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00:00:00.420 Hey, welcome to the podcast. This is a show that's not going to fall in line with what Joe Biden says we should.

00:00:06.300 We're going to tell you about this crazy memo that came out yesterday to the media, and they're fine with it.

00:00:12.000 They're totally fine. Also, Adam Schiff, apparently, Stu, did you know this?

00:00:17.400 There could be a ground invasion in the United States. We don't know.

00:00:21.800 Oh, my gosh.

00:00:22.480 We don't know if we don't impeach President Trump.

00:00:24.900 I've seen documentaries on this.

00:00:25.980 This is what?

00:00:26.980 Red Dawn.

00:00:27.460 No, that wasn't a documentary.

00:00:28.860 I'm pretty sure. There's two different documentaries on it, one from the 80s, one recently.

00:00:32.520 No. Anyway, that's crazy talk.

00:00:35.420 Also, I'll tell you why Bernie Sanders will not win in Iowa, but what the Democrats are actually searching for.

00:00:43.300 And nobody is breaking this down the way they should.

00:00:46.960 We have that. Also, the media having to remove Trump for the sake of the 2020 election.

00:00:54.540 Charlie Kirk joins us for a few minutes and the China virus.

00:01:06.040 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:01:10.240 Joe Biden's presidential campaign has issued a warning to reporters and editors in a memo demanding that they debunk the claims of corruption against him.

00:01:25.340 The memo titled The Imperative for Honest Coverage of Trump's Ukraine Conspiracy Theory deals specifically with a charge that then-Vice President Joe Biden, as the Obama administration's point man in Ukraine, pushed for a Ukrainian prosecutor to be fired by threatening to withhold aid to the country.

00:01:44.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait, the fired prosecutor, Victor Shokin, was reportedly removed at the same time he was investigating Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company.

00:01:57.580 According to the memo, quote, Trump's objective was to pressure the Ukrainian government into spreading a malicious and conclusively debunked conspiracy theory.

00:02:16.560 Not true. Not true.

00:02:19.580 That vice president Biden engaged in wrongdoing when he executed when he executed official United States policy to remove a corrupt prosecutor from office.

00:02:30.240 Again, this is that part is true.

00:02:34.020 He he was executing a an official policy for the United States, but he knew at the time they were coming after his son.

00:02:44.440 He knew at the time they were going after Burisma, there is there have never been any allegations in Ukraine that Shokin was corrupt.

00:02:55.560 They've never filed any charges.

00:02:57.960 They've never told him why he was fired other than the vice president asked for it.

00:03:04.520 In the memo, they cite numerous mainstream news outlets that agree with Biden's version of the story and that discredit the theory that Biden pushed for the firing of the prosecutor to cover up corruption.

00:03:18.820 Accordingly, the memo goes on to instruct the media to state clearly and unambiguously that such claims of corruption have been discredited and debunked.

00:03:33.540 Otherwise, it is journalistic malpractice, according to the Trump.

00:03:39.520 I mean, sorry, according to the Biden campaign.

00:03:41.880 It is sufficient to say the allegations are uns I'm sorry, it is not sufficient to say the allegations are unsubstantiated or that no evidence has emerged to support them.

00:03:56.860 This is crazy.

00:04:00.000 Not only is there no evidence for the Republicans main argument against the vice president, there is a mountain of evidence that actively debunks it.

00:04:08.780 And it is malpractice to ignore the truth.

00:04:17.800 I'm at a loss.

00:04:19.600 I feel like I say the same thing every day, but every day it's worse.

00:04:25.800 I don't I don't even know what to say anymore.

00:04:29.540 I don't believe this.

00:04:31.100 Of course, I believe this.

00:04:32.000 It's happening every single day.

00:04:33.280 It's just getting worse.

00:04:34.620 I've never seen anything like this.

00:04:36.140 Yeah, I did yesterday, but this one's worse.

00:04:39.740 I don't know what to say to you anymore.

00:04:42.340 I don't know how to come to you with this news anymore.

00:04:45.940 Despite numerous outlets having reported the claims as false, Republicans and Trump defenders are not so convinced.

00:04:53.080 In fact, it was Biden himself who added fuel to the theory's flame when he openly bragged on camera.

00:04:59.340 He said, I'm telling you, you're not going to get the billions of dollars.

00:05:02.680 You're not getting the billion.

00:05:03.780 I'm going to be leaving here and think about that in six hours.

00:05:07.220 I'm leaving in six hours.

00:05:08.860 If the prosecutor is not fired, then you're not getting the money. 1.00

00:05:12.140 Well, son of a bitch. 1.00

00:05:13.360 He laughed. 1.00

00:05:14.100 He got fired.

00:05:15.140 And they put somebody solid in his place.

00:05:19.100 Now, they put somebody solid in his place until this story broke.

00:05:25.400 When Biden was laughing about that in a Council of Foreign Relations meeting in 2018, 2018, not so long ago.

00:05:35.900 When he said they put somebody competent in his place, he was competent until he resumed the look into Burisma.

00:05:46.560 And then this story broke again with Donald Trump.

00:05:50.500 And as soon as that happened, then this new prosecutor was not somebody to be trusted. 0.98

00:05:56.240 He's corrupt, too.

00:05:57.380 The way the media, and we have shown it to you, the way the media has debunked this is completely and total fabrication. 0.84

00:06:11.600 It is, at best, sloppy work.

00:06:14.980 This is the, this is, what they are breaking is the, or committing is the, the crime and the sin of omission.

00:06:29.180 What they're doing is they're saying, look, this was debunked.

00:06:33.880 New York Times said it.

00:06:35.320 You go to the New York Times.

00:06:36.560 New York Times, it's debunked, according to Bloomberg.

00:06:40.400 Bloomberg, it's debunked, according to the Washington Post.

00:06:44.980 The Washington Post.

00:06:46.740 It's debunked, according to this paper in Ukraine.

00:06:51.300 Well, then we went to that paper in Ukraine.

00:06:54.100 Everybody else is just quoting each other.

00:06:56.800 You go to the paper in Ukraine, and it says that Shokin, you know, said that he didn't, it wasn't Shokin, it was the other one,

00:07:11.020 uh, that said he's, he didn't say that, uh, to the, uh, to the, uh, embassy.

00:07:18.720 Right, this is, this is.

00:07:19.680 The ambassador.

00:07:20.300 Right, the whole situation with Ivanovich and how he had a list of do not prosecute.

00:07:26.400 Uh, which initially was the story, uh, told by the prosecutor.

00:07:30.580 And then he said, well, it wasn't a list.

00:07:33.020 No, no, no.

00:07:33.840 No.

00:07:34.740 They asked him.

00:07:36.720 This is, this is how they did it.

00:07:39.000 They asked him in this interview.

00:07:41.800 So she did, do you have the paper?

00:07:43.760 Did she, she gave you, so she handed you a list.

00:07:46.580 No, no, no.

00:07:47.320 She didn't hand it to me.

00:07:48.500 She gave it to me verbally.

00:07:50.000 Yeah, that was the second interview.

00:07:50.720 So she told me.

00:07:51.240 Right.

00:07:51.440 Right.

00:07:51.620 And so the, the post and the times and everybody else says, he said he was never given a list.

00:08:00.700 Period.

00:08:02.240 Debunked.

00:08:03.080 No, it's not debunked.

00:08:04.940 He said she didn't hand me a list.

00:08:08.480 She gave it to me and I wrote it down.

00:08:10.820 Yeah.

00:08:11.500 And he brought, when he was talking about names that he wanted, thought was, you know,

00:08:16.100 worthy of prosecution or looking into it, she beat him up on it.

00:08:20.580 Right.

00:08:21.240 And, you know, is that different than setting, than giving him a list of people not to prosecute?

00:08:26.360 She was telling him he shouldn't prosecute those people.

00:08:29.380 And, and he was saying, this has been the problem in Ukraine forever.

00:08:32.660 Right.

00:08:33.120 This has been the issue.

00:08:34.260 This is what we, you guys are supposed to help us stop doing.

00:08:37.280 Correct.

00:08:37.600 We're just not supposed to be going after these, or protecting certain politically connected people.

00:08:43.520 We're supposed to be doing the opposite, going after the truth.

00:08:46.000 Shokin and his prosecutor that replaced him are now on record saying, we don't know how to fight corruption the American way.

00:08:55.740 Because it's not a system.

00:08:58.360 It's, you can do this.

00:09:00.300 You can't do this.

00:09:01.300 Next day it's, yeah, well, we're including this person that you can prosecute and this one you got to stay away from.

00:09:07.260 There's no, there's no rhyme or reason other than power and money.

00:09:11.700 Now, when it comes to this particular thing where Joe Biden asked for the firing of Shokin because he was dirty. 0.97

00:09:20.560 His claim is, I didn't know anything at all, nothing at all about the Burisma investigation.

00:09:30.180 I didn't know that.

00:09:31.340 There's no way for me to know that.

00:09:33.060 They weren't investigating at the time.

00:09:35.240 That is provably false.

00:09:38.520 We have the court records that happened, oh, coincidentally, within days before the vice president's visit.

00:09:50.100 The State Department was notified that Joe Biden's son was going to be under investigation.

00:09:58.500 That's when daddy gets on the plane.

00:10:00.760 No one in the State Department, no one in the embassy, no one on the vice presidential staff or president's staff was briefed that the vice president's son and his company was going under investigation by the prosecutor, the one that we helped appoint.

00:10:22.440 Nobody notified the vice president of that.

00:10:25.120 And then he just coincidentally said, we're not doing any aid if you go into any of this on Burisma.

00:10:32.660 That is fact, verifiable fact with documents.

00:10:38.240 It is not malpractice.

00:10:41.260 It is, it is treasonous to the truth.

00:10:46.140 You either want to tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may, or you are nothing but a puppet.

00:10:52.900 Look, I think I, my record is pretty darn clear.

00:10:58.980 If Donald Trump would have been doing these things and you could prove it and I would do the investigation.

00:11:05.700 I said to our researchers, dig at the very beginning, dig, let the chips fall where they may find the truth.

00:11:15.860 I would come to you and tell you, I'm sorry. 0.97

00:11:19.420 And if it would mean the end of my business, I don't give a flying crap. 0.76

00:11:24.020 I don't know how to tell you these things anymore. 0.87

00:11:27.600 I'd gladly go away.

00:11:32.100 I'd tell you the truth.

00:11:33.720 If Donald Trump was doing that, I'd tell it to you.

00:11:37.160 This is corruption at the highest levels of the Obama administration.

00:11:44.260 And what Schiff said yesterday.

00:11:48.980 Well, I've never seen anything like it.

00:11:50.600 Oh, yeah, no, I did.

00:11:51.420 I just saw the memo from Joe Biden, which is exactly the same thing.

00:11:56.440 Schiff, under oath, as an impeachment manager, told whoppers of lies yesterday.

00:12:06.160 But he walked into a trap.

00:12:09.240 He started talking about this.

00:12:13.300 Oh, well, you, I mean, this, this conspiracy.

00:12:16.520 Well, now, wait a minute.

00:12:18.180 Wait a minute.

00:12:18.860 If you're talking about this conspiracy, then we should talk to people to make sure that it is a conspiracy.

00:12:24.240 You're right.

00:12:25.040 If it's a conspiracy, there are facts out there that show that it's not.

00:12:29.780 In fact, every fact shows that it's not.

00:12:33.200 So you want to bring that up with Hunter Biden?

00:12:37.620 Thank you, Mr. Schiff.

00:12:38.700 You just introduced that as a line we can pursue.

00:12:42.320 Now you must hear from the president's son, a vice president's son.

00:12:47.780 You must hear from him.

00:12:49.840 And why is it they have to have such Nazi-like marching orders to fall in line, press?

00:13:00.320 Why do you feel that's necessary to do?

00:13:02.740 If you have nothing to hide, let him talk.

00:13:07.160 Let him talk.

00:13:08.080 When Trump's, when, when Trump would go off on, uh, you know, not born here, I, I was like, don't know, please.

00:13:18.340 Can somebody, cause that's not helping him.

00:13:20.460 That's not helping him.

00:13:21.900 Okay.

00:13:22.380 But when he's right about, yeah, the birther thing, but when he's right about something, let him talk.

00:13:28.760 When you have truth on your side, let him talk.

00:13:32.920 You don't, Joe Biden, have truth on your side.

00:13:35.960 So you must silence people.

00:13:38.720 You must silence people.

00:13:40.720 Yeah.

00:13:40.840 Chasing the truth, no matter where it goes, is something that opinion people should do, that journalists should definitely do.

00:13:47.080 And you know what, it's what all humans are supposed to do.

00:13:50.500 That's how you're supposed to interact with people.

00:13:52.460 I have it.

00:13:52.780 It's not supposed to be the way that Adam Schiff is.

00:13:55.880 He is, it's just like his human interaction policies need to be revised.

00:14:03.780 A lot.

00:14:04.620 A lot.

00:14:05.240 A lot.

00:14:05.620 A lot.

00:14:07.160 Back in just a second.

00:14:08.140 By the way, we have complete coverage of impeachment.

00:14:12.460 The recap at 5 p.m. tonight.

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00:14:28.300 Hey, it's Glenn, and you're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

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00:14:39.720 I want to play a monologue.

00:14:44.940 And from me, let's just play a little bit of this before I tell you the context and when it happened.

00:14:53.120 Listen to this.

00:14:54.160 Can I tell you something?

00:14:55.700 There's nothing more frightening than when our truth becomes entertainment.

00:15:02.700 When our news organizations, our newspapers have to do what they have to do for ratings.

00:15:17.680 When they say, I've got to sell more newspapers, I've got to get another ratings point.

00:15:26.000 And so they start to spin the news.

00:15:28.860 Or they start to look for the news that's entertaining and highlight those stories that are entertaining.

00:15:35.460 That's dangerous.

00:15:36.380 Almost as dangerous as when history becomes entertainment.

00:15:42.220 I don't know about you, but I found JFK by Oliver Stone frightening when it came out.

00:15:47.860 Because I knew, watching that, people are going to think this is a documentary.

00:15:51.860 People are going to think this is the truth.

00:15:54.460 And it's not the truth.

00:15:56.220 Michael Moore.

00:15:57.760 It's not the truth.

00:15:58.740 That's the entertainment.

00:16:01.280 That's a money-making vehicle.

00:16:03.400 And it is a political statement.

00:16:05.240 It's not the truth.

00:16:06.940 But it's cloaked as the truth.

00:16:11.120 Short-term thinking.

00:16:13.600 The death of truth and short-term thinking.

00:16:16.440 The death of truth is Michael Moore.

00:16:18.800 Short-term thinking are those Democrats who are embracing Michael Moore.

00:16:24.440 You know, Michael Moore is not a Democrat.

00:16:30.620 Michael Moore is a socialist.

00:16:33.020 Michael Moore takes the Democratic Party apart.

00:16:37.220 When Clinton was in office, was taking Bill Clinton apart.

00:16:41.880 Now, you've given Michael Moore all of this credibility.

00:16:46.400 You've given him a stage, a world stage, sitting next to presidents.

00:16:51.520 You've given him this huge stage, and you've given him your credibility.

00:16:57.820 Now, let's say John Kerry wins.

00:16:59.980 God help us all.

00:17:01.240 John Kerry wins, gets into office.

00:17:04.140 What do you do with Michael Moore?

00:17:06.900 How do you say Michael Moore doesn't know what he's talking about?

00:17:10.200 Michael Moore is a genius.

00:17:12.320 Michael Moore has enough credibility to sit next to Jimmy Carter in the presidential box at your convention.

00:17:17.640 And believe me, Democrats, he's going to take you apart as well.

00:17:23.360 Because it's not that he doesn't like Bush.

00:17:26.680 That's number one priority.

00:17:28.840 But his longtime priority is he's a socialist.

00:17:35.360 Short-term thinking.

00:17:36.640 You're going to destroy yourselves and your party because you are getting into bed with the enemy of your enemy.

00:17:46.360 He's not your friend.

00:17:48.840 That was in 2004.

00:17:53.740 Look at their bed now.

00:17:57.580 They are being eaten by socialists.

00:18:01.480 Hillary Clinton, why do you think she's going after Bernie? 1.00

00:18:05.520 Why do you think that they're attacking each other right now?

00:18:14.180 Why do you think AOC was out this last week saying, you know what, I got to tell you, I mean, we don't really have a left party here in America.

00:18:24.180 It's not the Democrats.

00:18:25.420 They're not targeting.

00:18:27.500 They're not targeting Trump.

00:18:29.620 They are targeting the Democratic Party.

00:18:33.960 And the Democratic Party is so weak.

00:18:36.320 Look at their field.

00:18:38.100 It is so weak.

00:18:39.400 It's going to implode.

00:18:41.060 Because they engaged in short-term thinking in 2004.

00:18:46.620 They got into bed with radicals.

00:18:49.140 And now, as Jeremiah Wright used to say, the chickens are coming home to roost.

00:18:57.560 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

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00:19:35.020 Okay, I'm going to tell you about the three groups of Democrats.

00:19:37.180 And one of these groups are going to decide the future of the Democratic Party and decide the future, possibly, of the country.

00:19:47.900 And then I want to tell you the three reasons why Donald Trump is going to be reelected.

00:19:54.280 Now, this is speaking of today.

00:19:56.100 Anything could happen.

00:19:57.080 We could have an economic collapse.

00:20:00.020 We could have, you know, war break out.

00:20:03.280 Lots of things could happen.

00:20:04.760 But lots of things could happen on the Democratic side as well, especially if Joe Biden is your horse.

00:20:13.360 That thing could fall apart.

00:20:15.120 I mean, he's not looking, you know, the best and hasn't been performing well in debates.

00:20:24.820 Okay, well, Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Pete Buttigieg, let me tell you why these people will not win.

00:20:34.760 There are three groups of Democrats.

00:20:40.180 And really, when you come down to it, there is only one group that is a traditional Democrat.

00:20:50.360 First, you have the socialist revolutionaries.

00:20:54.360 These are the people that have always been on the outside.

00:20:57.480 They have not had a party.

00:20:59.080 They're communist, socialist revolutionaries.

00:21:02.160 They are people like Bernie Sanders that have never really had a home.

00:21:07.800 Now, those socialist revolutionaries were brought into the party beginning back in the 1980s when they decided they really needed a coalition.

00:21:18.580 They started bringing them in, but they were always kept at arm's length.

00:21:23.120 Back in the early 2000s, they started bringing these real revolutionaries in to fight against George W. Bush.

00:21:31.620 The people that did not necessarily vote for Democrats ever, but they were communists.

00:21:39.600 They were socialists.

00:21:41.260 They were literal revolutionaries.

00:21:44.200 People like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn.

00:21:47.560 These people were always on the fringe of society or just under the radar.

00:21:51.880 But then they were embraced to fight George W. Bush.

00:21:56.380 And I warned at the time, you think you're using them?

00:22:00.480 They've been waiting for this moment.

00:22:03.340 They, in the end, are going to destroy you.

00:22:06.840 And they'll destroy you before they destroy the Republican Party.

00:22:12.000 So there's your first group of voters.

00:22:15.080 They want radical change and nothing American.

00:22:20.140 They do not want the Constitution.

00:22:23.080 They don't want the guaranteed protections.

00:22:24.740 They want not equal justice.

00:22:28.500 They want social justice.

00:22:30.540 They want redistribution of wealth.

00:22:33.040 All of the stuff that Barack Obama was accused of because of the people he surrounded himself with

00:22:39.540 and said, no, no, no, that's crazy talk.

00:22:42.920 Well, it's not because here they are.

00:22:44.600 The second group is the new, if you will, progressive, liberal, corrupt establishment.

00:22:55.260 These were the people that started really kind of, you know, with FDR.

00:23:00.940 They bastardized the word liberal.

00:23:03.720 But they were still kind of holding on to things like the ACLU and say, no, we're for freedom of speech.

00:23:09.520 But really, they weren't.

00:23:11.620 But it was close enough to where most people didn't understand.

00:23:16.140 And nobody wanted to believe that all of these politicians were as corrupt as they were.

00:23:20.740 Now we know these politicians are absolutely corrupt.

00:23:25.540 And I'm not just saying the Democrats, Republicans are too. 0.99

00:23:28.720 Just corrupt. 0.95

00:23:31.020 And they're not in it for anybody but them and their family, apparently.

00:23:36.820 And they can get rich a million different ways.

00:23:39.600 And they do not want their power to end.

00:23:42.260 But they're progressive liberals.

00:23:43.300 And they don't want to really upset the apple cart.

00:23:46.020 But they'd like enough of a revolution to where it's not so hard trying to keep electing, you know, keep electing the same people over and over again.

00:23:54.160 They'd like that to happen.

00:23:57.160 And then there's the third category.

00:24:01.360 And I think this is the majority of Americans.

00:24:06.520 And the majority of Democrats.

00:24:09.680 They're the forgotten Democrat.

00:24:11.880 They're the ones that are looking for, dare I say it, hope and change.

00:24:23.340 The reason why Barack Obama's hope and change worked is because almost everyone was looking for hope and change.

00:24:35.860 I was looking for hope and change.

00:24:37.860 I was tired of the Bush administration.

00:24:39.620 I was tired of the backroom deals.

00:24:41.540 I was tired of being lied to.

00:24:44.760 I was tired of the never-ending wars.

00:24:47.260 I was tired of the out-of-control spending.

00:24:51.280 I was tired of being talked down to and called, you know, not being a patriot if you weren't for the Patriot Act.

00:24:59.800 I wanted hope and change, too.

00:25:02.920 But when Barack Obama offered it, a lot of people just heard that and they thought, yeah, he's saying what I believe.

00:25:09.360 That's why I've always said you have to really understand who you're standing next to, who you're supporting, because they might say all the right things.

00:25:18.180 Barack Obama capitalized on hope and change.

00:25:20.980 But his hope and change required fundamental transformation of the United States of America.

00:25:28.400 Now, there's a difference between revolution and restoration.

00:25:36.500 I want a restoration of what was right with America while getting rid of those things that are wrong with America.

00:25:44.300 Corruption.

00:25:44.940 The out-of-control spending where no one is held responsible for anything.

00:25:52.660 I want a fair justice system.

00:25:55.080 I want truth, justice, and the American way.

00:26:03.680 And I think there's plenty of Democrats all across this country that are hard-working people that feel the same way.

00:26:13.480 They're tired of getting the shaft.

00:26:15.240 They're tired of being told that they're the problem.

00:26:18.640 They're tired of being told that, you know, they'll never make it.

00:26:24.480 But when they know, when they're talking to their friends in the coffee shop, we could fix this.

00:26:30.340 Guys, we could fix this.

00:26:31.240 You know what the problem is.

00:26:34.900 They really believe they can fix it because they can fix it in their own town, in their own life.

00:26:39.420 So what they're looking for is somebody that's not insane, somebody that doesn't want the fundamental transformation of America, and somebody that's an outsider.

00:26:57.560 They're looking for Donald Trump, which is why 18% of those who voted for Donald Trump were Democrats.

00:27:06.540 Democrats, they're looking for someone who just, you know who Donald Trump is.

00:27:13.180 Is there any question in your mind?

00:27:15.140 You'd know, you know, yesterday I saw the news report, Donald Trump broke his record for tweets yesterday.

00:27:20.580 My response was, duh, really?

00:27:24.240 Of course he did.

00:27:26.340 We know who he is.

00:27:29.820 Imperfections at all.

00:27:30.940 We know who he is.

00:27:32.860 And you're willing to accept that because as insane as he might seem or insane as his, his actions might seem to people.

00:27:49.100 His actions.

00:27:51.900 On the world stage.

00:27:53.500 What he's actually done, not what he said, what he's actually done, not insane.

00:28:02.420 What he's actually done with the economy, it's working.

00:28:07.620 Seems to be going really well.

00:28:10.100 Imagine what it would be if he took those insane trade tariffs away.

00:28:14.260 But you know what?

00:28:16.340 It's okay right now.

00:28:18.920 What he did with Iran?

00:28:20.840 That was insane.

00:28:21.820 No, it wasn't, seemed to have worked.

00:28:24.100 Seemed to have worked, at least temporarily.

00:28:27.460 But they're always going to be a problem.

00:28:30.640 People are looking for somebody not to not look nuts.

00:28:35.840 They don't care. 0.99

00:28:37.660 They knew Donald Trump looked nuts. 0.97

00:28:39.620 They knew he looked like he wasn't presidential. 0.96

00:28:42.660 I said that in 2007.

00:28:43.820 If Barack Obama gets into office, he is so slick.

00:28:47.900 We're going to have a guy who has a gravy stain on his tie and stands up and maybe farts during his speech.

00:28:53.640 He's like, we all fought, huh?

00:28:56.980 That's who we have.

00:28:58.420 That's who we have.

00:29:01.420 And everybody looks at the outside packaging of Donald Trump.

00:29:05.940 The over-the-top, everything-is-perfect Donald Trump.

00:29:10.520 And they know.

00:29:11.840 I don't know how he does it, but he does it.

00:29:15.140 Now, if his administration was putting together the insanity of an agenda that was as insane as his tweets and everything else,

00:29:29.420 he would be gone.

00:29:31.320 He would at least not be re-elected.

00:29:35.420 But it's not.

00:29:37.620 That's the packaging.

00:29:40.320 The substance is different than the packaging.

00:29:45.480 And people know that because they feel safe.

00:29:49.600 They feel like, you know, there's encroachments on things, but we're okay. 0.65

00:29:54.920 At least the president's not crazy and listening to, you know, crazy people on either side.

00:30:03.180 And he's doing things that we all wanted to do.

00:30:07.280 I mean, what did Democrats want?

00:30:08.940 They wanted an end to these endless wars.

00:30:11.020 What did many Republicans want in 2008?

00:30:13.700 An end to these endless wars.

00:30:16.380 We don't want to be lied to.

00:30:17.880 We don't want people undercover doing things where they're enriching themselves

00:30:23.300 or they're getting us entangled into foreign affairs without even talking to us about it.

00:30:31.760 We just want to be left alone and be able to do our work.

00:30:35.000 And we still also want to be charitable.

00:30:36.960 So when they look, when the Democrats look at Bernie Sanders, there's always going to be,

00:30:44.200 I mean, it should be about 10%.

00:30:46.360 But I think we're up to maybe 20% or 30% of this population that is now willing on the Democratic side to go to war.

00:30:55.860 I'll have a revolution.

00:30:57.180 I think it's around 10%, but it could be as high as 30%.

00:31:02.460 Warren doesn't have the same effect on the voter as Bernie Sanders does.

00:31:10.140 But she also doesn't have, she has more of the corrupt establishment air that hurts her. 1.00

00:31:17.340 And he has more of the, yeah, Soviet gulags were great air to keep his numbers suppressed. 0.84

00:31:25.680 But the vast majority of people are not looking for the corrupt establishment.

00:31:32.020 They're not looking for the, the, the rebel and revolutionary on any issue anymore.

00:31:37.580 They've been revolutionized enough for a while.

00:31:40.240 Can we just sit down and relax for a minute?

00:31:42.980 They're looking for somebody that has hope and change.

00:31:50.360 Joe Biden doesn't have that.

00:31:53.280 He doesn't have that.

00:31:55.500 But Joe Biden, what he does have is the feeling that he's not a revolutionary.

00:32:03.880 He doesn't want to overturn all of American history and fundamentally transform things.

00:32:13.940 And that's enough.

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00:32:38.960 Robbie Suave is a senior editor at Reason, Reason.com.

00:32:43.120 He's got a great article out now.

00:32:44.880 A year ago, the media mangled the Covington Catholic story.

00:32:47.460 But what happened next was even worse.

00:32:49.320 Welcome, Robbie.

00:32:50.080 How are you?

00:32:51.440 I'm great.

00:32:52.140 Thanks for having me.

00:32:52.900 You bet.

00:32:53.580 So, so make this case.

00:32:55.820 It's fascinating.

00:32:57.940 Sure.

00:32:58.520 So, so it's a year later and I was looking back at, you know, the story, what people said, how it kind of all happened.

00:33:05.960 This was obviously a big story for me.

00:33:07.700 I was one of the first to kind of see the full footage and, and kind of, and try to reverse this narrative that had taken hold.

00:33:14.380 Right.

00:33:14.500 Um, anyway, what struck me is that, you know, there, so the mainstream media has attracted a lot of well-deserved criticism for reporting this story and getting it wrong.

00:33:24.980 Outlets like Washington Post, CNN, et cetera, that have subsequently been sued by Nicholas Sandman, et cetera.

00:33:31.120 Um, but what I, what I was struck by looking back on this again is those outlets, so certainly deserve blame.

00:33:38.860 They got it wrong, but they did.

00:33:40.640 Um, they did reverse course when it was called out.

00:33:43.860 Um, there were so many, uh, more ideological writers, pundits, et cetera, who, who not only did not apologize, they continue to defiantly assist, uh, insist, and probably do to this day, that the initial media coverage was correct.

00:34:00.200 There were people who went looking for facts that had nothing to do with all of this, um, you know, oh, well, years ago at a Covington basketball game, is this someone in blackface?

00:34:11.880 And it wasn't, but even if it was, it would have had nothing to do with whether Nicholas Sandman had harassed, uh, this Native American man.

00:34:20.160 Um, so I was more, I almost feel like we've forgotten that side of it a little bit in the focus on, um, how irresponsible the kind of more mainstream coverage was.

00:34:31.000 So, first of all, let's talk about the mainstream coverage for just a second and what's happening to them.

00:34:35.620 Any idea, any guess what CNN settled for?

00:34:40.100 Uh, I, I have asked people there.

00:34:43.240 I've tried to find out this information.

00:34:44.860 Um, no one knows.

00:34:46.680 My, my just wild guess would be like two or $3 million.

00:34:52.840 Um, it would surprise me if they paid more than five.

00:34:55.360 Wow.

00:34:55.640 That's what, that's what Stu says.

00:34:57.160 I would be surprised if it was not in double digits or I mean in, in, in eight digits.

00:35:03.140 Um, I just, well, I just, my frame of reference here is the role is Rolling Stone, uh, the lawsuits from the University of Virginia gang rape that years ago.

00:35:12.560 Right.

00:35:12.860 And that, and, and honestly, that was a stronger case, uh, because Rolling Stone's, uh, wrongdoing was, was actually more egregious.

00:35:21.020 Um, and they, you know, that was million, a couple million dollars.

00:35:23.940 Yeah.

00:35:24.120 We should point out, Robbie was also, uh, one of the guys leading that, uh, truth telling ability there.

00:35:30.840 Because I mean, without, without you, Robbie, I don't know we would have ever had the truth on either one of these two stories.

00:35:36.420 So thank you for doing that.

00:35:37.720 That was, uh, it's important work.

00:35:40.020 Oh, thank you.

00:35:40.820 You know, it was, it was my pleasure to really get to the truth of these things.

00:35:43.960 And I don't, you know, I'm not, it wasn't like I was so ideologically invested in these, either of these stories.

00:35:48.760 I just sat down to write something and then you start looking at the other information available.

00:35:53.500 And, and both times I started thinking, oh, wow, there's a lot more to this that people haven't really picked up on yet.

00:35:58.980 So, Robbie, I mean, just look, let's just look at today where Joe Biden came out and issued a memo yesterday to the news media that said, fall in line.

00:36:10.260 It's, uh, worse than a journalistic malpractice.

00:36:13.900 If you say that there's anything at all to these, uh, conspiracy theories on any wrongdoing by me or my son in Ukraine.

00:36:24.020 And they're taking it, they're taking it, they're, they're, the media is not outraged by that.

00:36:32.060 How, how do we, how do we even have hope for the truth in a, with a media like this?

00:36:38.960 I mean, that's the problem, right?

00:36:40.720 The problem is, uh, we have divided, I think, into two tribes quite neatly.

00:36:45.780 There's, there's Trump tribe and there's media tribe.

00:36:49.320 And so the media are not, uh, the, the illusion, I think to some degree, this always was an illusion, right?

00:36:55.300 That they're objective gatekeepers and just kind of call, you know, calling it like they see it and they're not taking sides and they're fair and down the middle.

00:37:02.640 That is, that is over.

00:37:04.500 And to, to some degree, they're not even claiming that, or they're not, not as strongly even claiming that.

00:37:10.700 They're in the opposition camp.

00:37:12.720 And so all things that happened, all developments, all, all stories, news must be, must be segmented, must be put in either.

00:37:20.980 How does this, you know, how does this help Trump if you're a pro-Trump person?

00:37:24.300 Or, or how is this, how does this help and defend the media?

00:37:27.080 The media is the opposition party.

00:37:28.520 So that's not surprising to see candidates who represent the media party explicitly calling for them to, you know, to kind of serve on the front lines of, of a war on Trump.

00:37:40.040 Because that is, that is the role, uh, they are suggesting that they are going to play.

00:37:44.620 Not, not everyone, not all of them, but, but a lot more than it used to be.

00:37:48.540 So 2024, I think, is when historically the pendulum should start shifting back, uh, towards, um, sanity.

00:37:57.200 Um, do you see an appetite at all for the truth where the chips fall?

00:38:03.600 I mean, I don't, I present, I try to present the truth, but I am also an opinion guy.

00:38:08.640 I'm not news.

00:38:09.820 I don't know of, uh, of anybody who is, uh, who is huge mainstream that would even consider taking on, no, let the chips fall where they may.

00:38:24.940 Who's doing that?

00:38:27.200 I mean, that's a, that's a problem, right?

00:38:29.240 Uh, the, the kind of, I think, um, scaring people, cells, or worrying people that, uh, that a lot of this is even non-ideological.

00:38:38.580 It's just things are worse than ever.

00:38:40.340 And then there's an ideological component, right?

00:38:42.280 That we live in, in like a more racist and more sexist and more homophobic, et cetera, et cetera, society.

00:38:47.880 So then, of course, when something like Covington happens, that confirms your thinking, because you're looking for it, because you're thinking these are, this is the worst of all times, and we've degraded as a society, et cetera.

00:38:58.400 Or, uh, uh, you know, I see all the time, again, outlets like CNN, Washington Post, reporting things like hate crimes are higher than ever.

00:39:05.940 So if you actually dig into the statistics, and I really have, they don't, they don't even begin to prove that that's true.

00:39:11.480 And it actually seems quite ridiculous if you think of how far we've come as a country on many of these fronts.

00:39:17.280 Uh, but they're, they're scaring you with these headlines all the time to, to worry you into thinking the world is such a bad place.

00:39:23.340 But I remember I had, and Stu, let's see if you remember this.

00:39:26.040 I think it was the, the editor of the San Francisco Examiner, very left.

00:39:33.000 And I had him on the show because he said, uh, Glenn Beck is a journalist, blah, blah, blah.

00:39:38.320 Uh, and, uh, and in some way, in a weird way, he was kind of almost endorsing that, you know, journalistic credibility.

00:39:45.620 And I had him on the air and I said, I'm an opinion maker.

00:39:49.480 I try to take the facts and do my own homework.

00:39:53.860 But then what I present is an opinion.

00:39:56.160 He said, that's a journalist.

00:39:57.280 And I said, no, that's not a journalist.

00:39:59.220 And there was this weird conversation where I had a journalist trying to convince me that I was a journalist and I'm not.

00:40:06.080 But now, you know, you just, you just said it.

00:40:09.800 There is no difference between the truth that you get from CNN.

00:40:15.640 Well, let me use this.

00:40:17.100 Brian Stelter last week just had on reliable sources, media matters.

00:40:26.320 Hello.

00:40:27.000 Oh, so these people who cut, yeah, they cut video clips and people saying things and they make it look like it's really bad.

00:40:36.140 And then, and then I learned now I have to go back and watch the full clip.

00:40:40.080 Right.

00:40:40.640 You're missing a very important segment of, of what, uh, of what whoever it is just said.

00:40:45.660 Uh, you know, it, it kind of goes to question your article.

00:40:49.340 Um, cause you said, you know, the other media was even worse.

00:40:52.680 Are they separate anymore?

00:40:56.880 Is there an opinion media and CNN?

00:41:01.040 Are they different?

00:41:03.140 I think social media has made, has eroded this distinction because you have people, um, who are supposedly straight news, objective reporters who don't have opinions.

00:41:14.520 And of course, everyone has opinions.

00:41:15.880 And so this is, oh, this was almost always a little silly, but then you can see what they're saying on Twitter.

00:41:21.640 Um, you know, they're neat.

00:41:22.920 You're getting their knee jerk unedited reaction to news, to things like Covington or whatever, or like just Jussie Smollett.

00:41:29.580 And they're, you know, they're, they're, they're falling over themselves about how horrible this is.

00:41:32.860 And, you know, smearing anyone who even is slightly skeptical of it, not in the news story that they're going to write for their paper, but on their social media feed.

00:41:40.660 So then you're seeing, you know, what they really think, what has not been, what has not been, uh, worked on by an editor and almost that's clarifying.

00:41:48.780 And it's like, it's like a good thing that was allowed to happen because now there's, there can be no more delusions about this.

00:41:54.460 Yeah. And you go into a lot of this, the great examples in your story.

00:41:57.080 I mean, some people who are saying how punchable Nick Sandman's face is, um, you go through a ton of them.

00:42:03.660 One in particular, who I believe referred to you as a professional contrarian, which is quite the title.

00:42:08.520 Um, but they went on to say, even after all of this footage came out, not only was it, uh, was it, uh, wrong to change your mind on the story and think that, you know, these kids didn't really do anything.

00:42:21.840 You were a sellout.

00:42:23.280 If you came out and corrected yourself, they actually went after the people who had the courage to correct themselves on the story.

00:42:30.380 Yeah, that's right.

00:42:31.480 They were shaming people who said they're sorry.

00:42:33.780 And that was really the point of my most recent piece is to say, it's, you know, it's better to be wrong and apologize than to be wrong.

00:42:40.360 And, and, and, but insist you weren't wrong and cling to that wrongness and then try to attack people, uh, for having a shred of integrity or more integrity than you do.

00:42:49.240 Yeah.

00:42:49.340 That was a piece of dead spin that was just utterly vile.

00:42:53.020 And, and dead spin is a, is a really kind of mean spirited place anyway, but I was surprised.

00:42:57.840 Dead spin is or was, or was, or was, yeah, well, that was, that was one of the things I wanted to, I was interested in, uh, Rob, because when I read, I was reading your piece and I hadn't, I had missed the initial dead pit dead spin piece when it came out.

00:43:11.040 And I thought to myself, gosh, you know, you make a mistake like that.

00:43:13.840 Then you double down on it in the nasty way that you cover in the piece.

00:43:17.080 I went back and read her piece and thought to myself, gosh, she must've paid a price for this, right?

00:43:23.220 Like journalistically, like in your, in your job, you probably have a tougher time getting a job.

00:43:28.680 No, she's gone to a more mainstream outlet and has a better job than she did when she wrote the piece.

00:43:34.160 She was rewarded for this behavior.

00:43:36.360 And now is, I believe vice and has a nice big role over at vice.

00:43:40.000 Yes. And I remember people at the time, a year ago, this was share.

00:43:45.140 So there were people at slightly more, uh, mainstream, not mainstream, but in like an, like Atlantic type leftists, more respectable.

00:43:52.880 Um, I remember people sharing that piece and citing that piece in clearly in a way that like, this is what I wish I could have said.

00:43:59.800 This is how I, this represents my thinking, but I can't get away with that in my position.

00:44:03.540 But, but it's all just put this out for you to, you know what I mean?

00:44:07.080 There was a lot of that.

00:44:08.520 Yeah.

00:44:08.860 A lot of that.

00:44:09.460 Yeah.

00:44:09.900 I mean, it doesn't surprise me, but I mean, it's a, it is remarkable that someone goes through that, you know, Deadspin, obviously, uh, you know, they were, it was a big attitude place.

00:44:20.300 And then, you know, obviously went through all of its troubles and is basically, you know, gone now, but to go over to now device, which again is not, I'm not saying is a mainstream site.

00:44:28.460 And it certainly has some of the same characteristics as Deadspin, but again, it has shows on HBO and it has these big relationships with advertisers and all this.

00:44:36.380 And she gets rewarded for this stuff.

00:44:38.420 I mean, this is why it's impossible.

00:44:40.380 I think for people to take the media seriously when sometimes they do need to take it seriously because this stuff continues to happen over and over again.

00:44:47.220 So, Robbie, what, what happens next?

00:44:49.260 Where do we go from here?

00:44:50.520 Well, that's a difficult question.

00:44:54.280 I mean, I wish we could have some, uh, some faith in the media.

00:44:59.300 I wish they were more responsible and could earn back the public trust in some cases, because a lot of, you know, I'm, I'm a journalist.

00:45:06.300 I know a lot of people who do good work.

00:45:07.980 Um, and it, it, it, some, I think sometimes it all gets written off because of these high profile total disasters.

00:45:14.820 So there needs to be some kind of, um, settling down or taking a breath or stepping back.

00:45:21.660 Or I just wish people, uh, the journalists themselves would, would refrain from, from having this need to like, um, tell crazy viral stories without any additional information.

00:45:35.200 Like, I mean, the, the, the, the, the fundamental fact of the Covington story is that it wasn't even a story.

00:45:39.980 It was a trivial incident between people who were not, who had no social significance.

00:45:44.220 So there was no reason to write about it in the first place.

00:45:46.540 Right.

00:45:46.600 So that kind of news judgment that privacy matters a little bit, that we should not use all the technology we have today to like watch people all the time and, and call them out for wrong.

00:45:58.340 Think.

00:45:58.600 I mean, that takes an active personal responsibility on the part of the media that maybe they will get there.

00:46:03.920 Yeah.

00:46:05.120 After not, after their response to Joe Biden's memo, where he said, step in line and don't, don't report on any of this stuff.

00:46:11.800 Uh, I think we're, I think we're a ways before they start to turn around and go, Hey, maybe I'm headed in the wrong direction.

00:46:18.420 Robbie, Robbie.

00:46:19.220 Thank you so much.

00:46:19.840 Robbie, uh, Suave, senior editor at reason.com.

00:46:23.560 Thanks.

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