The Glenn Beck Program - August 17, 2023


Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Sohrab Ahmari ｜ 8⧸17⧸23


Episode Stats

Length

53 minutes

Words per Minute

145.50519

Word Count

7,732

Sentence Count

504

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

8


Summary

Glenn Beck and Alex Blumberg are joined by the author of Tyranny Inc., Saurabh Amari, to talk about the removal of the entire Apple Podcasts catalog and why it happened. Also, the latest on Maui.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hey, we have a pretty amazing update on Maui that I don't think you're hearing everywhere.
00:00:05.280 We also give you the update on, are we on today on Apple, the podcast?
00:00:10.720 I think so.
00:00:11.340 Yeah, they've put our whole catalog back.
00:00:13.620 Well, with an exception of about 1,500 podcasts.
00:00:18.060 But on that, it's fully restored.
00:00:20.900 Why is that happening, Apple?
00:00:23.200 What exactly was the reason yesterday?
00:00:25.220 Because they said in Variety magazine, well, there was a copyright dispute.
00:00:31.420 No, you let us know on June 28th.
00:00:34.800 And on June 28th, three hours after you identified the problem, we solved the problem with your people.
00:00:43.820 So what was the problem exactly?
00:00:47.440 And why aren't all 3,300 podcasts back?
00:00:52.440 Well, we'll continue to follow that story.
00:00:55.520 Also, we have Saurabh Amari on with us.
00:00:58.460 He is the author of Tyranny, Inc.
00:01:00.580 He's a guy who I usually agree with, and I agree with him on the problem.
00:01:04.800 His book, however, is offering a solution that I don't agree with at all.
00:01:11.180 I don't know if you do, but it's a conversation that we on the right need to start having,
00:01:16.420 or we're going to go down a path that I don't necessarily think is a good one.
00:01:22.440 That's Tyranny, Inc.
00:01:24.340 Also, the latest on Maui.
00:01:26.600 We'll tell you the story on Maui.
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00:02:36.960 All right, so we talk about Apple.
00:02:39.500 Apple.
00:02:39.840 Here is what's happening with Apple.
00:02:44.200 Apple restored the episodes to their platform yesterday.
00:02:50.160 In case you haven't heard, Apple totally deplatformed me yesterday at about noon.
00:02:57.960 They removed every last episode from Apple Podcasts.
00:03:02.520 It was removed with no explanation why for several hours.
00:03:06.540 As soon as I heard the news, I posted a video to Twitter or X or whatever.
00:03:13.560 I'm never going to get used to that.
00:03:14.860 Is anybody really going to start calling it X?
00:03:16.920 I don't think so.
00:03:17.300 They're really doing the Prince thing with it, where it's like the artist formerly known as Prince.
00:03:21.280 Every article is like, X, the artist for the social media site formerly known as Twitter.
00:03:26.580 It's like, oh, great.
00:03:28.000 So you've taken a six or seven letter word, whatever it is, and you've shortened it to one and then added three sentences on to explain what it means.
00:03:39.600 Thanks a lot, Elon.
00:03:40.600 Appreciate it.
00:03:41.180 Anyway, I got into X yesterday, and I asked you to join me in demanding answers from Apple.
00:03:47.280 Well, thankfully, a lot of people came out in force.
00:03:51.260 Yeah.
00:03:51.620 We were trending on X all day with people on both the left and the right calling Apple out.
00:03:57.940 I was so happy to see so many people on the left who would post.
00:04:03.760 I totally disagree with him, but this is wrong.
00:04:09.160 Yes.
00:04:10.240 Thank you.
00:04:11.320 Thank you for that.
00:04:12.740 So thank you if you did any of it, because after six hours of you raising all kinds of ruckus online, Apple restored my show to their platform.
00:04:23.240 Well.
00:04:24.580 One thousand nine hundred and fifteen episodes of three thousand plus catalog.
00:04:30.820 Hmm.
00:04:31.340 So they removed at least a decade worth of content yesterday without explanation.
00:04:40.820 At least until we started making noise about it today, I read an article in Variety that said the podcast was removed because of a trademark dispute and quote.
00:04:52.300 It has since been resolved.
00:04:54.860 Really?
00:04:55.700 Really?
00:04:56.100 A trademark?
00:04:57.580 Wow.
00:04:57.940 Now, over three thousand episodes all over a trademark issue.
00:05:03.620 That is weird.
00:05:06.220 Not going to get into the weeds over this, but there was a trademark dispute on one episode.
00:05:12.720 They let us know on, I think, June 29th.
00:05:17.800 It was resolved within hours.
00:05:20.640 We're like, not really.
00:05:22.020 Now, if that is the reason that's one episode, we resolved it with them within hours.
00:05:31.020 In hours, why would you, why would you remove over three thousand episodes for a dispute with one?
00:05:41.400 It's a great question.
00:05:42.960 Unless you were the one filing the dispute saying someone's using my name.
00:05:46.720 There's no real reason to pull the episodes.
00:05:48.600 Yeah, don't pull those.
00:05:49.540 Yeah, no, of course not.
00:05:51.020 It doesn't explain why they would remove the entire catalog.
00:05:55.840 At least to me, it doesn't.
00:05:58.340 Apple still has not responded to that.
00:06:02.140 Yesterday is a prime example where I learned firsthand why the blaze is so important.
00:06:10.420 I learned the power of these middlemen.
00:06:15.460 If you're a conservative, the threat of deplatforming is always there.
00:06:20.820 Even in the background, like the sword of Damocles.
00:06:26.380 Is that how you say his name?
00:06:27.380 Damocles.
00:06:27.960 You remember the guy who was holding the sword over the head?
00:06:31.240 This is why we built the blaze.
00:06:34.280 I'm not going to have a sword over my head.
00:06:37.740 Not going to do it.
00:06:38.840 The show is always available on blaze TV.
00:06:44.340 I've told you in the past we need a direct relationship with you.
00:06:48.660 I ask you, please subscribe if you haven't already.
00:06:52.220 We have built a pirate ship.
00:06:54.840 Get on the ship.
00:06:57.280 I may be this.
00:06:58.960 Companies like Apple and Google and Meta can shut down your speech, our speech, literally with a keystroke.
00:07:08.840 The elites have always wanted to control what you see and what you hear.
00:07:13.100 Now, big tech is giving them the means to do it.
00:07:16.320 They have done this to several of us.
00:07:20.120 Since the Republicans have had Congress, they've been a little more shy.
00:07:25.520 But I will tell you, yesterday would have been a loss of about 3 million views.
00:07:35.020 If you're not getting the podcast from Apple, if that's where you normally go, there's about 3 million people that do that every day.
00:07:44.100 Uh, that's a problem.
00:07:47.100 That's a real problem.
00:07:49.040 If we lose touch with 3 million people.
00:07:52.060 Please, join our ranks.
00:07:56.960 We become stronger and we have more ability to resist big tech censorship and deliver the truth to the American people.
00:08:05.080 We want to be everywhere.
00:08:07.860 Everywhere anyone can possibly listen.
00:08:11.020 Because our target audience is everyone.
00:08:13.840 But our subscribers allow us to be truly independent.
00:08:18.820 So, if you're already a Blaze TV subscriber, thank you.
00:08:22.580 You are what, honestly, when that happened yesterday, there was no warning.
00:08:27.940 There have been no strikes.
00:08:29.080 There was nothing.
00:08:29.700 Just gone.
00:08:31.160 And everybody started pouring into my office going, Glenn, you're off Apple.
00:08:34.740 What happened?
00:08:36.100 I'm like, I don't know what happened.
00:08:37.240 What are you talking about off Apple?
00:08:39.460 Completely deleted the entire library.
00:08:42.080 Kind of your life flashes in front of your eyes.
00:08:45.100 And you're like, holy cow.
00:08:47.740 Are we going to be able to get messages to our audience?
00:08:51.040 Thank God Elon is at Twitter or X.
00:08:55.300 I like what he's doing with the censorship stuff.
00:08:57.280 Just not as much the naming stuff.
00:08:58.880 Yeah, I know.
00:08:59.480 But, I mean, it is important.
00:09:00.540 Like, you know, this one is pseudo-resolved.
00:09:03.920 I mean, you know, again, I put pseudo in there because only about half the episodes seem to be there.
00:09:08.420 But, okay, maybe who knows what that is.
00:09:11.160 My point, though, is that there's going to be a time where these things come off and they don't come back.
00:09:15.580 They don't come back.
00:09:16.480 And if we don't have contact with you, you won't know.
00:09:22.060 You won't know.
00:09:23.680 You won't know what happened to us if we don't have a direct line to you.
00:09:29.060 So, please, this is the biggest discount we've offered ever.
00:09:33.140 It will not be censored.
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00:09:38.920 We need you with us now more than ever.
00:09:41.720 I will tell you that I think something is – there's just a lot of things in my life that it's always a trend.
00:09:49.880 You know, when you're getting close to doing something really, really big, and I don't know what that is.
00:09:55.420 But when you're getting close to doing something big, there's all kinds of problems that keep cropping up, and we're in that kind of a period right now.
00:10:03.880 And I just said to a friend of mine who is coming in to work with me today, I said,
00:10:09.820 I have a feeling we're on the verge of something.
00:10:14.920 I don't know what it is, but my gosh, look at this string of coincidence.
00:10:22.080 Now, yesterday – I don't know if this had anything to do with it, but yesterday's podcast was,
00:10:27.940 who's the real crime family, Trump or Biden?
00:10:31.240 We are over the target on this, and we're not going to let it go.
00:10:40.700 So please join us.
00:10:42.900 By the way, when they restore the show in its entirety, then you can let up on Apple on X.
00:10:53.060 That's when you can go in and say, all right, Apple did the right thing.
00:10:58.060 But so far, 1,915 podcasts have been restored, and we are over 3,000.
00:11:05.820 It's about 33 and change.
00:11:08.580 So what's happening?
00:11:11.580 Now, this is something that I talked about in Dark Future,
00:11:19.460 and I want to read what I wrote just recently because it applies directly to this.
00:11:28.540 This is the example of what I was talking about in Dark Future, and it applies to you.
00:11:35.460 Important question coming in from our listeners, Glenn, here is,
00:11:38.460 why is Glenn talking about his podcast in the voice of Count Chocula?
00:11:43.100 And I thought that was an interesting question.
00:11:45.020 There will be no questions here.
00:11:46.700 From Dark Future, Chapter 5.
00:11:51.080 In the future, you will own nothing.
00:11:53.620 This is from my new book, Chapter 5.
00:11:56.700 To most, the idea of not knowing anything probably seems like a far-off concept,
00:12:02.160 especially when you think about it through the lens of capitalistic,
00:12:05.920 consumer-centric culture that we now live in.
00:12:08.860 How could we possibly shift toward a society like the one that's described in the
00:12:14.300 You'll Own Nothing article?
00:12:15.760 The answer is gradually, then all at once.
00:12:20.780 I say this with confidence because we already see this trend playing out in a number of industries.
00:12:26.300 For example, one aspect of our economy where the idea of owning nothing has developed the fastest
00:12:32.780 is in the entertainment industry.
00:12:35.500 I then highlight the dangers in the book of not owning physical media by talking about the rise of popularity in streaming services like Netflix and Spotify and Apple Podcasts.
00:12:57.940 And I write,
00:12:58.880 The data printed onto a disc or recorded on a cassette are there permanently.
00:13:04.480 If the physical media remains undamaged, I'll have access to that data forever.
00:13:10.840 This is not the case when dealing with streaming services.
00:13:14.240 The data for the movie as it exists on a streaming service servers, like those owned by Netflix, are fluid.
00:13:21.200 At any time, Netflix could take down Top Gun.
00:13:25.280 Its copyright owners could alter the movie, and then Netflix could upload it, re-upload it, without any warning to the consumer at home.
00:13:33.260 They can do this because you don't own the content.
00:13:36.960 They do.
00:13:37.700 Later in the same chapter, I wrote,
00:13:44.140 The music and podcast streaming service Spotify also has moderated content due to the social pressure.
00:13:51.340 Podcasting giant Joe Rogan had more than 100 episodes removed by Spotify because of an alleged instance of misinformation,
00:13:59.440 which included dangerous things like interviewing Dr. Robert Malone, a scientist who helped develop the mRNA vaccines.
00:14:07.700 Don't expect the censors to stop there.
00:14:12.280 Later, I wrote in the book,
00:14:14.040 The point of all of this is to say,
00:14:16.520 When you don't own physical media, that media is susceptible to change.
00:14:22.620 The corporations that do own the media can do whatever they want with it.
00:14:27.940 If a show contains a joke that is considered too cruel or tasteless by current societal norms, delete it.
00:14:34.160 If a movie's depiction of a person, gender, orientation, or race is no longer socially acceptable, change it.
00:14:40.600 If you hold a movie, show, or even a piece of music near and dear to your heart,
00:14:47.080 you might want to consider owning a physical copy.
00:14:51.740 Because nothing is stopping the corporation that owns it from altering or destroying it completely,
00:14:57.160 if the political winds blow hard enough.
00:15:00.800 Now, you might be thinking, as the reader of this book,
00:15:04.920 Glenn, why are you spending so much time talking about movies and streaming services?
00:15:09.360 I picked up this book to read about the future in the World Economic Forum.
00:15:13.640 What does this have to do with property rights and private ownership?
00:15:16.400 Think about what control these corporations have over your media when you don't own it.
00:15:24.400 Then imagine what they could do in a world where you don't own anything
00:15:28.620 and the corporation and governments own everything.
00:15:33.560 What happened yesterday with the Apple podcast on my program is exactly why ownership matters.
00:15:42.080 It is exactly why elites in the Biden administration, Davos, Wall Street firms like BlackRock,
00:15:48.640 want to consolidate property.
00:15:52.960 That's why they need ownership.
00:15:57.680 It's why the government is so eager to work hand-in-hand with giant corporations.
00:16:02.180 If you don't own the platform, the media, the news, or opinion product,
00:16:07.660 then you don't control it.
00:16:09.660 It can be altered without any warning.
00:16:12.080 Like it was yesterday, deleted from history, thousands of episodes,
00:16:17.660 over a decade of my work, for no real reason.
00:16:23.920 They can cancel it.
00:16:27.460 This is the future that is being imposed on the world.
00:16:31.080 And if you don't understand it,
00:16:33.300 the day will soon come when the only voices you hear
00:16:37.000 are approved by the ruling class and corporate elites.
00:16:42.080 Please join us at Blaze TV.
00:16:47.160 Please join us.
00:16:48.780 By the way, I just have to say thank you to a couple of people.
00:16:53.720 It was really remarkable, all of the people that came out yesterday to help.
00:17:01.800 Looks like I may have to go elsewhere to listen to podcasts
00:17:04.540 if Apple is going to remove Glenn Beck's program from the podcast.
00:17:07.860 A whole lot of us are going to say,
00:17:09.120 we found issue with Apple.
00:17:10.800 From Mike Lee, he followed it up with,
00:17:12.800 Glenn Beck having such a large audience,
00:17:14.500 you'd think Apple would be reluctant to take this step.
00:17:17.020 Sometimes such behavior can be observed with companies
00:17:20.180 that face so little competition in a particular field
00:17:23.200 that they don't fear alienating millions of customers.
00:17:27.220 J.D. Vance also said,
00:17:28.740 need some answers from Apple ASAP.
00:17:31.380 This looks like an awful lot like a major American corporation
00:17:34.680 engaging in election interference.
00:17:37.380 Donald Trump Jr. said,
00:17:38.560 big tech censorship is the biggest threat to free speech
00:17:41.620 and free expression in America.
00:17:43.740 Apple's now engaging in open election interference
00:17:46.920 by censoring Glenn Beck for telling the truth
00:17:49.940 about Joe Biden's corruption.
00:17:52.440 Jeremy Boring from the Daily Wire wrote,
00:17:54.680 this must be a mistake.
00:17:55.800 Glenn is one of the best men in the business
00:17:57.620 and perhaps the greatest living broadcaster.
00:18:00.240 Well, he said living.
00:18:01.680 So he said that.
00:18:03.320 I was like, good God.
00:18:04.300 That's really sad.
00:18:05.940 And I saw that comment.
00:18:08.680 I was like, oh, that's crazy.
00:18:10.240 Wait a minute.
00:18:11.460 Wait a minute.
00:18:12.600 Ed Krasenstein, who noted he disagrees with me
00:18:15.960 much of the time, said,
00:18:17.680 conservative commentator Glenn Beck
00:18:19.420 has reportedly been banned from Apple iTunes
00:18:22.040 without any explanation.
00:18:24.180 First, I must say, I completely disagree
00:18:26.480 with so much of what Glenn Beck has to say.
00:18:29.340 And I think a lot of his politics are absurd.
00:18:31.840 With that said, if Beck actually has been banned
00:18:34.500 merely for voicing his free speech,
00:18:36.640 I think it's wrong of Apple to do.
00:18:38.540 It'll be interesting to see what reason Apple gives
00:18:41.140 for this banning or if it was done by mistake.
00:18:44.020 I'm unaware of any recent major controversy
00:18:46.600 or hateful over-the-top message
00:18:48.200 that Beck has spread over the airwaves.
00:18:49.960 Yeah, we haven't had one of those in like two weeks.
00:18:51.360 I know.
00:18:52.280 So what's the problem?
00:18:53.380 But thank you for that.
00:18:54.700 We have to return to the country
00:18:56.880 that my father always held up to me and said,
00:19:00.220 you know, I so disagree with what you're saying,
00:19:03.760 but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.
00:19:07.760 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program,
00:19:09.740 and we really want to thank you for listening.
00:19:12.260 I want to start with a story
00:19:15.500 that is up in glennbeck.com,
00:19:17.360 and it is all about you.
00:19:20.440 The wildfire that raged across Maui
00:19:23.200 became the deadliest fire in U.S. history,
00:19:25.780 claiming more than 100 lives.
00:19:27.880 I think that number is going to go up.
00:19:30.440 As search and rescue missions continue
00:19:32.140 throughout the burnt remains of the historic town Lahaina,
00:19:36.040 in times of profound tragedy,
00:19:38.980 Glenn's audience has rallied around those
00:19:41.040 enduring profound need and suffering
00:19:43.360 through generous giving.
00:19:45.700 On air this week,
00:19:46.960 Glenn rallied the troops again
00:19:48.240 to support the grieving communities in Maui,
00:19:50.720 challenging his audience to raise more money
00:19:52.880 than the U.S. government aid package.
00:19:55.460 And you're doing just this.
00:19:57.100 I want you to listen to this.
00:19:58.940 As of 8.52 p.m. yesterday,
00:20:02.540 you, Glenn's audience,
00:20:04.240 raised $472,824
00:20:08.420 for the people of Maui
00:20:10.880 via Glenn's nonprofit Mercury One.
00:20:13.740 That's nearly half a million dollars
00:20:15.880 raised within the first couple of days
00:20:18.820 to our call of action
00:20:19.960 to match the government's aid package,
00:20:22.320 which has now been raised
00:20:24.620 to a whopping $2.3 million through FEMA.
00:20:28.080 That means this audience alone
00:20:30.220 has done one-fifth of the lifting
00:20:33.540 the entire FEMA and United States government
00:20:36.780 has done.
00:20:37.840 One-fifth.
00:20:40.200 All of those proceeds,
00:20:42.220 every single penny,
00:20:43.920 will go towards the residents
00:20:45.360 as they grieve and rebuild
00:20:46.880 in the tough days ahead.
00:20:48.260 Through your committed support,
00:20:51.720 we are well on its way,
00:20:53.420 our way to surpassing
00:20:54.800 the government's package.
00:20:56.440 This is something that I said
00:20:58.440 when I first started Mercury One.
00:21:00.180 If we want the government to do less,
00:21:02.560 then we have to do more.
00:21:04.940 I would love
00:21:06.600 if this audience,
00:21:07.980 we'll never be recognized for it,
00:21:09.520 but it doesn't matter.
00:21:10.720 We're not doing it for that.
00:21:11.700 I would love to be able to say
00:21:13.960 that this audience
00:21:15.700 raised more for Maui
00:21:18.640 than the federal government did.
00:21:21.440 Why do we need
00:21:22.460 the federal government involved
00:21:24.200 in all of our lives?
00:21:26.620 Now, yesterday,
00:21:28.140 so you know,
00:21:29.600 our website was hacked into,
00:21:31.900 and Apple dropped my podcast.
00:21:35.880 So all of this was done yesterday
00:21:38.420 just on the power of the radio program
00:21:40.900 or people listening on other things
00:21:43.040 other than Apple,
00:21:45.100 the radio,
00:21:46.240 Blaze TV,
00:21:47.620 and other than Apple,
00:21:50.160 podcast listeners.
00:21:52.760 We can do so much more,
00:21:55.920 and I want to tell you
00:21:56.980 how bad things
00:21:58.460 really truly are.
00:22:02.180 I got a note yesterday
00:22:04.280 from somebody,
00:22:06.900 and they said,
00:22:08.240 Glenn, I just got this
00:22:09.160 about 10 minutes ago.
00:22:10.000 Things are deteriorating rapidly.
00:22:12.720 We have a corporate accountant
00:22:14.340 who does a lot of business
00:22:16.860 in Lahaina.
00:22:18.420 I sent him a clip
00:22:19.220 of a girl talking about
00:22:20.080 what was happening there.
00:22:21.420 Here was his response.
00:22:23.140 Total disaster
00:22:24.260 in every way.
00:22:26.380 Fire hydrants
00:22:27.140 did not work.
00:22:28.780 No one was evacuated.
00:22:30.500 No police or fire crew
00:22:32.080 helping evacuate.
00:22:33.660 I can't even file
00:22:34.900 insurance claims
00:22:36.100 for 20 businesses
00:22:37.000 businesses
00:22:37.580 as the area
00:22:38.900 is locked down
00:22:39.880 by National Guard,
00:22:41.100 so insurance
00:22:41.860 injustors
00:22:42.560 can't even observe
00:22:43.780 the ruins
00:22:44.500 in person.
00:22:45.420 Question mark,
00:22:46.280 question mark,
00:22:46.860 question mark.
00:22:48.320 No claim
00:22:49.400 can be filed,
00:22:50.580 question mark.
00:22:51.880 I've been dealing
00:22:52.880 with this all week,
00:22:54.260 and I'm told
00:22:54.700 their bodies everywhere,
00:22:56.100 and for a week
00:22:56.700 they've been hiding
00:22:57.360 the death toll.
00:22:58.640 No local leadership.
00:23:00.520 Maui,
00:23:01.060 now taken over
00:23:01.860 by the feds,
00:23:03.180 none of these people
00:23:04.340 will have enough money
00:23:05.380 to rebuild.
00:23:06.260 Too expensive
00:23:06.940 as everything
00:23:07.640 has to be
00:23:08.320 new building codes,
00:23:10.520 that'll mean rich people
00:23:11.820 will buy the land
00:23:12.840 and will be even
00:23:13.740 less housing
00:23:14.540 for locals.
00:23:15.740 It will end up
00:23:16.680 being the worst
00:23:17.180 natural disaster
00:23:18.060 in our history.
00:23:19.540 95% of the island
00:23:21.300 is untouched by this.
00:23:23.480 A rebuild of Lahaina
00:23:24.840 will take 10 years.
00:23:26.520 The cleanup alone
00:23:27.260 will take 2-3 years,
00:23:28.720 as there is no
00:23:29.920 infrastructure
00:23:30.680 or labor
00:23:31.560 to do it.
00:23:33.320 That's the note
00:23:34.380 I received
00:23:35.240 last night.
00:23:37.060 I want you to know
00:23:38.380 that because of you,
00:23:40.500 we are already
00:23:42.140 doing amazing things.
00:23:45.880 We have
00:23:46.720 Operation Barbecue Relief,
00:23:48.540 Samaritan's Purse,
00:23:49.700 Operation Blessing,
00:23:50.900 ITDRC,
00:23:52.720 Harvest Church,
00:23:54.060 which,
00:23:54.420 that's Greg Laurie's
00:23:55.500 church in California,
00:23:56.540 but he also has
00:23:57.200 Sister Church in Maui.
00:23:58.980 Drew Friedrich,
00:23:59.900 Chief Operating Officer,
00:24:01.620 I got a note from him
00:24:02.400 from Operation Blessing,
00:24:03.600 he said,
00:24:04.940 I want you to know
00:24:06.000 you are the first
00:24:06.940 organization on the ground
00:24:08.100 to provide aid.
00:24:10.260 Operation Blessing,
00:24:11.840 we have helped them
00:24:13.720 to get there.
00:24:17.400 Let's see,
00:24:18.380 Samaritan's Purse,
00:24:19.820 they wrote in,
00:24:21.380 thank you,
00:24:22.340 thank you,
00:24:22.900 thank you,
00:24:23.540 the generosity
00:24:24.400 of your audience
00:24:25.600 in Mercury One,
00:24:27.060 which has helped us
00:24:28.040 airlift 17 tons
00:24:29.640 of supplies
00:24:30.340 supplies to Maui
00:24:32.260 in the wake
00:24:32.840 of the deadliest fire.
00:24:34.500 Supplies on that DC-8
00:24:35.880 cargo aircraft
00:24:36.880 include hygiene kits,
00:24:38.120 solar lights,
00:24:38.760 cooking kits,
00:24:39.800 plastic tarp,
00:24:40.680 equipment needed
00:24:41.420 for us
00:24:42.000 to help in the aftermath
00:24:43.560 of this disaster
00:24:44.700 as residents are allowed
00:24:45.760 to return to their communities.
00:24:47.740 Samaritan's Purse volunteers
00:24:49.000 will help homeowners
00:24:50.280 sift through the ashes
00:24:51.520 for any sentimental
00:24:52.480 keepsakes
00:24:54.280 that may have survived
00:24:55.380 the flames.
00:24:56.100 also Operation Barbecue Relief
00:24:58.460 is there
00:24:59.000 and they provide food,
00:25:00.920 hot food,
00:25:01.940 for any of the workers
00:25:03.840 and also any of the families
00:25:05.680 who have been displaced.
00:25:08.580 Thank you,
00:25:09.860 thank you,
00:25:11.140 thank you.
00:25:12.600 The attack on our website
00:25:14.380 did not slow you down
00:25:16.080 yesterday
00:25:16.580 and I find it interesting
00:25:17.860 that two things
00:25:20.260 happened yesterday.
00:25:21.640 As I just said,
00:25:23.580 we want to raise
00:25:25.420 more money
00:25:26.200 than the federal government
00:25:27.420 because we want them
00:25:28.140 to do less.
00:25:29.400 As I was in that commercial,
00:25:32.180 went into that commercial break,
00:25:34.880 hackers hacked into
00:25:37.440 mercury1.org
00:25:39.780 and took the entire site down.
00:25:43.240 Luckily,
00:25:43.680 we have a very good security team
00:25:45.740 and it went right back up
00:25:47.980 probably within an hour or so.
00:25:50.500 But our staff over at Mercury1
00:25:52.520 just started taking phone calls,
00:25:54.280 people making donations.
00:25:57.340 This is one
00:25:58.300 that we really want
00:25:59.400 to be
00:25:59.980 helpful with
00:26:02.320 because these are not
00:26:03.720 rich people on Hawaii.
00:26:05.200 This is a
00:26:05.780 local
00:26:07.060 historic town
00:26:09.540 and what's being done to it
00:26:11.780 I think you can find
00:26:13.400 in Dark Future,
00:26:14.720 the book that I wrote.
00:26:15.960 But let me just give you
00:26:17.040 the facts
00:26:17.900 of what happened
00:26:19.580 because it is
00:26:21.380 not what's being
00:26:22.720 reported.
00:26:24.080 So I want to give you
00:26:24.840 something from
00:26:25.620 the
00:26:26.060 von Mises
00:26:27.520 people.
00:26:29.100 This is from
00:26:29.520 Mises.org.
00:26:30.540 I think it is
00:26:31.600 such a great
00:26:33.840 article that I should
00:26:34.880 read it
00:26:35.460 verbatim.
00:26:36.780 The most destructive
00:26:38.160 natural disasters
00:26:39.560 are never
00:26:41.200 100%
00:26:42.560 natural.
00:26:44.120 Human
00:26:44.560 choices,
00:26:45.740 land use,
00:26:46.480 and government
00:26:47.340 policies play
00:26:48.260 a big role
00:26:49.160 in how harmful
00:26:50.100 hurricanes,
00:26:50.900 tornadoes,
00:26:51.560 earthquakes,
00:26:52.080 flash floods,
00:26:52.780 and wildfires
00:26:53.540 are to affect
00:26:55.260 communities.
00:26:56.700 Though the details
00:26:57.940 are still emerging,
00:26:59.400 it has become
00:27:00.020 clear that
00:27:00.880 government failure
00:27:02.120 did much
00:27:03.160 to make this
00:27:04.020 disaster worse
00:27:05.220 and possibly
00:27:06.680 even started it.
00:27:08.860 While the
00:27:09.480 so-called
00:27:10.000 experts are
00:27:10.900 blaming climate
00:27:11.840 change and
00:27:12.620 in the process
00:27:13.400 demanding that
00:27:14.340 government grab
00:27:15.480 even more power
00:27:16.720 and authority
00:27:17.500 to someday
00:27:18.900 give us
00:27:19.500 better weather,
00:27:21.080 the destructiveness
00:27:21.880 of this fire
00:27:22.640 was the product
00:27:23.460 of an all-powerful
00:27:24.840 and all-incompetent
00:27:26.580 regime.
00:27:28.280 The specific
00:27:29.020 origins of this
00:27:30.020 fire are still
00:27:30.820 being investigated,
00:27:31.640 but there is
00:27:33.080 much we already
00:27:34.340 know.
00:27:35.280 The city of
00:27:36.040 Lahaina sits
00:27:36.760 on the west
00:27:37.220 coast of
00:27:37.860 Maui, Hawaii's
00:27:38.720 second largest
00:27:39.360 island.
00:27:40.000 It's surrounded
00:27:40.600 by grassland,
00:27:42.500 much of which
00:27:43.480 is owned
00:27:44.420 by the state.
00:27:46.060 This is really
00:27:46.940 important.
00:27:48.300 Nearly a decade
00:27:49.000 ago, Hawaii
00:27:50.060 Wildlife Management
00:27:51.360 Organization,
00:27:52.220 a research
00:27:52.720 non-profit,
00:27:53.640 warned the
00:27:54.140 Hawaiian government
00:27:55.060 that the area
00:27:56.340 around Lahaina
00:27:57.360 was extremely
00:27:59.060 fire-prone due
00:28:00.580 to frequent
00:28:01.400 downslope winds,
00:28:03.080 steep terrain,
00:28:04.060 and dry grass.
00:28:06.060 Little to
00:28:06.740 nothing was
00:28:07.620 done by the
00:28:08.660 state government
00:28:09.380 to address
00:28:10.020 these risks.
00:28:11.280 A subsequent
00:28:11.900 report in
00:28:12.720 2020 added
00:28:14.240 that an
00:28:14.760 invasive species
00:28:15.940 of exceptionally
00:28:17.100 flammable grass
00:28:18.400 was prevalent
00:28:19.400 in the
00:28:19.960 surrounding fields
00:28:21.040 and that
00:28:21.520 passing hurricanes
00:28:22.660 created strong
00:28:23.820 winds known
00:28:25.060 to fuel
00:28:25.800 wildfires on
00:28:27.160 the islands.
00:28:28.820 Early last
00:28:29.680 week,
00:28:30.560 Hurricane Dora
00:28:31.480 crossed the
00:28:32.380 ocean south
00:28:33.440 of Hawaii.
00:28:34.760 By early
00:28:35.360 Tuesday morning,
00:28:36.540 August 8,
00:28:37.400 winds as fast
00:28:38.300 as 60 miles
00:28:39.140 an hour were
00:28:39.760 blowing down
00:28:40.380 the slopes
00:28:40.980 of West Maui
00:28:42.080 mountains into
00:28:43.240 Lahaina.
00:28:44.560 Around sunrise,
00:28:47.360 a large fault
00:28:48.800 was detected
00:28:50.100 in the power
00:28:51.060 grid,
00:28:52.040 indicating a
00:28:53.260 downed power
00:28:54.320 line.
00:28:55.540 Twenty minutes
00:28:56.260 later,
00:28:56.820 the first reports
00:28:57.820 of fire came
00:28:58.840 in from an
00:28:59.400 area around
00:29:00.500 the road,
00:29:01.500 uphill and
00:29:02.140 upwind from
00:29:03.020 the city.
00:29:04.280 The area where
00:29:05.140 flames were
00:29:05.680 first spotted
00:29:06.520 is full of
00:29:08.260 electrical
00:29:08.900 infrastructure,
00:29:10.200 mostly operated
00:29:11.740 by Hawaiian
00:29:12.980 Electric,
00:29:14.140 the state's
00:29:15.240 monopoly
00:29:16.040 electricity
00:29:17.080 supplier.
00:29:18.640 This included
00:29:19.480 a substation
00:29:20.560 and a multitude
00:29:22.000 of power lines.
00:29:23.940 Most of the
00:29:24.580 land in the area
00:29:25.480 is owned by
00:29:26.500 the state of
00:29:27.060 Hawaii except
00:29:27.800 for a parcel
00:29:28.520 belonging to the
00:29:29.320 estate of one
00:29:30.160 of Hawaii's
00:29:30.740 last princesses.
00:29:32.220 This parcel
00:29:33.340 housed on a
00:29:34.600 solar farm
00:29:35.460 supplying
00:29:36.420 electricity to
00:29:37.640 the Hawaiian
00:29:38.200 electric substation.
00:29:40.240 Early last
00:29:41.000 year,
00:29:41.420 NPR published
00:29:42.280 a glowing
00:29:42.920 article about
00:29:43.700 the solar
00:29:44.100 project,
00:29:44.820 praising it
00:29:46.500 as the
00:29:46.940 direct result
00:29:47.600 of government
00:29:48.300 regulation
00:29:49.000 crafted to
00:29:49.860 help transition
00:29:50.600 Hawaii to
00:29:51.300 100% renewable
00:29:52.880 power by
00:29:54.020 2045.
00:29:55.720 But,
00:29:56.240 on the
00:29:56.880 morning of
00:29:57.380 August 8,
00:29:58.440 as winds
00:29:59.180 hammered the
00:30:00.060 old wooden
00:30:00.660 utility poles,
00:30:02.340 this highly
00:30:03.140 electrified area
00:30:04.620 in the dry
00:30:05.620 grasses above
00:30:06.880 Lahaina was
00:30:07.980 quickly becoming
00:30:08.940 dangerous,
00:30:09.900 yet no formal
00:30:11.100 procedure was
00:30:12.120 in place to
00:30:13.160 shut off sections
00:30:14.240 of the grid in
00:30:15.400 the face of
00:30:16.140 severe fire
00:30:16.980 risks.
00:30:17.980 As a result,
00:30:19.320 29 fully
00:30:20.700 energized poles
00:30:22.180 fell across
00:30:23.560 West Maui
00:30:24.820 that day.
00:30:25.980 Say that
00:30:26.480 again,
00:30:27.520 29 fully
00:30:30.880 energized
00:30:31.800 electrical poles.
00:30:34.000 Have you ever
00:30:34.540 seen one of
00:30:35.000 those go down?
00:30:35.660 they tend
00:30:37.380 to throw
00:30:37.860 sparks.
00:30:39.740 Even with
00:30:40.480 the down
00:30:41.020 poles in
00:30:41.740 the way,
00:30:42.280 the first
00:30:42.680 firefighters on
00:30:43.560 the scene
00:30:44.040 met with
00:30:44.660 some early
00:30:45.220 success.
00:30:45.900 Around 9
00:30:46.400 a.m.,
00:30:47.040 the county
00:30:47.860 fire department
00:30:48.600 declared the
00:30:49.240 fire 100%
00:30:50.680 contained.
00:30:51.820 But the
00:30:52.320 message to
00:30:52.920 residents
00:30:53.400 included an
00:30:54.240 ominous
00:30:54.720 request.
00:30:56.160 The county's
00:30:56.840 water pumps
00:30:57.700 were powered
00:30:58.620 by electricity,
00:31:00.700 much of which
00:31:01.740 was frantically
00:31:02.660 being turned
00:31:03.520 off to
00:31:04.120 deactivate the
00:31:05.280 down lines.
00:31:06.880 Officials
00:31:07.380 asked the
00:31:07.900 public to
00:31:08.380 conserve water
00:31:09.280 to preserve
00:31:10.220 water pressure.
00:31:12.120 But by
00:31:12.560 mid-afternoon,
00:31:13.860 a flare-up
00:31:14.520 brought the
00:31:15.180 fire back to
00:31:16.060 life on the
00:31:16.720 Lahaina bypass,
00:31:18.220 a major road
00:31:18.960 that heads
00:31:19.420 straight into
00:31:19.960 town.
00:31:20.840 The flames
00:31:21.420 moved swiftly
00:31:22.700 into Lahaina
00:31:23.620 at 4.46 p.m.
00:31:25.680 one minute
00:31:26.780 after the
00:31:27.680 county government
00:31:28.400 finally set out
00:31:29.620 an alert to
00:31:30.480 warn the city's
00:31:31.260 population
00:31:31.860 largely without
00:31:33.460 power about
00:31:34.660 the flare-up
00:31:35.480 that had
00:31:35.860 occurred over
00:31:36.760 an hour before.
00:31:38.380 To make
00:31:38.800 matters worse,
00:31:40.080 county officials
00:31:40.840 failed to
00:31:41.740 activate emergency
00:31:43.000 sirens,
00:31:44.260 leaving residents
00:31:45.260 unaware of the
00:31:46.420 danger bearing
00:31:47.220 down on them.
00:31:48.600 And as
00:31:49.060 firefighters
00:31:49.640 heroically rushed
00:31:50.980 toward the
00:31:51.860 flame and
00:31:52.440 trying to save
00:31:53.060 their own
00:31:53.460 community,
00:31:54.420 they found
00:31:54.940 that there was
00:31:55.440 little to no
00:31:56.260 water pressure
00:31:57.100 in the fire
00:31:57.920 hydrants,
00:31:58.820 which quickly
00:31:59.620 ran dry.
00:32:01.260 So far I
00:32:03.800 haven't heard
00:32:04.240 anything about
00:32:04.780 global warming.
00:32:06.660 With a single
00:32:07.760 backed up
00:32:08.380 highway leading
00:32:09.460 out of the
00:32:10.140 city,
00:32:10.500 many residents
00:32:11.260 of Lahaina
00:32:11.980 had nowhere
00:32:13.120 to go.
00:32:14.180 Some scrambled
00:32:14.900 into the ocean
00:32:16.020 to escape the
00:32:16.980 smoke and the
00:32:17.640 flames,
00:32:18.320 but in the
00:32:19.000 end,
00:32:19.500 many couldn't
00:32:20.440 get out.
00:32:21.340 At least
00:32:21.780 99 people
00:32:22.920 have been
00:32:23.280 confirmed dead,
00:32:24.820 and as of
00:32:25.220 this writing,
00:32:26.120 making this
00:32:26.640 the deadly
00:32:27.120 American wildfire
00:32:28.160 in over a
00:32:28.660 century,
00:32:29.580 in addition,
00:32:30.140 2,207
00:32:32.160 buildings were
00:32:32.940 destroyed,
00:32:33.520 with property
00:32:34.040 damages expected
00:32:35.040 to reach
00:32:35.500 $5.5 billion.
00:32:37.920 To review,
00:32:39.620 a power
00:32:40.180 company shielded
00:32:41.640 from competition
00:32:42.560 by the state
00:32:43.640 placed electrical
00:32:45.200 infrastructure among
00:32:46.780 highly flammable
00:32:48.080 state-owned
00:32:49.060 grass fields
00:32:50.180 above the
00:32:51.220 historic city
00:32:52.600 of Lahaina,
00:32:54.020 which the
00:32:54.740 government was
00:32:55.520 twice warned
00:32:57.020 were highly
00:32:57.840 susceptible to
00:32:58.800 fire,
00:32:59.320 and once
00:33:00.500 fire broke
00:33:01.300 out,
00:33:02.000 a combination
00:33:02.520 of defective
00:33:03.660 water
00:33:04.120 infrastructure,
00:33:05.500 terrible
00:33:05.960 communication
00:33:06.740 by government
00:33:07.600 officials,
00:33:08.160 and only one
00:33:09.540 escape route
00:33:10.300 doomed the
00:33:11.220 people of
00:33:11.820 Lahaina to
00:33:12.400 the worst
00:33:12.800 wildfire
00:33:13.420 experienced in
00:33:14.160 this country
00:33:14.600 in over a
00:33:15.160 hundred years.
00:33:16.720 This was
00:33:17.880 government
00:33:18.580 failure
00:33:19.500 through and
00:33:20.620 through.
00:33:21.680 In human
00:33:22.620 action,
00:33:23.320 Ludwig von
00:33:24.220 Mises explains
00:33:25.300 that on the
00:33:26.480 market,
00:33:26.940 the ultimate
00:33:28.420 source of
00:33:29.100 profits is
00:33:30.180 foresight,
00:33:31.440 the ability
00:33:32.320 to anticipate
00:33:33.380 future
00:33:34.180 conditions,
00:33:35.420 and economic
00:33:36.440 loss occurs
00:33:37.700 when market
00:33:38.880 actors fail
00:33:40.020 to anticipate
00:33:40.960 the future.
00:33:41.860 The possibility
00:33:43.000 of riches
00:33:43.760 if one succeeds
00:33:44.960 and the
00:33:45.660 guarantee
00:33:46.180 of painful
00:33:47.500 failures
00:33:48.240 if one
00:33:48.760 doesn't,
00:33:49.620 forces producers
00:33:50.820 and service
00:33:51.680 providers on
00:33:52.440 the market
00:33:52.940 to constantly
00:33:54.300 weigh risks
00:33:55.300 and opportunities.
00:33:57.260 Government,
00:33:58.360 however,
00:33:59.500 immunizes itself
00:34:00.760 from the
00:34:01.220 profit and
00:34:01.940 loss system
00:34:02.780 and therefore
00:34:03.480 from much
00:34:04.700 of the need
00:34:05.580 to weigh
00:34:06.140 risk.
00:34:07.420 Sure,
00:34:07.920 some county
00:34:08.440 officials may
00:34:09.080 resign because
00:34:09.860 of this,
00:34:10.660 and the share
00:34:11.280 price of
00:34:12.020 Hawaiian electric
00:34:12.960 may dip,
00:34:13.900 but the people
00:34:14.680 of Maui will
00:34:15.420 be forced to
00:34:16.300 keep compensating
00:34:17.480 the very
00:34:18.220 organizations that
00:34:19.420 have failed
00:34:19.980 them,
00:34:20.560 and there is
00:34:21.160 nothing natural
00:34:22.180 about that kind
00:34:23.180 of a disaster.
00:34:23.920 Now,
00:34:25.800 I want you
00:34:26.740 to take this
00:34:27.320 beyond Maui.
00:34:30.760 Why are we
00:34:31.920 still in the
00:34:32.800 financial troubles
00:34:33.840 that we were
00:34:34.760 in in 08?
00:34:35.800 Why are we
00:34:36.480 still looking
00:34:37.540 at banking
00:34:38.400 collapses?
00:34:39.960 I'll tell you
00:34:40.560 why.
00:34:41.380 Because the
00:34:42.060 banks weren't
00:34:42.780 held responsible.
00:34:44.480 No one felt
00:34:45.620 the actual
00:34:46.700 pain
00:34:47.480 except you.
00:34:50.000 Why are
00:34:51.000 our
00:34:51.540 schools
00:34:52.900 failing us
00:34:54.060 because the
00:34:55.200 teachers unions
00:34:56.160 are in bed
00:34:57.200 with the
00:34:57.600 Department of
00:34:58.220 Education,
00:34:58.760 and no one
00:35:00.180 is held
00:35:00.760 responsible.
00:35:02.220 Nobody pays
00:35:03.020 the price
00:35:03.780 for this
00:35:04.200 education
00:35:04.740 except you
00:35:06.080 and your
00:35:06.680 children.
00:35:08.440 Afghanistan.
00:35:09.640 Why did all
00:35:09.980 those people
00:35:10.440 die?
00:35:11.060 Don't know
00:35:11.620 because no
00:35:12.480 one was
00:35:13.200 held
00:35:13.520 responsible.
00:35:15.060 Inflation.
00:35:16.120 It's the
00:35:16.600 government in
00:35:17.360 bed with the
00:35:17.960 Fed,
00:35:18.420 and no one
00:35:19.440 is held
00:35:20.100 responsible.
00:35:21.460 Crime on
00:35:22.040 the streets,
00:35:23.080 no one is
00:35:23.660 held
00:35:23.880 responsible.
00:35:24.780 Crime and
00:35:25.300 corruption in
00:35:26.020 D.C.,
00:35:26.680 no one is
00:35:27.620 held
00:35:27.940 responsible.
00:35:29.180 The media
00:35:29.860 lies and
00:35:30.780 lies and
00:35:31.440 lies,
00:35:32.120 and no
00:35:32.800 one is
00:35:33.600 held
00:35:34.060 responsible.
00:35:36.380 All of
00:35:37.300 these things
00:35:38.120 is the
00:35:38.700 government
00:35:39.300 in bed
00:35:40.420 with private
00:35:41.260 corporations
00:35:42.080 or unions,
00:35:43.100 and they
00:35:45.300 don't have
00:35:46.200 to pay a
00:35:46.820 price because
00:35:47.900 the government
00:35:49.200 is in bed
00:35:51.000 with them.
00:35:52.320 The government
00:35:53.240 never has to
00:35:54.280 pay a price
00:35:54.860 because they
00:35:55.620 can just
00:35:56.220 print more
00:35:56.920 money.
00:35:58.560 The only
00:35:59.500 one that
00:35:59.940 pays a
00:36:00.320 price is
00:36:00.960 you,
00:36:01.440 and in
00:36:01.680 this
00:36:02.040 particular
00:36:02.680 case,
00:36:03.780 the poor
00:36:04.580 people of
00:36:06.240 Lahaina in
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00:36:08.940 Where are
00:36:09.780 they going
00:36:10.280 to go?
00:36:11.180 Because I
00:36:11.620 can guarantee
00:36:12.380 you if
00:36:12.900 Dark Future
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00:36:15.180 is going to
00:36:15.960 take that
00:36:16.560 land and
00:36:17.300 make it
00:36:17.680 into a
00:36:18.080 national
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00:36:19.220 something like
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00:36:51.700 The best of
00:36:52.260 the Glenn Beck
00:36:52.760 program.
00:36:54.060 Now,
00:36:54.640 Saurabh,
00:36:55.680 not often do
00:36:56.940 I have a
00:36:57.380 friend that
00:36:58.120 says,
00:36:58.800 you know,
00:36:59.520 Woodrow
00:36:59.760 Wilson was
00:37:00.300 great,
00:37:01.220 but I'm
00:37:03.140 making the
00:37:03.660 exception with
00:37:04.640 you,
00:37:05.020 and I
00:37:05.300 really want
00:37:06.480 to go
00:37:06.720 through your
00:37:07.700 book.
00:37:08.020 I've enjoyed
00:37:08.560 reading it.
00:37:09.960 Well,
00:37:11.620 thank you
00:37:11.940 for having
00:37:12.300 me back,
00:37:12.860 Glenn.
00:37:13.280 I'm happy
00:37:13.820 to talk
00:37:14.220 about old
00:37:14.720 Woodrow.
00:37:15.980 Okay.
00:37:17.060 So,
00:37:17.820 first of all,
00:37:18.600 outline the
00:37:19.240 problem that
00:37:20.200 you see.
00:37:22.460 Yeah,
00:37:23.060 sure.
00:37:23.740 It's a
00:37:24.440 problem of
00:37:25.500 economic
00:37:26.340 coercion that
00:37:27.540 ordinary people
00:37:28.860 face in
00:37:29.980 daily life.
00:37:31.220 We as
00:37:31.940 Americans,
00:37:32.680 but especially
00:37:33.200 as the
00:37:33.640 conservative
00:37:34.080 movement,
00:37:35.020 in the last
00:37:35.900 few generations
00:37:36.660 since Goldwater
00:37:37.580 Reagan,
00:37:38.020 has come
00:37:39.100 to think
00:37:39.660 of
00:37:40.240 coercion
00:37:41.780 and unjust
00:37:42.580 coercion
00:37:43.240 as only
00:37:44.040 what government
00:37:44.780 does.
00:37:46.040 In recent
00:37:46.800 years,
00:37:47.260 we've come
00:37:47.880 face-to-face
00:37:48.820 with a
00:37:50.080 new mode
00:37:50.620 of coercion
00:37:51.940 which is
00:37:52.460 either directed
00:37:54.120 exclusively from
00:37:55.500 the private
00:37:55.960 sector,
00:37:56.560 from large
00:37:57.260 corporations,
00:37:58.580 banks,
00:37:59.020 etc.,
00:37:59.560 or some
00:38:00.800 combination of
00:38:01.800 those types
00:38:02.360 of businesses
00:38:02.920 in collusion
00:38:04.040 with government.
00:38:05.300 So there are
00:38:05.620 really big
00:38:06.380 headline-grabbing
00:38:07.220 cases
00:38:07.720 that I
00:38:08.900 talk about
00:38:09.320 in the
00:38:09.560 book like
00:38:10.340 the censorship
00:38:12.200 of the
00:38:12.500 Hunter Biden
00:38:13.060 story by
00:38:13.940 Twitter and
00:38:14.460 Facebook where
00:38:15.080 I was at
00:38:15.560 kind of the
00:38:16.560 eye of the
00:38:16.980 storm when
00:38:17.380 that happened
00:38:17.920 and I came
00:38:18.420 and spoke
00:38:18.980 with you on
00:38:19.480 the show
00:38:19.760 about it
00:38:20.180 just as it
00:38:20.640 was unfolding
00:38:21.280 and the
00:38:23.680 debanking
00:38:24.260 of people
00:38:25.100 whose political
00:38:26.780 views aren't
00:38:27.640 acceptable to
00:38:28.900 the liberal
00:38:29.280 left,
00:38:30.360 etc.,
00:38:30.800 etc.
00:38:31.300 But there are
00:38:32.820 also less
00:38:33.480 visible kinds
00:38:34.360 of this,
00:38:34.880 right?
00:38:35.140 So for
00:38:35.460 example,
00:38:36.240 and this will
00:38:36.820 get us
00:38:37.480 into the
00:38:37.780 weeds and
00:38:38.060 I won't
00:38:38.320 go too
00:38:38.720 far into
00:38:39.100 the weeds,
00:38:39.560 but the
00:38:40.640 use of
00:38:41.360 commercial
00:38:42.400 arbitration
00:38:43.180 in the
00:38:43.620 workplace,
00:38:43.980 just to
00:38:44.580 give one
00:38:44.880 example,
00:38:45.800 arbitration
00:38:46.380 is good,
00:38:47.080 it's a
00:38:47.300 kind of
00:38:47.700 a neutral
00:38:48.400 mediator
00:38:48.980 comes between
00:38:49.940 two merchants
00:38:51.000 of relatively
00:38:51.720 equal bargaining
00:38:52.660 power,
00:38:53.160 they agree not
00:38:53.860 to go to
00:38:54.320 court if they
00:38:54.820 have a dispute,
00:38:55.760 but to
00:38:56.220 privately
00:38:56.580 resolve it.
00:38:57.520 That's fine,
00:38:58.280 that's been
00:38:58.740 around since
00:38:59.280 1925 with
00:39:00.460 the Federal
00:39:00.800 Arbitration
00:39:01.440 Act.
00:39:01.740 But in
00:39:02.600 recent decades,
00:39:04.040 increasingly
00:39:04.600 workers'
00:39:05.240 complaints are
00:39:05.900 corralled into
00:39:06.780 these types
00:39:07.400 of courts,
00:39:08.480 privatized
00:39:09.000 courts,
00:39:09.440 where like
00:39:10.200 Ernst & Young
00:39:10.920 or Bank
00:39:11.300 of America
00:39:11.720 get to
00:39:12.140 set the
00:39:12.500 rules,
00:39:13.340 and you
00:39:13.760 as the
00:39:14.100 worker are
00:39:14.460 far less,
00:39:15.360 you don't
00:39:15.600 have the
00:39:16.080 same bargaining
00:39:16.620 power where
00:39:17.340 you can say
00:39:17.900 no to this
00:39:18.560 or dispute
00:39:19.080 this,
00:39:19.700 and it
00:39:20.000 means that
00:39:20.300 you can't
00:39:20.800 vindicate
00:39:21.280 rights that
00:39:21.860 you otherwise
00:39:22.400 have,
00:39:23.460 I don't
00:39:23.720 know,
00:39:23.900 like the
00:39:24.340 Fair Labor
00:39:24.720 Standards
00:39:25.080 Act or
00:39:25.540 whatever
00:39:25.800 kind of
00:39:26.700 economic
00:39:27.120 rights you
00:39:27.560 might think
00:39:27.940 of become
00:39:28.900 blocked.
00:39:30.240 And so
00:39:30.700 that's the
00:39:31.420 problem.
00:39:32.020 I talk about
00:39:32.760 the kind of
00:39:33.240 hot headline
00:39:34.040 grabbing cases
00:39:34.880 like Amazon
00:39:36.400 making a lot
00:39:38.380 of money out
00:39:38.920 of the pandemic
00:39:39.500 because they
00:39:40.740 were deemed
00:39:41.280 essential whereas
00:39:42.540 lots of small
00:39:43.280 businesses weren't,
00:39:44.520 and then oppressing
00:39:45.180 their own workers
00:39:45.940 and their kind of
00:39:46.640 hellish Dickensian
00:39:47.540 warehouses.
00:39:49.160 I talk about
00:39:49.760 those, but
00:39:50.120 much of the
00:39:51.200 book is about
00:39:51.700 these less
00:39:52.240 visible kinds
00:39:53.280 of private
00:39:54.780 coercion where,
00:39:55.660 for example,
00:39:56.820 the Sackler
00:39:57.600 family of
00:39:58.400 notoriety
00:39:59.020 associated with
00:39:59.960 the opioid
00:40:00.900 crisis was
00:40:02.260 able to use
00:40:03.220 the coercive
00:40:04.180 elements of
00:40:04.760 U.S.
00:40:05.120 bankruptcy law
00:40:05.860 to shield
00:40:06.380 their assets
00:40:07.140 from states
00:40:09.220 and from
00:40:09.620 hospitals,
00:40:10.620 from insurers
00:40:11.340 and ordinary
00:40:11.880 Americans who
00:40:12.400 had been harmed
00:40:12.880 by the opioid
00:40:13.480 crisis.
00:40:14.420 So I just
00:40:14.860 suggest that,
00:40:15.980 and here
00:40:16.280 where the
00:40:16.840 kind of
00:40:17.220 bit that you
00:40:18.020 mentioned about
00:40:18.520 Woodrow Wilson
00:40:19.000 comes in,
00:40:19.580 that conservatives
00:40:20.340 used to
00:40:21.280 actually be
00:40:22.120 more attuned
00:40:23.500 to this
00:40:23.920 problem.
00:40:25.220 In other
00:40:25.580 words,
00:40:26.260 Wilson was not
00:40:27.000 the only one.
00:40:27.640 There was a
00:40:27.920 kind of
00:40:28.380 tradition in
00:40:29.280 the GOP,
00:40:30.500 figures like
00:40:31.160 Teddy Roosevelt,
00:40:32.140 then especially
00:40:32.700 after the New
00:40:33.400 Deal,
00:40:33.760 figures like
00:40:34.240 Eisenhower and
00:40:35.020 Nixon,
00:40:35.780 who recognized
00:40:36.700 that there is
00:40:37.660 such a thing
00:40:38.180 as private
00:40:38.680 tyranny,
00:40:39.440 and the way
00:40:40.240 to take
00:40:41.720 charge of
00:40:42.280 it or to
00:40:42.700 tame it
00:40:43.280 is by
00:40:44.160 greater
00:40:44.760 democratic
00:40:45.520 control and
00:40:47.140 sort of
00:40:47.520 political response
00:40:48.620 to giant
00:40:49.400 market actors
00:40:50.120 that otherwise
00:40:50.960 get to set
00:40:51.580 their own
00:40:51.920 prices,
00:40:52.860 their oligopolies,
00:40:53.800 so that their
00:40:54.720 prices that they
00:40:55.540 set,
00:40:55.820 how they
00:40:56.620 treat their
00:40:56.980 workers and
00:40:57.360 stuff,
00:40:57.600 is not
00:40:58.100 that kind
00:40:59.220 of free
00:40:59.560 market
00:41:00.040 arcadia,
00:41:02.280 that paradise
00:41:03.140 that still
00:41:03.600 was described
00:41:04.300 by Adam
00:41:04.920 Smith in
00:41:05.360 the late
00:41:05.620 18th
00:41:06.040 century.
00:41:07.140 The markets
00:41:08.040 are much
00:41:08.400 more complex,
00:41:09.140 much more
00:41:09.480 concentrated,
00:41:10.580 so it
00:41:10.820 requires
00:41:11.360 greater
00:41:12.380 state
00:41:13.000 efforts
00:41:13.480 to protect
00:41:14.580 us from
00:41:14.980 being
00:41:15.240 debanked
00:41:16.040 by a
00:41:17.300 large
00:41:17.500 bank the
00:41:17.900 way Nigel
00:41:18.340 Farage
00:41:18.720 was in
00:41:19.100 Britain.
00:41:19.320 So here's
00:41:21.100 my question
00:41:22.580 to you,
00:41:22.940 because this
00:41:23.340 is the
00:41:23.840 debate that
00:41:24.620 I think
00:41:25.080 we're
00:41:26.080 having now.
00:41:27.760 Are we
00:41:28.320 going to
00:41:28.840 go back
00:41:29.600 to a
00:41:30.060 constitution
00:41:30.560 that really
00:41:31.260 hasn't been
00:41:31.740 used in
00:41:32.220 100 years,
00:41:33.480 and are
00:41:35.080 we going
00:41:35.320 to reset
00:41:36.020 back to
00:41:37.240 its factory
00:41:37.900 settings,
00:41:38.800 or are we
00:41:39.400 going to
00:41:40.060 develop
00:41:40.680 something
00:41:41.120 entirely new?
00:41:42.220 And the
00:41:42.540 left has
00:41:42.980 already made
00:41:43.480 their choice.
00:41:44.240 They are,
00:41:45.160 and I think
00:41:45.580 you would
00:41:45.880 agree with
00:41:46.820 me,
00:41:46.940 I think,
00:41:48.220 that we
00:41:49.220 are right
00:41:49.960 now a
00:41:51.740 pretty fascistic
00:41:53.020 kind of
00:41:54.000 country,
00:41:54.400 where the
00:41:55.220 government is
00:41:55.860 in bed with
00:41:56.660 these corporations,
00:41:58.300 and they're
00:41:59.500 doing the
00:41:59.980 bidding for
00:42:00.580 one another,
00:42:01.380 so they can
00:42:01.860 get things
00:42:02.300 done.
00:42:02.720 And if you
00:42:03.020 play ball,
00:42:03.720 then you
00:42:04.200 get money,
00:42:04.780 and you
00:42:05.020 get all
00:42:05.720 kinds of
00:42:06.140 perks.
00:42:06.420 If you
00:42:06.620 don't play
00:42:07.100 ball,
00:42:07.440 you're out
00:42:07.700 of business.
00:42:08.640 Would you
00:42:08.900 agree with
00:42:09.200 that?
00:42:10.760 Well,
00:42:10.960 I actually
00:42:11.740 do want to
00:42:12.700 go back to
00:42:13.240 our
00:42:13.380 constitutional
00:42:13.920 tradition.
00:42:14.620 I would
00:42:14.820 only suggest
00:42:15.860 that our
00:42:16.780 constitutional
00:42:17.400 tradition is
00:42:18.440 more complex
00:42:19.920 than some,
00:42:21.560 I would
00:42:22.180 say,
00:42:22.480 doctrinaire
00:42:23.120 libertarian
00:42:23.880 free market
00:42:24.460 types suggest.
00:42:25.840 In other
00:42:26.220 words,
00:42:27.020 our
00:42:27.440 constitution
00:42:28.120 shaped men
00:42:30.140 like Alexander
00:42:30.900 Hamilton,
00:42:31.560 and it was
00:42:32.220 very much
00:42:33.320 seen as a
00:42:36.240 developmental
00:42:36.720 state,
00:42:37.480 right?
00:42:37.720 Because
00:42:37.960 Hamilton and
00:42:39.300 John Marshall,
00:42:40.700 very influential
00:42:41.480 Supreme Court
00:42:42.060 justice early
00:42:42.740 on,
00:42:43.580 they were
00:42:44.040 determined that
00:42:44.840 the United
00:42:45.280 States wouldn't
00:42:45.960 become like a
00:42:46.720 backwater for
00:42:47.600 Britain where
00:42:48.480 all they get
00:42:49.200 is natural
00:42:49.660 resources here
00:42:50.500 and they
00:42:50.840 treat us as
00:42:51.580 a captive
00:42:52.980 market for
00:42:53.720 Britain's own
00:42:54.540 industrial
00:42:55.440 development and
00:42:56.600 industrial
00:42:57.400 manufacturing
00:42:58.120 products.
00:42:58.680 So they did
00:42:59.060 all sorts of
00:42:59.640 things like
00:43:00.300 setting in
00:43:01.540 place a
00:43:02.280 first bank
00:43:02.920 of the
00:43:03.160 United States
00:43:03.980 to ensure
00:43:05.780 a steady
00:43:06.400 supply of
00:43:07.020 credit that
00:43:07.480 was disciplined
00:43:08.120 and wasn't
00:43:08.720 kind of wild.
00:43:09.780 They created
00:43:10.860 internal
00:43:13.060 improvements and
00:43:14.080 import
00:43:14.460 substitutions
00:43:15.280 and tariffs
00:43:15.880 and so on
00:43:16.340 and so
00:43:16.580 forth.
00:43:16.980 This was
00:43:17.300 all within
00:43:17.960 the founding
00:43:19.440 generation or
00:43:20.520 within living
00:43:21.080 memory of the
00:43:21.740 founding generation.
00:43:22.720 So the idea
00:43:23.780 of a state
00:43:24.360 that kind of
00:43:26.240 takes charge of
00:43:26.980 the economy for
00:43:27.740 the general
00:43:28.180 welfare wasn't
00:43:30.140 alien to the
00:43:31.300 founding generation.
00:43:32.840 And of course
00:43:33.260 then you have
00:43:33.680 like the
00:43:34.760 Jacksonians come
00:43:35.600 around because
00:43:36.260 then they
00:43:36.960 noticed that
00:43:37.500 that bank
00:43:38.040 now had
00:43:38.460 become the
00:43:38.860 second bank
00:43:39.340 of the United
00:43:39.720 States had
00:43:40.120 sort of become
00:43:40.660 a vehicle for
00:43:41.480 the wealthy.
00:43:42.580 So Andrew
00:43:42.900 Jackson waged
00:43:44.640 war against
00:43:45.260 it and sort
00:43:45.780 of said hey
00:43:46.220 we need
00:43:46.640 greater political
00:43:47.340 control over
00:43:48.620 these institutions
00:43:49.420 that kind of
00:43:50.540 can shape the
00:43:51.840 lives of yeoman
00:43:52.580 farmers and
00:43:53.420 workers and so
00:43:54.780 on and so
00:43:55.120 forth.
00:43:55.480 So because the
00:43:58.280 economy and
00:43:59.240 politics can't
00:44:00.240 be so neatly
00:44:00.980 ever separated
00:44:01.920 the American
00:44:03.680 traditions never
00:44:04.300 thought of the
00:44:05.020 economy as this
00:44:06.680 autonomous zone of
00:44:08.200 perfect freedom
00:44:09.100 and competition.
00:44:09.800 they realize that
00:44:10.860 it's all bound
00:44:11.460 up with what
00:44:12.160 government does
00:44:13.380 or chooses not
00:44:14.280 to do.
00:44:15.420 So I'm just
00:44:16.460 arguing for a
00:44:17.140 more complex
00:44:17.860 reading of the
00:44:18.840 American tradition.
00:44:19.780 So here is the
00:44:21.320 issue and I think
00:44:22.180 our founders came
00:44:23.140 down to this.
00:44:25.280 Where are the
00:44:26.580 better angels
00:44:28.100 now in
00:44:29.880 Google,
00:44:30.960 Facebook,
00:44:32.200 Apple?
00:44:33.740 Where are the
00:44:34.540 better angels in
00:44:35.680 Washington?
00:44:36.880 Where are the
00:44:37.720 better angels in
00:44:38.960 the media?
00:44:40.380 Where are they?
00:44:43.400 Well,
00:44:44.020 you know,
00:44:44.600 unfortunately,
00:44:45.340 I would just say
00:44:46.200 that the founders
00:44:47.480 could be pretty
00:44:48.640 cynical about
00:44:50.040 human nature.
00:44:51.340 And so they
00:44:51.900 had, you know,
00:44:52.420 as Madison
00:44:53.780 famously wrote,
00:44:54.980 you know,
00:44:55.220 if men were
00:44:55.960 angels, you
00:44:56.520 wouldn't need
00:44:56.960 government.
00:44:57.680 But as it is,
00:44:58.440 men are not
00:44:59.160 angels.
00:45:00.240 And so although
00:45:01.940 Lincoln was
00:45:03.040 obviously the
00:45:04.140 better angels
00:45:06.640 guy,
00:45:06.960 he expressed
00:45:09.220 that as a
00:45:09.840 sentiment to
00:45:10.440 call forth,
00:45:11.340 you know,
00:45:11.580 the best of
00:45:12.520 us.
00:45:13.700 He was
00:45:14.980 somebody that
00:45:16.780 was very,
00:45:17.960 very alone
00:45:18.500 and really
00:45:20.280 an aberration.
00:45:21.720 You know,
00:45:22.080 the man
00:45:24.080 is an animal.
00:45:26.340 He is an animal
00:45:27.760 and he is
00:45:28.720 driven by many
00:45:29.620 things.
00:45:30.160 At the very
00:45:30.740 bottom,
00:45:31.260 it's food and
00:45:32.200 water and
00:45:32.920 survival.
00:45:33.660 But as he
00:45:34.880 becomes more and
00:45:35.720 more powerful,
00:45:36.460 he is driven by
00:45:37.540 money,
00:45:38.540 power over
00:45:39.440 people,
00:45:40.560 fame,
00:45:41.000 and those
00:45:42.580 things all
00:45:43.780 corrupt.
00:45:44.600 They all
00:45:44.960 corrupt.
00:45:45.920 And our
00:45:46.380 problem is,
00:45:47.600 is that we
00:45:48.440 have everybody,
00:45:49.860 it seems,
00:45:50.420 at the top
00:45:51.260 has been
00:45:52.580 corrupted one
00:45:53.960 way or
00:45:54.700 another.
00:45:55.580 And the
00:45:56.940 reason why it
00:45:58.240 is corrupt,
00:45:58.840 I believe,
00:45:59.600 is because the
00:46:00.920 government can
00:46:02.580 be bought off
00:46:03.660 by giant
00:46:04.560 corporations and
00:46:05.840 little people
00:46:06.820 don't have the
00:46:07.920 money to buy
00:46:08.820 them off.
00:46:09.340 So there's no
00:46:09.860 representation.
00:46:11.000 The people who
00:46:13.100 are running for
00:46:13.680 office, they
00:46:14.360 don't care what
00:46:15.500 the people do.
00:46:16.440 They'll say
00:46:16.920 whatever they
00:46:17.520 have to to
00:46:18.820 get them to
00:46:19.400 vote for them.
00:46:20.360 But they don't
00:46:20.860 actually care or
00:46:21.980 like those people.
00:46:22.940 They're not
00:46:23.380 representing.
00:46:24.280 They're representing
00:46:24.980 themselves.
00:46:26.600 So everything
00:46:27.180 that is happening
00:46:28.020 is a corruption
00:46:29.080 of us not
00:46:31.760 putting the
00:46:32.580 shackles on a
00:46:34.020 powerful government
00:46:35.200 but letting,
00:46:36.580 quite honestly,
00:46:37.340 the Woodrow
00:46:37.800 Wilson
00:46:38.200 administrative
00:46:39.460 state,
00:46:40.080 where no
00:46:41.160 one answers
00:46:42.680 for the
00:46:43.440 wrong,
00:46:45.240 just letting
00:46:46.080 it grow.
00:46:47.680 Yep.
00:46:48.280 So, first
00:46:49.440 of all, the
00:46:49.800 bit that I
00:46:50.260 quote from
00:46:50.740 Wilson is
00:46:51.340 just to say
00:46:51.960 that during
00:46:52.500 wartime,
00:46:53.240 during World
00:46:53.740 War I,
00:46:54.340 whether you
00:46:54.740 agree in the
00:46:55.220 U.S.
00:46:55.460 entry into
00:46:55.980 World War I
00:46:56.520 or not,
00:46:57.260 he showcased
00:46:58.320 that you can
00:46:59.220 bring government,
00:47:00.660 labor,
00:47:01.500 management,
00:47:02.500 businesses
00:47:02.880 together to
00:47:03.980 say how do
00:47:04.500 we build up
00:47:06.420 the whole
00:47:06.740 economy and put
00:47:07.500 it on a war
00:47:08.000 footing and be
00:47:09.180 able to deliver
00:47:09.700 material to
00:47:10.600 Europe and
00:47:11.800 men and so
00:47:12.380 on and so
00:47:12.740 forth,
00:47:13.000 logistics.
00:47:14.300 And that
00:47:15.460 model is now
00:47:19.020 woven through
00:47:19.620 the American
00:47:20.060 tradition and it
00:47:21.900 finds its
00:47:22.280 fullest flowering
00:47:23.140 in the deal.
00:47:23.780 But then, as I
00:47:24.660 said, Eisenhower
00:47:25.700 went even further
00:47:26.540 on some of this
00:47:27.760 kind of logic of
00:47:28.600 government, labor,
00:47:30.180 workers, and
00:47:31.200 then management and
00:47:32.020 business all
00:47:32.580 coming together to
00:47:33.600 make decisions for
00:47:34.640 the general welfare
00:47:35.400 of the whole,
00:47:35.860 which, again,
00:47:36.720 because of that
00:47:37.300 Hamiltonian streak
00:47:38.340 in the founding
00:47:39.720 is not some
00:47:40.460 obnoxious and
00:47:41.920 weird thing.
00:47:42.380 But the problem
00:47:42.940 is that I
00:47:44.220 think that the
00:47:45.600 conservative
00:47:46.480 movement has,
00:47:48.440 because it's,
00:47:49.740 especially, again,
00:47:50.480 since Goldwater
00:47:51.040 Reagan says,
00:47:51.740 I reject the
00:47:52.760 administrative say,
00:47:53.540 all of that.
00:47:55.100 We don't
00:47:56.100 take part in it.
00:47:57.260 We don't, like,
00:47:58.000 actively try to
00:47:59.140 shape it.
00:47:59.660 So it comes
00:48:00.200 down like a,
00:48:00.980 it only comes
00:48:01.840 down like a
00:48:02.280 boot on our
00:48:02.760 faces.
00:48:03.140 And that's,
00:48:03.980 the frustration
00:48:04.660 is understandable.
00:48:05.640 I mean, I'm not,
00:48:06.380 I'm no fan of
00:48:07.160 vaccine mandates,
00:48:07.980 and I'm on the
00:48:08.560 record about all
00:48:09.800 of that.
00:48:10.220 But, you know,
00:48:11.960 the bottom line
00:48:12.780 is that already
00:48:15.020 by the 19th
00:48:15.740 century, we had
00:48:16.400 an unbelievably
00:48:17.100 complex economy.
00:48:18.920 And you had,
00:48:19.860 if you, if left
00:48:20.660 to its own
00:48:21.080 devices, you
00:48:21.640 would have very
00:48:23.100 few people
00:48:23.900 concentrating power
00:48:25.280 and wealth to
00:48:25.860 the detriment of
00:48:26.860 the farmer, the
00:48:27.880 debtor, the
00:48:28.560 worker, and so
00:48:29.380 on and so forth.
00:48:30.380 And that
00:48:30.760 complexity requires
00:48:32.660 equally complex
00:48:33.640 government, because
00:48:34.200 Congress can't,
00:48:35.300 like, regulate
00:48:37.420 the minutiae of
00:48:38.400 the railroad
00:48:38.820 business.
00:48:39.340 It can just
00:48:39.740 broadly say,
00:48:40.700 well, the
00:48:40.980 railroad should
00:48:41.480 be this and
00:48:41.940 that.
00:48:42.220 But to deal
00:48:42.720 with the
00:48:43.040 railroad business
00:48:43.680 at the granular
00:48:44.380 level, you need
00:48:45.780 the complexity of
00:48:47.000 the administrative
00:48:47.560 state.
00:48:49.140 You know, and I
00:48:49.520 think a lot of
00:48:50.080 conservatives who
00:48:50.940 say, well, this
00:48:52.560 is just all
00:48:53.060 unconstitutional, I
00:48:53.820 don't want any
00:48:54.320 of it, I invite
00:48:55.440 them to take the
00:48:56.340 first flight after
00:48:57.820 the, like,
00:48:58.500 Federal Aviation
00:48:59.780 Administration
00:49:00.300 has been abolished,
00:49:01.540 or to, you
00:49:02.520 know, all
00:49:02.640 to see what
00:49:04.600 their neighborhoods
00:49:05.000 are like once
00:49:05.700 police is abolished,
00:49:06.880 right?
00:49:07.060 All of this sort
00:49:07.600 of service.
00:49:07.980 Police?
00:49:08.720 Nobody's talking,
00:49:09.840 nobody in the
00:49:10.600 conservative side is
00:49:11.500 talking about
00:49:12.140 abolishing police.
00:49:13.140 Well, I mean, I
00:49:13.720 hear about, like,
00:49:14.480 you know, FBI
00:49:15.720 abolition.
00:49:16.760 Oh, yeah.
00:49:17.280 I'm fully on
00:49:18.860 board for that.
00:49:20.000 Fully on board.
00:49:20.620 So, totally.
00:49:21.500 I agree insofar
00:49:22.620 as the FBI has
00:49:23.520 become this sort
00:49:24.500 of lawless
00:49:25.540 agency that's
00:49:26.360 used to, again,
00:49:27.760 Glenn, remember,
00:49:28.500 I'm on the
00:49:29.200 right.
00:49:29.420 I know, I
00:49:30.440 know, no, no.
00:49:31.780 Right.
00:49:32.260 So, Rob, I'm not.
00:49:33.380 You know, there are
00:49:33.820 things that the FBI
00:49:34.920 does besides
00:49:35.880 persecuting, you
00:49:36.860 know, Trumpians
00:49:37.780 that is actually
00:49:38.360 pretty valuable.
00:49:39.200 So, we're not
00:49:40.100 prepared to give
00:49:40.760 that stuff up.
00:49:41.640 So, even like
00:49:42.160 Vivek Ramaswani,
00:49:43.980 who's called for
00:49:44.600 abolition of the
00:49:45.380 FBI, is calling
00:49:46.360 for some other
00:49:47.300 agency that would
00:49:48.220 do the things
00:49:49.280 that the FBI
00:49:49.780 is supposed to
00:49:50.600 do.
00:49:51.120 So, the point
00:49:51.720 is that
00:49:52.100 administrative state
00:49:53.040 is, to some
00:49:54.220 extent, unavoidable.
00:49:55.200 It's a sort of
00:49:55.700 extension of
00:49:56.580 Congress's will
00:49:57.700 in a complex
00:49:58.800 society and
00:49:59.780 economy.
00:50:00.240 How do we deal
00:50:00.760 with this
00:50:01.060 complexity?
00:50:01.700 Well, you've
00:50:02.360 got to delegate
00:50:02.820 it to these
00:50:03.320 experts.
00:50:03.820 But, if we
00:50:04.720 don't take part
00:50:05.460 in it on the
00:50:05.960 right, if we
00:50:06.500 don't try to
00:50:07.040 shape it,
00:50:07.920 then we get
00:50:08.600 So, Rob, we
00:50:09.640 are having the
00:50:10.400 same conversation
00:50:11.560 that our founders
00:50:12.400 had with
00:50:13.100 Hamilton.
00:50:13.660 This is the
00:50:14.120 same argument.
00:50:14.760 And it will
00:50:15.260 never go away
00:50:16.160 because it's
00:50:16.580 the original
00:50:17.160 argument.
00:50:19.220 Let me just
00:50:19.960 ask you this.
00:50:20.640 It is great.
00:50:21.620 I'm enjoying
00:50:22.480 having you on.
00:50:23.740 I hope you
00:50:24.180 don't feel
00:50:25.100 otherwise.
00:50:25.600 I know, I know.
00:50:26.540 How do we
00:50:27.300 avoid centralizing
00:50:28.420 power to the
00:50:29.720 extent that it
00:50:32.600 causes us to
00:50:33.840 be vulnerable to
00:50:34.840 the bad guy
00:50:35.620 grabbing the
00:50:36.360 reins?
00:50:38.420 Yep.
00:50:38.640 So, I mean,
00:50:39.080 I think that
00:50:39.920 one way that
00:50:41.400 certainly the
00:50:42.240 book, which as
00:50:42.880 you can tell
00:50:43.340 from what I'm
00:50:44.520 saying is heavily
00:50:45.740 focused on the
00:50:46.520 economy, is we
00:50:48.860 need to promote
00:50:50.380 a high-wage
00:50:51.900 manufacturing economy
00:50:53.340 like we had, you
00:50:55.240 know, in the
00:50:55.580 mid-century era, in
00:50:56.700 the mid-20th century
00:50:57.640 era.
00:50:58.280 And we were told
00:50:59.380 that, oh, it's
00:50:59.960 inevitable, we all
00:51:00.980 can only either do
00:51:01.960 services or financial
00:51:03.280 industry or these
00:51:04.800 like apps, like
00:51:06.000 porn apps.
00:51:06.920 Right.
00:51:07.060 And we deliberately
00:51:08.260 gave up our
00:51:08.900 own manufacturing.
00:51:09.620 Correct.
00:51:10.120 When you have a
00:51:10.860 high-wage economy
00:51:11.940 that's where workers
00:51:13.880 are dignified and
00:51:15.040 they're paid well and
00:51:15.920 they're skilled like
00:51:16.720 we did, again, we
00:51:17.460 did in the mid-century
00:51:18.260 era, they're not so
00:51:20.120 at the mercy of the
00:51:21.140 government either.
00:51:22.680 They're not so
00:51:23.520 powerless.
00:51:24.280 So what the problem
00:51:24.900 right now is we have
00:51:25.980 a low-wage, high-welfare
00:51:29.500 economy.
00:51:30.460 What that means is not
00:51:31.460 that the welfare net is
00:51:32.640 all that generous, it
00:51:33.460 actually can be kind of
00:51:34.240 miserly because you have
00:51:35.160 to pass all these tests
00:51:36.200 and so forth.
00:51:37.140 But the point is that
00:51:37.900 the typical worker, the
00:51:39.460 working poor or like the
00:51:40.900 bottom half of the
00:51:41.960 country in many ways, in
00:51:43.660 order to make ends meet,
00:51:44.800 they have to rely on a
00:51:45.720 high share of all kinds
00:51:46.960 of welfare that doesn't
00:51:48.500 come from their job, it
00:51:49.440 comes from their
00:51:49.920 taxpayer.
00:51:50.940 And that puts you at
00:51:52.000 the mercy, not just of
00:51:53.120 course of the boss,
00:51:54.160 because you're very
00:51:55.140 vulnerable, anything that
00:51:56.520 happens, you get fired,
00:51:57.500 but it also puts you at
00:51:58.620 the mercy of the
00:52:00.740 welfare administrator and
00:52:02.040 more broadly of the
00:52:03.020 administrative state.
00:52:03.840 So if we, I mean, I
00:52:05.840 think conservatives are
00:52:06.640 coming around to this
00:52:07.580 that, hey, we didn't
00:52:08.800 have to ship off
00:52:09.740 manufacturing to like
00:52:10.980 Vietnam and China, but
00:52:12.260 it's not like, it's not
00:52:13.980 like, you know, China's
00:52:15.720 brutal labor laws and
00:52:17.140 horrible government are a
00:52:19.300 natural competitive
00:52:20.720 advantage.
00:52:21.500 It's just that, it's just
00:52:22.620 how they run their
00:52:23.320 country and we made a
00:52:24.200 choice to ship off our
00:52:25.760 jobs.
00:52:26.100 I think here where we
00:52:27.560 can agree on is the
00:52:28.760 importance of restoring a
00:52:31.480 manufacturing high-wage
00:52:32.740 economy.
00:52:33.180 I mean, limits on
00:52:35.480 immigration help with
00:52:36.360 that, you know, because
00:52:37.840 if there's always a
00:52:39.680 reserve of poorly paid
00:52:41.380 labor who's willing to do
00:52:42.380 things for less, then
00:52:43.540 that's, you know, it
00:52:44.820 weakens our workers.
00:52:46.400 The book is called
00:52:47.040 Tyranny Eek, and so,
00:52:48.260 Rob, I hope we continue
00:52:49.280 our conversation.
00:52:50.660 I disagree with you
00:52:52.700 pretty wholeheartedly,
00:52:54.720 but I will fight to the
00:52:56.980 death for your right to
00:52:57.900 say it, and I hope we
00:52:58.840 can have more
00:52:59.440 conversations with this
00:53:00.940 attitude on the
00:53:02.660 program with you.
00:53:03.700 Thank you.
00:53:04.020 You're very kind, Glenn.
00:53:05.600 Thank you.
00:53:06.100 Bye-bye.
00:53:06.340 Na na na na