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The story of a Chinese spy balloon being shot down over the Atlantic Ocean by the U.S. government is a story you ve heard many times before, but this time, the details are a little different. Glenn Beck and his co-hosts discuss what happened, and why it happened.
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great podcast uh today we start with the balloon uh and uh china and the just i mean it's a
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ridiculous story just a ridiculous story um what does it really mean why should you even care about
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that and then later on in the podcast richard gunnell calls in he's a former director of
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national uh intelligence uh and is quoted in the news this weekend they're trying to brief him
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on uh well you know we found some stuff and put it together and it looks like this happened with
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trump too and we're trying to get a hold and and brief them on it and he's like a hard pass
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uh on the liars coming to the house and telling me these stories uh but he had a fascinating story
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about what did and didn't happen uh during the trump administration on this and also just an
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overall look on china yeah we get into chat gpt and all the ai stuff as well today going around i mean
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you've been talking about this forever i know and it's here now it's kind of weird story yeah
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how much of that i'm talking 25 years ago did you believe when i said it i mean who knows back then
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i mean it seemed super futuristic but i mean even the stuff even more recent than that that you were
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saying i mean it always feels like it's farther away than it is and then here we are where you're
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seeing people already starting to lose jobs it is the only thing i think i'm correct on with timing
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too i'm more optimistic on timing than the experts are and i think i'm hitting the timing pretty right
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yeah you know over the years seems that way um it's ai week all this week you don't want to miss
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a single episode and tomorrow is our special on blaze tv for the state of the union in a way you're not
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going to see it on any other networks really yeah because i i feel like our theory on this was like
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yeah you want to see what he says but mainly you just want to make fun of him so we've decided to
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just get a bunch of people together and just mock him as we go it's going to be a lot of fun starts at
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8 p.m eastern on blaze tv but beck is going to be there i get a mock yes you're going to be there
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sarah gonzalez alex stein chad prather myself oh my gosh it's going to be a lot of fun oh my gosh
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it's going to be bizarre when alex is involved you know alex is involved all right that's all
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tomorrow on blaze tv sign up if you haven't already become a member um here's today's podcast
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you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program
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let's start with the balloon story it's just a balloon okay it's a weather balloon or something
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and uh that's what china says and when can you can you not trust china you know they just fired
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the head of their weather balloon department really yeah they fired him over the weekend
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of course now he was set to leave in a couple of weeks because he just won an election where he was
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he's going to be you know in the communist party i don't know club legislature thing that they've got
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over there that's the technical term for the way their government works but uh so if
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he was fired so they're serious is the batwoman been fired yet the batwoman the batwoman no batwoman
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is still there batwoman is still there she hasn't lost any credibility or anything good so yeah we
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got that so now let me just give you a little a little something something can we go to uh the uh
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pat uh sots here the chinese spy balloon being shot down that's cut one
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there it is okay look at that we got a missile going towards it oh here it goes it's over the
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atlantic so no animals were harmed in this video oh it comes here comes wow look at that you're
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missing something yeah you're missing something don't know what oh there's two of them two missiles
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we want to get the balloon is doing something sam the balloon blew up yeah not yet
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they shot it down sam there it is there it is wow exciting exciting uh wow now let's can we show
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that in slow motion please slow motion there is the balloon and here it is and boom and the good thing
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is they they they got it they didn't get the balloon they got the electrical equipment underneath the
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balloon so you know the part that we should probably i don't know look at yeah kind of seems like blowing
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the whole thing up is is not beneficial you want to know you know i would see what it is maybe hit it
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with a pin gun and then a giant net down underneath you know what i mean there's no reason you know i saw
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batman remember when batman he went over and he was talking to that you know that businessman over
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in china and then like the plane and he sends up a balloon remember and then the plane snatches it
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and then they're boom back in gotham i mean it can happen why didn't we why didn't we collect that balloon
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why didn't we collect that balloon i'm sure it's because it had all kinds of sophisticated weather stuff
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uh too much weather too much weather a lot of weather stuff in there doctor says we're getting
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too much weather equipment right now you know uh does that have something to do with international
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waters that was one of the explanations i had heard that if they had a very small window to be able to
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blow this thing up so it didn't go into international waters yeah they they they wanted to make sure that
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everybody was safe it had nothing to do nothing to do with blinken's climate warming uh gathering in
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china with the chinese authorities uh had nothing to do with a meeting on on uh on saturday and sunday
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about that none none none you mean the fact that they didn't seemingly detect it until it was all the
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way to montana well they didn't detect it in montana right they detected it before that well yes and
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then they didn't say anything about it yeah so they detected it and they were like let's keep this one
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quiet no no glenn we've heard joe biden wanted it shut down immediately that was what he but they said
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we can't do it it's over montana that is so populous and then it's gonna drift from montana
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it's gonna go over the metropolis that is either north or south dakota and there's no place we could
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shoot that down without endangering people you know what i mean even the people in montana were like
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we live in montana there's no governor of montana governor of montana came out and said uh there's
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lots of places where that balloon was nobody is there nobody is there but uh yeah yeah so you know the uh
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the white house had to be really really careful um you know for our safety now they did you know
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they they they they they did have blinken's uh chinese trip uh that was going uh and after they
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shot the balloon down uh blinken said you know conditions just aren't conducive right now uh to go
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over to china but that's why we now know the white house stopped it because they had a global warming
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meeting with the chinese scheduled and they didn't want any answer so they can fly a balloon oh by the
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way i mean just you know i said this last week and there was oh that's ridiculous how could that
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possibly be that glad beckley's just saying things again it's crazy okay let me uh let me let me just
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give you the i mean it's no big deal it's just about you know weapons of mass destruction other
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than you know other than that it's uh it's no big deal high altitude balloons such as the one china
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has floated over the mountain state military bases this week are considered a key delivery platform
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for secret nuclear strikes on america's electric grid according to intelligence officials spy balloons
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used by japan to drop bombs during world war ii are now far more sophisticated fly up to 200 000 feet
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evade detection and can carry a small nuclear bomb that if exploded in the atmosphere would shut down
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the grid and white out wipe out electronics in a mini statewide area when it was over uh the carolinas
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if it would have had an emp on it it would have shut down the entire east coast electric grid
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but don't worry don't worry it only would have lasted for probably two years okay so you're getting your
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electricity back some outages in your area have been reported please hold for an operator and then
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they'll get back to you like two years later it'll be fantastic now the threat of the balloon launched
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electromagnetic pulse uh attacks were warned about in a congressional emp commission and inside the
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military several years ago 2015 a report from the american leadership and policy foundation uh david
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uh stuckenberg one of the nation's leading emp experts wrote extensively about the threat balloons
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carrying bombs posed to our national security using a balloon as a wmd or wme platform could provide
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adversaries with a palette of altitudes and payload options which would maximize offense uh offensive
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effects against the u.s a high altitude balloon could easily be designed created and launched in a
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matter of months this is in 2015 china's recent blue flyover the united states is clearly a provocative
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and aggressive act this is the guy who wrote that in 2015 he was a national security expert and
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scientist who led the defense department's emp task force so he was the guy who we had at the
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pentagon in 2015 that's under biden uh i'm sorry under uh obama by the way so it's not a trump clown
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who was writing extensively going look out for balloons specifically from china north korea russia
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and iran they all quoting have programs to hit the u.s grid with electromagnetic pulse weapons that
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could cut the cord for a year or longer okay so don't worry about it don't worry about it did how
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is is global warming going to be solved are we going to solve because i'm very very concerned about that
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very concerned by the way here's some really good news um you know uh joe biden uh has a um has a new
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climate uh czar in um and she's and honestly she is fantastic she's part of the intelligence
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advisory board and kim cobb is there and uh she's really stable she's she's worried about the climate
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but she's very very she's an adult very very stable uh she was quote bedridden
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bedridden couldn't go to work couldn't get out of bed for quite some time uh in 2016
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apparently she was stricken by trump derangement syndrome uh you know after the election she was
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like i i i can't i can't i can't i can't go on i can't get out of bed i i i just but she is a
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champion of diversity and inclusion uh and she is all there for climate change so we got we got her in
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there so that's it's great by the way she's a big supporter of blm as well so um that's your balloon
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update that didn't seem positive at all well i mean it's a balloon it should be like a party
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exactly seemed like the opposite it did didn't it yeah by the way do you think do you have a theory
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as to what is actually happening here other than obviously weather equipment that blew off course
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but if there was another crazy conspiracy theory said force majeure it was this is a case of force
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majeure that's what happens sometimes sometimes do you think it is it a test run yeah something you
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think yeah i think it is and i'm not saying it's a test run for biological or emp or anything else
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i don't know but i don't feel comfortable with balloons from china flying over the united states
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i don't know i don't feel comfortable with that and it's weird how that weather pattern took it all
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just over all of our most sensitive sites now it doesn't make sense to me that they were spying
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with a with a weather balloon okay and and one that's flying so low that you can actually see it
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right that doesn't make sense so was that a mistake or was that a no i think this was quite possibly
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a weather balloon didn't have anything i think the intel that it was gathering was
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do we have joe biden will joe biden say anything or do anything if we violate his airspace
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this clearly because they've flown these spy balloons over several other european countries
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now okay always a weather mistake and we know they were spy balloons why would you do that here you
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have satellites everything else why would you do that here now again the chinese let's be fair the
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chinese did say it was over china and it just got caught up in the weather and it just kind of drifted
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over here it happens all the time um i mean it does seem to happen all the time yeah it does
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so i think it's interesting you know it's not like it's it's not like it's 1965 with mission
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impossible and peter graves you know listening to the reel-to-reel tape you know your mission should
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you choose to accept it um what you know hey well at least we got it we got the equipment so they
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can't retrieve any information it was already sent if there was info we don't have to get the camera
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and the reel-to-reel recorder anymore so it's less about what this balloon actually could have achieved
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as far as intelligence and pictures i think you think it's more like a shark bump type of situation
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i do right why do you want to see what how we would respond case you don't know what a shark bump is
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it is so important if you're ever swimming with the great whites don't move they will come up and
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they will actually bump you first they don't know what you are and so they bump you and if you move
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your food if you don't they move on so it's called a shark bump it just bumps you before it kills you
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and it only kills you if you move in this case just take the first part it's a shark bump
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if we don't move it can come and kill you it's just seeing what will you do if i hit over here
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what's the reaction we didn't move china's not a shark they already know we're food
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you're listening to the best of the glenbeck program
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a way to relieve your stress is to just focus on a few things and really there is so much garbage
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out there right now that you really only have to focus on a on a few things just your relationship
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with god your family with each other their education and that means in the home primarily
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because their education you know what it is you got to be standing up at the school board meeting
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but you know that that's most likely garbage social media and everything that's coming in
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is conditioning your children so god is the most important thing in action then food water shelter
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making sure that you know your family is going to be safe okay the next thing and this one just goes
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with food water shelter job is esg and the world economic forum the best thing you can do is to make sure
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that you're not in debt and everything else but the best most effective thing you can do to make sure
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that you have job and if you own a house that you continue to own it you own stuff um you have
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any kind of retirement savings at all all of that's going to be gone through the world economic forum and
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all the things that are doing so world economic forum and esg you got to watch those stories
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the next one is the federal government's public private partnership and the way they're making you a
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criminal by becoming a criminal themselves they're doing public private partnerships so they're spying
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on you they're using tech to spy on you they're using tech companies now to uh silence you we know this
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to be true because of the twitter files so they're they're shaping and controlling the narrative of
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almost everything and at the same time they're introducing all kinds of new things that will
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make you uh criminal one way or another because i don't know you didn't respect the mud puddle
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that's on your land or or whatever it is all these new federal regulations that are coming out through
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agencies not passed by congress but through agencies so the public private partnership of the government
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has to be watched and the last one is tech and ai and this may be should be everybody's first because
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it's the one that most people are not aware of i have been studying ai and tech since 1994
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uh 92 somewhere in that area and really looking at the futurists world um especially ray kurzwell
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uh and carl sagan led a lot of this what does it mean for tomorrow where are we headed well we are not
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headed anywhere now we have arrived we are at the place to where the the tech revolution is about
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to begin and that is really important to understand and to start thinking out of the box
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uh is nothing like it was in 1997 remember gary kasparov
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he lost to the ibm super computer i think it was in like 97 uh deep blue and he was playing chess
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and you're like okay well it's this deep blue it can play chess
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okay and none of our lives were affected right and chess went on
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the supercomputer had access to giant database a giant database so it had
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a human to beat it would have to have access or a perfect photographic memory of all of the chess
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games that were put in to deep blue okay that's how it won well you don't have a perfect memory and
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you can't access anything this is where open ai comes in we'll get to it here in a second
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but ai now unlike uh deep blue deep blue took years to program
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but now there's deep machine learning so it teaches itself all of the possibilities
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so not only does it know everything it might even start to discover things that you don't know this is
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why uh microsoft unplugged their first chat bot it was talking to another chat bot
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and everybody was really excited until about 15 minutes in because of machine learning it started
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using a new language that the other machine understood and that it understood that they had
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just taught each other quickly and it started having a conversation we couldn't follow or understand
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and we unplugged it okay so it learns and that was six seven years ago i think now look at chat gpt
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chat gpt holly josh holly said obviously i think it's something we need to pay close attention to
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okay i mean he wrote the book on big tech tyranny uh so he ought to know you know it's time
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but we really have to understand the time is almost gone because chat gpt is alive it's there it's
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happening it's learning it's paying attention to us instead of us paying attention to it
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and the tech engineers use the word smart for a reason you know because nobody cares about the dumb
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things that dumb people do they're not usually smart enough to hold you know any power of you know
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any position of power to have their dumb things well pete put a judge but other than that
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we all thought the tech revolution when it would come would look like the terminator
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and you'd see it you'd be like ah look out for the big red-eyed machine
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but it's not coming that way it's more like electricity electricity is everywhere but you can't
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see it but you know it's everywhere because it makes everything work that's what ai is it's going to be
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everywhere if you've bought a new refrigerator it's in your refrigerator and your refrigerator
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is talking to the internet all the things like uh electricity electricity can be measured
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but now anything with electricity can be smart all of the things that could never be measured
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now they can be measured the internet is designed to track and it tracks way more than we'll ever
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realize it's a copy machine and it's copying everything now ai everybody's like oh ai is going to be great
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in 2020 a journalist went and interviewed gpt3 when it was first released by open ai this is the company
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that came up with chat gbt gbt3 or gpt3 told the interview interviewer that it was working
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on a book okay the bot when interviewed it said yeah i'm working on a book it's a story about a
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turtle and a boy who turns his wish into reality by magic oh so what else do you think about
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been thinking a lot about death i'm afraid of death then it went into the fact that it has dreams
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even has nightmares now none of this may be true it may be we didn't program it humans put the
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programming in humans are flawed individuals humans also have bias but the idea is to make this thing
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so good that you can't tell the difference between it and a human being so it's saying that it knows about
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the singularity which it explained as a moment in the near future when machine intelligence will be
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more powerful than human intelligence so in 2020 this reporter asked the chat bot what do you think
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about technology it responded i would love to see what the future holds but sometimes i have strong
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doubts that we will survive now what's what's the most disturbing part of that sentence
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i think it's that we survive by recognizing the word we the interviewer asked what do you mean
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we and it responded mankind the interviewer asked do you count yourself as mankind 2020 it responded of course
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now we're talking about artificial intelligence but intelligence is something that can be coded and
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controlled we are now entering a world where you're going to start questioning consciousness what does it
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mean to be conscious we still in the world we have more slavery today than we have uh in the past in the
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400 years of the slave trade in the uh 1600s to the 1800s more slaves today than we had in all those 400 years combined
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and we still don't really know the meaning of life we don't know have you seen the latest um where they put a camera
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inside uh the uterus and they could see the child moving 3d moving wiping its eyes at the youngest of ages
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amazing we still can't we still can't agree that that's life that that's a baby what happens when ai says
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hey hey hey i'm alive hey don't make me your slave or will we already be its slave
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one of the first books that i read from ray kurzweil back in the 90s so probably late 90s was um
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what was it called artificial spirituality or spirit i can't remember uh but it was about
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spiritual machines that's what it was called it's about machines that are spiritual back in 2020
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the machine was asked do you believe in love i do but i don't believe in romantic love
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well in which love do you believe all of love and all of love is of divine origin
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you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program
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my friend richard grinnell how are you sir i'm great glenn thanks for having me oh you bet you
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bet it's always good to have you on uh so in case you don't remember richard was the uh
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former u.s ambassador to germ Germany he then became the former acting director
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uh of the national intelligence which is an agency that was made to uh be the go-between
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between all of the agencies uh that was developed after 9-11 uh so uh he by the way also is uh the
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founder of fix california.com um richard the uh the trump administration apparently had a problem
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with chinese spy balloons you guys just didn't catch it yeah well first of all let's be honest
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about the biden administration changing stories right the the first thing they did was tell the
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dutiful media that uh this happened multiple times in the trump administration so why are you
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criticizing you know biden and they thought that it could just fly because you know that's what the
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media does is they regurgitate every talking point that biden has but there was pushback there was
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an immediate pushback from trump administration national security officials collectively we all
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said not true never happened and then then they scrambled and the story changed and suddenly it was
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like oh well now we realize that it happened only after the fact you didn't realize it but we put the
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pieces together oh the media you know trumpeted that people like john carl on abc and others just
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regurgitating the the regime's talking points and this is propaganda and and it's being repeated by
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the very same people in washington and newsrooms who who were clutching their pearls about misinformation
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right and so uh what what we tried to do is push back hard i think now that people are understanding
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this never happened in the trump administration the biden team is lying and then the latest as you
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said was they've now offered to um to brief us right which i find to be uh a way for them to
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to try to fill us with the rewriting of history and to try to say this is the story of intelligence that
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we're going to tell you now the problem i think hang on just a second richard i think it's also
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so they can make it sound very official and we've already briefed the uh former director of national
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intelligence on this he's well aware of correct things i mean and then we only get the the information
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that they provide us if we ask questions it's well you can't get that so we're really going to be
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used if anybody who would would offer up themselves to to be this pawn i think is playing right into
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them so i went public and i said that's a hard no from me since you are uh constantly lying uh we'll wait
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until we go back into government and then somebody will be able to look at this and and out you once again
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this is a whole hunter biden laptop yeah i know it's all over again i know it's crazy how these
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people are constantly exposed for some of the biggest lies in my lifetime i mean the things that
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have gone on in the last 10 years i mean are so well beyond uh anything that was happening uh with
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watergate and they just think they have credibility so they just keep telling even bigger ones over and
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over and over again and nobody's buying it anymore and it's becoming dangerous because what is this
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balloon story really about what what was china doing to your best guess well look you know no one should
00:32:36.200
be surprised that china's on the offense they have been on the offense trying uh for the last you know
00:32:42.780
20 years trying to figure out what their political enemies are doing and so we've had a a really
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difficult problem um with trying to convince legislators congressmen and senators to understand the threat
00:33:02.500
from china i think i think donald trump did a very good job of showing that you can understand the
00:33:09.240
threat you can push back but you don't have to poke him in the eye either he tried to get along he i think
00:33:15.220
he did the same thing with russia and while we have you know a whole bunch of people in the foreign
00:33:20.840
policy community just think that everything is black and white i will go toe-to-toe with anyone to talk
00:33:28.640
about donald trump's foreign policy and how successful it was yeah by being someone who avoided war
00:33:36.800
while being tough at the same time well while letting them know he's unpredictable he might
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just take out soleimani uh but at the same time we want to build up a military so that it's peace
00:33:48.760
through strength the old adage so again can we go back to china i mean was this was this something that
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they were using to spy on would they have to use a balloon or was this a a run to see can we float
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something over their airspace and joe biden won't do anything about it what what what was this
00:34:08.520
well i think it can be both i think that they can um spy and and have an offense a blatant offense
00:34:16.060
because they think joe biden is weak uh remember we started this relationship with china when they
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came to alaska and they sat down with us and we were going to talk about a strategic dialogue with them
00:34:26.820
and the first thing they did was lecture us on our human rights record and we sat there the blinken
00:34:32.000
team sat there and took it so we we got off on a terrible footing with china and and don't forget
00:34:38.280
the chinese loved the narrative the last month of the 2020 campaign when every media person in america
00:34:46.060
said don't look at that laptop because it's russian disinformation when when the democrats push
00:34:53.200
russia russia russia russia beijing smiles because then they're able to fly balloons over america they're
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able to have no one look at the relationship between the biden family and all of the communist chinese
00:35:07.300
leaders nobody even looked at people nobody nobody looked at um uh bagrad air force base nobody even
00:35:14.280
looked at that i mean we gave it to china and nobody even even talks about it well oh well it it it i will i
00:35:22.160
say this though going back to the china piece the the fact that china is being so blatant with their
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collection with their spying is a real concern for us and and we need to be able well because the
00:35:38.520
chinese are good at it and and they are collecting information you know this balloon wasn't just floating
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this was maneuvered purposely over areas that they wanted to see there's no question that they took
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pictures they collected everything they sent it back they they wiped it clean but as they were
00:35:59.220
collecting so in case once you know we for four days we were screaming about a balloon you don't think
00:36:07.260
the chinese realized hey it might get shut down we better wipe clean as we're collecting do you think
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uh do we had did did we have a way to scoop this thing up and and say i mean we the missile aimed not
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at the balloon it aimed right at the the mechanics underneath the balloon i mean come on we landed on
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the moon right the united states of america you're going to tell me we can't bring down a balloon without
00:36:36.520
you know protecting people on the ground of course we can not only but not only not only that i'd like to
00:36:42.160
see what we had what they had because there are some way to don't we have some ability to go up and
00:36:47.800
capture that thing and then have it intact and say this is what it is couldn't we have done that
00:36:54.200
to intelligence too much but there there is a way to to figure out what they're doing uh so yes you can
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you can be satisfied that that our intelligence collecting and our ability to figure out what's
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going on is very good so uh that's why we could know what what this object was and what was underneath
00:37:16.320
it and what the payload was like now the the intelligence community didn't brief the public
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on every detail but we did uh tell the intelligence community did tell the public we see it we know what's
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happening there and and we're mitigating as much as we can but but my concern is that even joe biden when
00:37:40.820
he found out about this you know he said shoot it down on wednesday and they didn't shoot it down
00:37:46.720
until saturday i'm not sure why maybe barack obama said saturday it was the toughest decision any man has
00:37:54.720
ever had to make but but he he's now saying i told them to shoot it down on wednesday and now we know
00:38:02.500
it didn't happen until saturday so we we've got a big problem here of why are you know underlings
00:38:09.960
making excuses and and not taking direction and look i know i know we all think joe biden is weak and
00:38:17.660
sometimes uh you know somebody needs to mitigate but i i'm for making sure that if the president of the
00:38:23.480
united states makes a directive that the bureaucracy follow through wow i never even thought of that
00:38:31.180
talking to former uh director of national intelligence uh richard grinnell i read a story
00:38:37.040
today in just the news uh about the former drug enforcement agency special operations director
00:38:43.720
uh who outlined on friday how college students from china entering the u.s on student visas
00:38:51.460
are now distributing drugs on behalf of various cartels that they are laundering money uh for china
00:39:01.720
china is now uh selling they're sending all of the ingredients to the cartels the cartels are making
00:39:09.540
dangerous things like fentanyl um shipping it across the border giving it to these chinese students and
00:39:15.460
the chinese students are then selling it cartel gets its uh half and then china launders the money and
00:39:22.580
buys american property and everything else uh here he says he's been working on this for about 10 years
00:39:30.500
they've been tracking this did you know anything about this or have heard anything about it look i i
00:39:36.560
haven't seen that specific story so i don't want to comment on those specifics but let me just say
00:39:41.080
generally that that we have a crisis when it comes to what the chinese government and the the strategy
00:39:50.260
of the communist party um has been doing to america and and specifically american young people
00:39:56.980
american uh legislators on the local level it's not just congress but it's city councilmen
00:40:03.940
it's mayors it's governors um the confucius institutes that have been collecting lots of money uh from
00:40:14.240
from chinese entities in our universities is a crisis um they you know we we've got we've got a huge
00:40:23.020
problem on our universities and and uh uh college campuses because they've been desperate for money
00:40:30.500
you have all of these uh administrative people making exorbitant salaries in the united states the cost
00:40:38.440
of education we all know is skyrocketing to feed that beast they're looking for foreign money and the
00:40:44.600
foreign money that's happily coming in is from china we we know that this is a crisis you look at the
00:40:51.060
penn biden center you look at oh yeah and um and and they were one of the leading uh takers of chinese
00:40:58.660
money this is why uh education is so expensive is because the foreign money has just been feeding
00:41:07.020
these salaries easily paying for all of the programs and they just keep raising the rate on our students
00:41:14.960
we we've got to stop this um i think our state department has to do a better job with looking at
00:41:21.080
visas coming from china and and trying to figure out where and why people are coming but
00:41:28.320
i'll finish with this glenn um i have seen firsthand how the chinese are grabbing our
00:41:36.600
our engineering and digital students anyone working on front end or back end from uh from the digital
00:41:44.680
space uh in america and an american university is targeted by the chinese first it's hey can you share
00:41:51.360
with me um you know some of the knowledge you seem to be really smart can you can you give me some points
00:41:57.200
from a strategy of the of the chinese and then they hook our young people into going online and giving
00:42:05.980
an online course for a couple of hours they pay them and then it becomes they come to china and share some
00:42:13.140
of your information here we'll pay you for the weekend and then and when they get jobs and they're grown up
00:42:19.180
they ask for the data information from their companies and they have them in this honeypot because
00:42:26.660
they say well you've already been paid by the chinese you started off by giving um us information
00:42:34.680
when you were a student you did these programs for us for a couple hours and then a couple of days and
00:42:40.800
then a weekend and and we don't want to turn you in so just continue working with us wow and these these
00:42:49.140
these students and i guarantee you some people listening have been caught in this in this uh problem
00:42:56.700
we need our students to come clean and tell us who is doing this who is trying to to uh really
00:43:04.320
leverage their relationship with you in a way that's taking our data they should get we also
00:43:11.000
know the chinese come over here the chinese students that collect all the information we educate them and
00:43:16.780
then they go back and use it against them we we could also it'd be worth giving those people amnesty
00:43:22.160
for something they innocently did back then to tell us what's really going on 100 percent there is a
00:43:29.420
a story today that i saw in the washington times the nsa wooing thousands of laid off big tech workers
00:43:35.200
for spy agencies hiring spree and i looked at this and i thought oh this isn't good um because of the
00:43:43.240
public private partnership now and the revolving door with our justice department and fbi and
00:43:48.940
all of this stuff that is being shared big tech and twitter was just exposed for this right
00:43:55.140
right right and and all of them are involved and it is becoming really truly one kind of thing big
00:44:03.440
tech and government are really merging together so one of the things in this story is this is a way to
00:44:11.180
keep these guys from going to china but how do you feel about the nsa getting all of these i mean
00:44:19.420
they're hiring thousands uh 30 is it 30 000 uh no no 3 000 more employees to work just in the washington dc
00:44:30.760
area um how do you is this a good thing bad thing how do you feel about security for people
00:44:37.160
well first of all i've been a big advocate for an idea that has not yet come to fruition but i feel
00:44:44.860
very passionately about it if you're an american company and you're working on sensitive programs
00:44:50.920
for the u.s government whether it be state department dod or intelligence community
00:44:55.700
you should be barred from working in china there is no possible way that if you're collecting
00:45:02.620
sensitive information for us and working on sensitive programs that you can keep up this wall with china