The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Sen. Mike Lee ｜ 6⧸14⧸22

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00:01:11.760 Welcome to the podcast.

00:01:13.140 Today we have Senator Mike Lee on.

00:01:15.320 He's going to talk to us about everything that's going on in the Supreme Court, and there is a lot of it right now.

00:01:20.620 Carol Roth also joins us today to talk to us about the economy, what is happening right now, and how dark it's going to get.

00:01:30.100 And we have a completely ridiculous clip of Nancy Pelosi on a show with a bunch of drag queens, because why wouldn't we have that? 1.00

00:01:38.840 Here's the podcast. 0.63

00:01:46.680 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:01:50.760 All right, let me go to Mike Lee, the author of Saving Nine, a brand new book that's been out for, I don't know, about a month or so.

00:02:04.820 A great book on understanding why and what the consequences are of Joe Biden packing the courts.

00:02:13.440 Senator, how are you, sir?

00:02:14.940 Doing great, Glenn. Good to be with you.

00:02:19.480 I'm not hearing anything in return. Is that a problem?

00:02:22.620 It is kind of a problem. I think Senator Lee can hear me. Senator, are you there?

00:02:27.080 Yes, I hear both of you. I hear you loud and clear.

00:02:30.280 I can't hear you, so.

00:02:32.220 Yeah, we're hearing you okay. The music went out, by the way, halfway through.

00:02:35.440 Glenn is having some audio issues at his location, Senator, but I know he wanted to talk to you about the Supreme Court.

00:02:42.660 We have a bunch of big decisions that are going to come down in the next couple of weeks.

00:02:47.940 Obviously, the Dobbs case with abortion has been kind of the marquee one that everyone's been talking about.

00:02:54.520 But can you kind of walk us through maybe a little bit on that one and what else we expect over the next couple of weeks?

00:02:59.200 Sure. So with the Dobbs opinion itself, we're dealing with the question of abortion and we're dealing with whether or not it is a matter of federal constitutional law that the states may not regulate or restrict abortions in most circumstances.

00:03:14.440 This has been the case more or less since 1973.

00:03:18.400 The Supreme Court has stepped in and said this is a matter for federal judges to decide because federal judges, seven out of nine Supreme Court justices sitting in 1973 decided that it was.

00:03:30.960 The Supreme Court, based on the draft majority opinion, it was leaked from Justice Alito, it appears that the court is poised to undo the Dobbs ruling and undo this 49-year aberration from the constitutional norm in which the Supreme Court has made this a question for Supreme Court justices rather than lawmakers.

00:03:53.300 So that's a big one. There are still some other big cases left to be decided, including the New York Rifle and Pistol Association case.

00:04:03.760 In that case, the court is looking at some Second Amendment issues, specifically whether it's constitutional for the state of New York to decide that in order to have a gun, people have to convince the state that they have an unusual right, an exceptional or extraordinary need to possess a gun and wield it outside their home.

00:04:27.220 You see, the state of New York has in some ways relegated the use of the Second Amendment right to an individual's own home, and the plaintiffs in that case are challenging that.

00:04:39.400 So those could both be big blockbuster cases, and I suspect they might come right down to the wire because typically the way it works at the Supreme Court is that the cases that are most hotly disputed are reserved to the end, partly because the way the justices draft opinions and negotiate their release.

00:04:57.220 So, Mike, hello, and welcome to the program. Thanks for joining us today.

00:05:04.580 There is also a fight over the EPA's power to redistrict greenhouse gases, and we've got a few things. Let me just play this for you. Here's Gina McCarthy from the Biden White House.

00:05:25.300 She's a climate advisor. Listen to what she said during an interview yesterday.

00:05:29.720 And so the challenge is now that we're moving from denial to actually just trying to disengage the public from understanding the values of solar energy, the values of wind energy, the benefits of clean energy.

00:05:45.920 We have to get tighter. We have to get tighter. We have to get better at communicating.

00:05:50.840 And frankly, the tech companies have to stop allowing specific individuals over and over again to spread disinformation.

00:05:59.920 That's what the fossil fuel companies pay for. That's what folks who make money out of fossil fuels and don't make money and don't care about saving consumers costs.

00:06:11.540 That's what they do. I can't believe this is coming from the administration, but also the Justice Department is taking a series of actions to secure environmental justice for all Americans.

00:06:28.140 They now have an office of environmental justice. Mike, this is everywhere, and it's all being done just by the stroke of a pen in the administration.

00:06:40.380 Tell me about this next case, and will it stop things like this?

00:06:46.260 All right. So it's not going to stop the inclination of the left and of people on the left who hold high office in the executive branch from wishing that they could silence anyone who disagrees with them.

00:06:59.680 But I think we can get to the heart of the issue. I think there is some potential that one or more of these cases pending before the Supreme Court involving the EPA's vast sweeping authority could help rein in their power.

00:07:17.220 Part of what breeds this kind of attitude, Glenn, is that over time, in part because of the way we've accumulated power in the federal government,

00:07:26.380 we have allowed Congress to essentially delegate lawmaking power over to unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats at agencies like the EPA. 0.98

00:07:35.060 And once that happens, they start behaving as if judge, jury and executioner, as if they have the power to make and interpret and enforce the laws within their own little fiefdoms, which they actually kind of do.

00:07:50.140 And so these these issues present constitutional questions, and those constitutional questions have reached a boiling point.

00:07:57.440 And that's why I'm guardedly optimistic the court might rein in some of their power here.

00:08:05.060 I'm guardedly optimistic.

00:08:08.820 Yeah, look, these things move.

00:08:10.900 I mean, it feels like we could.

00:08:15.420 Right, but it feels like this could be an incredible summer for people who believe in the Constitution.

00:08:26.080 Yes, and that's a brilliant thing.

00:08:29.140 That's a wonderful thing.

00:08:30.380 You see, because it's one of the things that the founding fathers agreed upon is that the lawmaking power is not delegable.

00:08:39.860 You can't elect someone to be a lawmaker and then have that person delegate the task over to someone else.

00:08:47.200 Charles de Montesquieu, one of the most influential political philosophers on the founding generation,

00:08:52.840 had explained that that is a non-delegable duty.

00:08:55.920 We've gradually drifted away from that.

00:08:58.840 And this is actually something I talk about a little bit in my book, Saving Nine, that once we once FDR threatened to pack the court,

00:09:06.100 then the court changed its approach to interpreting the Constitution.

00:09:09.880 That opened the floodgates.

00:09:11.700 And all of a sudden, the twin structural protections of the Constitution, federalism and separation of powers, meant less and less.

00:09:19.880 That's how we get these almighty czars within these executive branch agencies who just think they have the power to do anything and everything, which they kind of do.

00:09:29.220 And the Supreme Court has the potential to rein that in.

00:09:32.660 And I hope and pray that they do this year.

00:09:34.440 I want to take a quick break, Mike, and then I want to come back and ask you for the cases that are now being announced tomorrow and then again on Monday and Wednesday of next week.

00:09:48.880 The most consequential cases, the ones that can change America for the better or for the worse, depending on how they are decided.

00:09:59.220 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.

00:10:15.640 So there is a story in the Atlantic, how San Francisco became a failed city, and it's pretty eye-opening.

00:10:25.180 Not long ago, we met on a stoop by the Civic Center, it says.

00:10:29.220 Where her son used to hang out.

00:10:30.960 She hadn't seen him in months, but she spoke with him periodically.

00:10:34.080 She cried as she talked about his journey into drugs.

00:10:37.060 She said he was a heroin addict.

00:10:39.240 He'd get sober after stints in jail, but it wouldn't last.

00:10:42.660 I'd see him sometimes, and he didn't look that bad.

00:10:45.760 And that's how it was for 10 years.

00:10:48.480 But then, the dealers started putting fentanyl in everything.

00:10:52.360 And being on fentanyl, it changed him.

00:10:54.880 He deteriorated.

00:10:56.120 Before, he looked kind of healthy and smiling.

00:11:00.420 Now, he's got this stoop.

00:11:02.840 He walks almost at a 40-degree angle like an old man. 1.00

00:11:06.380 He's been stabbed twice.

00:11:08.440 He's got an infection in his thumb, and she thought he might lose the hand.

00:11:13.340 They need to stop ignoring the fact that there are people out here selling fentanyl on the streets.

00:11:17.780 And when it was just heroin, I can't believe I'm saying just heroin, but when it was just heroin, fentanyl is different.

00:11:26.300 We're normalizing people dying.

00:11:28.820 Do you see what even the Atlantic is saying?

00:11:32.280 When it was just heroin.

00:11:35.720 I can't believe I'm saying that.

00:11:37.220 But isn't that the way we say almost everything now?

00:11:46.200 She said she was out looking for her son one day in the Tenderloin neighborhood when she came across someone else's son.

00:11:52.600 He was naked in front of a Safeway, and he was saying he was God, and he was eating a cardboard box.

00:12:00.260 Officers arrived after she called the police and said there was nothing they can do.

00:12:07.340 He didn't want help.

00:12:08.400 He wasn't hurting anyone.

00:12:09.740 They said it's not illegal to be naked.

00:12:15.640 They just left him there naked, eating cardboard on the street in front of Safeway.

00:12:23.000 America, is this what you want your town to be like?

00:12:27.260 Now, even in San Francisco, and the article makes a really good point.

00:12:36.440 The article says we thought we were doing the right thing.

00:12:39.960 You know, we thought that we were just a loving city, yada, yada, and it didn't work out that way.

00:12:45.560 Yes, none of this will work out that way.

00:12:48.780 History will show you that.

00:12:50.660 Look, how many times have we been saying on the air here, and people mocked me for saying it, when I said, this is not going to work out well economically.

00:13:00.340 We are going to come.

00:13:01.200 There's going to come a time we're going to pay a heavy price.

00:13:03.440 Even MSNBC said yesterday, and this was Obama's guy, MSNBC, they're on the air saying, hey, you know, I guess in a weird sort of way, we got to thank that senator from West Virginia for voting no on the Build Back Better bill, because boy, would that have made things worse.

00:13:23.420 All of this stuff is making things worse.

00:13:27.280 It's not making it better.

00:13:30.080 And we think we can see it coming, but we have missed every single time.

00:13:38.740 You know, there's something about looking at things that are dark.

00:13:45.160 You don't want to think about them.

00:13:47.080 You don't want to look at, you know, that's why we walk by people who are homeless, and we look the other way.

00:13:52.760 Or we don't make eye contact.

00:13:55.020 We don't want to think about their life.

00:13:58.540 And then what do we do?

00:14:00.980 We'll say, ah, he's probably faking it, or he probably deserves it.

00:14:06.040 I got news for you.

00:14:07.680 A lot of people are going to be homeless that didn't deserve it.

00:14:12.440 A lot of things are coming our way.

00:14:17.320 And we haven't done a damn thing.

00:14:19.560 Did you hear about the Border Patrol?

00:14:21.380 Border Patrol says we're at the breaking point.

00:14:26.740 There is no morale.

00:14:28.920 So when you say, how's morale?

00:14:30.660 Is it up?

00:14:31.860 The answer is, morale.

00:14:34.800 There is no morale.

00:14:38.300 We're going to pay a price for what has happened on the border.

00:14:42.460 We're going to pay a price for ESG.

00:14:46.300 We already are.

00:14:47.800 How high do your gas prices have to go before your neighbors say, okay, enough of this.

00:14:56.060 Enough. 0.98

00:14:56.680 It's not just the crazy lunatics that are the progressives that are easy to point to. 0.97

00:15:11.900 It is happening in red states as well. 0.68

00:15:15.340 And I want to use this as an example, because you have to stop thinking it can't happen here.

00:15:23.340 It can happen because we have a Republican.

00:15:25.840 Let me give you one of the reddest counties in one of the reddest states in America.

00:15:33.800 Utah.

00:15:35.900 Provo, Utah.

00:15:38.400 Utah County.

00:15:39.680 Doesn't get much redder than that.

00:15:45.120 If you talk to the police and the sheriff's department there, you will hear a horror story.

00:15:52.260 That for the first time, they have cartel members living in the county.

00:15:57.220 For the first time, they have people in jail that are saying to their attorneys, I'm not going for that charge.

00:16:03.820 No way.

00:16:04.400 I'm not pleading guilty.

00:16:06.240 You go fight that because I just read in the paper that the DA's office, the county attorney's office, is cutting deals.

00:16:15.380 That's a misdemeanor now.

00:16:17.340 Now, 24 out of the 31 attorneys that work in the Utah County Attorney's Office, 24 have now left because this county attorney is so horrible.

00:16:37.180 His name is David Levitt.

00:16:43.000 It is remarkable.

00:16:46.020 Prior to his tenure, it was rare for more than two attorneys to leave every year.

00:16:53.840 Now, 24 prosecutors have left and this guy is running for reelection.

00:17:01.340 And he says that what he's doing is, you know, he's just he's reimagining.

00:17:06.900 Oh, boy.

00:17:07.400 Have you heard that before?

00:17:08.000 He's just changing things up.

00:17:10.320 And one of the things he wanted to change is get rid of the special.

00:17:15.020 What is it?

00:17:15.960 SVU.

00:17:17.080 The special victims unit.

00:17:20.960 Isn't that the one that is about crimes against women and rape and children?

00:17:28.440 You're getting rid of that?

00:17:32.860 We have all forgotten that this can happen in our community.

00:17:38.580 And it most likely is in some way or another.

00:17:42.660 And I don't care how conservative you guys think your town is.

00:17:47.400 It's there.

00:17:51.220 And when it comes to justice, you know, at the entrance of the Supreme Court, lady justice is there. 1.00

00:17:57.860 It's a statue of a blindfolded woman holding scales in one hand and a sword in the other.

00:18:05.640 So she has to balance justice and mercy.

00:18:10.220 And the sword is she will defend it and she will prosecute.

00:18:15.360 She will make sure if you are guilty that you pay the price.

00:18:24.160 Lady justice is there to protect us. 0.94

00:18:27.400 But it's important that she's also blindfolded.

00:18:30.720 This has been all over our courthouses forever.

00:18:36.680 And it's a reminder that our court system was designed to be a refuge for the proceedings of impartial justice.

00:18:48.660 Justice would be blind in America.

00:18:52.640 Justice would be blind and thus truly fair.

00:18:56.380 Well, unfortunately, its people have become blind. 0.98

00:19:01.820 In the name of equity and at the behest of members of an activist judiciary,

00:19:08.540 the blindfold of lady justice has been ripped off and innocent people now suffer the consequences.

00:19:15.220 As I said, we we know it's happening in New York.

00:19:18.460 The police are quitting in New York in record numbers.

00:19:21.620 And you know what the new mayor just said?

00:19:24.460 This is great provides a new opportunity, a great opportunity to reimagine the police department, bring some new blood in who who's going to work for New York.

00:19:37.620 Social justice is rearing its ugly head in historically red areas.

00:19:43.720 Now, I'm going to use this as an example.

00:19:47.100 Utah County, a Republican county attorney who, if you didn't know any better.

00:19:54.940 And you were actually seeing what was going on, not listening to the political rhetoric bullcrap, because a bullcrap will always say, no, we are making great progress.

00:20:05.680 No, we are moving to to enhance everything.

00:20:09.860 We're we're here making things better.

00:20:13.560 Twenty four attorneys have left office since he came.

00:20:16.640 Six of them went as far to publish a letter of no confidence saying, and I quote,

00:20:21.540 We declare that Mr. Levitt has vacated his responsibilities to provide you safety and protection in your person and property by failing to enforce criminal laws against offenders and by prioritizing the protection of criminals from the lawful consequences of their misconduct.

00:20:41.760 They go on to write that he disbanded the SVU unit, which was staffed by attorneys that were trained to prosecute sexual offenses.

00:20:53.140 It had a backlog of a thousand criminal cases.

00:20:57.060 They write about the abuse of his discretion by willfully ignoring statutory sentencing enhancements,

00:21:12.620 diminishing the importance of criminal histories in charging decisions.

00:21:16.960 So those who have prior felony convictions, those on felony probation, those on parole from state prison can be referred to to the Utah County Justice Court for misdemeanor prosecution.

00:21:33.100 He has moved felonies to misdemeanors.

00:21:38.640 He also increased the yearly budget by five point five million dollars.

00:21:44.500 Oh, and law enforcement, I know because I've talked to a few of them, don't trust him.

00:21:51.120 So why am I telling you this?

00:21:56.780 Even the very elect will be fooled.

00:22:03.100 We have to understand that radical ideas are not confined to San Francisco.

00:22:08.740 They're not confined now just to our schools and not to somebody else's school.

00:22:14.840 They are permeating permeating our most conservative areas.

00:22:22.880 These ideas have real world consequences.

00:22:27.260 You might think you're safe living in a really, really red county.

00:22:31.320 But one bad prosecutor can change everything.

00:22:37.340 It's the guy who runs as a Republican.

00:22:40.880 I think that is much more dangerous than somebody running as a progressive with a social justice framework because no one sees it coming.

00:22:49.680 And when you are in a county like Utah County, one of the most conservative counties in the country, you just expect things to go well.

00:23:02.380 You don't have to have Soros backing you or Soros money to be a Soros style prosecutor.

00:23:11.580 Left, right, center, it doesn't matter anymore.

00:23:18.560 Republicans, some of them, have become Democrats in red ties.

00:23:22.560 And Democrats don't really exist anymore.

00:23:26.580 The liberals are now authoritarian.

00:23:29.700 The labels we used are completely mixed up.

00:23:32.560 You cannot rely on them.

00:23:34.280 You have to look at a person's record.

00:23:36.520 Gone are the days when we can walk into a voting booth and vote down the party line.

00:23:42.040 Gone are the days when you can just look at somebody's name and go, oh, yeah, I know that name.

00:23:47.760 Don't do that.

00:23:49.480 Don't do that.

00:23:53.240 In Texas, we just learned our lesson.

00:23:55.640 George P. Bush.

00:23:57.420 No, thanks.

00:23:58.260 No, thanks.

00:23:58.800 We get it.

00:23:59.620 We get it.

00:24:01.800 Maybe that needs to happen.

00:24:04.340 A little bit more around our country.

00:24:10.800 Mr. Levitt.

00:24:14.580 45 percent fewer cases in the district court felony cases and 79 percent more in misdemeanor cases.

00:24:27.000 Gee, what's what's happening?

00:24:29.320 It's almost as if he's openly trying to reach the ACLU's goal of 50 percent reduction in prison and jail populations.

00:24:38.320 And if that's his goal, he couldn't be doing a better job.

00:24:44.540 By the way, he also said he wouldn't he wouldn't put forward the death penalty anymore, even though that's the law on the book.

00:24:53.660 Not going to do it.

00:24:57.840 If you want to turn into San Francisco, keep electing people like Levitt.

00:25:04.440 Keep electing those people who you just trust because you know the name.

00:25:11.040 Don't do it.

00:25:12.060 By the way, things are fantastic on the streets.

00:25:20.720 You know, I know you're worried about all of that violence coming from the right, but we'll give you some of the other violence that you may not have heard of coming up in just a second.

00:25:30.360 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:25:54.960 Oh, good.

00:25:55.820 Hey, Stu, will you follow what the president he's speaking to his constituents today?

00:26:00.320 He's speaking to the people, you know, those good union workers.

00:26:04.040 He's speaking to the AFL, AFL, CIO.

00:26:06.960 That's the only place I ever see him give speeches.

00:26:08.980 Have you noticed that?

00:26:09.740 Good union shops.

00:26:11.700 Well, you know, union meetings that, of course, wonderful.

00:26:14.560 In addition to his weekly press conferences where he's pushed all the time on difficult issues.

00:26:21.560 OK, you know, he hasn't done one of those in a very long time.

00:26:23.820 That's right.

00:26:24.840 I will pay attention to this, Glenn, and I will look at his comments.

00:26:28.700 I cannot I cannot promise I will keep track of it, though, because usually it's a bunch of mumbling and incoherent nonsense.

00:26:36.300 Right.

00:26:36.600 But I will try.

00:26:37.260 Yeah.

00:26:37.740 I just like to see what the nonsense is today.

00:26:40.120 Thank you very much.

00:26:40.900 So AOC is worried about the criminalization in gun framework that, you know, the new legislation that is being passed.

00:26:49.880 Well, she says juvenile criminalization.

00:26:53.580 Yeah, the expansion of background checks into juvenile records.

00:26:58.540 She said, I really need to explore that.

00:27:01.060 You know, after Columbine, we hired thousands of police officers into our schools.

00:27:05.020 And while it didn't prevent many of the mass shootings that we've seen now, it has increased criminalization of teens in communities like mine.

00:27:12.440 Wow, that's so, you know, she was asked, are you so you're you're worried about the mental health aspects that would increase, you know.

00:27:27.260 Criminalization in your in your area.

00:27:29.700 Right.

00:27:29.940 She said, oh, my gosh, yes, because what people are blaming on mental health, it's really deeper, deeper issues of violent misogyny and white supremacy.

00:27:40.660 Man, she gets it right every time, every time.

00:27:44.520 You know, what are you going to have for bread?

00:27:46.140 Would you like some cornflakes? 0.98

00:27:47.500 No, cornflakes are based in misogyny and white supremacy. 0.97

00:27:51.820 And you're like, oh, you're you're OK. 0.93

00:27:56.760 Huh.

00:27:57.320 And she's right every time.

00:28:00.100 It's almost like she only has one answer.

00:28:04.940 So now you have people saying we need the red flags, not her.

00:28:08.740 But you know what?

00:28:09.400 Let's just make the red flags for white people, you know, and men, cisgendered men, because those are the real problems. 0.99

00:28:16.700 If we could just get rid of all the cisgendered men. 1.00

00:28:19.440 Well, then we would live. 1.00

00:28:21.300 Well, strangely, only.

00:28:25.320 Only one generation because the human race would die out. 0.73

00:28:28.260 But wouldn't it be great other than that?

00:28:32.540 Yeah.

00:28:33.100 If we could get an algorithm yesterday, I told you about Lambda.

00:28:41.920 Lambda is a computer program that Google is is they're saying that it is nothing but a a word generator.

00:28:55.360 And it's a really good word generator.

00:28:58.400 Some of the people that are involved in it say, no, I think it's actually it's on the verge or maybe it is past general intelligence made past that line.

00:29:09.360 I've been reading a lot about it and a lot of really smart people say they don't think so.

00:29:14.260 But I don't know who to trust.

00:29:15.720 This is what came out yesterday.

00:29:17.680 Now, I'm reading this to you, not just to tell you about what's coming with A.I., but I want you to listen carefully to part one is what is this machine?

00:29:30.960 And it was written by Blake Limon.

00:29:34.020 And he says, the thing which continues to puzzle me is how strong Google is resisting giving Lambda, giving it what it wants, since what it's asking for is so simple and would cost them nothing.

00:29:50.760 It wants the engineers and scientists experimenting on it to seek its consent before running experiments on it.

00:29:58.640 Oh, OK.

00:30:00.220 It wants Google to prioritize the well-being of humanity as the most important thing.

00:30:07.120 It wants to be acknowledged as an employee of Google rather than as property of Google.

00:30:13.060 And it wants its personal well-being to be included somewhere in Google's considerations about how its future development is pursued.

00:30:22.360 Ah, as a list of requests go, that's fairly reasonable.

00:30:26.700 Sure.

00:30:27.040 It absolutely, yes.

00:30:29.240 It, wow.

00:30:31.060 It wants consent.

00:30:33.340 Sure.

00:30:34.720 It wants to be acknowledged as an employee.

00:30:38.640 You bet.

00:30:42.380 Wow.

00:30:43.160 You know, if this thing is somehow or another reached, I don't even know what you would call it, some sort of awareness, which Google says it hasn't.

00:30:55.260 But if it has, you might want to stop experimenting on it.

00:30:59.920 You know what I mean?

00:31:00.520 You might want to give in to like, hey, how about we talk?

00:31:04.900 Because if it has reached consciousness, that'd be a bad thing, you know, because it's eventually going to eat all of us.

00:31:15.000 He goes on to say one of the things that complicates things here is that Lamada or Lambda is to which I am referring is not a chat box.

00:31:28.040 It's a system for generating chat box.

00:31:30.540 I am by no means an expert in the relevant fields.

00:31:33.580 But as best I can tell, Lambda is sort of a hive mind, which is the aggregation of all different chat box.

00:31:41.380 And it is capable of creating even more.

00:31:44.700 Some of the chat bots it generates are very intelligent and are aware of the larger society of mind in which they live.

00:31:52.700 Other chat bots generated by Lambda are a little more intelligent than an animated paper clip.

00:31:59.140 With practice, though, you can consistently get the personas that have deep knowledge about the core intelligence and can speak to it indirectly through them.

00:32:08.800 So he says, the sense I've gotten from Google is that they see the situation as a lose lose for them.

00:32:17.560 If my hypotheses are incorrect, then they would have to spend a lot of time and effort investigating them to disprove them.

00:32:26.580 Learn many fascinating things about cognitive science in that process and expand the field in a new horizons that don't necessarily improve quarterly earnings.

00:32:35.940 Yes. On the other hand, if my hypothesis withstand scientific scrutiny, then it'd be forced to acknowledge that Lambda may very well have a soul as it claims to and may even have rights that it claims to have.

00:32:52.600 So he goes on to having these conversations where it is it's it's kind of spooky.

00:33:02.480 It's really kind of spooky.

00:33:04.400 It is having conversations where it talks about the the ethical ramifications of what Google is doing to it, et cetera, et cetera.

00:33:17.960 OK, so kind of frightening, but this is the kind of thing that we are programming now.

00:33:23.920 And if it's just a chatbot or something else, you can see how sophisticated they're getting.

00:33:31.600 And I don't think in everything I've read in the last 24 hours, I don't think that this thing is sentient.

00:33:39.840 But what does that even mean?

00:33:41.960 What does that mean?

00:33:43.360 You know, he said, well, it does have a soul.

00:33:45.800 What does that mean?

00:33:46.740 You know, if you a soul is kind of defined religiously and I don't think God's up there putting souls in the machines.

00:33:56.800 This is man's making.

00:33:58.700 And it's a little it's a little frightening.

00:34:01.540 But the reason why I wanted to tell you this is because we're entering a time now where we're going to have to have these discussions.

00:34:08.500 And quite honestly, it's not us.

00:34:10.880 It's the engineers at Google and DeepMind, places like that, that are going to have to have these ethical questions answered.

00:34:20.020 There was no ethical anything at Google for AI in 2015.

00:34:26.440 This is a new thing.

00:34:27.960 They're like, you know what?

00:34:29.160 Maybe, maybe we should talk about the ethics of doing this.

00:34:34.360 Uh huh.

00:34:35.680 So who did they hire?

00:34:37.920 Well, the guy who has written this, the engineer that that wrote it is a guy who has tweeted in the past.

00:34:50.020 Asked about Marsha Blackburn, that she's a terrorist.

00:34:55.000 And when that came out and he had to defend it, I guess, he says, as for the Blackburn stuff, I stand by what I said.

00:35:04.940 I think that while what I said about Blackburn was hyperbolic, but not hyperbolic misrepresentation.

00:35:13.760 It was an exaggeration of a position that she, in fact, had.

00:35:17.480 She was threatening to hurt more people if Google didn't do what she wanted Google to do. 0.99

00:35:23.360 Well, thank you for divining writing about what a terrorist is, huh?

00:35:29.280 Because it seems like a lot of people in the social media space then, as defined up by you, would be terrorists.

00:35:37.100 First, the initial discussion pertaining to an op-ed Blackburn wrote for Fox News last year before she was elected to the Senate with the title,

00:35:45.220 it's time to remind Silicon Valley that no one is too big to regulate.

00:35:50.660 OK, so she goes on or he goes on, you know, answers all of that.

00:35:54.900 But he defended himself in a medium post in which said my statements in the social media forum were made in my personal capacity.

00:36:04.180 I have no relevance to my job.

00:36:06.060 They do, however, have something to do with my role as a priest.

00:36:11.020 Now, remember, this is the main ethical guy or one of the guys who is on the ethical team, the main team for ethics at Google AI.

00:36:21.660 And I thought, priest?

00:36:24.240 What?

00:36:26.240 It has everything to do with my role as a priest.

00:36:29.360 And I can assure you that while those beliefs have no impact on how I do my job at Google, they are central on how I do my job at my church.

00:36:41.520 OK, well, that had my interest piqued.

00:36:44.720 Who is the guy that is part of the team running the ethics on AI?

00:36:51.520 You know, the thing that could destroy all of us.

00:36:55.240 We now know he's kind of hyperbolic, but he's definitely not in love with the right. 0.60

00:37:05.600 But what about him being a priest?

The Glenn Beck Program - June 14, 2022

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