The Glenn Beck Program - August 17, 2022


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Former Vice President and current House Speaker Liz Cheney joins Glenn Beck on The Glenn Beck Program to discuss her loss to Sen. Joe Manchin in Tuesday night's primary election, and why she's now running for president in 2020. Glenn and Stu also discuss why it's so sad that Liz Cheney is no longer running for President.

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00:00:00.000 Stu, it is just so good to always see you.
00:00:03.160 It is.
00:00:03.820 I mean, I just honored that you would be here
00:00:07.280 as part of this podcast today.
00:00:09.880 Man.
00:00:11.080 Man who has so much other things they could do
00:00:14.220 and for some reason just never does those things
00:00:17.040 and just keeps showing up here.
00:00:18.380 You know, and I feel about you
00:00:20.180 kind of the way the Wyoming voters feel about Liz Cheney.
00:00:24.120 That's my destination.
00:00:26.000 Really? You want me to be president of the United States?
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00:02:16.660 So, Stu, I think we have to start with the audio of Lynn Chaney.
00:02:22.720 Or, sorry, Liz Chaney in her speech last night.
00:02:28.800 Unfortunately, it wasn't a victory speech.
00:02:32.520 But she's going to go on.
00:02:34.580 Listen, here she is. 0.96
00:02:35.840 The great and original champion of our party, Abraham Lincoln,
00:02:40.560 was defeated in elections for the Senate and the House
00:02:43.880 before he won the most important election of all.
00:02:47.880 Lincoln ultimately prevailed.
00:02:49.440 He saved our union.
00:02:51.580 And he defined our obligation as Americans for all of history.
00:02:55.700 I think she just compared herself to Abraham Lincoln.
00:03:01.580 I'm not sure what her point was there other than,
00:03:06.060 and I'm like Abraham Lincoln.
00:03:08.100 And so I'm launching my presidential campaign.
00:03:10.800 I mean, I don't know what she was doing.
00:03:12.540 And, you know, in all honesty, she has a lot in Abraham Lincoln.
00:03:17.040 Imagine Abraham Lincoln without the beard.
00:03:19.680 And now, Chaney.
00:03:23.140 You see it?
00:03:24.920 You see it?
00:03:28.520 Not particularly, no.
00:03:30.540 I can't say that I do, no.
00:03:32.560 You're right.
00:03:33.080 That's mean.
00:03:33.700 It's just the wart that is the same.
00:03:37.020 But anyway, so I'm kind of sad, Stu.
00:03:42.260 We don't have old Liz Cheney to kick around anymore. 1.00
00:03:48.260 Darn it.
00:03:49.260 Yeah.
00:03:49.580 You know, it was an interesting approach.
00:03:51.500 And one of the strangest elections probably of all time.
00:03:56.500 As we kind of noted a little bit yesterday,
00:03:59.040 you know, Liz Cheney voted for Donald Trump in 2020. 1.00
00:04:02.760 People forget this.
00:04:04.160 She voted for Donald Trump in 2020.
00:04:07.560 She was then obviously turned against him and said the stuff that he did after the election she didn't like.
00:04:14.440 But then survived a Republican leadership vote after all of this.
00:04:18.420 And then still kept talking about it.
00:04:20.120 And then eventually was thrown out of leadership and has become the enemy.
00:04:23.120 And was defeated handily by an opponent who Glenn was so anti-Trump in 2016
00:04:33.320 that she was among the people organizing the overturning of the primary on the convention floor in 2016
00:04:41.600 to get Ted Cruz to be the candidate instead of Trump.
00:04:44.960 And she's come so far the other way that she's now the pro-Trump candidate. 0.97
00:04:50.280 And Cheney, who voted for Trump in 2020, is now the anti-Trump candidate and lost by 40 points.
00:04:56.260 It is like all of our beds are on the edge of a wormhole.
00:05:01.320 And every day we get out of bed, we put our feet on the floor,
00:05:05.280 and we just like, it's like a water slide.
00:05:08.220 Shroom! 0.99
00:05:08.740 We're into another America that is kind of like the one we were in yesterday. 0.54
00:05:13.320 Yeah.
00:05:13.700 I can't keep track of it.
00:05:14.880 It's so weird.
00:05:15.700 And, you know, so the final was 66 to 29, basically.
00:05:19.160 About what I think people expected going into this.
00:05:21.860 There were some crossover votes from Democrats, but again, not enough of them in Wyoming
00:05:26.800 to make any particular difference.
00:05:30.040 And so it was a blowout.
00:05:32.880 Cheney is already on to her next thing.
00:05:35.620 As we said yesterday, you could tell it was a blowout because of the way the media was covering it.
00:05:39.520 It was talking about how she's got more to her than this.
00:05:42.320 This is just one bump in the road of a longer journey.
00:05:45.860 And she leaked this to every single reporter in the mainstream media to tell that, you know,
00:05:52.700 look, this isn't a big deal.
00:05:54.040 She doesn't care about this.
00:05:55.020 It's the next thing that's the big deal.
00:05:56.920 I did think it was a little much when she started singing, my heart will go on.
00:06:04.260 It's true.
00:06:05.280 You know, she is trying to make herself into this. 1.00
00:06:09.000 This is a martyr type of period here for her, I suppose.
00:06:12.420 Yeah.
00:06:12.880 And it's a strange one.
00:06:14.840 You know, I was talking to someone who follows politics, but not like super closely.
00:06:18.840 And he's just like, look, you know, I don't know anything about Liz Cheney other than she
00:06:24.360 doesn't like Trump, you know?
00:06:26.200 And it's like, this is her problem here.
00:06:29.020 It's not that you can't disagree with Trump.
00:06:31.160 It's not like you can't have your own opinion.
00:06:33.260 But when you dedicate your entire life to be obsessed with one individual, this is you're
00:06:38.680 going to be defined as to how people in your state feel about that individual.
00:06:42.420 And when it comes to Donald Trump, people in Wyoming like him quite a bit.
00:06:46.080 Yeah.
00:06:46.340 You know, here's the amazing thing is my problem with her is, like you said, she was all in
00:06:57.100 in 2020.
00:06:59.700 Okay.
00:07:00.120 She was all in in 2020.
00:07:02.440 And then he does his thing on January 6th, which he didn't cause, he didn't do any, but
00:07:08.560 I didn't like the way he acted on January 6th.
00:07:11.660 I just thought, like, hey, Mr. President, get on TV right now and say stop.
00:07:15.360 Um, and, and, you know, on the day I was really, really pissed and I'm like, what are you doing?
00:07:22.600 And, uh, and then I kind of got over it, you know, you know what I mean?
00:07:28.660 Uh, he wasn't responsible, uh, so I kind of went, I didn't like that, but I'm not going
00:07:36.880 to dedicate my life to destroying him because that's kind of a, I don't know, psychotic break.
00:07:45.060 Uh, it, it might be a little manic in its approach to life.
00:07:50.840 It's like going to, going someplace where you've had, you know, good meals and you've
00:07:54.920 recommended the place and then you have one meal that's cold and you set out to destroy
00:08:01.640 it.
00:08:01.820 I want their license revoked.
00:08:03.680 I want them out of business.
00:08:05.220 I want to burn their business down and I want to piss on their ashes.
00:08:09.220 That's really what it's like.
00:08:11.260 Yeah, it's weird.
00:08:12.380 I mean, look, I think we've certainly asked for, uh, for this over the years, politicians
00:08:16.980 who believe in something that's not popular to stand up for it.
00:08:19.740 I have no problem embracing that general, uh, vibe and that, and I, you know, a lot of
00:08:24.760 people are saying, you know, I don't know.
00:08:26.700 I think she genuinely seems to believe this now.
00:08:30.280 I don't know what, it's hard to understand that from someone who voted for the guy, right?
00:08:35.220 Like, you know, it's one thing if you really thought he was a terrible president for four
00:08:38.800 years and then you say, okay, this is the, this is pushing me over the edge.
00:08:42.660 I have to stop him in any way possible.
00:08:44.360 You're someone who wanted four more years of this guy, right?
00:08:47.120 Up until the actual election, right?
00:08:49.880 No, I think, I don't think she is.
00:08:52.060 I think she is someone who held her nose and said all the right things.
00:08:57.840 And at the first opportunity to knife him, she did.
00:09:01.660 I, I, I really, you cannot make it psychotic, Stu.
00:09:06.280 Yeah.
00:09:06.520 That's a psychotic swing.
00:09:08.800 It really is.
00:09:09.640 It really is.
00:09:10.200 But it was a big event, right?
00:09:12.580 I mean, there's certainly no, it did change some people's minds, I suppose.
00:09:17.260 But I mean, I think overall, when you, when you look at it, it's, it's like, I don't think
00:09:21.600 she did this because she thought it was going to help her win this election.
00:09:24.200 I think she had to have known going into this, this would have made her political life more
00:09:28.360 difficult.
00:09:29.000 So if she really believes it, let her go out and do this.
00:09:31.720 But along with that comes the consequences from voters and voters don't agree with you.
00:09:36.580 You know, the Republican voters in Wyoming, I think what you're doing is, you know, completely
00:09:41.480 wrong and they sent a massive message.
00:09:43.760 The turnout was huge yesterday.
00:09:46.000 But I think, Stu, I mean, think of this strategically.
00:09:50.080 I think a humiliating and devastating loss puts you right where you need to be to launch
00:09:58.040 a presidential campaign.
00:09:59.520 Don't you think?
00:10:00.300 Don't you think?
00:10:00.840 Let me ask Beto O'Rourke.
00:10:02.040 Hold on one second.
00:10:02.880 I'll get him on the phone.
00:10:03.900 I know.
00:10:05.740 Beto's like, there's somebody out there who gets it.
00:10:09.660 Hold on.
00:10:10.280 Stacey Abrams.
00:10:10.980 She's online, too.
00:10:14.220 No, it's true.
00:10:15.440 It doesn't make I don't like the bigger thing here is what is the constituency for a Liz 0.92
00:10:20.680 Cheney presidency?
00:10:22.000 She basically runs the state of Wyoming and her family runs the state of Wyoming and she 0.99
00:10:26.880 got twenty nine percent of the vote there.
00:10:28.760 So what what is the constituency other than the possibility of her running as an independent 0.77
00:10:34.800 candidate to shave votes from Donald Trump?
00:10:39.640 And what?
00:10:40.120 Give the presidency to Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or Gavin Newsom or whoever else is running.
00:10:45.240 I mean, if that's the strategy, which I don't see what the alternative is there.
00:10:49.640 I don't think that there's any I don't think there's any other path for her to make an impact.
00:10:54.020 But, you know, that's that's a strategy that does not support someone who does have a relatively
00:11:00.040 conservative voting record.
00:11:01.560 She's going to be brave and she's going to take that stage with Donald Trump.
00:11:06.900 And as he's there, that's she's going to she's going to be the one that takes him on and
00:11:13.540 she will last all of about forty five seconds. 0.92
00:11:18.140 OK, she will.
00:11:19.780 He will pummel her.
00:11:23.000 Oh, that'll be ugly.
00:11:23.760 Done it to every single person.
00:11:28.120 He'll pummel her. 0.95
00:11:29.000 He'll pummel her. 0.95
00:11:30.220 And then she'll really be set up for a presidential run. 1.00
00:11:34.180 I mean, there's no, by the way, audience for this is not how you would win a primary.
00:11:39.860 There's no one that's going to come in to the Republican primary and take a stance like
00:11:43.900 Liz Cheney is taking and you can take a stance and say, hey, I'm different than Donald Trump 1.00
00:11:49.680 in this these ways.
00:11:51.020 I don't like the way he did X, Y and Z.
00:11:52.980 But to come in and just say this man is Satan is not there's no way to win a primary doing that.
00:11:57.880 No.
00:11:58.620 So here's here's where I think I could have tolerated.
00:12:03.460 I could have tolerated and maybe the people of Wyoming would have as well.
00:12:07.800 I don't know.
00:12:08.480 I don't you know, I don't live in Wyoming.
00:12:10.960 But I think if you had if you were with Donald Trump and then you, you know, something happened
00:12:19.860 on January 6th and you're like, OK, that was really bad.
00:12:23.520 You'd handle it like everybody that I know who is was a Donald Trump supporter or is a
00:12:29.860 Donald Trump supporter.
00:12:30.940 They were really angry that day.
00:12:33.480 And now they're to the point of I didn't like how he handled January 6th.
00:12:38.480 I just don't like it.
00:12:39.860 It really bothered me.
00:12:41.300 And it still bothers me.
00:12:43.260 But, you know, he's you know, it's Donald Trump and he's going to do what he does.
00:12:49.060 And, you know, while it bothers me, he either is the candidate or isn't the candidate for
00:12:55.340 me.
00:12:55.920 And if he if they would have said, look, if she would have said, look, I was for Donald
00:13:00.140 Trump.
00:13:00.400 I was with him the whole time and and I love him, just loved him.
00:13:05.780 But then instead of going psycho over it, I decided just to come out and say, guys, I
00:13:12.840 not sure if he is the guy for the next election.
00:13:16.180 He was great in the time, but he may not be the right guy because, you know, he's he's
00:13:22.920 he's stirs it up every time.
00:13:26.840 And we need somebody a little more calm than Donald Trump.
00:13:31.440 And, you know, he stirs it up and I don't know, but it should be left up to the people.
00:13:36.920 Is this the is this what is this the best way to defeat this socialism, a socialist Marxism?
00:13:44.440 It might be.
00:13:45.640 But I think maybe, you know, Ron DeSantis would be better.
00:13:50.680 OK, I think those conversations are happening, but those conversations are not, you know,
00:13:56.620 I really, really liked him.
00:13:58.780 Now he's got to be destroyed.
00:14:00.660 Right.
00:14:01.940 Right.
00:14:02.720 Yeah, no, it's true.
00:14:03.760 It's interesting because, you know, obviously we do have a lot of guests that come on the
00:14:08.200 show on Studios America.
00:14:09.600 I go on other podcasts all the time.
00:14:11.600 And one of I think the most I'm always interested to ask guests and people who are other hosts,
00:14:18.440 commentators in the conservative world.
00:14:20.860 Who do you want? 0.96
00:14:22.000 Who do you want? 0.96
00:14:22.560 And and I I'm mostly interested to ask people who are Trump supporters, people who love Donald
00:14:27.580 Trump, who are with him the whole time, who would walk through a wall of fire to vote for
00:14:31.680 this guy in 2020.
00:14:33.360 What do you want in 2024?
00:14:35.220 Who would you prefer?
00:14:36.060 Do you want Trump to run again?
00:14:37.200 Do you want it to be someone like DeSantis?
00:14:39.360 And and all of these people that I've asked have been if Trump is the nominee, I'm 100 percent
00:14:45.660 on board.
00:14:46.240 Right.
00:14:46.680 Like there's no there's they're totally on that on that realm.
00:14:49.720 But I would say the answers have been about 50 50, about 50 percent want Trump to run that.
00:14:55.420 He's the guy.
00:14:56.020 He's the only guy for this time period.
00:14:57.440 About 50 percent of it's like, look, I love Trump.
00:15:00.020 He's the best.
00:15:00.800 If he's the nominee.
00:15:01.740 Great.
00:15:02.140 Fine.
00:15:02.400 I'm fine with it.
00:15:03.300 But like, honestly, if I had a preference, I'd rather have someone like DeSantis because
00:15:07.920 I don't there's too much baggage already built into that package.
00:15:11.320 And it's not a slam on Donald Trump.
00:15:15.320 And I don't know the people like Lynn Cheney.
00:15:17.820 I do know people.
00:15:19.200 I mean, I was here in in Utah.
00:15:22.060 I'm in Salt Lake City.
00:15:24.080 I did a speech last night on ESG.
00:15:27.560 I'll tell you about that.
00:15:28.400 There's some ESG news today.
00:15:30.760 But I'm I'm here and I talked to some some real heavy Republican heavy hitters and they
00:15:37.820 all said the same thing.
00:15:39.060 They were all like, look, I'm I'm all in.
00:15:41.040 I'd even raise money for Donald Trump.
00:15:43.720 And I have and I will.
00:15:46.160 But if he would not run, I think that might be a better path because the temperature would
00:15:53.700 be lowered.
00:15:54.760 And I just I just wish we could lower the temperature on things.
00:15:59.920 And then they always followed up with.
00:16:02.740 But if he runs, I'm 100 percent in.
00:16:06.640 It's it's this weird thing that the Lynn Cheney thing doesn't exist.
00:16:12.860 Liz, I really don't think it exists.
00:16:15.140 I mean, it's probably Lynn, too.
00:16:16.340 I think they have the same feelings on the issue.
00:16:18.000 But I think I'm talking about this.
00:16:19.420 Yeah, but you don't think that Dick has the same feelings, do you?
00:16:24.160 I do believe he got a commercial for her on that front.
00:16:28.220 I know it's shocking.
00:16:29.380 You know, it's interesting, too.
00:16:30.440 You have basically the last two eras of Republican politics on the ballot last night in a way.
00:16:37.600 Right.
00:16:37.860 With Liz Cheney, kind of continuing the Bush Cheney vibe. 0.90
00:16:41.040 And then Sarah Palin, who kind of came up during that Tea Party era and, you know, sort 0.73
00:16:47.680 of converted more to maybe a more MAGA character if you want to separate those two movements.
00:16:53.120 But still, an interesting thing last night.
00:16:56.440 And she, you know, the way the Alaska election works, we're not going to know who wins that 1.00
00:17:00.700 for a while.
00:17:01.340 But it's kind of interesting to see.
00:17:03.400 She is going to be on the ballot.
00:17:04.380 Yeah, well, here's the, well, you know, most likely.
00:17:09.960 Here's the last word.
00:17:12.480 What was at stake last night was, are we going to go back to the Bush kind of Republicans?
00:17:19.940 Are we going to stick with the, you know, the tried and true, gosh, we're going to compromise
00:17:26.760 and work together on this and we'll always lose every compromise?
00:17:31.680 Or are we charting a new course?
00:17:35.020 And I think most voters last night, at least in Wyoming, were like, I don't want this anymore.
00:17:42.240 I'm tired of the kind of George Bush approach to globalism and America.
00:17:49.340 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.
00:18:01.300 So tonight on the Wednesday night special, I'm going to show you proof that America's
00:18:07.060 heritage is not white Christian nationalism.
00:18:11.340 And this is so important for you to understand, because they are setting a giant trap for a lot
00:18:19.600 of America.
00:18:20.600 You know, they signed the inflation reduction bill.
00:18:24.240 In fact, do we have that audio we just played on the spokesperson at the White House?
00:18:31.120 Not really able to, really able to explain why they called it the inflation reduction bill.
00:18:38.380 Here it is.
00:18:38.740 But if you passed a bill called the Fill Every Pothole Act, I mean, voters should expect you
00:18:42.660 to fill every pothole.
00:18:43.660 I mean, so should voters measure the success of this bill on how much you reduce inflation
00:18:48.520 in the next couple of years?
00:18:50.160 So this bill spins out over several years.
00:18:53.620 And so the tax provisions, for example, some of the tax revenue will happen immediately.
00:18:57.740 Some of the benefits in terms of deficit reduction will materialize over time.
00:19:01.760 So again, this is really an investment in our economy.
00:19:05.500 It represents the president's economic vision for transitioning to an economy that works
00:19:10.020 better for American families by generating the kind of growth that's based on stable,
00:19:15.600 steady productivity gains in the language of economists.
00:19:19.280 So that kind of growth that we know we need to be making in order to ensure that we continue
00:19:24.500 progressing for the decades to come.
00:19:27.240 Yeah.
00:19:27.380 And a name is just a name.
00:19:28.440 But there are definitely a lot of other names.
00:19:29.800 You could have named this bill.
00:19:32.620 We just lied.
00:19:34.260 It's so funny how you lied to the American people.
00:19:37.680 You lied and you raped us and you left us for dead. 0.99
00:19:42.360 Oh, that is funny.
00:19:44.280 Oh, that's so funny.
00:19:45.640 How you took a problem that's affecting real people and ruining their financial lives and
00:19:50.540 you acted like you were addressing it.
00:19:52.380 You put a sign on the door that said safe space and we all went in and there were killers
00:19:58.980 and rapists in the room.
00:20:00.720 That is funny that you put safe space on the door.
00:20:03.640 What a joy you are.
00:20:06.360 Oh, my gosh.
00:20:07.520 These people are evil.
00:20:08.620 Anyway, the CBO came out yesterday and they were talking about how it's not going to reduce
00:20:14.240 inflation.
00:20:14.880 It's not going to reduce the deficit.
00:20:17.600 In fact, it's going to add to the deficit.
00:20:19.640 It's not going to help the GDP.
00:20:21.260 In fact, it's going to hurt the GDP.
00:20:23.860 Oh, and we'll raise taxes on the middle class as they would not do. 0.95
00:20:29.300 Yeah.
00:20:29.440 The whole IRS thing.
00:20:31.320 Yeah, that's yeah, that is coming out.
00:20:35.120 They're going to come after you because they have to.
00:20:37.600 This is what the CBO said yesterday.
00:20:40.160 Thank you for the timely update.
00:20:42.620 And by the way, the CBO is known for making things look better than they actually become.
00:20:49.160 So that fills me with we're in for a hellscape.
00:20:53.200 I will say, Glenn, I did hear some pretty important things about the IRS.
00:20:58.800 And this is important because they said before.
00:21:01.420 I don't know if you've ever called the IRS before, which I'm sure you have.
00:21:05.640 Oh, yeah.
00:21:05.820 No, I called them back in 1986.
00:21:07.680 I'm still on hold, but they're going to pick up any time.
00:21:10.120 Well, that was the big selling point of this bill.
00:21:12.000 They said because they're hiring 80,000 new employees, someone might answer the phone when you call.
00:21:18.660 Well, that is fantastic.
00:21:20.240 And you know what's really great is they're going to be so efficient.
00:21:23.860 You're not even going to have to call them.
00:21:26.200 They'll call and come visit you.
00:21:28.180 Anyway, this is all about the the the United States government has a no, I shouldn't say that the United States president.
00:21:40.400 The administration includes the Department of Education, Agriculture, Commerce, all of it.
00:21:47.080 They all have they all have private armies.
00:21:51.560 Let me ask you, why does the Department of Agriculture have armed officers?
00:22:00.640 I mean, sure, sure.
00:22:02.760 I mean, the the very well-known wars that go between the corn farmers and the Amish, you know, when they when they get their extremist yogurt feud going on with the Amish,
00:22:16.220 there's nothing that will quell that other than the United States Department of Agriculture Army.
00:22:24.020 They are developing things and they are putting you into the extremist position.
00:22:30.080 Look, over in Europe, they're they're already forcing the farmers to live on these ESG rules, which are, by the way, completely nonsensical.
00:22:40.860 That is not that's not even happening.
00:22:43.560 This is a conspiracy theory.
00:22:45.480 These aren't the droids you're looking for.
00:22:48.920 They're already protesting and the farmers are being called the extremists.
00:22:54.480 Have you forgotten who grows your food?
00:22:57.360 Grows food?
00:22:58.660 No, I get my food from the supermarket.
00:23:01.000 Oh, OK, then don't worry about the farmers.
00:23:03.900 They are targeting anyone who disagrees with them as an extremist.
00:23:08.540 And this is why the special tonight on the blaze TV is so important.
00:23:13.740 You have to understand what is coming for you as a Christian.
00:23:20.960 Now, as somebody who is in a faith, that's not the most popular.
00:23:30.860 I will tell you, you're going to look at these days, if you were, let's say, a Mormon or a Jehovah Witness, you're going to look at these times for those for those people as those days don't come back.
00:23:53.300 I mean, it's not going to be easy to be a Christian soon.
00:23:58.520 And it all starts with white Christian nationalism.
00:24:03.800 They are making Christians into extremists. 1.00
00:24:08.340 And they are lying about our faith.
00:24:11.680 Christians are the next one in line. 1.00
00:24:15.320 And your faith is now on trial.
00:24:17.900 But it's a kangaroo court.
00:24:20.740 They're not calling any witnesses on the other side.
00:24:23.260 They're calling witnesses that agree with them.
00:24:25.760 It is so misleading and so dangerous.
00:24:28.920 You need to understand how they are painting Christianity in America.
00:24:34.080 That's what we're going to do tonight.
00:24:35.600 Show you where this all breaks down.
00:24:38.260 Give you the rebuttals to these things so you can share them with your friend.
00:24:42.780 And I didn't say friends.
00:24:45.100 I did say share it with your friend because if you're actually a Christian today and you're willing to stand up with it, stand up for it, you probably have one friend.
00:24:53.360 But you need to be able to answer and tell your friends and have them share with others.
00:25:03.700 This is an amateur smear campaign, but it is going to be relentless.
00:25:09.140 CNN came out with an article last week.
00:25:11.420 We're going to debunk that tonight.
00:25:13.200 And also, look at this one.
00:25:15.600 Catholics weaponized the rosary from the Atlantic. 0.95
00:25:21.620 The AR-15 is a sacred object among Christian nationalists.
00:25:27.960 Now, you would ask yourself, what is a Christian nationalist?
00:25:31.680 Stu, if I asked you this, I said, what is a Christian nationalist?
00:25:36.360 What would you say?
00:25:37.240 A Republican.
00:25:39.420 Okay.
00:25:40.260 Okay.
00:25:40.640 Wow, the brainwashing has worked even on you.
00:25:43.420 What would you – honestly, what would you say a Christian nationalist is?
00:25:47.100 There's a vision of a Christian nationalist that basically is an idea of an America that is built on Christian principles but is closer really to a theocracy and is exclusionary toward other faiths.
00:26:05.700 Other races usually is included in that as well.
00:26:09.900 Can you give me a country in history that might be labeled a Christian nationalist country?
00:26:17.360 Not labeled.
00:26:18.360 Not actually one, but one labeled that.
00:26:21.340 An example that was named – I mean, certainly they like to say that about Hitler back in the day.
00:26:28.900 Germany, of course, it was completely ridiculous. 0.97
00:26:32.100 We've covered that many times.
00:26:33.820 We don't need to go back into it.
00:26:34.860 But Hitler, not a Christian, not a fan of Christianity, wanted to end all of the churches, was literally outspoken throughout his not only commentary with close advisors, but admitted much of this publicly that this was a long-term goal of fascism. 0.55
00:26:55.960 To wipe it out.
00:26:56.840 But let's call it Christian nationalism anyway, I think is the approach of the media.
00:27:02.320 So Christian nationalism, they've defined this, and you'll find out all of this tonight at Blaze TV.
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00:28:42.380 So tonight we're going to be talking about this.
00:28:45.080 And you need to arm yourself with it.
00:28:47.320 But let me continue with this from The Atlantic.
00:28:50.260 The AR-15 is a sacred object among Christian nationalists.
00:28:54.260 Is it?
00:28:55.240 Now the radical traditional Catholics are bringing a sacrament of their own to the movement.
00:29:04.420 On this extremist fringe, rosary beads have been woven into a conspiratorial politics and an absolutist gun culture.
00:29:16.240 You know, I have to tell you, I can remember Sister Siobhan and Sister Uno and Sister Julie.
00:29:23.300 As they would be whispering the rosary on their knees, I remember walking in to the church as a kid.
00:29:31.400 And the candles and the smell of the church and the incense.
00:29:34.720 And they were there.
00:29:36.140 And you could just barely hear them.
00:29:37.660 And I'd walk up behind them because I didn't want to disturb them.
00:29:40.880 But then one of them would hear me.
00:29:42.500 And they were surprised.
00:29:43.660 And all I heard was, and they took their ARs out.
00:29:47.720 And they're like, stand down.
00:29:49.660 Stand down.
00:29:50.720 And I was like, oh, my gosh.
00:29:51.820 I'm sorry.
00:29:52.260 I'm sorry, Sister.
00:29:52.880 I'm sorry.
00:29:53.860 I didn't know.
00:29:56.600 Oh, they're so radical, those rosary people. 1.00
00:29:59.720 The armed radical traditionals have taken a spiritual notion that the rosary can be a weapon in the fight against evil.
00:30:08.320 Now, this is a new thing?
00:30:12.380 Because I'm pretty sure.
00:30:15.700 I mean, maybe it's just me.
00:30:17.940 I was raised Catholic.
00:30:19.340 Like, I always thought the rosary and doing things like praying was a weapon in the fight against evil.
00:30:32.280 Yes, but now they're taking it literally.
00:30:34.280 Mm-hmm.
00:30:35.540 Mm-hmm.
00:30:37.320 It's a garrote.
00:30:38.460 That's what it really is.
00:30:39.840 I've seen him.
00:30:40.580 I've seen him before.
00:30:42.100 Jason Bourne.
00:30:43.000 I mean, they've changed it, you know, from reality.
00:30:45.660 But the real Jason Bourne, when he goes and he chokes people out, he uses a rosary.
00:30:51.580 Now, what do you think the Pope is doing?
00:30:53.140 When he has to kill people, he uses a rosary.
00:30:57.040 Anyway, social media pages are saturated with images of rosaries draped over firearms.
00:31:04.240 How many times have you seen that?
00:31:07.500 Oh, I hate that.
00:31:08.440 This is the thing they do now to show a movement when they can't find one.
00:31:12.200 Like, the other day, they were saying, after the raid on the Mar-a-Lago residence of Donald Trump, they said the words Civil War were being tweeted once a minute.
00:31:29.020 Now, there are 400 million people on Twitter.
00:31:33.440 You're getting one tweet every 60 seconds.
00:31:37.080 This is not a news story, okay?
00:31:39.580 Any combination of words is being tweeted once a minute on Twitter.
00:31:45.140 Not hot cheerleader.
00:31:47.260 No, yeah, you couldn't find any.
00:31:48.720 That's not me.
00:31:49.800 Nope, not happening.
00:31:51.580 It's so ridiculous, but this is what they want to do.
00:31:53.900 All right.
00:31:54.560 So, here's something, and I just want to point this out.
00:31:58.560 If you are a non-traditional Catholic theologian, so you're for this new, more open, progressive,
00:32:08.640 hey, everybody can be whoever they want to be, and we should marry everyone and everything else.
00:32:16.100 You should not be written about, and you might want to reconsider your name.
00:32:22.580 The theologian Massimo Fagoli has described a network of conservative Catholic bloggers and commentary organizations as the Catholic cyber militia
00:32:39.260 that actively campaigns against LGBTQ and the acceptance of them in the church.
00:32:46.160 These rad trad, this is a new word, rad trad, they're radical traditionalists.
00:32:55.620 These rad trad rosary as a weapon memes represent a social media diffusion of such messaging,
00:33:02.580 and they work to integrate ultra-conservative Catholicism and other aspects of online far-right culture.
00:33:09.980 The rosary in these hands is anything but holy, says Mr. Fagoli.
00:33:16.460 Wow, it's like Dr. Seuss.
00:33:18.740 But for millions of believers, the beads, which provide for a sequence of devotional prayers
00:33:26.460 that have been always traditionally looked at as a source of strength,
00:33:32.880 now take on a new meaning.
00:33:38.920 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.
00:33:41.360 Noah Rothman, a guy who I think really gets it.
00:33:52.820 He has just written the book, The Rise of the New Puritans, The War on Fun.
00:34:00.660 Really?
00:34:01.820 Noah, welcome to the program.
00:34:02.940 How are you, sir?
00:34:04.400 Very well.
00:34:05.140 Thank you so much for having me.
00:34:06.080 I appreciate it.
00:34:06.880 You bet.
00:34:07.420 You bet.
00:34:07.720 So, Stu and I are in the midst of reading your book.
00:34:11.400 We haven't got it all the way to the end yet.
00:34:13.780 But I have to ask you, do progressives know that they're almost embarrassingly unfun right now?
00:34:25.700 Do they know this?
00:34:28.460 No, they absolutely don't.
00:34:30.400 They would reject the premise, and they sort of recoil at the assertion
00:34:35.600 that they're pursuing some sort of a moral framework,
00:34:38.180 that they have imposed this moral framework on every aspect of life,
00:34:42.960 especially the apolitical aspects of life.
00:34:45.320 They don't see themselves as less fun, less chill, less accommodating
00:34:51.440 than their parents and grandparents, but they most certainly are.
00:34:55.440 They're having less fun.
00:34:56.500 They're having less sex.
00:34:58.000 They're enjoying life less than their elders.
00:35:02.040 They're having less sex?
00:35:03.620 Oh, yeah.
00:35:05.080 You haven't gotten to that chapter?
00:35:06.160 That's a good one.
00:35:07.160 No.
00:35:08.180 So that is my very salacious chapter on sex and booze.
00:35:12.440 It's titled Temperance.
00:35:13.940 All the chapters are organized around unimpeachable moral values
00:35:17.280 because they are pursuing a moral ideal about how society should organize itself.
00:35:22.840 So when you think of progressives, you don't think they have sexual prescriptions, right?
00:35:27.700 But if you dig into the literature around the many proliferating sexual identities,
00:35:31.980 it's not about self-gratification or self-fulfillment.
00:35:35.340 It's about the political program associated with these things.
00:35:39.280 This has to pursue and advance a political agenda.
00:35:43.020 You couple that with the labyrinthine consent requirements now in statute in places like California,
00:35:49.720 but mostly in norms and college campuses.
00:35:51.640 And you have this unnavigable labyrinth that has been erected around consent,
00:35:57.880 which is absent consent is obviously a crime.
00:36:00.580 But we've created now real legal and moral and social consequences.
00:36:05.580 If a cue is misread or a signal is overlooked or it's just human behavior intervenes in this process,
00:36:12.020 this complicated process, the result is less sex.
00:36:15.740 People are reporting, especially young people are reporting,
00:36:17.720 having much less casual intercourse than their parents did.
00:36:21.640 Okay, I have to tell you, first of all, it is a religion.
00:36:25.860 What they're doing is a religion. 0.59
00:36:27.420 So you've got Puritans absolutely right. 1.00
00:36:30.480 And they are imposing it on all of us.
00:36:32.700 But I look at people who are like this and I think to myself,
00:36:36.700 how could you not be just miserable?
00:36:41.920 If you believe all the things that they believe,
00:36:45.600 it's just a life of misery.
00:36:48.180 Yeah, they don't see themselves as miserable,
00:36:51.160 but they are making their compatriots miserable.
00:36:54.360 Maybe nine out of the ten people I spoke with are who would,
00:36:58.500 most of them wouldn't go on the record for fear of consequences,
00:37:00.900 saying the things that they actually think.
00:37:02.820 Which is weird.
00:37:05.460 Yeah, well, I mean, there are real social and professional consequences
00:37:09.080 for going against this movement.
00:37:10.460 It's not a big movement, but it punches way above its weight.
00:37:12.600 And so these guys are Democrats.
00:37:15.320 They vote Democratic.
00:37:16.440 They wouldn't vote Republican with a gun to their head.
00:37:18.300 But they didn't get into the business of making delicious food
00:37:22.440 and writing screenplays and broadcasting sports
00:37:25.500 because they wanted to do politics.
00:37:27.320 They don't.
00:37:28.340 They've just been drafted into this movement.
00:37:30.540 And it's sapping them of enthusiasm for their life's work.
00:37:33.240 And they really, really resent it.
00:37:35.880 Noah, can you go through some of these?
00:37:36.780 You have so many great examples in the book of this type of thing.
00:37:39.800 The hummus place is one.
00:37:42.620 I'd like to hear about the burrito truck.
00:37:44.340 Tell about the burrito truck.
00:37:47.980 A truck that was in the Pacific Northwest.
00:37:51.120 These two women went down to Mexico, fell in love with the food,
00:37:55.700 interviewed chefs, picked up some recipes,
00:37:58.000 brought it back to the Pacific Northwest.
00:37:59.540 And it was a profound success.
00:38:01.800 They were very commercially successful.
00:38:03.520 In fact, a lot of the people who are targeted by this movement are successful.
00:38:06.460 And I think that their success engenders quite a bit of resentment.
00:38:10.720 But they brought it back to the Pacific Northwest.
00:38:13.140 And the media environment down there,
00:38:15.300 which is beholden to this progressive set of ideas,
00:38:18.760 just went about destroying the thing
00:38:20.760 because they had stolen this heritage
00:38:24.040 from the hardworking people of Mexico.
00:38:27.760 They hadn't given them any credit.
00:38:29.000 They weren't giving them the proper remunerations they were due.
00:38:32.580 It's a very nebulous idea of what they violated,
00:38:36.240 what prescriptions they ignored.
00:38:39.060 But this thing was destroyed.
00:38:41.440 These two women were driven out of business. 1.00
00:38:43.640 And their burrito truck, which was feted, which was loved,
00:38:46.860 was driven out of business.
00:38:50.220 In part, I think also because it was so good.
00:38:52.800 But they had violated some unspoken, unwritten ideal
00:38:57.380 about whatever cultural appropriation is.
00:39:02.320 It's very difficult to define.
00:39:03.960 But it's believed to be some form of theft,
00:39:07.380 as though culture is a zero-sum game
00:39:10.220 and that it has been commodified in some way.
00:39:13.180 When I read that and I thought about it,
00:39:17.740 I had just seen the new Elvis movie.
00:39:20.140 Have you seen the new Elvis movie?
00:39:23.440 I haven't.
00:39:24.080 I heard it's good.
00:39:25.460 It's very, very good.
00:39:26.920 But it taught me something about Elvis I didn't know.
00:39:30.060 I didn't know that he was so poor after his dad died
00:39:33.420 that he and his mom lived in a black community in Memphis,
00:39:38.600 which never happened.
00:39:39.780 He was like the only white kid in this black community.
00:39:43.720 So he grew up in that culture.
00:39:46.200 He grew up with the music.
00:39:47.760 That's why he moved the way he did.
00:39:51.820 And at the time, the programmers of radio,
00:39:56.140 many of them would have loved to play the black music,
00:39:59.120 but they couldn't put a black man on the air.
00:40:01.860 And when they heard his music,
00:40:03.520 it was the black culture and black music sung by a white guy.
00:40:09.260 And, you know, it shows B.B. King and all of these legends
00:40:12.940 who were friends of his going, man, take it, take it.
00:40:16.680 I'm glad people are listening to it.
00:40:20.360 Now you would look at that and it would be cultural appropriation.
00:40:24.140 And they would hate, and I think they probably do,
00:40:26.540 hate Elvis and anybody like him because he was just stealing that.
00:40:31.960 No, he wasn't.
00:40:33.260 He was popularizing it.
00:40:35.540 He was breaking a barrier.
00:40:37.140 Yeah, popularizing it and creating synthesis.
00:40:42.060 And there is this idea abroad that synthesis in music and culture and cuisine
00:40:47.680 is some sort of form of theft.
00:40:51.320 There needs to be, there's a racial essentialist element that's put to this
00:40:55.480 that suggests that any creativity in creating works of art
00:41:00.640 and amalgamating and synthesizing various influences into some finished product
00:41:06.340 represents some form of attack on culture.
00:41:11.400 Even though what you just said is absolutely correct in art and food and in music,
00:41:15.940 you're exposing new audiences to this thing.
00:41:18.840 You're creating a broader understanding and acceptance of these cultural traits,
00:41:24.480 albeit perhaps amalgamated, not necessarily adulterated.
00:41:28.500 They confuse the two, probably deliberately.
00:41:31.280 But the expansion of and broadening of the exposure to these ideas,
00:41:37.060 these cultural traits, used to be something that we would celebrate and accept as an
00:41:42.260 unadulterated good.
00:41:43.880 I know there was a guy who I grew up listening to on the radio.
00:41:49.320 He was very, very good.
00:41:50.240 His name was Charlie Brown.
00:41:51.420 He was originally at KJR in Seattle and then Cube.
00:41:55.200 And I studied at his feet.
00:41:58.100 I was lucky enough to work with him when I was very, very young.
00:42:01.700 And I watched him and I talked to him.
00:42:04.040 When I started doing my own show, I called him up and I asked him,
00:42:07.660 Hey, Charlie, can I steal this and this and this from you?
00:42:11.340 And he just laughed and he said, and I think this is true with almost everything
00:42:16.560 because it's not, you're not living in a vacuum.
00:42:20.460 And he said, Glenn, you steal from me.
00:42:23.180 You've stolen twice.
00:42:24.880 And that's what we don't understand that it all is just kind of,
00:42:30.320 that's where you get your inspiration and you take it and you make it your own
00:42:34.000 and you move, not stealing things word for word, et cetera, et cetera.
00:42:37.320 Let me ask you, because I'm watching, I mean, I know your IQ is a lot higher than mine.
00:42:45.480 And I don't know if you're watching like The Marvelous Miss Maisel,
00:42:50.540 which I think is fantastic.
00:42:52.660 But it centers around this woman in the 1950s, early 1960s, who wants to be a comedian.
00:42:58.440 And one of the running characters is Lenny Bruce.
00:43:02.260 And Lenny Bruce would absolutely be in progressive jail right now if he lived today.
00:43:10.920 And you had all of these great comedians that were there to push back on the man,
00:43:18.100 whatever it was, they push back.
00:43:20.740 These people like Ricky Gervais make it, I think, because they don't apologize and they don't stop.
00:43:30.520 Can you talk a little bit about the effect of apology and what's happening in comedy?
00:43:39.960 Yeah, the very same sentiments, policing of public morality that took aim at Lenny Bruce,
00:43:47.180 at George Carlin, at Richard Pryor, are at work today.
00:43:50.900 The executors of this campaign are not on the right.
00:43:55.160 They used to be.
00:43:56.340 The tendency that saw something that would corrupt you and degrade society and innocent cultural affair
00:44:02.800 used to be a tendency native to the right, in part because we are all heirs to this puritanical tradition.
00:44:09.080 It has found a home in both political coalitions over the years.
00:44:11.740 But when it comes to comedy, one of the things that you see now among this particularly puritanically inclined progressive
00:44:18.740 is to emphasize the pain that someone had to endure in order for you to enjoy something as trite as a punchline.
00:44:28.080 You see this in the fans of the comedian Hannah Gadsby, who's an anti-comic and who is funny when she wants to be.
00:44:35.400 She doesn't always want to be.
00:44:37.000 And sometimes she will build the same tension that would otherwise lead to a punchline and give you that release 1.00
00:44:41.860 and doesn't break the tension, just lets you sit and marinate in it and absorb her pain
00:44:47.480 and then maybe interrogate you about that joke that she told five minutes ago
00:44:50.800 and ask you why you thought that was funny.
00:44:52.380 Why was my suffering funny?
00:44:53.900 And that's what they love so much.
00:44:56.020 They love the anguish.
00:44:57.500 They love the ardor because it is a sign of your prudent understanding that suffering exists in this world.
00:45:07.180 And if you don't dutifully dwell on it every second of your life,
00:45:11.120 you are sacrificing a moral mission to advance the progressive project
00:45:15.380 and make the human experience just a little bit more tolerable.
00:45:18.880 This is a very puritanical ideal.
00:45:20.200 No, I would love to do a podcast with you and spend at least an hour with you on this topic.
00:45:27.100 You've really nailed it.
00:45:29.480 The book is The Rise of the New Puritans.
00:45:32.100 Tell me about the apology.
00:45:35.520 So when we are often bombarded with demands that you apologize for your conduct,
00:45:41.040 the apology provides you no absolution.
00:45:43.520 And that's where I differ from a lot of the very brilliant scholars
00:45:49.760 who have called this a purely secular faith.
00:45:53.900 I don't see it as entirely a faith because in a faith in the Western tradition,
00:45:58.240 there is deism that expiates sin.
00:46:02.060 There can be no absolution for sin in this particular faith because there is no deism.
00:46:08.000 And because it is such an all-encompassing social code,
00:46:10.720 I liken it more to puritanism because puritanism wasn't just a faith.
00:46:15.140 It wasn't just congregationalism.
00:46:16.360 It was a way of life.
00:46:17.740 It was a totalitarian philosophy by definition because it was total.
00:46:22.340 When it comes to the apology, the apology, as we've all observed,
00:46:26.940 makes you just a more delicious target and trains more fire on you.
00:46:31.900 And this isn't just true in comedy.
00:46:33.960 There's several examples of that in the comedy chapter,
00:46:36.960 but there's a particularly interesting anecdote that I lead off the book with
00:46:40.780 about a grocery, a grocer in Minnesota that was, again, very popular, very successful.
00:46:49.820 It was vetted by Keith Ellison on the floor of the House of Representatives.
00:46:54.560 Diners, drive-ins, and dives, Guy Fieri featured it.
00:46:57.720 So it turned out that the owner of this grocer had a daughter who, in her youth,
00:47:02.340 14 and 18 respectively, made racially insensitive remarks online.
00:47:06.980 This was picked up by the online community that they attempted to force him to apologize
00:47:13.780 and to make absolution for his sins.
00:47:18.080 He had to fire his daughter.
00:47:20.400 That was not good enough.
00:47:22.620 He pledged that she would devote herself to good works for the community.
00:47:25.780 That was not good enough.
00:47:26.960 Eventually, the holder of his lease terminated the lease because that was the penitence that was deserving
00:47:35.400 of the sin he had committed, the careless parentage of a willful daughter.
00:47:41.740 And this is as moral a code as you can find.
00:47:44.920 It goes back to the founding of the country.
00:47:47.020 But when you are apologizing in any other tradition, you would find some absolution.
00:47:53.640 This particularly uncompromising tradition offers no absolution for offenses against it.
00:48:01.220 I will tell you you're right about this as a completely different—you don't call it a religion.
00:48:08.340 I do.
00:48:08.860 I just think it's an anti-Christ-style religion.
00:48:13.120 There is no forgiveness.
00:48:15.380 And without forgiveness, we cease to function normally as a society.
00:48:19.620 You just can't live in a society where there is no forgiveness, where you're held accountable
00:48:25.200 not only for everything you've ever done, but also anything your ancestors have done.
00:48:30.760 That's a pretty shallow pool of good people that can be swimming around.
00:48:38.660 Noah, thank you so much for being on the program today.
00:48:41.620 I'd love to have you back.
00:48:42.660 I'd love to do a podcast with you.
00:48:43.960 The book is The Rise of the New Puritans Fighting Against Progressives' War on Fun.
00:48:52.840 Noah Rothman is the author.