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00:00:00.000 i had a couple hours crack hour with biggs or what's the stuff on russia it's huge

00:00:06.700 that was scary is that getting scary it is getting scary i think we i think there's an initial

00:00:13.820 thought i think by a lot of people like why are we worrying about this it's over there and

00:00:18.900 and it just now that we're over a year into it and russia is saying things like yeah we can't

00:00:25.080 lose because uh if we do it'll be civil war so you know yeah we'll probably get to nuclear weapons

00:00:29.740 if we're going to lose this thing it's really bad and then and then iran i mean you know israel's

00:00:35.840 gonna do something israel's gonna do something uh what is that gonna do to to the world because 1.00

00:00:42.880 remember iran is now an ally of china and russia oh that's good that's really good i mean there's

00:00:51.400 just so much that could go on including the ransomware that we talked about on today's

00:00:55.960 program there's just so much we had andy biggs on um he was he's trying to stop the funding uh

00:01:03.240 in congress but he's pretty much fighting alone i urge you to listen to that steve krakauer talks

00:01:08.640 about the media uh from the inside out he's written a new book called uncovered and uh he's got people

00:01:15.660 on record by name he wouldn't take any anonymous sources and he's got people in the new york times

00:01:21.700 going yeah we're crazy yeah we've done some really crazy things i don't know what's happening

00:01:26.840 we're destroying media you know he's got them from every from everywhere uh sources inside

00:01:34.560 mainstream media telling you what's really going on it's an eye-opening uh eye-opening book um we

00:01:41.420 also have daniel horowitz on talking about something else you have to worry about now that treaty with the

00:01:46.340 who which will take your sovereignty away if we have another pandemic which should be coming in a

00:01:56.540 hundred years if that's a hundred year event uh we have another pandemic the who will take 20 percent

00:02:04.040 of all of our medical resources and distribute them all around the world uh and we have to live by

00:02:12.240 whatever the who is saying that's good that's really good that's what joe biden is uh trying

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00:03:37.180 all right there is a uh a news story uh that is out from memory memory is a great organization

00:03:48.120 that translates all of the stuff on um saudi arabian qatar and

00:03:54.740 all arabic speaking uh channels because they don't say the same things in arabic that they will

00:04:02.640 in english but i want you to be very well aware of what is being said there there is just a uh an

00:04:11.660 interview that happened on al uh arabia it's a network from saudi arabia and it was with alexander

00:04:19.880 dugan it just happened on the 23rd and i just got the translation for it dugan said and all of this

00:04:27.780 is a quote this is a very dangerous war since russia cannot lose it this will bring russia to its end

00:04:36.980 russia cannot say fine we'll give up the areas we've taken over such a thing would lead to a

00:04:43.500 domestic explosion and russia would find itself in a civil war russia cannot lose under any circumstance

00:04:51.720 since a single step backward would lead to a thousand step backwards um russia will fight to

00:05:00.060 the end because we simply cannot stop we cannot lose and we will not be satisfied until ukraine is

00:05:08.480 fully liberated from the pro-nato political elites regardless of the cost this is what we will

00:05:15.840 consider a victory russia itself will not use nuclear weapons so it has no reason to threaten

00:05:23.320 nuclear war however there will be such a threat if russia begins to lose and in such a case russia may use

00:05:32.060 nuclear weapons so if russia is allowed to win the war this would still constitute a victory for the west

00:05:39.940 and defeat for russia except russia would survive and humanity would be saved however in either scenario

00:05:49.800 there will be no ukraine it will disappear if we win and it will disappear along with all of humanity 1.00

00:05:59.340 if a nuclear apocalypse begins even if we imagine a ukrainian victory after so many people die 0.52

00:06:07.140 and the infrastructure is completely destroyed no one will be ready to rebuild this huge country

00:06:13.120 therefore ukraine does not actually exist if only we had refrained from destroying the soviet union

00:06:21.400 or had broken the necks of gorbachev and yeltsin at the right time

00:06:26.520 in my opinion this is alexander dugan on saudi arabian television that has just been translated

00:06:36.340 in my opinion the west is the source of absolute evil now think saudi arabia is cozying up to whom 0.98

00:06:48.280 china and russia they have already dismissed us and anything we claim on opec we are no longer

00:06:59.440 close allies with saudi arabia what have we been saying for the longest time to the left

00:07:07.600 we've been telling the left forever why are you in bed with all of these horrible people 1.00

00:07:17.000 that are muslim extremists because they'll kill you first they don't agree with with your thing 1.00

00:07:24.800 they don't agree with jesus so they'll come for the christians but they'll probably kill you first 1.00

00:07:30.560 because you are dumping filth into the atmosphere right listen to this he's telling saudi arabian viewers 0.99

00:07:40.200 in my opinion the west is a source of absolute evil it uses artificial intelligence to destroy the family 0.98

00:07:48.100 sex and the nature of human beings i believe that the muslims understand me well because i believe 0.91

00:07:56.640 that the west is an antichrist or no sorry is the antichrist putin does not think so at all

00:08:04.560 he sees the west as a partner who behaves very aggressively for whatever reason but now we're at

00:08:10.940 war with the west because its ally decided to fight us but if the west did not decide to fight us

00:08:18.560 we would be supplying it with cheap oil and gas

00:08:21.820 this is apocalyptic kind of language coming from one of the guy who's been described as putin's brain

00:08:34.400 okay now i want to give you just a little thing on just to

00:08:39.700 urge you to understand what we may be facing i don't want anybody to freak out but i do want you

00:08:50.000 to be mentally and physically prepared

00:08:52.340 the biden administration when they came into office they said we're going to reduce the role

00:08:59.440 of nuclear weapons in the u.s strategy oh good okay so we're doing that

00:09:04.060 um however there are now four countries all aligned against america and against the west

00:09:14.280 and all of them pretty evil iran uh north korea china russia vladimir putin announced on the 21st that

00:09:29.760 they were suspending the participation in the new start so there's no arms treaty between the u.s

00:09:35.700 for the first time since 1972 between the u.s and russia on february 19th it was reported uh that the

00:09:44.600 international atomic energy agency inspectors caught iran enriching uranium to 84 percent purity

00:09:51.980 you need 90 percent purity they say this is if it hasn't happened yet we are within days

00:10:00.380 of them being able to enrich plutonium um uh or uranium and getting it to bomb ready the time to act

00:10:12.260 now against iran is almost at zero okay once they can do it they can do it

00:10:21.840 biden administration uh has been trying to negotiate limits on iran's nuclear program

00:10:29.300 but then they started breaking down and cracking down on their protesters

00:10:34.640 and biden says he's willing to use force as a last resort but the moment of last resort is right

00:10:40.940 now and far as we know we are not readying any military options but the israelis will even if they

00:10:49.280 have to go by themselves they will on february 18th north korea conducted a test of nuclear capable

00:10:58.080 intercontinental ballistic missiles it demonstrated the ability to reach the continental u.s this is now

00:11:06.940 the third country we have iran and iran is now in negotiations with russia to buy the intercontinental

00:11:18.200 ballistic missiles from russia and they'll cap them themselves with their atomic bombs okay so now that's 0.92

00:11:26.360 three north korea uh as this uh threat grows the allies are of america are now worried about our

00:11:38.240 credibility and they're now starting to build their own nuclear arsenals uh south koreans are in strong

00:11:46.560 support of building an independent nuclear force on february 7th the pentagon notified congress that china

00:11:54.340 now has more icbms than we do john f kennedy said in 1962 the only way we're safe is if we are bigger

00:12:04.600 and stronger than everyone else this is what happens when american power is diminished i've been telling you

00:12:14.240 this for years the minute america has no credibility not only will we rapidly come under attack from

00:12:22.760 everybody who's ever hated us but the world will spiral into chaos

00:12:28.180 you don't have to just think of i want to add two more things to this pile and i'm sorry to do this to

00:12:41.700 you i really am um but it is i believe my calling to warn you of what is possibly coming i can't say this is

00:12:55.640 coming but i i will tell you that

00:12:58.820 at this point i can't tell whether this is a prompting or or not i can't tell so i don't know

00:13:09.040 if this is coming from me and if it's coming from me it's usually wrong if it's a prompting it's never

00:13:15.800 wrong but i can't tell which it is but i feel time is running short because we could bomb israel not us

00:13:23.920 israel could bomb um iran iran today and that could start things in motion so you need to know this

00:13:34.960 there is a nuclear complex do you remember in ukraine where this nuclear complex came under

00:13:43.300 russian control for a while and everybody was worried that they were going to destabilize it and

00:13:48.340 use it and shut it down well unfortunately we're now starting to consider that that could be a weapon

00:13:56.120 and not even intentional but there's a lot of fighting going on around there if you have a chernobyl

00:14:02.960 accident from fighting you could have it would be a just a global catastrophe but the thing that you

00:14:13.520 the thing that i know no sorry one other thing besides the nuclear catastrophe i told you uh that there

00:14:24.000 was a ammunition storage facility in moldova and uh i've heard several things about it that it

00:14:32.840 is really bad holds soviet era stuff and then i've heard that it's really nothing um and they can't be

00:14:38.980 used but it is the largest um depository of old soviet bombs etc etc there is a twitter account and i

00:14:48.720 i am not claiming this to be true it's called the or open source intelligence monitor and uh

00:14:59.020 it uh it uh has said that the quote former military inspectorate of ministry of defense of moldova

00:15:08.160 has said the armed forces uh of some country i've never heard of have rigged all arms depot

00:15:15.500 depot within the breakaway region including the depot with explosives so if any military operations begin

00:15:23.080 it will cause a massive explosion keep your eye on moldova but here's the thing that you must know those are all the

00:15:34.300 possibilities and they are becoming more and more likely because we are looking so incredibly weak

00:15:41.220 um but one that i can tell you is happening and will happen and you must prepare your family for this

00:15:53.480 russian defense ministry uh a journal from the russian defense ministry says moscow is developing a

00:16:04.600 new type of military strategy using nuclear weapons to protect against possible u.s aggression

00:16:11.060 now they're saying that they are developing uh a new strategic response and they are going with that

00:16:20.820 however that's preparing this is doing this from national review for the second time in a few weeks

00:16:30.240 listen to this a federal law enforcement agency suffered a serious cyber attack and the u.s department of

00:16:38.180 health and human services warned that russian linked ransomware group called clop had reportedly taken

00:16:45.960 responsibility for the mass attack on more than 130 organizations including the health care industry

00:16:52.800 ransomware attacks are now common as rainstorms in a busy news cycle you might not have heard but two

00:17:01.860 federal law enforcement agencies have had serious cyber attacks this last month cnn reported that the

00:17:09.520 fbi's new york field office was investigating and working to contain malicious cyber incident a part of its

00:17:16.080 computer network in recent days involving computer systems used in investigation of images of child

00:17:22.860 sexual sexual sexual exploitation then nbc news reported late yesterday that the u.s marshal service

00:17:31.140 suffered a security breach over a week ago that compromised sensitive information in a statement monday u.s

00:17:38.260 marshal service spokesperson drew wade acknowledged the breach telling nbc news the affected system contains law

00:17:46.060 enforcement sensitive information including returns from legal processes uh administrative information uh

00:17:52.700 personally identifiable information pertaining to subjects of the u.s marshals investigation third parties

00:17:59.280 and employees wade said the incident occurred february 17th so far there's no indication that the two

00:18:06.560 attacks are connected however the cyber hostage taking ransomware um that often strong arms

00:18:15.500 institutions into making hefty ransom patient payments to regain access to their computer systems

00:18:21.640 is now a fact of life for u.s uh corporations and the government last week the department of health and human

00:18:31.780 services warned that russians and russian linked ransomware groups like clop had reportedly taken

00:18:39.540 responsibility for a mass attack on more than 130 organizations including the health care industry

00:18:46.540 this is the best of the glenbeck program

00:18:53.460 welcome to the glenbeck program uh what is the definition

00:19:03.280 of a fascist what what does it mean if you're called a fascist

00:19:10.340 well it uh it means public private partnership that privately people can own whatever they want

00:19:19.460 but they have to do certain things uh that the government tells them to do or they're in trouble

00:19:26.380 now try this president biden's plan to plow billions of dollars into semiconductor manufacturing

00:19:32.520 represents a sharp turn in american economic policy one aimed at countering china by building up a single

00:19:38.780 critical industry but biden is going even further he's using the money to change how corporations behave

00:19:46.600 if semiconductor manufacturers want a piece of the 40 billion dollars from the administration

00:19:53.540 they will need to provide child care for their employees run their plants on low emission sources of

00:20:01.240 energy pay union wages for construction workers shun stock buybacks and potentially share certain profits with the government

00:20:11.780 that is a public private partnership that is the definition of fascism if you're not clear on that you need to do some more

00:20:24.140 work now look at look at look at what we have in front of us today from the new york times washington one of president biden's most ambitious proposals

00:20:38.060 a 400 billion dollar program to forgive student loan debt for 40 million americans could become the latest victim of a legal tug-of-war with the supreme court over the powers of the presidency

00:20:51.360 over the powers of the presidency conservative justices on the court signaled tuesday that they are deeply skeptical that mr biden has the power

00:21:02.040 to wipe out such vast amount of student debt what how was our government set up there are three branches and they're all checks and balances

00:21:13.020 the reason we're out of balance is because congress and the founders never saw this happening gave their power

00:21:20.920 to the executive branch so it's like a merging of of two branches into one it's just a showpiece you don't hear them actually debate

00:21:32.060 there's like six people that come up with the bills then they force people to uh vote uh yes for them

00:21:39.540 they're not informed of what the bill even is that's not representational government you got six people

00:21:44.700 in the congress and they're doing the bidding of the administration and all the bills that passed

00:21:50.340 they just give more money to the administration and then the administration makes the laws and the rules

00:21:56.880 that you have to live by again that is fascism

00:22:01.640 so he's saying that he can just wipe out the debt of 40 million americans

00:22:10.600 our checks and balances system is broken because congress is no longer a check on the president the

00:22:18.060 president's no longer a check on congress and now it's just congress is the administrative state

00:22:24.840 and the last holdout hope for the constitution which the job of the supreme court is to say

00:22:32.060 is this constitutional or not it is definitely not constitutional for the for the executive office

00:22:42.700 to have the most power uh he said the new york times goes on it was not the first time the court

00:22:51.160 has suggested that mr biden has overstepped his authority he didn't overstep it he seized it

00:22:58.460 there's a siege on the constitution uh but this case has the potential to curtail mr biden's ambitions

00:23:06.320 just as newly empowered republicans in the house have vowed to block his every move in congress

00:23:10.580 during mr biden's first two years in office court blocked him from enacting key parts of his agenda

00:23:15.360 including sweeping measures to address climate change vaccine requirements at large companies

00:23:22.000 and a ban on evictions uh during the pandemic look the conservative court will say the president cannot

00:23:31.800 do this and uh you know the left should celebrate because i mean unless you know something about the

00:23:40.660 elections i don't know and you're denying when uh the next election comes and god forbid for you it's a

00:23:50.140 republican you don't want the president to have this kind of power we don't want the president and

00:24:00.200 the administrative state to be able to control every aspect of your life period this is something that

00:24:08.920 all americans used to understand and all americans used to stand for i so strongly disagree with you

00:24:17.180 but i will fight to my last breath for your ability to say it we used to understand if there is a civil

00:24:26.860 rights abuse anywhere on anyone it's a civil rights abuse on everyone

00:24:34.720 but we don't do that anymore why because the parties knew they could weaponize us

00:24:43.940 we're being used now fascistic why is our second amendment in existence i don't ask you to agree

00:24:54.480 with it or not why is it in existence it wasn't because of sports it was to protect yourself against an

00:25:03.620 out of control government that's clear why they put that in there because the king wanted to take

00:25:10.660 away everybody's arms okay so you have no power against a king and i can't stand the argument that

00:25:19.440 says oh you know what well we got fighter jets and everything else well the taliban sure held up didn't

00:25:24.840 it huh they wow they're in charge of the country now why not because they had a big missile program

00:25:34.220 but because they had small arms so why do we have that for protection against an out of control government

00:25:44.620 what is the very first thing that fascists do when they get into office they abolish the right to bear

00:25:54.100 arms in country after country after country once they disarm people then it's over they can do 0.74

00:26:01.760 whatever they want because they no longer fear the backlash because they no longer fear you at the

00:26:07.500 ballot box that's clear the only thing they fear is there's more of us than there is of them

00:26:13.760 biden said yesterday that he is going to ban salt weapons and high capacity magazines come hell or high water

00:26:24.440 he then um uh announced that the justice department would give 231 million dollars to states

00:26:36.680 used for crisis intervention now that is that means strengthen the red flag programs these awards will support

00:26:46.580 the kinds of crisis intervention programs that we know that will save lives and help protect children

00:26:50.960 families and communities across the country against senseless acts of gun violence that's not true that's not

00:26:57.200 true red flags red flags he said will only save lives if community members effectively use this tool

00:27:06.900 today's announcement gives states funding to educate the public about extreme risk protection orders

00:27:11.680 that train law enforcement and other officials regarding this intervention this means i'm in a divorce

00:27:17.140 my wife knows how much guns mean to me she could say he's a danger to us and the family

00:27:24.940 and i don't even get a chance to respond they're just gone they're gone are you kidding me did you ever

00:27:34.080 read anything about the stasi when the police have control and you can just swear out something and say

00:27:42.860 i'm telling you i saw this and they can come in and take it from you and you don't have any right left

00:27:50.080 you're in fascism you're in a gulag state by the way we have armed we have armed the usda 0.74

00:28:04.820 we have armed federal agents that are going out and talking to farmers with cows

00:28:13.580 why why why do we have this this state is growing out of control right now yesterday we are asking for

00:28:25.220 emails involving trump you know amongst the fbi the fbi said we can't do that it's going to take us six

00:28:32.220 years no it's not no it's not you've got a heap of money hire a bunch of people get it done when is

00:28:40.120 somebody just going to say get it done maryland garland he wants to grow it even more he said we

00:28:46.680 just don't have enough personnel we just need to hire more fbi agents no we don't

00:28:52.040 there's a probe on capitol hill into january 6th we now know that the fbi was involved we still can't

00:29:04.120 get any answers but we know they were involved we know that they had information they know we know

00:29:11.200 now the capitol police had the information we know that nancy pelosi and chuck schumer had that

00:29:17.080 information that this was a real and credible threat and yet the police and fbi did nothing

00:29:25.160 why is that why is that is it so hard to believe that maybe they thought well we can put them down

00:29:33.420 but this will cause so much trouble god only knows maybe they will kill mike pence well how great

00:29:39.860 would that be for our side not that mike is dead but we could say look at these killers they immediately

00:29:46.820 immediately started calling it the worst attack since the civil war they knew they wanted it they'll use

00:29:55.940 it the fbi is a tool now for the fascistic state

00:30:04.020 unfortunately i have to say you know i've i just read a story yesterday from uh i don't remember

00:30:13.660 which news organization it was but it was talking about how the fbi agents well there's one in today's

00:30:19.040 story too uh in today's headlines by the way get my show prep every day there's so much i don't have time

00:30:24.600 to cover today's show prep is unbelievable um just get it sign up for it it's free at glennbeck.com

00:30:32.060 it's free glennbeck.com please if you want to stay informed read that every morning but there's a story

00:30:40.020 in there uh today about how the fbi agents were fighting the fbi brass over the donald trump thing

00:30:49.520 and they were told sit down and shut up well you know what guys i'm sorry i i think all of you need

00:30:56.520 to be out of a job if i were president i would clean house and shut the fbi down if i was president

00:31:03.260 here's my policy have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back in reset to factory settings

00:31:13.120 and there's just not enough of you that are willing to speak out what is it going to take

00:31:20.540 before you will admit the corruption because the more corrupt it becomes the more corrupt you become

00:31:30.020 i just

00:31:34.720 urge you

00:31:37.640 tolerate no

00:31:40.680 lives

00:31:41.900 no lies

00:31:43.300 in your life

00:31:44.260 no lies

00:31:45.220 if there is corruption

00:31:47.720 in your life

00:31:49.180 get rid of it

00:31:50.480 clean it up

00:31:51.680 stand

00:31:54.140 where god wants you to stand

00:31:56.180 because fire is coming

00:31:58.400 and only the things that have already been purified

00:32:02.960 the refiner's fire it burns out all the infection

00:32:06.960 it burns out all of the imperfections in in things like gold

00:32:12.920 that refiner's fire is coming to each of our lives

00:32:17.060 clean it out now because that fire does not destroy things that are true and good

00:32:25.460 you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program

00:32:31.300 steve when you were when did you when did we work together we would i was here from 2013 to 2015

00:32:41.240 including working right here in this uh down the hall in the studio for uh for a couple years

00:32:45.860 you were here in the dark days

00:32:48.240 dark days of eight years

00:32:49.960 dark days and now you went to megan kelly i think she's hired everybody who's ever worked with me

00:32:54.980 natasha who's doing great

00:32:57.060 she's doing great i love her

00:32:58.600 um what's it like to work for megan

00:33:00.860 megan's fantastic i i really you know i was such a fan of hers for for years i i first met her i think

00:33:06.700 in 2009 on her fox show and just to see the evolution of what she's done and now really being

00:33:12.420 on the outside but having that that real power when it that comes with the independent media these

00:33:17.500 days um it's just been great you know really i think we we go anywhere we touch any of the third

00:33:21.940 rails she loves that eats that up and and i think we're you know we we can connect with an audience

00:33:26.420 in a way that i think you just you just can't in traditional media anymore she is one of the

00:33:31.400 people that i think um a good number of people trust yeah because it's not just her agenda i i

00:33:40.180 really believe that she's wrong about something boy i got that one wrong right you know that doesn't

00:33:46.020 happen in media no no i think that so much of the corporate press these days and i write about a lot

00:33:51.900 and uncover is so just panicked about the state of the business and about this their standing in

00:33:57.840 terms of like institutional power that that they they refuse to correct the record when they get

00:34:03.400 it wrong to acknowledge it to have any introspection help us out because stew and i were talking about 0.91

00:34:08.180 it um uh what yesterday or day before if they just said wow do we get it we get it okay we are screwing

00:34:18.640 this up we made this mistake this mistake and we're going to take steps to correct those so it doesn't

00:34:23.260 happen again but we get it and we admit that there's been a problem that would do so much to

00:34:29.840 restore even a hope of credible days coming your way right but they won't do it do they are they afraid

00:34:37.080 do they do they just not get it are they so arrogant that they think no america is wrong yes i i think

00:34:44.840 that there's a there's a huge portion of that you know i i after trump was elected in november 2016 which

00:34:49.840 i actually do think was this really seminal moment i talked to people in the book about how i mean it

00:34:55.160 was no one in that newsroom in new york and dc believed that was even possible so this happens

00:34:59.760 and then i i end up writing this proposal this idea that you know how can you see in the media that

00:35:05.100 you're blind spots and i called it all my favors this was april of 2017 went to cnn nbc abc cbs and

00:35:11.800 said look here's a little proposal on on maybe how you can reconnect how you can have some introspection

00:35:16.420 and talk to the people see what what was maybe missed and there was a little bit of interest but

00:35:20.620 ultimately you know passed and and that was really what turned into this book because it was

00:35:24.400 it's it's something that's missing and frankly glenn i think what happened was instead of accepting

00:35:30.220 that they missed something they not only turned against trump and the administration and in a very

00:35:34.280 strong and obvious way but against the people that put him there and that's just going the opposite

00:35:38.340 direction it's funny i didn't know you were doing that i did the same thing and uh i remember

00:35:42.920 talking to chuck todd and i said chuck huge blind spots yeah huge blind spots and uh you know just

00:35:51.860 don't continue down this path i'd like to sit and talk with you or anybody else that would be

00:35:57.320 interested so you can understand the other side all they really wanted to do was nobody took me up on it

00:36:04.440 but when i would talk to them on the phone all they wanted to do was say this was crazy i guess we are

00:36:09.460 missing something right but that guy's crazy and and then they just double down on it i think we we

00:36:14.680 see it though literally by geography i mean we're we both live in dallas you know we're outside of the

00:36:19.720 new york and dc establishment i think by design and you see people that every day that have complicated

00:36:25.280 messy points of view a lot of people i know who were gay and supported trump i mean you know big

00:36:30.160 second amendment supporters but are democrats i mean it's it's a mess and so when you don't have that

00:36:34.920 perspective in new york and dc newsrooms that's what leads to these blind spots and and no

00:36:39.800 introspection about it you know i know you say this in the book and it's it's practically a quote from

00:36:44.140 paul harvey who said you want to fix the media get them out of new york and washington he said move

00:36:51.140 them to chicago right right yeah get them somewhere else in the country because because i i do you know

00:36:56.180 you talked in the last hour about the uh the anti-freedom authoritarians and i i write in the book i

00:37:01.160 describe it as anti-speech activists in the media these days because i actually think it's gotten

00:37:06.360 significantly worse and more pernicious in how the media has handled the the general public since

00:37:12.640 trump left office we saw this i think almost beginning i begin the book with the hunter biden

00:37:16.540 laptop coverage because we now have a media that you would think the the one occupation that would

00:37:22.600 care the most about free speech and the and the free flow of ideas that should be the media that

00:37:27.080 should be journalists but instead it's gone the other way they have wanted to clamp down on

00:37:31.360 information getting to the public we see this so much with covid and and so much in other stories

00:37:36.140 where it's a real distrust in the public we do we don't we don't know if you can handle this

00:37:41.180 information and that's actually that's something that's gotten worse i remember when i started here

00:37:46.540 at the blaze we did this this campaign i think it was called uh more voices not less i have a t-shirt

00:37:51.420 with it and even then you know 2013 it was like we don't want to get rid of msnbc or the left we want

00:37:55.780 to get more voices out there right and and there was a little bit of that of pushing against that

00:37:59.700 at the time but it has gotten so much worse in such a short amount of time now where i actually

00:38:04.580 think it's really more concerning that the media themselves don't even understand that the the

00:38:09.640 principles that they once had about you know accepting a freedom of speech and the first amendment

00:38:14.740 i don't i don't understand how they how they miss that everything they used to be for

00:38:21.200 including anti-war it seems as though uh the right is standing up for individual rights they're

00:38:31.040 standing for all these things and the left is diametrically opposed to everything they ever

00:38:36.920 stood for yeah the new left and the new establishment media i mean i i was talking to glenn greenwald a

00:38:42.120 couple days ago and it reminded me i i glenn came to this studio and in 2015 i remember april 2015 and we

00:38:48.360 were talking a couple right down the uh the hallway here about which which we talked with glenn greenwald

00:38:52.700 you know he's a big lefty big bernie sanders guy oh we talk about you know surveillance state and

00:38:57.760 about you know the snowden and hillary clinton being established it was a great interview you did with

00:39:01.720 him and it was a couple blocks and he did some things for the website after that was eight years ago

00:39:06.520 and that was a time that glenn greenwald was a regular on chris hayes's show on msnbc and on cnn

00:39:11.820 pulitzer prize winning journalist the way that glenn is now perceived in the press i mean he is like

00:39:17.380 persona non grata on anywhere else in the press these days and it's not because glenn greenwald

00:39:22.380 changed or matt taibbi or barry weiss or you or me we are essentially the same or a lot of people in

00:39:28.520 this audience but the the corporate press has changed so much that a person who has the exact

00:39:34.120 same ideals like glenn greenwald or or others is now just completely excommunicated and assigned

00:39:40.180 to places like you know substack or rumble now and and great because they can accrue a big audience

00:39:45.580 but that's not them changing that is as i lay out and uncovered the corporate press fundamentally

00:39:50.620 changing from the way they were even five seven years ago i said uh in 2007 maybe that the media

00:39:59.940 is going to come to a place to where um government needs them they need government and tech is going to

00:40:07.960 need both of those too and they're going to start getting money from the government right how long can

00:40:15.240 these things last i mean they are just hemorrhaging cash yeah hemorrhaging yeah the business model has

00:40:21.880 has completely changed and and that's a thing i mean if the cnn's of the world were doing everything

00:40:26.380 right journalistically every single day the traditional viewer of cnn is going away and finding

00:40:31.200 other outlets and so so i do think that that's some of them is heaven or hell dying pretty quickly

00:40:38.500 that's yes yes that that is the business model yeah the very old model um and a lot of it i have

00:40:44.220 to say is is twitter because you know twitter has has shown in a very real way it's one of the reasons

00:40:49.020 i actually love twitter is because we get to see the media treat the these this open platform like it's

00:40:55.140 their diary and they can just i read that and i read that in the book i loved that observation it was

00:41:01.200 it was the first time you could see them right you know what i mean right and they i don't think

00:41:08.240 they understand how how you know damaging it is to the credibility of the journalists themselves

00:41:13.020 and the organizations because you get to see how i i describe in the book a new york times reporter

00:41:19.180 who right after uh governor northam won in virginia described it as a the only reason as white grievance

00:41:27.040 politics and they were able to change this is what he just his instant analysis right a few days later

00:41:32.020 this is a a news journalist a news reporter publishes a story talking to a dozen people a

00:41:37.560 dozen white farmers in in the border of virginia and west virginia and covers the story as exactly

00:41:42.640 that way and so you see he he it if it was an opinion column fine but he called he starts with a

00:41:49.180 place he already knows where he's going to go and you can see it play out on twitter and then you can

00:41:54.260 track that all the way and so i i lay out story after story like this and uncovered not just to

00:41:58.780 say this is what happened but also so the the average american can see this is the truth this is

00:42:03.920 why it happens so and be better i get this question all the time and i know at the end of the book you

00:42:09.360 talk about you know things that that the media can do and we can do but i hear this all the time

00:42:15.080 i don't know how to i don't have the resources of a staff and everything else

00:42:20.740 how do i where do i go for the truth and and how do i know when i have the truth yeah it's it's it's

00:42:28.960 extremely challenging and you're right most people are not like me where i'm digging into the media

00:42:33.580 every single day they don't have a job exactly yeah people are have families and lives and like

00:42:38.480 to go outside and not spend all day on twitter so uh yeah i think it's really challenging but i do

00:42:42.820 think that that it makes places like this show and the megan kelly show and what's happening on

00:42:47.100 substack with people like you know matt taibbi even more valuable because they can cut through

00:42:50.880 the noise and you can do it look i i i've i've sort of curated a twitter feed that i trust okay

00:42:55.740 that that takes time also that's challenging but i i think in the absence of a corporate press that's

00:43:00.880 really serving the people and i i don't anticipate them changing in a fundamental way anytime soon i i i

00:43:06.660 think that they get that there's a problem because as you mentioned financially there's a problem

00:43:10.520 so i get that they understand it but they are not going to turn this giant tanker around very fast

00:43:16.440 so in the in the absence of that i think you need to find the people that you trust to cut through

00:43:20.640 the noise to give it to you straight and and rely on them so i feel like the it person for the entire

00:43:29.100 world uh that we were just talking about this the federal government is like it's all broken i don't

00:43:35.700 know what to do same with the media well i don't know what to do have you tried unplugging it and

00:43:41.260 plugging it back in restore it to the factory settings any chance that they save themselves

00:43:48.640 and get it in the end i i think that there's a chance i'm generally an optimist um but i think

00:43:53.840 it's going to take a very long time because honestly it's not just that they're it's not

00:43:57.540 ideological there's so many problems that the anti-speech activists but also i remember glenn the

00:44:02.800 first time we ever met was in like 2009 because i was a viewer of your fox show not even as a fan

00:44:08.460 politically but as just a fan of television and and you were doing something so different and so

00:44:13.620 unique at the time that is really missing in a lot of places i it's few and far between that you get

00:44:18.860 anything that's not boring consensus bland how to do it yeah they don't know how to do it and that's a

00:44:24.360 problem too because if you know exactly what the person you you're going to tune into is going to

00:44:28.420 say every day and you also don't particularly trust that person like on cnn or msnbc or abc or cbs

00:44:34.240 then what's the point what's the reason and you're right it's going to take a full-scale

00:44:38.460 reworking of the of the entire media ecosystem to get it back into place that serves the people

00:44:43.320 imagine how arrogant you have to be if you know because when i left fox you know half the country

00:44:49.200 hated me hated me yeah um and you can't you can't be in that position without going gosh am i that

00:44:57.640 person you know yeah they have what a 13 approval rating that's that's crazy nobody is a fan of any of

00:45:07.400 the journalists um and how arrogant do you have to be to keep getting the message that we don't agree

00:45:16.580 with you and keep doubling down saying it's you not me and they can't dismiss it as politics either

00:45:23.840 i write about in the book one of the polls the independent line i think is so important right

00:45:27.800 the independent line and trust in the press has completely fallen off a cliff in five years

00:45:33.360 now what does that say that's not people that are just hardcore maga fans of trump correct no this is

00:45:38.700 people that the the average person who's not overly political maybe who's not someone who you know

00:45:44.300 cares about politics every day just wants the general news they've lost an immense amount of trust

00:45:49.700 because they don't see a place like the new york times or a place like cnn as the boring old news

00:45:54.920 anymore now they have a spin also well i can't trust them either that's that's a real problem and that's

00:45:59.800 not ideological either steve krakauer is uh who i've been talking to the name of his book is uncovered

00:46:06.060 how the media got cozy with power abandoned its principles and lost the people it really is if you want

00:46:13.880 to understand uh what's happened and how to navigate in a sea of people that you just don't trust steve was

00:46:23.940 in the system like i was in the system he got out of the system and now he's out of the power centers

00:46:29.940 and it clears your vision and i have to tell you i so respect you for not using a single uh source that

00:46:38.760 is unnamed right you refuse to do that right talk to 26 people on the record everyone puts their name

00:46:44.140 to it people in the industry also new york times people former new york times staffers really tell

00:46:48.540 it to me straight it took a lot of convincing to do that but i think it's important because yeah i don't

00:46:53.140 think people trust anonymous sources anymore either and i have respect for people who will put their name

00:46:58.820 behind what they say thank you so much steve thanks glenn appreciate it get the book now it is uncovered

00:47:03.500 by steve krakauer

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