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In this episode, I interview a decorated marine combat veteran who has just filed a lawsuit against the ATF and the Department of Justice for a ruling that could have a devastating effect on the Second Amendment rights of millions of Americans.
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all right i want to bring in sean kroll he has just filed a lawsuit against uh the atf
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about something that is really honestly going to affect all of us and all gun owners if they
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can get away with this they will come and take away your gun and it will happen faster than you think
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now he is currently a structural engineer he is a decorated marine combat veteran um he served the
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united states with distinction in afghanistan uh and he has a pistol with a 10 and a half inch barrel
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and a stabilizing brace well that's a problem why because the atf has changed their mind
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so he has just put together a uh a lawsuit and just filed it just a few minutes ago
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we've been waiting for this uh to happen and he joins us uh now from wisconsin sean welcome
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oh man i thank you for coming on but thank you for what you're doing this uh atf ruling that they
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just changed and changed their mind and i believe have no standing have no way to actually uh do this
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legally if this isn't fought in the court and won i think our second amendment rights are gone
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do you believe it's that's hyperbole i know i'm inclined to agree you know um unfortunately this
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is just uh another instance in a long list of arbitrary bans by the department of alcohol
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tobacco and firearms uh to your point many of which were at one point deemed acceptable to be purchased
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so i i agree wholeheartedly okay so tell me about your lawsuit why did you file it why is it being
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filed in wisconsin and what does it say yeah so uh the reason for filing in short um again i i believe
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this to be a a massive overstep by the atf and i don't believe it to be a a rightful or legal thing
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to be done um i find it unfortunate that now as a civilian no longer an active uh service member
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united states i still feel compelled to have to stand up for the rights of the people of this
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country and unfortunately um i'm doing so from a branch of government that is sworn to do the same
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uh part of the uh lawsuit that we have actively uh amongst myself and two other veterans is just
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uh going against the atf for this ruling uh we we don't believe it to be valid we don't believe it to
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be uh justify change in definition and so we wish to change that okay now you're filing in wisconsin
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who is filing with you who do you have representing you yeah so the wisconsin institute for law and
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liberty is the uh firm that i am working with uh again i have two other veterans one is a resident
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here of wisconsin uh gabe tausher and the third is a uh veteran in the state of texas in amarillo
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okay so if anybody doesn't know the wisconsin institute for law and liberty they are very very
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good um and uh have a really good track record at things like this so this is kind of the you know
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the reason why i asked this uh sean is um uh rosa parks was not the first woman to refuse to give up
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her seat um she was just the best one to present to uh the world with the best chance
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of of it sticking so i'm assuming that um there's others that are doing this but you are also you and
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your your fellow um uh marines or or compatriots uh are are selected as one of the best cases out
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there would that be true do you know yeah i certainly hope so um you know you you know we we pride
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ourselves on you know not only our service but you know our continued service to our country uh in
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all aspects now you know after all of our actual contracts with the department of defense have now
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ended so yeah i would be inclined to agree okay so what are you arguing because it's it's a pretty long
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yeah so again you know to i you know keep it relatively short we believe this ruling to be
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unconstitutional we believe it to be against what the atf is within their bounds of being able to do
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uh you're effectively taking an estimated 10 to 40 million americans that have purchased these braces
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and you are making them sell them overnight and by doing so you are restricting their ability to not
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only have their gun rights but to even participate in the voting experience as an american so we stand
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to step in to hopefully stop or retract this change in definition so that we can again allow the people
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of this country to exercise their second amendment rights how do you feel about the chances there in
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wisconsin um so i believe the suit is actually formally being filed in amarillo texas uh again
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the wisconsin institute for law and liberty is the one who is heading this up but there is a high
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likelihood that in amarillo that this is likely to gain traction okay support so it is my understanding
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that that is the the tactical choice perfect okay we are going and proceeding forward with that
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okay i didn't know it was filed here in texas that explains that explains a lot thank you that makes
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me feel much better okay so you are looking to um overturn the stabilizing but you're also if i'm not
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mistaken um trying to make sure that this overreach doesn't happen in other categories beyond the
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the stabilizing brace correct yeah so in general uh you know obviously we we hope to set a precedent
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that again you can't unilaterally write law as the atf uh and by changing the definition they're trying
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to go around that and to do it by other means and so what we are hoping to do is to again by stopping
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this piece of of definition change we hope to set a precedent to where this cannot happen for any other
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instance of any other uh type of item in the future so explain what that means because i mean i this this
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law has come out it is absolutely nowhere in the mainstream press and i think that's for a reason
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um they're avoiding this because they know if people understand what this means they will they will be
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you know filing themselves i mean it would be i think it would be overwhelming the system with
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litigation because it does just this one put maybe up to 40 million americans um in prison and it and it
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forces you to turn over something that the atf themselves said was legal when you bought it now
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they're changing with no grandfather law and this could go all the way all the way down to magazines
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this could go to you know they are talking about banning all semi-automatic uh weapons which would mean
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that really only the cowboy gun is is allowed oh and the red rider bb gun which will put an eye out
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um yeah and that is accurate right can you kind of go into where this leads if it's not overturned
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yeah so you know i think just uh recently within the last day or so they're finding now that
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formally some of the triggers that are sold in the the industry are are now to be considered machine
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guns you know the trigger assembly itself exclusively is a machine gun um you know you already have
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instances where a vertical grip that is perpendicular to the direction of the barrel is making something
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a felony to own versus if it's 15 degrees it has been safe you know you have a lot of these distinctions
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that kind of exist in ambiguity to where you could very unwittingly do something that is illegal and
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become a felon unbeknownst to your choices and so there is definitely an opportunity to expand this
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if it gets pushed through and it is successful to apply to quite literally any other aspect of the
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firearms industry and if we don't turn our gun in or if we don't alert them with a picture and
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serial numbers and everything else um if we don't say hey i'm this citizen a and i have this gun and i bought
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it here um if if this doesn't isn't overturned i'm automatically if i own one of these guns a felon
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and they can arrest me but the problem is that this is exactly the way they did it in germany
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they'll say turn in your guns but if you turn in your guns um then they have a register of everybody
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if it is overturned anybody who's turned their guns in and turn all that information in they now
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have a registry of that and you're not going to get your guns back if you overturn so a lot of people
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are stuck in this place look i don't want to be a felon um but i don't want to turn my gun in and i
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certainly don't trust the atf to give them my information yeah absolutely and you know it's worth
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mentioning that the current amount of nfa submissions per year handled by the atf they are
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oftentimes unable given the manpower that they have the resource allocated to to process all of
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those in a given year i think the estimate is somewhere around 500 000 per year that are submitted
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they can't get to them now so okay so wait a minute wait a minute explain that for people who don't
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understand for instance if you have a legally owned automatic weapon a machine gun which is lawful
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but they cost because you can only buy them from the you know prior to what 1980 or 1990 so they cost
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an absolute fortune uh and drug dealers aren't buying them uh you know over the counter so they
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cost a fortune and you have to go and apply for what is called a stamp and that vets you but to get
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that stamp takes over a year but in this case they're saying you have to send all your information and apply
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for that stamp but this goes into effect in 120 days there's no way to process all of those stamps
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so what happens in between and they're playing cat and mouse on this they're being very coy on this
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on what that means if you've applied and you don't have it yet correct you're absolutely correct so
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to apply for the free uh tax stamp is what the one of the routes that you can do to be in compliance
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with this new uh change of definition you can submit for your firearm to be what's referred to as an
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sbr a short barreled rifle uh the issue to your point it oftentimes takes anywhere from 9 to 18
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months to get that process and to be given the authority to legally possess that item now in any
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other instance you would do so through a dealer who will hold on to the item until that acceptance
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is granted to you and then issue that and transfer it over to you in this circumstance that we are
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discussing this morning you already have that in your possession so when you exceed that 120 day mark
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and you're you have still another anywhere up to 15 months to go before they could potentially approve
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this you are by your own admission from the fingerprints and the photos that you have submitted
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to the atf in violation of what you can legally possess at that time so you are at that point
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immediately a felon all right so 120 days from the time of this law being posted this law was not had
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not been posted um on the registry as of early last week when did they post the law when did the 120 days
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go into action it is my understanding that that was this morning it was formally entered into the registry
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and therefore you would have 120 days as of this morning to be in compliance with this new change
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okay um sean i hope to have you on again um real quick do you think this is going to the court will
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rule on this pretty quickly and hear the case i certainly hope so given the nature of these they're
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usually long-winded arguments and battles but with that said we have hoped that uh the choice of
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amarillo to be the state that we are filing suit in will have an effect and this will proceed and uh
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get some traction here well again thank you uh again for uh filing this suit and and coming on
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i really appreciate it i hope this story goes far and wide today because you need to understand
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120 days from today if you own a a pistol that has a uh a pistol grip if you will a pistol brace
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you will be a felon in 120 days uh and none of the options are any good to deal with it
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you're listening to the best of the glenbeck program
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here's a clip again from the world economic forum listen first off a video uh it's going to make you
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see the future and understand a wonderful future where we can use brainwaves to fight crime be more
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productive and find love that's wonderful you're in the zone even you can't believe how productive
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you've been your memo is finished your inbox is under control and you're feeling sharper than you
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have in a decade sensing your joy your playlist shifts to your favorite song sending chills up your
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spine as the music begins to play you glance at the program running in the background on your computer
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screen and notice a now familiar sight that appears whenever you're overloaded with pleasure
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your theta brainwave activity decreasing in the temporal regions of your brain you mentally move
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the cursor to the left and scroll through your brain data over the past few hours you can see your
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stress levels rising as the deadline to finish your memo approached causing a peak in your beta brainwave
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activity right before an alert popped up telling you to take a brain break but what's that unusual
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change in your brain activity when you're asleep it started earlier in the month you send a text
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message to your doctor with a mental swipe of your cursor could you take a quick look at my brain data
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anything to worry about your mind starts to wander to the new colleague on your team whom you know you
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shouldn't be daydreaming about given the policy against intra-office romance but you can't help
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fantasizing just a little but then you start to worry that your boss will notice your amorous feelings
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when she checks your brain activity and shift your attention back to the present you breathe a sigh of
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relief when the email she sends you later that day congratulate you on your brain metrics from the past
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quarter which have earned you another performance bonus you head home jamming to the music with your
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work issued brain sensing earbuds still in when you arrive at work the next day a somber cloud has
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fallen over the office along with emails text messages and gps location data the government has
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subpoenaed employees brainwave data from the past year they have compelling evidence that one of your
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co-workers has committed massive wire fraud now they're looking for his co-conspirators you discover
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they are looking for synchronized brain activity between your co-worker and the people he has been
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working with while you know you're innocent of any crime you've been secretly working with him on a
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new startup venture shaking you remove your earbuds
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stop for a second please stop how many feel comfortable with this this remember was introduced
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as you know your future and showing you how exciting things can happen in your future you'll be able to
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increase your productivity we'll be able to fight crime you'll be able to find love who's comfortable
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with just this now let me just play the beginning of uh one of the eggheads at the world economic forum
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you have the rest what do you think is it a future you're ready for
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you may be surprised to learn that it's a future that has already arrived
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everything in that video that you just saw is based on technology that is already here today
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artificial intelligence has enabled advances in decoding brain activity in ways that we never
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before thought possible you've heard a lot about ai over the past few years here at davos it's been the
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talk of the hour but i want to talk about it in a different way which is the ability to decode
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brainwave activity after all what you think what you feel it's all just data data that in large
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patterns can be decoded using artificial intelligence consider this the average person thinks thousands of
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thoughts each day as a thought takes form like a math calculation you're happy you're tired you're hungry
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you're elated neurons are firing in your brain emitting tiny electrical discharges as a particular
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thought takes form hundreds of thousands of neurons fire and characteristic patterns that can be decoded
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with eeg or electroencephalography and ai powered devices in fact what you're seeing here is my brain activity
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while i'm wearing a simple device like the one on the right we're not talking about implanted devices of the future
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i'm talking about wearable devices that are like fitbits for your brain
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it used to be that there was very little we could tell from eeg activity but already using consumer wearable devices
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these are headbands uh hats that have sensors that can pick up your brainwave activity earbuds
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headphones tiny tattoos that you can wear behind your ear we can pick up emotional states like are you happy or sad or angry
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we can pick up and decode faces that you're seeing in your mind simple shapes numbers your pin number to your bank account
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it's not just your brain activity here that we can pick up we can also pick up your brain activity in different places
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like as your neurons fire from your brain down your arm and send signals to your hand to tell you how to type move
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all of that can be decoded through electromyography and that's what you're seeing here is a device now in the form of a simple wearable watch
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that can pick up that activity and one of the pivotal acquisitions of the field meta acquired this company control labs
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in 2019 because major tech companies are investing and helping to make these devices
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universally applicable as the way in which we interact with the rest of our technology in fact the coming future
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we are um we are um we are there gang everything's to who you remember you remember the crazy days back in the 90s when i would
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talk about this stuff and it was really truly science fiction it was science fiction it was a prediction from people like
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ray kurzweil ray kurzweil of where we were headed in the very near future um and when you said very near future it seemed like it was a long way away
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you know it was 2020 2030 this would begin to happen and i've been i've been telling you um since 2016 i i started to get very very specific
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that our jobs are going to be in danger our jobs are going to be in danger because
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things like ai will be able to take jobs away from people this is why um when i've ever spoken of universal basic income
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i have not dismissed it um out of hand as un-american universal basic income as it's been debated
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has is wrong and i do not think it's an answer for anything i think it will only cause more problems
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however what i have said is we have to discuss something because what's going to happen is these tech companies
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like microsoft uh google and others they will start to create things that take the jobs