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Rudy Giuliani joins us to discuss where the Trump administration stands on the Pennsylvania primary election and what they are doing to make sure the election is not stolen from them. Also, we talk about how much time is left to count the remaining absentee mail-in ballots.
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Hey, great, great episode of the podcast today.
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Some things that I learned through this election that I think is really, really important.
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We go over the things that you might be seeing online.
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Everything you need for the election on today's podcast.
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All right, I want to tell you, first of all, where the Trump administration stood, according to the White House, yesterday.
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And Rudy Giuliani is going to be joining us in a few minutes, and he's going to give us where they stand today and what their strategy is.
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Here's the state of play pathway to victory in Pennsylvania.
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There are more than a million ballots left to be counted, including roughly 300,000 in Philadelphia.
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Using extremely conservative estimates, even if the president receives only 5% of the ballots in Philadelphia and then 30% of the remaining ballots.
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These are all the ballots, the rest of the million.
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The president will win Pennsylvania by 40,000 votes.
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We are confident of winning because many of these absentee mail-in ballots are from conservative counties.
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There are 54,000 ballots left to be counted in Cumberland County, 40,000 ballots left to be counted in Westmoreland County, a county where President Trump won 69% of the vote.
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There are 20,000 ballots left to be counted in Franklin County, a county where President Trump won more than 82% of the vote on Tuesday.
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There are 20,000 ballots left to be counted in Beaver County.
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They believe that they will win more than 5% of the ballots in Philadelphia County because of the inroads that he made with blacks and Hispanics.
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They expect to overperform the historic GOP margin of minority voters by 2% to 5%.
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But as of yesterday, they were saying, if we get only 5% of Philadelphia and 30% of the remaining ballots, they will take Pennsylvania.
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Now, I put Stu in an incredibly awkward position because, well, he's the gay character on a conservative show, so he's got to be the bad guy.
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Hmm. That's right. I forgot about that. I also forgot about being gay.
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But I am asking him to look at all of the stats and look at both sides of everything and tell me where anybody has it wrong.
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Now, this is from the White House yesterday, so things have changed.
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They've counted more. Tell me where we stand in Pennsylvania.
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They're taking aside these sort of things that you're seeing about fraudulent activities that the administration or the campaign is correctly going and looking into all of these and doing everything they can to try to stop anything that might be shady.
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Just talking about the general pacing of the arc, that is a story arc that's revealed to us as cinematic viewers as we sit here and watch the election results come in.
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What we expected from the beginning was Donald Trump to come out to a very large lead.
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And as these mail-in ballots came out, it would start to be, they would chip away and we would see what happened at the end.
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So as of right now, Donald Trump has 50.5% of the vote.
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There's still a lot of vote to happen in places like Philadelphia.
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That was the thing the media said that Trump said, you know, you've got to stop counting.
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Yes, we all agree that they should stop voting.
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You could just have machines churning out ballots.
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But the numbers that the campaign gives there are, or at least were as of yesterday, accurate.
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But the important thing to remember, though, is those were largely in-person tileys.
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So if you're in a Republican county where he got 69% of the vote, you'd expect the mail
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vote to be much less positive for Donald Trump.
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He might still win it, but he wouldn't win it by that sort of march.
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So if he was in a county where they got 69, he's only counting on getting 30%, which I
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And that's about the margins that you'd expect.
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Now, they expect there's about 10% of the vote left overall in the state.
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It's probably a little bit less than that by now.
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Joe Biden would need to make up about 140,000 votes from where we are now.
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I would say that you'd expect this to be tight.
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People who look at this at the county level right now expect Joe Biden to have enough votes
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But if things play out the way they expect them to play out, they would put Donald Trump
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Let me go to Arizona, because there is a lot of argument with Arizona and confusion with
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First of all, let's address a couple of things.
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The fact that some people were told to use Sharpies.
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Other people said not to use Sharpies, and they say their votes aren't counting.
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The explanation is that is not true, that it will count felt markers.
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They prefer that you don't use Sharpies because it bleeds through, but it still counts all of
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But they're saying now that the rumor is that they're throwing out anything that was used,
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You can bet your life that if it is true, Donald Trump will be suing over that.
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Any time there's any suspicion of anything, Donald Trump and his legal team, and I'm sure
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as Rudy Giuliani will soon describe to us, it's going to be all over it.
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And the media is acting as if this is not exactly what would happen if the Democrats were in
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They will do everything they can to try to win and to make sure every legal vote counts.
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He has a responsibility, as does Joe Biden, to make sure that every vote that went for
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I believe they have the responsibility to make sure that every vote was counted, not just
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But that's what the each that's what each side is doing.
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And I think Americans will accept any result as long as it is fair.
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If it if it was gained by fraud, you're not going to bring America together.
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But Joe Biden, I wildly disagree with him, and I will fight against his policies every step
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Uh, and for president, uh, Kamala, I will do the same, but she and he are the president
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and vice president, uh, or the former president, God rest his soul and the new president.
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No, it doesn't mean we do, but we respect a legitimate process.
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And we just need to make sure this is all legitimate.
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So we need to be the place that we may not be feeding you the food you want.
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Um, if you just want to say it's being stolen, I believe that there are many things that could
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Uh, especially in places like Pennsylvania and Detroit.
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Um, but we have to be very careful and make sure that everything is accurate on what we
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We should point out to that, you know, a viral video on YouTube is enough of a reason
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at this point for the Trump campaign to look into it really closely.
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It's not enough to say that there's evidence of any of these things happen.
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We all know that people post videos all the time of things that aren't true.
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Um, but the, the, the Trump, this is the Trump campaign's job.
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It's why people have donated, donated millions of dollars to legal defenses to try to get
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Uh, this is, this is what they're doing right now, 24 seven.
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And I'm sure Giuliani will outline some of the efforts they're going after.
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If they can get these things to be proven, then votes might change.
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But that is, that's, that's the sort of level of standard they have.
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I don't think I've ever made a donation to the RNC, but, uh, Tanya and I did, but we made
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it for the legal defense of, of Donald Trump, uh, at this time.
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I have, uh, I've heard from, uh, people behind the scenes that the RNC is fighting really
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That's what I hear from people who don't like the RNC.
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Um, and there is still hope that this is going to turn around.
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A final batch of mail-in ballots is still being counted with the latest arriving ballots.
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The White House yesterday believed that over half a million votes remain to be counted.
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They expect two thirds and seven tenths of those ballots.
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Um, last night or the night before, uh, they won 62% of the 80,000 election day votes that
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They expect that margin to be higher in the rest of the state.
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This is what, this is one that is absolutely in play.
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Uh, they, the Trump administration complained, uh, a lot about the state being called at the
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It's been called only by Fox news and the associated press.
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I mean, Nate Silver said yesterday that the, the, they should retract the call.
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Now I, Maricopa County is getting much, much closer.
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It's unlike, for example, the situation in Pennsylvania where Trump keeps, you know,
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shedding votes, not shedding votes, but like the margin gets closer and closer and Biden
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It's the reverse in Arizona where in Arizona, these votes are coming in.
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Positively for the president and he's closing the gap.
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He needs to, I think they said they needed two thirds of the vote.
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Um, I don't think they necessarily need that much.
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I think that's what they said they were expecting was two thirds.
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They said we expect two thirds to seven tenths of these ballots.
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So what, so far what they're getting is about 60%.
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They need about 60% to pull this off of all the remaining ballots.
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The issue is, uh, in Maricopa County, they're doing that.
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There's a bunch of votes in Pima County where they, people expect they will do worse than
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Uh, let's, let's, let's look at a couple of ways in which we win.
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We, we win by holding on to a state that we have won and they're trying desperately to
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Remember, we went to court because they wouldn't allow our inspectors to view the 130,000 mail-in
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We, we have no idea if they're empty paper, if they're filled out correctly, if the same
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person voted 10 times, um, if they're all 130,000 Biden ballots, the law requires that
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we had to be given an opportunity to observe that was completely violated.
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We were allowed to observe a roughly, uh, you know, uh, two first downs away from the
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Uh, we were told we could use binoculars, we could use binoculars and that went on for
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We went to court, we got, we got before a completely, uh, uh, why not a corrupt judge
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Democrat who, who ruled, uh, Glenn, that you, uh, you fulfill the right to observe by just
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having the person in the room, even if they're 50 feet away and can't see a damn thing.
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We took it up to the intermediate court in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania state court reversed
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So wait, can you go back and look at all of those ballots?
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I'm going to move that they all be disqualified.
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He's running seven, eight to one, eight to seven to three, eight to two.
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Um, I wouldn't mind taking out 130,000 Philadelphia ballots and that's what they deserve.
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That would put them, that would put the president ahead now by 400,000 with 8% to count.
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Now, I mean, it is totally corrupt that they haven't called Pennsylvania for them, you know,
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It's legally impossible to steal the number out to, to get the number of votes.
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Virtually 80% of the remaining votes would have to be for him.
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And the remaining votes now, particularly if we just qualify, these all come from Trump
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But let me, let me give you the counter argument.
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Um, the counter argument is yes, but these are all mail-in ballots and those were running
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Oh, well, these mail-in ballots, we're going to have disqualified.
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We're talking about the remaining ballots, the absentee ballots and the ballots cast on
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election day that haven't been 8% of those haven't been counted yet.
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8% of what was cast that day has not been counted yet.
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8% of what's been cast that day or 8% of absentee ballots in counties that are pro Trump.
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I'm willing to accept absentee ballots in counties that were 60% pro Trump, 70% pro Trump, 75% pro.
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Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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So you want all absentee ballots thrown out, uh, not just the, no, no, no, no, wait, wait,
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we want the mail ballots thrown out and legitimate absentee ballot.
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We have no grounds for throwing that out because we're going to get to observe that and have
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observed that that's the one way you request it.
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We can look at that and object if it's something wrong with it.
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The votes that we weren't allowed to observe were the pure mail-in votes.
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The new thing the Democrats created this year where you can just mail in a vote.
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There are 130,000 of those that have been counted in, uh, the Philadelphia area.
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We have not had the ability to observe any single one of them.
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The ones we weren't able to observe, we want thrown out.
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And you'd agree with the statement, Rudy, of course, that, uh, look, we want all legal
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votes that were cast to be counted, whether it's for your guy or not.
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And a legal vote is a vote, whether it's an absentee vote or a mail-in vote that both
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The law requires that we have the opportunity to observe.
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We were denied the opportunity to observe 21 hours throughout the state of Pennsylvania,
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And that similar thing happened in Milwaukee, where we have another lawsuit in Michigan.
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And in Nevada, it looks like it was a nationwide plan of the Democrat Party, part of this whole
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mail-in thing they did to make sure Democrats only inspected them.
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And Republicans never got a chance to see them.
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Do you need that 130,000 votes thrown out to win Pennsylvania?
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I think we, I mean, that, that, with that vote, presumably already counted, because they
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put it in, we're ahead by 230,000 votes with about 8% to go.
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How many, how many ballots, 8%, how many ballots is that?
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Well, they virtually would have to get, uh, virtually have to get about 85 to 90% of the
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remaining vote, which, uh, about half or more of which comes from Trump areas.
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It's impossible to get that many votes in an election that's this close.
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And he didn't run that far ahead in the cities like Hillary did, so that the cities just wipe
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So, tell me what is next, uh, because you, you got a favorable ruling last night, but does
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that ruling mean that you could go back and look at those votes, or are they saying those
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And so that's, I think by the time I, by the time I announced this to you, the Democrats
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And, um, the best we can get right now is that temporarily they won't be counted.
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Gee, I hate to announce what they're going to do, but we're going to have to take this to
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Now, those ballots, are they separate from all the other ballots?
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What are you filing, if anything, in other states?
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Arizona, we're waiting, we're waiting for the, for another group of votes to be counted.
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We believe we're going to get ahead in Arizona.
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And at this point, we're less than two points away.
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And our, our, our people tell us that most of the votes that are coming in come from our
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So, and even in Maricopa County, which we could have been hurt in, we didn't get really hurt
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I mean, that's literally, that's literally nothing.
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Whereas, uh, whereas we're ahead by two and a half percent in Pennsylvania.
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It is, uh, it's incredible to me with Nevada that they keep changing the time.
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So you can't, you can't, uh, know any of the numbers and not releasing anything until
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And I, and I, and I don't even have a good, I don't even have a good feel yet because the
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people who are doing it for us are kind of like almost locked in.
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I don't have a good feel for what opportunity do we have for observation there.
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I am told, I am told anecdotally that we're not being able to observe once again, the mail
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They let us observe the absentee ballots to the extent they're counting them.
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They let us do our proper observation of the, of the analysis of the, let's say the
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election day ballots, but they, they kind of hold the mail ballots like they belong to
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These are special ballots that belong only to Democrats.
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So we're getting close to a possible federal lawsuit on that.
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And you know, Glenn, it was always the president's thought from the very beginning that this whole
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idea of mail was for them to have enough votes available.
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Well, I think he's been treated really horribly, of course, by the press, because he is not,
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Well, allow the other side to observe that's cheating in election law.
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And CNN didn't call Arizona and nobody else has.
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Even Nate Silver came out and said Fox has to retract it.
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If we don't win Arizona, they may very well be the reason we didn't win Arizona.
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But I got to tell you, not just the White House gets upset.
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You know, we expect to get kicked in the backside by CNN and MSNBC and all those people.
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But for Fox to call Arizona when there was when there was no bait, when when we're ahead,
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we're ahead in Pennsylvania at that time by 15 percent and you don't call Pennsylvania.
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We're ahead in Pennsylvania now by two and a half percent, when only six percent to count.
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They can't win in Pennsylvania except it cheap.
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They called Wisconsin three tenths of a percent.
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How can you call a state with three tenths of a percent?
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If Pennsylvania at two and a half percent with only six percent to go is too close to call,
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you're darn right that Michigan and Wisconsin are too close to call.
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And Georgia, the word is today that what's left is just votes in Atlanta
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And of course, rumors of all kinds that they found votes here, they found votes there.
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The longer you let this go, the more chance there is to cheat.
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I mean, you can count the votes of New York and California in 12 hours.
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You mean to tell me we haven't finished the vote count in Georgia?
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When you don't finish a vote count, there's an old trick that you used in Florida all the time.
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And then you hope to slip in more votes, more votes, more votes.
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They missed by about three-tenths of a percent.
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That's why we have a statute of limitations in the law.
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He's got better legal theories than all our lawyers.
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I want to make sure that you are not feeling down in the dumps today.
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I want to make sure that you are not despairing today.
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Because there are some things we have learned over the last few days, and it's important.
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One of the most important things that we have learned over the last few days
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is that there are nearly 70 million people who love America and reject all of this political
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correctness, that reject the cancel culture, that reject the lies that America is a horrible
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70 million people that look at America the way you do, many of them learning to see America
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through the lens of founding principles for the very first time.
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And this alliance of freedom, it is broader and more inclusive than it ever has been before,
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It is now made up of old and young, male and female, black, white, brown, because it's beginning
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We learned that just like us millions of Americans, millions of Americans search and study and
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pray and try to understand the principles that have made America great and will keep America
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We found out that millions of Americans who really weren't paying attention for a long
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time, the media woke up and they started to see, wait, this isn't fair at all.
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That there are millions of Americans that they may not even like Donald Trump, but they stood
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for Donald Trump because they understood what was at stake.
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We saw millions of our fellow citizens line the streets and stand in the cold to be counted
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among the defenders of our nation, believers, patriots, warriors.
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The left dismisses everybody, everybody who voted like you and I did as dupes or hateful racists
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who are just following the racist in chief, because that's who America really is.
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We have to understand them so we can get them out of their racism.
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We understand that every one of us is different.
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There is no typical American that loves the Constitution.
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It used to be all Americans love the Constitution.
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But the progressives over the last hundred years have just taken it apart and destroyed
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And with it, they have destroyed the hopes and dreams and confidence of millions of Americans.
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We're bound by the best of what makes America great.
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The fact that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain rights.
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The knowledge that all men are created and created equal.
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We believe that unity of principle and purpose is what has always held us together.
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70 million people know that this isn't a perfect nation.
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The Constitution doesn't even say we're going to create a perfect nation.
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And that is a job for each and every one of us every single day.
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Those are the principles that hold the Constitution and this country together.
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Not blind collectivism dictated by an elite few.
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The somber truth is that while we found our patriotic voice, millions of our fellow citizens found something else.
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And while many of them seem just to be voting against Donald Trump.
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I also now believe that many of them are not just trying to get rid of Orange Man.
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And we may share something in common with those people.
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Just as we're not uninformed, hapless, blindness, useful idiots following a leader.
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I believe that more of them than we have thought are just as ideological as we are.
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But mark my words, they are not lovers of truth.
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Anyone, anyone who says shut up, sit down, that's not the answer.
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You have this answer that we all agree on or you're out.
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Anyone who says that, that's a club you don't want to be in.
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Anyone who says that is a, is forcing you into the position of being a mental midget.
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If you're a person of color that disagrees with your party, I don't care which party it is.
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And you go against the grain, that doesn't make you a sellout.
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There's a lot of people in this country, more than I thought, that divert and even will destroy the truth.
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They tell us every day not to believe what we're seeing with our own eyes.
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They stand in front of burning cars and burning buildings and say it's mostly peaceful.
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Even if that car behind you and the crowd behind you is only 10% violent, that's enough.
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If you voted for Trump, it doesn't make you a zombie or anti-anything.
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Not the freedom that we have to look to our master and say, can we do that?
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That is the freedom that others have in Europe.
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Many Americans who voted with the left, they do not think the Constitution is just a tired old document.
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They believe now it is a hateful set of ideals designed by a group of hateful men.
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And if you find yourself voting with the Democrats, you find yourself there.
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You better open your eyes because if what I just said to you says, how dare you say that about us?
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And it is their intention to utterly dismantle it.
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There isn't even such a thing as men and women anymore.
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Anyone who says you are guilty of something just because of your color.
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This election cycle has shown us that millions of us are united in that knowledge.
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Many in our nation have thought long and hard about Marxism.
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Most of us didn't even think it wasn't even on our radar for far too long.
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The tyranny of socialism and authoritarianism are speaking louder than ever before.
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I will write these things with my finger in the sand if I have to.
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The more they divide and try to conquer, in their arrogance they will lose.
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The more they divide and conquer, the more we must bind together in knowledge and strength and love.
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It's easy to be an American and believe in the Constitution.
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They are led by a dark power that seeks to destroy not just America, not just our way of life, but freedom itself.
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But you also have proof of the army that you are up against.
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We are not people that are itching for a fight, looking for a fight.
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I think civil war is the worst thing that could possibly happen.
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But if the left thinks we're going to sit down as they dismantle the Constitution, no, I won't do it.
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And this coalition, this coalition isn't the one that Donald Trump built.
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Donald Trump is a response to what millions of people have been yearning for.
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Somebody who will fight for them against the machine.
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And he's got millions of brothers and sisters that are standing behind him, beside him.
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More than ever before, it is time to stand, to unite, and to show courage.
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America, as our founders saw it, still lives and breathes in the hearts of millions.