The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Sasha Stone ｜ 9⧸19⧸22

00:00:00.060 We're in the middle of, oh my gosh, this podcast is always, it's always, I mean, it's interrupting

00:00:07.420 the Queen's funeral.

00:00:08.540 It gets in the way of all of our lives and apparently our deaths.

00:00:11.760 Right.

00:00:12.360 Right.

00:00:13.520 Boy, we today, what coverage we had on the Queen's funeral.

00:00:18.400 We nailed it.

00:00:19.080 Yeah.

00:00:19.420 We nailed it today.

00:00:20.280 By doing none of it.

00:00:21.260 No, we didn't really talk about it.

00:00:23.100 Not a single word about it until right now because it's, well, it started about two o'clock

00:00:27.800 in the morning and, you know, clear into the afternoon.

00:00:32.040 That's a good funeral.

00:00:33.440 Without any booze.

00:00:35.920 Well, can I say that?

00:00:37.180 Well, they had to walk a long time in a straight line.

00:00:40.240 Probably not a lot of booze.

00:00:41.780 Yeah.

00:00:42.420 You know.

00:00:43.200 At least for some of them.

00:00:44.440 At least for some.

00:00:45.540 I would have had some if I were there.

00:00:47.560 He would have been.

00:00:48.540 Yeah.

00:00:49.060 Yeah.

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00:02:27.380 So last night, our president was on television on 60 Minutes, and it was an amazing softball

00:02:40.980 game.

00:02:42.000 But the president announced a couple of things.

00:02:45.240 The pandemic is over.

00:02:48.300 You know, he's...

00:02:49.200 I know.

00:02:50.060 Did you know that?

00:02:51.140 I didn't.

00:02:52.000 I'm surprised to hear that.

00:02:54.160 I mean, I've been saying it for a long time.

00:02:56.100 I know you have as well.

00:02:57.240 Yeah.

00:02:57.580 But I'm surprised to hear the president saying it.

00:02:59.820 Yeah.

00:03:00.540 He also said he vows to get in control of inflation, but inflation is basically even.

00:03:07.060 Here's cut four, please.

00:03:09.800 Mr. President, as you know, last Tuesday, the annual inflation rate came in at 8.3%.

00:03:16.000 The stock market nosedived.

00:03:19.380 People are shocked by their grocery bills.

00:03:23.120 What can you do better and faster?

00:03:26.020 Well, first of all, let's put this in perspective.

00:03:28.540 Inflation rate month to month was just an inch.

00:03:32.300 Stop.

00:03:32.800 Hardly at all.

00:03:33.420 Stop right there.

00:03:34.960 Month to month is not how you measure inflation.

00:03:38.520 He knows this.

00:03:39.580 It's not 8.2 to 8.2 month to month, meaning it's flat.

00:03:44.720 It is 8.2% higher than last, what, September or August.

00:03:53.040 Last August, a year ago.

00:03:55.920 So remember the high inflation that we all had and we're like, whoa, prices are out of control.

00:04:00.580 It's up another 8.2%.

00:04:04.180 It's not flat.

00:04:07.000 It's an annualized rate.

00:04:08.580 Gosh, these people, the lies.

00:04:11.700 I don't know how they sleep at night.

00:04:14.320 All right, here you go.

00:04:15.080 Next.

00:04:15.700 Oh, you're not arguing that 8.3 is good news.

00:04:18.560 No, I'm not saying it's good news, but it was 8.2 or 8.2 before.

00:04:22.520 I mean, it's not, maybe I can make it sound like all of a sudden, my God, it went to 8.2%.

00:04:27.240 It's the highest inflation rate, Mr. President, in 40 years.

00:04:31.520 I got that.

00:04:32.420 But guess what we are.

00:04:33.980 We're in a position where for the last several months, it hasn't spiked.

00:04:37.340 It has just barely, it's been basically even.

00:04:40.380 This is incredible.

00:04:41.620 He's basically arguing the fact that the inflation has hit the American people for a longer period of time is good news.

00:04:48.680 Yeah.

00:04:48.780 Like, hey, you've dealt with this terrible problem for six months or 12 months, not just the one, so therefore you shouldn't worry about it.

00:04:57.680 Like, no, the problem is existing and it has peaked and we've stayed right near the peak here for month after month after month after month.

00:05:05.460 That just keeps hitting families over and over and over again.

00:05:08.320 If it was just a one month spike and it went away, that wouldn't be that big of a problem.

00:05:13.260 The problem is that it's going on for now a year or more and he has seemingly no way of controlling it.

00:05:21.300 He went on to talk about gas prices.

00:05:23.780 Look, core inflation, and you know this, I don't have to say this.

00:05:27.660 If somebody needs to do their own homework, just go grocery shopping.

00:05:31.080 Go grocery shopping.

00:05:32.640 What were you paying last year?

00:05:34.180 What were you paying two years ago?

00:05:36.400 The prices are through the roof.

00:05:38.920 Now, gasoline has come down off of its five-year high.

00:05:43.220 Why?

00:05:44.780 Because gasoline, he has been draining our strategic oil reserves.

00:05:50.900 Do we still have that chart I showed last week?

00:05:53.600 Stu hasn't seen it yet.

00:05:54.700 This is amazing.

00:05:57.280 Our oil reserves are on a reverse hockey stick.

00:06:01.820 It is just plummeting down.

00:06:05.980 And what are we going to do?

00:06:08.140 We are getting rid of our strategic oil reserves for what?

00:06:13.720 An election.

00:06:14.820 That's why.

00:06:15.880 Now, energy crisis in Europe is going to spread here because it's not just what Russia is doing. 0.52

00:06:26.540 That's not the only problem.

00:06:28.480 The problem is they are ahead of us on all this ESG stuff.

00:06:33.320 I told you last week, and I've always told you that I'm bad at timing, and I am.

00:06:42.780 I mean, this time I was three days ahead.

00:06:46.440 I couldn't believe it when I opened up the paper on Saturday, and I'm reading about how Germany is now nationalizing three of their power plants.

00:06:59.700 I told you nationalization would come.

00:07:03.660 Nationalization will come here as well.

00:07:06.820 And then we become Venezuela.

00:07:10.680 What's going to happen is these energy prices are not going to be affordable by any stretch of the imagination.

00:07:19.580 They're already going through this in England.

00:07:23.340 But England right now is so focused, and the media is so focused on, can we put the poor woman into the ground, please? 0.99

00:07:32.240 But they're so focused on all of this.

00:07:35.480 And I don't know if the media will ever tell you what's really going on.

00:07:40.040 But they're now talking about printing at the central bank, the Bank of London or of England.

00:07:46.760 They're now talking about more money printing because they don't have the money in their coffers to be able to pay for everybody's electric bills because they've promised they would pay anything over 2,500 pounds a month.

00:08:03.900 Well, so that's just going to drive inflation in the UK through the roof.

00:08:09.440 It will devalue their British pound, and it will force them to nationalize these companies because these companies will not be able to deal with the price caps.

00:08:24.280 And so the government will say, see, they can't do it.

00:08:26.820 The free market just doesn't work, and they will nationalize.

00:08:30.820 This is coming.

00:08:32.340 It's coming here.

00:08:33.440 By the way, something else you probably didn't know is last week, Putin met with President Xi.

00:08:41.720 President Xi, they are meeting about a new currency.

00:08:47.540 I have told you for 20 years, the currency will be debased.

00:08:55.820 It is.

00:08:56.620 That's why we have inflation.

00:08:58.960 Our currency is being debased.

00:09:01.380 So, what do you do about it?

00:09:05.560 Everybody told me, Glenn, it's never going to crash.

00:09:08.680 We're the best out there.

00:09:10.600 Everybody else is currency.

00:09:12.020 And I've said for 20 years, do you really believe that no one at any time will draw a line in the sand and say, enough is enough?

00:09:22.740 We can do better than this.

00:09:24.180 That's exactly what China, Russia, and the BRIC countries are doing right now.

00:09:30.260 Now, developing a new currency, that will put us into a tailspin.

00:09:40.120 And our government knows it, but they're not telling you.

00:09:43.640 Why else would they be talking about a digital currency?

00:09:46.520 The White House, in surprise of all surprises, has come out this weekend and said, we recommend the Fed goes to a new digital currency, a new digital dollar.

00:10:00.320 Why?

00:10:01.380 Because the dollar is going to collapse.

00:10:04.660 I urge you not to take anything that I have just said as gospel.

00:10:12.440 Look it all up yourself.

00:10:15.160 It is critical that you know the truth and you know how to find the truth.

00:10:22.580 The best way to find the truth, the best starting place is who's telling you, you have to listen to me because I have the truth or I have, quote, the science.

00:10:40.760 And you will not be allowed to question anything.

00:10:45.820 Any question of what I believe is true makes you my enemy.

00:10:52.000 Anyone who tells you that does not have the truth on their side.

00:10:59.500 That's the first test.

00:11:01.540 Then you have to go and explore all sides.

00:11:07.060 And I urge you and your neighbors and your friends to do that.

00:11:13.020 Time is becoming critical.

00:11:20.120 So the White House has said now that they're going to create, they recommend creating a new digital dollar.

00:11:26.460 We told you they were going to do that.

00:11:28.060 What, a year ago, year and a half ago, because it has already been done.

00:11:33.440 I think it's called the Madison Project or Hamilton, probably the Hamilton Project up in at MIT.

00:11:41.500 Do you remember, Stu?

00:11:42.700 It's been a while since we've talked about this.

00:11:45.420 But now they are releasing their first ever comprehensive framework for responsible development of digital assets.

00:11:54.860 And Biden also said this.

00:12:00.440 And I'm going to play this and then I want to take a break and comment on it.

00:12:04.140 Because when you are redesigning a world, and there are several people doing that now.

00:12:14.040 Everybody who is a globalist is doing that.

00:12:19.240 They're dividing up the world and taking their own positions and hunkering down.

00:12:27.040 We are, unfortunately, are on the receiving end of China.

00:12:32.640 Now, China, do they have the will? 0.82

00:12:37.920 Yes.

00:12:38.240 Do they have the people?

00:12:39.580 Yes.

00:12:39.960 Do they have the money?

00:12:44.280 No, but neither do we.

00:12:46.680 But we are on a collision course now with China. 0.86

00:12:50.300 And I'll give you the update on that.

00:12:52.260 But first, let me play what Joe Biden said yesterday.

00:12:56.700 Cut one.

00:12:58.000 If there's a one China policy, then Taiwan makes their own judgments about their independence.

00:13:02.780 We are not moving.

00:13:04.220 We're not encouraging them being independent.

00:13:06.480 We're not.

00:13:07.000 That's their decision.

00:13:08.100 But would U.S. forces defend the island?

00:13:11.200 Yes.

00:13:11.700 If, in fact, there was an unprecedented attack.

00:13:14.340 After our interview, a White House official told us U.S. policy has not changed.

00:13:20.420 Officially, the U.S. will not say whether American forces would defend Taiwan.

00:13:26.420 But the commander-in-chief had a view of his own.

00:13:29.780 So, unlike Ukraine, to be clear, sir, U.S. forces, U.S. men and women would defend Taiwan in the event of a Chinese invasion.

00:13:39.480 Yes.

00:13:40.840 Is that the stable leadership you voted for?

00:13:45.680 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

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00:13:58.300 Sasha Stone is with us now.

00:14:01.220 Sasha, how are you?

00:14:03.300 Oh, I'm fine.

00:14:04.620 Hi.

00:14:05.020 Is this Glenn?

00:14:05.760 Am I speaking with Glenn Beck?

00:14:07.060 Probably something you never thought you would do.

00:14:13.200 Absolutely never something I thought I would do.

00:14:15.820 But I am familiar with your thoughts on certain things.

00:14:20.040 I've watched your interviews with different people over the year.

00:14:23.720 So, Sasha, you've been a diehard Democrat, Obama, Clinton, and Joe Biden, right?

00:14:35.520 You made video about Joe Biden trying to get him elected.

00:14:39.880 Yes.

00:14:40.440 I mean, I want to tell you that I devoted my entire life, unfortunately, to this cause.

00:14:46.140 Whole years have disappeared from my life.

00:14:48.620 And, you know, as you get older, you really need that time.

00:14:51.180 You need it back, and you can't get it back.

00:14:53.400 So, I guess I thought I was on some sort of crusade, spending every single day arguing

00:14:58.560 on Twitter and Facebook and writing blistering pieces for Medium.

00:15:02.780 And, you know, I really did think I was on the right side.

00:15:06.700 And I felt the same sense of purpose that I think a lot of people on the left felt after

00:15:12.120 Obama rose to power in 2008.

00:15:15.300 I think it just, that's when it became, I know you're interested in, you know, talking

00:15:19.180 about religions and stuff like that.

00:15:20.740 And I think that's really the moment that it became a religion.

00:15:26.700 I would agree with you.

00:15:29.440 What was it that you voted for with Joe Biden, and you think your friends voted for with Joe

00:15:36.580 Biden?

00:15:36.820 Well, for me, it was strategic, partly.

00:15:42.420 But also, I had sort of an emotional connection to him somehow.

00:15:45.940 I had over the years.

00:15:47.140 I don't know where it came from.

00:15:48.580 But I liked him.

00:15:51.060 He reminded me of my dad.

00:15:52.600 And I thought he was a good guy.

00:15:55.020 But, you know, you have to remember that on our side, like, we actually, it's weird that

00:16:00.180 people with so much power and wealth that dominate almost every institution would feel

00:16:05.940 like they're the ones who are besieged, you know, that they're the oppressed side.

00:16:10.860 And I think that's what we definitely convinced ourselves that we were stopping, you know,

00:16:15.120 Hitler. 0.57

00:16:15.940 And I believe that Joe Biden was the only one who could do it.

00:16:19.560 But I did get a lot of heat from my friends who didn't think Biden was the guy.

00:16:25.760 And I feel sort of somewhat guilty about that, that I didn't see it.

00:16:30.200 I just thought, oh, he'll win and that'll be fine.

00:16:32.320 And, you know, everything will be everything will be back to, quote unquote, normal in America.

00:16:37.960 And what that meant was rolling back the forward motion of this country to the Obama administration,

00:16:44.700 to the Obama era.

00:16:45.760 I think that's what everybody was thinking.

00:16:47.240 But what I've learned in the past few years is you can't go back, you know, you have to

00:16:52.320 keep moving forward.

00:16:53.440 There's no other option, really.

00:16:55.260 If you try to hold on to the past, you're just going to be selling things that people

00:16:59.200 are no longer interested in.

00:17:00.660 Wouldn't that be what, I mean, that's what Joe Biden says he's selling.

00:17:05.140 And Barack Obama is part of, you know, the plan here and moving his vision forward.

00:17:13.880 Isn't that what he did?

00:17:17.160 Absolutely.

00:17:18.160 And I think that's the problem is that they're so desperately trying to cling to the utopia

00:17:23.440 that we all built, that they've lost sight of reality, the reality of most Americans,

00:17:30.180 the reality that America has changed.

00:17:32.960 The world has changed.

00:17:34.300 The left has changed.

00:17:36.420 And I don't think that they see that.

00:17:38.260 They're just desperate to hold on to the past.

00:17:41.580 And I think they see it as, and I've started to see it as, a fight between Obama's America

00:17:46.880 and Trump's America, which is a little like the moment that, you know, back in the 60s when

00:17:55.700 they were switching from JFK to Nixon.

00:17:58.160 Nixon was sort of like the disruptor.

00:17:59.900 And then eventually they moved to Reagan in 1980.

00:18:03.280 And then the whole pendulum shifted to the right.

00:18:06.460 I think that's sort of where we are now.

00:18:08.620 We're in that struggle phase of a disruptor that's breaking up the status quo as the pendulum

00:18:14.420 is beginning to swing to the right.

00:18:16.940 But it's going to be a while before we get there.

00:18:18.840 And it might not get there if the Democrats hold on to power.

00:18:22.720 They're not going to let that happen.

00:18:25.460 This is, I mean, I'm sure we disagree on still a lot of stuff.

00:18:29.960 Would you can, you wouldn't consider yourself a conservative.

00:18:34.860 You're just a, a traditional liberal, I'm guessing.

00:18:38.620 Well, I am in sort of a strange place because I have, I was telling one of my best friends,

00:18:44.840 you know, my friends basically no longer speak to me.

00:18:46.960 Most of them don't, because we don't really have anything to talk about.

00:18:51.300 But, you know, I kept saying, no, I mean, in all this time, my policies haven't changed

00:18:57.360 in my mind.

00:18:57.960 Like the things that I, the one area where, where my mind has changed a little bit is with

00:19:03.000 abortion, um, I used to be one of those people, you know, but I, I've, I've seen the other

00:19:09.280 side of it.

00:19:09.840 I see things from the perspective of the right now, and I understand why this is something

00:19:14.940 that they've been fighting for decades, you know?

00:19:17.440 Um, so I do struggle with these things.

00:19:19.400 I, I find myself in an in-between place.

00:19:21.760 I'm not really, I'm not really sure where I would go politically, you know, when face was

00:19:26.920 about, I live in California, so it doesn't really matter.

00:19:29.080 Like, it's such a deep blue state that my vote is meaningless, you know?

00:19:34.500 So I don't think, I don't have to, like, if I lived in Pennsylvania or Arizona, you know,

00:19:39.580 honestly, I'm pretty sure I would just be voting red.

00:19:42.180 I voted for, uh, the recall and I voted for Larry Elder for that.

00:19:47.140 Um, so I, you know, I'm just, I'm just one of those independents that's going to take 0.97

00:19:51.160 every election as it comes and decide, you know, on the spot.

00:19:54.080 No, I'm not a traditional conservative, um, the way that you are, for instance, you know,

00:20:00.020 I don't have that sort of sense of purpose, I think, that, that a lot of people in the

00:20:03.900 right have.

00:20:04.840 So, um, what was it that broke the camel's back?

00:20:12.060 Well, um, I'm not really sure what happened in my brain that, that changed the way that

00:20:18.220 I saw the world, but I know it happened in 2020.

00:20:20.920 I know it happened once the, the protests and the riots broke out and then watching

00:20:26.080 the media cover it up and change the story and change the narrative.

00:20:30.540 And then as we headed into the election, I just kept seeing how there was a, and sort

00:20:35.420 of an administrative state that was taking over the democratic process.

00:20:39.880 That's how I thought anyway.

00:20:40.960 And I was, I was sort of blown away by that.

00:20:42.940 I'd never seen anything like that before, but there was so much money and power invested

00:20:47.900 in bringing down a duly elected president that they didn't like.

00:20:52.320 And that's what you didn't, but you didn't like Donald Trump or did you?

00:20:58.200 Well, that was the hard thing.

00:20:59.880 And the weird thing is that when I decided to, well, you know, you, you, you talk about

00:21:06.700 this a lot, actually, Glenn, which is the dehumanization of whole groups of people that, that is reminiscent

00:21:12.060 of Nazi Germany.

00:21:13.800 And I felt that when I was on Twitter, I was part of that.

00:21:16.900 And it gave me a chill that I was dehumanizing a whole group of people.

00:21:21.980 And I thought, where does this end?

00:21:23.440 Where does all of the hatred every single day go?

00:21:25.900 You know, they think the right is the side with the hate, but they're not the left.

00:21:29.900 And so I started in my way of trying to get to know this world.

00:21:34.400 I began watching Trump rallies and I watched all of his, I still, to this day, I've seen

00:21:38.640 every single Trump rally, you know, looking for that smoking gun that would say, yes, he's 1.00

00:21:45.140 a terrible racist, fascist, selling hate. 1.00

00:21:49.120 But I didn't see that with Trump. 1.00

00:21:50.900 In fact, it's hard to watch him and not like him because he's charming and charismatic and

00:21:55.900 funny.

00:21:56.240 He had funny people who really hate him and they've missed a really good time on his, on

00:22:04.240 his rallies.

00:22:04.980 He's funny.

00:22:06.320 He's very funny.

00:22:08.340 He is really funny.

00:22:09.700 And it was more than that.

00:22:11.120 I was in such a dark place and the only, nobody believes me on this, but the only moments of

00:22:18.080 joy I had was watching those rallies because everybody was happy.

00:22:21.860 It was kind of like the people of Whoville when the Grinch is taken away.

00:22:26.240 All of their toys and their Christmas tree and everything.

00:22:28.780 And he's waiting to watch them suffer, but they don't, they sing and they're happy.

00:22:32.980 And I was watching this and I was thinking, you know, and then I started to look forward

00:22:36.740 to his rallies.

00:22:37.600 I'm like, okay, let's see that the music would start and he'd come out and it was just a

00:22:41.800 love fest, you know, people who were, who had hope, you know, that he gave them hope.

00:22:46.820 And I didn't see the cult, you know, I see the cult more on the left than I do on the

00:22:51.660 right.

00:22:52.580 And people don't know this about Trump, but he's, he makes a lot of jokes at his own

00:22:56.520 expense.

00:22:58.140 And, and, you know, when I explain this to people, like the one where he says that the

00:23:03.880 guy, one of the governors or something plucked a hair off of his head and he's like, and we

00:23:08.220 went looking for that hair because he couldn't afford to lose one hair, but he's always making

00:23:15.300 jokes at his own expense, jokes about his vanity.

00:23:18.120 And so you, it's funny, but, but hang on.

00:23:21.400 So you watched all of these and yet you voted in and made videos about Joe Biden, right?

00:23:29.640 No, I mean, I had done all that before.

00:23:31.940 Oh, before.

00:23:32.540 So you, okay.

00:23:33.660 All right.

00:23:34.120 Biden train.

00:23:34.760 And yeah, in 2019, as I was heading into the 2020 election, I was talking to my friends.

00:23:40.360 I had two friends that are Trump haters.

00:23:42.860 In fact, they wouldn't even speak to me now really about Trump.

00:23:45.260 They call him evil. 0.99

00:23:46.800 They say his supporters must be exterminated, terrible stuff like that. 1.00

00:23:51.160 And I know. 0.93

00:23:52.180 And I said, you know what you sound like, don't you?

00:23:54.560 You know what the word exterminate was used for, you know, in regards to people.

00:23:59.500 And that did shut them up for a minute, but they really, they're so full of hate.

00:24:03.540 I've never seen anything like this in my entire life, honestly, that kind of dehumanization.

00:24:09.300 But, but I kept saying to them, you know, I'm, I'm not so sure about Biden.

00:24:13.440 I don't think he should be president.

00:24:15.320 And they're like, well, what do you think, you know, what's the alternative Trump?

00:24:18.740 Trump is way worse.

00:24:19.700 And I said, I don't know. 0.86

00:24:20.620 I'm seeing this sort of bizarre new religion that's overtaken the left.

00:24:25.360 And he's going to usher that into government.

00:24:27.660 And that's really dangerous.

00:24:28.720 And he's old.

00:24:30.620 And I mean, I, I, not old as in, that's a bad thing, but I could see that he was declining.

00:24:35.140 Yeah.

00:24:35.580 Since I saw him at a luncheon in 2019, he was already starting to decline mentally.

00:24:41.920 And I'd seen my dad go through dementia the year before, and I was recognizing a lot of the same downward patterns that my dad went through and they just shut me down.

00:24:53.480 And, um, and honestly, Glenn, to tell you the truth, I, I do have a business that I run that is a Hollywood business.

00:24:59.920 I still have movie studios.

00:25:02.060 No, I'm just saying, like, I am flirting with disaster here.

00:25:05.220 Oh, you are.

00:25:06.060 If I had, if I had voted for Trump, let's say my career would be, I wouldn't make another dime ever if they ever found out.

00:25:13.640 Right.

00:25:13.880 So I didn't vote for Trump.

00:25:15.340 I did vote for Biden and I did it for that reason, honestly.

00:25:18.900 And I don't know where I am politically.

00:25:21.900 I have to just really do some soul searching and figure that out.

00:25:24.800 Cause I don't really know at the moment.

00:25:26.740 So boy, you are in a nasty predicament.

00:25:31.540 You are in California.

00:25:32.840 California, uh, you, your business is tied to Hollywood.

00:25:37.280 God bless you.

00:25:38.980 Um, and, but you're not shy about things now.

00:25:43.440 You've got a great sub stack.

00:25:45.240 Uh, and you wrote, uh, an article, how Joe Biden lost my vote.

00:25:51.600 And, uh, it was, it was heartening to see, um, somebody that had, uh, taken their own education

00:26:01.740 and decided this might take me places.

00:26:05.420 I don't want to go, but I want to know the truth.

00:26:08.620 Is that how you would describe what you did?

00:26:11.060 That's a absolutely brilliant way of describing it.

00:26:14.260 That I, I, you know, that, that is where, that is where my mind took me.

00:26:18.340 It's, it's taken me down a lot of rabbit holes over the years.

00:26:20.680 You know, Watergate, the Salem Witch Trials, World War II.

00:26:25.220 I'm a fanatic for that, you know?

00:26:27.000 And, and so when I find that something doesn't seem quite right, you know, I have to sort

00:26:32.380 of investigate it.

00:26:34.240 And, um, and I, I feel like that the truth matters to me.

00:26:38.420 This is what I've found now in my, my life is that that matters more than just about anything

00:26:43.540 except my daughter, probably maybe my dogs, but I mean, it, it matters that, uh, you know,

00:26:50.320 that we see the truth, that we can speak the truth, that I can speak the truth.

00:26:53.700 I grew up in a country, you know, the left was always the counterculture.

00:26:57.500 So, you know, we were encouraged to speak the truth always.

00:27:00.760 Um, and now I'm being asked to modify my version, you know, to, to believe a lie, a lot of lies

00:27:09.020 about people.

00:27:09.480 And I feel like the only thing that really matters to me right now is, um, giving some

00:27:15.500 relief to the other half of the country, to the people who are being treated so terribly,

00:27:21.340 um, on almost every level, you know, once I started to get to know this world, I began

00:27:27.180 watching like documentaries and the Oscar race, cause that's what I write about the Oscars.

00:27:31.420 And I just noticed how they reflect only one point of view and how limiting that was for

00:27:37.280 them, right?

00:27:37.820 Like they cannot, they can't tell the story of the working man anymore.

00:27:41.000 Like they used to be able to, you know, because the working man is going to be most likely 0.93

00:27:45.820 a Trump supporter.

00:27:47.680 So, and you never saw, and you never saw that when you were in the bubble.

00:27:54.200 No.

00:27:54.700 And that was the weird thing is when I realized I was in a bubble, I kept trying to tell people,

00:27:59.640 I can't talk to you.

00:28:00.800 You're in the bubble. 0.98

00:28:01.500 They thought I was a lunatic. 0.98

00:28:02.960 They thought I completely lost my mind. 0.98

00:28:04.640 They did sound crazy to them.

00:28:06.860 And, you know, I've thought about it a lot.

00:28:09.460 And I, I, you know, I've been online for 28 years.

00:28:12.300 I was an early adopter.

00:28:13.980 I got online in 1994.

00:28:15.280 I built a website in 1999.

00:28:17.220 So I know the internet well.

00:28:18.720 And I have to conclude that a lot of this has to do with how we've migrated onto social

00:28:23.660 media and become these, you know, in our own little ecosystems where, you know, on Twitter,

00:28:29.420 they only get news that they want to hear.

00:28:32.340 So it distorts their thinking.

00:28:34.320 And I noticed that that's why I had to cut off the news completely, because I noticed

00:28:38.000 that even if I watch one news story on the left, they can completely persuade me to think,

00:28:42.960 you know, about something a different way.

00:28:44.580 But it's one thing if you're getting that from both sides, and you're deciding for yourself.

00:28:51.100 And it's another thing when you're only watching the one version.

00:28:55.680 And, and I've just found that, honestly, the more critical thinkers, the more intelligent

00:29:01.400 people, oh, this is so terrible to say, but they're on the right now, you know, they're

00:29:06.220 not on the left anymore.

00:29:07.360 The left has, you know, become a movement that they believe they have all the answers now.

00:29:13.800 And the answers are found in ranking people by race and gender, not by class or economics.

00:29:22.920 And I think that that's, or by character, right.

00:29:28.440 Even though, if you go into Trump world, you'll see it's incredibly diverse.

00:29:33.600 It's not just white people.

00:29:35.720 And that's the next piece I'm about to write is about that, because I think that it's such

00:29:41.220 a crazy thing to watch them stereotype and characterize people that doesn't line up with

00:29:47.120 reality.

00:29:47.840 We're going to pick it up there.

00:29:49.560 Standby.

00:29:50.260 Her name is Sasha Stone, and you can find her at SashaStone.Substack.com.

00:29:57.660 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:30:13.540 We're talking to Sasha Stone, who was a pretty hardcore Democrat and is, and had a lot to 0.99

00:30:23.240 lose and has come out and now very publicly on Substack, been voicing concern about where

00:30:32.320 the country is headed and why she is now defending the people that the left and in particular,

00:30:40.600 Joe Biden, in his blood red speech, was attacking.

00:30:46.460 Sasha, thank you for staying with us.

00:30:48.940 Um, I, I, I believe that it's 15 to 20% of the left is hardcore.

00:30:58.920 Uh, they want an end to the, you know, bill of rights as we know it and everything else,

00:31:03.840 but 80% of Democrats are not like that.

00:31:07.040 They, they like America, generally speaking.

00:31:10.240 I mean, we have problems and flaws, but they don't want it to be destroyed.

00:31:15.820 Do you agree with that?

00:31:17.160 Yeah, I do.

00:31:19.500 And in fact, uh, Biden was a bit of a Trojan horse in that way.

00:31:24.260 Um, I think that the, the people that have overtaken the party, the ideology that's overtaken

00:31:30.360 the party really spilled out of Tumblr, uh, as generation Z grew up and came of age on social

00:31:37.000 media and then have foisted their sort of new found religion on, onto the, to the left.

00:31:43.240 And they have taken it, unfortunately, and not, it stood up to it.

00:31:47.140 And if any of them ever stood up to it, Gavin Newsom or any of these guys, they would do

00:31:52.560 really well with voters because voters don't want that in power.

00:31:55.420 In fact, that's going to be their, um, their tragic flaw.

00:31:59.340 I think are their downfall ultimately is that they have still have to sell these policies

00:32:03.140 and Americans aren't going to go for it. 0.98

00:32:05.060 They're going to resist it.

00:32:06.220 The trick is what Biden is doing and why I've given up on him and why I'm angry at him is

00:32:12.340 that he's decided that the only way they could win is by dehumanizing people and creating this,

00:32:18.720 this unfiltered bottomless rage toward his own citizens, you know, and, and say what you

00:32:25.920 will about Trump, but he never did that.

00:32:27.700 He might've trolled them.

00:32:29.760 You know, he might've, he told the media, he told the media, yeah, but he didn't really

00:32:35.320 go after the people.

00:32:36.700 They kept accusing him of that, but he never did it.

00:32:39.040 Joe Biden is doing what they all have said that Trump would do.

00:32:42.240 So you, you wrote a, uh, great piece on Substack.

00:32:46.060 The, uh, semi-fascists are coming from inside the house.

00:32:49.780 Um, it is, it's interesting to me that the left either discounts or cannot see, um, the

00:33:01.540 fascistic things that are happening like crazy every day.

00:33:07.660 It's another violation, um, that only, uh, uh, a dictator or a Thor authoritarian would even

00:33:14.880 think about doing, um, how, how, how do we get?

00:33:19.780 People to see that.

00:33:23.440 I don't know.

00:33:24.660 And I don't think it's actually possible.

00:33:26.420 The people who listen to me are not people on the left, right?

00:33:29.700 They demonize me and put me on the other side of the fence, right?

00:33:33.060 They, they don't, uh, so I don't know how you break through to that.

00:33:37.380 Normally we would have journalists and artists, but we don't have that now.

00:33:41.560 So, well, we're starting to, we're starting to get comedians.

00:33:44.200 Um, when you, when you say the left, I'm not, um, I just don't know how you save people

00:33:53.920 who are on just on that far left that, you know, celebrates abortion and, and, uh, and

00:34:00.540 says that America is evil and capitalism, you know, is brought only misery.

00:34:06.860 I don't know if you're ever going to be able to convince them.

00:34:10.100 I mean, the 80% that you and I both think exist that are Democrats who have got to be

00:34:17.840 watching this going.

00:34:18.700 And I don't know, I'm, I'm not, I'm not all that comfortable with all of this.

00:34:24.640 Well, I don't know if you watched, um, Frank Luntz had a, uh, a group of people that he

00:34:29.880 was talking to just recently, and they were talking about how bad things are in America

00:34:33.780 and they could sense it, but they couldn't name it because I don't think that they have,

00:34:37.640 they can, you know, the media is reaching them.

00:34:41.560 And so either they've tuned out of cable news or else every time they turn on the news,

00:34:46.300 um, they, they just see what is basically filtered up through the left that you're talking about,

00:34:51.720 the small majority minority that controls the party.

00:34:55.840 But the problem is that, you know, it, the way that the left talks about the Trump, right,

00:35:01.120 you know, they say the Republican party isn't, can't be saved because the Trump people have

00:35:05.940 infiltrated.

00:35:06.780 So you just have to vote out all of them.

00:35:08.280 I mean, funnily enough, that's sort of true of them, of the left, right?

00:35:11.860 I have, I have found over the years, whatever the left says that we're doing or that Trump

00:35:19.300 is doing or whatever, they're absolutely doing that.

00:35:22.480 They, they self-diagnose all the time, all the time.

00:35:25.640 That's right.

00:35:26.380 And that took me a while to figure out, but the, but that's exactly it.

00:35:30.120 Like, that's really the truth that they're their own worst enemy in that regard, right?

00:35:34.520 They're losing the silent majority, just like they did back in the late sixties and seventies.

00:35:40.980 Um, I think, like you said, most people are, you know, decent.

00:35:44.540 I walk around my neighborhood every day and I say hello to my neighbors and, you know,

00:35:48.640 we don't know who we each voted for or what we think politically.

00:35:51.940 We smile, we would take care of each other in an emergency, you know, and that's the America

00:35:57.120 that I love and would love for all to get back to is just to be able to see each other

00:36:02.500 as people again, you know, and, um, and the right isn't doing that to the left.

00:36:07.360 The left is doing that to the right.

00:36:08.760 So that is why I find myself in this position of trying to wake people up.

00:36:12.680 I don't know that I'm being effective at all.

00:36:15.020 However, I think as I wrote in that piece, they need to have a hard lesson taught to them

00:36:19.220 by being simply voted out, um, of power.

00:36:22.960 I think we're all getting a hard lesson here, uh, soon, uh, if we don't turn around.

00:36:28.300 Um, Sasha, so what was the thing that, I mean, you had, I know, because I used to be pro

00:36:36.000 choice, uh, 30 years ago, um, and I realized I was a nincompoop.

00:36:41.060 I didn't know anything.

00:36:42.320 I, every view I held was because it had been taught to me or I, it was popular or whatever. 1.00

00:36:48.740 And so, you know, I turned 30 and I realized what an idiot. 0.84

00:36:53.040 And so I started doing, um, you know, study and really tried to form, you know, who I 0.97

00:37:02.440 really was.

00:37:03.480 And it took me about 10 years, but I remember in that 10 year period of, of thinking, I

00:37:08.740 don't want, I don't know if I want to be that guy.

00:37:11.580 I have, and if I keep going down this road, I'm, it looks like, I mean, I'm starting to

00:37:17.300 believe these things and I don't want to be that guy.

00:37:20.700 You had the, um, the other, which is you're going to be a pariah.

00:37:26.560 Not only did you maybe not want to be that person, um, that believed, you know, that the

00:37:32.280 right was right.

00:37:33.380 Uh, but you also risked all of your friends and your business first, how do you, what would

00:37:44.140 you say to somebody who's just beginning that journey?

00:37:48.780 Uh, and the second part of that is what made you finally say to hell with it?

00:37:54.740 I don't care.

00:37:56.380 Yeah, I know.

00:37:59.280 Right.

00:37:59.600 Um, well, the first part is that it took me a while to edge over to the right.

00:38:04.200 Like I did was sort of first approaching the never Trump conservatives.

00:38:07.800 And I actually met Joe Walsh, you know who he is.

00:38:10.980 And, um, I had a phone call with him once and I asked him, you know, you're a libertarian.

00:38:16.500 How come you are not pro-choice?

00:38:19.140 And he explained to me that because he believed that the baby had a right to life and he was

00:38:24.080 looking out for the rights of that child.

00:38:26.100 And that, when he told me that it was the first time I ever really thought, I know it 0.74

00:38:30.800 seems stupid, but it was the only time I really, you know, I bought the whole thing 0.87

00:38:34.780 from the feminist movement. 0.99

00:38:36.220 I was raised by a feminist. 0.57

00:38:37.480 I was a feminist, you know, I don't, I'm not exactly thrilled with, you know, population 1.00

00:38:41.860 on this planet and all that, you know, I, not to be too TMI about it, but I bought it

00:38:47.800 enough that I've experienced it.

00:38:49.500 And I know that it's painful emotionally and physically.

00:38:52.580 And it is something, the only thing that I regret in my life.

00:38:56.420 And I tell my daughter all the time, don't do it.

00:39:00.160 It's not worth it.

00:39:01.300 And so I am discouraged by the Democrats treating it like it's like getting your ears pierced.

00:39:06.980 Yeah.

00:39:07.380 It's a very difficult, very hard thing.

00:39:10.240 And to look at people on the right who care about the, the, the right to life of the fetus,

00:39:16.420 you know, is, is, is just to have compassion for them and to understand where they're coming

00:39:21.920 from and to see that this is a deeply held belief.

00:39:24.400 It's not, I want to control women's bodies or I'm a fascist.

00:39:28.100 It's, I, you know, I think that this is, this child's life matters.

00:39:32.880 And it's weird that the left acts as though they care about every life, you know, that

00:39:38.000 they, that they really do care about everybody's identity and that they spend so much time on

00:39:42.620 that.

00:39:43.200 But a fetus to them is just nothing, you know, it's, it doesn't, it's not life.

00:39:48.480 So I can, I can see both sides.

00:39:50.580 Like, I don't know that I'm for the government regulating that.

00:39:54.060 I feel like that's sort of a recipe, you know, for kind of maybe authoritarianism that we don't

00:40:00.120 really want, but how else to get people to, you know, stop and be a little more sober about

00:40:05.940 this conversation.

00:40:08.140 So what finally made me say, forget it?

00:40:10.460 Well, you know what?

00:40:11.460 I don't really know.

00:40:12.540 I guess I've just been, I guess I have to come from a place of that Bob Dylan line.

00:40:18.920 You know, when you ain't got nothing, you've got nothing to lose to where I can't, people

00:40:26.400 treat me terribly online.

00:40:27.920 You probably have, well, I mean, I'm sure it's only a fraction of what you might get,

00:40:32.960 but, you know, I've been treated like a swarmed and bullied and harassed and called the white

00:40:42.800 supremacist.

00:40:44.020 And, and, you know, I mean the worst names you could ever imagine.

00:40:47.660 And I feel like, you know, what's the alternative, you know, staying silent and hoping that one

00:40:54.400 day they, they treat me nicely, you know, like that's not, and if it's just about money,

00:40:59.380 well, I'm just going to have to take that risk, you know, and find another way to make

00:41:02.960 money.

00:41:03.720 You know, I did it once.

00:41:05.220 I can do it again.

00:41:06.060 Um, you know, I, I, I, I don't know.

00:41:10.980 I, something just compels me to move in this direction and I'm not sure what it is.

00:41:16.180 And, uh, all I can hope is it's the right decision right now.

00:41:21.280 Yeah.

00:41:21.780 Well, uh, oh, it's never too late.

00:41:24.440 They would probably welcome you back.

00:41:25.860 Um, if you would join the, if you would join the, the get them club, um, Sasha, we'll be

00:41:32.900 reading you.

00:41:33.580 Thank you so much for talking to me.

00:41:35.340 Um, and honestly, I have so, so much respect for people, even if they come to completely

00:41:42.020 different conclusions than I did.

00:41:44.060 I have so much, uh, admiration for people who will examine the things about them or the

00:41:53.580 things that they believe, um, when it takes them into very uncomfortable territory, uh,

00:42:00.700 and they, they just stick to it and do it.

00:42:03.460 I, I, there's just, that is a defining moment of when you really truly become in, in my case,

00:42:12.240 a man, uh, and a citizen.

00:42:15.860 So, well, thank you for having me.

00:42:18.140 It's, you know, I do appreciate your reaching out.

00:42:20.720 But I, I have listened to you a lot and I know that that's where you're coming from.

00:42:24.620 And, um, and it's been an interesting conversation.

00:42:27.680 So thank you.

00:42:29.340 That's usually a bad sign.

00:42:31.180 Oh, it's very, very interesting.

00:42:33.300 Sasha.

00:42:33.820 No, no, no.

00:42:34.340 I know what you, no, I know what you say.

00:42:36.360 Thank you so much.

00:42:37.220 Uh, Sasha Stone, uh, you can follow her at sashastone.substack.com.

00:42:44.660 She is writing some very powerful articles right now.

00:42:50.720 So.

00:42:54.780 You.

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