The Glenn Beck Program - November 21, 2019


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Glenn Beck is joined by Jason and Jason as they discuss the latest in the Russia/Podesta scandal and the latest on the impeachment hearings. They also discuss Rudy Giuliani's exclusive interview with CNN's Cheryl Atkinson and how she broke down what's happening on Capitol Hill.

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00:00:00.620 Holy great podcast, Batman. It's a great podcast today. I thought yesterday was the big show.
00:00:08.720 Today may be the big show. It may be a big show double whammy this week because we have Cheryl Atkinson on. 1.00
00:00:17.600 Rudy Giuliani is in an exclusive interview. Kind of takes down and breaks the whole thing up of what's happening on Capitol Hill.
00:00:29.180 I about lose my wig. Honestly, I my head almost exploded during the impeachment hearings.
00:00:37.240 You'll understand when you hear it all on today's podcast.
00:00:47.100 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:00:51.200 Oh, I cannot look at Adam Schiff anymore. I can't. I can't do it.
00:01:01.000 Uh, I look at him and I'm freaked out by his goo goo googly eyes.
00:01:06.160 Uh, and please, I'm just asking for the love of heaven.
00:01:11.760 Do not let him have children with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez because the child will look like Mike.
00:01:21.060 From Monsters, Inc.
00:01:23.540 So please don't let that happen.
00:01:26.080 It just be one eyeball that is just, oh, all right.
00:01:30.060 Uh, today, um, we are going to learn from the committee how Russia's the only one who was trying to affect us.
00:01:40.800 There's no way anybody could possibly do that in Ukraine.
00:01:45.460 They're all good. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:01:51.800 I thought the whole story was that they weren't, that everyone in Ukraine was incredibly corrupt.
00:01:56.220 Oh.
00:01:56.960 Well, no, but not about the election.
00:01:59.200 They're good. They're Boy Scouts on the election, even though two of them were sentenced to prison.
00:02:04.100 And do we have the tape? Could we just play the, I just want to, oh, here's, here's the director of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine,
00:02:15.660 which was set up by the Obama administration and the Soros people, uh, to root out corruption.
00:02:23.840 So their handpicked guy is Artem Stynik, uh, and, uh, how do I say it? What's his name?
00:02:32.300 Stynik? 0.92
00:02:32.940 Sitnik.
00:02:33.520 Sitnik. Okay, Sitnik, whatever.
00:02:35.880 Artem. His first name is Artem.
00:02:38.320 Do I care about his second name?
00:02:39.900 By the way, he's the director of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, started by us!
00:02:46.700 And, uh, what's he talking about here?
00:02:49.500 Uh, that he actually helped the Hillary Clinton campaign.
00:02:51.960 Oh, yeah, that's right. He's bragging about how he was working to, uh, to throw the Hillary Clinton campaign.
00:02:59.480 Now, if you don't think that that they had any reason, you think that was just bribery or whatever.
00:03:04.780 No, no, no. All of these people, because they are all George Soros people,
00:03:11.640 all these people felt that Donald Trump was just going to be the worst guy ever for Ukraine,
00:03:17.820 because he's too pro-Russia, uh, too pro-Russia.
00:03:20.440 So, their country, they believed, was at stake because he was just not going to do anything.
00:03:27.640 We're only getting blankets from the Obama administration.
00:03:30.720 We need bombs and weapons.
00:03:33.280 He'll never do that.
00:03:34.380 That's exactly what he did.
00:03:36.200 He went in and gave them the weapons that Obama wouldn't give them.
00:03:39.760 That's just how pro-Russia he is.
00:03:44.100 So, they were all motivated to make sure that Hillary Clinton, uh, was, uh, was the next president.
00:03:52.240 Here he is admitting it, the head of the Anti-Corruption Bureau, that he's the guy who, who did it.
00:03:59.920 And we're now going to be told by who?
00:04:03.280 Who? Uh, Dr. Hill?
00:04:06.600 Dr. Hill.
00:04:07.480 Okay, I insist that you call me Doctor as well.
00:04:12.660 Okay?
00:04:14.120 I'm Dr. Beck.
00:04:16.740 Uh, so, Dr. Hill is going to tell us how there is nothing going on in Ukraine today.
00:04:23.600 Jason, welcome to the program.
00:04:26.060 Thank you.
00:04:26.560 Jason is our head, uh, researcher, uh, and, and has been absolutely brilliant on putting this story together.
00:04:36.020 We have another, you know, I can't call them specials anymore because really every show that you're watching, because this is so fast and furious, every show you're watching, if you missed it last night, you missed Rudy Giuliani.
00:04:51.080 We're going to go through that phone call from him yesterday, uh, on the TV show.
00:04:56.220 It was jaw-dropping.
00:04:59.780 Now, of course, all the people who didn't listen to it just saw me doing it with Rudy Giuliani.
00:05:03.920 We're like, oh, it's just a conspiracy theory and you don't have any facts.
00:05:07.880 He's in, okay, whatever.
00:05:09.440 Anybody who is actually cares what the truth, anybody who says, yes, Dr. Franklin, Dr. Franklin, uh, I know we have a republic and I know what it takes to keep it.
00:05:21.140 I actually have to be well-informed and look at all of the evidence to keep a republic.
00:05:27.220 Uh, those people, they actually watch.
00:05:29.480 Tonight, you need to watch.
00:05:31.920 Tonight, what are we exposing?
00:05:33.140 Well, we have initially, we're just going to talk about George Kent because his name kept popping up.
00:05:38.420 He, uh, he testified last week.
00:05:40.000 The media coverage was absolutely ridiculous.
00:05:42.320 That's kind of what first put him on my, on my radar.
00:05:44.740 They were talking about the guy's bow tie in the New York times.
00:05:47.640 They wrote an entire column about the guy's bow tie.
00:05:50.480 They wrote an entire column about the guy's water bottle in the post.
00:05:53.880 I was like, what are they doing with this guy?
00:05:55.620 They're setting him up to be a star.
00:05:57.040 Why?
00:05:57.800 Well, they were making him out to be this ultimate debunker of all these, you know, lunas,
00:06:02.620 all this lunacy, all these conspiracy theories.
00:06:05.500 And the more we dug into him, the more this became less just, again, focusing on one single
00:06:10.900 thing in George Kent, but everything surrounding the man.
00:06:14.680 And then everything that was updated from our special last week.
00:06:19.420 It was moving rapidly.
00:06:20.340 Glenn, while you were on the stage.
00:06:22.200 I know.
00:06:22.800 Something was happening towards Soros' grand strategy while you were on stage.
00:06:27.100 And while I, I believe I either asked before we went on the special, or I asked off the
00:06:35.320 top of my head during the special, what is it that Soros is going to buy?
00:06:40.340 What is it that he's doing with this money?
00:06:42.660 He says, oh, I, I, the spooky dude's going to write big checks and I'll write checks in,
00:06:48.060 uh, in, in, uh, in Ukraine.
00:06:50.580 I prefer write checks to Czech Republic because I think it's funny, but I going to disrupt 1.00
00:06:56.940 here.
00:06:57.420 And he said, he's going to write checks and he's going to, he's going to buy into their
00:07:00.840 free market.
00:07:02.940 Are you going to expose this tonight or can I talk about this now?
00:07:05.960 No, we're going to expose this tonight.
00:07:07.060 Okay.
00:07:07.340 So this is, this is crazy.
00:07:10.780 It's crazy.
00:07:11.680 And all the documentation is there and people in Ukraine are standing up going, help us.
00:07:19.280 Yeah.
00:07:20.000 You've got to watch every single show that we do in the afternoons because don't think
00:07:24.580 of them how they were.
00:07:25.580 Every single show is like a special now because we are so deep into this.
00:07:29.520 We're following it real time.
00:07:30.660 The things that they hatched back in 2015.
00:07:32.580 If you watch the special last week, the, the parts of the plan are still happening by
00:07:36.980 a day by day, day by day.
00:07:39.500 I will tell you, I haven't even told you this yet.
00:07:42.920 I need you to shore this up with evidence, but I can tell you what the end game is of
00:07:50.000 the Democrats.
00:07:50.660 I asked, I asked this question on the air yesterday of myself.
00:07:56.120 What is the, what is the end game?
00:07:58.600 What are they going to do?
00:07:59.720 How are the Democrats going to use it?
00:08:01.860 I know it.
00:08:03.060 And I know Soros will have his fingers all over it.
00:08:07.880 And I need you to look into certain places and I'll tell you off the air, but I'm going
00:08:12.080 to tell you on the air today, what I think the end game is.
00:08:15.180 I'm going to tell you what the next year and the next 18 months, what's going to happen
00:08:19.300 with the Democrats and, uh, and Donald Trump, the election, all of it.
00:08:24.940 I will tell you exactly where we're headed.
00:08:27.820 Anyway, if you used to watch us on Fox and you were like, oh, this, that when the chalkboard
00:08:33.100 is out, it's the best when he's trying to break things down.
00:08:35.840 I'm telling you.
00:08:36.920 I'm doing the best work I've ever done in my career.
00:08:42.320 Uh, and we are spot on.
00:08:45.440 I know we've got them.
00:08:47.740 We've got them.
00:08:48.940 Uh, hang on just a sec.
00:08:50.140 Mike in Florida city, just watched the Ukrainian special.
00:08:53.300 Hi, Mike.
00:08:55.020 Hi, Glenn.
00:08:55.780 How are you?
00:08:56.260 I'm good.
00:08:56.720 How are you?
00:08:57.960 I'm very well.
00:08:59.460 Um, I, I watched that special and obviously it makes your head spin.
00:09:04.360 I mean, you, you did a great job of piecing it all together and I feel like I need to
00:09:09.100 watch it like five more times to really get a handle on what you said there.
00:09:13.020 But my question is, have you, since you put that out, have you been contacted by any politicians
00:09:18.960 to question the validity, validity of your information?
00:09:22.960 And are there any plans to get you to testify when the Republicans ever get the opportunity
00:09:28.560 to call anybody forward?
00:09:30.060 No, and I wouldn't, I wouldn't, you shouldn't call me.
00:09:33.380 I would be discredited immediately as a conspiracy theorist and everything else.
00:09:37.380 I would be a bad witness, a bad choice for the Republicans to call, but I can tell you
00:09:42.580 the names of people they should call that have actual firsthand knowledge of all of this
00:09:46.640 stuff.
00:09:47.360 Um, there have been two Republicans, uh, that have reached out to me and asked me for
00:09:53.900 information.
00:09:54.980 I sent them all the original documents.
00:09:57.900 Uh, and then I have not heard anything back.
00:10:00.760 I have, I have talked to friends on Capitol Hill and said, what the EFF is wrong with
00:10:08.960 you guys?
00:10:09.960 What is wrong with you?
00:10:11.080 And the story that I get back is Glenn, it's so complex.
00:10:17.140 It's going to look like a, a crazy, crazy conspiracy theory.
00:10:21.560 How do we go on television and lay this out?
00:10:24.620 And I learned something from Rudy Giuliani last night.
00:10:28.460 Did you happen to see last night's show, Mike?
00:10:30.500 I did not.
00:10:32.440 Okay.
00:10:32.980 Um, go to YouTube or if you're, are you a subscriber to the blaze?
00:10:37.120 Uh, I am not.
00:10:38.380 Oh my gosh.
00:10:38.900 What is wrong with you?
00:10:40.120 What?
00:10:40.400 I mean, seriously, what is, I mean, we're here pouring our heart out.
00:10:43.900 It's a, okay.
00:10:44.940 Look, Mike, don't hang up the phone after I'm done.
00:10:49.240 Producers get him set up for a year, uh, subscription to the blaze.
00:10:52.780 Um, I, I want you to watch last night's show.
00:10:56.180 You can see most of it on, um, on YouTube because we streamed it live on YouTube and
00:11:05.180 then I ran out of time for the 22 minutes.
00:11:07.700 And so we went extra, uh, and you can find all the extra on blaze, but it's only on the,
00:11:13.460 on the blaze, but watch, watch Rudy Giuliani.
00:11:16.640 One thing that everybody says about Rudy Giuliani lately is the guy's gone nuts.
00:11:20.960 The guy's gone nuts.
00:11:23.200 He's like flailing and yelling and screaming, right?
00:11:27.140 That's what everybody, that's what everybody says.
00:11:29.460 He's not Rudy Giuliani anymore.
00:11:31.320 What's happened to him?
00:11:32.940 I can tell you what's happened to him because the real Rudy Giuliani, the one I know from
00:11:39.080 the past, America's neighbor, uh, mayor, he showed up last night and I figured out what
00:11:45.960 happened to Rudy Giuliani.
00:11:47.820 I'll tell you about that in one minute.
00:11:51.740 All right.
00:11:52.780 Uh, so Stu, as you were watching this show unfold yesterday with Rudy Giuliani, did you
00:12:03.580 notice a difference in his demeanor?
00:12:07.660 Yeah.
00:12:08.500 He seems, he seemed very focused.
00:12:11.120 Right.
00:12:11.520 Right.
00:12:11.920 He wasn't scattered.
00:12:13.580 He wasn't.
00:12:14.080 Yeah.
00:12:14.500 Yeah.
00:12:14.580 It seemed like he knows the details of this very well.
00:12:17.720 Okay.
00:12:18.720 Now, if you have, if you have spent, uh, two years of your life and you're doing the detective
00:12:30.120 work, okay, and you're going in and you're get, you're gathering all of the information
00:12:36.140 and you're having to deal with dirt bags, liars, thieves, trying to figure out what's
00:12:42.740 true.
00:12:43.240 What's not.
00:12:44.020 You've put your whole life into it for a two year period, 18 month period, and you're getting
00:12:50.640 hammered and you knew you're going to get hammered, but you're a prosecutor.
00:12:55.040 You're one of the, you're the guy who put the Gambino crime family away. 1.00
00:12:59.680 So you've got credibility and you're like, okay, but if I get the evidence, they're going
00:13:06.440 to listen to it.
00:13:07.240 I'll be able to get it out.
00:13:08.500 And then no one listens to it.
00:13:12.800 Everyone calls you a kook.
00:13:15.180 Every, no one will look at the actual facts.
00:13:18.140 They'll talk about the hearsay of this person, but they won't look at actual paper documents
00:13:24.200 and court records that totally shift this narrative.
00:13:28.400 Okay.
00:13:29.940 And now you're on TV and you know, you have four minutes and the person is like, yeah,
00:13:35.920 yeah, yeah.
00:13:36.340 But why are you bringing out the whistleblower?
00:13:38.620 Why are you trying to do that?
00:13:39.980 Well, you know, you're in bed with all these really bad people.
00:13:42.540 And you're like, look, I am.
00:13:43.460 At some point you go nuts.
00:13:46.740 Yesterday, Ricky, who is the executive producer of the show, she came in afterwards and she
00:13:54.960 stood there and she looked at me and she shook her head and she said, I just witnessed, I
00:14:00.920 just witnessed a therapy session with two people who are so close to the edge because they have
00:14:09.780 the facts and no one will listen and the country is at stake.
00:14:16.320 And it seems that we all know it's corrupt in Ukraine, but it's just as corrupt here. 0.91
00:14:22.740 And you really didn't think it would be that way.
00:14:26.160 And no one, even the people supporting the president are really interested in the truth.
00:14:33.520 She said, the two of you were like, right, right.
00:14:37.380 And he would say something to me and I'm like, I know.
00:14:40.580 And then this, and it was a chance for him to not have three minutes that he had to jam in
00:14:49.180 this big, complex thing and try to convince someone he could lay the facts out.
00:14:55.620 He knew, he knew instantaneously because he had watched the specials.
00:14:59.940 He said that.
00:15:00.860 And he said, you're spot on.
00:15:03.040 You're right on.
00:15:04.060 Uh, and that gave him the opportunity to be the prosecutor that he's always been.
00:15:12.340 Rudy hasn't gone nuts.
00:15:14.620 The press has just, and this is my opinion, has frustrated him to the level of, of just
00:15:24.720 exploding on them.
00:15:26.200 Just exploding.
00:15:27.920 Okay.
00:15:28.520 The, uh, hearing is about to begin with Fiona Hill, who's got some really exciting stuff
00:15:35.600 to tell us that it's Russia and Ukraine didn't do anything in 2016.
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00:15:50.440 Hey, it's Glenn and you're listening to the Glenn Beck program.
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00:16:01.920 So yesterday, and we are going to break in if they're saying anything important on Capitol
00:16:06.960 Hill today.
00:16:08.200 Uh, in fact, let's break in.
00:16:09.560 Can we break in real quick now?
00:16:11.280 Vice President Pence said after his meeting.
00:16:13.540 That's enough.
00:16:15.220 One, I think actually interesting thing is we were talking about this last hour.
00:16:18.580 It's been widely reported that Holmes was a big note taker.
00:16:21.120 This is the guy that overheard the call with Ambassador Sondland.
00:16:24.460 Oh my gosh.
00:16:24.900 Where Trump was, you know, kind of screaming into the phone and he heard it at the table.
00:16:28.600 And then they talked about this afterwards.
00:16:30.140 We were told he took notes, uh, apparently did not take notes about that call.
00:16:34.060 Oh, he's a big note taker.
00:16:35.680 But did not take notes about that call.
00:16:37.000 Did not take notes about that call.
00:16:38.420 Did take notes about a meeting he was at, um, with Zelensky the day after the call with
00:16:44.060 Trump and which Zelensky apparently said reportedly, according to Holmes, during the meeting, President
00:16:48.720 Zelensky stated during the 25th of July call, President Trump had three times raised some
00:16:54.680 very sensitive issues in this quote, but he would have to follow up on those issues when
00:16:59.060 he and President Trump met in person.
00:17:00.680 Um, of course, Holmes had no idea what those sensitive issues were because he was not on
00:17:05.180 the actual call, but that is the only, well, I have an update on President Zelensky and that
00:17:09.760 phone call.
00:17:10.680 I have additional insight about that phone call July 25th on something the president was
00:17:16.120 worried about.
00:17:16.960 I'm going to show you the president was right.
00:17:20.720 Zelensky was wrong on that phone call.
00:17:22.960 I will show you the actual evidence of it tonight at five o'clock.
00:17:28.820 You don't want to miss tonight's show.
00:17:30.620 It is, it's like a mini special.
00:17:32.840 It's full of facts tonight that you need to know, especially about the bow tie wearing
00:17:38.500 Kent.
00:17:39.180 Wait until you find out about that guy.
00:17:41.700 Um, all right, let me go over what happened last night on blaze TV with me and Rudy Giuliani.
00:17:50.240 I, I talked to him about a lot of stuff, but I wanted to get a few things out at the beginning.
00:17:58.100 For instance, uh, the Democrats are saying you're running a shadow foreign policy.
00:18:05.480 Is that what's happening?
00:18:07.100 Listen, the testimony today was that, um, you were communicating with the Ukrainians without
00:18:13.560 anybody's knowledge in the state.
00:18:15.700 You were running a, uh, shadow foreign policy.
00:18:20.660 So I take it by your laugh that that's not true.
00:18:25.060 What?
00:18:25.440 No, no, no.
00:18:26.460 I wasn't running a shadow.
00:18:28.460 What was your mandate?
00:18:30.600 What did the president ask you to do in Ukraine?
00:18:33.600 What were you doing?
00:18:34.640 We got two parts.
00:18:35.780 Glenn, we have two parts to what I did.
00:18:37.640 Part one was my investigation as a defense lawyer to gather exculpatory evidence, evidence
00:18:44.560 that would help to make, make him innocent.
00:18:47.900 So remember this began while Moa was still investigating Russian collusion, November, 2018.
00:18:54.940 It happened to be at a very sensitive time.
00:18:57.540 They were seeking answers for us from us on Russian collusion.
00:19:01.740 Also, Mr. Weissman, who is a completely out of control, unethical prosecutor who worked
00:19:08.500 for, uh, Mueller had been questioning Manafort in what I consider to be a horrific manner.
00:19:15.520 He had him in solitary confinement.
00:19:17.480 He would take him out every couple of days and he would say to him, warrant you the link
00:19:22.000 between Trump and the Russians.
00:19:23.680 And then when he said no, he put him back in solitary confinement, basically telling Manafort,
00:19:29.680 if you'd like to, you know, stop being locked up for 23 hours a day, just lie to me.
00:19:34.200 So I knew they were hot and heavy on this Russian collusion thing, even though I knew 100% it
00:19:41.020 was false.
00:19:42.520 So when I got this evidence about Ukrainian collusion, in which they mentioned that Joe
00:19:48.940 Biden was involved in developing some of the collusion, I jumped on it and I started to
00:19:55.220 find people in Ukraine that were willing to come over and to talk to me about it.
00:19:59.340 People who told me that they had been blocked from coming here by the American embassy, specifically
00:20:05.440 by the ambassador, Yovanovitch, because she and her embassy were involved in collecting
00:20:11.680 the dirty information.
00:20:12.820 There was a particular FBI agent named Greenaway, who they said was very involved in collecting
00:20:21.320 not only the dirty information, but fraudulent information on Manafort.
00:20:26.380 She had since gone to work for George Soros, which gave it its own interesting flavor.
00:20:32.320 And she was working at the Anti-Corruption Bureau, was she not?
00:20:35.380 She was working at what the Anti-Corruption Bureau is a contradiction. 0.99
00:20:39.660 The Anti-Corruption Bureau was set up by George Kent, who was one of the witnesses here.
00:20:44.720 Yep.
00:20:45.280 I mean, when I was looking at him, I was like in shock that he's still at the State Department.
00:20:49.620 But George Kent set up this bureau.
00:20:52.460 They took all the corruption cases away from the prosecutor general.
00:20:55.600 They gave it to the Anti-Corruption Bureau, and they got rid of all the cases that offended
00:20:59.520 Soros, and they included all the cases against Soros' enemies.
00:21:03.300 One of the first cases they dismissed was a case in which his NGO, Antak, was supposed
00:21:10.180 to have embezzled a lot of money, but not only that, collected dirty information on Republicans
00:21:18.480 to be transmitted, gotten by Ukrainians, to be transmitted to this woman, Alexandra Chalupa,
00:21:26.860 and other people who worked for the Democratic National Committee.
00:21:30.360 Okay, a couple of things that you learned there.
00:21:35.440 If you've watched our specials, you really learned, I think, one new thing.
00:21:41.280 And that is something that I have said.
00:21:43.920 I have to talk to Rudy Giuliani to know.
00:21:46.220 I mean, I don't understand what he was doing there.
00:21:50.640 I pressed him about the two bad guys that they're smearing him with.
00:21:55.400 His answer to me makes sense.
00:21:56.740 We'll play it in a minute.
00:21:57.320 I mean, but we've said, in fact, Stu and I talked about this just the other day.
00:22:05.280 Why wouldn't Trump just make him the head of the State Department?
00:22:09.240 I mean, he wanted it, reportedly.
00:22:10.720 I mean, that was the big thing.
00:22:11.480 He wanted to get the job right at the beginning of the administration.
00:22:13.780 So look at how this has been framed.
00:22:15.720 This has been framed that Rudy Giuliani was going over to do something with foreign policy.
00:22:22.940 He wasn't.
00:22:24.480 He was going over during the Mueller investigation to, as the president's personal attorney, to show he didn't do this.
00:22:38.320 So he was going over because he knew that the Steele dossier was connected to Ukraine.
00:22:45.780 So he's going over and trying to build a case that, no, none of this stuff in the Steele dossier is true.
00:22:52.660 He wasn't involved in with Russia.
00:22:55.780 And here's how they gathered the information.
00:22:57.780 It has nothing to do with the State Department.
00:23:01.600 And while you may agree or disagree, I'm sure the media would be like, oh, well, I disagree with what he thinks he found in Ukraine.
00:23:08.980 The bottom line is it's a very understandable role for a personal attorney.
00:23:13.160 Your job as a personal attorney is to find the best defense possible for your client.
00:23:17.520 So now that clears things up to where, like, why was he even over there?
00:23:22.040 What was he doing?
00:23:23.220 Why didn't they?
00:23:24.640 He was being the president's personal attorney.
00:23:27.260 He was building a case against Mueller's case, which ended up being nothing.
00:23:33.860 But in that journey, he found all these things and was bringing those things to the president as a personal attorney.
00:23:42.020 That makes 100 percent sense.
00:23:45.060 And it also shows that the State Department, by saying he's running a shadow policy, it shows they need you to believe.
00:23:58.620 They need you to believe that he was over there meddling in State Department affairs and he was just this wild hand grenade.
00:24:07.520 No, nope, he wasn't.
00:24:11.260 Yeah, he might have been a wild hand grenade for you because you were covering additional things up.
00:24:19.500 Mm-hmm.
00:24:20.120 But they've spun this to make it seem like, yep, he's the guy.
00:24:24.840 He's the guy.
00:24:25.960 He definitely seems to be the target of a lot of the witnesses.
00:24:28.160 Yes.
00:24:28.440 You know, especially at the State Department, who are saying we are very frustrated because, you know, Rudy, whatever he's doing, it's different than what we're doing.
00:24:36.260 And the Ukrainians are confused, which seems to be the point they keep coming back to, which is, again, you can argue that it's a bad idea, but you can't argue it's impeachable.
00:24:47.100 It's not impeachable conduct.
00:24:48.480 Okay, I'm going to take a quick break because Hill is, Dr. Hill, is giving her testimony right now, and I think this is important to hear because this will be the testimony where she is trying to make the case that Russia was the only one that was interfering in 2016.
00:25:08.400 And that's everything else Trump is bringing up is just a conspiracy theory.
00:25:11.820 So we have to take that.
00:25:13.640 She's getting they're getting ready to ask her some questions here.
00:25:16.420 So we will take a one minute break and then write to the testimony.
00:25:20.560 You might have heard the other day when Stu challenged me to a race in our cars.
00:25:26.040 Oh, and it's on, brother.
00:25:27.460 Oh, that's fine.
00:25:28.200 It's on.
00:25:29.000 Yeah.
00:25:29.160 As soon as it starts to warm up, we got to make sure there's no ice or anything on the on the 78 degrees.
00:25:34.220 I know today it is.
00:25:35.240 Dallas.
00:25:35.960 We're in the middle of doing a lot of things.
00:25:37.820 And Christmas is coming.
00:25:38.860 You can avoid it all.
00:25:39.580 So in January and February gets cold, but we are on.
00:25:42.800 So you better practice.
00:25:43.960 All right.
00:25:44.480 Anyway, Mr. Big Talk says, you know, we'll get it all set up.
00:25:51.140 And then I hear him conspiring yesterday with somebody going, I'm thinking about souping up my car.
00:26:00.520 No, no, no, no.
00:26:02.240 Stock.
00:26:03.860 Stock.
00:26:05.160 I can't focus on this.
00:26:06.700 I have to go practice driving.
00:26:08.000 At a very high speed, because I'm going to whoop your butt. 1.00
00:26:12.800 If you miss, by the way, America, I just I'm for the first time in my career.
00:26:17.520 I have to tell you something.
00:26:19.640 Uh, I can't take the impeachment hearings anymore today.
00:26:24.440 I can't.
00:26:24.940 It's not good for me.
00:26:26.380 It's I mean, it's just my head will explode.
00:26:29.320 And it's what that is, is nothing but disinformation.
00:26:33.700 Uh, I, I refuse to carry it because it is, you know, you're talking about the Russians. 0.99
00:26:41.720 This is American disinformation and I won't carry it.
00:26:47.180 I can't do it without correcting every sentence they have because of the, the facts are out.
00:26:53.900 But there's too much in your head about this story to even to break this down.
00:26:57.940 Well, you can go, we can go through the important parts of it.
00:27:00.320 I mean, just to hear them run their mouths.
00:27:02.120 No, I'm not going to do it.
00:27:03.040 I'm not going to do it.
00:27:03.900 Um, tonight's show.
00:27:05.560 You don't want to miss five o'clock.
00:27:07.000 Please don't miss tonight.
00:27:08.940 Tonight's show.
00:27:09.660 Almost every show we're doing now on TV because we, I'm doing the best work of my career.
00:27:16.360 Um, and we are on this.
00:27:19.060 We are on it.
00:27:20.160 And if you liked those shows where we were showing you connecting all the dots, you like
00:27:26.820 those shows we used to do on Fox right now, every episode is like a special.
00:27:31.620 So make sure you join the blaze, watch it, um, and join us every night at five o'clock because
00:27:39.200 we are on it like white on rice.
00:27:43.040 What a racist.
00:27:44.400 There's brown rice too.
00:27:45.640 Why would you only point out the white rice?
00:27:47.360 Um, I want to tell you what we did last night.
00:27:51.000 This is available on YouTube.
00:27:52.480 You can watch it for free.
00:27:54.280 Um, we ran out of time, so I had to shoot some extra things and that's on the blaze behind
00:28:00.380 the paywall, but I'm going to take you through some of it.
00:28:02.880 Uh, here is what, uh, here's what Rudy Giuliani said to me yesterday when we were talking about
00:28:09.080 Russian collusion.
00:28:10.300 Listen to this.
00:28:10.720 In November of 2018, this is before, this is before, uh, Biden was running for president.
00:28:21.360 Right.
00:28:22.040 It's while Mueller was still investigating.
00:28:24.060 Right.
00:28:24.260 A former colleague of mine called me with information.
00:28:28.260 The information was just to shorten it a bit that you won't believe it.
00:28:32.820 There's a lot of, uh, so-called collusion that went on in, in Ukraine, not in Russia,
00:28:38.040 that what they say was going on in Russia.
00:28:41.120 It looks like it was really going on in Ukraine.
00:28:43.340 It included not just a server issue and the, uh, hiding of the server.
00:28:48.780 It included specific information that was developed by the Ukrainians that was turned
00:28:55.360 over to the democratic national committee.
00:28:57.440 And that was used to try to, uh, stop Trump from getting elected used in mid, uh, 2016.
00:29:05.860 It also included, um, very strong evidence that a lot of the Steele dossier, uh, was produced
00:29:15.040 in, uh, Ukraine, in Kiev.
00:29:18.760 And also things I didn't know, like Glenn Simpson spent a fair amount of time there during the
00:29:24.020 time that the dossier was being written.
00:29:26.680 And that the document that reopened the Manafort investigation went through the Glenn Simpson
00:29:34.440 company and that there were real questions about whether it wasn't a fraud and also no
00:29:41.940 question at all that it had been improperly used and leaked to the press in May of 2016.
00:29:48.320 So the New York times could write a story basically saying Trump has crooked campaign manager.
00:29:54.420 Correct.
00:29:56.140 So when I got all that evidence as a defense lawyer, I said to myself, hallelujah, I now have
00:30:02.760 what a defense lawyer always wants.
00:30:04.420 I can go prove somebody else committed this crime.
00:30:07.200 Okay.
00:30:07.720 I want to take you to, uh, the section where I, I asked him about the whistleblower.
00:30:14.140 He, he didn't play along with me, but as I asked him a follow-up question, it's important
00:30:24.360 that you hear his response.
00:30:26.480 Listen, do you know the name of the whistleblower?
00:30:29.960 And if it's, uh, Eric, uh, Caramella, just cough.
00:30:34.820 I won't, I won't say if I do, or I don't know the name of the whistleblower.
00:30:39.740 Okay.
00:30:40.160 I don't know all the facts that I would like to know about the whistleblower.
00:30:44.120 But what I do know is I no longer call him a whistleblower.
00:30:47.580 When I write op-ed pieces or give lectures or talks on this, I refer to him as the anonymous
00:30:52.780 informant.
00:30:53.500 Well, he is, if it is the guy, Eric Caramella, who we think it is, his fingerprints are all
00:31:00.920 over a, uh, deep state.
00:31:03.780 Uh, the throwing of the election, the, uh, the stopping of, uh, of prosecution.
00:31:10.620 I mean, he's in the middle of almost all of this stuff.
00:31:15.900 So if Eric Caramella is not the whistleblower, are you aware of Eric Caramella's role?
00:31:22.380 Uh, I don't know if I can comment on this.
00:31:27.540 Okay.
00:31:28.220 I think, I don't know if Ron responsibly I can comment on this part of it.
00:31:33.160 I can't tell you without being able to back this part up with facts right now that I am
00:31:39.560 entirely convinced that this whole episode is just, you know, uh, one chapter in at least
00:31:48.120 a three or four chapter plan, which I guess was best described by struck to prevent him
00:31:54.460 from being president and then should he become president, the insurance policy to remove him.
00:32:00.320 And this, this Ukrainian stage also had a pre-election stage because the, the black 1.00
00:32:08.420 ledger against Manafort, which turns out to be a fraud.
00:32:12.920 Well, hang on before you say that, before you say that, delivered to the New York times
00:32:17.620 to hurt him during the election.
00:32:20.000 This was really important.
00:32:21.520 That's true.
00:32:22.560 Yes.
00:32:23.120 The black ledger is a fraud.
00:32:24.600 Okay.
00:32:24.800 So you, you're ready for this one.
00:32:26.640 Uh, in fact, I think he, I think play this cut.
00:32:30.660 I think it explains it in this cut.
00:32:32.640 Go ahead.
00:32:33.120 The FBI had a case that was two years old on Manafort, went back to 2014.
00:32:37.900 The FBI had dismissed the case.
00:32:40.480 This, this, uh, rogue FBI agent Greenaway is now working for Soros, wanted to reopen
00:32:46.020 it in order to reopen it.
00:32:47.820 They needed newly discovered evidence.
00:32:50.360 And when they, when this, when this meeting took place in January of 2016 at the NSC, what
00:32:57.560 the, the Obama people were asking the Ukrainians to do, to go get us bad information on Manafort
00:33:04.980 so we can reopen the investigation.
00:33:07.720 And lo and behold, this black ledger shows up on the doorstep of a parliamentarian who
00:33:15.080 then brings it to the prosecutor, but also doesn't forget to bring it to the New York
00:33:19.500 times first.
00:33:21.240 So, and that's what they got convicted for in Ukraine.
00:33:24.200 Those two people, right?
00:33:25.000 Weren't they involved in leaking the black ledger?
00:33:26.800 Okay.
00:33:26.980 So here's, here's, this is amazing.
00:33:29.420 And we haven't revealed this yet on the chalkboard.
00:33:32.780 It's a fact we found out about a week ago or two weeks ago.
00:33:36.480 Um, and we were going to include it on a Soros, uh, section.
00:33:41.740 So the anti-corruption bureau, this is something that they're all like, we've got to talk about
00:33:46.580 corruption.
00:33:47.420 They're just, they're pursuing cases that had nothing to do with anything.
00:33:51.500 They're saying, this is a Soros, Obama plan.
00:33:56.720 And it's very well documented.
00:33:58.980 We have all of it.
00:34:00.520 The state department, the Obama administration, and George Soros worked together to form this
00:34:07.560 anti-corruption bureau.
00:34:09.220 It's, it's, it was a shadow prosecutor's office and they would decide what's worth pursuing
00:34:17.640 and what's not.
00:34:19.000 Now, if you're doing criminal activity or you want investigations on people, it's good to
00:34:24.940 have your own little shadow, uh, shadow justice department, isn't it?
00:34:29.100 So they have this anti-corruption thing.
00:34:32.160 Um, the new name that you heard was, uh, Greenaway.
00:34:36.140 She is a, an FBI agent that was assigned to this anti-corruption bureau.
00:34:42.680 So she was going over to help teach them all about corruption and how to look into cases.
00:34:48.340 Okay.
00:34:48.680 She went over there.
00:34:50.000 She was working there with the Ukrainians.
00:34:52.540 Uh, she's the one that went and helped gather the information on, uh, the ledger along with
00:35:03.940 the guy who is the head of the anti-corruption, uh, bureau.
00:35:08.960 All right.
00:35:09.500 So she has the connection back to the DOJ and says, we have information that he has not paid
00:35:16.040 taxes on all of this money.
00:35:18.040 And we could open a case on him if we could get any kind of evidence, uh, on, uh, taxes.
00:35:25.460 Okay.
00:35:26.080 Because there was already an old case that had been dismissed, but they could reopen it
00:35:32.040 if there was any new evidence.
00:35:33.980 Right.
00:35:34.400 And they screwed up the first one.
00:35:37.000 So they had the evidence they felt to convict him.
00:35:40.020 They just needed a reason to reopen it.
00:35:42.780 So she tells the Sitnik, the guy who's the head of the anti-corruption bureau, he goes
00:35:48.700 and he, he finds information in this black ledger.
00:35:53.220 The black ledger is then dropped off at the New York times and given to the justice department
00:35:59.040 and the FBI.
00:36:01.020 Now, so, you know, Greenaway has since left and she works for the George Soros organization.
00:36:07.560 Um, the guy who discovered the black ledger and then dropped it off, went to, uh, court
00:36:16.020 and was convicted of interfering in a U S election because of the black ledger.
00:36:22.220 All right.
00:36:23.320 He gave the black ledger to the justice and to the New York times with the intent of discrediting
00:36:30.940 Donald Trump.
00:36:32.120 The, the Ukrainian DNC reason for that was to discredit Donald Trump.
00:36:37.740 Look, he's working with crazy people who love Russia.
00:36:41.720 Okay.
00:36:42.280 They're corrupt.
00:36:43.200 That was their intent.
00:36:44.940 The FBI agent said we can open up a case and nail him when they went to court.
00:36:51.820 You didn't hear any of this.
00:36:53.900 The prosecution didn't use a single word from the black ledger, not one word.
00:37:02.120 It wasn't credible.
00:37:06.180 They got him on income tax evasion on an old case that they had already had of $12 million.
00:37:14.400 That case had already been dismissed.
00:37:16.980 They blew it.
00:37:17.740 They needed something to reopen it.
00:37:19.740 The black ledger reopened it.
00:37:21.480 When they got to trial, they threw the black ledger out because it was not true or at least
00:37:28.720 so sketchy that they couldn't, they didn't want to use it because they, they thought it
00:37:34.920 could be picked apart by the defense.
00:37:38.000 And, and then the whole case would be thrown out.
00:37:40.700 I feel like I'm like jumping into like Godfather three and I don't understand any of the characters.
00:37:45.880 It's like, there's just so much crap going on.
00:37:48.740 You know, there's so many different people.
00:37:50.720 But which direction is it going to hurt the president's case or to help the president's case?
00:37:58.000 Which direction is it going?
00:37:59.400 If you listen to them, they keep focusing on like, I was at the table.
00:38:05.020 I heard it.
00:38:05.780 I heard that phone call.
00:38:07.540 Well, I don't think that's what happened, but he's a great note taker.
00:38:13.100 Okay.
00:38:13.300 Well, I didn't take any notes, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened.
00:38:16.440 They're focusing on this little stuff.
00:38:18.620 Right.
00:38:18.680 We're talking about the throwing of an election and our government paying for it.
00:38:25.580 Our state department involved in revolution in Ukraine, that we are the ones that trained
00:38:34.860 all the people for the Maidan revolution.
00:38:37.680 Now you can agree and say, well, that's a good thing or a bad thing.
00:38:40.720 Doesn't matter.
00:38:41.740 Is that what you want your government doing?
00:38:45.380 Training these people to do revolution?
00:38:48.000 Because it's happening all over the world and we have the evidence of it.
00:38:53.460 I think there's a fundamental issue here, which is the argument you're making is that
00:39:01.460 we should be looking into these things because they're important for America in a big time
00:39:05.500 way.
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00:39:42.780 For 30 years, Cheryl Atkinson was a was a correspondent and an anchor at CBS News, PBS, CNN.
00:39:53.300 And boy, and then they found out she wasn't crazy progressive.
00:40:00.180 She was actually looking for the truth no matter where the chips fell.
00:40:04.560 Yeah.
00:40:04.960 So they had to run her out on a rail. 0.98
00:40:07.580 Good thing for us.
00:40:09.040 There is something called the interwebs.
00:40:12.780 The information superhighway really gave her home.
00:40:17.980 Now she also has her her own show with Sinclair called Full Measure.
00:40:24.200 And she actually looks for the truth.
00:40:28.320 Cheryl Atkinson.
00:40:29.280 How are you?
00:40:30.740 I am terrific.
00:40:31.900 Thank you.
00:40:32.640 You're welcome.
00:40:33.600 I'm very good.
00:40:34.400 I'm I'm interested in in in hearing your theory and what you found in with the State Department and shadow diplomacy.
00:40:44.340 Well, let me just say that I typically without trying to be in sort of a contrarian, I see something entirely different than what I think even some of the Republicans see when I listen to these hearings.
00:40:56.440 And it is sort of the last gasp of the persistent bureaucracy within the State Department.
00:41:03.780 Yes.
00:41:04.840 Speaking against a president who came in and did exactly what he said he was going to do.
00:41:08.980 Yes.
00:41:09.380 Change business as usual.
00:41:10.620 Take charge.
00:41:11.840 They didn't like it.
00:41:12.640 And I would go so far as to say there have been some key admissions by our diplomats that they took actions contrary to what they understood the president's foreign policy desires were, which I believe is extra constitutional and perhaps worse.
00:41:26.800 But they seem to think, we've now heard it stated explicitly, they think the bureaucrats, they run the show and the president works for them.
00:41:36.180 And they're out of their minds when he didn't see things the way they wanted him to see them.
00:41:41.200 Well, they have a lot.
00:41:42.740 The State Department has a lot invested in Ukraine and and a policy called Civil Society 2.0 that was designed by Hillary Clinton when she was at the State Department, Barack Obama and and some other some other figures that usually only belong in conspiracy theories like George Soros.
00:42:06.100 Uh, and they have set this course up as a matter of policy and they spoke about it at the time, Cheryl, with, uh, with people who were in the room helping design it, that they needed it to be institutionalized so it wouldn't matter what presidents would do when they came in and went.
00:42:27.340 And that's not what the State Department is supposed to do.
00:42:31.960 The State Department works for the president, not for themselves, unelected officials.
00:42:38.780 And I think that's one of the revelations.
00:42:42.060 This is them explicitly saying otherwise.
00:42:44.960 And I would also point out, I looked at the disclosures the other day for the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
00:42:50.880 This is where foreign countries disclose the lobbying, the foreign agents they're hiring here in the U.S. to lobby for their interest.
00:42:59.000 Most countries have in this congressional summary maybe a page of people they've hired, you know, to do certain things.
00:43:04.820 Ukraine is by far the biggest.
00:43:07.160 It has pages and pages of people it's hired in the last few years to lobby journalists and members of Congress to make contributions, all kinds of things.
00:43:16.540 And I don't think that's any coincidence that everybody is advocating.
00:43:20.000 It looks to me like these State Department officials.
00:43:21.920 It sounds to me like they're advocating for Ukraine and trying to change the president's mind.
00:43:27.140 Yes.
00:43:27.660 Rather than the other way around.
00:43:29.240 Right.
00:43:29.540 I mean, here's the thing that is lost on me, why people can't connect here.
00:43:37.660 Quid pro quo is a way of life.
00:43:40.060 I mean, it's commerce.
00:43:42.200 It's free market.
00:43:43.020 It's our marriage.
00:43:43.920 Everything is quid pro quo.
00:43:45.880 You cheat on me, and I'm probably not going to hang around.
00:43:49.380 I might add that it's controversial when there is not a precondition for foreign aid or a white. 0.81
00:43:55.140 Yes, yes.
00:43:56.780 It's controversial at times if there haven't been conditions set.
00:43:59.680 That's expected to have conditions set.
00:44:02.260 Why would we just give money away, especially to a country that all sides, even Ukrainians say, corrupt as hell? 0.88
00:44:12.280 Why wouldn't we have conditions on that money?
00:44:15.260 And something new has arisen the last day and a half, at least in my mind.
00:44:21.460 There is such an effort by these diplomats to make sure no one would commit in Ukraine to a corruption investigation or look into election meddling in 2016.
00:44:31.680 Why?
00:44:32.660 What is the harm?
00:44:33.600 I mean, they may be right.
00:44:34.600 They may be wrong that there wasn't any.
00:44:36.260 There's good evidence that there was some.
00:44:38.520 Left-leaning Politico concluded there was based on firsthand interviews.
00:44:41.540 But let's just say there wasn't any.
00:44:44.260 What's the harm of having the investigation that would show that?
00:44:47.200 Why are they so hell-bent on keeping the president of Ukraine from committing to any investigation into corruption or 2016 or Burisma?
00:44:55.960 I think it's strange.
00:44:57.180 Cheryl, I would love to have your brain around this.
00:45:00.500 May I send you a box of documents from the State Department, from the court system in Ukraine, along with videotape of what we have on officials admitting to these things?
00:45:16.920 Because the facts are all there.
00:45:19.680 No one is willing to go there.
00:45:21.860 And it is if if this becomes just about Donald Trump, my opinion, Cheryl, on this whole thing is if Donald Trump was doing something wrong, illegal, then he should pay the price.
00:45:34.420 If the Democrats were doing something wrong or legal, they should pay the price.
00:45:37.800 But we need to overturn every stone because our republic is at stake, just like with Russia. 1.00
00:45:45.680 If Donald Trump was colluding with Russia, he should have been impeached.
00:45:50.440 I don't care who's right or wrong.
00:45:53.280 I want to know the truth.
00:45:56.260 Well, and I'm I'm concerned that the persistent bureaucracy has been quite effective in punishing anybody around President Trump so far that has gone off script of what they want to happen.
00:46:08.560 And if they're able to make it where a president can't institute foreign policy, can't call for investigations into corruption, can't condition aid.
00:46:16.260 I mean, we've been given up any notion that the Constitution that says the president determines foreign policy is at play.
00:46:23.520 We've basically been said, no, today, the bureaucracy decides these things.
00:46:27.980 The president just has to go along with them.
00:46:30.100 Cheryl, can I tell you something that President Bush told me in the Oval Office?
00:46:33.160 I was there the day that Barack Obama, who was then trailing Hillary Clinton, he said that, you know, if I if I had charge, I would I would send our jets.
00:46:45.960 I don't care about their airspace.
00:46:48.120 If if I want to find, you know, the bad guys and they're in Afghanistan, I'll just send the jets over. 0.91
00:46:54.600 And this is at the time where we kind of thought that maybe Afghanistan was kind of an ally.
00:47:00.280 And I said, Mr. President, I mean, can we do that?
00:47:05.540 It's an ally.
00:47:06.580 What would that mean?
00:47:07.700 And he looked at me and he tried to comfort me and it spooked the hell out of me.
00:47:12.100 He said, Glenn, don't worry.
00:47:14.640 I don't care who sits in this chair when they do.
00:47:18.940 They will be advised by exactly the same people.
00:47:22.080 They'll see the same facts and they'll realize the president's hands are pretty tied.
00:47:27.580 It's just going to stay the same.
00:47:30.140 Well, can you imagine being an outsider like Trump who comes in to change that, who understands that and thinks it's harmful to the nation?
00:47:38.580 Right.
00:47:38.920 Or you're Jeff Sessions.
00:47:40.440 And I have good authority that says he whispered in his own office when he met with certain people because other people were listening who worked for him.
00:47:48.880 And he didn't trust and you want to do things, but nobody around you supports it.
00:47:53.500 How are you going to implement anything?
00:47:55.940 This is what I think, you know, term limits are so important, but I think service limits are important.
00:48:02.040 These institutions, if you've been there and you've seen five presidents come and go, what do you care what the president said?
00:48:11.060 I've outlasted all of you guys.
00:48:13.640 And the arrogance grows.
00:48:15.680 And the programs, again, please, I'll send you the information.
00:48:21.500 Look up Civil Society 2.0 and what they were really doing and what they still are doing in Chile.
00:48:29.520 They institutionalized this.
00:48:33.400 So it just runs under the radar.
00:48:35.720 And the president may or may not even know it, but that's that is truly what they're covering here.
00:48:43.000 And every single one of these people that are been testifying, they're all involved in it.
00:48:50.100 I mean, like deeply.
00:48:51.320 I have emails that through FOIA requests that have come from them and I have the money.
00:48:58.580 I have the State Department connections.
00:49:00.560 We have all of it.
00:49:03.000 It's not a hidden secret.
00:49:04.760 It's just that no one will look into it in the press.
00:49:07.520 And I think that's because they've made it about Trump.
00:49:10.940 And I think I did an interview with an author named Thomas Pranawitter.
00:49:14.760 He wrote a book called Save the Swamp.
00:49:17.440 And he touches upon what you're saying, but he goes back historically and says this was designed.
00:49:23.040 The swamp as we know it.
00:49:24.560 Yes.
00:49:24.840 By design was thought that there will be bureaucrats, the permanent government, they called themselves,
00:49:30.540 that despite what the election found and we'd be distracted by the elections, the permanent government would be the ones running the show.
00:49:39.040 And I think it's exactly what we're seeing today.
00:49:42.120 It really grew out of Woodrow Wilson's frustration with the League of Nations.
00:49:49.700 He just knew that was right.
00:49:51.660 And so we just have to get this done.
00:49:54.100 And between him and FDR, it just grew into this hydra that now is, I think, beyond most people's comprehension because they don't hear about it ever by design.
00:50:09.660 Well, according to – I just looked up a quick quote from this book, and Crannawitter, the author, said early social scientists sketching out the plan of what an administrative state would look like often used the phrase permanent government and said we'll still have elections, and they're useful because they distract citizens.
00:50:29.700 But what's going to happen is we will be the leviathan of a permanent government in no way affected by the results of the election.
00:50:36.260 And that's exactly where we are.
00:50:39.660 It's – I've never – I've been doing my research on this Ukraine thing for about a year, and what we started to find about a year ago was disturbing, and the more we look into it, and it is – it's truly terrifying.
00:50:54.540 If the Senate doesn't pick this up and expose what's going on, if they make this just about Donald Trump, this – all of this stuff is just a show.
00:51:06.540 It's just a show, and nothing's going to really change.
00:51:10.220 The Senate, in the midst of all this in 2015 or 2016, started a Ukrainian caucus.
00:51:15.980 That's not a coincidence.
00:51:17.200 I'm sure that was a result of lobbying and contributions.
00:51:20.600 And I think a lot of them – I'm talking about Republicans – are tied up in this, in the Ukrainian interest in a way we don't understand.
00:51:26.980 And they are not doing much to counter this false narrative that there was no Ukrainian interference in the election.
00:51:33.820 They're kind of sitting silently by with maybe a couple of exceptions.
00:51:37.520 They're not holding hearings they could hold.
00:51:39.580 They're not counterpointing some of these things that are not true.
00:51:42.640 So I'm not really confident they're going to do a strong and great job if you're looking at them for a counterpoint.
00:51:50.480 Cheryl, may I have off air – may I have one of my researchers send you a bunch of raw information and give you the outline on it?
00:52:03.060 But I would love for you to see these documents because you are absolutely right, and I think we have proven the case beyond a reasonable doubt with official documents.
00:52:14.040 But there's so much more work to be done on it, and it has to be exposed.
00:52:19.440 May I reach out to you after the show?
00:52:21.260 Yes, of course.
00:52:22.100 I'd love to look at it.
00:52:23.220 Cheryl, thank you so much.
00:52:24.220 Appreciate it.
00:52:25.460 God bless.
00:52:26.220 You bet.
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