The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Sen. Mike Lee ｜ 1⧸23⧸24

00:00:00.000 Stu. Glenn. What a program, what a broadcast, what a show, would you say?

00:00:06.040 People will be saying it for years.

00:00:08.120 Years and years. This is the one we win, the Emmy or the Grammy or the EGOT or something.

00:00:14.940 We're going to win for this one because it's quite a show.

00:00:17.980 We're talking about Election Day in New Hampshire.

00:00:21.480 Is this the last day of a primary in America?

00:00:25.020 Is this the way it should be?

00:00:26.900 What do the poll numbers look like?

00:00:29.120 We heard from a lot of people that were voting up in New Hampshire.

00:00:32.340 We also talked to Mike Lee about the border decision made by the Supreme Court.

00:00:37.360 He brought in some real problems and some real hope, I think.

00:00:44.300 There's too many people saying, you know, we should defy the Supreme Court.

00:00:48.300 Well, on this one, there's nothing to defy.

00:00:50.720 On the right and Texas isn't going to have to defy anything.

00:00:55.000 We'll talk about that on today's podcast and so much more.

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00:02:11.400 Stu, is this going to be a fun day?

00:02:15.480 It is.

00:02:16.120 I mean, it's going to be new, exciting.

00:02:18.360 We're going to see things that never have happened really before.

00:02:20.740 I can't wait to see how all of them turn out.

00:02:22.900 Yes, me too.

00:02:23.360 It's going to be incredible to watch.

00:02:24.960 An interesting journey, Glenn.

00:02:26.500 And I don't think we're going to have to wait long.

00:02:28.600 No.

00:02:29.280 You know, I think, you know, sometimes when we've been saying that, we're like, you know, five, ten years.

00:02:33.380 I think we're, you know, days, weeks, months before we can see how this all turns out, which is great.

00:02:41.000 We know we're going to live through it so we can see it.

00:02:44.240 Well, we don't know that, of course.

00:02:46.100 Wow.

00:02:47.040 You may not be able to see it because you'll be in prison.

00:02:49.840 Anyway, so let's start with what's happening in New Hampshire.

00:02:57.320 There is a new Trafalgar poll out.

00:02:59.680 Yep.

00:03:00.220 And it doesn't look good for Nikki Haley.

00:03:02.660 No.

00:03:03.300 In fact, I would say my impression of this race is one that is moving quickly away from Haley having any impact in it.

00:03:13.960 You know, if we would have talked about this about a month ago, maybe three weeks ago, right after Chris Christie drops out, there's a real chance of Nikki Haley kind of keeping this close.

00:03:21.840 There's some polling that shows it in single digits.

00:03:25.040 You know, Christie dropping out, most of his voters likely go to her.

00:03:30.280 Like all six of them.

00:03:31.160 Well, he had 12% in New Hampshire.

00:03:34.700 It was the one state he was competitive.

00:03:36.560 So there was an argument to be made that this was a, I mean, it was always a leaning Trump race, but it was close to a toss up there a few weeks ago.

00:03:42.560 So what has happened since the Iowa results have come in is it has consolidated, I would say, around Trump and the polling has moved as well.

00:03:51.020 I mean, it was even even the polls that showed Trump with lead were showing him with a, you know, 13, 15 point lead in that range.

00:03:58.060 A slew of polls came out today.

00:04:01.060 All of them had Trump up 20 points or more.

00:04:04.080 So this one does seem like it is moving towards Trump.

00:04:07.380 I would not be surprised at all to see this to be real blowout territory.

00:04:10.400 23 in the Trump, in the Trafalgar poll.

00:04:13.780 Insider Advantage has it at 27 with Trump at 62% of the vote.

00:04:19.620 JL Partners Daily Mail has it at 20 points.

00:04:22.200 The Boston Globe, Suffolk University, which they're doing a tracking poll, kind of updating it by the day.

00:04:26.620 22 points.

00:04:28.360 The previous poll had him up 19.

00:04:30.320 It seems to be moving in the direction of Donald Trump, showing a real blowout.

00:04:35.280 And at that point, you'd look at this and say, well, probably this is completely over.

00:04:40.260 Because in South Carolina, I mean, it's pretty much of a career killer.

00:04:46.240 I mean, even Walter Mondale won his state.

00:04:49.900 It was the only one.

00:04:51.260 But he at least won his state against Ronald Reagan.

00:04:54.320 That was bad.

00:04:55.200 But if she loses her own state, that's not good.

00:04:59.480 That's not good.

00:05:00.080 Now, we saw this with Marco Rubio in 2016, right?

00:05:03.100 Lost Florida.

00:05:04.060 And that was the end of his campaign.

00:05:06.100 Now, in a weird way, DeSantis is Florida and Trump was Florida.

00:05:10.740 So he kind of has multiple home states, which is one of the nice features of being a billionaire.

00:05:17.000 You can kind of be from anywhere.

00:05:18.360 Yeah.

00:05:18.660 I live in all 50 states.

00:05:20.480 Trump is not from South Carolina, quite clearly.

00:05:23.080 And he already has a major lead there.

00:05:25.280 Now, she has an impact. 0.98

00:05:26.540 And there's an argument for her to say, why not stick around?

00:05:30.380 She doesn't have, I would argue, the future of DeSantis and the party.

00:05:34.400 Or DeSantis has a real incentive to get out of the way, endorse Trump, fall in line.

00:05:40.000 He's got a future.

00:05:40.900 He's, you know...

00:05:42.280 He has a bright future.

00:05:44.160 He has a bright future.

00:05:44.700 It is, once they indicted Donald Trump, once that happened, he became the underdog.

00:05:56.080 He became Braveheart.

00:05:58.260 Okay?

00:05:58.500 Yeah.

00:05:58.760 And he became a symbol.

00:06:01.220 And you can't really beat a symbol.

00:06:03.500 You can't beat a symbol.

00:06:04.140 Right.

00:06:04.540 So I think that's true.

00:06:05.820 You know, it was interesting to watch as Trump has kind of done this tour.

00:06:09.300 He's talked about DeSantis a little bit.

00:06:11.180 And, you know, of course, as is the way with Trump, you know, he's very aggressive against

00:06:15.680 you when you're running against him.

00:06:17.400 And the second you endorse him, he's very, very nice to you.

00:06:20.040 But when he made the statement in a couple places, you know, I'm retiring the DeSanctimonious 0.76

00:06:25.700 name, the reaction from the crowd was cheering.

00:06:30.460 Yeah.

00:06:30.920 Like, the crowd does not hate DeSantis.

00:06:32.760 No, they don't.

00:06:33.480 They actually really like him.

00:06:34.360 He's still plus 40, 40 when it comes to favorability in the Republican Party.

00:06:40.200 This is not a guy who destroyed himself in this race, despite what you're going to read

00:06:43.340 online.

00:06:45.100 But I don't know.

00:06:46.300 He don't do, honestly, he didn't do.

00:06:48.600 And this is not why I think she destroyed herself.

00:06:52.660 But she didn't.

00:06:54.200 He didn't do what Nikki Haley did.

00:06:56.440 And that is come right after Donald Trump, be Chris Christie.

00:07:01.460 And I don't think she's done that.

00:07:03.360 I don't know.

00:07:04.060 She's not been Chris Christie.

00:07:05.800 No, she hasn't been Chris Christie.

00:07:07.260 But she took some pages out of Chris Christie's notebook.

00:07:10.200 The reason why she is out of, it's not going to work, is she's out of step with the new

00:07:18.660 Republican feeling, which is honestly, I mean, the left and the Democrats, I don't see any

00:07:28.260 movement there except to the harder left.

00:07:31.200 And that's not where Democrats live. 0.68

00:07:33.220 I don't think.

00:07:33.960 The average Democrat in the middle of the country.

00:07:36.080 That's not what they are for and live for.

00:07:38.420 We have actually become much more, when it comes to wars and things, much more like the

00:07:47.160 Democratic Party used to be.

00:07:49.500 We're suspicious of the machine.

00:07:52.000 We're suspicious of the industrial complex, military industrial complex.

00:07:58.220 We're suspicious of the government, what we're doing overseas.

00:08:03.620 We're becoming what the Democrats, we've moved.

00:08:07.560 I don't want to sign up for that description of what we've become.

00:08:11.440 No, no.

00:08:11.940 I mean, if you were a Democrat, that's the way you would view us on war.

00:08:19.300 That's not where I am.

00:08:20.320 I'm still for, look, you come and poke us in the eye and give us a bloody nose, we're 0.99

00:08:26.580 going to take you out. 0.83

00:08:27.720 But we're not going to get involved, and I don't want to rebuild everything or anything.

00:08:32.300 I'm just going to say, no.

00:08:36.100 And we do that a few times and then just leave.

00:08:38.780 We're going to teach people the lesson, don't punch us in the face. 0.72

00:08:43.340 Punch each other in the face.

00:08:44.920 Well, I'm going to have an opinion, maybe, on that, but I'm not going to get involved. 0.69

00:08:49.040 Right, and I think that is, you're right, out of step with the energy of the party.

00:08:53.140 And that's why I'd ask you, Glenn, while I think DeSantis quite clearly has a future,

00:08:58.020 might not be the president of the United States in 2028.

00:09:01.340 It might be, though.

00:09:02.540 48 is waiting.

00:09:04.960 It could be.

00:09:05.740 It could be that.

00:09:06.540 But it's some obviously prominent role.

00:09:08.960 He has not done what Chris Christie has done, and no one would ever want him.

00:09:15.240 And Nikki Haley, I think, falls closer to the Chris Christie vibe than the DeSantis vibe

00:09:20.060 coming out of this, right?

00:09:21.280 Where it feels like if she doesn't win here or do something here, her future in the party

00:09:28.780 probably is there.

00:09:30.320 She probably will have some prominent position. 0.99

00:09:33.360 There's a lot of money in one side of the Republican Party that is not the Donald Trump

00:09:38.240 side.

00:09:38.500 So it's not to say she has no future, but I don't think she's looking at herself as

00:09:42.040 the 2028 candidate, per se.

00:09:44.520 So saying all that makes me think that her best piece of strategy is probably to stick 0.97

00:09:51.440 around and pocket delegates over the long term and hope that Donald Trump runs into some

00:09:58.200 major legal problem that changes the dynamic of the race in some way.

00:10:03.420 That's a dark way of looking at the future.

00:10:05.400 But what's the upside for her to just drop out and go away?

00:10:08.760 I don't know that there is one, especially with South Carolina next.

00:10:11.920 But yeah, you could run a bare bone.

00:10:14.480 I mean, Ryan Binkley's still in the race.

00:10:16.220 I doubt he has tons and tons and he has personal wealth, but it does not have tons and tons of

00:10:20.240 donors coming in.

00:10:21.320 Nikki Haley could run a bare bones campaign doing interviews on MSNBC for the next six months 1.00

00:10:25.300 and probably not.

00:10:27.660 Yeah.

00:10:28.220 She's already on the balance.

00:10:29.120 Well, Belger is saying that, you know, there was a concerted effort to get Democrats to

00:10:33.460 go out and vote for Nikki Haley and to get the independents who usually vote Democrat to

00:10:40.240 come out for Nikki Haley.

00:10:41.880 And now it's that seems to be falling apart.

00:10:44.840 And people are just going to if they do go, they're going to write in Joe Biden.

00:10:49.140 Yeah, it's funny because the Democrats once again are making Trump's road easier.

00:10:55.120 You can think of that what you will, but they the vast majority of voters in New Hampshire

00:11:00.680 are independents.

00:11:01.860 It's not like other states, because the way that that the registration goes for this primary

00:11:08.240 is if you're a Democrat, you cannot come today and register as a Republican and vote in the

00:11:13.780 primary.

00:11:14.560 If you're an independent, you can do that.

00:11:16.800 So most people just stay independent and pick the primary that they want to go into, just

00:11:20.740 do, you know, figuring out whatever they feel like at the time, the long story on why the

00:11:26.060 Democratic Party did this.

00:11:27.980 Mr. President Democracy himself, who just cares so much about democracy, wound up losing

00:11:33.040 Iowa, New Hampshire last time and then just deleted them off the calendar this time.

00:11:36.760 That's the show of democracy from Joe Biden and the Democratic Party.

00:11:41.700 But they have a law there that they have to have the first primary. 0.98

00:11:45.680 So they're holding it.

00:11:46.780 It's a non-binding primary.

00:11:48.280 They're not getting their delegates.

00:11:49.200 However, it's become a big deal because other candidates filed there.

00:11:53.760 And last minute, everyone's coming in on the Biden side and saying, maybe this would look

00:11:57.640 bad for us if we don't win.

00:12:01.620 Joe's the president of the United States.

00:12:02.980 If Dean Phillips wins this primary, this is going to look bad.

00:12:06.300 So they've dumped money in through super PACs to try to get people to write in Joe Biden,

00:12:10.660 which is now taking those independent Democratic leading voters that may have crossed for Nikki

00:12:14.960 Haley over to the Biden side to try to get Biden to have a showing there so he doesn't

00:12:20.180 embarrass himself. 0.99

00:12:21.320 This is so pathetic. 1.00

00:12:22.900 It's so crazy. 1.00

00:12:24.240 But it does.

00:12:24.900 I think this is something that is legitimately going to hurt Haley's chances tonight because

00:12:29.380 the people who just want to come out and hurt Trump are being told by their people, no,

00:12:35.140 go right in Joe Biden instead.

00:12:37.540 So I don't know.

00:12:38.800 I think that's part of the dynamic that's happening here.

00:12:41.040 But I do expect Trump to win and win probably handily tonight.

00:12:45.220 Yeah, I think so, too.

00:12:45.980 I think the Democratic part of this is sort of fascinating in that, you know, this idea

00:12:52.040 that they had to just eliminate these these states.

00:12:54.860 I haven't heard really anyone talk about this.

00:12:57.540 This is the guy.

00:12:58.640 This is the party that is pitching to you that all they do is care about democracy.

00:13:04.180 Wherever the chips may fall, your vote matters.

00:13:07.740 And this is the party that eliminated the two states that the lead candidate lost. 0.53

00:13:14.460 And because because, oh, they're too white. 0.94

00:13:17.800 Yeah. 0.99

00:13:18.100 What's crazy is unreal.

00:13:19.800 They talk about disenfranchising voters and how the Republicans are disenfranchised.

00:13:25.360 They don't want to count every vote.

00:13:26.820 They will disenfranchise two states, two states, two entire states, traditional leaders in this

00:13:32.920 process.

00:13:33.420 Again, I don't like this process.

00:13:34.480 I can't stand it.

00:13:36.120 I don't understand why we do it this way.

00:13:38.140 But OK, you want to change it up.

00:13:40.100 So they've now changed it to the state.

00:13:41.600 You know, the one that just happened to rescue Joe Biden's campaign.

00:13:44.980 You know, Joe, as soon as he wins.

00:13:46.580 I mean, they talk about Trump doing this stuff.

00:13:49.020 Right.

00:13:49.340 And they act as if he's Mr. Anti-Democracy.

00:13:52.340 Look at what they're doing.

00:13:53.780 These poor people in New Hampshire are doing a Democratic primary because they are required

00:13:58.580 to by state law.

00:14:00.640 And then they're just not going to give them any delegates for it.

00:14:02.900 Because Joe Biden didn't like that he lost last time.

00:14:07.820 He was angry that he lost Iowa.

00:14:10.060 He lost New Hampshire.

00:14:11.820 South Carolina let him win.

00:14:13.580 Therefore, they get rewarded with the first primary.

00:14:16.620 Does anybody notice that every time they accuse somebody of doing something, that's what they're

00:14:24.340 doing?

00:14:24.940 Has anybody noticed that?

00:14:27.300 Does seem to happen over and over and over again.

00:14:30.360 Gosh, it's crazy.

00:14:32.680 Every single time.

00:14:36.140 You know, Donald Trump, if he gets elected, he's going to try to put his opponents in jail.

00:14:43.280 What?

00:14:44.700 That's what you're doing.

00:14:46.860 That is what you're doing now.

00:14:49.360 Currently, everyone knows you're doing it.

00:14:52.320 We all watch the news.

00:14:53.880 We all know that you're trying to take your opponent off the ballot.

00:14:57.620 And like, what form of democracy is that?

00:15:01.660 What form of democracy has one name on the ballot?

00:15:06.080 What form of democracy?

00:15:07.740 It's the Saddam Hussein style democracy. 0.92

00:15:10.640 What democracy claims someone is an insurrectionist when he's not ever, not just been tried and

00:15:23.460 found guilty, not been tried, not even charged with that.

00:15:28.420 Not even charged in the impeachment for it.

00:15:31.660 And all of a sudden, they just claim he is an insurrectionist without any legal anything. 0.97

00:15:38.480 And they did it from day one, too, which is pathetic. 0.90

00:15:41.040 They knew they could have charged him with insurrection. 0.96

00:15:43.440 They didn't because they knew they would never win it.

00:15:45.560 And then they just started saying it on television over and over again, hoping that they could

00:15:49.740 use that later as the evidence to get him tossed off the ballot.

00:15:52.260 No, I just keep coming back to, you know, who the real villain here is, is us, us, us,

00:15:58.340 us, us, us, us, us, the people who are just dead asleep and are like, ah, nothing's going

00:16:05.060 on.

00:16:05.440 It's just, you know, it's a same old, same old.

00:16:07.660 No, it's not.

00:16:09.160 No, it's not.

00:16:11.640 No, it's not.

00:16:14.360 No joke.

00:16:15.920 No joke.

00:16:16.680 I'm not joking, folks.

00:16:18.040 Senator Mike Lee, because I will lead and not follow, I believe and not doubt, I will

00:16:33.960 create, not destroy, because I'm a force for good, I'm a force for God, I'm a leader, and

00:16:40.180 we can define, defy the odds.

00:16:43.000 I need your help today in understanding the news and where we go from here, because if

00:16:50.960 it's, if it's not this, it will be something because we're facing constitutional crisis

00:16:56.940 after constitutional crisis.

00:16:59.380 And, uh, I'm, I'm not sure how to react, but I know there's a lot of people saying this

00:17:07.760 is out of line, we should ignore the Supreme Court, but that makes us them.

00:17:13.800 But what else are you going to do?

00:17:16.260 First, let's go over what the Supreme Court decided yesterday, Mike.

00:17:21.080 Okay, so yesterday the Supreme Court issued an order, not an opinion, just a very brief

00:17:26.200 order, undoing an order that was released by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit

00:17:33.380 on December 19th.

00:17:35.640 Now, remember the courts of appeals are, are, um, are numbered throughout the country.

00:17:40.340 The Fifth Circuit includes the state of Texas, uh, and, uh, the Fifth Circuit on December 19th

00:17:48.720 had issued an order in joining the, uh, Biden administration from taking down barriers put in place

00:17:58.840 by, uh, the state of Texas.

00:18:03.020 See, the state of Texas, um, wanting to make sure that, um, they restore some semblance of the rule of law

00:18:12.760 in their state, decided to put up these barriers along the border, say, we don't want to do this.

00:18:18.620 The Biden administration started taking actions indicating its plans to take down the concertina wire

00:18:25.480 and, uh, the other barriers.

00:18:27.740 So Texas, uh, brought suit against the Department of Homeland Security and others in the Biden

00:18:33.560 administration and said, we want an injunction telling them, telling the Biden administration

00:18:40.520 that may not take down these barriers.

00:18:42.600 The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals on December 19th, uh, issued such an injunction.

00:18:47.300 And immediately, the Biden administration went to the Supreme Court and filed an emergency

00:18:54.000 application to vacate that injunction.

00:18:56.740 In other words, to, to undo it.

00:18:59.400 And the operative portion of the order from yesterday is just found in a sentence.

00:19:06.020 It's inclusive of a total of four sentences, but this one is, is, is the operative language.

00:19:10.840 The December 19th, 2023 order of the U.S.

00:19:14.320 Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit is vacated.

00:19:17.700 That's it.

00:19:18.620 Then there's a separate line that says, Justice Thomas, Justice Alito, Justice Gorsuch,

00:19:22.220 and Justice Kavanaugh would deny the application to vacate conjunction.

00:19:26.500 So with that, the Supreme Court of the United States just undid this.

00:19:31.000 And what this tells us then is that it was Chief Justice Roberts, along with Justice Kagan,

00:19:35.620 Justice Sotomayor, and Justice Jackson, who were in the majority on this.

00:19:40.900 And that is all we know about their rationale.

00:19:43.460 All we know about what happened.

00:19:45.480 So all of a sudden, Texas, having won this round of litigation, the previous round of

00:19:52.760 litigation in the Court of Appeals, is now sort of back to square one, being told, you

00:19:57.920 lose.

00:19:58.920 And yet we don't have the analysis as to why or what this means, and everything is in a

00:20:03.960 state of disorder.

00:20:04.620 So, first of all, can you explain Barrett's joining the other side?

00:20:12.900 I mean, any guess to what she was thinking?

00:20:17.520 Yeah.

00:20:17.640 Okay, so all I can do is guess.

00:20:20.540 All I can do is offer conjecture, because there's no analysis.

00:20:25.000 If I were to guess, I...

00:20:26.920 Hang on, just a sec, before you go on, is that unusual that there was no analysis?

00:20:31.900 It's not unusual, given the procedural posture in which they find themselves.

00:20:35.800 In other words, this side of the Court's docket, the emergency applications docket,

00:20:40.880 is itself something that the justices have to do as they're doing their other ordinary

00:20:47.720 business, as they're writing opinions in other cases.

00:20:50.700 And because of the nature of it, it's a yes or no, up or down thing most of the time.

00:20:57.100 So that part's not surprising.

00:20:58.720 But it is surprising, given the nature of this dispute and the complexity of and urgency of

00:21:03.480 this, that we would have this.

00:21:05.280 It's at least difficult to figure out what to do.

00:21:09.180 So if I had to guess as to what her analysis might have been, and that of Chief Justice

00:21:14.000 Roberts, it would be that they reached some kind of conclusion that, you know, we don't

00:21:19.220 want the courts to be weaponized.

00:21:23.340 We don't want to be perceived, certainly as justices, as playing only on the team of the

00:21:29.960 political party, of the presidents who appointed us.

00:21:33.420 And therefore, I, we, speaking, you know, either as Justice Roberts or Justice Barrett or both

00:21:45.320 of them, we're going to decide to side with the Democrats on this one so that we don't

00:21:52.700 over-politicize this.

00:21:53.880 But I really find that difficult to grasp that they would do it in that circumstance.

00:21:59.700 Um, and yet I don't see a good reason.

00:22:03.820 I don't see an explanation that makes a lot of sense.

00:22:07.620 It goes much beyond that.

00:22:09.880 Um, because I, I don't understand why it's a bad thing to have the state of Texas trying

00:22:14.880 to protect the people of Texas from these swarms of people who are pouring across their borders 1.00

00:22:21.040 without documentation and destroying property along the way, converting property as if it

00:22:27.000 were their own and destroying it as they, uh, as they cross in illegally.

00:22:32.460 I, I don't understand what the compelling need is or what principle of law would be violated

00:22:37.640 by the state of Texas trying to protect the people of Texas.

00:22:40.720 Let me ask you something.

00:22:41.580 Um, the constitution says that it is the, the federal government's job to protect the

00:22:46.740 borders.

00:22:47.440 Um, but they're not doing their job, obviously.

00:22:50.740 Uh, in fact, they're enabling those, um, people trying to come in and they are enabling,

00:22:56.600 uh, drug cartels, drugs coming over, killing our citizens, criminals coming over.

00:23:02.820 We know terrorists have come over now. 1.00

00:23:05.340 Uh, they're enabling those who rape and sell into sex slavery. 0.99

00:23:10.360 I mean, it's, it's bad stuff. 0.95

00:23:12.000 It's not even close.

00:23:13.320 And what the justices are saying is Texas, you don't have the right to protect your own

00:23:19.220 borders.

00:23:20.040 That's our job.

00:23:21.540 Um, let me, let me ask you if a military came over there, let's say these 10 million people

00:23:27.340 all had military uniforms.

00:23:30.200 Um, but you know, only a few of them had guns and it, it was clear.

00:23:34.800 This was an invasion by an army and the federal government decided to say, nah, well, they,

00:23:41.760 they can keep crossing in.

00:23:43.980 Would they have the right to say to Texas or anybody else, you don't have the right to

00:23:51.340 have a militia or, uh, you know, call up your national guard and, and push these people

00:23:59.160 back is, is the constitution a suicide pack?

00:24:03.480 Certainly not.

00:24:05.600 And, and specifically in that kind of circumstance, it wouldn't be.

00:24:10.460 There are two separate provisions of the constitution that tell us this.

00:24:14.140 One is found in article four, section four, which says that the United States, uh, shall

00:24:20.240 guarantee to every state, a Republican form of government and on application of a state,

00:24:25.100 uh, uh, uh, typically the legislature, uh, uh, shall protect each of them from invasion.

00:24:31.980 So that's an affirmative obligation by the United States to protect each state from invasion.

00:24:38.560 Now, there's also a, uh, something that defends in the constitution, a separate right of the

00:24:45.780 state to stand up for itself upon being invaded.

00:24:48.920 And that's found in, in article one, section 10, clause three, which, um, is a provision

00:24:55.580 that tells the States a bunch of stuff that they can't do on their own without the consent

00:25:01.080 of Congress, but then contains a carve out, uh, for circumstances in which a state is actually

00:25:07.660 invaded.

00:25:08.200 Yeah, but the only difference in one scenario in war, the only, the only differences in these

00:25:14.300 two scenarios is 10 million people are coming over, uh, not in uniform, but that's it.

00:25:22.740 I mean, it's an invasion.

00:25:25.520 That's right.

00:25:26.320 And it's no less of an invasion simply because they're not organized formally as a military

00:25:32.400 or we don't think of them.

00:25:34.420 They, they, they were not a military, but it's an invasion nonetheless, uh, throughout

00:25:39.740 history.

00:25:40.220 There have been instances of invasions of, uh, many countries around the world.

00:25:46.480 Uh, uh, some are armed organized invasions, others are not, but it's an invasion nonetheless.

00:25:52.160 They are being invaded by people who don't belong there and people who, uh, threaten to subvert 1.00

00:25:58.960 the order of things and the rule of law as they enter.

00:26:03.140 So the fact that there is an invasion and the fact that the state of Texas feels the need

00:26:10.220 to protect its own citizens from this puts Texas, in my view, in a very solid position.

00:26:16.680 Now, I assume that for the four justices who dissented, that is for justices, Thomas,

00:26:25.000 Alito, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch, that that was their rationale.

00:26:29.780 Now, we're all still grasping to understand what the rationale of the majority was other

00:26:35.820 than, as you say, probably reasoned, well, immigration is the thing that is done by the

00:26:42.620 federal government and it's not done by the state of Texas, therefore case closed.

00:26:47.460 But that doesn't answer the question.

00:26:50.460 Well, it doesn't answer the, the article one, section 10 or the article four, section four

00:26:54.900 question that we just discussed.

00:26:56.940 And as a practical matter, it leaves the state of Texas in an untenable position.

00:27:02.920 Okay.

00:27:03.440 So now, Mike, I, I, I, I, we have to have a serious adult conversations and we have to

00:27:12.040 start modeling these conversations and having these conversations and, uh, and have them

00:27:19.180 as rational, reasonable citizens of a Republic and, uh, as adults.

00:27:25.180 And if you, as a listener can't handle that, then you should go away.

00:27:31.460 Um, because I think some questions need to be asked and if not now, very soon on whatever

00:27:39.260 the next topic might be, you know, Mike, um, there was a guy named Martin Luther King.

00:27:45.620 I know, you know, uh, and he, he taught people how to resist peacefully and, uh, nobody's teaching

00:27:54.760 that nobody's pushing for that.

00:27:56.100 Ah, pastors are all out to lunch.

00:27:58.420 Um, but there are people now who are saying, uh, we need to go.

00:28:03.840 In fact, could you read Tucker Carlson's tweet, uh, from yesterday?

00:28:08.640 I don't have that handy, but I can look for it.

00:28:11.140 Basically he says, where are the men of Texas standing up?

00:28:15.320 Well, the men of Texas standing up, um, I, I don't know exactly what that means, Tucker.

00:28:21.580 Um, because many of us are standing up and we're speaking out.

00:28:24.760 At what point, um, do people, uh, are people justified at all to say, yeah, it makes me

00:28:34.800 kind of like them, but we got to stop this.

00:28:40.100 So in other words, defying the Supreme court and just doing it anyway.

00:28:47.660 I don't like that.

00:28:49.980 Now, uh, look, uh, the rule of law is important to us.

00:28:54.720 That's the whole reason why Texas is trying to take this action to begin with is to preserve

00:28:59.720 the rule of law.

00:29:00.560 And for that reason, uh, everything, uh, possible needs to be done, uh, to comply with the rule

00:29:08.280 of law, even if it means going along with a, a court order, uh, that one doesn't like and

00:29:14.560 finding other ways, uh, to be persuaded to get it done.

00:29:17.840 But keep in mind something, Glenn, um, the, the Supreme court's order from yesterday does

00:29:23.240 not order the state of Texas to do anything.

00:29:26.480 As I read it, all it says is that they vacate the fifth circuits order from the 19th of December,

00:29:35.020 which had itself enjoined, uh, the Biden administration from taking down the barricades.

00:29:41.880 So there there's nothing affirmatively that the state of Texas has to do in order to comply

00:29:47.000 with this, uh, order from the Supreme court.

00:29:50.100 It just lifts the legal impediment from the Biden administration that had previously told

00:29:55.340 them, don't take down the barricades. 0.99

00:29:57.780 Right.

00:29:58.160 So one interesting question is what exactly is the Biden administration going to do now?

00:30:03.260 Is the Biden administration really seriously with a straight face?

00:30:08.120 Are they going to say, yes, cut the wires?

00:30:10.980 Yes.

00:30:11.320 Remove all the concertina wire.

00:30:13.340 Yes.

00:30:13.680 And, um, and do all that, uh, Glenn, remember something we, we have seen in the last month

00:30:21.140 more people pouring across our border unlawfully than has ever been observed in our nearly two

00:30:30.060 and a half centuries of existence as a nation and our border patrol agents and everybody else

00:30:37.140 who works with them on this, they're all overwhelmed.

00:30:39.500 I've been down to the border just in the last few weeks alone.

00:30:41.820 And I lived down, uh, on the border in the McCown area as a missionary for two years and

00:30:46.160 know this area well, but they're really going to say, this is where we want our, our efforts

00:30:52.520 focus to be going in there, removing barricades whose sole purpose is to protect the people

00:30:57.980 of the state of Texas.

00:30:59.060 And frankly, even the people who are being human trafficked along, uh, the border, aren't

00:31:05.000 they really going to say that's where we want them?

00:31:06.660 Yeah.

00:31:06.860 Bring up the wire cutters, stop processing everything else, everything else you're doing.

00:31:11.340 They've already done that, Mike.

00:31:13.100 They've already done that.

00:31:15.000 They were cutting the wires in Texas.

00:31:17.740 I mean, what makes you think they won't do that?

00:31:21.300 What?

00:31:22.040 They were cutting them.

00:31:23.100 They had to stop for three weeks.

00:31:24.400 But in the meantime, Texas put down a whole lot more wire and they've got more wire now.

00:31:30.420 I mean, it, this really would be a massive undertaking.

00:31:33.420 And if after, uh, after the month of December, 2023, just last month, are they really going

00:31:41.500 to go back in and undertake that huge effort again?

00:31:45.180 If so, this raises all kinds of other questions.

00:31:47.440 And if so, I think this could end up being the very best thing, the single greatest momentum,

00:31:55.080 uh, uh, producing exercise for the Donald Trump campaign, because this is the president

00:32:00.900 of the United States who loves lawlessness.

00:32:03.420 If this is truly what he wants to do.

00:32:05.200 And we've got to make that point loud and clear.

00:32:06.720 So it's, it's, it's one of those shows where I, I, I've kind of given up, you know, and it's

00:32:27.480 like, eh, whatever.

00:32:29.920 Uh, and those, uh, those, uh, are always fun.

00:32:33.520 Yeah.

00:32:33.840 Oh yeah.

00:32:34.500 I know.

00:32:35.000 I know I'm having fun, Glenn.

00:32:36.740 Yeah.

00:32:37.060 I know you are.

00:32:37.860 I know you are.

00:32:38.580 Well, it started as a very difficult day today, you know?

00:32:42.080 Yeah.

00:32:42.460 I would say, would you say Glenn, the country's a bit on edge?

00:32:46.220 I think it is.

00:32:47.500 I think that's safe to say.

00:32:49.360 Yeah.

00:32:49.900 Yeah.

00:32:50.100 That's how, that's what I detect.

00:32:51.260 I detect the country as a whole, just a tad on the edge.

00:32:56.220 Maybe just, you know, they're okay.

00:32:59.660 I mean, let's just say, you know, if, if, if the United States was an apartment building,

00:33:06.700 uh, about 80% of its citizens would be on the ledge looking down at the traffic right

00:33:14.140 now.

00:33:14.440 Yeah.

00:33:14.660 Right.

00:33:15.220 And there's longingly, right.

00:33:16.840 Longingly at the Hyundai Sonata riding below them.

00:33:20.120 Right.

00:33:20.340 And there's not really anybody down there with a bullhorn, uh, that's saying anything, but

00:33:26.340 I don't know, give it a whirl.

00:33:28.420 Might be better.

00:33:32.440 Just don't block traffic.

00:33:33.820 If you can't land on the sidewalk.

00:33:35.260 Yeah.

00:33:35.700 So, uh, no, it does seem that way.

00:33:38.080 And I think it's, it's interesting.

00:33:39.340 I mean, I think this is a, for the conservative, uh, audience, probably a good day.

00:33:45.920 Generally.

00:33:46.420 Right.

00:33:46.560 Right.

00:33:46.700 Like I think, Oh, I think it's a good day.

00:33:48.460 The overwhelming, uh, favorability for Donald Trump and the Republican voting populace is

00:33:53.820 I think well reflected here and probably will be reflected tonight.

00:33:57.820 You never know.

00:33:58.720 I mean, there are some reports on the ground from New Hampshire.

00:34:01.320 Oh, actually everyone's showing up and it's going to be, we hear this every single election.

00:34:05.600 I don't expect anything out of the ordinary today.

00:34:09.780 And I am, it is interesting to think about the, this process as a whole though, which is

00:34:15.260 weird, right?

00:34:16.100 Like the fact that we go to Iowa and then New Hampshire and then like, it's just over.

00:34:23.040 Like I, no one in Texas certainly is voting in this primary in, in a way that it will

00:34:29.200 likely matter.

00:34:30.800 Um, you know, everyone, you know, and, and that's just the state I'm in every 48 other

00:34:35.200 states are saying, yeah, like we didn't really get a voice here.

00:34:37.620 It's a weird thing.

00:34:38.560 I, I, I actually believe this.

00:34:41.300 I don't think we should do it like this anymore.

00:34:43.880 I, I, I'm with you on that.

00:34:45.580 Are you?

00:34:45.760 Cause I, I don't know if I'm in the majority or not on this one, but like, I honestly

00:34:48.920 think the contest we're talking about, okay, is a national contest.

00:34:55.020 The fact that you can't figure out how to win a national contest for the primary is a

00:35:01.500 problem.

00:35:02.220 Like we can all act like winning Iowa by itself is really important or New Hampshire is really

00:35:07.240 important and impressive.

00:35:08.080 And it is, but it's a different ball game, right?

00:35:11.180 The rules are different.

00:35:12.580 The things you do are different.

00:35:13.860 But here's the problem with that.

00:35:15.000 Um, first of all, you are not a dictator and you can't make all the states do it the

00:35:19.540 way you want to do.

00:35:20.400 I, if I can be like Joe Biden, I can do that.

00:35:22.540 Well, okay.

00:35:23.080 Yes.

00:35:23.720 Um, but the, the other thing is, is it will keep people out that don't have massive war

00:35:31.660 chests.

00:35:32.700 You know, I don't know about that though.

00:35:35.020 Let me, let me push back against that a little bit.

00:35:37.260 Number one, it's really, really hard to buy a national primary or let's call it a regional

00:35:43.500 primary.

00:35:43.880 Maybe you do, you break it into four regions and do four different days, but like, it would

00:35:47.760 be hard to buy that because it's too expensive for everyone.

00:35:50.640 It's no longer difficult to buy one of these early states because there's so much money flowing

00:35:57.180 into them.

00:35:57.720 So now you kind of do in a way, push out smaller candidates.

00:36:01.300 I know there's, you know, you get to go to all the counties and all that stuff and there's

00:36:05.160 something to that, but like, you're not going to do that in the general election.

00:36:10.560 It's a different skill set that's important and can be important in certain states.

00:36:15.500 But I would argue Glenn, you know, with social media, the way it is now with access to media,

00:36:23.880 the way it is now, it's not the same as 1954.

00:36:27.660 Yeah.

00:36:27.960 I agree with you, but I mean, you know, let me play the devil's advocate here.

00:36:32.260 I mean, I'd feel bad for Iowa.

00:36:35.640 I mean, who would go to Iowa then?

00:36:37.480 Every four years, people show up and they're like, hey, you know what?

00:36:40.820 I'm going to...

00:36:41.260 Every hotel sold out.

00:36:42.480 I'm going to spend some money.

00:36:44.140 Yes.

00:36:44.660 No, I know.

00:36:45.400 That's true.

00:36:46.000 And it would not be as...

00:36:47.260 I mean, some people would go, but you're right.

00:36:51.480 Just like...

00:36:52.120 Again, I'd like to remind, this is one of those shows where...

00:36:55.260 We just don't care.

00:36:55.820 You're offending everybody.

00:36:56.740 We got it.

00:36:57.260 We've given up.

00:36:57.580 Yeah.

00:36:57.760 We've given up.

00:36:58.480 But like, I think with the access to social media, more than ever, you have an opportunity

00:37:03.360 to spread your message at low cost.

00:37:05.760 And honestly, like this process...

00:37:07.720 I mean, especially...

00:37:07.880 Is this process getting us the bootstrapped candidate like, I don't know, Mitt Romney?

00:37:13.540 The bootstrapped candidate like Donald Trump, a multi-billionaire?

00:37:17.760 Okay.

00:37:18.000 What?

00:37:18.560 So you're making good points here.

00:37:19.940 Because the guy who got hundreds of millions of dollars from China is now the president of the

00:37:24.320 United States?

00:37:24.720 You at least have a chance to see the candidates and meet the candidates, and they have a chance

00:37:30.300 to meet and see and hear you.

00:37:32.200 But I'm not in Iowa.

00:37:33.580 I'm not in New Hampshire.

00:37:34.760 I've met them all.

00:37:36.180 I've heard tons about them.

00:37:38.140 Okay.

00:37:38.440 Right?

00:37:38.760 Yeah.

00:37:39.000 I'm not saying I've actually physically met them.

00:37:41.860 But like, you know, they were talking...

00:37:43.000 I was listening to some interview today, and they're like, yeah, you know, Joe Biden didn't

00:37:46.660 come here for the primary, but you know, he's been running since 1972.

00:37:50.640 So we...

00:37:51.220 You know, all of my relatives have met him six and seven times.

00:37:54.800 All right.

00:37:55.320 Like, I guess that's one way to win.

00:37:58.280 But it's not reality.

00:37:59.760 You're not talking...

00:38:01.760 These candidates aren't going to meet the everyday voters six or seven times in New Mexico or

00:38:07.100 North Carolina, which are also important states.

00:38:09.760 I'm just saying that...

00:38:11.020 Maybe you can put together the same type of organization that can win a general election

00:38:15.460 to win a primary.

00:38:16.580 And using the internet is a great idea, especially now that we have no misinformation and the

00:38:21.200 government is just going to make sure that all voices are heard that, you know, need to

00:38:25.280 be heard.

00:38:25.660 It's true.

00:38:26.160 I mean, like, I understand that, but I don't think that...

00:38:29.280 That is just as applicable during a general election campaign.

00:38:32.940 This is the thing I hate about some certain sports, where...

00:38:36.820 Baseball is my ultimate example of this, is where you have to go through...

00:38:39.660 I just hate America's past time.

00:38:40.780 I'm just going to hit this real quick, and I know Glenn's not going to understand it,

00:38:43.320 but for you, the audience, you go through the entire year needing five starters, right,

00:38:48.220 to get through 162 games.

00:38:49.580 Then, you get into a playoff series, and it's a three-game series, and you only need three

00:38:54.260 starters.

00:38:55.080 It's like a totally different build of your team to get through this.

00:38:59.700 Now, this might sound a little bit like someone whose team has lost multiple short series

00:39:04.580 in a row, so I would just throw that out the window for a second.

00:39:07.080 No, I don't.

00:39:07.440 But my point is, like, the person who can perform well in a national or at least regional primary

00:39:14.240 is likely the candidate that will perform well in a general election where they're doing

00:39:19.020 the same thing, not a totally different thing that they're doing in one small state, where

00:39:24.240 they don't need any money, and they don't need to raise the money, and they can go door

00:39:27.180 to door and meet Bob and Karen and everyone else who's going to be at the voting booth.

00:39:31.480 I just don't know the most efficient thing, and I'd like to have a voice in it, too.

00:39:34.520 Right.

00:39:35.000 But the voice of California, which nobody's ever going to California, I mean, they'd be 0.96

00:39:41.360 stabbed to death.

00:39:42.320 Not enough Secret Service for people to go campaign in California, but that's a different

00:39:46.300 story.

00:39:47.040 But let's just use California.

00:39:48.900 California is an example.

00:39:50.000 There's nobody weirder than the people in California right on the coast, right?

00:39:55.000 Okay. 0.98

00:39:55.280 I mean, you have to, I mean, a candidate should be exposed to them so they can go, holy crap,

00:40:01.580 we've got to do something about those people out in California, okay? 0.52

00:40:05.120 And the only ones that are probably more weird are the ones in Hawaii.

00:40:09.880 So there's a good reason to take a star off a flag, maybe even two.

00:40:13.080 A president won't know that unless he goes out and actually sees for himself, because he'd

00:40:18.280 be like, you know, the Golden State.

00:40:19.580 It's nice.

00:40:20.200 I've seen it on TV.

00:40:21.340 Baywatch was great.

00:40:23.340 You know.

00:40:23.860 Oh, it was.

00:40:25.540 You know, I think it would, I will say this, if you had this possibility, you'd have different,

00:40:31.300 interesting different things pop up.

00:40:32.940 For example, what we have in Iowa, people go there, they talk about ethanol and farm

00:40:37.160 policy.

00:40:37.640 Yes.

00:40:37.840 We get all these updates.

00:40:38.840 Like, what about like pooper scooper policy in California?

00:40:43.020 Yeah.

00:40:43.240 How do you get the poop off the streets?

00:40:44.760 You got to have the president.

00:40:46.140 That's a job only the president can do.

00:40:49.160 Right.

00:40:49.480 That's true.

00:40:50.140 It's got to be a nationalized issue.

00:40:51.460 But wouldn't it be fun instead of seeing people go to the Iowa State Fair, they're just

00:40:54.840 going, we're walking around the streets of LA just with a pooper scooper in a plastic

00:40:58.420 bag and just picking up human feces. 0.52

00:41:00.820 Oh, I would like that.

00:41:01.820 That would be, that's the type of door-to-door retail campaigning I want.

00:41:05.320 If we turn this whole thing around and we look at candidates that have already won and

00:41:11.220 we go back into the booth and say, which candidate should have to now spend his whole time just

00:41:17.000 picking up the poop on the streets in California?

00:41:19.900 I mean, I'd show up at the polls.

00:41:21.600 Right.

00:41:22.100 I think a lot of people would show, you know, I think there'd be a higher turnout for that

00:41:26.020 one.

00:41:26.400 I'd watch where I stepped when I walked toward the polls.

00:41:29.260 But yes, I'd show up.

00:41:31.040 I'd show up to see that happen.

00:41:32.900 Yeah.

00:41:33.080 See, I feel like this would be an interesting change to consider.

00:41:37.460 Like, if you had a northeast, west, south, four days, over four weeks in a month, where

00:41:43.280 it's not, you know, like, it's nice to have a little bit of the winnowing process, I think.

00:41:47.560 But like, prove that you can do something before you have to do it in a bigger venue, right?

00:41:55.900 Do the thing you're supposed, don't do a totally different thing and show I can win in a couple

00:42:00.540 of the small states, do, like, Super Tuesday is a good example of that.

00:42:05.000 If you can win, if you can do really well on Super Tuesday, you're showing something that's

00:42:08.840 similar to what you're going to need to accomplish in November.

00:42:12.160 Winning in Iowa is not similar to what you're going to do in November.

00:42:16.340 I'm sorry.

00:42:16.740 It's a totally different thing.

00:42:17.640 Well, little Jimmy Muck and Fudge, who was just running to be president because he was

00:42:23.460 trying to raise enough money for children without eyelids, doesn't get a chance because

00:42:29.000 Jimmy doesn't have enough money for even a regional campaign.

00:42:33.060 Oh, my gosh.

00:42:33.700 Okay.

00:42:34.560 And Jimmy was running for office?

00:42:36.580 He was running for office.

00:42:37.480 He wanted to run for office.

00:42:38.060 He wanted to run for office.

00:42:39.120 But I've just taken him out of the process.

00:42:40.580 You took him out.

00:42:41.480 And now all those people that were born without eyelids, they're not going to have any eyelids.

00:42:46.380 I mean.

00:42:46.860 Now dry their eyes are going to be.

00:42:48.880 They're going to be very dry.

00:42:50.020 Very dry.

00:42:50.600 And they may have to have your eye surgery.

00:42:52.260 Yeah.

00:42:52.500 Well, no, they would, you know, maybe I could give him some of my eyelids because I apparently

00:42:57.120 have too much.

00:42:57.980 Too much eyelid.

00:42:58.720 Yeah.

00:42:59.020 That's a big.

00:42:59.520 Or lazy eyelid.

00:43:00.540 I don't know what it is.

00:43:01.860 Whatever it is.

00:43:02.560 I would like, if you happen to be someone in America who doesn't happen to live in Iowa

00:43:10.300 or New Hampshire, would like to have some opinion as to what happens in this race.

00:43:14.940 How about we rotate?

00:43:17.060 So, like, every time there's three new states, you never know.

00:43:21.540 I mean, I think that's better than what we do now.

00:43:25.040 I think there's a thing where, like, the structures are so well built in these states.

00:43:29.780 You know, everyone knows how to do it.

00:43:31.200 And then, like, there's a game plan that, that's why I think it keeps happening.

00:43:35.200 So you want, let's say, we just say, hey, let's just roll the dice.

00:43:39.120 And the first three primaries are Oregon, Washington State, and California.

00:43:43.840 I don't think rolling the dice would be a good way of doing it.

00:43:45.780 I think you'd try to capture some element of what the party would look like or what the

00:43:50.620 electorate would look like.

00:43:51.360 Yeah, okay.

00:43:51.860 So rolling the dice might be a little bit difficult.

00:43:54.180 Yeah, because I wouldn't want California, Oregon, and Washington.

00:43:58.280 I wouldn't want any of them separately deciding who the president was going to be.

00:44:01.900 But why?

00:44:02.920 Just have a primary day.

00:44:06.760 We all just know when it's coming.

00:44:08.280 It's, I don't know, March 1st.

00:44:10.140 And everyone goes on March 1st.

00:44:11.720 And you just go and you vote wherever you are, just like the actual election.

00:44:16.440 And people cast their votes for their candidates.

00:44:18.180 You get a couple months to lead up.

00:44:19.020 What about those poor veterans that lost their legs and can't make it?

00:44:21.540 You want to just take the, you just want to take the vote away?

00:44:23.920 Oh, we're going to mail them, like, 42 ballots each.

00:44:25.940 They can just fill them out for it.

00:44:27.040 Okay, good.

00:44:27.560 All right.

00:44:27.980 We got that.

00:44:28.440 Yeah, of course.

00:44:29.120 I was just wanting to make sure.

00:44:30.660 Na, na, na, na.

The Glenn Beck Program - January 23, 2024

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