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00:00:15.320 Hey, Selena Zito joins me today. 1.00

00:00:17.180 She's written a book about the attempt on the life of our president in Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:00:23.660 It's a fascinating book. It's out today. It's called Butler.

00:00:26.340 We talked to her today about some of the setup of, you know, the president, what he went through and how it changed him.

00:00:35.660 Tomorrow we're going to do some more and we're going to talk about the killer, all based on the book Butler that is out today.

00:00:41.340 Also, we spent a lot of time on really two stories.

00:00:44.700 The Epstein video, which is just falling apart like crazy. 0.66

00:00:48.600 And the fact that Democrats now are telling the press that they are afraid of their own supporters because their own supporters are now starting to say, maybe it's best if you get shot.

00:01:03.560 Maybe it's best if there's blood so it'll get the attention of the American people.

00:01:08.260 Meanwhile, you have the left starting to shed blood on our streets.

00:01:13.600 Let me remind you about Minneapolis or yesterday.

00:01:17.440 There was a yesterday or day before there was a big attempt to kill ICE agents in a in an ambush.

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00:03:38.220 Okay.

00:03:38.740 I want Pam Bondi fired. 1.00

00:03:41.440 I want Pam Bondi fired. 1.00

00:03:43.200 It's escalated quickly.

00:03:44.200 Yeah.

00:03:44.460 Well, no.

00:03:45.220 And here's why.

00:03:46.320 Here's why.

00:03:46.840 Do you release a tape that is supposed to be the evidence?

00:03:52.640 Do you release a tape and then let the public find out for themselves that there's an edit in the tape?

00:04:00.600 That's an inexcusable mistake.

00:04:03.520 I mean, I don't know that she did it, right?

00:04:05.380 No, no, no.

00:04:05.880 And you know what?

00:04:06.740 It could have been just a digital jump in the tape.

00:04:10.380 It's a minute lost.

00:04:11.660 Okay?

00:04:11.860 So let's just say, let's just give them every benefit of the doubt and say it was just a digital jump in the tape.

00:04:19.140 Okay?

00:04:19.580 Do you not put an intern on it just to say, watch the clock and make sure there's no jumps or edit in the tape because we know everyone's going to watch 300 million people are going to be watching it and somebody's going to take the time to watch the clock.

00:04:41.180 So watch the clock is every minute accounted for.

00:04:45.320 You didn't do that.

00:04:47.140 You didn't do that.

00:04:47.640 And I think you could pretty easily say that if you wanted to, right, and your goal was you wanted to edit out a minute, it would be very easy to edit in a minute of footage that no one would notice.

00:05:01.560 Just make the clock continuous, right?

00:05:03.580 It would be clear.

00:05:04.620 If you were trying to cover that, it would be easy to cover.

00:05:06.920 Yeah.

00:05:07.460 This is incompetence.

00:05:08.720 This is incompetence.

00:05:10.340 Highlighting your point to incompetence.

00:05:12.240 At the very least, if you have a jump.

00:05:14.280 You admit it.

00:05:15.060 You say at the beginning, there is an error at this point.

00:05:19.860 We know this is there.

00:05:21.880 The fact that you release it as proof without acknowledging that minute is – I just don't understand how you can make a mistake like that when your goal here is supposedly to put everyone's mind at ease.

00:05:34.900 I don't know.

00:05:36.200 I don't know.

00:05:36.640 But there's more to it than that.

00:05:37.960 You know, hang on just a sec.

00:05:39.980 Let me just go back before we leave just this one.

00:05:42.300 Remember when I said yesterday, your wife finds receipts for you buying presents at Tiffany's that she never got, that you were at a hotel that she's never been to, you were not coming home for dinner, you had long weekends and everything else.

00:05:57.980 It doesn't mean you were cheating.

00:06:00.060 You could be a traveling jewelry investor.

00:06:01.780 But she should demand the evidence because you don't want that hanging there on your relationship.

00:06:11.780 It will just fester.

00:06:14.120 Now, you give her the evidence, but then she finds out that, oh, well, it's the wrong receipt.

00:06:20.960 It was a receipt, you know, that you explained away, but what you used as proof was not the same receipt.

00:06:30.260 You were like, no, see, honey, this is when we went to the hotel together.

00:06:36.040 And she looks at it, and she's like, oh, okay.

00:06:39.440 And then she has it for a while, and she looks at it, and she's like, wait a minute, the date is different on this one.

00:06:44.660 This is not the same receipt.

00:06:47.040 That's a problem.

00:06:48.440 That's a problem.

00:06:49.160 And it doesn't mean that he was cheating on you.

00:06:51.980 It just means, what the hell is going on? 1.00

00:06:55.440 Are you this stupid? 1.00

00:06:56.820 And it certainly would make you have legitimate questions about the situation. 1.00

00:06:59.760 It just makes you question things more.

00:07:02.540 Now, if it wasn't for the jump in the tape, and I'm going to call, I'm not even going to call it an edit because I don't think it was an edit.

00:07:08.200 I think it was a jump in the tape.

00:07:10.560 Is if the jump in the tape wasn't incompetent enough for you, listen to this one.

00:07:17.320 Jason is here with us.

00:07:18.400 Hi, Jason.

00:07:19.400 Hi, Glenn.

00:07:20.220 What a morning.

00:07:20.940 Wow.

00:07:21.880 What a morning it is.

00:07:23.780 Okay.

00:07:24.200 So, Jason, what else have you found?

00:07:28.120 Okay.

00:07:28.460 So, the more and more we looked at this tape, I started looking.

00:07:32.780 It was just weird because it looked like a janitor's closet.

00:07:36.320 So, door 46. 0.99

00:07:37.200 And you were like, shut up. 0.65

00:07:39.400 This is not a janitor's closet. 0.97

00:07:41.020 I don't know what this is.

00:07:42.360 Well, I was like, I can tell you there's a woman that looks like a janitor that comes out of supposedly the person, the cell that they're saying is his cell, which they're not, by the way.

00:07:50.800 This was like people on social media were saying this was the cell.

00:07:53.580 It's coming out with a trash can.

00:07:55.800 So, I looked around to see if there was any confirmation on what this cell was.

00:08:01.540 And I found an OIG report from the Justice Department two years ago that shows the camera angle and the one camera that was actually working.

00:08:11.100 So, you can see the diagram, and I think we actually have it if you're watching this right now.

00:08:16.160 There's a diagram that shows where this camera is.

00:08:18.580 It shows where Epstein's cell is.

00:08:20.960 And the big thing that stands out, Glenn, is this camera doesn't even have eyes on Epstein's cell at all.

00:08:29.060 Like, not at all.

00:08:31.080 That's incredible.

00:08:31.820 There's four different wings here.

00:08:33.460 There is a service wing, and that's what we're looking at with that door 46.

00:08:37.400 That's like a service entrance or staff entrance.

00:08:40.700 Now, you can't see on the lower level Epstein's cell at all.

00:08:44.920 So, this is what makes it look even crazier for that one minute that's missing.

00:08:49.780 And I will say that, okay, let me just say it this way.

00:08:53.560 I've spent years and years and years looking at surveillance and security camera footage, as you know, in my previous job.

00:09:00.220 I've never seen an over one minute jump right at a time that would be very, very, I don't know, just convenient.

00:09:09.940 I've never seen that before in all my years looking at these things.

00:09:13.580 There's no reason.

00:09:14.720 Why do you say that minute would be convenient?

00:09:17.920 You're just saying that one minute being gone is convenient.

00:09:21.020 You're not saying that particular minute is important.

00:09:22.620 It's convenient in this entire time frame based off of this camera angle.

00:09:27.560 So, it's convenient, like, let's say 60 seconds would be great for someone walking across that lower level.

00:09:35.160 60 seconds would be perfect for if you wanted to, like, conceal the fact that someone walked across that area.

00:09:41.100 That's why it would be convenient.

00:09:42.200 Here's why I didn't buy into this at first, okay? 0.95

00:09:47.240 60 seconds to get in and open the door and then kill him and then leave, okay?

00:09:51.700 But look at the diagram.

00:09:52.940 If you look at the diagram where the camera is, there is just maybe a foot space where the camera is not able to see where there is a door

00:10:10.300 from the staff area, okay?

00:10:14.640 Are you looking at, because I think it's hard to tell from this, are we looking, is this diagram the top floor or the bottom floor?

00:10:22.120 Jason, do you have any idea?

00:10:23.380 So, it looks like Epstein, so I think Epstein sells on the top floor, yeah.

00:10:28.780 So, the stairs would be.

00:10:29.480 These are the upper floors, right?

00:10:31.020 Yeah.

00:10:31.140 Okay.

00:10:31.620 So, I'm looking at where the staff area is, okay?

00:10:36.500 See the yellow triangle and the red box where it's his cell.

00:10:42.260 Okay.

00:10:42.840 So, there is one way out of the staff area and it's right below the camera.

00:10:50.220 Like, underneath the floor, essentially, of where the camera is.

00:10:54.380 Yeah, on the floor.

00:10:55.280 If the camera's up on a ceiling, is that what you're saying?

00:10:57.200 Yeah, the camera's like, yeah.

00:10:58.380 The camera is...

00:10:59.500 The camera is...

00:11:02.080 Is from above.

00:11:02.860 From a second floor shooting down.

00:11:04.940 The evidence that they're basically proclaiming here, and this is true, you know, what Jason's saying is true, that you can't see the door of the Epstein cell.

00:11:16.640 What you can see is a common area that, in theory, you would need to cross to get to the cell.

00:11:22.680 What you're saying, Glenn, is the camera doesn't actually show 100% of the potential paths to get there, right?

00:11:30.420 It doesn't.

00:11:30.720 You could come...

00:11:32.220 If you cross right in front of the banister here on the bottom floor, there's no way you're going to see.

00:11:36.200 There's no way you're going to see.

00:11:37.300 Right.

00:11:37.580 Okay.

00:11:37.860 So, wait a minute.

00:11:38.380 I just want to make sure.

00:11:39.840 We are talking about the same thing.

00:11:41.140 If you look at the videotape, it's the white room downstairs, right?

00:11:47.680 So, it's where the garbage can is down there.

00:11:51.460 Below that.

00:11:51.960 So, Epstein's room would be below the garbage can.

00:11:55.220 The Epstein's room, if you look out, the area that you can see, and I apologize for radio listeners here that aren't seeing this visual, but I want to make sure we get this right.

00:12:03.560 There's an open area where the banister is like the, and it shows the common area behind it, right?

00:12:09.060 Okay.

00:12:09.620 If you go to the right side of the common area from our view, outside of the view to the right is where the entrance to the cell is, the stairs up to the cell.

00:12:19.820 So, all you have to do, you don't have to cross the floor.

00:12:22.640 Why do you have to cross the floor?

00:12:24.060 You could stay close to that wall.

00:12:25.360 You can go through the door.

00:12:28.060 You can go through the door and see and just stay against the wall.

00:12:32.920 Yeah.

00:12:33.140 I mean, I guess maybe, and Jason, maybe you know this, maybe it's explained somewhere else in the report, but like, is it possible that they're saying all the other entrances, like, to get to that area have cameras?

00:12:45.140 And so, they didn't see anybody walking into those areas?

00:12:47.400 If that were true, of course, you should release them.

00:12:49.140 Why wouldn't you show the other, this is, you know, this is not proof that anybody did anything.

00:12:56.320 No.

00:12:56.760 This is proof they are absent.

00:12:59.020 Pam Bondi needs to be fired. 0.99

00:13:01.540 Who is rolling this out?

00:13:04.080 The little rascals? 0.97

00:13:07.980 Panky, look, I got some videotape. 0.70

00:13:10.720 What are you doing? 1.00

00:13:12.420 This is ridiculous. 1.00

00:13:13.780 This is such absolute incompetence. 1.00

00:13:21.700 Incompetence.

00:13:24.260 It's incredible.

00:13:25.440 The fact that, like, they would release that, because I think everyone had the same assumption.

00:13:29.060 I think even Jason is a super duper skeptic on this.

00:13:32.040 Even you had the assumption that what they were saying was the green doors were the cells, or at least to the cell area.

00:13:39.780 Yes, that's what I thought.

00:13:40.640 That's what I thought.

00:13:41.360 That's what everyone, I think, thought when they saw it.

00:13:43.580 Now, to be clear, like, the report, as you point out, Jason, previously had stated and shown this diagram that shows that they're talking about the common area.

00:13:52.320 So that's not, like, it's, but, like, they, A, should have been very clear about that.

00:13:56.640 What we're talking about is the common area, right?

00:13:58.780 They should have put that in the announcement.

00:14:00.780 Stu, we are going upstairs.

00:14:02.640 We're going upstairs today.

00:14:04.060 Okay.

00:14:04.360 Okay, to my house.

00:14:05.900 And, you know, I have that balcony upstairs by the fireplace.

00:14:09.520 Yes.

00:14:09.660 You haven't really seen how you came in.

00:14:11.820 Stu arrived here, like, at midnight last night, because it's like a day's journey from anywhere.

00:14:16.060 Right.

00:14:16.300 But we're going to go upstairs, and you put a camera, okay, down into the great room.

00:14:24.160 You want to recreate the Epstein video in your house? 0.72

00:14:25.820 Yeah, I do.

00:14:26.340 And I want to show you, I can get to places in the room, because there's a whole floor.

00:14:33.980 The balcony shows part, but it doesn't show the door.

00:14:38.560 I could, wait until, I got to prove that.

00:14:41.340 We're going to do this live on YouTube or something, maybe on X today, as soon as we get off the air. 0.67

00:14:48.600 Because I, this is ridiculous. 0.76

00:14:50.800 It's unbelievable. 0.98

00:14:52.960 Again, it doesn't prove that this, you know, he was killed.

00:14:57.280 However, it is the fact that they're releasing a video that has this many holes in it to a passing.

00:15:03.180 Again, the person you're trying to make feel better about all of this is someone very interested in the detail of it, right?

00:15:11.540 It's not someone who has a passing interest.

00:15:13.520 You're not releasing this to some person who kind of knows who Jeffrey Epstein is.

00:15:16.960 This is intentionally designed to try to push down some, what you're arguing is a conspiracy theory.

00:15:22.380 You're, you're also, also, and you know what?

00:15:25.500 I'm not arguing anything.

00:15:27.180 I'm arguing this is incompetence.

00:15:32.620 Yes.

00:15:33.180 I'm not arguing that he killed himself or he didn't kill.

00:15:36.340 I don't know.

00:15:37.840 I don't know.

00:15:39.000 I don't know.

00:15:39.880 But this isn't helping.

00:15:41.520 You know, not only are you saying, you know, that these people have some interest in it.

00:15:46.060 Well, you know, these people are, you know, interested in the details.

00:15:49.680 No.

00:15:50.160 You're releasing it to a bunch of people who many of them have the details, but many of them are hostile to what you're saying.

00:16:01.800 So you better have a buttoned up case.

00:16:05.600 You better not have anything that they find out later.

00:16:10.280 Wait, wait a minute.

00:16:12.060 What?

00:16:12.700 Right.

00:16:12.840 And it could be, you know, you could make the couple of arguments that you probably could make here.

00:16:18.340 One, they don't actually care about this and they're annoyed they have to deal with it.

00:16:22.400 So they just threw it out there.

00:16:23.700 Terrible incompetence.

00:16:24.940 And if that's the truth, it's just inexcusable.

00:16:27.680 The other thing they might argue, and this could be part of it, part of the rollout, there were reports at least that this got leaked, that this came out essentially earlier than they wanted it to come out.

00:16:37.960 And so the rollout was not as well planned as they thought it was going to be.

00:16:41.540 Axios reported this exclusively.

00:16:44.300 Now, it's possible, right, that they leaked it to Axios, but it's not exactly a typical location of a Trump leak.

00:16:51.060 Who? The Justice Department or the FBI?

00:16:53.420 That's what I want to know.

00:16:55.060 First of all, this administration has no leaks.

00:16:58.160 We just bombed Iran without any leaks. 0.98

00:17:03.180 Yeah, different wing of the government.

00:17:05.860 But still, I get what you're saying.

00:17:07.220 A lot of this has been tight, but there does seem to be.

00:17:11.860 There's a lot of big personalities.

00:17:13.480 There's always reported squabbling going on.

00:17:16.160 Who knows how this was released and who did it?

00:17:18.160 I mean, and it may be true that part of the rollout was hurt, right, because it was released before they were ready or something.

00:17:24.600 That might be true.

00:17:25.320 It still doesn't really explain.

00:17:26.900 I mean, the video is the video.

00:17:28.460 They definitely posted it.

00:17:29.760 Yeah.

00:17:30.080 They posted it like that.

00:17:31.340 They had a memo that explained what the video was and did not mention any of that, any of the issues we're talking about.

00:17:38.300 That's all you had to do.

00:17:39.820 Hey, there's a one-minute jump.

00:17:41.520 Here's why it's there.

00:17:43.200 But again, like, even with that explanation, which would make me happier, right, that they were at least available.

00:17:49.760 Look, it still wouldn't make you a person who believes in this theory.

00:17:53.840 Right.

00:17:54.340 I can tell you for a fact.

00:17:57.720 Nothing is going to satisfy everyone.

00:17:59.940 Right.

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00:19:38.740 Now back to the podcast.

00:19:40.480 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:19:43.220 Selena, congratulations on your book.

00:19:47.480 It is so good.

00:19:49.560 Just started reading it or listening to it last night, and I wish you would have read it.

00:19:56.840 But, you know, the lady who have reading it is very good.

00:19:59.320 But I just enjoy the way you tell stories.

00:20:01.460 The writing of this is the best explanation on who Trump supporters are that I think I've ever read from anybody.

00:20:14.060 It's really good.

00:20:15.720 And the description of your experience there at the edge of the stage with Donald Trump is pretty remarkable as well.

00:20:24.700 Welcome to the program.

00:20:25.580 Thank you, Glenn.

00:20:27.400 Thank you so much for having me.

00:20:29.080 You know, I was thinking about this as I was waiting to come on.

00:20:32.060 And you and I have been along for this ride together for, what, since 2006, 2005, like 20 years, right?

00:20:41.840 And I've been chronicling the American people for probably 10 more years before that.

00:20:49.760 And it is really remarkable to me as watching how this coalition has grown, right?

00:20:58.680 And watching how people have become more aspirational.

00:21:04.500 And that is what the conservative populist coalition is, right?

00:21:10.520 It is the aspirations of many, but the celebration of the individual.

00:21:15.820 And chronicling them, yeah, has been a great honor.

00:21:24.020 You know, I was thinking about this yesterday when Elon Musk said he was starting another party.

00:21:31.040 And somebody asked me, well, isn't he doing what the Tea Party tried to do?

00:21:35.680 And no, the Tea Party wasn't going to start a new party.

00:21:38.520 It was to, you know, it was to coerce and convince the Republican Party to do the right thing.

00:21:46.040 And it worked in many ways.

00:21:48.900 It didn't accomplish what we hoped, but it did accomplish a lot of things.

00:21:53.500 Donald Trump is a result of the Tea Party.

00:21:56.100 I truly believe that.

00:21:57.800 And a lot of the people that were with it, right, were with Donald Trump, are the people that were with the Tea Party.

00:22:05.580 That's absolutely right.

00:22:06.820 So that was the inception.

00:22:09.020 So American politics has always had movements that have been just outside of a party or slightly within a party that galvanized and broadened the coalition, right?

00:22:25.000 They don't take away and walk away and become another party.

00:22:28.660 If anything, if there is a third party out there, it's almost the Republican Party because it has changed in so many viable and meaningful ways.

00:22:40.020 And the Tea Party didn't go away.

00:22:42.280 It strengthened and broadened the Republican Party because these weren't just Republicans that became part of this party.

00:22:50.440 It was independents.

00:22:52.040 It was Democrats.

00:22:52.920 And this unhappy with establishment Republicans and unhappy with Democrats.

00:22:59.500 And that movement is what I see today, what I see every day.

00:23:05.160 What I saw that day in Butler, when I showed up at that rally, as I do so many rallies, you know, throughout my career.

00:23:15.300 And that one was riveting and changed everything.

00:23:18.020 You made a great case in the opening chapter.

00:23:23.000 You talk about how things were going for Donald Trump and how this moment really did change everything for Donald Trump, changed the trajectory, changed the mood.

00:23:35.040 I mean, Elon Musk was not on the Trump train until this moment.

00:23:41.400 What changed?

00:23:44.760 How did that work?

00:23:47.240 And I contend that we would have had much more profound change had the media actually done their job and reported this the way it really was.

00:24:00.120 You know, and people will find this in the book.

00:24:03.580 I'm laying on the ground with a agent on top of me.

00:24:08.380 I'm four feet away from the president.

00:24:10.180 And there's there's notices coming up on my phone saying he was hit by broken glass.

00:24:17.000 And I and to this day, that remains remains part of this subculture in American politics, because reporters were so anxious to to write what they believed happened as opposed to what happened.

00:24:32.580 And it's been a continual frustration of mine as a reporter who is on the ground all the time.

00:24:38.920 Now, I'll tell you what changed in that moment.

00:24:41.760 And it's a nuance.

00:24:43.800 And I believe nuance is dead in American journalism.

00:24:47.960 But it was a nuance and it was a powerful conversation that I had with President Trump the next day.

00:24:54.520 He called me the next morning.

00:24:55.680 But it's also a powerful conversation I had with him just two weeks ago when he made the decision to say, fight, fight, fight.

00:25:03.880 People have put in their heads why they think he said it.

00:25:09.180 But he told me why he said that.

00:25:12.480 And he said, Selena, in that moment, I was not Donald Trump, the man.

00:25:17.520 I was a former president.

00:25:19.260 I was quite possibly going to be president again.

00:25:21.900 And I had an obligation to the country and to the office that I have served in to project strength, to project resolve, to project that we will not be defeated.

00:25:35.700 And it's sort of like that symbolic eagle that is always, you know, that symbol that we look at when we think about our country.

00:25:45.000 He said, that's why I said that I didn't want the people behind me panicking.

00:25:48.980 I didn't want the people watching it panicking.

00:25:51.500 I had to show strength.

00:25:54.180 And it's that nuance that I think people really picked up on and galvanized people.

00:26:01.500 So he told me when he was laying down on the stage, and you can hear him, let me get up.

00:26:07.580 I got to get up.

00:26:08.200 Let me get up.

00:26:08.800 Let me get up.

00:26:09.620 He told me as he was laying on the stage, I asked him, I said, what were you thinking?

00:26:14.620 What was going through your head?

00:26:16.140 Now, Selena, I don't know about you, but with me, it would be like, how do I get off the stage?

00:26:21.460 You know, my first is survival.

00:26:24.640 Okay. 0.98

00:26:25.400 He said what was going through his mind was, you're not pathetic. 1.00

00:26:30.200 This is pathetic. 0.99

00:26:31.700 You're not afraid. 1.00

00:26:32.860 Get up.

00:26:33.500 Get up.

00:26:34.840 And so is that what informed his fight, fight, fight of, by the time he's standing up, he's

00:26:43.460 thinking, I'm a symbol?

00:26:45.140 Or do you think he was thinking, I'm a symbol? 0.99

00:26:48.120 This looks pathetic. 1.00

00:26:49.400 It makes you look weak. 1.00

00:26:51.460 Stand up.

00:26:52.080 How do you think that actually happened?

00:26:55.080 He thinks, and he and I just talked about this two weeks ago.

00:26:59.320 He, you know, he's, and this is something he's really thought about, right?

00:27:02.820 You know, and he's gone over and over and also purpose and God, right?

00:27:08.320 These are things that have, have, have lingered with him.

00:27:11.540 You know, he, he thought, yes, he did think it was pathetic that he was on the ground, but 0.92

00:27:17.460 he wasn't thinking about, I'm Donald Trump. 1.00

00:27:20.100 It's pathetic. 0.99

00:27:20.760 He's thinking my country is symbolically on the ground. 0.98

00:27:25.300 I need to get up and I need to show that my country is strong, that our country is resolute.

00:27:31.860 And I need people to see that. 0.98

00:27:34.300 We can't go on looking like pathetic, right? 0.95

00:27:38.020 And I, and I think that then goes to that image of Biden. 0.98

00:27:42.080 You have been with so many presidents.

00:27:45.520 How many presidents do you think that you've personally been with would have thought that

00:27:53.080 and reacted that way?

00:27:55.340 Probably only Reagan.

00:27:57.340 Reagan would have, Reagan probably would have thought that.

00:28:01.260 And if you remember how he was out, like standing outside, you know, waving out the window,

00:28:09.360 right?

00:28:09.960 After he was shot, right?

00:28:11.340 At the hospital.

00:28:12.440 Right.

00:28:13.020 Had he had not been knocked out, like, you know, unconscious, he probably would have done

00:28:17.680 have done the same thing because he was also someone who deeply believed in American exceptionalism

00:28:25.060 and American exceptionalism does not lay on the ground.

00:28:28.720 Yeah.

00:28:29.080 That symbol.

00:28:30.160 The symbol of the presidency.

00:28:32.320 Yeah.

00:28:32.700 Yeah.

00:28:33.300 Yeah, absolutely.

00:28:34.700 And I think that affects him today.

00:28:37.000 So let me go back to God because, um, you talk to him the next day in your, your book,

00:28:42.500 Butler.

00:28:42.740 Um, you, he calls you up and love the fact that you would, your parents would have been

00:28:48.520 ashamed of you on what you said to him.

00:28:50.700 Um, the language you used, you just have to read, you just have to read the book to hear.

00:28:55.980 This is a great part, but he calls you the next morning and wants to know if you're okay.

00:29:00.980 And you, you then start talking to him about God.

00:29:06.420 And I was, I was thinking about this as I was listening to it.

00:29:09.600 You know, Lincoln said, I wasn't, I wasn't a Christian, uh, even though he was, he, I

00:29:16.080 wasn't a Christian when I was elected.

00:29:17.520 I wasn't a Christian when my son died.

00:29:20.020 I became a Christian at Gettysburg is, is, I mean, I believe Donald Trump has always believed

00:29:27.120 in God, et cetera, et cetera.

00:29:28.400 But do you think there was a, a real profound change at Butler with him?

00:29:36.300 Absolutely.

00:29:37.460 You know, he called me seven times that day, seven times the day after seven talked about,

00:29:44.880 and, and I think he was looking for someone that he knew that was there and could try to

00:29:50.320 sort it out.

00:29:51.260 Right.

00:29:51.700 And I let him do most of the talking.

00:29:54.500 I didn't pressure him, um, at all.

00:29:57.900 I believed that he was having, you know, he was struggling and he needed to just talk.

00:30:04.580 And I believed my purpose was to listen.

00:30:07.940 Right.

00:30:08.520 I know other reporters would have handled it differently.

00:30:12.120 Um, and that's okay.

00:30:13.360 That's not the kind of reporter I am.

00:30:15.540 And, and, and I myself was having my own, like, what, why, why didn't I die?

00:30:20.920 Right.

00:30:22.200 Um, because it went right over my head.

00:30:24.920 Uh, and, and, and so I let him, he led the conversation about God.

00:30:31.060 I mean, he was also funny.

00:30:32.720 He's like, I thought it was the biggest mosquito in the world that hit me.

00:30:37.020 Um, but, but he talks profoundly about purpose.

00:30:42.840 No, you know, and God and how God was in that moment.

00:30:46.740 And if, if, if, if you've ever been in, in, in the book, I love the way you said that as

00:30:53.820 he's kind of working it out in his own head, he was like, you know, I, I, I, I always knew

00:31:00.520 that there was some sort of, you know, that God was present.

00:31:04.140 He said, but now that this has happened, I look back at all of the trials, all of the

00:31:08.960 tribulations, literally the trials, all of the things that have happened.

00:31:12.220 And he's like, I realized God was there the whole time.

00:31:16.400 Yeah, he does.

00:31:18.480 And it's, it's fascinating to have been that witness to history, to have those conversations

00:31:24.100 with him, because I'm telling you, and, and y'all know I can talk.

00:31:28.300 I didn't say much of anything.

00:31:31.160 I just listened.

00:31:33.200 Um, I just listened.

00:31:34.920 I felt that was my purpose in that moment to give him that space to work it out.

00:31:41.620 I'm someone that is, you know, believes in God.

00:31:44.900 I'm Catholic.

00:31:45.880 I follow my faith.

00:31:47.980 Um, and, and so I thought, well, this is why God put me here.

00:31:54.240 Right.

00:31:54.880 And, and, and to, to have that, to, to hear him talk about purpose, to hear him say, Selena,

00:32:02.180 why did I turn my head?

00:32:03.360 Why did I put a chart down?

00:32:04.720 I'm like, I don't know, sir.

00:32:05.820 I thought you were Ross Perot there for a second because, you know, he never has a chart

00:32:10.960 and, and he laughed.

00:32:13.100 And, and then he said, what, why did I put that chart down?

00:32:16.000 Why did I turn my head?

00:32:16.940 I never turned my head away from people at the rally.

00:32:19.740 And that's true.

00:32:20.640 That relationship is very transactional.

00:32:23.020 It's very, they feed off of each other.

00:32:25.800 It's a very emotive moment when you attend a rally, because he has a way of, of, of talking

00:32:33.360 at a rally that you believe that you are seen.

00:32:37.120 And he said, and I never turned my head away.

00:32:39.520 I never turned my head away.

00:32:40.700 Why did I turn my head away?

00:32:42.040 I don't remember consciously thinking about turn my head away.

00:32:45.820 And then he says to me, he goes, Lena, that was God, wasn't it?

00:32:48.920 I said, yes, sir.

00:32:49.520 It was, it was God.

00:32:51.520 He said, and that's, that's why I have, I have a new purpose.

00:32:55.820 And, and, and so Glenn, I think it's important when you look at the breadth of what has happened

00:33:02.560 since he was sworn in, you see that purpose every day.

00:33:07.820 He doesn't lit up.

00:33:09.380 He continues going and, and, and it brings back to the beginning of the book where you

00:33:16.180 find out that there was another president that was shot at in Butler and, and that was

00:33:22.320 George Washington and how different the country would have been had he died in that moment.

00:33:27.860 And now think about how different the country would be had president Trump died in that

00:33:32.980 moment.

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00:33:42.800 Okay.

00:33:43.360 Stu has put together a schematic of the cells.

00:33:47.560 I mean, you didn't put it together, but you did a little, you, you, I did one squiggly

00:33:51.040 red line.

00:33:52.040 Right, right, right.

00:33:52.560 And then I think it's important to look because I think, can we put the video up of what they

00:33:57.840 released first, the video, um, what you're seeing on these two green doors, most people

00:34:02.840 think, Oh, well that one of those, or the one off to the side by the phone, that must

00:34:06.240 be his cell.

00:34:07.240 It's not, it's not.

00:34:09.160 Um, if you have to look down the stairs and through the guardrail into the next room, that's

00:34:16.040 the common area, but they're right next to the second green door, right by the edge.

00:34:22.080 You see, and I don't even know if you can see it.

00:34:24.540 It looks like you can see maybe the beginning of the stairs on the other side that would

00:34:30.280 lead at those stairs would lead up to Epstein's cell block.

00:34:33.800 You're not seeing anything.

00:34:35.440 And when you really understand what you are looking at this video, um, you don't have to

00:34:42.380 edit this videotape.

00:34:43.480 You don't have to edit it because there's no, I mean, there's a million ways to avoid

00:34:47.920 the, the, uh, camera.

00:34:50.180 If you know that that's the one camera that's on, it's so easy to avoid it.

00:34:54.720 And let me show you the schematic that Stu put together.

00:34:59.120 Um, I love that.

00:35:00.300 I'm getting credit for a schematic.

00:35:01.500 This is a schematic from the OIG report.

00:35:03.640 Yeah.

00:35:03.800 Yeah.

00:35:03.940 And I drew one red squiggly line.

00:35:05.980 Okay.

00:35:06.440 So you need to see the upper tiers.

00:35:08.800 The upper tiers are on the left-hand side, uh, in kind of the orange and you will see

00:35:14.700 where, uh, Epstein's cell is.

00:35:18.340 Uh, it's way away from any camera, completely away from any camera.

00:35:23.280 Well, there, to be clear, there are cameras, just none of them are recording anything.

00:35:27.040 Yeah.

00:35:27.160 There's one, two, three, four, four cameras, four cameras that would see every important

00:35:33.560 area.

00:35:33.980 All of them are not working.

00:35:35.700 The one that doesn't see the area is, is working fine.

00:35:38.980 It's working fine.

00:35:40.020 All right.

00:35:40.200 Again, it's a lot, a lot to handle.

00:35:42.380 Okay.

00:35:42.740 So, um, now let me look at the blue section because this is the downstairs in the common

00:35:48.660 area.

00:35:48.960 This is what you're looking at through the, you know, through the guardrail you're seeing

00:35:53.780 down, you're seeing a part of this common area.

00:35:56.180 So take us through this too, because this is incredible.

00:35:59.020 So basically you're seeing a good chunk of the common area.

00:36:03.520 Their argument would be to get to Epstein's cell block, you must cross through this common

00:36:09.240 area, which is true.

00:36:11.240 You wouldn't need to go through that if these schematics are as accurate as we understand

00:36:15.320 them to be.

00:36:16.080 You would not be able to get there from any other angle.

00:36:18.480 Um, however, there is, if you look in the, and I'm explaining this to the radio audiences

00:36:23.720 as well.

00:36:24.260 Did you post this on Twitter as well?

00:36:25.700 Yeah, it's on Twitter.

00:36:26.360 Go to my Twitter.

00:36:27.600 You can see this.

00:36:28.300 Uh, it, it, coming out of Epstein's cell block, staying close to the wall where his cell block

00:36:33.780 is, staying close to the wall that comes under where the camera is, you are essentially taken,

00:36:40.160 you can exit the entire cell block without being seen by that camera relatively easily

00:36:45.260 if you knew what to do.

00:36:46.680 Like, if you just stumbled through the middle of there, you would be seen. 0.98

00:36:50.720 But if you were someone who, let's say, had a reason to kill a very famous pedophile,

00:36:56.400 um, you could easily enter and exit without being seen by that camera at all. 0.54

00:37:02.020 At least by my view.

00:37:03.040 I don't see, and I don't think that that's, uh, there's a mistake there.

00:37:07.640 Now, this of course doesn't address the idea of potentially another inmate being, uh, let

00:37:12.660 out in his cell block, which you can't see at all, uh, that could easily be another,

00:37:17.640 another explanation for someone, um, you know, uh, killing, uh, Epstein and not being seen

00:37:23.680 on this video.

00:37:24.220 To be clear, this video does not prove that Epstein was killed.

00:37:28.980 It doesn't.

00:37:30.120 What it does not achieve in my mind quite clearly is to make it impossible for that to have occurred.

00:37:38.980 Right?

00:37:39.420 Like, you can absolutely, you, there's a path out of a door that comes directly below where

00:37:46.920 the, uh, one working camera is, staying close to the, uh, the wall as you exit that door,

00:37:53.720 uh, and you would avoid the camera entirely.

00:37:56.840 You'd be able to go up those stairs.

00:37:58.640 You might have to stay on the right side of the stairs, but that's about it.

00:38:02.100 Um, and then you, you, you walk up there and you're there and you can do the same thing

00:38:06.220 on the way back and exit the cell block really with no problems.

00:38:09.640 I mean, like you could recreate this, Glenn, if you, if you wanted to be, and if you were

00:38:13.480 Nathan Fielder and had a giant HBO budget and wanted to do a rehearsal of the situation

00:38:17.980 and very easily, uh, get there and back without being seen by that camera.

00:38:23.840 Um, so I think it, you know, it just doesn't do the thing it's attempting to do.

00:38:31.060 The only reason to release this video is to persuade people who are very much on the bandwagon

00:38:38.900 that Epstein did not kill himself.

00:38:41.480 And there's no way this video would achieve that goal.

00:38:45.460 So there's really no point.

00:38:46.780 Dan Bongino is a friend.

00:38:48.280 Dan Bongino is somebody I trust.

00:38:50.220 Dan Bongino does not lie.

00:38:52.160 You know, he's not part of deep state.

00:38:55.460 I need to know from Dan, what is it about this video that you saw?

00:38:59.520 If this is the video he was talking about, it has to be right.

00:39:02.280 Cause no other cameras were working.

00:39:03.780 I would assume so.

00:39:04.320 Now, if you look at this, the schematic actually shows which cameras are working, which aren't

00:39:07.600 Glenn.

00:39:07.820 I don't know if you noticed that on, on there, on the schematic I put together.

00:39:10.940 Um, and, uh, you see the, uh, there's a bunch of cameras, one, two, three, four in

00:39:16.600 the cell block on both floors, uh, uh, that have red boxes around them.

00:39:22.480 Those are the ones that aren't working.

00:39:23.940 All of them would have seen, uh, the area not covered by the one camera that is working.

00:39:30.020 All of them would have seen it, which is incredible.

00:39:32.860 I really, and now if in one other interesting details, if you look on the lower floor schematic

00:39:38.700 that I created, uh, and you walk this path out, there is one other camera in, uh, the,

00:39:45.420 uh, non cell block area, the area where the guards would, would do things, which is working.

00:39:51.460 However, would not catch a person walking out, uh, to the one exit door.

00:39:58.360 It is, it is fascinating.

00:40:00.320 Now, I guess it is someone who would be somewhere.

00:40:03.180 There's a camera.

00:40:03.780 I don't know if it's the parking lot or something.

00:40:05.620 I'm sure there's some camera, but I don't know that you'd be able to determine who the

00:40:08.320 person was.

00:40:09.660 If you want to believe this conspiracy and, and I don't mean even a conspiracy in a demeaning

00:40:14.480 way, but a conspiracy in that, you know, someone was working together to, to get this

00:40:19.000 done.

00:40:19.320 And this is such a red herring because yes, it's important to know if he killed himself

00:40:26.380 or somebody killed him.

00:40:27.680 Okay.

00:40:28.140 Yeah.

00:40:28.320 It's important.

00:40:29.000 It's not, it's not the top of my priority list.

00:40:31.020 It's not, you know, none of the Epstein stuff is at the top of my priority list.

00:40:35.800 Um, this is just a, a, a symptom when you're not seeing other people go to jail for you

00:40:45.080 watch them with your own eyes, commit perjury.

00:40:47.940 And there's not that they're not even trying to put them in jail.

00:40:52.900 It seems there doesn't seem to be anything from the DOJ moving.

00:40:58.380 Pam Bondi's office is not issuing anything.

00:41:01.260 Congress is doing their part, turning everything over.

00:41:03.900 And then what happens?

00:41:06.580 Jason.

00:41:07.560 I, yeah, I think we can all agree that this video doesn't show anything, but can I just

00:41:12.640 throw another coal in the fire, I'm just trying to rationalize what the FBI or DOJ are relying

00:41:17.820 on.

00:41:18.180 So if it's not the video, perhaps it's the prison guards.

00:41:21.460 Maybe it's the prison guards.

00:41:22.720 Maybe they had a very detailed report.

00:41:24.860 Well, if I may read another portion of the OIG report, this is talking about multiple different,

00:41:30.540 um, uh, prison guards that were assigned that night during this, when this happened,

00:41:35.960 it said during their shift, they each created and submitted falsified official Bureau of

00:41:42.380 Prison forms, documenting inmate counts, often referred to as count slips and completed and

00:41:48.020 signed more than 75 separate entries on an official BOP form, documenting 30 minute rounds,

00:41:54.400 uh, often referred to as round sheets, falsely stating that they had conducted rounds when in

00:42:00.900 fact they had not.

00:42:02.520 So we have people lying, we have cameras not working, uh, falsified reports, uh, and a

00:42:09.440 video that doesn't really show us what they said it shows us.

00:42:12.860 I, maybe the curious mind would want to look into that.

00:42:16.620 Possibly.

00:42:17.420 There's also a sign that was posted.

00:42:19.600 It's in the report as well.

00:42:20.980 Camera up here is on.

00:42:22.240 Make sure you skirt this wall.

00:42:23.520 No, it says, uh, it says, uh, it says mandatory rounds must be conducted every 30 minutes on

00:42:30.900 Epstein as per God.

00:42:33.740 So the sign says, so they were supposed to go see him every 30 minutes.

00:42:38.820 I guess they falsified those.

00:42:40.740 Yep.

00:42:41.060 They falsified him or, and, or slept through them.

00:42:43.100 All right.

00:42:43.480 Let me go to Ed in New York.

00:42:44.900 Hello, Ed line eight.

00:42:46.380 Hi.

00:42:47.380 Yeah.

00:42:47.680 Hi.

00:42:47.900 Hi.

00:42:48.520 Look, um, we can all agree that the Epstein sting operation was to get a number of top 0.58

00:42:54.960 officials to do what deep state wanted them to do.

00:43:00.000 So if I'm Trump, I don't think we can, we can't all say that we, we, we suspect that,

00:43:05.180 but I don't think that that's not, that's what we're trying to prove.

00:43:07.960 A lot of people.

00:43:08.580 Yes.

00:43:08.800 I mean, there's a lot of people that suspect a lot of things and it's definitely a possibility.

00:43:15.020 Oh yeah, it is.

00:43:16.140 It's a very good possibility, but yeah, because otherwise, uh, uh, you look at Epstein had ties

00:43:23.340 to the CIA, uh, there, there are not a whole lot of other reasons for doing some, an operation

00:43:30.160 this big and having presidents.

00:43:32.400 So, so I, I, I'm not arguing with, I'm not arguing with your conclusion, Ed.

00:43:36.720 I'm arguing with, let's not start conversations with, we all know, we all suspect, we all believe

00:43:45.300 or many of us do, but we do not know.

00:43:48.040 And that's the problem.

00:43:49.700 We must have the evidence and why are they holding it back?

00:43:54.560 It only makes our, we all feel, we all know, um, you know, it only makes that stronger.

00:44:01.460 So I'm just trying to make sure that we are not adding fuel to the fire on this.

00:44:07.580 We have to guard our credibility.

00:44:09.100 I listened to your show a lot, but this schematic thing, okay, let me, let me finish my thought

00:44:15.620 here.

00:44:16.140 Okay.

00:44:16.680 All right.

00:44:16.920 Go ahead.

00:44:17.200 If I was Trump, if I was Trump and the other, I had all the names of all of these people,

00:44:24.740 why release them?

00:44:26.120 When I can call these people on the phone and say, I have you on the Epstein list and 0.58

00:44:31.500 now you're going to do what I want.

00:44:34.680 Wow.

00:44:35.700 You would do that, Ed?

00:44:36.940 Yeah, of course.

00:44:40.040 You guys, I love you.

00:44:42.280 I really do.

00:44:43.320 I listen to you almost every day, but guess what?

00:44:45.720 I love you too.

00:44:47.040 This is hardball.

00:44:49.160 This is hardball.

00:44:51.020 So I don't, so Ed, I don't believe ends justify the means ever.

00:44:54.300 And it is hardball.

00:44:55.580 That's why I have your name.

00:44:57.160 I call you up.

00:44:57.780 I have your name. 1.00

00:44:58.800 I have all the evidence and I am putting your ass in prison for the rest of your life. 1.00

00:45:04.240 That is, that is what justice is. 0.99

00:45:07.860 When you take a wrong and you then do something else that is wrong and you let, in this case,

00:45:15.160 a child molester get away with it because I can get him to do what I want.

00:45:21.100 That's blackmail.

00:45:22.460 That's, I mean, you've become what you're trying to destroy.

00:45:25.080 No, but people, listen, this goes on.

00:45:28.620 Law enforcement uses junkies all the time to catch bigger junkies.

00:45:34.020 Okay?

00:45:34.220 Right.

00:45:34.520 And everybody knows that if you want to make an omelet, you've got to break a few eggs.

00:45:39.360 Said by Stalin or Mao.

00:45:41.940 They have crucified this guy.

00:45:44.740 Crucified him.

00:45:45.620 I understand.

00:45:46.280 31 convictions.

00:45:47.400 All of that stuff.

00:45:48.460 And if I was Trump, I, and look at, I, do you believe that Trump's agenda is, is a just

00:45:55.880 agenda and that he has, you know, I can't, I can't, I can't even go down this road with

00:46:01.200 you.

00:46:01.460 I mean, you use the word, they crucified him.

00:46:04.440 Jesus didn't compromise and he was literally crucified.

00:46:08.780 There are, there are roads and see, this is where we get into trouble.

00:46:12.500 There are things when you start to say, you know what?

00:46:18.520 The ends justify the means.

00:46:20.660 The country is at stake.

00:46:22.200 So we will blackmail people.

00:46:24.800 No, I want no part of that.

00:46:26.500 Now you might, but I don't.

00:46:28.920 And so I can't, I can't go down with that road.

00:46:32.100 I think we agree on a lot of stuff.

00:46:34.920 Just not that, you know, that kind of thinking is exactly what the Democrats are warning about

00:46:40.260 their own people.

00:46:41.000 Now their own people are saying, you're not doing enough.

00:46:44.400 There has to be blood in the streets.

00:46:47.440 Well, look at what they're doing.

00:46:48.920 Look what happened.

00:46:50.080 You know, that's their excuse on us. 1.00

00:46:52.160 Look at Donald Trump is a fascist and we all know it. 0.99

00:46:55.360 No, you don't know it. 0.99

00:46:56.780 You think it, but where's your proof?

00:47:00.560 Okay.

00:47:01.260 Gosh, I'm sorry.

00:47:02.180 I, you know, I know a lot of the audience is going to disagree, but I, I, I am who I am.

00:47:07.920 And this is my opinion.

00:47:09.260 And if you don't like it, I'm sorry.

00:47:11.380 I hope that you continue to listen, but I have to say what I believe is true.

00:47:15.420 When I found out my friend got a great deal on a wool coat from Winners, I started wondering,

00:47:22.600 is every fabulous item I see from Winners?

00:47:25.720 Like that woman over there with the designer jeans. 1.00

00:47:28.420 Are those from Winners?

00:47:29.960 Ooh, are those beautiful gold earrings.

00:47:32.420 Did she pay full price?

00:47:33.760 Or that leather tote?

00:47:34.560 Or that cashmere sweater?

00:47:36.000 Or those knee-high boots?

00:47:37.380 That dress?

00:47:38.240 That jacket?

00:47:38.900 Those shoes?

00:47:39.940 Is anyone paying full price for anything?

00:47:42.880 Stop wondering.

00:47:44.160 Start winning.

00:47:45.080 Winners.

00:47:45.680 Find fabulous for less.

The Glenn Beck Program - July 08, 2025

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