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00:00:00.000 Hey, welcome to the podcast. Today is really the hearings on the Hill, and we look at what Sondland said in real time, and the way the media is going to spin this, this is going to be a victory lap for them, and we explain why.

00:00:20.440 Now, on cross-examination, things also came out in the president's favor, but will the media discuss that at all? All that and more on today's podcast.

00:00:37.660 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:00:41.700 All right, the ambassador who is at the center of the inquiry has just taken a seat in Capitol Hill in front of the impeachment hearing and the intel committee, and they're about to ask him some questions.

00:01:01.300 Schiff has just sat down, and he's about to open those big, huge bug eyes. Can you imagine if he and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ever had a child?

00:01:11.900 The head would be just a giant eye.

00:01:16.620 Was it Cyclops has one eye? Is that what I'm thinking of?

00:01:19.640 Yeah, Cyclops is a third eye, I think, right?

00:01:22.480 Oh, Cyclops is a third eye. I'm thinking of, like, isn't there something on The Simpsons that's just one big eye?

00:01:26.900 No, one eye, yeah.

00:01:27.520 Yeah, whatever that thing is, that's what it would be.

00:01:29.200 Well, we could just say the baby would look like Mike from Monsters, Inc.

00:01:34.540 Yes, there you go. Perfect. Mike from Monsters, Inc. Exactly.

00:01:38.040 That is what I'm thinking about.

00:01:38.960 This is a big day. We've had a lot of, I don't know, a lot of things that you kind of would expect.

00:01:48.100 Sondland is the witness. This is the playoff game. Is it the Super Bowl? Maybe it's the Super Bowl. It's right there.

00:01:56.360 It's not the Super Bowl. It is the playoffs.

00:01:57.800 It's a high-stakes game. And here's the thing. Sondland is the, one of the big complaints that Republicans have is you keep giving us hearsay evidence.

00:02:07.560 None of these people have even talked to the president. Well, Sondland has talked to the president.

00:02:11.300 All the things that have come out that have been reported as these huge bombshell negatives for the president have all been through Sondland because Sondland was the guy that talked to the president.

00:02:21.480 He's the guy who was on the phone at this restaurant and all the people around apparently overheard it.

00:02:27.560 He's the guy that reportedly after the conversation said, you know, Trump doesn't care about Ukraine.

00:02:33.480 All he cares about is his own personal benefit with politics. So now Sondland has not said he's said any of those things.

00:02:41.380 He has revised his testimony a couple of times to move it more towards the evidence Democrats have presented.

00:02:49.860 So he came out and said, he's looking for his survival, I think one way or another.

00:02:55.160 Well, he's a guy who's not a political kind of guy and he's looking for his survival. 0.60

00:02:59.200 And if he was lying, he realized, oh crap, I'm in deep trouble. 0.83

00:03:03.020 Yeah. And they keep bringing up this, you know, the media keeps bringing up the same point, which is every time they bring one of these people up, this is a public servant. 0.89

00:03:09.720 This man has been worked for Republicans and Democrats. He's been in the State Department for 912 years.

00:03:14.840 And they bring this up as positive. Yeah, that's right.

00:03:18.720 Sondland is not that guy. Sondland was a was not a huge Trump fan initially, but came around to him in a big way and wound up donating over a million dollars to his inauguration campaign.

00:03:29.920 I mean, mega donor, as is the case with every administration, the mega donors wind up getting ambassadorships.

00:03:35.540 And so he's the the guy going to the EU.

00:03:37.840 I want to take Adam Schiff, because he's talking about the 2016 election in Ukraine, that it was a discredited conspiracy theory, that there was anything going on.

00:03:49.260 And who the president feared the most was Joe Biden.

00:03:53.840 And Sondland's about to say that that's all true.

00:03:56.420 In exchange for politically motivated investigations that Trump believed would help his reelection campaign.

00:04:04.040 The first investigation was of a discredited conspiracy theory that Ukraine, not Russia, was responsible for interfering in the 2016 election.

00:04:14.520 No, Adam, they can both be responsible.

00:04:16.220 The second investigation that Trump demanded into was into a political rival that he apparently feared most, Joe Biden.

00:04:25.420 Trump sought to weaken Biden and to refute the fact that his own election campaign in 2016 had been helped by a Russian hacking and dumping operation and Russian social media campaign directed by Vladimir Putin to help Trump.

00:04:38.580 Trump's scheme undermined military and diplomatic support deal with Adam Schiff's pacing.

00:04:45.700 It's really deliberate, slow and weird.

00:04:48.240 And then when he gets questions from other Republicans on the committee, he just stares straight forward like he's on some weird drug.

00:04:55.460 Right. You notice that? Yeah, it's really creepy.

00:04:57.740 Yeah, he might be on some weird drug.

00:04:59.880 Oh, OK, good.

00:05:00.780 Yeah.

00:05:00.880 A expletive about Ukraine.

00:05:03.340 You're expecting someone cares about explain him.

00:05:06.000 Even his mother's like, I have no idea.

00:05:08.440 He's been creepy weird ever since he was sitting at the dinner table in his high chair with those creepy eyes and that big forehead.

00:05:15.200 The president found himself increasingly embroiled in an effort to press the new Ukrainian president that deviated sharply from the norm in both terms of policy and process.

00:05:26.080 Interesting visual for radio listeners.

00:05:28.340 They're showing clips of Sondland as Schiff is reading this.

00:05:31.320 Sondland does not look.

00:05:34.600 He looks confident.

00:05:36.200 He looks confident.

00:05:37.180 He looks like this is a joke.

00:05:38.780 I know exactly what happened.

00:05:40.280 He looks like he's been smiling through this with Schiff.

00:05:43.420 He's projecting confidence.

00:05:44.620 Yeah, not not a I'm going to tell a big secret and I'm so sorry.

00:05:48.420 It's not that vibe, at least visually from Sondland.

00:05:50.900 And I want to.

00:05:52.620 I want to.

00:05:52.680 Someone at a goal of the White House meeting for President Zelensky, which the group deemed crucial for U.S.-Ukrainian relations or.

00:06:00.920 So as Schiff is blabbing here, can I give you a preview here of this opening statement?

00:06:04.800 There's some big, pretty big stuff in it.

00:06:07.640 They he goes through a series of about six points here at the beginning of it.

00:06:12.360 We've acquired the testimony here in advance.

00:06:16.440 And what's interesting here, probably the big takeaway is his fourth point here.

00:06:22.740 And he's going to go through this whole thing in just a couple of minutes, but we're going to give you a preview anyway.

00:06:27.900 He says, as I testified previously, this is when he changed his testimony.

00:06:31.360 Mr. Giuliani's requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit for President Zelensky.

00:06:37.620 Mr. Giuliani demanded that Ukraine make a public statement announcing investigations of the 2016 DNC server and Burisma.

00:06:44.980 Mr. Giuliani was expressing the desires of the president of the United States, and we knew that these investigations were important to the president.

00:06:52.740 So that is as clear an accusation.

00:06:56.460 That's the only one that really has any real first hand credibility on this.

00:07:01.740 And he's saying now, again, like you can say this is why we've made this point five thousand times.

00:07:08.380 You can't set the hurdle at quid pro quo.

00:07:11.000 It's a it's a dumb place to defend because there's tons of people who were all acting like it was a quid pro quo.

00:07:17.760 They all seem to have evidence and and and at least belief and testimony here. 0.98

00:07:22.740 That it happened. Now, Sondland is as close as we've been able to see from to the president that is saying, yes, that's what it was.

00:07:29.420 Again, Sondland is not just some guy. He's a huge supporter of the president.

00:07:34.540 So that is a as a big deal. And it points to, if nothing else, Glenn, and see if you agree with this, that Giuliani is going to be the focus of this.

00:07:44.300 These these these people who are in this situation who are on the borderline, like Sondland, who could get in trouble or could be the hero witness are going to push this, not necessarily to the president at the end, but towards Giuliani.

00:07:57.380 And if they can get Giuliani to take the blame for all of it, it may be a place where where the president and everybody else winds up being comfortable now that whether that works or not, I don't know.

00:08:09.600 It's a big question of whether the American people believe that.

00:08:12.100 And I think, you know, there's some evidence to believe that Giuliani does this type of thing, you know, on his own.

00:08:18.340 But they he says in his testimony that we knew we didn't think Giuliani was necessary for this process, but we did not think he was acting in bad faith.

00:08:26.320 We did not think he was trying to do something illicit.

00:08:29.160 We thought it was a legitimate role.

00:08:34.240 We just didn't really like that he was involved in our thing.

00:08:37.780 So he says, finally, at all times, I was acting in good faith as presidential appointee.

00:08:42.700 I followed the directions of the president.

00:08:44.540 We worked with Mr. Giuliani because the president directed us to do so.

00:08:48.380 We had no desire to set any conditions on the Ukrainians.

00:08:51.780 Indeed, my personal view, which I shared repeatedly with others, was that the White House meeting and security assistant should have proceeded without preconditions of any kind.

00:09:00.100 We were working to overcome the problems, given the facts as they existed.

00:09:03.240 Our only interest was to advance longstanding U.S. policy and support Ukraine's fragile democracy.

00:09:09.080 Yeah, that's interesting.

00:09:10.060 And he in the previous paragraph also talks about the quid pro quo he's mentioning, he's saying was a thing, was about the meeting, not about the money.

00:09:18.620 When he found out about the money, the security assistance, he was very upset about that and did not think that that should be any part of the policy whatsoever.

00:09:30.400 So he is making a distinction there.

00:09:31.920 It's like, yeah, we were doing a, yeah, you can come meet with the president, but you got to do this investigation thing.

00:09:37.380 That did happen, according to Sondland.

00:09:39.400 However, he's saying when he found out about the security assistance being withheld, he was very angry about it.

00:09:46.740 And he said he was adamantly opposed to suspension of any aid.

00:09:50.500 He tried diligently to ask why the aid was suspended, but never received a clear answer.

00:09:54.980 What's interesting about that is it means the quid pro quo that he's talking about, according to Sondland, did not have to do with the money.

00:10:04.340 He never got an answer as to why the money was suspended.

00:10:08.140 That's a big, big distinction here.

00:10:11.700 The Democrats will certainly push on that to see if they can get something else to pop out of it.

00:10:16.480 But that is, that's, it looks like that's the direction, the sort of, the window he's trying to fit this into.

00:10:22.080 So he says, with enthusiasm, we return to the White House May 23rd to brief the president from Ukraine.

00:10:27.420 The important, strategic importance of Ukraine and the value of strengthening the relationship with President Zelensky to support this reformer.

00:10:36.100 We asked the White House for two things, a working phone call between Presidents Trump and Zelensky, and second, a working Oval Office visit.

00:10:43.160 In our view, both were vital to cementing the U.S.-Ukraine relationship, demonstrating support for Ukraine in the face of Russia aggression and advancing broader U.S. policy interest.

00:10:52.940 Unfortunately, Trump was skeptical.

00:10:55.820 He expressed concerns that the Ukrainian government was not serious about reform.

00:11:00.360 He even mentioned that Ukraine tried to take him down in the last election.

00:11:06.240 Our response to the persistent efforts to change his views, President Trump directed us, talk with Rudy.

00:11:12.020 We understood talk with Rudy meant Mr. Rudy Giuliani, the president's personal lawyer.

00:11:16.900 Let me say again, we weren't happy with the president's directive to talk with Rudy.

00:11:20.660 We didn't want to involve Mr. Giuliani.

00:11:23.180 I believe then, as I do now, that the men and women of the State Department, not the president's personal lawyer, should take responsibility for Ukrainian matters.

00:11:29.640 So do I, but unless there's something else going on.

00:11:34.540 Is Schiff done with this yet?

00:11:37.460 He's still blabbing.

00:11:38.480 He's still blabbing.

00:11:39.420 President Zelensky did not clear things up in public.

00:11:41.880 The only person this impeachment is more about than actual President Trump is Schiff.

00:11:47.500 It's all about Schiff.

00:11:49.200 The Schiff show. He loves it.

00:11:50.360 Schiff show with the goo-goo-googly eyes.

00:11:54.180 I first communicated with Mr. Giuliani in early August.

00:11:57.660 He emphasized that the president wanted a public statement from Zelensky.

00:12:03.480 Mr. Giuliani specifically mentioned the 2016 election.

00:12:08.180 Burisma and two things that were important to the president.

00:12:11.640 We kept the leadership of the State Department, NSC, informed about our activities.

00:12:14.920 We included communication with the director of Secretary of State Pompeo, his counselor, his executive secretary, all within the State Department, communications with Ambassador John Bolton, Fiona Hill, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:29.220 They all knew what we were doing and why.

00:12:33.200 Well, that doesn't look good for them.

00:12:35.520 Because they all kind of said they didn't know what was going on.

00:12:39.600 I mean, you can tell there is seemingly animosity between Sondland, again, who's not a State Department guy, although he does believe in the State Department and had a big role there, between him and Giuliani.

00:12:52.880 I mean, they are throwing a lot of this on Giuliani.

00:12:56.040 And, you know, while they're saying, like, there's a big, you know, segment kind of that you mentioned there where he is saying, look, we didn't want to do this.

00:13:05.200 We didn't want Giuliani involved.

00:13:07.160 The president, though, was skeptical of the State Department, and so we went along with it.

00:13:10.960 But we did not want Giuliani involved in this.

00:13:13.880 Now, look, it's the president's decision whether Giuliani is, I mean, the president's the guy paying him, right?

00:13:18.120 And it's his personal lawyer.

00:13:19.340 So he gets to make those decisions, and Sondland respects them here, but is pointing out over and over again that he did not like the idea, the road it went down.

00:13:27.980 So it really looks in this testimony so far that you haven't heard yet, but we're reading ahead on his opening statement.

00:13:37.680 And his opening statement, at least as far as we have read, I'm halfway through page, the 24-page document and reading it as we are telling you about it.

00:13:49.080 He is, he looks like he's going after Rudy Giuliani.

00:13:53.300 Giuliani is, looks like he's going to be the fall guy.

00:13:59.920 Can we take Nunez and his opening statement?

00:14:05.540 He's coming up in just a second.

00:14:07.680 Some things happened yesterday that we'll get into as well that did not go well for the Democrats.

00:14:18.860 And, you know, well, let's just see.

00:14:22.440 This is a really important day for the impeachment hearing.

00:14:30.200 Adam Schiff.

00:14:31.780 With that, I recognize ranking member Nunes for any remarks that he would wish to make.

00:14:34.880 Please, thank God, finally finished.

00:14:36.060 Thank the gentlemen, as we learned last night, story time last night.

00:14:42.560 We get story time first thing this morning.

00:14:44.940 Ambassador Sondland, welcome.

00:14:48.140 Glad you're here.

00:14:49.500 I'm really not glad you're here, but welcome to the fifth day of this circus.

00:14:54.220 Sondland really does look happy.

00:14:56.940 The Democrats on this committee spent three years accusing President Trump of being a Russian agent.

00:15:02.860 In March 2018, after a year-long investigation, Intelligence Committee Republicans issued a 240-page report describing in detail how the Russians meddled in the 2016 elections and making specific recommendations to improve our election security.

00:15:21.440 Denouncing the report as a whitewash and accusing Republicans of subverting the investigation, the Democrats issued their own report, focusing on their now debunked conspiracy theory that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to hack the elections.

00:15:40.040 Notably, the Democrats vowed at the time to present a further, quote, comprehensive report, unquote, after they finished their investigation into Trump's treasonous collusion with Russia.

00:15:53.960 For some completely inexplicable reason, after the implosion of their Russia hoax, the Democrats failed to issue that comprehensive report.

00:16:05.240 We're still waiting.

00:16:07.160 This episode shows how the Democrats have exploited the Intelligence Committee for political purposes for three years, culminating in these impeachment hearings and their mania to attack the president.

00:16:18.680 President, no conspiracy theory is too outlandish for the Democrats. 0.92

00:16:26.760 Time and time again, they floated the possibility of some far-fetched malfeasance by Trump, declared the dire need to investigate it, and then suddenly dropped the issue and moved on to their next asinine theory.

00:16:39.460 A sampling of their accusations and insinuations includes these.

00:16:47.180 Trump is a long-time Russian agent, as described in the Steele dossier.

00:16:54.020 The Russians gave Trump advance access to emails stolen by the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign.

00:17:00.420 The Trump campaign based some of his activities on these stolen documents.

00:17:05.420 Trump received nefarious materials from the Russians through a Trump campaign aid.

00:17:10.580 Trump laundered Russian money through real estate deals.

00:17:13.480 Trump was blackmailed by Russia through his financial exposure with Deutsche Bank.

00:17:21.020 Trump had a diabolical plan to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

00:17:26.100 Trump changed the Republican National Committee platform to hurt Ukraine and benefit Russia.

00:17:33.220 The Russians laundered money through the NRA for the Trump campaign.

00:17:37.620 Trump's son-in-law lied about his Russian contacts while obtaining his security clearance.

00:17:45.380 It's a long list of charges. All false.

00:17:47.980 The best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:17:58.940 Hey, it's Glenn, and you're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

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00:18:10.380 So I want to take you back to the hearings.

00:18:13.360 Sondland, Ambassador Sondland, is still reading his opening statement.

00:18:16.240 If you just joined us, you missed a couple of things.

00:18:19.860 Let me just read probably the most critical thing in the last 20 minutes.

00:18:24.680 Also, July 26, shortly after our Kiev meetings, I spoke by phone with President Trump.

00:18:29.700 The White House, which had finally shared certain call dates and times with my attorneys, will confirm this.

00:18:36.080 The call lasted five minutes.

00:18:37.560 I remember I was at a restaurant in Kiev, and I had no reason to doubt that this conversation included the subject of investigations.

00:18:43.360 Again, given Mr. Giuliani's demand that President Zelensky make a public statement about investigations,

00:18:49.520 I knew the topic of investigations was important to the president.

00:18:53.420 We did not discuss any classified information.

00:18:56.780 Other witnesses recently shared their recollections of overhearing this call.

00:19:00.520 But for the most part, I have no reason to doubt their accounts.

00:19:04.200 It is true that the president speaks loudly at times.

00:19:07.060 It is also true that we discussed ASAP Rocky.

00:19:11.200 It is true that the president likes colorful language.

00:19:14.780 While I can't remember the precise details, again, the White House has not allowed me to see any of the readouts of that call,

00:19:21.040 the July 26 call did not strike me as significant at the time.

00:19:25.560 Actually, I would have been more surprised if President Trump had not mentioned investigations,

00:19:30.500 particularly what we were hearing from Mr. Giuliani about the president's concerns.

00:19:34.340 However, I have no recollection of discussing Vice President Biden or his son on the call or after the call ended.

00:19:42.780 I know that members of this committee have frequently framed those complicated issues in the form of a simple question.

00:19:48.120 Was there quid pro quo?

00:19:50.100 As I testified previously with regard to the White House call and the White House meeting,

00:19:54.520 the answer is yes, there was.

00:19:58.740 Mr. Giuliani conveyed to Secretary Perry, Ambassador Volker and others,

00:20:05.080 the president wanted a public statement from President Zelensky committing to investigations of Burisma in the 2016 election.

00:20:12.860 Mr. Giuliani expressed those requests directly to the Ukrainians.

00:20:16.660 Mr. Giuliani also expressed those requests directly to us.

00:20:19.500 We all understood the prerequisites for a White House call and a White House meeting.

00:20:24.220 It reflected President Trump's desires and requirements.

00:20:28.320 So they they talk about, you know, it was no secret.

00:20:32.520 In fact, let me quote.

00:20:33.480 It was no secret.

00:20:35.320 Everyone was informed via email on July 19th, days before the presidential call.

00:20:41.400 As I communicated to the team, I told President Zelensky in advance that assurances to, quote,

00:20:48.900 run a fully transparent investigation, end quote, and, quote, turn over every stone, end quote,

00:20:57.840 were necessary in his call with the president.

00:21:01.380 That doesn't seem like a bad thing to ask for if you want a meeting.

00:21:05.320 The rest of it seems to be this is what I heard or what I later came to believe, but no evidence.

00:21:13.800 But make no mistake, this is going to hurt the president's case because he has made his case, which it is not.

00:21:21.840 But he has decided to make the case all about quid pro quo.

00:21:26.320 This is the only guy with firsthand knowledge that can say there was quid pro quo.

00:21:32.380 But he didn't say it was happening from the president.

00:21:35.280 He said it was happening through Rudy Giuliani, that only Rudy Giuliani said quid pro quo.

00:21:42.400 There you have to do this or he's not going to get that meeting.

00:21:45.880 And that but he is saying that did come directly from the president to Giuliani.

00:21:49.640 But he does not have firsthand knowledge.

00:21:51.420 But that would you know, that would be a good assumption.

00:21:54.040 Sure.

00:21:54.340 I think it's important to kind of talk about what we're doing here today, which is I think you can go probably all over talk radio today and get people telling you that, you know, oh, these guys are all it's all a sham and it's a hoax.

00:22:07.920 And and there's nothing going on here.

00:22:09.820 And you can certainly go on every media source today and they're going to say this is the worst thing in the world.

00:22:13.860 What I feel like it's important for us to do today is to look at this and see how is the media going to take this?

00:22:20.360 How are they going to push this to the American people?

00:22:23.120 What the truth is and what what is still speculation?

00:22:26.580 So and what what is the approach the Democrats are trying to take here?

00:22:30.380 Right.

00:22:30.560 They are playing by the president.

00:22:32.640 They're letting him hang himself on the quid pro quo.

00:22:35.940 When I say this is bad for the president, I mean, it's bad for the president because he has insisted on making it only about that.

00:22:43.200 It's not about that.

00:22:44.720 It's about the national interest on what happened in the 2016 election and deep corruption in our State Department and former administration.

00:22:53.300 That's what this is really all about.

00:22:55.300 But he has insisted on making this about quid pro quo.

00:22:58.440 And so because everybody knows that.

00:23:03.460 What's going to happen is the media is just going to pound Sondland's thing into the ground saying, yes, those who question if there was a quid pro quo,

00:23:12.500 I can tell you, yes, this does, I think, potentially provide an off ramp for Trump on that defense, which is to say, wait a minute.

00:23:21.520 We're talking about the meeting.

00:23:23.000 Well, we meetings we use for all sorts of things.

00:23:25.800 You were talking about security.

00:23:27.020 You're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:23:29.340 I didn't withhold that.

00:23:30.240 I didn't withhold their safety for for any of these things.

00:23:33.900 Right.

00:23:34.000 I withheld a meeting, as Sondland said.

00:23:37.200 And it does give him an off ramp from that argument, potentially.

00:23:40.300 If he decides to take it.

00:23:42.220 He's had plenty of it.

00:23:42.960 You know, like you're right.

00:23:43.740 He's had off ramp after off ramp after off ramp.

00:23:45.700 The biggest one being Mick Mulvaney, who came out and took all the arrows for saying, look, it's not about quid pro quo.

00:23:52.100 This stuff happens all the time.

00:23:54.040 And we haven't, I mean, Mick's been invisible since.

00:23:56.660 Apparently did not go over well in the White House and was not received well by the media.

00:24:00.600 But he was being honest, which is like this stuff happens all the time.

00:24:05.100 Of course, when you're giving a country $391 million, there are some strings attached to that.

00:24:12.260 Yeah, it's true.

00:24:13.980 And there's real nuance in Ambassador Sondland's testimony.

00:24:18.940 He talks about how the president didn't believe anybody in Ukraine.

00:24:23.480 He thought they were all corrupt.

00:24:24.840 He didn't want anything to do with it.

00:24:26.460 So there again is a reason in national interests to withhold the money.

00:24:33.160 And that backed up Trump's sort of telling of this, which is it was for the national interest and not for personal, private, political benefits.

00:24:40.820 So we're talking about a couple of things.

00:24:42.660 We're talking about how the media is going to run with it.

00:24:45.660 And you know that.

00:24:47.560 How the legal case should be run here by the Republicans.

00:24:52.720 But I don't know what the Republicans are doing.

00:24:56.300 And what this means for the deep state.

00:24:59.560 Now, yesterday, we had some pretty incredible things happen yesterday with the witnesses that were there.

00:25:13.320 Vindman is a guy who was pursued by Ambassador Sondland and Rudy Giuliani.

00:25:24.320 He was a guy who said there was no national interest in this.

00:25:29.720 If Ukraine was engaging in U.S. election interference, colluding with Obama, and Bidens were using the power of the government to make millions of dollars with a known corrupt oligarch.

00:25:41.960 He didn't hear about it, and it wasn't in the national interest.

00:25:45.180 Well, that doesn't make any sense at all.

00:25:47.980 It showed that the three amigos were Sondland, the guy who's testifying now, Vindman, who testified yesterday, and the whistleblower.

00:26:04.800 Vindman was on the phone call, and we found out yesterday that when he finished the phone call, he immediately ran out and talked to the whistleblower, and I believe Sondland, right?

00:26:21.680 And I think it's Sondland.

00:26:24.820 And they started to war game this out.

00:26:30.780 Now, it wasn't Sondland.

00:26:31.700 Who was the other guy?

00:26:33.140 It was the other guy with the bow tie guy, wasn't it?

00:26:35.920 Taylor?

00:26:37.080 Taylor was on the first day.

00:26:38.340 Kent.

00:26:38.460 It was Kent.

00:26:39.300 It was also on the first day.

00:26:40.600 So Kent is the three amigo.

00:26:43.040 It was Kent, the whistleblower, and Vindman.

00:26:46.080 Now, yesterday, we looked, you know, at Vindman, they kept asking him, did you know about all of these things?

00:26:56.400 Did you know about corruption in Burisma?

00:27:00.240 Did you know that was happening?

00:27:01.860 Did you know that there was speculation that his son was corrupt?

00:27:07.100 Did you know anything about the DNC working with the embassy?

00:27:13.020 Did you know anything and gave this whole list?

00:27:16.720 The answer was no on absolutely everything.

00:27:20.440 Absolutely everything.

00:27:21.960 So he looks as if he is, I mean, he's supposed to be a Ukrainian expert.

00:27:27.920 This is his beat.

00:27:29.200 The name Chalupa had been floating around.

00:27:32.000 Soros' involvement in Ukraine had been known since early 2015.

00:27:36.180 Hunter Biden's involvement with Bariza had been a topic of concern in the State Department for a while.

00:27:42.040 As testified by George Kent last week.

00:27:46.180 So was this guy lying or was he just incompetent?

00:27:50.280 We'll tell you more about this coming up in just a second because we have an expose on this.

00:27:56.020 It's really important tonight at 5 o'clock.

00:27:58.400 We'll tell you about it here in a second.

00:27:59.880 But it looks like Adam Schiff is now ready to ask some questions of Sondland.

00:28:06.720 And over this continuum, it became more and more difficult to secure the White House meeting

00:28:14.240 because more conditions were being placed on the White House meeting.

00:28:18.320 And then, of course, on July 25th, although you were not privy to the call,

00:28:22.480 another condition was added, that being the investigation of the Bidens.

00:28:26.380 I was not privy to the call, and I did not know that the condition of investigating the Bidens was a condition.

00:28:35.260 Correct.

00:28:35.640 You saw that in the call record, correct?

00:28:37.660 It was not in any record I received.

00:28:39.640 But when you didn't receive.

00:28:40.580 Yes.

00:28:41.080 I saw that in September.

00:28:42.600 Correct.

00:28:42.840 So on this continuum, the beginning of the continuum begins on May 23rd when the President instructs you to talk to Rudy?

00:28:51.780 Correct.

00:28:53.960 And you understood that as a direction by the President that you needed to satisfy the concerns

00:28:58.380 that Rudy Giuliani would express to you about what the President wanted in Ukraine?

00:29:02.420 Not to me, to the entire group, Volker, Perry, and myself.

00:29:06.200 Correct.

00:29:06.520 Now, in your opening statement, you confirmed that there was a quid pro quo between the White House meeting

00:29:12.380 and the investigations into Burisma and the 2016 election that Giuliani was publicly promoting.

00:29:18.320 Is that right?

00:29:19.140 Correct.

00:29:23.440 And, in fact, you say that other senior officials in the State Department and the Chiefs of Staff's office,

00:29:29.360 including Mick Mulvaney, Secretary Pompeo, were aware of this quid pro quo,

00:29:35.300 that in order to get the White House meeting, there were going to have to be these investigations the President wanted?

00:29:41.240 Correct.

00:29:43.760 And those, again, are investigations into 2016 and Burisma slash the Bidens?

00:29:50.100 2016 Burisma.

00:29:51.780 The Bidens did not come up.

00:29:54.060 But you would ultimately learn that Burisma meant the Bidens when you saw the call record, correct?

00:29:58.520 Of course.

00:29:59.080 Today I know exactly what it means.

00:30:01.440 I didn't know at the time.

00:30:05.660 Credible, Stu.

00:30:07.780 And then on July 26th, you confirmed he didn't indeed have a conversation.

00:30:09.720 He's not all pro-Democrats.

00:30:11.200 We've pointed this out multiple times now.

00:30:13.040 But a lot of his testimony is actually helping the President here.

00:30:18.380 In some ways.

00:30:19.420 In some ways.

00:30:20.180 And hurting him and others.

00:30:21.160 Yeah.

00:30:21.280 If he chooses to let them help.

00:30:25.980 Recounting that I take exception with is I do not recall mentioning the Bidens.

00:30:30.780 That did not enter my mind.

00:30:32.140 It was Burisma in 2016 elections.

00:30:34.900 You have no reason to believe that Mr. Holmes would make that up if that's what he recalls you saying.

00:30:39.080 You have no reason to question that, do you?

00:30:40.360 I don't recall saying Bidens.

00:30:42.960 I never recall saying Bidens.

00:30:48.140 But the rest of Mr. Holmes' recollection is consistent with your own.

00:30:54.000 Well, I can't testify as to what Mr. Holmes might or might not have heard through the phone.

00:30:58.900 I don't know how he heard the conversation.

00:31:01.120 Are you familiar with this testimony?

00:31:03.220 Vaguely, yes.

00:31:03.900 And the only exception you take is to the mention of the name Biden.

00:31:07.740 Correct.

00:31:14.140 That could be significant.

00:31:15.580 They're going to use that.

00:31:16.300 And I think it was a testimony this morning that not only is it correct that the President brought up with you investigations on the phone the day after the July 25th call,

00:31:26.540 but you would have been surprised had he not brought that up.

00:31:28.900 Is that right?

00:31:29.340 Right, because we had been hearing about it from Rudy, and we presumed Rudy was getting it from the President.

00:31:34.840 One of the big things you're seeing here from Sondland, in his testimony, he said the conversation after the phone conversation at the restaurant,

00:31:41.620 where he said he doesn't care about Ukraine, is not included in his opening statement.

00:31:46.860 And you see the tricky shift tactic there, which is to say, are you familiar with his testimony?

00:31:52.700 He says vaguely.

00:31:53.820 He says, well, so the only thing that you disagree with is you didn't say Biden.

00:31:56.720 And he says, yeah, well, wait a minute, there's a whole other part of the call you haven't discussed at all.

00:32:01.840 And now they're going to say he agreed with that part of the testimony as if he knew what he was talking about.

00:32:07.240 Back in just a second, one minute.

00:32:08.700 Keep the testimony running in case something happens.

00:32:11.320 Do you remember the good old days when the Internet was safe and fun?

00:32:14.360 Nobody tried to hack and steal things from you?

00:32:16.980 Yeah.

00:32:17.480 No, it never happened.

00:32:21.460 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:32:26.720 Hey, it's Glenn.

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00:32:56.320 So, Pat Gray is joining us.

00:32:59.300 By the way, happy birthday, Pat.

00:33:00.740 No, thank you.

00:33:01.920 I'd get you a gift, but you have the pants. 0.82

00:33:04.640 Didn't I give those back on your birthday?

00:33:06.120 Nope.

00:33:06.960 Wow, that was inconsiderate of me.

00:33:08.580 It is.

00:33:09.040 We've been giving the same gift to each other since, what, 1989, I think.

00:33:13.520 And it's a pair of lovely golf pants that I bought Pat originally in 1989.

00:33:21.460 They're pink Paisley golf pants from Ralph Lauren.

00:33:26.000 Very nice.

00:33:26.900 Well, very colorful.

00:33:28.120 Yeah.

00:33:28.340 So, I gave them to him.

00:33:29.760 I actually believe they're Dolce & Gabbana because...

00:33:33.220 Really?

00:33:33.680 Yeah.

00:33:34.360 That's an expensive joke.

00:33:35.700 Yeah, but it is, but they're extremely weird, and that fits Dolce & Gabbana perfectly.

00:33:41.920 No, I'm telling you, it's...

00:33:43.760 Are you sure?

00:33:44.200 Yes, I'm positive.

00:33:45.160 All right.

00:33:45.380 I know at one point, some of the pants we were giving back and forth were Dolce & Gabbana.

00:33:50.180 I think I gave you a shirt to go with the pants, and then you kept the shirt.

00:33:54.260 But anyway, so we've been giving the same gift back and forth to each other since 1989

00:33:58.760 and or 1990, and I didn't get my...

00:34:03.780 I really thought I gave that back to you.

00:34:05.380 Nope.

00:34:05.900 I don't have to repurpose it again this year.

00:34:09.120 What?

00:34:10.080 I'll have to get you another pair this year.

00:34:11.720 I guess I'm skipping your birthday.

00:34:12.800 Anyway, so Pat, you've been watching the impeachment.

00:34:16.280 What is your thought today?

00:34:18.340 Kind of like yours.

00:34:19.520 It seems like a bad day for the president, and I don't...

00:34:23.380 I just don't understand why they've gone this direction the whole time.

00:34:27.280 You mean Trump?

00:34:28.240 Yes.

00:34:28.580 Why Trump has insisted it's not quid pro quo.

00:34:31.520 Who cares if it's quid pro quo?

00:34:34.780 Tell them it's in the national interest.

00:34:37.020 Because it was.

00:34:37.760 Because it was.

00:34:39.140 And that's what...

00:34:39.880 See, here's...

00:34:40.660 What Schiff has done today is he's moved it two steps.

00:34:45.360 He's made two moves.

00:34:46.560 He's got somebody now saying, yep, definitely.

00:34:49.700 I talked to the president.

00:34:51.160 I got it from Rudy Giuliani.

00:34:53.900 It was quid pro quo.

00:34:55.740 If this didn't happen, he would not have a meeting with Zelensky.

00:35:01.180 Now, he later tied that to the aid, but that is hearsay, because that was something that the ambassador said, I just assumed that that's what it was.

00:35:10.420 Okay?

00:35:11.040 So there is no evidence that it was tied to the aid.

00:35:13.800 But you could make that assumption, as Ambassador Sondland did.

00:35:17.560 So what he did was he gave them the quid pro quo today.

00:35:23.400 At least with the meeting.

00:35:25.180 With the meeting.

00:35:25.980 But did you see what he had the ambassador testify to towards the end?

00:35:32.420 The Democratic attorney said, or Schiff said, so this was a working meeting, though, right?

00:35:39.060 This was an official working meeting.

00:35:40.900 Oh, yeah.

00:35:41.260 And he said, yes, it was.

00:35:43.500 And so you were planning on doing work and trying to really work.

00:35:46.940 Yes.

00:35:47.340 So this was an official presidential duty.

00:35:52.080 So he moved this piece two spots down the board.

00:35:57.020 And the president shouldn't have ever let them have that.

00:36:00.540 No.

00:36:00.640 And he only allowed them to have that because he kept insisting, and probably still will, there was no quid pro quo.

00:36:08.000 There was an off-ramp, however.

00:36:10.620 The off-ramp was, I think, the first part of that.

00:36:16.160 Oh, well, if that's what you meant by quid pro quo, a meeting, I thought you were talking about the money.

00:36:21.800 But the meeting, yeah, quid pro quo.

00:36:24.920 Right.

00:36:25.180 But you better have a legitimate reason why that money was held up.

00:36:31.080 Right.

00:36:31.640 It's going to be hard for him to say, sure, yeah, that was a quid pro quo.

00:36:35.040 The point here is that what are we arguing about at this juncture, right?

00:36:38.640 A meeting?

00:36:39.920 Like, I mean, that is like, what age are we?

00:36:42.700 I think that's the out.

00:36:43.740 If it's all about the meeting, I don't care if that's a working meeting or not.

00:36:47.860 You can't impeach him over a meeting.

00:36:50.260 Can you? 0.98

00:36:50.920 I mean, it's silly. 0.99

00:36:51.580 It's ridiculous. 0.97

00:36:52.780 I, I, it's just, it's, it's so. 0.58

00:36:55.760 But he's not, but there's not, that's not the way it's going to be spun.

00:36:58.200 Remember, impeachment is not a legal proceeding.

00:37:01.280 It is a political proceeding.

00:37:03.140 So you have to convince the American people.

00:37:06.840 Yeah.

00:37:07.340 Right.

00:37:07.640 Donald Trump has given him the ammunition.

00:37:10.260 He's armed the media with the ammunition.

00:37:14.220 Clear cut.

00:37:15.300 Yes, it was quid pro quo.

00:37:16.800 They're not going to take it any further.

00:37:18.280 They won't care about the meeting.

00:37:19.620 No, and even if he didn't say that, they would lie about it.

00:37:21.800 But they have him on tape saying it multiple times with the, you know, with all the flavor

00:37:25.800 that they want.

00:37:26.540 And it is a logical leap from the meeting to then what happened to the aid?

00:37:32.780 Why, why was the aid held up?

00:37:34.400 It was a logical leap from Sondland.

00:37:36.620 Yes.

00:37:37.020 Which is what he's saying.

00:37:37.980 I was like, yeah, well, obviously this is part of it.

00:37:40.180 Right.

00:37:40.320 And so the American people will take that leap and that shuts down everything else, everything 0.92

00:37:46.000 else of what this is about.

00:37:48.460 2016.

00:37:49.420 What's the State Department's role in these, these riots all around the world, including

00:37:55.440 Ukraine.

00:37:56.320 What was happening with civil society 2.0?

00:38:00.800 What was happening with the 2016 election?

00:38:04.640 What happened to the $7 billion?

00:38:06.960 All of that is gone.

00:38:09.340 It's, it's honestly like somebody burned down a house and we're listening to two attorneys

00:38:16.140 argue with the guy who left the paint thinner open and then was smoking around it.

00:38:23.520 And all they're doing is, is asking the, the painter, yes, but was the living room eggshell

00:38:31.520 or white?

00:38:33.580 That has nothing to do with anything.

00:38:35.540 That has nothing to do with this, but that's the president's fault.

00:38:39.700 And it's strange that they haven't seen that along the way.

00:38:43.840 How is it possible?

00:38:45.200 I think everybody did.

00:38:46.140 He, with all his advisors, didn't say, look, this is the wrong tack.

00:38:51.080 We've got to go to U.S. interest.

00:38:54.080 I don't understand.

00:38:55.440 Inside sources have told me that they have been saying that.

00:39:02.060 To the president?

00:39:03.080 Yes.

00:39:03.740 And he won't go with it?

00:39:04.860 No.

00:39:05.520 He wants to, he never wants to give up ground, right?

00:39:07.680 And I do think after this, he will come out again and say there was no quid pro quo.

00:39:11.180 I agree.

00:39:11.880 Because he'll say it wasn't in the call.

00:39:13.120 He will.

00:39:13.440 And we still, at this point, don't have a transcript of Trump saying it, right?

00:39:18.460 What we have is a very close aide, a million, you know, seven-figure donor to the president who said that it was said.

00:39:26.060 And he's credible.

00:39:26.680 And it came directly from Giuliani.

00:39:28.120 And he's credible in a way that, like, his presentation, as you watch it, he seems credible.

00:39:32.240 He's credible for the media and the American people to consume it and deem he's credible.

00:39:37.840 The clips will play well.

00:39:38.320 He could be the biggest liar in the world, but he will not be spun that way.

00:39:42.940 And his clips don't look, like, Vindman looked a little, I don't know, squirrely. 0.86

00:39:49.200 Yeah.

00:39:49.560 He didn't look shady.

00:39:50.680 He just looked squirrely.

00:39:51.900 You watch him and you're like, oh, I don't know.

00:39:55.180 Vindman did not have any of that approach to him at all.

00:39:58.940 And to be clear, he said some things that have been beneficial, I think, to the president.

00:40:02.020 And this line is carved out pretty well in that he basically put, Sondland put all the blame to Giuliani, largely,

00:40:11.580 and said Giuliani was doing these things, but they were at the president's request, but Giuliani was the problem.

00:40:16.580 Giuliani's the one who was saying, you know, explicit quid pro quo, Giuliani, Giuliani, Giuliani.

00:40:22.320 Now, he's not saying that he doesn't believe Giuliani, that Giuliani didn't really get the word from the president.

00:40:29.220 He's not saying that.

00:40:30.540 But the president may very well say that.

00:40:32.860 He may say, I don't know what Rudy was doing.

00:40:34.920 You know, yeah, maybe Rudy was telling people that.

00:40:36.860 I wasn't telling people that.

00:40:38.180 He could throw him under the bus.

00:40:39.300 And we 100% at this point know that there was a quid pro quo for these things, at least according to the Ukrainians,

00:40:47.420 who definitely felt that outwardly from Sondland.

00:40:51.720 Have you noticed that until today, when Sondland kept saying it, they've dropped the quid pro quo thing and went to bribery?

00:40:58.820 Yeah.

00:40:59.120 And I think that's because the American people don't necessarily know what quid pro quo is.

00:41:04.660 They're not up on their Latin as much as maybe we should be.

00:41:07.760 They did a focus group last week or the week before, and they said, you know, which, what does it mean?

00:41:15.200 And nobody knew what it meant and nobody cared what it meant.

00:41:18.680 But when they said, how about the word bribery?

00:41:22.120 They all went, oh, that's really bad.

00:41:24.200 Right.

00:41:24.540 And that's why they changed it.

00:41:25.600 It was all changed again for a focus group.

00:41:27.700 And I think it was changed for Al Sharpton, too, because the president has been proven to have a quid pro quo quo.

00:41:38.680 He did not say that to me.

00:41:40.180 A quid skid row quo.

00:41:45.220 The president has been doing bribery.

00:41:50.600 Too many bribery.

00:41:52.120 So I think, in part, this is for Al Sharpton's Sunday show.

00:41:58.020 That could be for his broadcast.

00:41:59.720 Yeah.

00:42:00.040 So he doesn't have to deal with that stuff.

00:42:01.840 I will say it's also in the Constitution, right?

00:42:03.860 Outwardly.

00:42:04.260 The word is in the Constitution as opposed to quid pro quo.

00:42:07.060 Well, they tested high crimes, misdemeanors, bribery, quid pro quo.

00:42:12.500 And there's no chance that Al Sharpton could ever pronounce that.

00:42:14.480 No chance at all.

00:42:16.040 No.

00:42:16.280 Well, I can.

00:42:17.120 Can he do high crimes and misdemeanors?

00:42:19.120 Is that?

00:42:20.180 I don't know.

00:42:21.040 I don't even know if he could get to that.

00:42:22.120 I'm not positive on that one.

00:42:23.040 It's probably pretty difficult.

00:42:25.460 And I will tell you.

00:42:26.100 High crimes and Mrs. was meaner. 1.00

00:42:31.440 What?

00:42:32.060 Wait, what?

00:42:33.880 Maybe Mrs. Wiener. 1.00

00:42:35.220 Mrs. Wiener.

00:42:35.940 They know Mrs. Wiener.

00:42:38.680 What's her name?

00:42:39.700 Anthony Wieners.

00:42:40.920 Oh, right.

00:42:41.540 Yes.

00:42:42.900 Let me just leave you with this idea.

00:42:45.740 I want to play the audio from Good Morning America.

00:42:50.840 Now, listen to this audio, what they say.

00:42:53.460 Well, our poll also shows that 21% of Americans have made up their minds after the first week

00:42:59.660 of testimony.

00:43:00.120 That suggests that they were already locked in or that really the testimony they've heard

00:43:04.520 is enough.

00:43:05.180 But that's a big percentage who still have to make up their minds.

00:43:08.900 And 70% saying the president did something wrong.

00:43:10.860 The president keeps saying the call was perfect.

00:43:13.160 He did nothing wrong.

00:43:14.360 Our poll suggests that may go down in history along with I did not have sex with that woman 1.00

00:43:18.080 as a very ineffective presidential defense.

00:43:20.580 Okay, so I believe that to be accurate.

00:43:23.560 Really?

00:43:24.200 You think only 20% of people have made their mind up on this?

00:43:26.680 I don't think that's even close to that.

00:43:27.760 No, no, no, no, no.

00:43:28.600 What I'm saying is the statement, I didn't have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.

00:43:36.960 You're saying you believe that you never had sex with Miss Lewinsky?

00:43:38.840 Well, I'm pretty sure.

00:43:40.360 Okay.

00:43:40.840 Pretty sure.

00:43:41.440 Okay.

00:43:42.160 So.

00:43:43.080 Never be 100%.

00:43:44.140 Right.

00:43:44.440 These things happen.

00:43:44.900 I think that it is, I think that this, there was no quid pro quo, is going to go down in

00:43:51.880 the same way as a bad presidential defense, and we'll all remember no quid pro quo, and

00:44:00.080 it will become a joke, but it will not harm the president.

00:44:05.600 It won't bring him down.

00:44:06.800 It will not bring him down.

00:44:09.320 That's what I predict from this, that ABC is right.

00:44:13.160 But what I think they're thinking is, and that brought the impeachment, no, look to

00:44:19.120 the end of that.

00:44:20.100 Nobody cared.

00:44:21.180 Nobody cared.

00:44:21.940 Yeah.

00:44:22.140 And the funny thing, too, is we're talking about him changing the quid pro quo argument,

00:44:26.160 but he hasn't even changed the perfect call argument yet.

00:44:29.280 He's still on that the call is perfect.

00:44:32.540 I don't think that's going to be his pattern here.

00:44:34.760 All right.

00:44:36.600 Happy birthday, Pat.

00:44:37.840 Thank you.

00:44:38.700 Thank you.

00:44:39.380 Big plans?

00:44:39.820 38 already.

00:44:41.220 38.

00:44:41.620 Wow.

00:44:41.880 I didn't know you're that out.

00:44:43.420 That's really strange.

00:44:44.500 I've got children who are 38.

00:44:47.300 Wow.

00:44:48.420 Science doesn't know how it happened.

00:44:50.000 That is weird.

00:44:51.100 Welcome into it.

00:44:51.780 Men can have periods.

00:44:52.720 That's right.

00:44:53.620 You know, 38-year-olds.

00:44:54.540 Babies can have babies. 0.98

00:44:57.480 Babies can have adults or teenagers.

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