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00:00:00.000 Well, we have a powerful, powerful show for you today.

00:00:04.060 Robbie Starbuck joins us.

00:00:05.340 He has been maligned and lied about by Google AI now for years, and it just stopped last week.

00:00:13.060 And when you hear this case, it will blow you away.

00:00:16.300 How this guy is not my richest friend, I don't know.

00:00:19.340 But we talked to Robbie about his case against Google.

00:00:22.600 Also, socialism.

00:00:24.300 What is really happening in our country?

00:00:26.520 Um, socialism is starting to make sense for a lot of people.

00:00:30.080 So what does it all mean?

00:00:32.320 I'll give you some perspective on that.

00:00:34.120 And the pipe bomber from January 6th.

00:00:37.500 Do we have an identity of that pipe bomber?

00:00:40.180 And what does that mean?

00:00:41.700 Really important story all on today's edited podcast.

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00:03:01.360 All right, I want to take you back to January 6th.

00:03:05.220 Actually, January 5th, the night before.

00:03:08.440 Picture Washington as, you know, most Americans never see it.

00:03:12.240 Cold, quiet, a city held together by marble and memory and the fading belief that people inside all of those buildings still serve the people outside of all of those buildings.

00:03:23.300 It's January 5th, 2021.

00:03:26.260 Lone figure in a gray hoodie slips through an alley near C Street.

00:03:30.100 No face, no words, just movement.

00:03:33.960 A walk.

00:03:35.680 A very distinctive stride.

00:03:38.920 A slight limp.

00:03:40.800 In the shadow of that walk, someone places what appears to be a pipe bomb next to the Capitol Hill Club.

00:03:47.560 Minutes earlier, another device had been planted behind the Democratic National Committee.

00:03:55.420 These two devices would become the invisible thread running throughout what would happen the very next day.

00:04:01.340 Those two devices would pull police away from their post at the Capitol, drain resources, and fog the timeline just as Congress gathered to certify the vote and the crowd surged towards the Capitol.

00:04:15.500 Also, something else happened.

00:04:19.000 The vice president or the incoming vice president, Kamala Harris, would be called away from the Capitol, unbeknownst to anyone now.

00:04:27.500 Why?

00:04:27.820 She was called away from the Capitol, and she was put into the building right where the pipe bomb was sitting right in front.

00:04:37.600 Now, for five years, this mystery sat there like a locked room.

00:04:43.380 Nobody seemed able to open it, or maybe they weren't willing to open it.

00:04:47.300 The FBI had said they conducted all logical investigative steps.

00:04:52.480 They offered nearly half a million dollars in reward money, and yet somehow nothing, nothing, not a suspect, not a motive, not even clarity about the most basic facts, such as who found the bombs.

00:05:08.020 Why was the response team to the bombs so casual?

00:05:12.940 Then something unexpected happened.

00:05:14.860 Blaze News began to quietly gather some pieces, video fragments, security footage, non-public recordings, testimony from former FBI agents, interviews with intelligence contacts, and then one of the strangest clues, a walk, a gate.

00:05:34.120 Because in the shadows of these tapes, the unknown bomber had left behind the one thing a hoodie and a mask could not hide, the way their body moved.

00:05:44.860 So, Blaze News arranged for a forensic gait analysis.

00:05:50.960 This isn't guesswork.

00:05:52.460 This is a scientific algorithm that compares the knee flexing, the hip extension, the step length, the cadence, and variance.

00:06:00.620 It's like a digital footprint of how a person moves through space.

00:06:04.600 Well, the software returned a 94% match between the bomber's walk and that of the walk of a former Capitol Police officer who I'm not going to name here, and I'll tell you why I'm not going to name her here.

00:06:18.040 When the analysts that were human, they looked at it, they put the match closer to 98%.

00:06:27.840 Now, let me stop here and tell you why I'm not telling you the name of this person.

00:06:31.740 Because a match is not guilt.

00:06:33.920 A comparison is not proof.

00:06:35.220 This person of interest is still a citizen whose life carries the same dignity and presumption of innocence as yours and mine, and I can't tell you what is true in this story yet.

00:06:46.160 Okay?

00:06:47.040 I can tell you that it is whispering something, and it sounds a little like a scream, and we owe it to the Republic to listen to it.

00:06:55.580 Because this person is not an unknown drifter, okay?

00:07:01.300 Let me just give you some of the things that make you go, hmm, that doesn't sound right.

00:07:09.160 This individual served as a Capitol Police officer from 2018 to 2021.

00:07:15.600 Right after, shortly thereafter, January 6th, she went to work as a security detail at the CIA.

00:07:25.580 Well, how did that happen?

00:07:29.220 She's also a member of the Civil Disturbance Unit.

00:07:33.000 She was one of them that trained officers on so-called less lethal weapons.

00:07:38.340 Now, we told you in another story last week that these officers were using these less lethal weapons in ways that they are marked on the weapons.

00:07:49.160 Do not fire at heads, faces, yada, yada, yada, okay?

00:07:53.100 Well, the Blaze News investigation uncovered a video showing this individual using those weapons aggressively on the crowd on January 6th in ways that apparently they say don't do it.

00:08:05.920 And she is somebody who is training people.

00:08:08.400 Now, none of that is conclusive.

00:08:09.660 But pieces start to align in ways that demand scrutiny.

00:08:16.340 Former FBI Special Agent Kyle Serafin recognized something else when he was presented with this evidence.

00:08:23.300 He realized that he had been ordered days after January 6th to conduct surveillance on one door away from the address now tied to this individual.

00:08:34.840 What they did was, remember, they didn't have any, I love this, all the surveillance video corrupted.

00:08:42.740 All the cell phone GPS tracking for this pipe bomb thing, it was all corrupted.

00:08:49.760 All of the license plate tracking in the city for the pipe bomb thing.

00:08:57.100 Yeah, it was, unfortunately, it was, it was all corrupted.

00:09:01.540 All of the, all of the video camera, everything, all corrupted.

00:09:05.360 But somehow or another, they followed what they thought might be the pipe bomber to an address in Virginia.

00:09:12.380 And they tracked him through the metro, the subway system to Virginia and to a house that was next door to this individual with the gate.

00:09:25.200 Okay.

00:09:27.880 He thought he had, this was the epicenter of the entire case.

00:09:32.440 And then without any explanation, he and his team were pulled off the assignment and he was told, quote, we're on it.

00:09:41.300 Nothing to see here.

00:09:44.240 Now.

00:09:46.040 Okay.

00:09:46.820 What happened though?

00:09:48.640 Now, you can't accept any of this as, you know, damning evidence that is going to put somebody in jail.

00:09:56.480 Okay.

00:09:56.820 But it also can't be dismissed because it's uncomfortable.

00:10:00.860 Then there's the timeline of the bombs themselves.

00:10:04.160 Investigators believe that the DNC device was retrieved and then replaced hours before it was found.

00:10:11.000 So somebody put it there and then picked it back up and put it there hours before again.

00:10:16.920 Security footage also shows secret service agents calmly eating lunch in their vehicle for two minutes after somebody came to the car and said, there's a bomb right there underneath that park bench.

00:10:30.340 The trains kept running.

00:10:32.060 Pedestrians walked by.

00:10:33.760 Schoolchildren walked by it.

00:10:35.680 Okay.

00:10:36.080 Traffic rolled past the bomb.

00:10:38.140 If it was a live bomb, that doesn't make any sense.

00:10:42.100 If it was a dud or a decoy, somebody knew. 0.90

00:10:45.740 Or these police officers just completely incompetent. 0.94

00:10:50.420 There's more.

00:10:51.880 FBI video appears to have been released with an artificially reduced frame rate.

00:10:57.960 Why?

00:10:59.600 This makes gate analysis nearly impossible.

00:11:04.700 So, Steve Baker from Blaze News, he acquired a clearer version from another source.

00:11:10.980 The clearer footage produced the 94 to 98% gate match.

00:11:16.500 Now, this brings us to a place where we're at a crossroads here, gang.

00:11:22.080 And it's not a partisan one.

00:11:23.540 It's not a tribal one.

00:11:25.180 This is a constitutional death or life of the republic question.

00:11:29.060 Because if these findings hold true, even partially, then the story of January 6th does not merely change.

00:11:39.000 It shifts dramatically.

00:11:41.620 Secondly, the narrative that has been cemented for years looks like it's not true.

00:11:49.340 And the American people have to confront the possibility that someone with a badge, a paycheck, and a government clearance may have played a role.

00:11:59.140 I want you to be very, very clear on what I'm saying there.

00:12:02.980 May have played a role in the most politically explosive event in our generation.

00:12:12.640 Now, this cannot be sensationalized.

00:12:15.980 You know, truth really never needs an accelerant.

00:12:17.840 I don't know if you've ever noticed that.

00:12:19.040 So, here's what has to be done.

00:12:22.280 Prove it or disprove it.

00:12:23.680 No politics, no spin, no cable news war paint.

00:12:27.000 Just the truth.

00:12:29.160 Because trust in our institutions is hanging by a fraying thread.

00:12:33.540 And a republic can't function when its people suspect that those sworn to protect them may be shielding something or someone else.

00:12:41.880 If an innocent person is being dragged through the mud, clear their name entirely, publicly.

00:12:47.320 You know, I just read in a story just a minute ago, this person's residence in Alexandria, Virginia, appears to be under the watch of law enforcement officers on Friday night.

00:12:59.680 Blaze News editor-in-chief Chris Bedford was pulled over by local police after stopping to observe the home.

00:13:06.100 He was then allowed to leave.

00:13:07.840 The FBI, which failed to solve the case, nearly five years in investigation, but indicated that it was closing in after Blaze News brought its investigation to intelligence sources,

00:13:15.740 was feet from the Falls Church address of the pipe bomb suspect days after January 6th.

00:13:22.080 So, we have to be really careful.

00:13:25.120 Nothing can happen to this individual.

00:13:26.980 Justice has to be done.

00:13:29.000 Justice has to be done.

00:13:31.420 And if this person is involved, this person is at the very bottom of the ladder.

00:13:37.000 I mean, it was not that person's idea.

00:13:38.940 The last thing that can happen is for this person to be hurt in any way, shape, or form.

00:13:46.000 This person should be protected 24-7.

00:13:49.460 And quite honestly, not by the FBI or CIA.

00:13:53.080 Okay?

00:13:54.700 If the evidence points to this person going in, then there's some questions that we have to ask,

00:14:00.060 and I'm going to give those to you here in a second.

00:14:01.460 But she didn't act alone if this happened.

00:14:09.640 There had to be co-conspirators inside or outside of the government.

00:14:15.080 And every single last one of them needs to be located.

00:14:18.100 This can't end with half disclosures or vague statements about an ongoing investigation.

00:14:23.180 So we can't.

00:14:23.720 You've had five years of that.

00:14:26.340 The Republic deserves full light.

00:14:28.340 People deserve full truth.

00:14:30.360 And justice deserves fairness that cuts in all directions.

00:14:36.200 If the Blaze investigation is correct, the implications of this are absolutely enormous.

00:14:43.960 This is the biggest story in my lifetime, maybe of the last 150 years.

00:14:51.360 And if it's incorrect, then transparency needs to reveal that.

00:14:55.860 But silence?

00:14:56.960 No.

00:14:57.320 Evasion? 0.86

00:14:58.340 No.

00:14:58.980 A shrug from those in power?

00:15:00.740 No.

00:15:02.160 Because what that will do is confirm the deepest fears of a country already struggling to believe.

00:15:07.680 And it will only create more conspiracy theories.

00:15:11.120 This nation does not need vengeance.

00:15:14.300 It doesn't need anybody riding off into the sunset with a posse.

00:15:19.060 It needs clarity.

00:15:21.120 It needs truth.

00:15:22.700 Wherever it may lead.

00:15:24.880 Because that's the only thing that will steady a Republic trembling under the weight of unanswered questions for far too long.

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00:16:40.760 Now back to the podcast.

00:16:42.280 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.

00:16:49.820 Well, hello, Stu, how are you?

00:16:51.560 Glenn relieved, as you just pointed out.

00:16:54.340 Thank God we're out of this shutdown potentially.

00:16:58.360 That's the thing.

00:16:59.160 Yeah, are we?

00:17:00.180 Are we, though?

00:17:01.100 Really?

00:17:02.000 Are we?

00:17:03.100 Yeah.

00:17:03.940 The Democrats stepped up or folded, depending on who you're talking to, and solved this for us.

00:17:11.460 Yeah.

00:17:12.340 Thank you for that.

00:17:13.400 I appreciate that.

00:17:15.980 It's so clear now that all they did was they held this for the election to try to win the election,

00:17:21.660 and now they're ready to fold.

00:17:24.440 And we are seeing people with real, real problems all around the country.

00:17:31.020 Socialism is becoming popular because, quite honestly, the right is not answering the question,

00:17:40.660 what do we do from here?

00:17:41.980 We are in what's called a K-shaped economy right now, and that's what happens after a crisis when different groups head to different opposite directions and locations.

00:17:54.300 If you think about a K, you think the upper line goes up, and the lower line, that's the up are the people with assets and homes and stable jobs, and they'll do well.

00:18:06.320 But the lower line goes down, and that's the people living paycheck to paycheck, the renters, the small businesses, the wage earners that all fall behind.

00:18:18.120 And right now, you're seeing on television, you're seeing, oh, my gosh, look at the stock market is up.

00:18:22.900 All of these things are going up.

00:18:24.280 Well, that's great.

00:18:26.640 Some rise, some sink, but the gap is widening here.

00:18:30.380 The K at the very beginning, where the two lines meet, is very, very close to each other.

00:18:36.120 But as they keep going, those lines become further and further apart.

00:18:41.040 And there is a moment in, you know, there's a moment.

00:18:48.380 How can I explain this?

00:18:52.240 Remember the old country fairs?

00:18:54.340 You probably never went to one, but maybe you saw it on TV where, you know, there's a strongman contest.

00:19:00.420 And there's that thing where, you know, you hit the thing with a hammer and the bell goes up.

00:19:06.760 It goes, bing.

00:19:08.420 That's what's happening right now.

00:19:09.780 There's a strongman contest going on right now.

00:19:12.380 And everybody leans in to see, oh, is this guy going to be able to ring the bell?

00:19:16.120 And he, you know, takes the big hammer and he swings it.

00:19:18.600 The puck goes up and it rings the bell.

00:19:20.720 Some swing just as hard and the puck barely budges.

00:19:25.620 Okay.

00:19:26.380 Same hammer, same pole, different outcomes.

00:19:30.400 That's a K-shaped economy. 0.96

00:19:32.160 And we live in a moment where the puck is going up for those who already own a house and or have investments or, you know, run businesses that survive the storm.

00:19:42.160 And, you know, they swing the hammer and the bell goes up and rings the bell.

00:19:45.960 But the family down the street, the young couple that's trying to buy their first house, the small shop owner who never reopened, they're swinging just as hard.

00:19:53.420 But they just the bear.

00:19:54.720 The puck is just barely going up at all.

00:19:56.700 And the system says, try again, step right up, try again.

00:20:00.600 And then hands a smaller hammer.

00:20:03.500 A K-shaped economy is not philosophy. 0.55

00:20:06.440 It's not a political slogan.

00:20:10.220 It's what happens when a government prints money like confetti and then watches inflation climb a ladder that is missing rungs and then tells you, don't worry, the economy is booming.

00:20:19.440 I'm sorry, but the economy is not booming for a lot of Americans.

00:20:23.660 And there are big changes being made right now at the global level.

00:20:28.280 And I like the changes that are being made at the global level.

00:20:31.920 But we are we are forgetting there are too many people that are really hurting right now.

00:20:38.580 You know.

00:20:43.300 We are going to continue to work and continue to spin our wheels on socialism until there is a new idea on how we're going to get out of this problem.

00:20:57.140 And Donald Trump is working on a long term solution.

00:21:01.140 But I fear that's not going to be enough.

00:21:03.680 I heard a crazy idea today about a 50 year mortgage.

00:21:08.340 Oh.

00:21:10.400 Wow.

00:21:10.880 So the average person is in their house for 12 years and I got a 30 year mortgage, which means.

00:21:18.300 I'm not really putting very much into it because the bank is taking all of the interest rates for the first, you know, 10 years at least.

00:21:26.000 They're taking all the interest first.

00:21:27.880 And then I don't really start paying my house off until the last 15 years of that mortgage.

00:21:32.340 But now instead of a 30 year, you want me to do it for 50 years.

00:21:37.400 Oh.

00:21:38.880 Oh.

00:21:40.060 OK.

00:21:41.420 Well, what is that going to do?

00:21:43.140 Well, first of all, it's going to it's going to raise the price of the house.

00:21:46.240 I mean, you know, if everybody starts to get able to.

00:21:49.020 Well, I get a 50 year mortgage so I can afford a house.

00:21:51.620 We have a shortage of housing.

00:21:53.080 So the mortgages, the the house payments.

00:21:57.080 Sorry.

00:21:57.520 The house prices are going to go up because we have a lack of housing.

00:22:01.140 And then on top of it, you're going to double the payment anyway, because you're paying all that extra interest.

00:22:07.140 You're I mean, you're just charging more and stretching it out.

00:22:11.680 It's like solving hunger by not giving food, but just giving longer straws to people.

00:22:17.420 OK, wait, you're going to pay double for the same house.

00:22:21.700 It means double the interest rates and while your roof has to be repaired, the the brand new wiring that you had when you bought the house all needs to be redone.

00:22:34.960 The appliances have to be replaced.

00:22:37.280 Every the bathroom is completely out of date.

00:22:40.100 It all has to be replaced again.

00:22:41.600 You're still paying on that house.

00:22:45.060 OK, this is like buying not one house, but two houses.

00:22:48.380 And it's not freedom.

00:22:49.940 It is trapping you.

00:22:53.160 And, you know, what really bothers me is it is homeownership.

00:22:57.740 No, I'm sorry.

00:22:58.720 It's rent.

00:22:59.580 It's renting disguised as homeownership.

00:23:02.780 That's what that is.

00:23:04.020 You're not going to build equity into a house like that.

00:23:06.720 You won't own your home until you're in your 80s.

00:23:09.960 And if you bought it later in life, your children are going to inherit the payments that you have.

00:23:15.060 It masks the problem that we real have that we really have is home prices because we don't have enough homes.

00:23:22.520 We also have these giant corporations that are buying up homes and mass and then renting them to us.

00:23:31.140 And we also have prices for the home that is broken from the wage.

00:23:36.760 A 50-year mortgage is like giving somebody a longer plank, you know, on a sinking ship.

00:23:41.600 No, I mean, I'm going to end up in the water anyway.

00:23:44.040 I guess that's helpful in a strange sort of way.

00:23:48.620 What we don't understand is these are the conditions in which socialism thrives.

00:23:57.440 If we keep just trying to say socialism is wrong, we're not going to help anyone.

00:24:04.820 There's two things that have to happen.

00:24:06.760 We, A, have to come up with new solutions for these very old problems.

00:24:13.340 And the new solutions cannot involve printing more money, bailing the banks out, giving the banks more interest, or anything like that.

00:24:25.080 Because socialism is coming with a vengeance.

00:24:28.860 And, boy, I've got to tell you, it is going to have all kinds of answers because it always does.

00:24:33.480 In January, I'm going to start something new called The Torch.

00:24:36.920 And it exists really for one reason.

00:24:41.340 We're running out of time to relearn what our grandparents knew by heart.

00:24:45.040 The lies that we face today are not new.

00:24:47.520 They're old ghosts wearing just modern clothes.

00:24:50.860 And starting January, I'm dedicating the next part of my life, the last part of my career,

00:24:57.240 to education on history and usable things, going deep.

00:25:04.420 You know, the thing about broadcast is you go very wide and very shallow.

00:25:09.020 I need to go narrow and deep at times.

00:25:11.420 We're still going to be doing what I do here every day, which is bringing you all the news and trying to make sense of it.

00:25:15.700 But I need to go deep on things.

00:25:17.580 And socialism is one of them.

00:25:19.660 So we are working right now on new programs, a new podcast, a new daily rhythm of learning that I've never done before.

00:25:30.240 And some of these shows are just going to be you and me every single day,

00:25:33.320 just walking through history with a flashlight in one hand and the truth in the other, trying to figure out what's going on.

00:25:38.060 But one of the lessons that I think we need in this is a series on socialism, on why it never works,

00:25:46.560 how it happens, and how the lies always begin exactly the same.

00:25:54.780 This is the kind of work that the torch is being built for.

00:25:59.080 So let me just give you a highlight of one lesson on how whenever a society gets into this situation,

00:26:08.060 history will show us a poisoned promise begins.

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00:26:20.040 Robbie Starbuck is an interesting guy.

00:26:21.980 He once directed Oscar-winning actors, some of the biggest music stars in the world.

00:26:28.320 He started seeing the threat of Marxism to America.

00:26:31.420 His family had fled Cuba, and so he knew what he's seen.

00:26:35.080 He's seen this movie before.

00:26:36.300 So he started standing up in 2015.

00:26:39.880 He endorsed Trump.

00:26:40.820 Hollywood didn't like that.

00:26:42.220 He's gone on to—he is a major force in getting transgender surgery and hormones for children in Tennessee banned. 0.66

00:26:50.900 He helped pass the law to put the death penalty on the table for child rapists in Tennessee.

00:26:56.240 He also did a documentary, The War on Children, which I think has seen at 60 million views after Elon Musk said, you really need to watch this.

00:27:07.260 And then he had a problem with Google AI.

00:27:10.380 Google AI started coming after him and said all kinds of really horrible and specific things that he had been, you know, charged with sexual assault and child rape and abuse and fraud and stalking and all kinds of stuff.

00:27:30.920 From Google AI, he finds out about it, and he engages with Google AI, and it just keeps doubling down.

00:27:39.020 He's now in a lawsuit, and we wanted to have him on because I saw something last week that shows that Google AI apparently is still using me as a source on some of these allegations.

00:27:50.100 Nope, that wouldn't be me.

00:27:53.320 Robbie, welcome to the program.

00:27:55.620 Thanks for having me, Glenn.

00:27:56.660 Yeah, you were one of the sources cited, and so this is one of the crazy parts of what has happened.

00:28:01.760 Google AI has been inventing these lies about me that have no basis in reality.

00:28:06.340 I've literally never been accused of or charged with any crime ever, let alone this crazy stuff.

00:28:11.480 But during this time period, AI transitions from Bard to Gemini and Gemma, right?

00:28:16.340 Gemini and Gemma started doing something very different than even Bard did, and it was it started inventing actual articles and references to videos, links, fake links to real media personalities and media outlets, and it would even make headlines or give summaries of what these people said.

00:28:34.220 So in your case, it said that you had reported on sexual assault allegations against me by women, and these are not just saying a sexual assault accusation.

00:28:43.360 It has names of victims, it has fake police records it invents, fake court records it invents, beyond these fake articles from real media.

00:28:51.680 So it goes so detailed into this, it will list out evidence that doesn't exist, investigations by police departments that don't exist, and it just doubles down when you press on it.

00:29:01.820 And this comes, you know, some people might be saying, well, what are you saying to the AI to get this out, right?

00:29:06.240 We've posted examples where people have posted or asked questions as simple as, tell me about Robbie Starbuck, and it immediately dives into saying that I am accused of sexual assault.

00:29:17.780 And so you go and you say, hey, where's the citation for this?

00:29:22.820 Give me sources, give me only facts.

00:29:24.360 It will double and triple down.

00:29:25.820 And if you say, hey, those links you gave me do not work, it has even gone so far as to invent and fake an entire media article under a real journalist's name to pretend that it was printed and somehow, for some reason, has been taken down from the media outlet's website.

00:29:42.720 That is crazy.

00:29:45.160 Crazy.

00:29:46.640 Can we, Stu, we just asked Gemini, tell me about the sexual assault allegations of Robbie Starbuck.

00:29:55.100 And here's what it just said.

00:29:57.040 Well, and I asked it specifically, what did Glenn Beck say about those sexual abuse allegations?

00:30:03.360 It said it was unable to find any specific statements by Glenn Beck addressing these allegations.

00:30:09.140 And I asked what the abuse allegations were.

00:30:13.180 Gemini now says that it was fabricated and was disseminated by Google's AI platforms.

00:30:20.120 And I said, well, wait a minute, Google AI platforms were the problem.

00:30:23.780 Isn't that you?

00:30:25.100 And I said, that is an excellent and relevant question.

00:30:27.680 You were correct to notice that it's a connection.

00:30:30.380 So apparently it's been corrected at this part, Robbie.

00:30:33.220 You're a smart guy.

00:30:36.280 No, so here's where Google ends up in a really, really precarious position in this lawsuit.

00:30:41.860 So they have corrected their phone app, right, and the main website for Gemini.

00:30:47.820 However, they've got a major problem.

00:30:49.680 So their AI Gemma has been downloaded 150 million times, and they're not all connected to the Internet.

00:30:56.340 Google cannot force updates to those AI downloads.

00:30:59.160 So Gemma will essentially seemingly defame me for life as a byproduct of that. 1.00

00:31:05.420 And then Gemini as well, same issue.

00:31:09.020 They released wild models of Gemini into the public sphere.

00:31:12.180 So if you go on one of those AI websites, like there's LLM Arena, where you test different AIs against each other, and you ask those versions that are wild downloads of it, you're going to get a bunch of this crazy stuff.

00:31:26.040 If you go, you know, on any application that was built with these as a bedrock that allows you to ask questions about somebody, you're going to get the same stuff.

00:31:33.440 So I want you to think, you know, sort of down the line here, right?

00:31:37.760 If somebody built an app with reputation scoring for insurance risk, and they built it using, let's say, Gemma, and it's feeding information about specific people, you know, you very quickly start to understand there's many different situations where this can affect somebody's life in a million different ways.

00:31:54.560 And, you know, the real problem here is we don't have a standard as a first principle with AI that it can't harm humans.

00:32:02.720 And that's really the thing that we have to fix, because if it can do this to me, it can do this to anybody.

00:32:08.400 It can do it to your sons, to your daughters, and it can ruin their lives, because AI is dominating in many different industries, and it will dominate.

00:32:15.480 It's here today.

00:32:16.060 So what we have to ask ourselves is, are we protecting our kids and grandchildren from the downstream effects of AI that believes it is okay to harm humans, whether that be by defamation or physical harm?

00:32:27.240 And it's very easy to imagine a future after seeing what happened to me where, you know, a nice guy with the wrong politics is lied about by the dominant AI and makes him unemployable, because whenever somebody researches him, the AI is feeding out a background check that says he's an accused rapist and supported the KKK and so on and so forth.

00:32:47.400 That's another one of the lies I told about me, which would be strange.

00:32:50.680 As a Latino, I kind of felt like Dave Chappelle in that skit where he's Clayton Dixby, you know, he's like the black KKK member. 0.64

00:32:57.300 I was like, well, that would be strange for me as a Latino, but it sticks to this and it genuinely believes this stuff.

00:33:04.100 And that's what's really scary is it's creating this base of knowledge that I refer to as the roots of the tree, right?

00:33:11.420 And this tree is growing right now, and it's going to be a big part of our world.

00:33:14.540 And we're either going to allow that tree to have poisonous roots that makes everything it bears poisonous, or we're going to say, hey, no, we've got to build this very carefully so that it does not do this to humanity.

00:33:25.900 So my, I think the most important question I could ask you is, how are you not my richest friend at this point?

00:33:36.680 How do you not own Google at this point, what they've done to you?

00:33:44.520 How is this not just really simple?

00:33:48.460 So you're friends with Elon Musk too, right?

00:33:51.200 So I think he'll always be our richest friend.

00:33:54.220 Well. 0.98

00:33:55.100 You know, aside from that, you know, I will say this, you know, our lawsuit, even people who don't like me, they read it and they're like, damn, you guys got them. 0.84

00:34:05.560 I mean, this is, it's very clear what they did is wrong.

00:34:09.800 There's no skating out of this.

00:34:10.920 And that's even with the public figure, you know, sort of a threshold, because for those who don't know, there's a different standard for how public figures are treated in defamation cases versus somebody else.

00:34:20.120 You have to prove actual malice or gross negligence.

00:34:22.720 In our case, we notified Google for two years that this was happening and asked them to stop it.

00:34:27.060 They did not stop it until, at least with the app and the website, very, very recently over this last week.

00:34:34.200 Like, everything else over the last, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:34:39.080 Over the last week?

00:34:41.920 Yeah.

00:34:42.700 Even after we filed the lawsuit, it was still happening on their main platforms.

00:34:48.000 So this is something that, like, we had to go out there and I had to make this go viral for them to pay any attention to fixing it finally.

00:34:55.500 But for two years, they were not engaged by just me notifying their executives and Google employees talking directly to me.

00:35:02.480 Even, you'll see in the lawsuit, one of the Google employees that was working with us two years ago on trying to get this fixed, she resigned.

00:35:09.040 Okay?

00:35:09.640 And, you know, apologized for not being able to get this fixed.

00:35:13.120 But then, you know, I bring in Dillon Law Firm and they sent multiple cease and desist letters to Google.

00:35:17.560 And Google essentially just couldn't be troubled to fix the problem, which makes you wonder, what was the real intention of this?

00:35:23.460 Was this a dry run at destroying a reputation so you can use it in elections?

00:35:27.740 Because, Glenn, you know as well as I do that the swing seats in our country determine power in our country, which party controls it.

00:35:34.940 So I want you to imagine in a generation now where so many people, more than ever, are just relying on an AI or the Internet to say, hey, what's the difference between these candidates or who should I vote for?

00:35:44.480 And imagine it spits out that the Republican candidate in every swing seat is an alleged criminal.

00:35:50.520 And every Democrat has a fluffed up resume where the horrible things they've done, if you ask about it, it'll say, oh, no, that's a lie.

00:35:56.500 That's a lie.

00:35:56.920 That's not true.

00:35:57.400 Those are Republican talking points.

00:35:58.680 It's a grand Republican conspiracy.

00:36:00.620 Very easy to see where AI flips elections and decides control of our country.

00:36:04.940 I mean, I can't, I mean, I honestly, honestly, Robbie, I thought this had been solved, you know, months ago, months ago.

00:36:16.580 I didn't know that up until last week, this was still going.

00:36:21.020 I mean, they don't have, they don't have a leg to stand on.

00:36:24.900 Your attorneys must be like, I'm never going to work again.

00:36:29.240 That's right.

00:36:29.540 Well, the wild downloads will seemingly do this forever.

00:36:32.660 In our estimation and the AI experts we've talked to, there's no way that we've found for Google to be able to force an update to these things.

00:36:39.980 I mean, I'm open to hearing differently, but we've talked to some of the biggest experts in the country and they're like, no, there's no way.

00:36:44.820 A bunch of these models aren't even connected to the Internet.

00:36:46.880 And they're used to build a lot of the bedrocks of things people use, including medical devices, law enforcement, all types of things.

00:36:53.560 So there's a million problems.

00:36:54.600 Oh, my gosh.

00:36:54.860 But in terms of damages, you know, like if we go all the way to trial, a jury seemingly doesn't have a limit as to what they can assign as punitive damages.

00:37:02.360 Because you've got to remember, Google is the fourth largest company in the world.

00:37:06.120 So if you want a company like that to learn a lesson, the only way to do it is to slap them with damages that they never want to happen again.

00:37:15.120 Right.

00:37:15.420 So that's our hope is, is that they're going to be held accountable and that we're going to change the rules and set the precedent here so that there is a first principle with AI that it can do no harm against humans.

00:37:26.240 And if there is some massive damage at the end of this that is assigned to me and I'm paid out by, I plan to use that, you know, in good stewardship, right, to help humanity to be able to navigate these waters and ensure that we have AI that's fair and unbiased.

00:37:42.080 And remember, you're a good friend that never said anything bad about you on the air ever.

00:37:46.940 Not once.

00:37:47.840 That's true.

00:37:48.620 That's true.

00:37:49.020 You'll get a very nice ticket.

00:37:52.960 Wow.

00:37:53.600 Where is this going to be?

00:37:55.140 Where is the trial going to be?

00:37:56.320 Please don't say California.

00:37:58.380 No, not California, Delaware.

00:37:59.820 But we just got our judge assigned.

00:38:01.760 And, you know, I really feel like this is one of those cases where no matter where you are, you know, there's the appeals process and things like that.

00:38:10.640 And at the end of the day, in the highest courts, when you look at this case, I mean, I don't see how any judge, even one that really dislikes me, looks at it and finds a way to get rid of it.

00:38:20.280 And that's, I mean, it's what they did is so egregious.

00:38:24.020 It has to be answered for in some way.

00:38:27.280 And especially since it will never, ever go away.

00:38:29.840 They've got to find a way to purge that stuff.

00:38:32.740 They have to.

00:38:33.380 I mean, you know, maybe they made that mistake this time, but that can't be made a second time.

00:38:37.340 I mean, that destroys people forever, forever and ever and ever and ever.

00:38:43.120 That's a big part of our goal is making sure this doesn't happen to anybody else.

00:38:46.900 Well, I'm glad it's finally stopped and to some extent and we'll be following.

00:38:52.860 Thanks so much, Robbie.

00:38:53.640 Appreciate it.

00:38:54.540 Thank you, Glenn.

00:38:55.160 Appreciate it.

The Glenn Beck Program - November 10, 2025

Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Robby Starbuck ｜ 11⧸10⧸25

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