The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Sohrab Ahmari ｜ 8⧸17⧸23

00:00:00.000 Hey, we have a pretty amazing update on Maui that I don't think you're hearing everywhere.

00:00:05.280 We also give you the update on, are we on today on Apple, the podcast?

00:00:10.720 I think so.

00:00:11.340 Yeah, they've put our whole catalog back.

00:00:13.620 Well, with an exception of about 1,500 podcasts.

00:00:18.060 But on that, it's fully restored.

00:00:20.900 Why is that happening, Apple?

00:00:23.200 What exactly was the reason yesterday?

00:00:25.220 Because they said in Variety magazine, well, there was a copyright dispute.

00:00:31.420 No, you let us know on June 28th.

00:00:34.800 And on June 28th, three hours after you identified the problem, we solved the problem with your people. 0.99

00:00:43.820 So what was the problem exactly?

00:00:47.440 And why aren't all 3,300 podcasts back?

00:00:52.440 Well, we'll continue to follow that story.

00:00:55.520 Also, we have Saurabh Amari on with us.

00:00:58.460 He is the author of Tyranny, Inc.

00:01:00.580 He's a guy who I usually agree with, and I agree with him on the problem.

00:01:04.800 His book, however, is offering a solution that I don't agree with at all.

00:01:11.180 I don't know if you do, but it's a conversation that we on the right need to start having,

00:01:16.420 or we're going to go down a path that I don't necessarily think is a good one.

00:01:22.440 That's Tyranny, Inc.

00:01:24.340 Also, the latest on Maui.

00:01:26.600 We'll tell you the story on Maui.

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00:02:36.960 All right, so we talk about Apple.

00:02:39.500 Apple.

00:02:39.840 Here is what's happening with Apple.

00:02:44.200 Apple restored the episodes to their platform yesterday.

00:02:50.160 In case you haven't heard, Apple totally deplatformed me yesterday at about noon.

00:02:57.960 They removed every last episode from Apple Podcasts.

00:03:02.520 It was removed with no explanation why for several hours.

00:03:06.540 As soon as I heard the news, I posted a video to Twitter or X or whatever.

00:03:13.560 I'm never going to get used to that.

00:03:14.860 Is anybody really going to start calling it X?

00:03:16.920 I don't think so.

00:03:17.300 They're really doing the Prince thing with it, where it's like the artist formerly known as Prince.

00:03:21.280 Every article is like, X, the artist for the social media site formerly known as Twitter.

00:03:26.580 It's like, oh, great.

00:03:28.000 So you've taken a six or seven letter word, whatever it is, and you've shortened it to one and then added three sentences on to explain what it means.

00:03:39.600 Thanks a lot, Elon.

00:03:40.600 Appreciate it.

00:03:41.180 Anyway, I got into X yesterday, and I asked you to join me in demanding answers from Apple.

00:03:47.280 Well, thankfully, a lot of people came out in force.

00:03:51.260 Yeah.

00:03:51.620 We were trending on X all day with people on both the left and the right calling Apple out.

00:03:57.940 I was so happy to see so many people on the left who would post.

00:04:03.760 I totally disagree with him, but this is wrong.

00:04:09.160 Yes.

00:04:10.240 Thank you.

00:04:11.320 Thank you for that.

00:04:12.740 So thank you if you did any of it, because after six hours of you raising all kinds of ruckus online, Apple restored my show to their platform.

00:04:23.240 Well.

00:04:24.580 One thousand nine hundred and fifteen episodes of three thousand plus catalog.

00:04:30.820 Hmm.

00:04:31.340 So they removed at least a decade worth of content yesterday without explanation.

00:04:40.820 At least until we started making noise about it today, I read an article in Variety that said the podcast was removed because of a trademark dispute and quote.

00:04:52.300 It has since been resolved.

00:04:54.860 Really?

00:04:55.700 Really?

00:04:56.100 A trademark?

00:04:57.580 Wow.

00:04:57.940 Now, over three thousand episodes all over a trademark issue.

00:05:03.620 That is weird.

00:05:06.220 Not going to get into the weeds over this, but there was a trademark dispute on one episode.

00:05:12.720 They let us know on, I think, June 29th.

00:05:17.800 It was resolved within hours.

00:05:20.640 We're like, not really.

00:05:22.020 Now, if that is the reason that's one episode, we resolved it with them within hours.

00:05:31.020 In hours, why would you, why would you remove over three thousand episodes for a dispute with one?

00:05:41.400 It's a great question.

00:05:42.960 Unless you were the one filing the dispute saying someone's using my name.

00:05:46.720 There's no real reason to pull the episodes.

00:05:48.600 Yeah, don't pull those.

00:05:49.540 Yeah, no, of course not.

00:05:51.020 It doesn't explain why they would remove the entire catalog.

00:05:55.840 At least to me, it doesn't.

00:05:58.340 Apple still has not responded to that.

00:06:02.140 Yesterday is a prime example where I learned firsthand why the blaze is so important.

00:06:10.420 I learned the power of these middlemen.

00:06:15.460 If you're a conservative, the threat of deplatforming is always there.

00:06:20.820 Even in the background, like the sword of Damocles.

00:06:26.380 Is that how you say his name?

00:06:27.380 Damocles.

00:06:27.960 You remember the guy who was holding the sword over the head?

00:06:31.240 This is why we built the blaze.

00:06:34.280 I'm not going to have a sword over my head.

00:06:37.740 Not going to do it.

00:06:38.840 The show is always available on blaze TV.

00:06:44.340 I've told you in the past we need a direct relationship with you.

00:06:48.660 I ask you, please subscribe if you haven't already.

00:06:52.220 We have built a pirate ship.

00:06:54.840 Get on the ship.

00:06:57.280 I may be this.

00:06:58.960 Companies like Apple and Google and Meta can shut down your speech, our speech, literally with a keystroke.

00:07:08.840 The elites have always wanted to control what you see and what you hear.

00:07:13.100 Now, big tech is giving them the means to do it.

00:07:16.320 They have done this to several of us.

00:07:20.120 Since the Republicans have had Congress, they've been a little more shy.

00:07:25.520 But I will tell you, yesterday would have been a loss of about 3 million views.

00:07:35.020 If you're not getting the podcast from Apple, if that's where you normally go, there's about 3 million people that do that every day.

00:07:44.100 Uh, that's a problem.

00:07:47.100 That's a real problem.

00:07:49.040 If we lose touch with 3 million people.

00:07:52.060 Please, join our ranks.

00:07:56.960 We become stronger and we have more ability to resist big tech censorship and deliver the truth to the American people.

00:08:05.080 We want to be everywhere.

00:08:07.860 Everywhere anyone can possibly listen.

00:08:11.020 Because our target audience is everyone.

00:08:13.840 But our subscribers allow us to be truly independent.

00:08:18.820 So, if you're already a Blaze TV subscriber, thank you.

00:08:22.580 You are what, honestly, when that happened yesterday, there was no warning.

00:08:27.940 There have been no strikes.

00:08:29.080 There was nothing.

00:08:29.700 Just gone.

00:08:31.160 And everybody started pouring into my office going, Glenn, you're off Apple.

00:08:34.740 What happened?

00:08:36.100 I'm like, I don't know what happened.

00:08:37.240 What are you talking about off Apple?

00:08:39.460 Completely deleted the entire library.

00:08:42.080 Kind of your life flashes in front of your eyes.

00:08:45.100 And you're like, holy cow.

00:08:47.740 Are we going to be able to get messages to our audience?

00:08:51.040 Thank God Elon is at Twitter or X.

00:08:55.300 I like what he's doing with the censorship stuff.

00:08:57.280 Just not as much the naming stuff.

00:08:58.880 Yeah, I know.

00:08:59.480 But, I mean, it is important.

00:09:00.540 Like, you know, this one is pseudo-resolved.

00:09:03.920 I mean, you know, again, I put pseudo in there because only about half the episodes seem to be there.

00:09:08.420 But, okay, maybe who knows what that is.

00:09:11.160 My point, though, is that there's going to be a time where these things come off and they don't come back.

00:09:15.580 They don't come back.

00:09:16.480 And if we don't have contact with you, you won't know.

00:09:22.060 You won't know.

00:09:23.680 You won't know what happened to us if we don't have a direct line to you.

00:09:29.060 So, please, this is the biggest discount we've offered ever.

00:09:33.140 It will not be censored.

00:09:34.700 It will save you $30 off your one-year subscription when you use it at checkout.

00:09:38.920 We need you with us now more than ever.

00:09:41.720 I will tell you that I think something is – there's just a lot of things in my life that it's always a trend.

00:09:49.880 You know, when you're getting close to doing something really, really big, and I don't know what that is.

00:09:55.420 But when you're getting close to doing something big, there's all kinds of problems that keep cropping up, and we're in that kind of a period right now.

00:10:03.880 And I just said to a friend of mine who is coming in to work with me today, I said,

00:10:09.820 I have a feeling we're on the verge of something.

00:10:14.920 I don't know what it is, but my gosh, look at this string of coincidence.

00:10:22.080 Now, yesterday – I don't know if this had anything to do with it, but yesterday's podcast was,

00:10:27.940 who's the real crime family, Trump or Biden?

00:10:31.240 We are over the target on this, and we're not going to let it go.

00:10:40.700 So please join us.

00:10:42.900 By the way, when they restore the show in its entirety, then you can let up on Apple on X.

00:10:53.060 That's when you can go in and say, all right, Apple did the right thing.

00:10:58.060 But so far, 1,915 podcasts have been restored, and we are over 3,000.

00:11:05.820 It's about 33 and change.

00:11:08.580 So what's happening?

00:11:11.580 Now, this is something that I talked about in Dark Future,

00:11:19.460 and I want to read what I wrote just recently because it applies directly to this.

00:11:28.540 This is the example of what I was talking about in Dark Future, and it applies to you.

00:11:35.460 Important question coming in from our listeners, Glenn, here is,

00:11:38.460 why is Glenn talking about his podcast in the voice of Count Chocula?

00:11:43.100 And I thought that was an interesting question.

00:11:45.020 There will be no questions here.

00:11:46.700 From Dark Future, Chapter 5.

00:11:51.080 In the future, you will own nothing.

00:11:53.620 This is from my new book, Chapter 5.

00:11:56.700 To most, the idea of not knowing anything probably seems like a far-off concept,

00:12:02.160 especially when you think about it through the lens of capitalistic,

00:12:05.920 consumer-centric culture that we now live in.

00:12:08.860 How could we possibly shift toward a society like the one that's described in the

00:12:14.300 You'll Own Nothing article?

00:12:15.760 The answer is gradually, then all at once.

00:12:20.780 I say this with confidence because we already see this trend playing out in a number of industries.

00:12:26.300 For example, one aspect of our economy where the idea of owning nothing has developed the fastest

00:12:32.780 is in the entertainment industry.

00:12:35.500 I then highlight the dangers in the book of not owning physical media by talking about the rise of popularity in streaming services like Netflix and Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

00:12:57.940 And I write,

00:12:58.880 The data printed onto a disc or recorded on a cassette are there permanently.

00:13:04.480 If the physical media remains undamaged, I'll have access to that data forever.

00:13:10.840 This is not the case when dealing with streaming services.

00:13:14.240 The data for the movie as it exists on a streaming service servers, like those owned by Netflix, are fluid.

00:13:21.200 At any time, Netflix could take down Top Gun.

00:13:25.280 Its copyright owners could alter the movie, and then Netflix could upload it, re-upload it, without any warning to the consumer at home.

00:13:33.260 They can do this because you don't own the content.

00:13:36.960 They do.

00:13:37.700 Later in the same chapter, I wrote,

00:13:44.140 The music and podcast streaming service Spotify also has moderated content due to the social pressure.

00:13:51.340 Podcasting giant Joe Rogan had more than 100 episodes removed by Spotify because of an alleged instance of misinformation,

00:13:59.440 which included dangerous things like interviewing Dr. Robert Malone, a scientist who helped develop the mRNA vaccines.

00:14:07.700 Don't expect the censors to stop there.

00:14:12.280 Later, I wrote in the book,

00:14:14.040 The point of all of this is to say,

00:14:16.520 When you don't own physical media, that media is susceptible to change.

00:14:22.620 The corporations that do own the media can do whatever they want with it.

00:14:27.940 If a show contains a joke that is considered too cruel or tasteless by current societal norms, delete it.

00:14:34.160 If a movie's depiction of a person, gender, orientation, or race is no longer socially acceptable, change it.

00:14:40.600 If you hold a movie, show, or even a piece of music near and dear to your heart,

00:14:47.080 you might want to consider owning a physical copy.

00:14:51.740 Because nothing is stopping the corporation that owns it from altering or destroying it completely,

00:14:57.160 if the political winds blow hard enough.

00:15:00.800 Now, you might be thinking, as the reader of this book,

00:15:04.920 Glenn, why are you spending so much time talking about movies and streaming services?

00:15:09.360 I picked up this book to read about the future in the World Economic Forum.

00:15:13.640 What does this have to do with property rights and private ownership?

00:15:16.400 Think about what control these corporations have over your media when you don't own it.

00:15:24.400 Then imagine what they could do in a world where you don't own anything

00:15:28.620 and the corporation and governments own everything.

00:15:33.560 What happened yesterday with the Apple podcast on my program is exactly why ownership matters.

00:15:42.080 It is exactly why elites in the Biden administration, Davos, Wall Street firms like BlackRock,

00:15:48.640 want to consolidate property.

00:15:52.960 That's why they need ownership.

00:15:57.680 It's why the government is so eager to work hand-in-hand with giant corporations.

00:16:02.180 If you don't own the platform, the media, the news, or opinion product,

00:16:07.660 then you don't control it.

00:16:09.660 It can be altered without any warning.

00:16:12.080 Like it was yesterday, deleted from history, thousands of episodes,

00:16:17.660 over a decade of my work, for no real reason.

00:16:23.920 They can cancel it.

00:16:27.460 This is the future that is being imposed on the world.

00:16:31.080 And if you don't understand it,

00:16:33.300 the day will soon come when the only voices you hear

00:16:37.000 are approved by the ruling class and corporate elites.

00:16:42.080 Please join us at Blaze TV.

00:16:47.160 Please join us.

00:16:48.780 By the way, I just have to say thank you to a couple of people.

00:16:53.720 It was really remarkable, all of the people that came out yesterday to help.

00:17:01.800 Looks like I may have to go elsewhere to listen to podcasts

00:17:04.540 if Apple is going to remove Glenn Beck's program from the podcast.

00:17:07.860 A whole lot of us are going to say,

00:17:09.120 we found issue with Apple.

00:17:10.800 From Mike Lee, he followed it up with,

00:17:12.800 Glenn Beck having such a large audience,

00:17:14.500 you'd think Apple would be reluctant to take this step.

00:17:17.020 Sometimes such behavior can be observed with companies

00:17:20.180 that face so little competition in a particular field

00:17:23.200 that they don't fear alienating millions of customers.

00:17:27.220 J.D. Vance also said,

00:17:28.740 need some answers from Apple ASAP.

00:17:31.380 This looks like an awful lot like a major American corporation

00:17:34.680 engaging in election interference.

00:17:37.380 Donald Trump Jr. said,

00:17:38.560 big tech censorship is the biggest threat to free speech

00:17:41.620 and free expression in America.

00:17:43.740 Apple's now engaging in open election interference

00:17:46.920 by censoring Glenn Beck for telling the truth

00:17:49.940 about Joe Biden's corruption.

00:17:52.440 Jeremy Boring from the Daily Wire wrote,

00:17:54.680 this must be a mistake.

00:17:55.800 Glenn is one of the best men in the business

00:17:57.620 and perhaps the greatest living broadcaster.

00:18:00.240 Well, he said living.

00:18:01.680 So he said that.

00:18:03.320 I was like, good God.

00:18:04.300 That's really sad.

00:18:05.940 And I saw that comment.

00:18:08.680 I was like, oh, that's crazy.

00:18:10.240 Wait a minute.

00:18:11.460 Wait a minute.

00:18:12.600 Ed Krasenstein, who noted he disagrees with me

00:18:15.960 much of the time, said,

00:18:17.680 conservative commentator Glenn Beck

00:18:19.420 has reportedly been banned from Apple iTunes

00:18:22.040 without any explanation.

00:18:24.180 First, I must say, I completely disagree

00:18:26.480 with so much of what Glenn Beck has to say.

00:18:29.340 And I think a lot of his politics are absurd.

00:18:31.840 With that said, if Beck actually has been banned

00:18:34.500 merely for voicing his free speech,

00:18:36.640 I think it's wrong of Apple to do.

00:18:38.540 It'll be interesting to see what reason Apple gives

00:18:41.140 for this banning or if it was done by mistake.

00:18:44.020 I'm unaware of any recent major controversy

00:18:46.600 or hateful over-the-top message

00:18:48.200 that Beck has spread over the airwaves.

00:18:49.960 Yeah, we haven't had one of those in like two weeks.

00:18:51.360 I know.

00:18:52.280 So what's the problem?

00:18:53.380 But thank you for that.

00:18:54.700 We have to return to the country

00:18:56.880 that my father always held up to me and said,

00:19:00.220 you know, I so disagree with what you're saying,

00:19:03.760 but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.

00:19:07.760 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program,

00:19:09.740 and we really want to thank you for listening.

00:19:12.260 I want to start with a story

00:19:15.500 that is up in glennbeck.com,

00:19:17.360 and it is all about you.

00:19:20.440 The wildfire that raged across Maui

00:19:23.200 became the deadliest fire in U.S. history,

00:19:25.780 claiming more than 100 lives.

00:19:27.880 I think that number is going to go up.

00:19:30.440 As search and rescue missions continue

00:19:32.140 throughout the burnt remains of the historic town Lahaina,

00:19:36.040 in times of profound tragedy,

00:19:38.980 Glenn's audience has rallied around those

00:19:41.040 enduring profound need and suffering

00:19:43.360 through generous giving.

00:19:45.700 On air this week,

00:19:46.960 Glenn rallied the troops again

00:19:48.240 to support the grieving communities in Maui,

00:19:50.720 challenging his audience to raise more money

00:19:52.880 than the U.S. government aid package.

00:19:55.460 And you're doing just this.

00:19:57.100 I want you to listen to this.

00:19:58.940 As of 8.52 p.m. yesterday,

00:20:02.540 you, Glenn's audience,

00:20:04.240 raised $472,824

00:20:08.420 for the people of Maui

00:20:10.880 via Glenn's nonprofit Mercury One.

00:20:13.740 That's nearly half a million dollars

00:20:15.880 raised within the first couple of days

00:20:18.820 to our call of action

00:20:19.960 to match the government's aid package,

00:20:22.320 which has now been raised

00:20:24.620 to a whopping $2.3 million through FEMA.

00:20:28.080 That means this audience alone

00:20:30.220 has done one-fifth of the lifting

00:20:33.540 the entire FEMA and United States government

00:20:36.780 has done.

00:20:37.840 One-fifth.

00:20:40.200 All of those proceeds,

00:20:42.220 every single penny,

00:20:43.920 will go towards the residents

00:20:45.360 as they grieve and rebuild

00:20:46.880 in the tough days ahead.

00:20:48.260 Through your committed support,

00:20:51.720 we are well on its way,

00:20:53.420 our way to surpassing

00:20:54.800 the government's package.

00:20:56.440 This is something that I said

00:20:58.440 when I first started Mercury One.

00:21:00.180 If we want the government to do less,

00:21:02.560 then we have to do more.

00:21:04.940 I would love

00:21:06.600 if this audience,

00:21:07.980 we'll never be recognized for it,

00:21:09.520 but it doesn't matter.

00:21:10.720 We're not doing it for that.

00:21:11.700 I would love to be able to say

00:21:13.960 that this audience

00:21:15.700 raised more for Maui

00:21:18.640 than the federal government did.

00:21:21.440 Why do we need

00:21:22.460 the federal government involved

00:21:24.200 in all of our lives?

00:21:26.620 Now, yesterday,

00:21:28.140 so you know,

00:21:29.600 our website was hacked into,

00:21:31.900 and Apple dropped my podcast.

00:21:35.880 So all of this was done yesterday

00:21:38.420 just on the power of the radio program

00:21:40.900 or people listening on other things

00:21:43.040 other than Apple,

00:21:45.100 the radio,

00:21:46.240 Blaze TV,

00:21:47.620 and other than Apple,

00:21:50.160 podcast listeners.

00:21:52.760 We can do so much more,

00:21:55.920 and I want to tell you

00:21:56.980 how bad things

00:21:58.460 really truly are.

00:22:02.180 I got a note yesterday

00:22:04.280 from somebody,

00:22:06.900 and they said,

00:22:08.240 Glenn, I just got this

00:22:09.160 about 10 minutes ago.

00:22:10.000 Things are deteriorating rapidly.

00:22:12.720 We have a corporate accountant

00:22:14.340 who does a lot of business

00:22:16.860 in Lahaina.

00:22:18.420 I sent him a clip

00:22:19.220 of a girl talking about

00:22:20.080 what was happening there.

00:22:21.420 Here was his response.

00:22:23.140 Total disaster

00:22:24.260 in every way.

00:22:26.380 Fire hydrants

00:22:27.140 did not work.

00:22:28.780 No one was evacuated.

00:22:30.500 No police or fire crew

00:22:32.080 helping evacuate.

00:22:33.660 I can't even file

00:22:34.900 insurance claims

00:22:36.100 for 20 businesses

00:22:37.000 businesses

00:22:37.580 as the area

00:22:38.900 is locked down

00:22:39.880 by National Guard,

00:22:41.100 so insurance

00:22:41.860 injustors

00:22:42.560 can't even observe

00:22:43.780 the ruins

00:22:44.500 in person.

00:22:45.420 Question mark,

00:22:46.280 question mark,

00:22:46.860 question mark.

00:22:48.320 No claim

00:22:49.400 can be filed,

00:22:50.580 question mark.

00:22:51.880 I've been dealing

00:22:52.880 with this all week,

00:22:54.260 and I'm told

00:22:54.700 their bodies everywhere,

00:22:56.100 and for a week

00:22:56.700 they've been hiding

00:22:57.360 the death toll.

00:22:58.640 No local leadership.

00:23:00.520 Maui,

00:23:01.060 now taken over

00:23:01.860 by the feds,

00:23:03.180 none of these people

00:23:04.340 will have enough money

00:23:05.380 to rebuild.

00:23:06.260 Too expensive

00:23:06.940 as everything

00:23:07.640 has to be

00:23:08.320 new building codes,

00:23:10.520 that'll mean rich people

00:23:11.820 will buy the land

00:23:12.840 and will be even

00:23:13.740 less housing

00:23:14.540 for locals.

00:23:15.740 It will end up

00:23:16.680 being the worst

00:23:17.180 natural disaster

00:23:18.060 in our history.

00:23:19.540 95% of the island

00:23:21.300 is untouched by this.

00:23:23.480 A rebuild of Lahaina

00:23:24.840 will take 10 years.

00:23:26.520 The cleanup alone

00:23:27.260 will take 2-3 years,

00:23:28.720 as there is no

00:23:29.920 infrastructure

00:23:30.680 or labor

00:23:31.560 to do it.

00:23:33.320 That's the note

00:23:34.380 I received

00:23:35.240 last night.

00:23:37.060 I want you to know

00:23:38.380 that because of you,

00:23:40.500 we are already

00:23:42.140 doing amazing things.

00:23:45.880 We have

00:23:46.720 Operation Barbecue Relief,

00:23:48.540 Samaritan's Purse,

00:23:49.700 Operation Blessing,

00:23:50.900 ITDRC,

00:23:52.720 Harvest Church,

00:23:54.060 which,

00:23:54.420 that's Greg Laurie's

00:23:55.500 church in California,

00:23:56.540 but he also has

00:23:57.200 Sister Church in Maui.

00:23:58.980 Drew Friedrich,

00:23:59.900 Chief Operating Officer,

00:24:01.620 I got a note from him

00:24:02.400 from Operation Blessing,

00:24:03.600 he said,

00:24:04.940 I want you to know

00:24:06.000 you are the first

00:24:06.940 organization on the ground

00:24:08.100 to provide aid.

00:24:10.260 Operation Blessing,

00:24:11.840 we have helped them

00:24:13.720 to get there.

00:24:17.400 Let's see,

00:24:18.380 Samaritan's Purse,

00:24:19.820 they wrote in,

00:24:21.380 thank you,

00:24:22.340 thank you,

00:24:22.900 thank you,

00:24:23.540 the generosity

00:24:24.400 of your audience

00:24:25.600 in Mercury One,

00:24:27.060 which has helped us

00:24:28.040 airlift 17 tons

00:24:29.640 of supplies

00:24:30.340 supplies to Maui

00:24:32.260 in the wake

00:24:32.840 of the deadliest fire.

00:24:34.500 Supplies on that DC-8

00:24:35.880 cargo aircraft

00:24:36.880 include hygiene kits,

00:24:38.120 solar lights,

00:24:38.760 cooking kits,

00:24:39.800 plastic tarp,

00:24:40.680 equipment needed

00:24:41.420 for us

00:24:42.000 to help in the aftermath

00:24:43.560 of this disaster

00:24:44.700 as residents are allowed

00:24:45.760 to return to their communities.

00:24:47.740 Samaritan's Purse volunteers

00:24:49.000 will help homeowners

00:24:50.280 sift through the ashes

00:24:51.520 for any sentimental

00:24:52.480 keepsakes

00:24:54.280 that may have survived

00:24:55.380 the flames.

00:24:56.100 also Operation Barbecue Relief

00:24:58.460 is there

00:24:59.000 and they provide food,

00:25:00.920 hot food,

00:25:01.940 for any of the workers

00:25:03.840 and also any of the families

00:25:05.680 who have been displaced.

00:25:08.580 Thank you,

00:25:09.860 thank you,

00:25:11.140 thank you.

00:25:12.600 The attack on our website

00:25:14.380 did not slow you down

00:25:16.080 yesterday

00:25:16.580 and I find it interesting

00:25:17.860 that two things

00:25:20.260 happened yesterday.

00:25:21.640 As I just said,

00:25:23.580 we want to raise

00:25:25.420 more money

00:25:26.200 than the federal government

00:25:27.420 because we want them

00:25:28.140 to do less.

00:25:29.400 As I was in that commercial,

00:25:32.180 went into that commercial break,

00:25:34.880 hackers hacked into

00:25:37.440 mercury1.org

00:25:39.780 and took the entire site down.

00:25:43.240 Luckily,

00:25:43.680 we have a very good security team

00:25:45.740 and it went right back up

00:25:47.980 probably within an hour or so.

00:25:50.500 But our staff over at Mercury1

00:25:52.520 just started taking phone calls,

00:25:54.280 people making donations.

00:25:57.340 This is one

00:25:58.300 that we really want

00:25:59.400 to be

00:25:59.980 helpful with

00:26:02.320 because these are not

00:26:03.720 rich people on Hawaii.

00:26:05.200 This is a

00:26:05.780 local

00:26:07.060 historic town

00:26:09.540 and what's being done to it

00:26:11.780 I think you can find

00:26:13.400 in Dark Future,

00:26:14.720 the book that I wrote.

00:26:15.960 But let me just give you

00:26:17.040 the facts

00:26:17.900 of what happened

00:26:19.580 because it is

00:26:21.380 not what's being

00:26:22.720 reported.

00:26:24.080 So I want to give you

00:26:24.840 something from

00:26:25.620 the

00:26:26.060 von Mises

00:26:27.520 people.

00:26:29.100 This is from

00:26:29.520 Mises.org.

00:26:30.540 I think it is

00:26:31.600 such a great

00:26:33.840 article that I should

00:26:34.880 read it

00:26:35.460 verbatim.

00:26:36.780 The most destructive

00:26:38.160 natural disasters

00:26:39.560 are never

00:26:41.200 100%

00:26:42.560 natural.

00:26:44.120 Human

00:26:44.560 choices,

00:26:45.740 land use,

00:26:46.480 and government

00:26:47.340 policies play

00:26:48.260 a big role

00:26:49.160 in how harmful

00:26:50.100 hurricanes,

00:26:50.900 tornadoes,

00:26:51.560 earthquakes,

00:26:52.080 flash floods,

00:26:52.780 and wildfires

00:26:53.540 are to affect

00:26:55.260 communities.

00:26:56.700 Though the details

00:26:57.940 are still emerging,

00:26:59.400 it has become

00:27:00.020 clear that

00:27:00.880 government failure

00:27:02.120 did much

00:27:03.160 to make this

00:27:04.020 disaster worse

00:27:05.220 and possibly

00:27:06.680 even started it.

00:27:08.860 While the

00:27:09.480 so-called

00:27:10.000 experts are

00:27:10.900 blaming climate

00:27:11.840 change and

00:27:12.620 in the process

00:27:13.400 demanding that

00:27:14.340 government grab

00:27:15.480 even more power

00:27:16.720 and authority

00:27:17.500 to someday

00:27:18.900 give us

00:27:19.500 better weather,

00:27:21.080 the destructiveness

00:27:21.880 of this fire

00:27:22.640 was the product

00:27:23.460 of an all-powerful

00:27:24.840 and all-incompetent

00:27:26.580 regime.

00:27:28.280 The specific

00:27:29.020 origins of this

00:27:30.020 fire are still

00:27:30.820 being investigated,

00:27:31.640 but there is

00:27:33.080 much we already

00:27:34.340 know.

00:27:35.280 The city of

00:27:36.040 Lahaina sits

00:27:36.760 on the west

00:27:37.220 coast of

00:27:37.860 Maui, Hawaii's

00:27:38.720 second largest

00:27:39.360 island.

00:27:40.000 It's surrounded

00:27:40.600 by grassland,

00:27:42.500 much of which

00:27:43.480 is owned

00:27:44.420 by the state.

00:27:46.060 This is really

00:27:46.940 important.

00:27:48.300 Nearly a decade

00:27:49.000 ago, Hawaii

00:27:50.060 Wildlife Management

00:27:51.360 Organization,

00:27:52.220 a research

00:27:52.720 non-profit,

00:27:53.640 warned the

00:27:54.140 Hawaiian government

00:27:55.060 that the area

00:27:56.340 around Lahaina

00:27:57.360 was extremely

00:27:59.060 fire-prone due

00:28:00.580 to frequent

00:28:01.400 downslope winds,

00:28:03.080 steep terrain,

00:28:04.060 and dry grass.

00:28:06.060 Little to

00:28:06.740 nothing was

00:28:07.620 done by the

00:28:08.660 state government

00:28:09.380 to address

00:28:10.020 these risks.

00:28:11.280 A subsequent

00:28:11.900 report in

00:28:12.720 2020 added

00:28:14.240 that an

00:28:14.760 invasive species

00:28:15.940 of exceptionally

00:28:17.100 flammable grass

00:28:18.400 was prevalent

00:28:19.400 in the

00:28:19.960 surrounding fields

00:28:21.040 and that

00:28:21.520 passing hurricanes

00:28:22.660 created strong

00:28:23.820 winds known

00:28:25.060 to fuel

00:28:25.800 wildfires on

00:28:27.160 the islands.

00:28:28.820 Early last

00:28:29.680 week,

00:28:30.560 Hurricane Dora

00:28:31.480 crossed the

00:28:32.380 ocean south

00:28:33.440 of Hawaii.

00:28:34.760 By early

00:28:35.360 Tuesday morning,

00:28:36.540 August 8,

00:28:37.400 winds as fast

00:28:38.300 as 60 miles

00:28:39.140 an hour were

00:28:39.760 blowing down

00:28:40.380 the slopes

00:28:40.980 of West Maui

00:28:42.080 mountains into

00:28:43.240 Lahaina.

00:28:44.560 Around sunrise,

00:28:47.360 a large fault

00:28:48.800 was detected

00:28:50.100 in the power

00:28:51.060 grid,

00:28:52.040 indicating a

00:28:53.260 downed power

00:28:54.320 line.

00:28:55.540 Twenty minutes

00:28:56.260 later,

00:28:56.820 the first reports

00:28:57.820 of fire came

00:28:58.840 in from an

00:28:59.400 area around

00:29:00.500 the road,

00:29:01.500 uphill and

00:29:02.140 upwind from

00:29:03.020 the city.

00:29:04.280 The area where

00:29:05.140 flames were

00:29:05.680 first spotted

00:29:06.520 is full of

00:29:08.260 electrical

00:29:08.900 infrastructure,

00:29:10.200 mostly operated

00:29:11.740 by Hawaiian

00:29:12.980 Electric,

00:29:14.140 the state's

00:29:15.240 monopoly

00:29:16.040 electricity

00:29:17.080 supplier.

00:29:18.640 This included

00:29:19.480 a substation

00:29:20.560 and a multitude

00:29:22.000 of power lines.

00:29:23.940 Most of the

00:29:24.580 land in the area

00:29:25.480 is owned by

00:29:26.500 the state of

00:29:27.060 Hawaii except

00:29:27.800 for a parcel

00:29:28.520 belonging to the 0.97

00:29:29.320 estate of one

00:29:30.160 of Hawaii's

00:29:30.740 last princesses.

00:29:32.220 This parcel

00:29:33.340 housed on a

00:29:34.600 solar farm

00:29:35.460 supplying

00:29:36.420 electricity to

00:29:37.640 the Hawaiian

00:29:38.200 electric substation.

00:29:40.240 Early last

00:29:41.000 year,

00:29:41.420 NPR published

00:29:42.280 a glowing

00:29:42.920 article about

00:29:43.700 the solar

00:29:44.100 project,

00:29:44.820 praising it

00:29:46.500 as the

00:29:46.940 direct result

00:29:47.600 of government

00:29:48.300 regulation

00:29:49.000 crafted to

00:29:49.860 help transition

00:29:50.600 Hawaii to

00:29:51.300 100% renewable

00:29:52.880 power by

00:29:54.020 2045.

00:29:55.720 But,

00:29:56.240 on the

00:29:56.880 morning of

00:29:57.380 August 8,

00:29:58.440 as winds

00:29:59.180 hammered the

00:30:00.060 old wooden

00:30:00.660 utility poles,

00:30:02.340 this highly

00:30:03.140 electrified area

00:30:04.620 in the dry

00:30:05.620 grasses above

00:30:06.880 Lahaina was

00:30:07.980 quickly becoming

00:30:08.940 dangerous,

00:30:09.900 yet no formal

00:30:11.100 procedure was

00:30:12.120 in place to

00:30:13.160 shut off sections

00:30:14.240 of the grid in

00:30:15.400 the face of

00:30:16.140 severe fire

00:30:16.980 risks.

00:30:17.980 As a result,

00:30:19.320 29 fully

00:30:20.700 energized poles

00:30:22.180 fell across

00:30:23.560 West Maui

00:30:24.820 that day.

00:30:25.980 Say that

00:30:26.480 again,

00:30:27.520 29 fully

00:30:30.880 energized

00:30:31.800 electrical poles.

00:30:34.000 Have you ever

00:30:34.540 seen one of

00:30:35.000 those go down?

00:30:35.660 they tend

00:30:37.380 to throw

00:30:37.860 sparks.

00:30:39.740 Even with

00:30:40.480 the down

00:30:41.020 poles in

00:30:41.740 the way,

00:30:42.280 the first

00:30:42.680 firefighters on

00:30:43.560 the scene

00:30:44.040 met with

00:30:44.660 some early

00:30:45.220 success.

00:30:45.900 Around 9

00:30:46.400 a.m.,

00:30:47.040 the county

00:30:47.860 fire department

00:30:48.600 declared the

00:30:49.240 fire 100%

00:30:50.680 contained.

00:30:51.820 But the

00:30:52.320 message to

00:30:52.920 residents

00:30:53.400 included an

00:30:54.240 ominous

00:30:54.720 request.

00:30:56.160 The county's

00:30:56.840 water pumps

00:30:57.700 were powered

00:30:58.620 by electricity,

00:31:00.700 much of which

00:31:01.740 was frantically

00:31:02.660 being turned

00:31:03.520 off to

00:31:04.120 deactivate the

00:31:05.280 down lines.

00:31:06.880 Officials

00:31:07.380 asked the

00:31:07.900 public to

00:31:08.380 conserve water

00:31:09.280 to preserve

00:31:10.220 water pressure.

00:31:12.120 But by

00:31:12.560 mid-afternoon,

00:31:13.860 a flare-up

00:31:14.520 brought the

00:31:15.180 fire back to

00:31:16.060 life on the

00:31:16.720 Lahaina bypass,

00:31:18.220 a major road

00:31:18.960 that heads

00:31:19.420 straight into

00:31:19.960 town.

00:31:20.840 The flames

00:31:21.420 moved swiftly

00:31:22.700 into Lahaina

00:31:23.620 at 4.46 p.m.

00:31:25.680 one minute

00:31:26.780 after the

00:31:27.680 county government

00:31:28.400 finally set out

00:31:29.620 an alert to

00:31:30.480 warn the city's

00:31:31.260 population

00:31:31.860 largely without

00:31:33.460 power about

00:31:34.660 the flare-up

00:31:35.480 that had

00:31:35.860 occurred over

00:31:36.760 an hour before.

00:31:38.380 To make

00:31:38.800 matters worse,

00:31:40.080 county officials

00:31:40.840 failed to

00:31:41.740 activate emergency

00:31:43.000 sirens,

00:31:44.260 leaving residents

00:31:45.260 unaware of the

00:31:46.420 danger bearing

00:31:47.220 down on them.

00:31:48.600 And as

00:31:49.060 firefighters

00:31:49.640 heroically rushed

00:31:50.980 toward the

00:31:51.860 flame and

00:31:52.440 trying to save

00:31:53.060 their own

00:31:53.460 community,

00:31:54.420 they found

00:31:54.940 that there was

00:31:55.440 little to no

00:31:56.260 water pressure

00:31:57.100 in the fire

00:31:57.920 hydrants,

00:31:58.820 which quickly

00:31:59.620 ran dry.

00:32:01.260 So far I

00:32:03.800 haven't heard

00:32:04.240 anything about

00:32:04.780 global warming.

00:32:06.660 With a single

00:32:07.760 backed up

00:32:08.380 highway leading

00:32:09.460 out of the

00:32:10.140 city,

00:32:10.500 many residents

00:32:11.260 of Lahaina

00:32:11.980 had nowhere

00:32:13.120 to go.

00:32:14.180 Some scrambled

00:32:14.900 into the ocean

00:32:16.020 to escape the

00:32:16.980 smoke and the

00:32:17.640 flames,

00:32:18.320 but in the

00:32:19.000 end,

00:32:19.500 many couldn't

00:32:20.440 get out.

00:32:21.340 At least

00:32:21.780 99 people

00:32:22.920 have been

00:32:23.280 confirmed dead,

00:32:24.820 and as of

00:32:25.220 this writing,

00:32:26.120 making this

00:32:26.640 the deadly

00:32:27.120 American wildfire

00:32:28.160 in over a

00:32:28.660 century,

00:32:29.580 in addition,

00:32:30.140 2,207

00:32:32.160 buildings were

00:32:32.940 destroyed,

00:32:33.520 with property

00:32:34.040 damages expected

00:32:35.040 to reach

00:32:35.500 $5.5 billion.

00:32:37.920 To review,

00:32:39.620 a power

00:32:40.180 company shielded

00:32:41.640 from competition

00:32:42.560 by the state

00:32:43.640 placed electrical

00:32:45.200 infrastructure among

00:32:46.780 highly flammable

00:32:48.080 state-owned

00:32:49.060 grass fields

00:32:50.180 above the

00:32:51.220 historic city

00:32:52.600 of Lahaina,

00:32:54.020 which the

00:32:54.740 government was

00:32:55.520 twice warned

00:32:57.020 were highly

00:32:57.840 susceptible to

00:32:58.800 fire,

00:32:59.320 and once

00:33:00.500 fire broke

00:33:01.300 out,

00:33:02.000 a combination

00:33:02.520 of defective

00:33:03.660 water

00:33:04.120 infrastructure,

00:33:05.500 terrible

00:33:05.960 communication

00:33:06.740 by government

00:33:07.600 officials,

00:33:08.160 and only one

00:33:09.540 escape route

00:33:10.300 doomed the

00:33:11.220 people of

00:33:11.820 Lahaina to

00:33:12.400 the worst

00:33:12.800 wildfire

00:33:13.420 experienced in

00:33:14.160 this country

00:33:14.600 in over a

00:33:15.160 hundred years.

00:33:16.720 This was

00:33:17.880 government

00:33:18.580 failure

00:33:19.500 through and

00:33:20.620 through.

00:33:21.680 In human

00:33:22.620 action,

00:33:23.320 Ludwig von

00:33:24.220 Mises explains

00:33:25.300 that on the

00:33:26.480 market,

00:33:26.940 the ultimate

00:33:28.420 source of

00:33:29.100 profits is

00:33:30.180 foresight,

00:33:31.440 the ability

00:33:32.320 to anticipate

00:33:33.380 future

00:33:34.180 conditions,

00:33:35.420 and economic

00:33:36.440 loss occurs

00:33:37.700 when market

00:33:38.880 actors fail

00:33:40.020 to anticipate

00:33:40.960 the future.

00:33:41.860 The possibility

00:33:43.000 of riches

00:33:43.760 if one succeeds

00:33:44.960 and the

00:33:45.660 guarantee

00:33:46.180 of painful

00:33:47.500 failures

00:33:48.240 if one

00:33:48.760 doesn't,

00:33:49.620 forces producers

00:33:50.820 and service

00:33:51.680 providers on

00:33:52.440 the market

00:33:52.940 to constantly

00:33:54.300 weigh risks

00:33:55.300 and opportunities.

00:33:57.260 Government,

00:33:58.360 however,

00:33:59.500 immunizes itself

00:34:00.760 from the

00:34:01.220 profit and

00:34:01.940 loss system

00:34:02.780 and therefore

00:34:03.480 from much

00:34:04.700 of the need

00:34:05.580 to weigh

00:34:06.140 risk.

00:34:07.420 Sure,

00:34:07.920 some county

00:34:08.440 officials may

00:34:09.080 resign because

00:34:09.860 of this,

00:34:10.660 and the share

00:34:11.280 price of

00:34:12.020 Hawaiian electric

00:34:12.960 may dip,

00:34:13.900 but the people

00:34:14.680 of Maui will

00:34:15.420 be forced to

00:34:16.300 keep compensating

00:34:17.480 the very

00:34:18.220 organizations that

00:34:19.420 have failed

00:34:19.980 them,

00:34:20.560 and there is

00:34:21.160 nothing natural

00:34:22.180 about that kind

00:34:23.180 of a disaster.

00:34:23.920 Now,

00:34:25.800 I want you

00:34:26.740 to take this

00:34:27.320 beyond Maui.

00:34:30.760 Why are we

00:34:31.920 still in the

00:34:32.800 financial troubles

00:34:33.840 that we were

00:34:34.760 in in 08?

00:34:35.800 Why are we

00:34:36.480 still looking

00:34:37.540 at banking

00:34:38.400 collapses?

00:34:39.960 I'll tell you

00:34:40.560 why.

00:34:41.380 Because the

00:34:42.060 banks weren't

00:34:42.780 held responsible.

00:34:44.480 No one felt

00:34:45.620 the actual

00:34:46.700 pain

00:34:47.480 except you.

00:34:50.000 Why are

00:34:51.000 our

00:34:51.540 schools

00:34:52.900 failing us

00:34:54.060 because the

00:34:55.200 teachers unions

00:34:56.160 are in bed

00:34:57.200 with the

00:34:57.600 Department of

00:34:58.220 Education,

00:34:58.760 and no one

00:35:00.180 is held

00:35:00.760 responsible.

00:35:02.220 Nobody pays

00:35:03.020 the price

00:35:03.780 for this

00:35:04.200 education

00:35:04.740 except you

00:35:06.080 and your

00:35:06.680 children.

00:35:08.440 Afghanistan.

00:35:09.640 Why did all

00:35:09.980 those people

00:35:10.440 die?

00:35:11.060 Don't know

00:35:11.620 because no

00:35:12.480 one was

00:35:13.200 held

00:35:13.520 responsible.

00:35:15.060 Inflation.

00:35:16.120 It's the

00:35:16.600 government in

00:35:17.360 bed with the 0.51

00:35:17.960 Fed,

00:35:18.420 and no one

00:35:19.440 is held

00:35:20.100 responsible.

00:35:21.460 Crime on

00:35:22.040 the streets,

00:35:23.080 no one is

00:35:23.660 held

00:35:23.880 responsible.

00:35:24.780 Crime and

00:35:25.300 corruption in

00:35:26.020 D.C.,

00:35:26.680 no one is

00:35:27.620 held

00:35:27.940 responsible.

00:35:29.180 The media

00:35:29.860 lies and

00:35:30.780 lies and

00:35:31.440 lies,

00:35:32.120 and no

00:35:32.800 one is

00:35:33.600 held

00:35:34.060 responsible.

00:35:36.380 All of

00:35:37.300 these things

00:35:38.120 is the

00:35:38.700 government

00:35:39.300 in bed

00:35:40.420 with private

00:35:41.260 corporations

00:35:42.080 or unions,

00:35:43.100 and they

00:35:45.300 don't have

00:35:46.200 to pay a

00:35:46.820 price because

00:35:47.900 the government

00:35:49.200 is in bed

00:35:51.000 with them.

00:35:52.320 The government

00:35:53.240 never has to

00:35:54.280 pay a price

00:35:54.860 because they

00:35:55.620 can just

00:35:56.220 print more

00:35:56.920 money.

00:35:58.560 The only

00:35:59.500 one that

00:35:59.940 pays a

00:36:00.320 price is

00:36:00.960 you,

00:36:01.440 and in

00:36:01.680 this

00:36:02.040 particular

00:36:02.680 case,

00:36:03.780 the poor

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00:36:07.660 Maui.

00:36:08.940 Where are

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00:36:11.180 Because I

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00:36:14.580 the government

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00:36:16.560 land and

00:36:17.300 make it

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00:36:51.700 The best of

00:36:52.260 the Glenn Beck

00:36:52.760 program.

00:36:54.060 Now,

00:36:54.640 Saurabh,

00:36:55.680 not often do

00:36:56.940 I have a

00:36:57.380 friend that

00:36:58.120 says,

00:36:58.800 you know,

00:36:59.520 Woodrow

00:36:59.760 Wilson was

00:37:00.300 great,

00:37:01.220 but I'm

00:37:03.140 making the

00:37:03.660 exception with

00:37:04.640 you,

00:37:05.020 and I

00:37:05.300 really want

00:37:06.480 to go

00:37:06.720 through your

00:37:07.700 book.

00:37:08.020 I've enjoyed

00:37:08.560 reading it.

00:37:09.960 Well,

00:37:11.620 thank you

00:37:11.940 for having

00:37:12.300 me back,

00:37:12.860 Glenn.

00:37:13.280 I'm happy

00:37:13.820 to talk

00:37:14.220 about old

00:37:14.720 Woodrow.

00:37:15.980 Okay.

00:37:17.060 So,

00:37:17.820 first of all,

00:37:18.600 outline the

00:37:19.240 problem that

00:37:20.200 you see.

00:37:22.460 Yeah,

00:37:23.060 sure.

00:37:23.740 It's a

00:37:24.440 problem of

00:37:25.500 economic

00:37:26.340 coercion that

00:37:27.540 ordinary people

00:37:28.860 face in

00:37:29.980 daily life.

00:37:31.220 We as

00:37:31.940 Americans,

00:37:32.680 but especially

00:37:33.200 as the

00:37:33.640 conservative

00:37:34.080 movement,

00:37:35.020 in the last

00:37:35.900 few generations

00:37:36.660 since Goldwater

00:37:37.580 Reagan,

00:37:38.020 has come

00:37:39.100 to think

00:37:39.660 of

00:37:40.240 coercion

00:37:41.780 and unjust

00:37:42.580 coercion

00:37:43.240 as only

00:37:44.040 what government

00:37:44.780 does.

00:37:46.040 In recent

00:37:46.800 years,

00:37:47.260 we've come

00:37:47.880 face-to-face

00:37:48.820 with a

00:37:50.080 new mode

00:37:50.620 of coercion

00:37:51.940 which is

00:37:52.460 either directed

00:37:54.120 exclusively from

00:37:55.500 the private

00:37:55.960 sector,

00:37:56.560 from large

00:37:57.260 corporations,

00:37:58.580 banks,

00:37:59.020 etc.,

00:37:59.560 or some

00:38:00.800 combination of

00:38:01.800 those types

00:38:02.360 of businesses

00:38:02.920 in collusion

00:38:04.040 with government.

00:38:05.300 So there are

00:38:05.620 really big

00:38:06.380 headline-grabbing

00:38:07.220 cases

00:38:07.720 that I

00:38:08.900 talk about

00:38:09.320 in the

00:38:09.560 book like

00:38:10.340 the censorship

00:38:12.200 of the

00:38:12.500 Hunter Biden

00:38:13.060 story by

00:38:13.940 Twitter and

00:38:14.460 Facebook where

00:38:15.080 I was at

00:38:15.560 kind of the

00:38:16.560 eye of the

00:38:16.980 storm when

00:38:17.380 that happened

00:38:17.920 and I came

00:38:18.420 and spoke

00:38:18.980 with you on

00:38:19.480 the show

00:38:19.760 about it

00:38:20.180 just as it

00:38:20.640 was unfolding

00:38:21.280 and the

00:38:23.680 debanking

00:38:24.260 of people

00:38:25.100 whose political

00:38:26.780 views aren't

00:38:27.640 acceptable to

00:38:28.900 the liberal

00:38:29.280 left,

00:38:30.360 etc.,

00:38:30.800 etc.

00:38:31.300 But there are

00:38:32.820 also less

00:38:33.480 visible kinds

00:38:34.360 of this,

00:38:34.880 right?

00:38:35.140 So for

00:38:35.460 example,

00:38:36.240 and this will

00:38:36.820 get us

00:38:37.480 into the

00:38:37.780 weeds and

00:38:38.060 I won't

00:38:38.320 go too

00:38:38.720 far into

00:38:39.100 the weeds,

00:38:39.560 but the

00:38:40.640 use of

00:38:41.360 commercial

00:38:42.400 arbitration

00:38:43.180 in the

00:38:43.620 workplace,

00:38:43.980 just to

00:38:44.580 give one

00:38:44.880 example,

00:38:45.800 arbitration

00:38:46.380 is good,

00:38:47.080 it's a

00:38:47.300 kind of

00:38:47.700 a neutral

00:38:48.400 mediator

00:38:48.980 comes between

00:38:49.940 two merchants

00:38:51.000 of relatively

00:38:51.720 equal bargaining

00:38:52.660 power,

00:38:53.160 they agree not

00:38:53.860 to go to

00:38:54.320 court if they

00:38:54.820 have a dispute,

00:38:55.760 but to

00:38:56.220 privately

00:38:56.580 resolve it.

00:38:57.520 That's fine,

00:38:58.280 that's been

00:38:58.740 around since

00:38:59.280 1925 with

00:39:00.460 the Federal

00:39:00.800 Arbitration

00:39:01.440 Act.

00:39:01.740 But in

00:39:02.600 recent decades,

00:39:04.040 increasingly

00:39:04.600 workers'

00:39:05.240 complaints are

00:39:05.900 corralled into

00:39:06.780 these types

00:39:07.400 of courts,

00:39:08.480 privatized

00:39:09.000 courts,

00:39:09.440 where like

00:39:10.200 Ernst & Young

00:39:10.920 or Bank

00:39:11.300 of America

00:39:11.720 get to

00:39:12.140 set the

00:39:12.500 rules,

00:39:13.340 and you

00:39:13.760 as the

00:39:14.100 worker are

00:39:14.460 far less,

00:39:15.360 you don't

00:39:15.600 have the

00:39:16.080 same bargaining

00:39:16.620 power where

00:39:17.340 you can say

00:39:17.900 no to this

00:39:18.560 or dispute

00:39:19.080 this,

00:39:19.700 and it

00:39:20.000 means that

00:39:20.300 you can't

00:39:20.800 vindicate

00:39:21.280 rights that

00:39:21.860 you otherwise

00:39:22.400 have,

00:39:23.460 I don't

00:39:23.720 know,

00:39:23.900 like the

00:39:24.340 Fair Labor

00:39:24.720 Standards

00:39:25.080 Act or

00:39:25.540 whatever

00:39:25.800 kind of

00:39:26.700 economic

00:39:27.120 rights you

00:39:27.560 might think

00:39:27.940 of become

00:39:28.900 blocked.

00:39:30.240 And so

00:39:30.700 that's the

00:39:31.420 problem.

00:39:32.020 I talk about

00:39:32.760 the kind of

00:39:33.240 hot headline

00:39:34.040 grabbing cases

00:39:34.880 like Amazon

00:39:36.400 making a lot

00:39:38.380 of money out

00:39:38.920 of the pandemic

00:39:39.500 because they

00:39:40.740 were deemed

00:39:41.280 essential whereas

00:39:42.540 lots of small

00:39:43.280 businesses weren't,

00:39:44.520 and then oppressing

00:39:45.180 their own workers

00:39:45.940 and their kind of

00:39:46.640 hellish Dickensian

00:39:47.540 warehouses.

00:39:49.160 I talk about

00:39:49.760 those, but

00:39:50.120 much of the

00:39:51.200 book is about

00:39:51.700 these less

00:39:52.240 visible kinds

00:39:53.280 of private

00:39:54.780 coercion where,

00:39:55.660 for example,

00:39:56.820 the Sackler

00:39:57.600 family of

00:39:58.400 notoriety

00:39:59.020 associated with

00:39:59.960 the opioid

00:40:00.900 crisis was

00:40:02.260 able to use

00:40:03.220 the coercive

00:40:04.180 elements of

00:40:04.760 U.S.

00:40:05.120 bankruptcy law

00:40:05.860 to shield

00:40:06.380 their assets

00:40:07.140 from states

00:40:09.220 and from

00:40:09.620 hospitals,

00:40:10.620 from insurers

00:40:11.340 and ordinary

00:40:11.880 Americans who

00:40:12.400 had been harmed

00:40:12.880 by the opioid

00:40:13.480 crisis.

00:40:14.420 So I just

00:40:14.860 suggest that,

00:40:15.980 and here

00:40:16.280 where the

00:40:16.840 kind of

00:40:17.220 bit that you

00:40:18.020 mentioned about

00:40:18.520 Woodrow Wilson

00:40:19.000 comes in,

00:40:19.580 that conservatives

00:40:20.340 used to

00:40:21.280 actually be

00:40:22.120 more attuned

00:40:23.500 to this

00:40:23.920 problem.

00:40:25.220 In other

00:40:25.580 words,

00:40:26.260 Wilson was not

00:40:27.000 the only one.

00:40:27.640 There was a

00:40:27.920 kind of

00:40:28.380 tradition in

00:40:29.280 the GOP,

00:40:30.500 figures like

00:40:31.160 Teddy Roosevelt,

00:40:32.140 then especially

00:40:32.700 after the New

00:40:33.400 Deal,

00:40:33.760 figures like

00:40:34.240 Eisenhower and

00:40:35.020 Nixon,

00:40:35.780 who recognized

00:40:36.700 that there is

00:40:37.660 such a thing

00:40:38.180 as private

00:40:38.680 tyranny,

00:40:39.440 and the way

00:40:40.240 to take

00:40:41.720 charge of

00:40:42.280 it or to

00:40:42.700 tame it

00:40:43.280 is by

00:40:44.160 greater

00:40:44.760 democratic

00:40:45.520 control and

00:40:47.140 sort of

00:40:47.520 political response

00:40:48.620 to giant

00:40:49.400 market actors

00:40:50.120 that otherwise

00:40:50.960 get to set

00:40:51.580 their own

00:40:51.920 prices,

00:40:52.860 their oligopolies,

00:40:53.800 so that their

00:40:54.720 prices that they

00:40:55.540 set,

00:40:55.820 how they

00:40:56.620 treat their

00:40:56.980 workers and

00:40:57.360 stuff,

00:40:57.600 is not

00:40:58.100 that kind

00:40:59.220 of free

00:40:59.560 market

00:41:00.040 arcadia,

00:41:02.280 that paradise

00:41:03.140 that still

00:41:03.600 was described

00:41:04.300 by Adam

00:41:04.920 Smith in

00:41:05.360 the late

00:41:05.620 18th

00:41:06.040 century.

00:41:07.140 The markets

00:41:08.040 are much

00:41:08.400 more complex,

00:41:09.140 much more

00:41:09.480 concentrated,

00:41:10.580 so it

00:41:10.820 requires

00:41:11.360 greater

00:41:12.380 state

00:41:13.000 efforts

00:41:13.480 to protect

00:41:14.580 us from

00:41:14.980 being

00:41:15.240 debanked

00:41:16.040 by a

00:41:17.300 large

00:41:17.500 bank the

00:41:17.900 way Nigel

00:41:18.340 Farage

00:41:18.720 was in

00:41:19.100 Britain.

00:41:19.320 So here's

00:41:21.100 my question

00:41:22.580 to you,

00:41:22.940 because this

00:41:23.340 is the

00:41:23.840 debate that

00:41:24.620 I think

00:41:25.080 we're

00:41:26.080 having now.

00:41:27.760 Are we

00:41:28.320 going to

00:41:28.840 go back

00:41:29.600 to a

00:41:30.060 constitution

00:41:30.560 that really

00:41:31.260 hasn't been

00:41:31.740 used in

00:41:32.220 100 years,

00:41:33.480 and are

00:41:35.080 we going

00:41:35.320 to reset

00:41:36.020 back to

00:41:37.240 its factory

00:41:37.900 settings,

00:41:38.800 or are we

00:41:39.400 going to

00:41:40.060 develop

00:41:40.680 something

00:41:41.120 entirely new?

00:41:42.220 And the

00:41:42.540 left has

00:41:42.980 already made

00:41:43.480 their choice.

00:41:44.240 They are,

00:41:45.160 and I think

00:41:45.580 you would

00:41:45.880 agree with

00:41:46.820 me,

00:41:46.940 I think,

00:41:48.220 that we

00:41:49.220 are right

00:41:49.960 now a

00:41:51.740 pretty fascistic

00:41:53.020 kind of

00:41:54.000 country,

00:41:54.400 where the

00:41:55.220 government is

00:41:55.860 in bed with

00:41:56.660 these corporations,

00:41:58.300 and they're

00:41:59.500 doing the

00:41:59.980 bidding for

00:42:00.580 one another,

00:42:01.380 so they can

00:42:01.860 get things

00:42:02.300 done.

00:42:02.720 And if you

00:42:03.020 play ball,

00:42:03.720 then you

00:42:04.200 get money,

00:42:04.780 and you

00:42:05.020 get all

00:42:05.720 kinds of

00:42:06.140 perks.

00:42:06.420 If you

00:42:06.620 don't play

00:42:07.100 ball,

00:42:07.440 you're out

00:42:07.700 of business.

00:42:08.640 Would you

00:42:08.900 agree with

00:42:09.200 that?

00:42:10.760 Well,

00:42:10.960 I actually

00:42:11.740 do want to

00:42:12.700 go back to

00:42:13.240 our

00:42:13.380 constitutional

00:42:13.920 tradition.

00:42:14.620 I would

00:42:14.820 only suggest

00:42:15.860 that our

00:42:16.780 constitutional

00:42:17.400 tradition is

00:42:18.440 more complex

00:42:19.920 than some,

00:42:21.560 I would

00:42:22.180 say,

00:42:22.480 doctrinaire

00:42:23.120 libertarian

00:42:23.880 free market

00:42:24.460 types suggest.

00:42:25.840 In other

00:42:26.220 words,

00:42:27.020 our

00:42:27.440 constitution

00:42:28.120 shaped men

00:42:30.140 like Alexander

00:42:30.900 Hamilton,

00:42:31.560 and it was

00:42:32.220 very much

00:42:33.320 seen as a

00:42:36.240 developmental

00:42:36.720 state,

00:42:37.480 right?

00:42:37.720 Because

00:42:37.960 Hamilton and

00:42:39.300 John Marshall,

00:42:40.700 very influential

00:42:41.480 Supreme Court

00:42:42.060 justice early

00:42:42.740 on,

00:42:43.580 they were

00:42:44.040 determined that

00:42:44.840 the United

00:42:45.280 States wouldn't

00:42:45.960 become like a

00:42:46.720 backwater for

00:42:47.600 Britain where

00:42:48.480 all they get

00:42:49.200 is natural

00:42:49.660 resources here

00:42:50.500 and they

00:42:50.840 treat us as

00:42:51.580 a captive

00:42:52.980 market for

00:42:53.720 Britain's own 0.99

00:42:54.540 industrial

00:42:55.440 development and

00:42:56.600 industrial

00:42:57.400 manufacturing

00:42:58.120 products.

00:42:58.680 So they did

00:42:59.060 all sorts of

00:42:59.640 things like

00:43:00.300 setting in

00:43:01.540 place a

00:43:02.280 first bank

00:43:02.920 of the

00:43:03.160 United States

00:43:03.980 to ensure

00:43:05.780 a steady

00:43:06.400 supply of

00:43:07.020 credit that

00:43:07.480 was disciplined

00:43:08.120 and wasn't

00:43:08.720 kind of wild.

00:43:09.780 They created

00:43:10.860 internal

00:43:13.060 improvements and

00:43:14.080 import

00:43:14.460 substitutions

00:43:15.280 and tariffs

00:43:15.880 and so on

00:43:16.340 and so

00:43:16.580 forth.

00:43:16.980 This was

00:43:17.300 all within

00:43:17.960 the founding

00:43:19.440 generation or

00:43:20.520 within living

00:43:21.080 memory of the

00:43:21.740 founding generation.

00:43:22.720 So the idea

00:43:23.780 of a state

00:43:24.360 that kind of

00:43:26.240 takes charge of

00:43:26.980 the economy for

00:43:27.740 the general

00:43:28.180 welfare wasn't

00:43:30.140 alien to the

00:43:31.300 founding generation.

00:43:32.840 And of course

00:43:33.260 then you have

00:43:33.680 like the

00:43:34.760 Jacksonians come 1.00

00:43:35.600 around because

00:43:36.260 then they

00:43:36.960 noticed that

00:43:37.500 that bank

00:43:38.040 now had

00:43:38.460 become the

00:43:38.860 second bank

00:43:39.340 of the United

00:43:39.720 States had

00:43:40.120 sort of become

00:43:40.660 a vehicle for

00:43:41.480 the wealthy.

00:43:42.580 So Andrew

00:43:42.900 Jackson waged

00:43:44.640 war against

00:43:45.260 it and sort

00:43:45.780 of said hey

00:43:46.220 we need

00:43:46.640 greater political

00:43:47.340 control over

00:43:48.620 these institutions

00:43:49.420 that kind of

00:43:50.540 can shape the

00:43:51.840 lives of yeoman

00:43:52.580 farmers and

00:43:53.420 workers and so

00:43:54.780 on and so

00:43:55.120 forth.

00:43:55.480 So because the

00:43:58.280 economy and

00:43:59.240 politics can't 0.60

00:44:00.240 be so neatly

00:44:00.980 ever separated

00:44:01.920 the American

00:44:03.680 traditions never

00:44:04.300 thought of the

00:44:05.020 economy as this

00:44:06.680 autonomous zone of

00:44:08.200 perfect freedom

00:44:09.100 and competition.

00:44:09.800 they realize that

00:44:10.860 it's all bound

00:44:11.460 up with what

00:44:12.160 government does

00:44:13.380 or chooses not

00:44:14.280 to do.

00:44:15.420 So I'm just

00:44:16.460 arguing for a

00:44:17.140 more complex

00:44:17.860 reading of the

00:44:18.840 American tradition.

00:44:19.780 So here is the

00:44:21.320 issue and I think

00:44:22.180 our founders came

00:44:23.140 down to this.

00:44:25.280 Where are the

00:44:26.580 better angels

00:44:28.100 now in

00:44:29.880 Google,

00:44:30.960 Facebook,

00:44:32.200 Apple?

00:44:33.740 Where are the

00:44:34.540 better angels in

00:44:35.680 Washington?

00:44:36.880 Where are the

00:44:37.720 better angels in

00:44:38.960 the media?

00:44:40.380 Where are they?

00:44:43.400 Well,

00:44:44.020 you know,

00:44:44.600 unfortunately,

00:44:45.340 I would just say

00:44:46.200 that the founders

00:44:47.480 could be pretty

00:44:48.640 cynical about

00:44:50.040 human nature.

00:44:51.340 And so they

00:44:51.900 had, you know,

00:44:52.420 as Madison

00:44:53.780 famously wrote,

00:44:54.980 you know,

00:44:55.220 if men were

00:44:55.960 angels, you

00:44:56.520 wouldn't need

00:44:56.960 government.

00:44:57.680 But as it is,

00:44:58.440 men are not 0.65

00:44:59.160 angels.

00:45:00.240 And so although

00:45:01.940 Lincoln was

00:45:03.040 obviously the

00:45:04.140 better angels

00:45:06.640 guy,

00:45:06.960 he expressed

00:45:09.220 that as a

00:45:09.840 sentiment to

00:45:10.440 call forth,

00:45:11.340 you know,

00:45:11.580 the best of

00:45:12.520 us.

00:45:13.700 He was

00:45:14.980 somebody that

00:45:16.780 was very,

00:45:17.960 very alone

00:45:18.500 and really

00:45:20.280 an aberration.

00:45:21.720 You know,

00:45:22.080 the man

00:45:24.080 is an animal.

00:45:26.340 He is an animal

00:45:27.760 and he is

00:45:28.720 driven by many

00:45:29.620 things.

00:45:30.160 At the very

00:45:30.740 bottom,

00:45:31.260 it's food and

00:45:32.200 water and

00:45:32.920 survival.

00:45:33.660 But as he

00:45:34.880 becomes more and

00:45:35.720 more powerful,

00:45:36.460 he is driven by

00:45:37.540 money,

00:45:38.540 power over

00:45:39.440 people,

00:45:40.560 fame,

00:45:41.000 and those

00:45:42.580 things all

00:45:43.780 corrupt.

00:45:44.600 They all

00:45:44.960 corrupt.

00:45:45.920 And our

00:45:46.380 problem is,

00:45:47.600 is that we

00:45:48.440 have everybody,

00:45:49.860 it seems,

00:45:50.420 at the top

00:45:51.260 has been

00:45:52.580 corrupted one

00:45:53.960 way or

00:45:54.700 another.

00:45:55.580 And the

00:45:56.940 reason why it

00:45:58.240 is corrupt,

00:45:58.840 I believe,

00:45:59.600 is because the

00:46:00.920 government can

00:46:02.580 be bought off

00:46:03.660 by giant

00:46:04.560 corporations and

00:46:05.840 little people

00:46:06.820 don't have the

00:46:07.920 money to buy

00:46:08.820 them off.

00:46:09.340 So there's no

00:46:09.860 representation.

00:46:11.000 The people who

00:46:13.100 are running for

00:46:13.680 office, they

00:46:14.360 don't care what

00:46:15.500 the people do.

00:46:16.440 They'll say

00:46:16.920 whatever they

00:46:17.520 have to to

00:46:18.820 get them to

00:46:19.400 vote for them.

00:46:20.360 But they don't

00:46:20.860 actually care or

00:46:21.980 like those people.

00:46:22.940 They're not

00:46:23.380 representing.

00:46:24.280 They're representing

00:46:24.980 themselves.

00:46:26.600 So everything

00:46:27.180 that is happening

00:46:28.020 is a corruption

00:46:29.080 of us not

00:46:31.760 putting the

00:46:32.580 shackles on a

00:46:34.020 powerful government

00:46:35.200 but letting,

00:46:36.580 quite honestly,

00:46:37.340 the Woodrow

00:46:37.800 Wilson

00:46:38.200 administrative

00:46:39.460 state,

00:46:40.080 where no

00:46:41.160 one answers

00:46:42.680 for the

00:46:43.440 wrong,

00:46:45.240 just letting

00:46:46.080 it grow.

00:46:47.680 Yep.

00:46:48.280 So, first

00:46:49.440 of all, the

00:46:49.800 bit that I

00:46:50.260 quote from

00:46:50.740 Wilson is

00:46:51.340 just to say

00:46:51.960 that during

00:46:52.500 wartime,

00:46:53.240 during World

00:46:53.740 War I,

00:46:54.340 whether you

00:46:54.740 agree in the

00:46:55.220 U.S.

00:46:55.460 entry into

00:46:55.980 World War I

00:46:56.520 or not,

00:46:57.260 he showcased

00:46:58.320 that you can

00:46:59.220 bring government,

00:47:00.660 labor,

00:47:01.500 management,

00:47:02.500 businesses

00:47:02.880 together to

00:47:03.980 say how do

00:47:04.500 we build up

00:47:06.420 the whole

00:47:06.740 economy and put

00:47:07.500 it on a war

00:47:08.000 footing and be

00:47:09.180 able to deliver

00:47:09.700 material to

00:47:10.600 Europe and

00:47:11.800 men and so

00:47:12.380 on and so

00:47:12.740 forth,

00:47:13.000 logistics.

00:47:14.300 And that

00:47:15.460 model is now

00:47:19.020 woven through

00:47:19.620 the American

00:47:20.060 tradition and it

00:47:21.900 finds its

00:47:22.280 fullest flowering

00:47:23.140 in the deal.

00:47:23.780 But then, as I

00:47:24.660 said, Eisenhower

00:47:25.700 went even further

00:47:26.540 on some of this

00:47:27.760 kind of logic of

00:47:28.600 government, labor,

00:47:30.180 workers, and

00:47:31.200 then management and

00:47:32.020 business all

00:47:32.580 coming together to

00:47:33.600 make decisions for

00:47:34.640 the general welfare

00:47:35.400 of the whole,

00:47:35.860 which, again,

00:47:36.720 because of that

00:47:37.300 Hamiltonian streak

00:47:38.340 in the founding

00:47:39.720 is not some

00:47:40.460 obnoxious and

00:47:41.920 weird thing.

00:47:42.380 But the problem

00:47:42.940 is that I

00:47:44.220 think that the

00:47:45.600 conservative

00:47:46.480 movement has,

00:47:48.440 because it's,

00:47:49.740 especially, again,

00:47:50.480 since Goldwater

00:47:51.040 Reagan says,

00:47:51.740 I reject the

00:47:52.760 administrative say,

00:47:53.540 all of that.

00:47:55.100 We don't

00:47:56.100 take part in it.

00:47:57.260 We don't, like,

00:47:58.000 actively try to

00:47:59.140 shape it.

00:47:59.660 So it comes

00:48:00.200 down like a,

00:48:00.980 it only comes

00:48:01.840 down like a

00:48:02.280 boot on our

00:48:02.760 faces.

00:48:03.140 And that's,

00:48:03.980 the frustration

00:48:04.660 is understandable.

00:48:05.640 I mean, I'm not,

00:48:06.380 I'm no fan of

00:48:07.160 vaccine mandates,

00:48:07.980 and I'm on the

00:48:08.560 record about all

00:48:09.800 of that.

00:48:10.220 But, you know,

00:48:11.960 the bottom line

00:48:12.780 is that already

00:48:15.020 by the 19th

00:48:15.740 century, we had

00:48:16.400 an unbelievably

00:48:17.100 complex economy.

00:48:18.920 And you had,

00:48:19.860 if you, if left

00:48:20.660 to its own

00:48:21.080 devices, you

00:48:21.640 would have very

00:48:23.100 few people

00:48:23.900 concentrating power

00:48:25.280 and wealth to

00:48:25.860 the detriment of

00:48:26.860 the farmer, the

00:48:27.880 debtor, the

00:48:28.560 worker, and so

00:48:29.380 on and so forth.

00:48:30.380 And that

00:48:30.760 complexity requires

00:48:32.660 equally complex

00:48:33.640 government, because

00:48:34.200 Congress can't,

00:48:35.300 like, regulate

00:48:37.420 the minutiae of

00:48:38.400 the railroad

00:48:38.820 business.

00:48:39.340 It can just

00:48:39.740 broadly say,

00:48:40.700 well, the

00:48:40.980 railroad should

00:48:41.480 be this and

00:48:41.940 that.

00:48:42.220 But to deal

00:48:42.720 with the

00:48:43.040 railroad business

00:48:43.680 at the granular

00:48:44.380 level, you need

00:48:45.780 the complexity of

00:48:47.000 the administrative

00:48:47.560 state.

00:48:49.140 You know, and I

00:48:49.520 think a lot of

00:48:50.080 conservatives who

00:48:50.940 say, well, this

00:48:52.560 is just all

00:48:53.060 unconstitutional, I

00:48:53.820 don't want any

00:48:54.320 of it, I invite

00:48:55.440 them to take the

00:48:56.340 first flight after

00:48:57.820 the, like,

00:48:58.500 Federal Aviation

00:48:59.780 Administration

00:49:00.300 has been abolished,

00:49:01.540 or to, you

00:49:02.520 know, all

00:49:02.640 to see what

00:49:04.600 their neighborhoods

00:49:05.000 are like once

00:49:05.700 police is abolished,

00:49:06.880 right?

00:49:07.060 All of this sort

00:49:07.600 of service.

00:49:07.980 Police?

00:49:08.720 Nobody's talking,

00:49:09.840 nobody in the

00:49:10.600 conservative side is

00:49:11.500 talking about

00:49:12.140 abolishing police.

00:49:13.140 Well, I mean, I

00:49:13.720 hear about, like,

00:49:14.480 you know, FBI

00:49:15.720 abolition.

00:49:16.760 Oh, yeah.

00:49:17.280 I'm fully on

00:49:18.860 board for that.

00:49:20.000 Fully on board.

00:49:20.620 So, totally.

00:49:21.500 I agree insofar

00:49:22.620 as the FBI has

00:49:23.520 become this sort

00:49:24.500 of lawless

00:49:25.540 agency that's

00:49:26.360 used to, again,

00:49:27.760 Glenn, remember,

00:49:28.500 I'm on the

00:49:29.200 right.

00:49:29.420 I know, I

00:49:30.440 know, no, no.

00:49:31.780 Right.

00:49:32.260 So, Rob, I'm not.

00:49:33.380 You know, there are

00:49:33.820 things that the FBI

00:49:34.920 does besides

00:49:35.880 persecuting, you

00:49:36.860 know, Trumpians

00:49:37.780 that is actually

00:49:38.360 pretty valuable.

00:49:39.200 So, we're not

00:49:40.100 prepared to give

00:49:40.760 that stuff up.

00:49:41.640 So, even like

00:49:42.160 Vivek Ramaswani,

00:49:43.980 who's called for

00:49:44.600 abolition of the

00:49:45.380 FBI, is calling

00:49:46.360 for some other

00:49:47.300 agency that would

00:49:48.220 do the things

00:49:49.280 that the FBI

00:49:49.780 is supposed to

00:49:50.600 do.

00:49:51.120 So, the point

00:49:51.720 is that

00:49:52.100 administrative state

00:49:53.040 is, to some

00:49:54.220 extent, unavoidable.

00:49:55.200 It's a sort of

00:49:55.700 extension of

00:49:56.580 Congress's will

00:49:57.700 in a complex

00:49:58.800 society and

00:49:59.780 economy.

00:50:00.240 How do we deal

00:50:00.760 with this

00:50:01.060 complexity?

00:50:01.700 Well, you've

00:50:02.360 got to delegate

00:50:02.820 it to these

00:50:03.320 experts.

00:50:03.820 But, if we

00:50:04.720 don't take part

00:50:05.460 in it on the

00:50:05.960 right, if we

00:50:06.500 don't try to

00:50:07.040 shape it,

00:50:07.920 then we get

00:50:08.600 So, Rob, we

00:50:09.640 are having the

00:50:10.400 same conversation

00:50:11.560 that our founders

00:50:12.400 had with

00:50:13.100 Hamilton.

00:50:13.660 This is the

00:50:14.120 same argument.

00:50:14.760 And it will

00:50:15.260 never go away

00:50:16.160 because it's

00:50:16.580 the original

00:50:17.160 argument.

00:50:19.220 Let me just

00:50:19.960 ask you this.

00:50:20.640 It is great.

00:50:21.620 I'm enjoying

00:50:22.480 having you on.

00:50:23.740 I hope you

00:50:24.180 don't feel

00:50:25.100 otherwise.

00:50:25.600 I know, I know.

00:50:26.540 How do we

00:50:27.300 avoid centralizing

00:50:28.420 power to the

00:50:29.720 extent that it

00:50:32.600 causes us to

00:50:33.840 be vulnerable to

00:50:34.840 the bad guy

00:50:35.620 grabbing the

00:50:36.360 reins?

00:50:38.420 Yep.

00:50:38.640 So, I mean,

00:50:39.080 I think that

00:50:39.920 one way that

00:50:41.400 certainly the

00:50:42.240 book, which as

00:50:42.880 you can tell

00:50:43.340 from what I'm

00:50:44.520 saying is heavily

00:50:45.740 focused on the

00:50:46.520 economy, is we

00:50:48.860 need to promote

00:50:50.380 a high-wage

00:50:51.900 manufacturing economy

00:50:53.340 like we had, you

00:50:55.240 know, in the

00:50:55.580 mid-century era, in

00:50:56.700 the mid-20th century

00:50:57.640 era.

00:50:58.280 And we were told

00:50:59.380 that, oh, it's

00:50:59.960 inevitable, we all

00:51:00.980 can only either do

00:51:01.960 services or financial

00:51:03.280 industry or these

00:51:04.800 like apps, like

00:51:06.000 porn apps.

00:51:06.920 Right.

00:51:07.060 And we deliberately

00:51:08.260 gave up our

00:51:08.900 own manufacturing.

00:51:09.620 Correct.

00:51:10.120 When you have a

00:51:10.860 high-wage economy

00:51:11.940 that's where workers

00:51:13.880 are dignified and

00:51:15.040 they're paid well and

00:51:15.920 they're skilled like

00:51:16.720 we did, again, we

00:51:17.460 did in the mid-century

00:51:18.260 era, they're not so

00:51:20.120 at the mercy of the

00:51:21.140 government either.

00:51:22.680 They're not so

00:51:23.520 powerless.

00:51:24.280 So what the problem

00:51:24.900 right now is we have

00:51:25.980 a low-wage, high-welfare

00:51:29.500 economy.

00:51:30.460 What that means is not

00:51:31.460 that the welfare net is

00:51:32.640 all that generous, it

00:51:33.460 actually can be kind of

00:51:34.240 miserly because you have

00:51:35.160 to pass all these tests

00:51:36.200 and so forth.

00:51:37.140 But the point is that

00:51:37.900 the typical worker, the

00:51:39.460 working poor or like the

00:51:40.900 bottom half of the

00:51:41.960 country in many ways, in

00:51:43.660 order to make ends meet,

00:51:44.800 they have to rely on a

00:51:45.720 high share of all kinds

00:51:46.960 of welfare that doesn't

00:51:48.500 come from their job, it

00:51:49.440 comes from their

00:51:49.920 taxpayer.

00:51:50.940 And that puts you at

00:51:52.000 the mercy, not just of

00:51:53.120 course of the boss,

00:51:54.160 because you're very

00:51:55.140 vulnerable, anything that

00:51:56.520 happens, you get fired,

00:51:57.500 but it also puts you at

00:51:58.620 the mercy of the

00:52:00.740 welfare administrator and

00:52:02.040 more broadly of the

00:52:03.020 administrative state.

00:52:03.840 So if we, I mean, I

00:52:05.840 think conservatives are

00:52:06.640 coming around to this

00:52:07.580 that, hey, we didn't

00:52:08.800 have to ship off

00:52:09.740 manufacturing to like

00:52:10.980 Vietnam and China, but

00:52:12.260 it's not like, it's not

00:52:13.980 like, you know, China's 0.90

00:52:15.720 brutal labor laws and

00:52:17.140 horrible government are a 0.99

00:52:19.300 natural competitive

00:52:20.720 advantage.

00:52:21.500 It's just that, it's just

00:52:22.620 how they run their

00:52:23.320 country and we made a

00:52:24.200 choice to ship off our

00:52:25.760 jobs.

00:52:26.100 I think here where we

00:52:27.560 can agree on is the

00:52:28.760 importance of restoring a

00:52:31.480 manufacturing high-wage

00:52:32.740 economy.

00:52:33.180 I mean, limits on

00:52:35.480 immigration help with

00:52:36.360 that, you know, because

00:52:37.840 if there's always a

00:52:39.680 reserve of poorly paid

00:52:41.380 labor who's willing to do 0.86

00:52:42.380 things for less, then

00:52:43.540 that's, you know, it

00:52:44.820 weakens our workers.

00:52:46.400 The book is called

00:52:47.040 Tyranny Eek, and so,

00:52:48.260 Rob, I hope we continue

00:52:49.280 our conversation.

00:52:50.660 I disagree with you

00:52:52.700 pretty wholeheartedly,

00:52:54.720 but I will fight to the

00:52:56.980 death for your right to

00:52:57.900 say it, and I hope we

00:52:58.840 can have more

00:52:59.440 conversations with this

00:53:00.940 attitude on the

00:53:02.660 program with you.

00:53:03.700 Thank you.

00:53:04.020 You're very kind, Glenn.

00:53:05.600 Thank you.

00:53:06.100 Bye-bye.

00:53:06.340 Na na na na

The Glenn Beck Program - August 17, 2023

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