The Glenn Beck Program - November 18, 2019


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Glenn Beck sits down in a historic home in Plymouth, MA to talk about the importance of the pilgrims and why they are not taught about them in schools anymore. He also talks about why the pilgrims came to America and what they did to escape the economic downturn.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, it's Glenn today from Plymouth, Massachusetts, and welcome to the podcast.
00:00:05.000 Great one.
00:00:05.800 I'll explain why I'm in Plymouth.
00:00:08.380 We'll help you and your family get set for Thanksgiving because you are going to be the only one that is going to teach your family and your children about what Thanksgiving is really all about.
00:00:19.540 You can go to 400th, the number 400th400th.org and get help on all of that.
00:00:28.420 Plus, we talk a little politics and a little impeachment.
00:00:32.800 Oh, and a little TV as well.
00:00:35.800 All on today's podcast.
00:00:43.880 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:00:52.140 I am sitting in a very historic home.
00:00:57.440 I am sitting in the Layden home in Plymouth, Massachusetts.
00:01:05.640 And Plymouth is this amazing town that I've never been to.
00:01:11.360 And I came here Saturday.
00:01:13.320 And it was a long trip this weekend because I stopped somewhere else that we'll talk about later.
00:01:22.540 But I got here Saturday.
00:01:26.740 And it's such a strange place because everywhere you look, everywhere you look, something really important happened.
00:01:35.360 In this home that I'm sitting in, this is where the first peace treaty happened.
00:01:44.240 The first peace treaty with the Native Americans.
00:01:48.840 The first election in America happened in this room.
00:01:53.580 This is the this is called plot number one.
00:01:59.000 And it's the first street in America and the first home in America.
00:02:06.480 Right out across the street, looking out the windows, I can see Plymouth Rock from here.
00:02:14.780 It's literally a stone throws away from Plymouth Rock.
00:02:19.300 It is right on the water.
00:02:21.140 And the front yard is where they think the first Thanksgiving actually happened.
00:02:28.700 Kind of a historic place.
00:02:30.940 Next hour, I want to talk to you about the pilgrims and what isn't being taught anymore.
00:02:45.680 This is this town is.
00:02:49.600 I think like the rest of America, except on steroids, because the people who are here who know the truth about the pilgrims are on fire.
00:02:59.880 It is this group of people up here that are holding down the fort for the pilgrims are truly remarkable people.
00:03:10.800 I haven't been around people like this in a very long time that really, really know history, know what they've been called to do, have a plan and are doing it and are so filled with love for other people.
00:03:25.220 And it's working.
00:03:29.660 There's the other side of town that either just doesn't care.
00:03:33.480 Maybe you've lived here for a long time and, you know, I've seen it all and whatever, yada, yada, yada pilgrims.
00:03:40.600 Or they are really standing in the way of telling the truth about the pilgrims.
00:03:50.620 One of the guys who I was with, who we'll talk about a little later, was actually in Holland.
00:03:57.020 He came here from Holland because he was doing some research on the pilgrims and trying to get a reason from the the pilgrim museum, which I think is like a phone booth, you know, from where they launched.
00:04:13.500 And and there's one guy who, you know, was like, oh, my gosh, somebody just ring the bell.
00:04:20.580 They came in. 0.60
00:04:21.260 They want to hear about the pilgrims.
00:04:23.360 And so he he went over there and he was asking their experts, why did the pilgrims come here?
00:04:29.920 And the answers are crazy, truly, truly crazy, because there was an economic recession coming over.
00:04:39.160 Oh.
00:04:40.680 Oh, so it's to escape an economic recession.
00:04:44.160 They decided to go to a place to where they thought they could be scalped and eaten.
00:04:50.980 Oh, OK, that makes sense.
00:04:53.300 I know that's that's the first thing I do.
00:04:55.580 Hey, there might be a recession.
00:04:57.500 Let's get on to a rickety, leaking boat and cross the ocean, you know, where half of us are probably going to die because that's the way it is.
00:05:08.540 It's not exactly, you know, a nice tour ship that you're going on.
00:05:13.920 And then we're going to go to a place where there's Native Americans and they usually kill all of the people that are on the ship. 1.00
00:05:22.280 But at least we won't experience that recession.
00:05:26.080 Why did they come here?
00:05:27.500 And what has been lost?
00:05:30.000 And why is Thanksgiving so important?
00:05:33.460 And what are the people here doing?
00:05:36.100 They are holding the fort and they're actually making progress here.
00:05:41.940 So we'll get into that here in a in a little while and tell you something that I have felt for a while now I have was supposed to do.
00:05:57.460 And so we are going to be doing that and it involves next summer.
00:06:03.460 But it's really a year long event.
00:06:07.360 And we'll talk about that coming up in just a little while.
00:06:10.820 Pat Gray is joining us because Stu is faking an illness.
00:06:15.500 I think he works he works less than Johnny Carson used to work when he was doing the show.
00:06:22.340 And so, Pat, welcome to the program.
00:06:24.560 How are you?
00:06:25.240 Good.
00:06:25.400 I'm going to start calling.
00:06:26.400 I'm going to start saying that Stu is filling in for Pat shortly.
00:06:31.400 A couple of things, Pat.
00:06:34.360 First of all, Nancy Pelosi, I think, has I think they I think all of the Republicans on this impeachment hearing have really lost it.
00:06:43.720 I really I don't think they even know what reality is anymore.
00:06:49.080 Nancy Pelosi is now saying that Trump withheld the money from Ukraine for Putin.
00:06:56.440 Could we play this audio, please?
00:06:57.960 Listen to this.
00:07:01.780 So for a long time, just until the 24th of September, it was when I called for a fuller expansion.
00:07:11.300 The inquiry was going on, but to proceed with the inquiry.
00:07:16.420 And that kind of changed our communication until that day in the room when I said, all roads, Mr. President, with you lead to Putin.
00:07:26.820 Whether it's giving them a stronger foothold in the Middle East by what you did with Turkey and Syria,
00:07:31.860 or what you did by withholding a grant, withholding aid to military assistance voted by Congress to Ukraine to the benefit of Putin.
00:07:42.460 11,000, more like 13,000 by now.
00:07:45.420 Ukrainians have died at the hands of the Russians. 0.56
00:07:48.480 They needed that military aid.
00:07:50.360 And with his disparaging remarks about NATO and questioning our commitment to NATO, that's to Putin's advantage.
00:07:57.340 So we do have, shall we say, a candid relationship.
00:08:03.780 Wow.
00:08:04.580 I don't think I've ever heard anything so dishonest.
00:08:07.020 First of all, Nancy, the aid was given.
00:08:11.340 In fact, he sold what they were asking for.
00:08:15.440 They were asking for more of because the president had already sold them those weapons and those weapons systems they had been begging for.
00:08:24.380 But it was the Democrats under Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and, yes, you, Nancy Pelosi, that refused to sell them any of those weapons.
00:08:33.820 So for her to say that, you know, look, he's just trying to help the Russians, he hurt the Russians here. 0.53
00:08:41.540 His policies towards Russia, not his language, his policies towards Russia are much more fierce than anything that the reset team was trying to do with Vladimir Putin.
00:08:54.520 And when it comes to Ukraine, he actually has armed them against Russia, and the Democrats did not.
00:09:04.320 That's all part of trying to make Trump seem like a Russian agent.
00:09:07.680 They're still trying to do that.
00:09:08.920 They're still trying to make it look.
00:09:11.500 They're trying to make the American people believe that Donald Trump is a Russian asset.
00:09:15.980 Yet, it's so dishonest.
00:09:19.220 It is, it's so, almost treason-ish.
00:09:24.980 It's, it's, it's almost treason.
00:09:28.380 So Giancarlo Sopo, he wrote for The Blaze this weekend, leak focus groups results.
00:09:35.420 The, they reveal the Democrats impeaching messaging plans, weak legal case.
00:09:41.420 Have you, did you read this article?
00:09:43.160 No.
00:09:43.320 So he says, what happened to quid pro quo?
00:09:47.780 As political observers noticed this week, the Democrats have a new messaging strategy in their impeachment inquiry of President Trump.
00:09:54.560 Accused him of bribery.
00:09:56.840 The shift came after a focus group in battleground states by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
00:10:04.260 showed that voters were less receptive to the Latin legal term quid pro quo.
00:10:09.300 So, they preferred the charge of bribery over quid pro quo.
00:10:16.960 The latter, according to the sources familiar with the focus group, likely are to persuade swing voters.
00:10:22.540 So they changed it from quid pro quo just based on a focus group.
00:10:27.800 What can we, what can we use to get this guy?
00:10:30.500 As the Washington Post points out, the House Intelligence Committee member, Jim Hines, Democrat from Connecticut,
00:10:40.120 was the first to announce the Democrats' intentions to require, retire quid pro quo during an appearance on Meet the Press.
00:10:48.180 House Speaker Nancy Pelosi began accusing Trump of bribery during the press conference on Thursday.
00:10:54.840 Talking Latin around here, e plurus unum for many, one, quid pro quo, bribery and all that, is in the Constitution.
00:11:02.540 And attached to the impeachment hearing, she said.
00:11:04.880 She noted, a likely reason why Democrats had replaced quid pro quo with bribery is that the latter is one of the two crimes cited in the Constitution.
00:11:14.380 Again, not true.
00:11:15.940 The reason why they decided to change that is because people understood that and thought it was worse than quid pro quo.
00:11:24.600 Post also noticed that even Hines recognizes that while bribery may be a political useful term for the Democrats,
00:11:32.080 it's also imprecise to describe the allegations.
00:11:36.060 Abuse of power is not necessarily a concept that most Americans run around thinking about.
00:11:42.080 In this case, the abuse of power was the same combination of bribery and extortion.
00:11:47.120 It's also unclear what Democrats argue is the alleged bribe in question,
00:11:51.200 since Democrats don't have any witnesses with direct knowledge of Trump's state of mind during his dealings with Ukraine.
00:11:59.440 Republicans were quick to point out the change in messaging underscores that Democrats don't have a compelling legal case against the president.
00:12:06.840 They're just trying different narratives to see what would work.
00:12:10.720 And that brings me back to what Nancy Pelosi just said and what PAP said.
00:12:15.860 They're just doing everything they can.
00:12:18.280 They're throwing spaghetti up into the wall to see what sticks.
00:12:22.400 They don't have anything.
00:12:24.500 They have quid pro quo doesn't work.
00:12:27.220 Bribery doesn't work.
00:12:28.460 He's a Russian agent doesn't work. 0.65
00:12:31.200 When is America going to wake up to this? 0.95
00:12:33.560 If you look at the what's the definition of bribery?
00:12:36.920 Persuade someone to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement.
00:12:44.020 Well, so you have to get something for it.
00:12:45.600 What did we get for the money we gave them?
00:12:48.620 Nothing.
00:12:49.420 They never did the investigation.
00:12:51.640 Even the guy who was supposedly bribed has said over and over again, we received nothing for the investigation.
00:12:58.840 By the way, we didn't we didn't do an investigation.
00:13:00.800 So the line that kept sticking out to me this weekend was the Democrats saying that sometimes hearsay is better than direct.
00:13:09.880 Yeah, that's amazing.
00:13:11.260 Wow.
00:13:12.000 Since when has hearsay been better than direct evidence?
00:13:16.980 The hoops that you intellectually have to jump through to be a part of this crazy train is truly remarkable.
00:13:25.860 Hey, it's Glenn, and you're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.
00:13:39.800 If you like what you're hearing on this show, make sure you check out Pat Gray Unleashed.
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00:13:48.360 Did you see Ford versus Ferrari this weekend?
00:13:51.940 Yeah, I did.
00:13:52.680 You did, Pat?
00:13:53.380 Yeah.
00:13:53.560 Yeah, I did, too.
00:13:54.820 What did you think?
00:13:55.760 I liked it a lot.
00:13:57.000 I thought it was really good.
00:13:57.960 And it's a story I don't think a lot of Americans are familiar with, necessarily.
00:14:01.440 How much did you know?
00:14:03.500 Well, I knew the outcome, and I knew the general story, but I didn't know the specifics of their relationship and all that.
00:14:12.200 So if you don't know, the Shelby Cobra or the Ford Shelby is the greatest race car built.
00:14:22.120 I mean, they're just, they're amazing, amazing cars.
00:14:25.460 And the Shelby Cobra now, an original Shelby Cobra is what, $3 to $5, $7 million, something like that.
00:14:32.960 The Ford Shelbys, the real ones, are, you know, $10 million.
00:14:37.140 And built by a guy who's a Texan, who is just this, you know, why can't we do it kind of guy.
00:14:45.380 And the Ford versus Ferrari movie is the relationship between the driver and Shelby, the designer, and also the Ford Motor Company and the Shelby Motor Company.
00:15:03.100 And Ford does not come out looking good.
00:15:06.920 No, they really don't.
00:15:08.220 No, I mean, Lee Iacocca looks great in it, doesn't he?
00:15:12.560 Yeah, he does.
00:15:13.040 But it shows, it shows how Ford tried to buy Ferrari in a really intense scene.
00:15:20.420 Makes Ferrari look pretty weaselly, too.
00:15:23.460 It makes Enzo Ferrari look terrible.
00:15:25.820 Horrible.
00:15:26.840 Horrible.
00:15:27.760 Like, really, like a, well, I think, I think one of the lines was when Lee Iacocca came up, you know, he said, no, you don't understand.
00:15:36.240 This is, we're going to meet the mob.
00:15:38.380 Uh, it really was kind of mob-like.
00:15:42.720 Um, but, uh, it is a, I think personally, it is a perfect father and son movie.
00:15:50.500 Every father and son should go see this.
00:15:53.740 Absolutely.
00:15:54.880 Yeah.
00:15:55.440 And it, it shows you the rivalry between them because, um, Ford was, was, like you said, going to buy Ferrari and Ferrari was just using Ford to up the price of.
00:16:06.220 With Fiat.
00:16:06.520 Uh, with Fiat, another Italian company.
00:16:08.640 And that's what, that's who they wanted to go with all along.
00:16:11.320 And so, uh, Henry Ford II didn't take very kindly to that.
00:16:16.320 So, he wants to beat him on the racetrack.
00:16:18.300 And he says, I don't care what it costs.
00:16:22.000 And the, and the, uh, the, in, in two years, they developed, uh, the, um, the Ford Shelby race car.
00:16:32.000 Two years.
00:16:33.500 And, uh, that, that should have taken a decade to do.
00:16:37.460 And it wins at Lamaze in 66, 67, 68, and 69.
00:16:42.800 And then Ford decides they're not going to race anymore.
00:16:45.700 Uh, and it's, it's an incredible scene.
00:16:49.080 And it reminded me of the old, I think Steve McQueen and Paul Newman movies, right?
00:16:54.920 Didn't it?
00:16:55.640 Yes.
00:16:56.000 When I was a kid in the sixties, I barely remember them, but I remember my folks going to, and
00:17:02.200 my dad taking to me, you know, taking me to race car movies, uh, with, I think it was
00:17:07.740 Paul Newman and Steve McQueen was in some of those as well.
00:17:10.840 And it really felt like that.
00:17:12.860 It was funny.
00:17:13.740 It was really, really good.
00:17:15.360 Yeah.
00:17:15.500 It really was.
00:17:16.440 Have you seen Midway yet?
00:17:18.940 No, and I'm not going to.
00:17:21.060 Oh, really?
00:17:21.740 Yeah.
00:17:22.520 Oh.
00:17:23.920 Have you seen it?
00:17:24.660 Yeah.
00:17:25.300 What'd you think?
00:17:26.460 Uh, I, I liked the movie until it came to the very end.
00:17:30.280 That's why I'm not going.
00:17:31.580 Uh, very end, uh, might shock you a little bit because.
00:17:36.460 Explain.
00:17:37.300 You're not giving anything away.
00:17:38.560 Yeah.
00:17:38.900 At the, at the end of the movie, they dedicate it to all of the soldiers in the American
00:17:43.760 army who fought in world war two and the Japanese soldiers who fought in world war
00:17:48.480 two.
00:17:50.000 Wait, what?
00:17:51.800 You're also dedicating this to the enemy that sneak attacked us at Pearl Harbor and two
00:17:57.440 days before the veterans day.
00:17:59.800 That's what you're going to.
00:18:01.060 And it's not only that is the Chinese, uh, the Japanese were horrible. 1.00
00:18:05.000 They were 250,000 Chinese civilians.
00:18:09.080 Yeah.
00:18:09.240 They were tortured our American troops.
00:18:11.260 They were much, much worse than the Germans were with their experimentations and, and everything 1.00
00:18:16.940 else.
00:18:17.320 We, we forget that.
00:18:18.560 No, I was actually, um, more concerned about the plot line.
00:18:22.760 Didn't you notice that the plot line took a, a significant turn to China when it didn't
00:18:28.620 need to.
00:18:29.340 It's like, what does China have to do with, with Midway?
00:18:33.320 All of a sudden they're talking about China.
00:18:35.000 You're like, wait, what, what just happened?
00:18:37.800 Yes.
00:18:38.280 And that's because there's Chinese money in the movie.
00:18:41.360 So this is another thing like the NF, uh, the NBA where they've just sold out for the
00:18:47.160 Chinese money.
00:18:47.900 And so they, they had to make Midway some way or another to make China look good. 0.97
00:18:54.300 And so they added all that extra plot line.
00:18:57.980 That is unbelievable.
00:18:59.140 I mean, I, is that going to win them fans, uh, loyal?
00:19:04.640 No, we're number two now.
00:19:06.340 We're not the number one market now for movies.
00:19:08.840 We're, you're going to see all kinds of stuff starting to change.
00:19:12.360 For instance, did you see Terminator?
00:19:14.860 No.
00:19:15.120 Now, I don't know what they turned it to.
00:19:18.460 This is, this is coming from a friend of mine, but Skynet, it's either Skynet or Cyberdyne,
00:19:24.860 but I think it's Skynet.
00:19:26.700 Skynet is no longer the name of the, the evil system.
00:19:32.740 Okay.
00:19:33.940 Okay.
00:19:34.660 Now, why would you change some Skynet?
00:19:36.840 Everybody knows what Skynet is.
00:19:38.300 Right.
00:19:39.120 Why would you change that?
00:19:41.480 I was told that it is because again, that has Chinese money in it and they're doing,
00:19:48.960 now I know the United States has a Skynet thing that we use against terrorists, but apparently
00:19:54.780 Skynet, uh, in, in China is something, uh, you know, that has to do with their monitoring
00:20:03.820 system of the average person or their internet or something like that.
00:20:09.660 And so they didn't want to be known as Skynet, you know, the ones that have the Terminator.
00:20:15.940 So because of the Chinese money funding the movie, they rewrote part of, they rewrote
00:20:21.680 who the bad guy was.
00:20:23.500 That's amazing.
00:20:24.240 Isn't that crazy?
00:20:25.020 Yes.
00:20:26.460 I mean, wow.
00:20:28.700 Now, and, and like you said, if, if they're going to continue to accept the money from
00:20:34.380 China, that's going to change a lot of movies and a lot of plot lines and a lot of dialogue.
00:20:39.400 How, how often is this going to happen in American movies?
00:20:42.940 You're going to have a massive Chinese influence now, especially as the United States becomes
00:20:47.680 more and more unpopular.
00:20:49.220 We're not standing up for what we are supposed to stand up for.
00:20:53.420 How long before the American stories are completely lost?
00:20:58.700 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:21:02.160 Hey, it's Glenn.
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00:21:33.860 Paul Jelley is a friend of mine and he's the pastor of the New Testament Church of Cedarville
00:21:39.700 that I attended yesterday.
00:21:42.480 And he is also one of the guys, you're not, are you the head guy of the Plymouth Rock
00:21:48.300 Foundation?
00:21:48.980 Yeah, president of the Plymouth Rock Foundation.
00:21:50.820 And you, tell me your story quickly.
00:21:54.280 You, you grew up here?
00:21:56.640 Actually, I grew up in New Jersey, but my father, I was born in Massachusetts, but then
00:22:00.800 my father, who was a pastor, he moved us back here into New England and Massachusetts.
00:22:07.800 Because you don't have that.
00:22:08.180 So I attended high school here in Massachusetts.
00:22:10.600 You don't have that chowder kind of, which is really heavy around here.
00:22:16.780 So you, you got engaged with the, the pilgrims when you were young.
00:22:25.360 And I was thinking about this the other day, we've almost lost everything about the pilgrims.
00:22:33.560 I mean, it's, they're just, they're images now, maybe, maybe on a storefront or a McDonald's
00:22:38.900 or something like that.
00:22:39.860 And even that image isn't necessarily accurate with the buckles and all the black hats.
00:22:44.340 Right.
00:22:45.520 These guys, they came over here for a couple of reasons and they changed the world.
00:22:54.040 They really changed the world.
00:22:55.900 Can you tell the story of, of the pilgrims?
00:22:58.500 I mean, when I first, when I first was given some primary source documents and books on the
00:23:02.860 pilgrims by my mentor, my initial mentor, John Talcott here in Plymouth, I told him, I don't
00:23:09.060 really like history.
00:23:10.060 So I, no, thank you.
00:23:11.960 Yeah.
00:23:12.300 And then of course, when he looked at me and he said, no, you really should read this.
00:23:15.600 Then I started to read it.
00:23:17.040 And I think what amazed me was to read the literary prose of William Bradford, to read the diary,
00:23:24.440 Mort's relation, to eventually then read good news from new England by Edward Winslow.
00:23:29.320 And, and these different books, when you're reading this, you're realizing, gee, this, this
00:23:33.900 is their words.
00:23:34.780 This is exactly what they believe.
00:23:36.180 And it was nothing I'd ever learned in high school, nothing I'd ever learned in elementary
00:23:40.400 school.
00:23:40.840 They were very learned people.
00:23:42.580 If I'm not mistaken, William Bradford brought more books over than, than were originally
00:23:48.180 that started Harvard.
00:23:50.280 Right.
00:23:50.680 I mean, they had, they had hundreds of books on, and when you think about the Mayflower,
00:23:54.180 when you think of the small amount of space you had to, for your family, for clothes, and
00:24:00.000 think about it, you're taking everything that you're going to own over here and you can't
00:24:03.500 take very much, you have maybe a small spot, and you're going to bring a books and, and
00:24:08.460 books in Latin and Portuguese and Spanish.
00:24:11.720 400 books was an enormous library.
00:24:14.760 Enormous.
00:24:15.120 Enormous.
00:24:15.660 And the thing is, and, and here you had them, very literate, and they were very ideological.
00:24:20.520 One of the things is they were really wrestling with ideas, ideas that would have tremendous
00:24:25.640 consequences.
00:24:26.540 Now, like anyone else, they did not probably, they couldn't foresee what kind of ideas would
00:24:32.800 do in consequences, but they knew they had to deal with those because ideas do have consequences
00:24:38.700 and they change history.
00:24:39.620 So they were over, they're English, and they're over in England, and the Reformation is just 0.96
00:24:47.500 starting where before you couldn't read the Bible yourself in your own native tongue.
00:24:53.760 You had to go to a priest.
00:24:56.220 It was the Anglican Church that was really a government, you know, the, the king or the
00:25:02.680 queen is the, is the head of the church.
00:25:04.360 King James is the head of the church.
00:25:05.160 Right, and, and heresy, anytime you were standing against it, you were burned at the stake.
00:25:11.800 So they leave and they go to Holland, right? 0.57
00:25:15.060 Right.
00:25:15.500 And, you know, the pilgrims, the interesting part about it is they initially wanted to be
00:25:19.420 able to get along like anybody else and do the best that they could.
00:25:22.040 But even John Robinson, who became their leader, he was the pastor of an Anglican congregation.
00:25:28.260 In fact, he started to see his ideas for following the scriptures just conflicted with the hierarchy
00:25:33.820 and the whole idea of determining whether someone is a heretic or not was all done by, backed
00:25:39.200 by the state and backed by this, this whole idea that you, you had the terrible consequences
00:25:45.400 if you disagreed.
00:25:46.300 And, and here are these ideas that would eventually bring great liberty of conscience and civil
00:25:51.760 liberty beyond just religious liberty.
00:25:53.640 And yet at the same time, it would take years to do that.
00:25:57.940 So here you have these individuals wrestling with it.
00:26:00.380 One of John Robinson's big wrestling matches when he was pastoring an Anglican church, he
00:26:05.440 said, he said, why he used this kind of poetic language, why the church is married to the
00:26:09.760 state.
00:26:10.780 It's not married to Christ. 0.87
00:26:12.160 It has no freedom.
00:26:13.840 And he actually.
00:26:14.980 You couldn't say that Christ led the church.
00:26:17.160 Right.
00:26:17.460 Because the king did.
00:26:18.900 Exactly.
00:26:19.300 And, and the king, and especially King James was very learned, he said, when I speak, it's
00:26:24.240 the law I'm speaking, I'm speaking to you by the power of the Holy spirit.
00:26:28.560 And, uh, you know, you have to be aware when someone says they're picking, speaking by the
00:26:31.880 power of the Holy spirit.
00:26:32.560 And they also have the sword backing them up and, and force.
00:26:37.120 And that's, that's hardly voluntary.
00:26:39.260 Usually the ones who speak for the spirit are the, the, uh, the ones like King or Gandhi,
00:26:45.520 somebody, Jesus, somebody who's really, really not a friend of power.
00:26:51.360 Exactly.
00:26:52.060 And, and, and we'll eventually decentralize power.
00:26:55.040 Correct.
00:26:55.440 And that's what is so threatening.
00:26:57.240 And so you have these, these pilgrims and they begin to wrestle with this.
00:27:01.060 John Robinson, when he debates with the Anglican bishops after he's even left and gone to Holland
00:27:06.460 and into eventually into Leiden, he would reason this way and say, wait a minute, uh, this
00:27:11.820 is not the way it is.
00:27:12.600 The government actually comes from the inside out.
00:27:15.540 It's actually self-government.
00:27:16.980 That's the rule.
00:27:18.180 And this is just, this is threatening the power and the hierarchy.
00:27:21.260 This is, this is 150 years before we're around.
00:27:27.140 I mean, before the, I mean, this is the germ of the idea.
00:27:32.160 And you have to realize that now these pilgrims, when they're reasoning together and being taught
00:27:35.660 by John Robinson to think and reason from principles, it's, uh, they're only a small,
00:27:40.660 tiny remnant that's mocked and they're called separatists because they're mocking them, not
00:27:45.480 because they're complimenting them.
00:27:47.020 Uh, they're the ones who would separate from the church.
00:27:48.980 In fact, uh, the interesting thing, when you read the bishops writings and letters to
00:27:53.480 them, he said, why God has given you such grace and such benefit and, and liberty granted
00:27:59.600 to you by the King.
00:28:00.600 Why do you throw that all away and start original thinking and thinking on your own, this whole
00:28:07.280 idea that to think and to reason, to come up with ideas that others may not have held
00:28:12.600 was just anathema.
00:28:14.300 So it doesn't seem like they were thinking people because they, they're growing in Holland.
00:28:20.320 Things are going fairly well for them.
00:28:22.540 They have about 500 people, you know, 300, maybe 325 in their church in Leiden.
00:28:28.360 Okay.
00:28:28.700 So they have the, you know, that's, it's, it's growing.
00:28:31.480 Yes.
00:28:31.900 Uh, and, uh, for some reason, you know, we had Tim Ballard here this weekend and he was,
00:28:38.860 uh, he just came back from Leiden Holland and, uh, was talking to the scholars there and they
00:28:43.620 said, well, they probably left because, so, you know, there was a recession coming.
00:28:47.380 They didn't come here for a recession.
00:28:50.520 Why would you leave your home that was comfortable because of a recession, even a war when you
00:28:58.080 were coming to America and it was almost certain death?
00:29:01.380 Yeah.
00:29:01.820 You know, you think about the reasons and Bradford gives the reasons in his up Plymouth plantation
00:29:05.700 and they talk about the truce was ending with Spain and by 1620.
00:29:10.140 And that was a big problem because, uh, they were in Leiden and that when that truce would
00:29:14.780 end, there would be more problems with the Spanish.
00:29:16.680 Also, not only was that a problem, but they said their, their children were getting on
00:29:21.180 in their years.
00:29:21.760 They were getting older, but the real crux of why they came Bradford gives in this poetic
00:29:27.620 phrase, he said, lastly, but which was not least.
00:29:30.520 In fact, this was the most important, a great zeal they had of propagating and advancing the
00:29:35.800 gospel of the kingdom of Christ into those remote parts of the world.
00:29:39.260 Yay.
00:29:39.480 Though we would be even as stepping stones unto others for the performing of so great a work.
00:29:44.200 Think about that phrase.
00:29:45.660 It's written later.
00:29:47.080 Bradford writes it about 10 years afterwards, about 1630, probably a little later than that.
00:29:51.760 And yet you see the, um, the looking at this whole situation.
00:29:56.260 They were coming for a motive to advance the gospel of the kingdom.
00:30:00.480 And it was different than, for instance, there was an argument in the 1850s between, uh, those
00:30:07.600 who said really Jamestown was the cornerstone of America and others that said it was Plymouth
00:30:13.120 and Jamestown was a religious group as well.
00:30:17.240 They had some, they had some very strong pastors, Pastor Hunt and others that came.
00:30:20.920 And it had some real characters on that.
00:30:22.680 Right.
00:30:23.040 And it was, it was a, it was to come for God, but also come for gold and, and everything else.
00:30:32.600 This one was not coming for gold.
00:30:35.640 Well, you think of the difference, the difference, cause we like to point out both the positive
00:30:39.400 and both.
00:30:39.920 You both had, you had a national experience with a national religion being planted in Jamestown.
00:30:45.140 You have something very local, very personal and intimate here in Plymouth.
00:30:50.020 Beyond local, it was, it was all about families.
00:30:53.660 But also you recognize that here in Plymouth, this was a church plant.
00:30:58.060 You see, in Jamestown, it was a national plant.
00:31:00.400 It was a replica of the, let's say, church.
00:31:03.340 And though they did have the, their assembly in 1619, there are a lot of things that take
00:31:07.760 place in Jamestown prior to Plymouth.
00:31:09.620 And they have a lot of firsts.
00:31:11.380 What we have in Plymouth is unique because this is where, this was a church plant.
00:31:17.000 Without the Leiden congregation sending about 75 people over to the new world and not even
00:31:23.160 75 were able to come.
00:31:24.440 Some returned when the speed well was springing leaks, being overmasted by the captain.
00:31:28.960 And what, at least from what Bradford has written that they believe happened, that they
00:31:34.500 came here.
00:31:35.480 So their, their hunger for religious purposes, and you have to look at the wider context of
00:31:39.620 history at the time.
00:31:40.320 All the explorations that are taking place at the time, whether it's the Portuguese, Spanish,
00:31:45.440 or anyone else, is under this doctrine of discovery, which is basically you go in and
00:31:49.980 you take over the land, you take over the people, and then you dominate them, make them your 1.00
00:31:54.700 slaves, and then introduce Christ.
00:31:56.720 Well, this is, this is now because they're so dependent on you.
00:32:00.020 There was this, this conquering mode where you have the, the pilgrims and Robinson's teaching
00:32:05.160 of them.
00:32:05.680 And now they're not going to stop on any exploration like this.
00:32:09.540 You're going to have some hotheads on your group.
00:32:11.080 You're going to have.
00:32:11.380 Right.
00:32:11.520 And there was a group on the, on the Mayflower called the strangers.
00:32:14.800 Yeah.
00:32:15.060 They were not part of the Leiden congregation, but the Leiden congregation is the one pioneering
00:32:19.620 the motive for coming.
00:32:20.740 And that motive is to serve.
00:32:22.420 That motive is to bless.
00:32:24.100 That motive is something that was trained into them.
00:32:28.260 It was a different, it was a remnant movement.
00:32:30.720 So I want to, I want to take a quick break and then we're going to come back and start
00:32:33.700 there because this was a socialist idea.
00:32:36.340 At first it was a socialist idea and they had a ton of firsts here in America that were
00:32:43.980 really important that if we know about them today, we can correct the path that we're
00:32:50.540 on.
00:32:50.880 We're, um, at the Leiden, the Leiden house, uh, now in Plymouth, Massachusetts.
00:32:57.140 And I, I, I'm here for a reason.
00:33:00.140 And that is the 400th anniversary of the landing of the pilgrims is happening in 2020.
00:33:06.380 There's some events going on that I want you to know about next week.
00:33:10.200 There is this amazing parade put on by the, uh, Plymouth rock foundation.
00:33:14.880 Uh, and, uh, it's, it's history as it has traditionally been told and is really, uh, being lost.
00:33:26.740 And they started this about 20 years ago and it has exploded.
00:33:31.180 There's about a quarter of a million people now that come into this town, little teeny town
00:33:35.680 just for this parade.
00:33:36.980 And if you're anywhere near the area next week, you need to come.
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00:34:04.080 We're in Plymouth, Massachusetts.
00:34:06.340 Uh, not the place to be necessarily be in the winter, but I thank you for that.
00:34:10.940 Um, I want to introduce you to a couple of people.
00:34:13.360 Um, first, let me introduce you to Oli, uh, DeMocito.
00:34:17.980 I met Oli yesterday.
00:34:20.220 Uh, and, and I want you to, as you're listening in your car, wherever you are, I want you just
00:34:25.960 to realize this, this segment is about the impact of two normal people just like you who
00:34:34.120 just wasn't necessarily thinking big.
00:34:37.420 They thought small.
00:34:38.660 What is it I'm supposed to do?
00:34:39.960 And the results are huge.
00:34:41.760 Um, I also want to introduce, uh, introduce you, uh, to, uh, Beth Pereira.
00:34:47.880 She and her husband, uh, own this building that we're in now, this plot number one, this
00:34:54.380 beautiful home right across the street from Plymouth rock.
00:34:58.180 Um, and you felt compelled to do what you're doing first.
00:35:01.760 Let me start with you, Oli, cause you are, I went to these, these float barns, uh, where
00:35:08.160 you are building these floats and every year this, this parade tells a different story,
00:35:13.660 right?
00:35:14.560 Exactly.
00:35:14.960 How long have you been doing this?
00:35:16.340 I've been doing it for roughly 25 years, pretty much.
00:35:19.280 And, um, and it, uh, you're right.
00:35:21.420 It started, we kind of took it over at a certain time, but you know, I've always had a passion
00:35:25.460 for history, you know, but, uh, and I had a more of a passion for America.
00:35:29.820 You know, I immigrated here as a child.
00:35:31.160 So coming to him, coming to America when I was a little kid, it was like coming to heaven.
00:35:35.360 Actually, it was how we felt.
00:35:36.820 How old were you?
00:35:37.440 I was seven years old.
00:35:38.460 And you came from Cape Verde, which is on the West coast of Africa, these little islands,
00:35:42.040 they're Portuguese islands.
00:35:43.080 And, uh, and so it was a big deal for my family to immigrate here.
00:35:46.720 And, uh, I remember getting on a ship and, uh, starting the, you know, the voyage over
00:35:51.880 here and how difficult it was and throwing up the whole way.
00:35:54.520 But, uh, but to us, the opportunity that what everyone knew in Cape Verde was America was
00:36:00.820 the place.
00:36:01.540 And, and why, why, well, because, well, first of all, you want to get four years of education
00:36:05.440 over there is very difficult, you know, for one of my older brothers to go to a different
00:36:08.900 Island to get high school education was more than my father made in a whole month.
00:36:12.700 So it was impossible.
00:36:13.620 So my mother's dream was to educate her children.
00:36:15.860 And so all of us have been educated college and so on.
00:36:18.980 And we wanted the American dream like everybody else.
00:36:21.060 It's like, my story's not unlike anyone else's stories.
00:36:24.520 But I just, you know, uh, I have a passion for why America is America and what America
00:36:30.460 has represented for so many, uh, for so long.
00:36:33.920 Why is America America?
00:36:35.120 Uh, America is America because it's, it's an idea and it's an idea that not only for me
00:36:40.540 as a Christian, I really believe that, you know, it was in God's sight to see that America
00:36:45.280 would be, there was a reason for it.
00:36:47.020 There's a reason why America exists and existed for so many things.
00:36:50.360 Uh, America has totally changed the whole makeup of the world.
00:36:53.520 The world's a different place because America's existed. 0.99
00:36:55.860 And so to me, and I don't, because the idea existed and, and we've never accomplished fully
00:37:02.120 accomplished the idea.
00:37:03.180 And the idea is all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable
00:37:07.240 rights among these right life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
00:37:09.800 Because we've never, we've never completed that.
00:37:13.140 And it's crazy to think that the arrogance to think you come up with a better mission
00:37:19.400 statement for a country than that, especially when we've not gotten close to even completing
00:37:24.500 that yet.
00:37:25.060 That's because we're in the, we're a part of that process.
00:37:28.280 And that's what holds up most of the time.
00:37:30.020 Right.
00:37:30.500 But, uh, but it's, it's a great idea.
00:37:32.400 Like for us, for my family was really, we can go to a place where every dream can be realized.
00:37:37.720 And I mean that sincerely.
00:37:38.760 I mean, my dad didn't have anything.
00:37:40.960 My mom didn't have anything, but we knew that in America, we had a chance and it goes
00:37:45.620 deep with inside me.
00:37:46.980 I have a passion for what I do when we celebrate the parade and we tell America a story because
00:37:51.000 I believe that no one should forget why America exists and why it continues to exist.
00:37:57.380 And we cannot forget so that we don't allow for what, why it exists to go away.
00:38:02.600 So other people and other generation can be benefactors.
00:38:05.980 I want my children, I want my children's children to be able to know, uh, why their granddad,
00:38:11.900 you know, or their great granddad made the voyage to come here.
00:38:15.140 There was a reason I wanted to be free.
00:38:16.680 And at that time I didn't even really understand what freedom was, but I soon began to understand
00:38:21.080 what freedom was and it wasn't easy.
00:38:22.600 So you are, we met at the parade barn or the, the float barn where you are making these
00:38:28.480 incredible, you were so funny yesterday because I drove up and I saw one of these floats that
00:38:32.640 was out of the barn that you're still working on.
00:38:34.900 And I said to whomever was in the car, I said, maybe it was you, Beth.
00:38:39.200 I said, uh, look, that, that, is that the golden spike?
00:38:42.640 And when I met you and you said, and we're working on some things and, and, and this is
00:38:46.660 you know, represents the golden spike.
00:38:48.340 I don't know if you can see it.
00:38:49.280 And I'm like, yeah, it looks just like the picture, dude.
00:38:51.820 I mean, there's these two big trains that you have built on the back of this float and
00:38:57.620 you tell, what is the theme this year with the parade?
00:39:00.060 Well, the theme usually always with the parade, it's prosperity, but the theme with the parade
00:39:03.940 is always is telling the great moments in history where the nation paused to give thanks Thanksgiving.
00:39:10.620 So, and I believe anytime we had great accomplishment, like we also having the Apollo 11 this year,
00:39:16.060 when, when this nation has done great things, we're doing D day this year, when we've accomplished
00:39:20.760 things that are far beyond what people can even imagine.
00:39:23.380 I think the nation said, thank you, Lord, that we've been able to do these things.
00:39:26.840 I mean, that was a big deal a hundred, 150 years ago to have the West meet East, you
00:39:30.700 know, there's a huge deal, but this is not something that there's no corporation behind
00:39:35.380 this.
00:39:35.840 There's no big money behind this.
00:39:37.760 There's no big people behind this.
00:39:40.360 It's just you and your church and some other, and it's like a real parade.
00:39:46.000 It's, I mean, it's like real.
00:39:48.820 It's not one of these, ah, yeah, we, you know, dressed up the back of our pickup truck.
00:39:52.960 This is real.
00:39:53.860 Yeah, no, it's, it's legit and, you know, we're, we're obviously the whole nation has
00:39:57.720 taken notice of what we do.
00:39:58.920 And I think what we do is that we're different because we do tell a story.
00:40:02.040 And one of the things that I've always enjoyed by you, you're a storyteller and I'm a storyteller
00:40:05.680 and I do the stories though, in a parade, I let the people know the greatness of this
00:40:10.240 land and why we so appreciate it and why so many appreciate it.
00:40:13.680 And we do it every year differently with different events or different historic events or anniversaries
00:40:18.320 that tell a wonderful story and it's knit together by normal people.
00:40:22.260 You're right.
00:40:22.760 Just like there's like everybody there, nobody's getting paid.
00:40:25.860 That's right.
00:40:26.240 Nobody knows who they are.
00:40:27.400 Nobody knows their names half the time, but the product is excellent.
00:40:30.840 And the story is even better.
00:40:32.560 I have to tell you, you, I went through your barn and I, what did I say to you?
00:40:37.160 Would you come and build a Zeppelin for me because I can't get somebody, that quality
00:40:42.460 that you have done on these floats is beautiful, just beautiful.
00:40:46.100 So I know you have to go back to work and you're, you're lovely in that outfit.
00:40:50.360 Thank you.
00:40:50.820 Do you change?
00:40:51.520 Do you get a change?
00:40:52.560 I do.
00:40:52.920 My wife, she puts up stuff for me, but sometimes I just, I sleep in my clothes to get up the
00:40:56.740 next morning and do it.
00:40:57.580 Sometimes we go through the night for the next day.
00:40:59.820 We're not done to complete it, but it's, it's.
00:41:02.000 When is the parade?
00:41:02.880 Is it this Saturday?
00:41:03.620 This Saturday.
00:41:04.480 It's always the Saturday before Thanksgiving for the main reason that we want people to
00:41:08.260 still enjoy their, their grandmas and their uncles on Thanksgiving day.
00:41:12.160 We don't want them to be away from their family Thanksgiving day.
00:41:14.040 So we do it the weekend before and you have all the stuff and the excitement of it all,
00:41:18.120 but at the same time you get to be with your family.
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