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When Donald Trump says he has 45 minutes to spare, you make the time to talk to him. You're going to hear part of what he had to say, but make sure to hear the full comments. Also, Spencer Clavin joins me on the program to talk about how science is actually pushing us back closer to God and not away from him.
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On today's podcast, when Donald Trump says he's got 45 minutes to spare, you make the time to talk to him.
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You're going to hear part of what he had to say, but make sure to hear the full comments, all three segments.
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Also, Spencer Clavin joins me on the program to talk about how science is actually pushing us back closer to God and not away from him.
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Also, available on the full podcast, you'll hear the first installment of what we hope you send your friends who may be undecided voters.
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You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.
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So yesterday, I'm on the phone with the president, and he says, President Trump, not the other one.
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Who is the other one, by the way? Do we know yet?
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We talked about everything in this interview, and this is just spur of the moment.
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We were talking about an interview for next week, and he's like, I've got time.
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Anyway, we talk about the hurricane Elon Musk, the people that are surrounding Kamala Harris, election cheating, Bill Clinton and the illegal immigrants with Lake and Riley, Tim Walsh's shotgun experience, the broken teleprompter of Kamala, the possibility of nuclear war, China's handling of COVID.
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It'll run in three segments, this one, and then next hour, two more segments.
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I hear you just got off the phone with Elon Musk.
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When I saw that rocket ship come down yesterday, I said, you got to be kidding.
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We were talking, I think he is one of the great, I mean, Steve Jobs maybe is in his category.
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I don't think that, I think he's the greatest mind and, and not theoretical, actually doing stuff in my lifetime.
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He thinks it's the most important election ever.
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So, are you, have you been serious about allowing him to go in and look for cuts and everything?
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I'm trying to figure out how to see a better businessman or essentially scientist.
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He feels that there's tremendous fraud, waste, and abuse.
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He feels it's there and, you know, he could save, he could save a lot of money and, and, and make lives better.
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You get more for the buck, but he feels so straight.
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He doesn't want to be in the cabinet or anything.
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He wouldn't want to do that, but he would like to do something having to do with the budget.
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I mean, the way he runs his companies, I mean, it's tremendous.
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Without making any dent to, you know, and make people's lives better, actually.
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It, it, it really is, is such a statement that he's probably the, the most effective person
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on the planet of looking over the horizon and then bringing tomorrow into today.
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Uh, and the, and the left, because he likes you, he is, I mean, they just, they will shut
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They'll try, but he's hard to shut down because he's so advanced.
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So he had Starlink and in North Carolina, they called us or any way you could call and
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some great people in North Carolina are suffering and you know, they have no communications whatsoever.
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And I got, I called him and he was, I didn't know much about Starlink other than it's supposed
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And, uh, I called him and he added to them immediately.
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Now they delayed him, you know, they delayed him.
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We were, they put a, they put a hold on what he did.
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I think we were running, uh, 50 helicopters and we had it all, uh, you know, I mean, we
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We were there with Elon's guy when they started jerking his chain.
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They even came in and tried to shut us down and our guy looked and said, you know, you
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If you were here maybe a week ago, sure, but we're not shutting down.
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I mean, it's, it was really tragic what they did.
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And I think in a league with Katrina, which was pretty bad.
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And they have to stop people, private people like you, you go in with helicopters, you want
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It's, and, uh, they're not, they didn't let them do it.
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You know, you can do things, but they didn't let them do it.
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I think that's, I think that's one of the biggest things.
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That, uh, you know, when you say we're going to take our country back, one of the biggest
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things that I miss is the, the ability to just do things that you feel are right, that
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are legal, but to just take control of your own life.
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The, the government has grown, grown so far out of control.
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They've done things that, and you know, it's interesting because the people aren't very
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smart, you know, the people on top, but it's a group of people not on top.
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They are smart and they're vicious and they're fascists and everything else you can be.
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I mean, sometime historians will look back and say, this was a genius.
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Well, I think it's a, it's a committee of people and they might not even know who the
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It's a group of people at, uh, that are in different levels of DC and, uh, they surround
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a man that was not, uh, the most capable person, by the way, never was, but certainly not anymore.
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You've heard that many times talk about it, but she's further left than, uh, Pocahontas.
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Pocahontas is probably further left than Bernie.
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I think, I don't know how you, how you rate him.
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But, but if you think about it, uh, you know, we have some people and she is considered
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the most left in, in the entire Senate and not the smartest and not by any means the
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But she is, I mean, when you say she's worse, I mean, we were talking yesterday to Mike Lee
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about, uh, you know, her centerpiece legislation when she was in the Senate, which I think was
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And it just dismantles religious freedom, just entirely dismantles it.
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You know, when, when we, we were in a group together for the audience to know, we were,
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we spent a lot of time yesterday with the latter day saints and some incredible people and people
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And she's against religion and it's in her butt, it's in her bones.
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Like we were talking about, uh, not so much Utah cause we have such a big lead there, but
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we were talking about, uh, Arizona and, uh, you know, you take a look at Arizona and, uh,
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I would certainly say, uh, Nevada and you have a lot of latter day saints, Mormons in those
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And if we got, I think we're at 88%, I mean, if we got 1% more or 2% more, uh, this whole
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country would turn around because if we won those two, we would be in awfully good shape
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So we spent time together and it was, it was great.
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And when I mentioned your name, I will say, I mentioned Glenn's name, everyone in the
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I mean, I, you know, you at one point leaned over to me and said, what's your gut say?
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Uh, and you know, the, you know, the figures better than I do.
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So my gut says, uh, you're accelerating at exactly the right time.
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And as I said to you, but for cheating, uh, but the biggest risk, you told me that we've
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made a lot of good headroom or headway on that.
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Well, I think just by nature of that, we don't have COVID, they use COVID to cheat and, uh,
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they did so many things, so many different things, but just the fact that they didn't
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get legislative approval, I mean, that's, you don't have to go any further than that.
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They'd actually go for legislative approval, not get it, you know, like, let's say it's
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Now that number one, uh, that in itself makes it better now, but, uh, they're a very devious
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group and you know it better than maybe anybody.
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A lot of people, uh, they're afraid to talk about it.
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No, it's, uh, well, once you've been threatened by George Soros, once you've been threatened
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by George Soros, it kind of just, everything else is kind of, you know, I see his man Gascon
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is down by 30 points in a poll, which is so crazy.
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Kamala Harris is cut from that exact same cloth.
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Oh, that's a, that's a way of talking about it.
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You know, uh, I had a, uh, a tremendous rally the night before, night before yesterday,
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And I say, if we had a honest election, if we had God coming down to be our vote counter,
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wouldn't that be great if we could ask God to do it?
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That would be the ultimate vote counter, right?
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Because you'd, you'd have honesty, but if we had God come down, I, I think I'd do great.
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You know, they send out like 38 million ballots or 36 million ballots.
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They go all over the place and then they come pouring back.
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And it's, you know, when you go and vote into a really good solid state where you have
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a real, and they look at you and they want your ID, even if you're Trump, they say, sir,
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You know, they, there's no, you really can't get away with anything.
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They have, uh, paper ballots and they have voter ID and everything else, right?
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Have you, have you talked to Elon Musk about this?
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Because I think with, I mean, you know, this, we can transfer billions of dollars and not
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How come we can't get the technology to lock this into place, especially with blockchain?
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So Elon is the number one person for mechanical devices, including computers.
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Well, and yet he says the only way to do it really safely is with paper ballots, you know,
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He said, I consider myself to be the world's greatest expert on all such things as this
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When you look at that rocket, the way it landed, I'd certainly put him in number one place.
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And, and he's, you know, he's, uh, he's concerned because those, you can make things swing and
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He said, but you can't do it with paper ballots when you, you know, they have, believe it or
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I mean, you know, very highly amazing that, you know, when you hear paper, but it's very
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So, but the voter ID is very important and they don't now in California, as you know, better
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than I do, because you talk about it a lot, but the California thing is amazing with Gavin
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Newsom, where you're not even allowed to ask somebody whether or not they have voter ID.
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If you do, I think it's like a criminal act or something.
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You and I were talking the other day about the hidden Trump vote.
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And I want to ask you your thoughts on something.
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I think there's actually a hidden Trump vote that is going to come from Democrats because
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They taught them, shut your mouth and just go along with it.
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And I think reasonable Democrats are going, this doesn't work.
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I don't want my kids being talked to by, you know, a teacher in secret.
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And I think there's a slice of the Democrats that might tell everybody they're for Kamala,
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So I think the biggest thing, you know, you see the polls and the polls have the economy,
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I think the inflation and economy, you can wrap them up into one.
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I actually think, and I may be wrong, but, you know, not wrong by much.
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I think the biggest thing that people are going to be looking at and voting on is what's
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happening at our border where murderers are allowed to come in and where drug dealers
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are allowed to come in and just destroy our country, literally destroy it.
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And inflation is a destroyer of a country, too, but it's a different kind of a, it's
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It's not as mean, not as mean as having guys coming in with machine guns.
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Well, I was going to say, I don't know if you've heard this yet.
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This is Bill Clinton today talking about Lake and Riley.
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You had a case in Georgia not very long ago, didn't you?
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They made an ad about a young woman who'd been killed by an immigrant.
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Yeah, well, if they'd all been properly vetted, that probably wouldn't have happened.
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But if they all properly vetted and that doesn't happen and America is not having enough babies
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So we need immigrants that have been vetted to do work.
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I mean, he sounds like he's campaigning for you.
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You see, that's probably where they're going because they were for open borders, no talk.
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Anybody comes in, just walk right into our country, which is insane.
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And now all of a sudden you're hearing people talking about, well, you know, we need people
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to come in and come in, but the damage has been done.
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You have to say that we have 21 million people came in.
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Hundreds of thousands of those people are from prisons and from gangs and drug lords and human
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So we have a problem before he's a little late in saying it because we have a big problem.
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We have people in our country that are going to be murdering a lot of people.
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What happened to her is just horrible, but you have many, many, many cases like that.
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Some you don't hear about, but they're, they're Aurora is really bad.
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When you look at what these Venezuelan street gangs have done, they've formed and they've
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taken over buildings, beautiful buildings in, in a very good place.
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And they're basically in the real estate business, you know, they've taken them over with machine
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J.D. Vance was talking to Martha Raddatz, by the way, brilliant pick.
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And she, he says, Martha, are you listening to yourself?
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If you think this little problem is, uh, is, is little, there are Venezuelan gangs that are
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It's amazing what these people will try to excuse.
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When you say it, J.D.'s been great, by the way.
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And as good as he's been, Waltz, on the other side, I mean, is this man even a little intelligent?
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I know your, I know your son, I know, I know your son is a hunter.
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You have to ask him, play that video of him trying to load the shotgun.
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I swear to you, I mean, I'm, I'm fairly decent with guns.
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It was a horrible, I think it was a horrible pick.
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Now we'll see how it works out on November 5th, because one way or the other, if they,
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if they won, I guess he wasn't a horrible pick.
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But when I heard that they picked him, I couldn't believe it.
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And he's only gotten worse and she's gotten worse.
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Biden was, is superior and they're fighting like cats and dogs.
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No, well, he, he's angry because he got 14 million votes and he was thrown out.
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He, this, this was an overthrow of a president.
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This was an overthrow of an American president.
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And they came to see him and they said, we want you out.
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And you know, the truth is he looks better than he ever did.
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He looks better than he did for, for five years.
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Somehow he didn't play well as president, but he does play well.
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The way he's playing against, like with Ron, Ron DeSantis in Florida has done a good job.
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Very good on the hurricane, you know, tough job, but he's done a very good job.
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But the way he went at him and just got creamed and Biden was on Ron's side.
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It's, I know that's, you know, with that Bill Clinton clip, I'm just wondering, are they
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I think they're trying to steer a different path now.
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I think this thing has not worked in and we've had a very good run for three weeks and
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I would say if you've seen any, any candidate for high office change to, it would be a lot.
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Well, remember, uh, uh, John Kerry, I think changed one or two things and he became, you
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I mean, from fracking to crime, to this, to that, to borders, uh, we should see all of a
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But, but, uh, I've never seen anything like it.
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If you go back two years, just go back into, or just go back into their primaries and listen
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And now every one of those things have been thrown out.
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So I don't know, you know, I mean, let's see what happens.
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Um, but there's another thing that's called competence and, you know, she, they tried to
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threat to democracy with me and they tried it all.
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And I would have thought, I never thought I'd be saying it, but there's something going
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I mean, I watched her with a teleprompter, her teleprompter broke and she kept going.
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She was saying 32 as if, Hey, prompter person, I'm at the bottom of the page.
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You know, you can't sit there and you can't walk off the stage, right?
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But, but, uh, a teleprompter is one of the most unreliable pieces of equipment.
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I can't tell you sometimes like the crowd we had, we had, that was a big crowd the night
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before I had 101,000 people and you can lose those.
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So I, I think your teleprompters go out 5% of the time and two or 3% of the time where
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I mean, I've had a blow off the stage, you know, if it's windy, they're not very good
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If a teleprompter is moving, you can't, I don't use a teleprompter that much anyway, but
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But you've got to be, if you're going to be in politics, you have to be able to, if and
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when, cause it's when, but if and when the teleprompter goes, you know, there's, you've
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And she was frozen and she's lucky that thing came back because you know, it snapped back.
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I would have loved to see how she would have ended that.
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She was, she was at, she couldn't have done the 32 one more time.
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So what, what, uh, frightens at least me is she's not in control.
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And they're talking about changing our nuclear strategy with Russia.
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President, I mean, uh, you know, have you read, uh,
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I don't know how you would make the decision as president of the United States that quickly.
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When these people talk about global warming and they worry about the ocean's going to rise
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Now at the same time, I don't even like talking about nuclear.
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So, you know, during my administration, you probably never heard the word nuclear.
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I don't, I purposely, and now you're hearing it every single day.
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And that will be, uh, there will never have been anything like that.
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I hated to have to do the nuclear, but I did because we have no choice.
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We have five other countries now that are, as they say, nuclear capable.
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The truth is, I think I would have had a deal with Russia and with China to denuclearize
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But COVID came along and we had to fight that battle and we fought it well.
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Never got credit for it really, but we fought it well.
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We knocked out ISIS and got the biggest tax cuts and regulation cuts, all that, but I
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never got cut, you know, and nobody knew what this was.
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I got to tell you the way they, the way they say that you didn't do enough when they were
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And they, they called you a bigot and everything.
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And now they're saying you didn't close it fast enough.
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I mean, are we, do they really believe the American people are goldfish?
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I mean, for the same people, Nancy Pelosi, crazy Nancy, she was going crazy when I said
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if I didn't close it from China then, and you know what, there are 11 people in the room
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and I was the only one that said, I want to close and you had to close it.
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We would have lost probably a couple of million people more.
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And, and we really, I mean, we would have lost millions of people more had I not done that.
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That was a great move, but you know, nobody knew what this thing was and everybody got
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They, you know, proportionately a lot of, there was a lot of equals.
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China ended up getting hurt very late in the process.
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You know, it looked like China almost skirted the issue.
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It's, it's, it's, it's hurting it right now because what the, you know, they went through
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They locked them in and they welded the doors closed and they forgot or something happened.
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Can you believe that they welded them into their apartments and then they, uh, either forgot
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or something happened, but they didn't, uh, unwell them until it was too late.
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It's unbelievable, but that was a terrible thing.
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Uh, I have been bitching and complaining about the secret service for, well, since Obama,
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uh, we have, we have not been protecting our presidents, uh, rightly.
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I mean, my, my people have gotten around the secret service, uh, however, I will tell you
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this, this weekend, I have never seen anything like the security that you have around you
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Uh, and they said that you asked the president for, uh, uh, rocket launchers or something to
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protect your plane in case somebody shoots a rocket at the plane.
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Mm-hmm well, I, I better not get into it, but they have a very strong security around
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the plane security and, and they really, uh, I mean, they have to, uh, the one thing that
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we don't have is we haven't had a president saying if some country in Iran where there
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is actually a threat, uh, that if they do anything to not, it's not me, it's a president
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and a former president and now in leading in both parties to, to be president, if they
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do anything that you were going to obliterate the country, because when you say that, that's
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And other presidents have issued proc, you know, like proclamations, as you probably
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Uh, there were two or three of it issue that way where even rivals rivals were being threatened
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and, uh, certain presidents were able to get up and say, if you do this, we're going
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to hit you so hard that you won't have a country left.
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And when you do that, they tend to say, well, let's take a pass, right?
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But, uh, Biden is not, uh, is not, I guess, not willing to do that.
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I would say if, if he were, if it were reversed and I was where he was and it was, you know,
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You have to, you have to, you don't have a country.
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So scientific American has just, uh, endorsed a candidate.
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I want you to listen just to the opening two paragraphs in the November election.
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The new president offers the country, better prospects, relying on science, solid evidence,
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She pushes policies that boost good jobs nationwide by embracing technology and clean energy.
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She supports education, public health, and reproductive rights.
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She treats the climate crisis as the emergency it is and seeks to mitigate its catastrophic storms,
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In the other future, the new president endangers public health and safety and rejects evidence,
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preferring instead to nonsensical conspiracy fantasies.
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He ignores the climate crisis in favor of more pollution.
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He requires that federal officials show him personal loyalty rather than upholding U.S. laws.
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He fills positions in federal science and other agencies with unqualified ideologues.
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He goads people into hate and division, and he inspires extremists at state and local levels
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to pass laws that disrupt education and make it hard to earn a living.
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Spencer Clavin has just written a new book called Light of the Mind, Light of the World,
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How Science is Actually Leading Us Back to God and Not Away from Him.
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Well, thanks, and I want to guarantee you at the outset that unlike Kamala Harris,
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I actually did not copy-paste any passages into this book.
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So we have perverted science so much, it's become nothing but politics.
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And if I'm not mistaken, you know, I heard something from somebody the other day, and
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I did not know this, that the Big Bang Theory was actually rejected by scientists at the beginning
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It proved there was something before the Big Bang, and science didn't like it because
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Um, and now it's the, it's, it's sold as the opposite.
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Einstein was very worried about this when George Lemaitre, the sort of father of what's now
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known as Big Bang Theory, came to him with this idea of, he called it a day with no yesterday.
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It was extremely unsettling because many scientists had kind of bought into this narrative that in
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order to do science, in order to know the truth about reality and accept truth without superstition,
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They had to get rid of any notion of the divine or the transcendent.
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And I think if you follow that logic down to its conclusion, you actually end up with
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a purely materialist view of science that does fall prey to things like endorsing Kamala
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Harris for, for president or all the things we saw during.
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In this book, In Light of the Mind, Light of the World, I trace the history of how this
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It was not the idea of the original architects of the scientific revolution.
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Some of us in school were taught this story about a battle between the repressive church
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and the brave seekers of truth like Galileo, who had to fight against religion in order to
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The story I tell here is a story about faithful men seeking God's truth.
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Basically, all of the major figures who inaugurated the great age of science and modernity believed
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that they could know the universe because they believed that mankind was made in the image
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And for that reason, his mind was not just a random product of atoms bouncing around together.
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It was not just an accident that happened to emerge in one little tiny corner of a dark
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And we're not, as Stephen Hawking once claimed we were, we're not chemical scum on a tiny
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We're actually imprinted with the key to understanding creation.
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And that was the roadmap that the architects of science plotted out.
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Now, gradually, because the methods that they devised were so powerful, there were some
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people in the wake of the scientific revolution who wanted to claim that knowing the physical
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And that by understanding the mechanics of how material works, you could actually get rid of any need
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And I'm happy to report that in this case, we can actually blame the French, which is one of my
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It was, yeah, it was the, it was Pierre Simon Laplace, the great French astrophysicist who lived through
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the French revolution that was supposed to have said to Napoleon, I have no need of God as, as an
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And we shortly, in short order, not only in France, but also in, in Russia, we saw where that conviction
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We saw, as you say, the nihilism of believing in only material, which the scientific revolutionaries
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would never have endorsed, that nihilism leads to the raw imposition of power.
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Because if it's all just atoms bouncing around and there's no meaning or purpose, no higher
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morality, then you're just going to try to conform time and space itself to your political
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program, which is what they did in the French revolution.
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And that's part of the story that I tell in this book too.
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But the really important thing that we haven't yet fully grappled with or understood is that
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even if it once looked plausible to say the thinkers of the Enlightenment, that you might
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And even though we've been stuck with that narrative for so long, we grew up with it in
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school, science itself no longer supports that idea.
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So if you really want to follow the science, you actually need to do a hard reset on this
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presupposition we have that science and faith are inherently against one another.
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The discoveries of cosmology, as you indicated, Glenn, also the quantum revolution at the
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turn of the 20th century has totally upended our mechanistic idea of the universe and taught
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us some things that look a lot like the book of Genesis.
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They've suggested, for instance, that human consciousness has a unique or at least a highly
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important role to play in constituting reality.
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And perhaps even that there's no such thing as a meaningful concept of matter without mind,
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without some kind of observing principle or, dare I say, some sort of mind to speak the
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universe into existence, to see it and call it good.
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So all of this is waiting there for us to take stock of.
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And if we don't, of course, you know, we'll end up in service to Craven political project.
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I have to tell you, you know, the Nobel Prize in physics just went to two AI scientists and
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AI, if we don't decide that life, human life is different and that there is mind with a
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capital N, M, we're going to be very, very lost because there are going to come a time
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quickly where people will like, well, no, that's life.
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I mean, it's got to be life because it talks to me.
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And then we're going down a, we're going down a, a hole that you just do not want to travel
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Oh, I mean, I don't know if you saw that movie, Her with, uh, I think it was Scarlett Johansson,
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but that, that wasn't supposed to be a prescription.
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And, you know, Alan Turing, the, one of the sort of real forefathers of modern computing,
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if not the originator of the computer, he wrote a famous paper in 1950 that's now become
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And of course, this is a brilliant mathematician.
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So it's not that he was a, it was a dumb guy, but he was in hock to this very idea that
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if a computer can fake being human, then it is human.
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And why did he think that, which from my view, this is exactly backwards.
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Well, he believed that human beings are nothing more than machines for turning inputs into
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We are effectively calculating machines ourselves.
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And the only thing that we can know about ourselves is that we take in stimulus from
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the outside world and we turn out things that look like thoughts and emotions.
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So if a computer can do that, well, it's doing what, what we do, but what's the logical next
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Well, if we're machines, if we're computers, we're very primitive first gen computers.
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We definitely need an update because we were randomly formed, it's supposed by some, you
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It's only equipped to deal with our immediate surroundings.
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And why should we expect to endure beyond the advent of these computers, which can do so much
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But of course, we all know that calculation isn't the point of life.
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We live knowing that the human experience of things is itself irreducibly important.
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And that if you take that away, who cares what a machine can do?
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So these are all things that we are being forced now to grapple with.
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And you can hear it in the way that these guys talk about their technology.
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Eliezer Yudkowsky, one of the major sort of thinkers in the AI sphere, published an essay
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where he said, you know, the AI doesn't love you.
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You're just made of atoms that it can use for something else.
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And if that's what we think of ourselves, then of course, that's what we're going to
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Spencer Clavin, all of his books are just tremendous, deep, deep thinker.
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And this one's really important, Light of the Mind, Light of the World by Spencer Clavin.
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You can follow Spencer on Twitter, at Spencer Clavin.
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Or you can see his website, rejoiceevermore.substack.com.