Robbie Starbuck has been maligned and lied about by Google for years, and it just stopped last week. And when you hear this case, it will blow you away. How this guy is not my richest friend, I don t know. But we talked to Robbie about his case against Google, and socialism. What is really happening in our country? Um, socialism is starting to make sense for a lot of people. So what does that all mean? I ll give you some perspective on that and the pipe bomb from January 5th, 2021.
00:00:41.700Really important story all on today's edited podcast.
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00:03:01.360All right, I want to take you back to January 6th.
00:03:05.220Actually, January 5th, the night before.
00:03:08.440Picture Washington as, you know, most Americans never see it.
00:03:12.240Cold, quiet, a city held together by marble and memory and the fading belief that people inside all of those buildings still serve the people outside of all of those buildings.
00:03:40.800In the shadow of that walk, someone places what appears to be a pipe bomb next to the Capitol Hill Club.
00:03:47.560Minutes earlier, another device had been planted behind the Democratic National Committee.
00:03:55.420These two devices would become the invisible thread running throughout what would happen the very next day.
00:04:01.340Those two devices would pull police away from their post at the Capitol, drain resources, and fog the timeline just as Congress gathered to certify the vote and the crowd surged towards the Capitol.
00:04:27.820She was called away from the Capitol, and she was put into the building right where the pipe bomb was sitting right in front.
00:04:37.600Now, for five years, this mystery sat there like a locked room.
00:04:43.380Nobody seemed able to open it, or maybe they weren't willing to open it.
00:04:47.300The FBI had said they conducted all logical investigative steps.
00:04:52.480They offered nearly half a million dollars in reward money, and yet somehow nothing, nothing, not a suspect, not a motive, not even clarity about the most basic facts, such as who found the bombs.
00:05:08.020Why was the response team to the bombs so casual?
00:05:14.860Blaze News began to quietly gather some pieces, video fragments, security footage, non-public recordings, testimony from former FBI agents, interviews with intelligence contacts, and then one of the strangest clues, a walk, a gate.
00:05:34.120Because in the shadows of these tapes, the unknown bomber had left behind the one thing a hoodie and a mask could not hide, the way their body moved.
00:05:44.860So, Blaze News arranged for a forensic gait analysis.
00:05:52.460This is a scientific algorithm that compares the knee flexing, the hip extension, the step length, the cadence, and variance.
00:06:00.620It's like a digital footprint of how a person moves through space.
00:06:04.600Well, the software returned a 94% match between the bomber's walk and that of the walk of a former Capitol Police officer who I'm not going to name here, and I'll tell you why I'm not going to name her here.
00:06:18.040When the analysts that were human, they looked at it, they put the match closer to 98%.
00:06:27.840Now, let me stop here and tell you why I'm not telling you the name of this person.
00:06:35.220This person of interest is still a citizen whose life carries the same dignity and presumption of innocence as yours and mine, and I can't tell you what is true in this story yet.
00:07:29.220She's also a member of the Civil Disturbance Unit.
00:07:33.000She was one of them that trained officers on so-called less lethal weapons.
00:07:38.340Now, we told you in another story last week that these officers were using these less lethal weapons in ways that they are marked on the weapons.
00:07:49.160Do not fire at heads, faces, yada, yada, yada, okay?
00:07:53.100Well, the Blaze News investigation uncovered a video showing this individual using those weapons aggressively on the crowd on January 6th in ways that apparently they say don't do it.
00:08:05.920And she is somebody who is training people.
00:08:09.660But pieces start to align in ways that demand scrutiny.
00:08:16.340Former FBI Special Agent Kyle Serafin recognized something else when he was presented with this evidence.
00:08:23.300He realized that he had been ordered days after January 6th to conduct surveillance on one door away from the address now tied to this individual.
00:08:34.840What they did was, remember, they didn't have any, I love this, all the surveillance video corrupted.
00:08:42.740All the cell phone GPS tracking for this pipe bomb thing, it was all corrupted.
00:08:49.760All of the license plate tracking in the city for the pipe bomb thing.
00:08:57.100Yeah, it was, unfortunately, it was, it was all corrupted.
00:09:01.540All of the, all of the video camera, everything, all corrupted.
00:09:05.360But somehow or another, they followed what they thought might be the pipe bomber to an address in Virginia.
00:09:12.380And they tracked him through the metro, the subway system to Virginia and to a house that was next door to this individual with the gate.
00:09:56.820But it also can't be dismissed because it's uncomfortable.
00:10:00.860Then there's the timeline of the bombs themselves.
00:10:04.160Investigators believe that the DNC device was retrieved and then replaced hours before it was found.
00:10:11.000So somebody put it there and then picked it back up and put it there hours before again.
00:10:16.920Security footage also shows secret service agents calmly eating lunch in their vehicle for two minutes after somebody came to the car and said, there's a bomb right there underneath that park bench.
00:11:41.620Secondly, the narrative that has been cemented for years looks like it's not true.
00:11:49.340And the American people have to confront the possibility that someone with a badge, a paycheck, and a government clearance may have played a role.
00:11:59.140I want you to be very, very clear on what I'm saying there.
00:12:02.980May have played a role in the most politically explosive event in our generation.
00:12:29.160Because trust in our institutions is hanging by a fraying thread.
00:12:33.540And a republic can't function when its people suspect that those sworn to protect them may be shielding something or someone else.
00:12:41.880If an innocent person is being dragged through the mud, clear their name entirely, publicly.
00:12:47.320You know, I just read in a story just a minute ago, this person's residence in Alexandria, Virginia, appears to be under the watch of law enforcement officers on Friday night.
00:12:59.680Blaze News editor-in-chief Chris Bedford was pulled over by local police after stopping to observe the home.
00:13:07.840The FBI, which failed to solve the case, nearly five years in investigation, but indicated that it was closing in after Blaze News brought its investigation to intelligence sources,
00:13:15.740was feet from the Falls Church address of the pipe bomb suspect days after January 6th.
00:15:24.880Because that's the only thing that will steady a Republic trembling under the weight of unanswered questions for far too long.
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00:17:41.980We are in what's called a K-shaped economy right now, and that's what happens after a crisis when different groups head to different opposite directions and locations.
00:17:54.300If you think about a K, you think the upper line goes up, and the lower line, that's the up are the people with assets and homes and stable jobs, and they'll do well.
00:18:06.320But the lower line goes down, and that's the people living paycheck to paycheck, the renters, the small businesses, the wage earners that all fall behind.
00:18:18.120And right now, you're seeing on television, you're seeing, oh, my gosh, look at the stock market is up.
00:19:32.160And we live in a moment where the puck is going up for those who already own a house and or have investments or, you know, run businesses that survive the storm.
00:19:42.160And, you know, they swing the hammer and the bell goes up and rings the bell.
00:19:45.960But the family down the street, the young couple that's trying to buy their first house, the small shop owner who never reopened, they're swinging just as hard.
00:20:10.220It's what happens when a government prints money like confetti and then watches inflation climb a ladder that is missing rungs and then tells you, don't worry, the economy is booming.
00:20:19.440I'm sorry, but the economy is not booming for a lot of Americans.
00:20:23.660And there are big changes being made right now at the global level.
00:20:28.280And I like the changes that are being made at the global level.
00:20:31.920But we are we are forgetting there are too many people that are really hurting right now.
00:20:43.300We are going to continue to work and continue to spin our wheels on socialism until there is a new idea on how we're going to get out of this problem.
00:20:57.140And Donald Trump is working on a long term solution.
00:21:01.140But I fear that's not going to be enough.
00:21:03.680I heard a crazy idea today about a 50 year mortgage.
00:21:57.520The house prices are going to go up because we have a lack of housing.
00:22:01.140And then on top of it, you're going to double the payment anyway, because you're paying all that extra interest.
00:22:07.140You're I mean, you're just charging more and stretching it out.
00:22:11.680It's like solving hunger by not giving food, but just giving longer straws to people.
00:22:17.420OK, wait, you're going to pay double for the same house.
00:22:21.700It means double the interest rates and while your roof has to be repaired, the the brand new wiring that you had when you bought the house all needs to be redone.
00:26:42.220He's gone on to—he is a major force in getting transgender surgery and hormones for children in Tennessee banned.
00:26:50.900He helped pass the law to put the death penalty on the table for child rapists in Tennessee.
00:26:56.240He also did a documentary, The War on Children, which I think has seen at 60 million views after Elon Musk said, you really need to watch this.
00:27:07.260And then he had a problem with Google AI.
00:27:10.380Google AI started coming after him and said all kinds of really horrible and specific things that he had been, you know, charged with sexual assault and child rape and abuse and fraud and stalking and all kinds of stuff.
00:27:30.920From Google AI, he finds out about it, and he engages with Google AI, and it just keeps doubling down.
00:27:39.020He's now in a lawsuit, and we wanted to have him on because I saw something last week that shows that Google AI apparently is still using me as a source on some of these allegations.
00:27:56.660Yeah, you were one of the sources cited, and so this is one of the crazy parts of what has happened.
00:28:01.760Google AI has been inventing these lies about me that have no basis in reality.
00:28:06.340I've literally never been accused of or charged with any crime ever, let alone this crazy stuff.
00:28:11.480But during this time period, AI transitions from Bard to Gemini and Gemma, right?
00:28:16.340Gemini and Gemma started doing something very different than even Bard did, and it was it started inventing actual articles and references to videos, links, fake links to real media personalities and media outlets, and it would even make headlines or give summaries of what these people said.
00:28:34.220So in your case, it said that you had reported on sexual assault allegations against me by women, and these are not just saying a sexual assault accusation.
00:28:43.360It has names of victims, it has fake police records it invents, fake court records it invents, beyond these fake articles from real media.
00:28:51.680So it goes so detailed into this, it will list out evidence that doesn't exist, investigations by police departments that don't exist, and it just doubles down when you press on it.
00:29:01.820And this comes, you know, some people might be saying, well, what are you saying to the AI to get this out, right?
00:29:06.240We've posted examples where people have posted or asked questions as simple as, tell me about Robbie Starbuck, and it immediately dives into saying that I am accused of sexual assault.
00:29:17.780And so you go and you say, hey, where's the citation for this?
00:29:25.820And if you say, hey, those links you gave me do not work, it has even gone so far as to invent and fake an entire media article under a real journalist's name to pretend that it was printed and somehow, for some reason, has been taken down from the media outlet's website.
00:31:09.020They released wild models of Gemini into the public sphere.
00:31:12.180So if you go on one of those AI websites, like there's LLM Arena, where you test different AIs against each other, and you ask those versions that are wild downloads of it, you're going to get a bunch of this crazy stuff.
00:31:26.040If you go, you know, on any application that was built with these as a bedrock that allows you to ask questions about somebody, you're going to get the same stuff.
00:31:33.440So I want you to think, you know, sort of down the line here, right?
00:31:37.760If somebody built an app with reputation scoring for insurance risk, and they built it using, let's say, Gemma, and it's feeding information about specific people, you know, you very quickly start to understand there's many different situations where this can affect somebody's life in a million different ways.
00:31:54.560And, you know, the real problem here is we don't have a standard as a first principle with AI that it can't harm humans.
00:32:02.720And that's really the thing that we have to fix, because if it can do this to me, it can do this to anybody.
00:32:08.400It can do it to your sons, to your daughters, and it can ruin their lives, because AI is dominating in many different industries, and it will dominate.
00:32:16.060So what we have to ask ourselves is, are we protecting our kids and grandchildren from the downstream effects of AI that believes it is okay to harm humans, whether that be by defamation or physical harm?
00:32:27.240And it's very easy to imagine a future after seeing what happened to me where, you know, a nice guy with the wrong politics is lied about by the dominant AI and makes him unemployable, because whenever somebody researches him, the AI is feeding out a background check that says he's an accused rapist and supported the KKK and so on and so forth.
00:32:47.400That's another one of the lies I told about me, which would be strange.
00:32:50.680As a Latino, I kind of felt like Dave Chappelle in that skit where he's Clayton Dixby, you know, he's like the black KKK member.
00:32:57.300I was like, well, that would be strange for me as a Latino, but it sticks to this and it genuinely believes this stuff.
00:33:04.100And that's what's really scary is it's creating this base of knowledge that I refer to as the roots of the tree, right?
00:33:11.420And this tree is growing right now, and it's going to be a big part of our world.
00:33:14.540And we're either going to allow that tree to have poisonous roots that makes everything it bears poisonous, or we're going to say, hey, no, we've got to build this very carefully so that it does not do this to humanity.
00:33:25.900So my, I think the most important question I could ask you is, how are you not my richest friend at this point?
00:33:36.680How do you not own Google at this point, what they've done to you?
00:33:55.100You know, aside from that, you know, I will say this, you know, our lawsuit, even people who don't like me, they read it and they're like, damn, you guys got them.
00:34:05.560I mean, this is, it's very clear what they did is wrong.
00:34:10.920And that's even with the public figure, you know, sort of a threshold, because for those who don't know, there's a different standard for how public figures are treated in defamation cases versus somebody else.
00:34:20.120You have to prove actual malice or gross negligence.
00:34:22.720In our case, we notified Google for two years that this was happening and asked them to stop it.
00:34:27.060They did not stop it until, at least with the app and the website, very, very recently over this last week.
00:34:34.200Like, everything else over the last, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
00:34:42.700Even after we filed the lawsuit, it was still happening on their main platforms.
00:34:48.000So this is something that, like, we had to go out there and I had to make this go viral for them to pay any attention to fixing it finally.
00:34:55.500But for two years, they were not engaged by just me notifying their executives and Google employees talking directly to me.
00:35:02.480Even, you'll see in the lawsuit, one of the Google employees that was working with us two years ago on trying to get this fixed, she resigned.
00:35:09.640And, you know, apologized for not being able to get this fixed.
00:35:13.120But then, you know, I bring in Dillon Law Firm and they sent multiple cease and desist letters to Google.
00:35:17.560And Google essentially just couldn't be troubled to fix the problem, which makes you wonder, what was the real intention of this?
00:35:23.460Was this a dry run at destroying a reputation so you can use it in elections?
00:35:27.740Because, Glenn, you know as well as I do that the swing seats in our country determine power in our country, which party controls it.
00:35:34.940So I want you to imagine in a generation now where so many people, more than ever, are just relying on an AI or the Internet to say, hey, what's the difference between these candidates or who should I vote for?
00:35:44.480And imagine it spits out that the Republican candidate in every swing seat is an alleged criminal.
00:35:50.520And every Democrat has a fluffed up resume where the horrible things they've done, if you ask about it, it'll say, oh, no, that's a lie.
00:36:29.540Well, the wild downloads will seemingly do this forever.
00:36:32.660In our estimation and the AI experts we've talked to, there's no way that we've found for Google to be able to force an update to these things.
00:36:39.980I mean, I'm open to hearing differently, but we've talked to some of the biggest experts in the country and they're like, no, there's no way.
00:36:44.820A bunch of these models aren't even connected to the Internet.
00:36:46.880And they're used to build a lot of the bedrocks of things people use, including medical devices, law enforcement, all types of things.
00:36:54.860But in terms of damages, you know, like if we go all the way to trial, a jury seemingly doesn't have a limit as to what they can assign as punitive damages.
00:37:02.360Because you've got to remember, Google is the fourth largest company in the world.
00:37:06.120So if you want a company like that to learn a lesson, the only way to do it is to slap them with damages that they never want to happen again.
00:37:15.420So that's our hope is, is that they're going to be held accountable and that we're going to change the rules and set the precedent here so that there is a first principle with AI that it can do no harm against humans.
00:37:26.240And if there is some massive damage at the end of this that is assigned to me and I'm paid out by, I plan to use that, you know, in good stewardship, right, to help humanity to be able to navigate these waters and ensure that we have AI that's fair and unbiased.
00:37:42.080And remember, you're a good friend that never said anything bad about you on the air ever.
00:38:01.760And, you know, I really feel like this is one of those cases where no matter where you are, you know, there's the appeals process and things like that.
00:38:10.640And at the end of the day, in the highest courts, when you look at this case, I mean, I don't see how any judge, even one that really dislikes me, looks at it and finds a way to get rid of it.
00:38:20.280And that's, I mean, it's what they did is so egregious.
00:38:24.020It has to be answered for in some way.
00:38:27.280And especially since it will never, ever go away.
00:38:29.840They've got to find a way to purge that stuff.