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Selena Zito joins me to talk about her new book, "Butler: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, and how the assassination of our President changed him forever. Also, we spend a lot of time covering the Epstein scandal, and the fact that Democrats now are telling the press that they are afraid of their own supporters, and that their supporters are now starting to say maybe it's best if you get shot so it gets the attention of the American people.
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She's written a book about the attempt on the life of our president in Butler, Pennsylvania.
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It's a fascinating book. It's out today. It's called Butler.
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We talked to her today about some of the setup of, you know, the president, what he went through and how it changed him.
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Tomorrow we're going to do some more and we're going to talk about the killer, all based on the book Butler that is out today.
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Also, we spent a lot of time on really two stories.
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The Epstein video, which is just falling apart like crazy.
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And the fact that Democrats now are telling the press that they are afraid of their own supporters because their own supporters are now starting to say, maybe it's best if you get shot.
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Maybe it's best if there's blood so it'll get the attention of the American people.
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Meanwhile, you have the left starting to shed blood on our streets.
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Let me remind you about Minneapolis or yesterday.
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Do you release a tape that is supposed to be the evidence?
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Do you release a tape and then let the public find out for themselves that there's an edit in the tape?
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It could have been just a digital jump in the tape.
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So let's just say, let's just give them every benefit of the doubt and say it was just a digital jump in the tape.
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Do you not put an intern on it just to say, watch the clock and make sure there's no jumps or edit in the tape because we know everyone's going to watch 300 million people are going to be watching it and somebody's going to take the time to watch the clock.
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So watch the clock is every minute accounted for.
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And I think you could pretty easily say that if you wanted to, right, and your goal was you wanted to edit out a minute, it would be very easy to edit in a minute of footage that no one would notice.
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If you were trying to cover that, it would be easy to cover.
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You say at the beginning, there is an error at this point.
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The fact that you release it as proof without acknowledging that minute is – I just don't understand how you can make a mistake like that when your goal here is supposedly to put everyone's mind at ease.
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Let me just go back before we leave just this one.
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Remember when I said yesterday, your wife finds receipts for you buying presents at Tiffany's that she never got, that you were at a hotel that she's never been to, you were not coming home for dinner, you had long weekends and everything else.
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But she should demand the evidence because you don't want that hanging there on your relationship.
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Now, you give her the evidence, but then she finds out that, oh, well, it's the wrong receipt.
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It was a receipt, you know, that you explained away, but what you used as proof was not the same receipt.
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You were like, no, see, honey, this is when we went to the hotel together.
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And then she has it for a while, and she looks at it, and she's like, wait a minute, the date is different on this one.
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And it doesn't mean that he was cheating on you.
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And it certainly would make you have legitimate questions about the situation.
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Now, if it wasn't for the jump in the tape, and I'm going to call, I'm not even going to call it an edit because I don't think it was an edit.
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Is if the jump in the tape wasn't incompetent enough for you, listen to this one.
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So, the more and more we looked at this tape, I started looking.
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It was just weird because it looked like a janitor's closet.
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Well, I was like, I can tell you there's a woman that looks like a janitor that comes out of supposedly the person, the cell that they're saying is his cell, which they're not, by the way.
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This was like people on social media were saying this was the cell.
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So, I looked around to see if there was any confirmation on what this cell was.
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And I found an OIG report from the Justice Department two years ago that shows the camera angle and the one camera that was actually working.
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So, you can see the diagram, and I think we actually have it if you're watching this right now.
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There's a diagram that shows where this camera is.
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And the big thing that stands out, Glenn, is this camera doesn't even have eyes on Epstein's cell at all.
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There is a service wing, and that's what we're looking at with that door 46.
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That's like a service entrance or staff entrance.
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Now, you can't see on the lower level Epstein's cell at all.
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So, this is what makes it look even crazier for that one minute that's missing.
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And I will say that, okay, let me just say it this way.
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I've spent years and years and years looking at surveillance and security camera footage, as you know, in my previous job.
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I've never seen an over one minute jump right at a time that would be very, very, I don't know, just convenient.
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I've never seen that before in all my years looking at these things.
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Why do you say that minute would be convenient?
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You're just saying that one minute being gone is convenient.
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You're not saying that particular minute is important.
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It's convenient in this entire time frame based off of this camera angle.
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So, it's convenient, like, let's say 60 seconds would be great for someone walking across that lower level.
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60 seconds would be perfect for if you wanted to, like, conceal the fact that someone walked across that area.
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Here's why I didn't buy into this at first, okay?
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60 seconds to get in and open the door and then kill him and then leave, okay?
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If you look at the diagram where the camera is, there is just maybe a foot space where the camera is not able to see where there is a door
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Are you looking at, because I think it's hard to tell from this, are we looking, is this diagram the top floor or the bottom floor?
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So, it looks like Epstein, so I think Epstein sells on the top floor, yeah.
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So, I'm looking at where the staff area is, okay?
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See the yellow triangle and the red box where it's his cell.
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So, there is one way out of the staff area and it's right below the camera.
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Like, underneath the floor, essentially, of where the camera is.
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If the camera's up on a ceiling, is that what you're saying?
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The evidence that they're basically proclaiming here, and this is true, you know, what Jason's saying is true, that you can't see the door of the Epstein cell.
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What you can see is a common area that, in theory, you would need to cross to get to the cell.
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What you're saying, Glenn, is the camera doesn't actually show 100% of the potential paths to get there, right?
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If you cross right in front of the banister here on the bottom floor, there's no way you're going to see.
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If you look at the videotape, it's the white room downstairs, right?
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So, Epstein's room would be below the garbage can.
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The Epstein's room, if you look out, the area that you can see, and I apologize for radio listeners here that aren't seeing this visual, but I want to make sure we get this right.
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There's an open area where the banister is like the, and it shows the common area behind it, right?
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If you go to the right side of the common area from our view, outside of the view to the right is where the entrance to the cell is, the stairs up to the cell.
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So, all you have to do, you don't have to cross the floor.
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You can go through the door and see and just stay against the wall.
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I mean, I guess maybe, and Jason, maybe you know this, maybe it's explained somewhere else in the report, but like, is it possible that they're saying all the other entrances, like, to get to that area have cameras?
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And so, they didn't see anybody walking into those areas?
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If that were true, of course, you should release them.
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Why wouldn't you show the other, this is, you know, this is not proof that anybody did anything.
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The fact that, like, they would release that, because I think everyone had the same assumption.
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I think even Jason is a super duper skeptic on this.
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Even you had the assumption that what they were saying was the green doors were the cells, or at least to the cell area.
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That's what everyone, I think, thought when they saw it.
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Now, to be clear, like, the report, as you point out, Jason, previously had stated and shown this diagram that shows that they're talking about the common area.
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So that's not, like, it's, but, like, they, A, should have been very clear about that.
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What we're talking about is the common area, right?
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And, you know, I have that balcony upstairs by the fireplace.
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Stu arrived here, like, at midnight last night, because it's like a day's journey from anywhere.
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But we're going to go upstairs, and you put a camera, okay, down into the great room.
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You want to recreate the Epstein video in your house?
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And I want to show you, I can get to places in the room, because there's a whole floor.
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The balcony shows part, but it doesn't show the door.
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We're going to do this live on YouTube or something, maybe on X today, as soon as we get off the air.
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Again, it doesn't prove that this, you know, he was killed.
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However, it is the fact that they're releasing a video that has this many holes in it to a passing.
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Again, the person you're trying to make feel better about all of this is someone very interested in the detail of it, right?
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You're not releasing this to some person who kind of knows who Jeffrey Epstein is.
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This is intentionally designed to try to push down some, what you're arguing is a conspiracy theory.
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I'm not arguing that he killed himself or he didn't kill.
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You know, not only are you saying, you know, that these people have some interest in it.
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Well, you know, these people are, you know, interested in the details.
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You're releasing it to a bunch of people who many of them have the details, but many of them are hostile to what you're saying.
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You better not have anything that they find out later.
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And it could be, you know, you could make the couple of arguments that you probably could make here.
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One, they don't actually care about this and they're annoyed they have to deal with it.
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And if that's the truth, it's just inexcusable.
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The other thing they might argue, and this could be part of it, part of the rollout, there were reports at least that this got leaked, that this came out essentially earlier than they wanted it to come out.
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And so the rollout was not as well planned as they thought it was going to be.
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Now, it's possible, right, that they leaked it to Axios, but it's not exactly a typical location of a Trump leak.
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First of all, this administration has no leaks.
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A lot of this has been tight, but there does seem to be.
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Who knows how this was released and who did it?
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I mean, and it may be true that part of the rollout was hurt, right, because it was released before they were ready or something.
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They had a memo that explained what the video was and did not mention any of that, any of the issues we're talking about.
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But again, like, even with that explanation, which would make me happier, right, that they were at least available.
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Look, it still wouldn't make you a person who believes in this theory.
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But you at least have to try to make the easy things go away.
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Just started reading it or listening to it last night, and I wish you would have read it.
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But, you know, the lady who have reading it is very good.
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The writing of this is the best explanation on who Trump supporters are that I think I've ever read from anybody.
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And the description of your experience there at the edge of the stage with Donald Trump is pretty remarkable as well.
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You know, I was thinking about this as I was waiting to come on.
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And you and I have been along for this ride together for, what, since 2006, 2005, like 20 years, right?
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And I've been chronicling the American people for probably 10 more years before that.
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And it is really remarkable to me as watching how this coalition has grown, right?
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And watching how people have become more aspirational.
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And that is what the conservative populist coalition is, right?
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It is the aspirations of many, but the celebration of the individual.
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And chronicling them, yeah, has been a great honor.
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You know, I was thinking about this yesterday when Elon Musk said he was starting another party.
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And somebody asked me, well, isn't he doing what the Tea Party tried to do?
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And no, the Tea Party wasn't going to start a new party.
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It was to, you know, it was to coerce and convince the Republican Party to do the right thing.
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It didn't accomplish what we hoped, but it did accomplish a lot of things.
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And a lot of the people that were with it, right, were with Donald Trump, are the people that were with the Tea Party.
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So American politics has always had movements that have been just outside of a party or slightly within a party that galvanized and broadened the coalition, right?
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They don't take away and walk away and become another party.
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If anything, if there is a third party out there, it's almost the Republican Party because it has changed in so many viable and meaningful ways.
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It strengthened and broadened the Republican Party because these weren't just Republicans that became part of this party.
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And this unhappy with establishment Republicans and unhappy with Democrats.
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And that movement is what I see today, what I see every day.
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What I saw that day in Butler, when I showed up at that rally, as I do so many rallies, you know, throughout my career.
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And that one was riveting and changed everything.
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You talk about how things were going for Donald Trump and how this moment really did change everything for Donald Trump, changed the trajectory, changed the mood.
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I mean, Elon Musk was not on the Trump train until this moment.
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And I contend that we would have had much more profound change had the media actually done their job and reported this the way it really was.
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You know, and people will find this in the book.
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I'm laying on the ground with a agent on top of me.
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And there's there's notices coming up on my phone saying he was hit by broken glass.
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And I and to this day, that remains remains part of this subculture in American politics, because reporters were so anxious to to write what they believed happened as opposed to what happened.
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And it's been a continual frustration of mine as a reporter who is on the ground all the time.
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Now, I'll tell you what changed in that moment.
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And I believe nuance is dead in American journalism.
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But it was a nuance and it was a powerful conversation that I had with President Trump the next day.
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But it's also a powerful conversation I had with him just two weeks ago when he made the decision to say, fight, fight, fight.
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People have put in their heads why they think he said it.
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And he said, Selena, in that moment, I was not Donald Trump, the man.
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I was quite possibly going to be president again.
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And I had an obligation to the country and to the office that I have served in to project strength, to project resolve, to project that we will not be defeated.
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And it's sort of like that symbolic eagle that is always, you know, that symbol that we look at when we think about our country.
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He said, that's why I said that I didn't want the people behind me panicking.
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I didn't want the people watching it panicking.
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And it's that nuance that I think people really picked up on and galvanized people.
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So he told me when he was laying down on the stage, and you can hear him, let me get up.
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He told me as he was laying on the stage, I asked him, I said, what were you thinking?
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Now, Selena, I don't know about you, but with me, it would be like, how do I get off the stage?
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He said what was going through his mind was, you're not pathetic.
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And so is that what informed his fight, fight, fight of, by the time he's standing up, he's
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He thinks, and he and I just talked about this two weeks ago.
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He, you know, he's, and this is something he's really thought about, right?
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You know, and he's gone over and over and also purpose and God, right?
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These are things that have, have, have lingered with him.
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You know, he, he thought, yes, he did think it was pathetic that he was on the ground, but
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He's thinking my country is symbolically on the ground.
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I need to get up and I need to show that my country is strong, that our country is resolute.
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And I, and I think that then goes to that image of Biden.
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How many presidents do you think that you've personally been with would have thought that
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Reagan would have, Reagan probably would have thought that.
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And if you remember how he was out, like standing outside, you know, waving out the window,
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Had he had not been knocked out, like, you know, unconscious, he probably would have done
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have done the same thing because he was also someone who deeply believed in American exceptionalism
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and American exceptionalism does not lay on the ground.
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So let me go back to God because, um, you talk to him the next day in your, your book,
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Um, you, he calls you up and love the fact that you would, your parents would have been
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Um, the language you used, you just have to read, you just have to read the book to hear.
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This is a great part, but he calls you the next morning and wants to know if you're okay.
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And you, you then start talking to him about God.
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And I was, I was thinking about this as I was listening to it.
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You know, Lincoln said, I wasn't, I wasn't a Christian, uh, even though he was, he, I
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I became a Christian at Gettysburg is, is, I mean, I believe Donald Trump has always believed
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But do you think there was a, a real profound change at Butler with him?
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You know, he called me seven times that day, seven times the day after seven talked about,
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and, and I think he was looking for someone that he knew that was there and could try to
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I believed that he was having, you know, he was struggling and he needed to just talk.
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I know other reporters would have handled it differently.
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And, and, and I myself was having my own, like, what, why, why didn't I die?
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Uh, and, and, and so I let him, he led the conversation about God.
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He's like, I thought it was the biggest mosquito in the world that hit me.
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Um, but, but he talks profoundly about purpose.
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No, you know, and God and how God was in that moment.
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And if, if, if, if you've ever been in, in, in the book, I love the way you said that as
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he's kind of working it out in his own head, he was like, you know, I, I, I, I always knew
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that there was some sort of, you know, that God was present.
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He said, but now that this has happened, I look back at all of the trials, all of the
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tribulations, literally the trials, all of the things that have happened.
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And he's like, I realized God was there the whole time.
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And it's, it's fascinating to have been that witness to history, to have those conversations
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with him, because I'm telling you, and, and y'all know I can talk.
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I felt that was my purpose in that moment to give him that space to work it out.
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I'm someone that is, you know, believes in God.
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Um, and, and so I thought, well, this is why God put me here.
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And, and, and to, to have that, to, to hear him talk about purpose, to hear him say, Selena,
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I thought you were Ross Perot there for a second because, you know, he never has a chart
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And, and then he said, what, why did I put that chart down?
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I never turned my head away from people at the rally.
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It's a very emotive moment when you attend a rally, because he has a way of, of, of talking
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I don't remember consciously thinking about turn my head away.
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And then he says to me, he goes, Lena, that was God, wasn't it?
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He said, and that's, that's why I have, I have a new purpose.
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And, and, and so Glenn, I think it's important when you look at the breadth of what has happened
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since he was sworn in, you see that purpose every day.
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He continues going and, and, and it brings back to the beginning of the book where you
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find out that there was another president that was shot at in Butler and, and that was
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George Washington and how different the country would have been had he died in that moment.
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And now think about how different the country would be had president Trump died in that
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I mean, you didn't put it together, but you did a little, you, you, I did one squiggly
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And then I think it's important to look because I think, can we put the video up of what they
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released first, the video, um, what you're seeing on these two green doors, most people
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think, Oh, well that one of those, or the one off to the side by the phone, that must
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Um, if you have to look down the stairs and through the guardrail into the next room, that's
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the common area, but they're right next to the second green door, right by the edge.
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You see, and I don't even know if you can see it.
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It looks like you can see maybe the beginning of the stairs on the other side that would
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lead at those stairs would lead up to Epstein's cell block.
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And when you really understand what you are looking at this video, um, you don't have to
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You don't have to edit it because there's no, I mean, there's a million ways to avoid
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If you know that that's the one camera that's on, it's so easy to avoid it.
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And let me show you the schematic that Stu put together.
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The upper tiers are on the left-hand side, uh, in kind of the orange and you will see
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Uh, it's way away from any camera, completely away from any camera.
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Well, there, to be clear, there are cameras, just none of them are recording anything.
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There's one, two, three, four, four cameras, four cameras that would see every important
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The one that doesn't see the area is, is working fine.
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So, um, now let me look at the blue section because this is the downstairs in the common
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This is what you're looking at through the, you know, through the guardrail you're seeing
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down, you're seeing a part of this common area.
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So take us through this too, because this is incredible.
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So basically you're seeing a good chunk of the common area.
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Their argument would be to get to Epstein's cell block, you must cross through this common
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You wouldn't need to go through that if these schematics are as accurate as we understand
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You would not be able to get there from any other angle.
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Um, however, there is, if you look in the, and I'm explaining this to the radio audiences
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Uh, it, it, coming out of Epstein's cell block, staying close to the wall where his cell block
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is, staying close to the wall that comes under where the camera is, you are essentially taken,
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you can exit the entire cell block without being seen by that camera relatively easily
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Like, if you just stumbled through the middle of there, you would be seen.
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But if you were someone who, let's say, had a reason to kill a very famous pedophile,
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um, you could easily enter and exit without being seen by that camera at all.
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I don't see, and I don't think that that's, uh, there's a mistake there.
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Now, this of course doesn't address the idea of potentially another inmate being, uh, let
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out in his cell block, which you can't see at all, uh, that could easily be another,
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another explanation for someone, um, you know, uh, killing, uh, Epstein and not being seen
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To be clear, this video does not prove that Epstein was killed.
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What it does not achieve in my mind quite clearly is to make it impossible for that to have occurred.
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Like, you can absolutely, you, there's a path out of a door that comes directly below where
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the, uh, one working camera is, staying close to the, uh, the wall as you exit that door,
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You might have to stay on the right side of the stairs, but that's about it.
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Um, and then you, you, you walk up there and you're there and you can do the same thing
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on the way back and exit the cell block really with no problems.
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I mean, like you could recreate this, Glenn, if you, if you wanted to be, and if you were
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Nathan Fielder and had a giant HBO budget and wanted to do a rehearsal of the situation
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and very easily, uh, get there and back without being seen by that camera.
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Um, so I think it, you know, it just doesn't do the thing it's attempting to do.
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The only reason to release this video is to persuade people who are very much on the bandwagon
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And there's no way this video would achieve that goal.
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I need to know from Dan, what is it about this video that you saw?
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If this is the video he was talking about, it has to be right.
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Now, if you look at this, the schematic actually shows which cameras are working, which aren't
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I don't know if you noticed that on, on there, on the schematic I put together.
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Um, and, uh, you see the, uh, there's a bunch of cameras, one, two, three, four in
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the cell block on both floors, uh, uh, that have red boxes around them.
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All of them would have seen, uh, the area not covered by the one camera that is working.
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All of them would have seen it, which is incredible.
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I really, and now if in one other interesting details, if you look on the lower floor schematic
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that I created, uh, and you walk this path out, there is one other camera in, uh, the,
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uh, non cell block area, the area where the guards would, would do things, which is working.
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However, would not catch a person walking out, uh, to the one exit door.
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Now, I guess it is someone who would be somewhere.
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I don't know if it's the parking lot or something.
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I'm sure there's some camera, but I don't know that you'd be able to determine who the
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If you want to believe this conspiracy and, and I don't mean even a conspiracy in a demeaning
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way, but a conspiracy in that, you know, someone was working together to, to get this
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And this is such a red herring because yes, it's important to know if he killed himself
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It's not, it's not the top of my priority list.
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It's not, you know, none of the Epstein stuff is at the top of my priority list.
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Um, this is just a, a, a symptom when you're not seeing other people go to jail for you
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And there's not that they're not even trying to put them in jail.
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It seems there doesn't seem to be anything from the DOJ moving.
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Congress is doing their part, turning everything over.
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I, yeah, I think we can all agree that this video doesn't show anything, but can I just
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throw another coal in the fire, I'm just trying to rationalize what the FBI or DOJ are relying
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So if it's not the video, perhaps it's the prison guards.
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Well, if I may read another portion of the OIG report, this is talking about multiple different,
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um, uh, prison guards that were assigned that night during this, when this happened,
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it said during their shift, they each created and submitted falsified official Bureau of
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Prison forms, documenting inmate counts, often referred to as count slips and completed and
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signed more than 75 separate entries on an official BOP form, documenting 30 minute rounds,
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uh, often referred to as round sheets, falsely stating that they had conducted rounds when in
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So we have people lying, we have cameras not working, uh, falsified reports, uh, and a
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video that doesn't really show us what they said it shows us.
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I, maybe the curious mind would want to look into that.
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No, it says, uh, it says, uh, it says mandatory rounds must be conducted every 30 minutes on
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So the sign says, so they were supposed to go see him every 30 minutes.
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They falsified him or, and, or slept through them.
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Look, um, we can all agree that the Epstein sting operation was to get a number of top
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officials to do what deep state wanted them to do.
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So if I'm Trump, I don't think we can, we can't all say that we, we, we suspect that,
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but I don't think that that's not, that's what we're trying to prove.
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I mean, there's a lot of people that suspect a lot of things and it's definitely a possibility.
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It's a very good possibility, but yeah, because otherwise, uh, uh, you look at Epstein had ties
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to the CIA, uh, there, there are not a whole lot of other reasons for doing some, an operation
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So, so I, I, I'm not arguing with, I'm not arguing with your conclusion, Ed.
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I'm arguing with, let's not start conversations with, we all know, we all suspect, we all believe
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We must have the evidence and why are they holding it back?
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It only makes our, we all feel, we all know, um, you know, it only makes that stronger.
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So I'm just trying to make sure that we are not adding fuel to the fire on this.
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I listened to your show a lot, but this schematic thing, okay, let me, let me finish my thought
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If I was Trump, if I was Trump and the other, I had all the names of all of these people,
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When I can call these people on the phone and say, I have you on the Epstein list and
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I listen to you almost every day, but guess what?
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So I don't, so Ed, I don't believe ends justify the means ever.
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I have all the evidence and I am putting your ass in prison for the rest of your life.
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When you take a wrong and you then do something else that is wrong and you let, in this case,
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a child molester get away with it because I can get him to do what I want.
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That's, I mean, you've become what you're trying to destroy.
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Law enforcement uses junkies all the time to catch bigger junkies.
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And everybody knows that if you want to make an omelet, you've got to break a few eggs.
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And if I was Trump, I, and look at, I, do you believe that Trump's agenda is, is a just
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agenda and that he has, you know, I can't, I can't, I can't even go down this road with
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Jesus didn't compromise and he was literally crucified.
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There are, there are roads and see, this is where we get into trouble.
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There are things when you start to say, you know what?
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And so I can't, I can't go down with that road.
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Just not that, you know, that kind of thinking is exactly what the Democrats are warning about
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Now their own people are saying, you're not doing enough.
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Look at Donald Trump is a fascist and we all know it.
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I, you know, I know a lot of the audience is going to disagree, but I, I, I am who I am.
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I hope that you continue to listen, but I have to say what I believe is true.
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When I found out my friend got a great deal on a wool coat from Winners, I started wondering,
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Like that woman over there with the designer jeans.