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00:00:00.000 so we begin the monologues today with uh ai and what is happening with uh ai the president says

00:00:10.400 he wants to own some of these ai companies you know some sort of sovereign fund what is that

00:00:16.680 this is not a new idea this is actually hamilton uh hamilton's bargain is what it's actually called

00:00:22.320 and there's a lesson to it i take you through that also uh we tell you some great stories of

00:00:29.200 founders and

00:00:31.160 you know the war

00:00:32.380 we think the war started when we

00:00:35.260 declared our independence. The war was already going

00:00:37.260 on. Declaration of Independence

00:00:39.100 came after the battleships and

00:00:41.280 this week is the

00:00:43.100 anniversary, 250th anniversary of

00:00:45.240 a really important battle

00:00:47.360 in South Carolina. We tell you a story

00:00:49.440 that I had never heard

00:00:51.380 before. I mean I'm sure people in South

00:00:53.260 Carolina are like, you dummy? Of course 0.97

00:00:55.160 that's what it is. I didn't know.

00:00:57.300 And you'd be fascinated by it and

00:00:58.860 we have special guest tim barton in our lives our fortunes our sacred honor it's the story of the

00:01:03.960 56 americans it's a book that is on sale today they tell the best stories and get it right

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00:01:37.140 Hello, America. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:01:40.220 We have just taken another giant leap for mankind.

00:01:44.820 Kind of giant leap for mankind.

00:01:48.180 The president yesterday signed an executive order that America will lead in the quantum tech race.

00:01:57.060 what does that mean oh it means everything and we'll get into that here in just a second

00:02:02.540 uh also the president is is floating a trial balloon about taking pieces of uh the ai companies

00:02:10.620 let's not i'll explain why this is actually something that hamilton was for believe it or

00:02:18.660 not we i mean you know the the founders you know people like they could have never seen this coming

00:02:24.660 No, but they saw a lot of things that are exactly like today.

00:02:29.380 And I'll explain.

00:02:30.720 Alexander Hamilton saw AI coming.

00:02:33.280 No, but he saw this problem coming.

00:02:37.280 All right, so let me give you a couple of stories here.

00:02:41.140 Trump has just signed an executive order to lead the quantum tech race.

00:02:45.680 It's the first order that pushes for a U.S. quantum computer at a national lab by 2028

00:02:55.040 Plus sensors and networks in five years

00:02:59.380 While expanding training and supply chains across agencies, energy, commerce, and NASA

00:03:11.060 Quantum computing is something you're not going to have access to

00:03:15.680 quantum computing is uh is everything uh quantum computing coupled with

00:03:25.160 artificial super intelligence changes the entire world the problem with all of this stuff is you're

00:03:34.840 not going to have access to it the government will um the government you know we're in this

00:03:43.140 catch 22 the government has to have control of quantum computing for their own sake because

00:03:50.140 there will be no secrets your bank account will be gone the minute we have quantum computing

00:03:55.220 any country can destroy the other because we they can they'll just wipe out bank accounts

00:04:01.280 overnight they just wipe them out there's no secrets there's no national secrets you'll be

00:04:06.160 able to go into, hack into our codes to launch missiles. There are no secrets. There are no

00:04:15.600 doors that have any locks once you have quantum computing. That's the biggest problem. And that's

00:04:22.480 the second post that he did for the executive order. And that is, we have to have by 2030,

00:04:29.600 2031 uh encryption that is quantum that will uh will stop any kind of quantum attack on uh

00:04:39.080 on encryption so we have to have it i just don't like the government having access to things that

00:04:45.300 the average person can't have access to um and i don't want access to encryption you know technology

00:04:51.820 etc etc but um this is much more than that and you combine it with the other thing that was floated

00:04:58.920 yesterday uh jd vance uh said yesterday the president is supportive of the united states

00:05:04.780 owning these big ai companies he likes the idea sort of as a sovereign wealth fund idea okay

00:05:13.240 that's good i understand the sovereign wealth uh thing and i understand where trump is coming from

00:05:20.180 on this um where he's coming from is he believes that that the nation needs to be strong you know

00:05:28.700 this is the same argument that was made back in the colonial era. Let me tell you a story about

00:05:33.840 an argument, okay? Because it just walked into the room with a new face, but it's the same argument.

00:05:40.560 It's the winter 1791. Two men are sitting in the same cabinet and they can't stand each other.

00:05:49.340 They can't stand what the other one wanted to build. Alexander Hamilton, he was an orphan. He

00:05:54.320 was an immigrant. He was a genius. He was the first secretary, treasury secretary. And he looked

00:05:59.780 at this fragile, broke, barely stitched together republic and saw what America could be great

00:06:06.720 someday. We could be a great power. He saw way over the horizon, but he believed that to get

00:06:13.300 there, the government had to do something really, really bold. It had to partner with the biggest

00:06:18.620 power on earth and that wasn't a government that was money he wanted a national bank the federal

00:06:26.000 government would assume the state's debts uh in his report on manufacturers the open argument

00:06:32.680 that the state should encourage industry directly through tariffs and subsidies and a thumb on the

00:06:39.740 scale he said we we can build national champions we'll fuse the strength of the government to the

00:06:46.200 muscle of commerce and you get a giant and he's right you would but that philosophy seems really

00:06:53.860 familiar doesn't it now across the table was Thomas Jefferson and Jefferson looked at his

00:07:00.160 blueprint and was like oh my gosh this is poison this is slow acting poison his argument was not

00:07:08.120 that it wouldn't work his fear was it would work because Jefferson understood corruption the way

00:07:14.760 the romans understood not a bribe you know in a briefcase but a marriage you just marry people

00:07:21.540 off the moment you wed the government to moneyed interest you create a class whose fortune depends

00:07:28.060 on the state listen to this carefully you create a class whose fortune depends on the state

00:07:33.960 and a state whose appetite depends on that class so those two grow together by the way you're not

00:07:43.940 in that marriage okay you're not even a child you're not even a child in that marriage that

00:07:48.240 marriage will be between ai high-tech quantum uh and the government you're not in that and they

00:07:56.920 grow bigger and bigger quietly until one day you look up and you find out i've been squeezed out

00:08:02.740 of my own republic nobody even fired a shot i'm out this is thomas jefferson's argument okay

00:08:08.320 the argument got settled

00:08:10.300 a little bit they decided against the bank but the actual argument it just keeps changing clothes

00:08:18.600 uh the bank war that that that was this argument then the railroads put this clothes put these

00:08:27.140 clothes on and they were like we're too important the new deal same argument the 2008 bailouts

00:08:33.020 same argument. And now we put on the newest suit it has ever worn because the vice president said

00:08:40.060 out loud that the president is supportive of the United States owning the big artificial

00:08:44.040 intelligence company, a sovereign wealth fund. That's the idea. A stake in the people's most

00:08:50.640 important technology of the age. Now, Donald Trump is doing it because America first. He believes

00:08:56.720 you know that America can be strong exactly the way Hamilton did okay when I first heard this

00:09:04.960 the first word that jumped into my head was fascism and I've been saying this is this is

00:09:10.620 Italian fascism I want to tell you why this is a losing argument okay it's not entirely wrong

00:09:19.700 um but i you know in doing my homework it's we want strong arguments here's the thing about

00:09:30.040 italian fascism okay italian fascism is not german fascism mussolini's economy didn't seize the

00:09:38.740 factories like communism does the owners kept their names on the door what the state state

00:09:44.200 took was not the title it was the steering wheel okay the company stayed private and ran at the

00:09:51.040 pleasure of the regime in service of the regime everything within the state nothing outside the

00:09:56.520 state that's Mussolini so yes the government that owns a piece and steers it rhymes not going to

00:10:07.300 pretend it doesn't it rhymes with fascism but here's why i want to correct myself um so a i

00:10:13.960 want to correct myself because it's important that i do and you can hold me to that but uh it's

00:10:20.120 important because people always think of race hatred you associate race hatred with fascism

00:10:26.220 that wasn't the engine of fascism mussolini didn't pass his race laws until 38 and that was under

00:10:31.840 german pressure not from his own doctrine okay anti-semitism was essential to nazism not essential

00:10:39.140 to fascism so fascism without the race hatred you know doesn't reveal some secret core it just

00:10:45.900 describes early italian fascism pretty accurately hatred is not required in it but that nobody's

00:10:52.220 gonna listen to that okay the part that really takes the word away from me the government holding

00:10:57.880 stake in a private industry doesn't make a country anything. What Donald Trump is saying

00:11:03.160 is Norway. Norway has the sovereign wealth fund. It owns roughly 1.5% of every company on the face

00:11:12.020 of the earth. It took stakes in the banks and the car makers in 2009. We did. And then it gave it

00:11:18.740 back. Singapore does this. If state ownership equaled fascism, then Norway's a fascist state,

00:11:26.220 and that's just ridiculous okay what makes fascism fascism is the politics the one party

00:11:31.760 the leadership worship the boot on dissent the deliberate solving of the in dissolving of the

00:11:37.680 individual into the organic nation economics was a part of this the reason why i'm afraid of this

00:11:46.040 is

00:11:47.980 it's more than just

00:11:52.080 state capitalism

00:11:54.240 that's a better word maybe than fascism

00:11:56.320 state or mercantilism

00:11:57.800 the thing that

00:12:00.060 the kings did

00:12:01.340 it's worse than that

00:12:03.420 because

00:12:04.680 what this actually

00:12:07.760 what this actually means

00:12:09.760 is more than what

00:12:17.940 Hamilton was talking about. It's because of what the state would actually own. Hamilton's bank

00:12:25.940 would just move money. The railroads moved steel and grain, and you can see them and you can argue

00:12:32.500 with them. But artificial intelligence doesn't sit downstream of your life. It sits upstream of

00:12:41.980 your thoughts. That's the real danger here. And I don't want the government anywhere near that.

00:12:49.200 It's becoming the thing that answers your questions before you finished asking the question.

00:12:54.640 It drafts the email. It suggests the word. It frames the choice. It decides what you see and

00:13:00.680 what order you see it in and what it leaves out. It's quietly becoming the surface on which free

00:13:06.680 people do all of its thinking and this is i need you to think on this there has never in human

00:13:14.640 history been a tyrant who got to own the tool people use to form their own decisions choices

00:13:22.600 and minds every despot before had to wait for you to think the thought and then punish it he had to

00:13:30.220 come after you reasoned it out but for the first time the temptation on the table is to put the

00:13:36.280 state's hand on the instrument before the reasoning on the thing that shapes the question

00:13:42.700 itself that's not censorship censorship is crude you can feel that this is gentler and worse this

00:13:50.280 is grooming and a and a mind that has been groomed doesn't feel oppressed it feels helped

00:13:58.780 so let me try to be the guy that you want me to be trust me to be i guess a guy who's not

00:14:09.540 just yelling at the sky and yelling at you that the sky is falling

00:14:13.900 this does not need to be a death knell of freedom of choice

00:14:19.720 um i'll tell you what we can do there are three things that have to stay true

00:14:28.300 otherwise it's bad let me give you those three things here in just a second

00:14:33.180 i'm actually you know in doing my homework i'm actually for sovereign funds the way

00:14:40.540 norway is doing you own one and a half percent of everything that's on the market you buy it

00:14:48.740 um i'm not for i'm not for our our country just owning this tech

00:14:55.320 and i have a problem with this tech a real problem with this tech but i think to solve it you don't

00:15:01.100 get the government in bed with it i think that's the worst thing you can do so three things if

00:15:06.440 these three things stay true we're okay first it has to be ownership in daylight on a balance sheet

00:15:15.180 has to be named not laundered through some agency that nobody can find sunlight is the whole game

00:15:21.960 Jefferson's marriage only kills the republic when it's a secret one.

00:15:27.100 Second, the door swings both ways.

00:15:30.040 We took the carmakers in 2009 and we gave it back,

00:15:34.560 which proves the stake is not a sentence if the people insist on an exit.

00:15:40.840 Third, this one matters the most,

00:15:43.640 that you keep the one thing no government can vote you back,

00:15:49.680 the ability to reason for yourself, to hold a thing in the light and decide, I don't think that

00:15:57.200 one can be done. Once the government has power to manipulate you, they will manipulate you every

00:16:03.540 time and they will never reveal it and they will never give that power back. We have walked past

00:16:10.240 this cliff a dozen times and every single time the thing that saved us was not a law or a court.

00:16:16.620 It was a citizen that could think his own thought and ornery enough just to do it.

00:16:22.960 I am not afraid of a machine.

00:16:25.520 I am afraid of people who forget how to argue with a machine.

00:16:31.380 I trust you.

00:16:32.840 I trust the American people completely for exactly as long as you can still reason your way through your own conclusion

00:16:42.720 and tell the state to keep your hands off the lever of your mind.

00:16:47.240 As long as that ability is still existing in everybody,

00:16:52.100 then we have a firewall.

00:17:00.200 This thing, they've tried it with the banks, the railroads.

00:17:04.280 They did it in 2008.

00:17:07.580 And it was an argument that started between Jefferson and Hamilton.

00:17:12.720 guard this. Guard this. Because every other freedom is downstream of your freedom of thought.

00:17:19.840 And that's what we're actually talking about the government owning. I don't know how to solve this

00:17:26.980 problem, but I am wildly uncomfortable with tech having this ability to control your thoughts.

00:17:35.480 I'm wildly uncomfortable with the government having the ability to control your thoughts.

00:17:41.060 and those are the only two players in it nowhere is nowhere are you and if you think we have a

00:17:48.860 representative government let's talk about the save act the day you can no longer tell whether

00:17:55.800 the thought in your head is yours no vote will save you and those days are coming

00:18:01.840 and when you when you realize that well maybe it was i was manipulated here a little bit

00:18:10.260 you know you'll have done that you'll have given that over to the government feeling like you were

00:18:18.860 helped so think think think out loud while it is still entirely your own thought

00:18:27.380 i want to talk to jason here for just a couple of seconds jason talk to me about your concerns on

00:18:35.480 the quantum mechanics

00:18:38.280 and the quantum computing

00:18:39.880 for security.

00:18:42.400 Well, that's

00:18:44.080 clearly one of the biggest concerns

00:18:46.040 that the administration has here.

00:18:48.160 And that's the, I think it's

00:18:50.020 the very first, is either

00:18:52.020 the very first order or the second order

00:18:53.720 goes directly toward, oh, it's the second order,

00:18:56.260 goes directly toward standard encryption.

00:18:58.580 And I don't really, I guess

00:18:59.960 one of my biggest concerns is I feel like they don't

00:19:02.060 even really know, once they unleash

00:19:04.240 this beast, what's going to happen with it? That's one of the biggest things to concern.

00:19:08.660 It's just like AI. Yeah, this is the problem. There's no good answer to this. There's no,

00:19:15.120 I haven't found an answer that I'm comfortable with in any direction, in any direction. I don't

00:19:22.900 want the private sector to have it. I don't want the government to have it. You know, I just,

00:19:27.920 I don't know how to solve for this one yet.

00:19:35.240 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.

00:19:48.080 Ah, glad you're here. Thank you so much. I hope you don't mind. I'm fascinated by our 250th. I

00:19:57.840 remember when I was a kid and it was the bicentennial, and I remember thinking 250 years.

00:20:03.720 I'll be dead by then.

00:20:05.220 You know, when you're a kid, you just think like, by 30, I'll be dead because 30 is really old.

00:20:11.420 But here we are at the 250th anniversary.

00:20:14.620 And I'm fascinated at how we are not really celebrating it this time around.

00:20:18.760 The Bicentennial was everywhere, everywhere.

00:20:22.860 And, you know, we were proud of it and we're not.

00:20:26.140 And I think it's because we've lost our stories.

00:20:28.380 and i i'm looking for stories to tell you every day you know uh this this month and um and try to

00:20:36.280 try to get you a little interested in american uh history and not the names and the dates and

00:20:42.480 all that because that doesn't matter it's the stories and i found a story uh yesterday that

00:20:47.260 happened 250 years ago this week so it was right before we signed the declaration of independence

00:20:52.880 um i didn't even know we were at war did you know we were at war before we declared our independence

00:20:57.920 they were already they had already sent ships over we were already at war we were fighting them

00:21:02.540 okay um and so it's like you know why might as well we might as well um but the ships were

00:21:11.280 in our harbors the the british ships were in our harbors and i found a story that i just

00:21:18.120 wait until you hear the end of the story who are we really okay who are we we are people

00:21:25.420 that when the experts have written us off,

00:21:28.240 we are the ones that just keep standing. 1.00

00:21:31.300 Now, maybe it's because we're too dumb. 0.99

00:21:32.700 I don't know. 0.99

00:21:33.920 But what created us is that we don't run from things.

00:21:38.540 We run towards the trouble, not away from the problem.

00:21:41.320 And then we are like, we can solve it, we can solve it.

00:21:44.180 And then, you know, when we can't really solve it,

00:21:46.560 somehow or another, a miracle always saves us, okay?

00:21:49.740 So let me take you to a sandbar.

00:21:51.400 It's June, this week, 1776.

00:21:54.380 and you are standing on a low hot mosquito bitten island in the mouth of the charleston harbor

00:22:01.680 there's a fort here and i'm i'm being very very generous when i say it's a fort it's a square pen

00:22:09.680 of palmetto logs they're 16 feet apart packed in between with sands two walls are finished okay

00:22:17.760 the back of it is open you know entirely it's half built it's kind of thing that if you you

00:22:23.840 know you saw that on your own property and somebody came by you'd be like yeah that was a project i

00:22:27.720 meant to get to and i never really did it okay out past the bar coming for it is the most powerful

00:22:34.460 navy navy in the history of the world nine british warships hundreds of guns and on board is a guy

00:22:42.580 named sir peter parker you'll remember that name because he's spider-man in a white wig okay

00:22:51.440 Peter Parker has crossed the ocean to put down a rebellion.

00:22:55.140 And behind him, a few thousand redcoats and their spider senses are tingly, okay? 0.99

00:23:01.180 General Henry Clinton waiting to come ashore and finish whatever the cannons would start 0.93

00:23:06.200 because they're just going to blow everything up, okay?

00:23:08.760 They've done the math.

00:23:09.940 Everybody's done the math.

00:23:11.160 And the math says, oh, that little pen of logs.

00:23:14.440 Yeah, that'll be gone in about 10 minutes, okay?

00:23:18.300 and charleston will be gone by supper time so the american general in charge of the whole

00:23:23.620 southern theater agreed charles lee was his name he wrote out he looked at the thing he said that's

00:23:29.300 your defense these two little walls of logs are you kidding me this is slaughter pen he's like

00:23:36.640 get out of there get out they'll knock it down within a half an hour abandon the place pull

00:23:41.320 everybody out okay but that's not the american way he's like don't die for a sandcastle but the

00:23:48.440 colonel inside that sandcastle he's a planter william i think his name is moultrie he's not

00:23:55.720 famous not a man you've ever heard uh heard of um but you've seen the result of what he did in a

00:24:03.860 couple of ways so what did he do he didn't give a big speech or anything he just declined to leave

00:24:08.900 He was like, eh, we're going to stay.

00:24:11.400 He had about 435 men, some South Carolina regulars,

00:24:16.080 out on the far end of the island.

00:24:18.160 Men were dug alongside 30 native warriors. 0.91

00:24:22.240 And the fort had been raised in part by the hand of enslaved Africans 0.93

00:24:26.640 who hauled and stacked the logs in the heat. 0.99

00:24:29.160 They were there as well.

00:24:31.560 The whole thing improvised.

00:24:33.880 I mean, it's an unfinished collection of human beings

00:24:36.540 that are not somebody that's going to stand up, okay?

00:24:40.340 And they decide to stand on a position

00:24:42.680 the smartest man in the army had already said,

00:24:45.480 get the hell away from that thing.

00:24:48.260 Now, here's the thing that nobody knew.

00:24:49.520 Not Parker, not Clinton.

00:24:51.060 I don't even think Moultrie knew this, okay?

00:24:54.220 Palmetto, it's not oak.

00:24:56.620 When you fire a 32-pound iron ball at an oak wall,

00:25:01.160 what happens?

00:25:01.840 We've seen this in all of the movies

00:25:04.040 and everything else that ever show us,

00:25:05.660 fort getting attacked the wood splinters and it becomes shrapnel and it kills all the people

00:25:10.520 behind it and that's how a fort dies and it dies quickly but palmetto is soft it's spongy

00:25:16.540 so the british they open up the fire that morning and they're expecting 20 minutes we will be

00:25:22.520 on we'll be on the shore in about 30 minutes okay and they hit it with everything i mean thunder

00:25:28.460 that you could feel in your chest across the water and the cannonballs hit those palmetto logs

00:25:34.960 and the logs just take it the whole wall was it was like jello it would just quiver and swallow

00:25:42.920 the ball and then hold and the shot sunk into the sponge and then just stopped nine or ten hours

00:25:53.240 the greatest navy on earth hammered the half-finished pen of logs and the pen wouldn't

00:26:00.240 break the sandcastle was standing it is crazy it's crazy the men inside were doing something

00:26:07.660 you know with their cannons at the british they weren't expecting this okay they expected that

00:26:12.420 to be over in in 20 minutes but that those palmetto logs held and so they had time to aim

00:26:19.820 slowly and carefully they were low on powder they couldn't waste a single shot so every ball that

00:26:26.020 they sent back had to go into the ship so they needed patience and it was i mean it was almost

00:26:34.600 cruel the fort that was supposed to die in half an hour 10 hours in was tearing the fleet apart

00:26:42.440 and then came the moment where we make statues of these people

00:26:48.160 a british round caught the flag staff and cut it clean the flag was moultrie's own design it was

00:26:55.700 one of the first flags that we had for the revolution. It was blue and it had a white

00:27:00.340 crescent up at the top corner. And when the staff was cut, it fell down. Now, I didn't know this,

00:27:07.280 but, you know, if a flag falls in a fort, the men firing on that flag, they immediately look

00:27:15.540 at that and go, they've surrendered, okay? When it falls to the ground, that's what happens, okay?

00:27:21.660 Flag going down means that. Surrender. It's over. A sergeant named William Jasper, he looks out at

00:27:30.400 the fallen flag laying out there in the killing ground, outside of the walls, okay? He didn't

00:27:36.680 think about the math either. He climbed up onto the rampart, full view of every gun in the British

00:27:42.040 fleet. He jumped down outside of the wall. He walks out in the open. He picks that blue flag

00:27:49.060 up off the sand and because the staff was gone he tied the flag to the rammer of a cannon you know

00:27:56.200 it's a sponge on a pole and he climbed back up and he planted the flag back up on the wall he held

00:28:01.480 it up so every ship out there would understand the answer is still no no no we're not moving

00:28:07.320 they started in the morning it's now nightfall it's in the summer it's been a long day

00:28:15.200 the fleet pulls back because they're bleeding they're hemorrhaging they're beaten it was the

00:28:22.660 very first time that in war americans stood toe-to-toe with the royal navy and won and it

00:28:30.060 happened six days before the declaration of independence was even signed governor of south

00:28:35.820 carolina took the sword off his own belt and gave it to sergeant sergeant jasper and that tree

00:28:43.860 became kind of important they didn't build a statue of this that's the south carolina flag

00:28:50.260 it has the crescent moon up at the top i'm sorry south carolina for just discovering this you're

00:28:55.660 all rolling your eyes going yeah hello dummy most americans don't know this that's why the

00:29:00.920 palmetto tree is on that flag that unimpressive spongy wood that everybody overlooked

00:29:07.580 goes on a South Carolina flag, still flying today.

00:29:12.540 The state made an emblem out of the thing

00:29:14.560 the enemy underestimated.

00:29:18.700 So why is this story important today?

00:29:22.900 Every wise voice has told these people

00:29:26.400 the position was indefensible, abandoned,

00:29:28.940 get out of there, be reasonable, cut your losses.

00:29:31.980 Had they listened to the smart money,

00:29:34.020 Charleston Falls, the South open up,

00:29:35.960 And the whole story of America bends in a completely different direction.

00:29:41.540 The Republic has always been the half-finished fort that experts have always written off.

00:29:49.480 Right now, somebody is doing the math on you.

00:29:53.400 You, in your own life, or on your town, or on your faith, on the whole idea of self-government.

00:30:00.300 There are millions of people now saying it's a sandcastle.

00:30:05.960 It's naive.

00:30:07.080 It won't hold.

00:30:08.320 The forces against it are just too big, too modern, too sophisticated.

00:30:13.300 Be reasonable.

00:30:14.240 Walk away.

00:30:15.460 Don't walk away.

00:30:16.900 Don't walk away.

00:30:18.580 Be palmetto, the soft wood that takes the blow and doesn't splinter.

00:30:23.460 It's like jello.

00:30:24.260 I'm built for this.

00:30:26.180 And when the flag goes down, and it will go down.

00:30:29.480 Some days it goes all the way down into the sand.

00:30:31.420 be the one willing to climb over the wall in front of everything and put it back up

00:30:37.940 on any pole you can find put it back up we keep the republic by holding the ground that clever

00:30:45.920 men have already surrendered we're seeing it saved by miracles now and by people standing

00:30:54.220 up and doing the right thing they had already surrendered this nation to the global elites

00:31:00.240 somebody climbed over the wall picked the flag back up and said not today satan not today

00:31:09.360 back in a minute

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00:33:38.800 hello america welcome to the glenn beck program it's tuesday there's a lot to cover in the news

00:33:45.140 we have um we now have uh from u.s intel what a surprise this has just been released

00:33:53.160 proving the coronavirus research in china even as fauci was denying i think they need to bring

00:34:01.660 him in front of congress again you just need to ask him you know just just like you to testify

00:34:07.320 is what you said to congress true yes or no they can't do anything about it unless he lies again

00:34:13.720 but he'll be forced to say uh no i i wasn't telling you the truth whatever um and uh so at

00:34:23.420 least we'd be on record he'd have to admit that he lied and i would guess you could get him into

00:34:30.480 more lies because he's too arrogant to tell you the full truth he's just too arrogant uh and then

00:34:36.840 he'd finally go to jail and i think that should be done also the asylum seeker uh who's he made 0.93

00:34:43.760 the craziest claim on why he wasn't the rapist of this woman wait until you hear this story it is i

00:34:49.320 mean you think you've heard nuts things before nah you haven't even scratched the surface we

00:34:55.080 have more nuts for you than you can possibly imagine we'll get to that also donald trump

00:34:59.260 is thinking about raising the price of admission you know if you want to come in and you want to

00:35:04.160 be a citizen well it's going to cost you a little bit more good i say raise it to a trillion dollars

00:35:09.460 uh you know whatever it takes just stop stop all of this stop this until we have it under control

00:35:17.900 when we have it under control then fine but uh you know admission here should not be free

00:35:24.640 it shouldn't be free all right more in just a second we have uh tim barton coming in with us

00:35:30.420 He has just written with his father, David Barton, a new book about the 56 signers.

00:35:36.780 You know, I've been reading about the signers.

00:35:38.360 I have not read this book yet.

00:35:39.520 I have to get it.

00:35:41.080 But I've been reading about some of the signers, and I am learning so much.

00:35:44.260 These guys were incredible.

00:35:46.100 He's got the receipts on it.

00:35:47.880 So we're going to talk to him on this here in just a second.

00:35:50.980 Tim, my man, how are you?

00:35:52.760 I'm good, Glenn.

00:35:53.620 How are you?

00:35:55.260 I am great.

00:35:56.420 I'm excited to read the book about the 56 founders.

00:35:59.380 It's called Lives, Fortunes, and Sacred Honor.

00:36:03.120 How long have you guys been working on this?

00:36:04.540 How many books are you writing?

00:36:05.620 Like 400 books.

00:36:08.220 How long have you taken to write this one?

00:36:10.520 Well, in fairness, this is one we've been writing for 20 years because we've been studying,

00:36:15.700 I mean, maybe even 30 or 40, right?

00:36:17.540 We've been studying these guys forever.

00:36:19.240 You and my dad for 20 years have been studying and telling their stories.

00:36:22.420 uh and we finally said that this this seems like the optimal time uh for people talking about the

00:36:29.380 250 like hey guys let's have a place we can go back and not just have a general conceptual

00:36:36.080 understanding where you and my dad again for like 20 plus years been working on on helping

00:36:40.580 americans understand this but have a place where instead of just learning the general story of them

00:36:45.400 let's get some specific details uh and so this has been a labor of love really for the entire time

00:36:51.600 my dad's been doing this for the entire time I've been with them. But we focused on this probably

00:36:57.620 for eight or nine months hard, trying to get all the stories lined up and writing and getting

00:37:02.820 ready to come out this summer. That's great. I have to tell you, Paul Harvey wrote a book

00:37:07.600 on the 56 signers. It was a very thin book. It wasn't like what you've just done. Tell me what

00:37:12.860 you found that surprised even you, that you're going through and you're like, people have got

00:37:21.420 to know about this guy yeah so some of the stories some of the guys we already had a general

00:37:26.440 understanding of but then when you do a deeper dive you're like this guy's even more impressive

00:37:29.920 than we realized and glenn we talk about it all the time like it blows up all of the narratives

00:37:34.440 we think um right like you know john witherspoon who was the president of what became princeton

00:37:40.380 university trained more founding fathers than any other individual we know that he was a pastor but

00:37:45.220 when you start looking into the fact oh so he was a presbyterian revivalist preacher from scotland

00:37:50.220 and you start studying some of his background, you're like, this was far more of a fired up

00:37:54.780 Christian pastor than even maybe a general surface understanding would give you. You look at guys,

00:37:59.700 stories that might be more surprising that actually one of the ones that got me, William

00:38:04.620 Whipple, a signer of the declaration, his father was a merchant trader and so had lots of trade

00:38:09.520 ships, which is not surprising. And his family actually engaged. One of the things they did

00:38:14.520 was engage in the slave trade. And of like the hundred something voyages he took, it was like

00:38:19.160 12 or 13 voyages that had uh they transported slaves so it's not the majority of what they did

00:38:24.060 but he grew up in a family that literally they were slave traders and he becomes a guy who his

00:38:29.960 father gives him a slave he goes to fight in the American Revolution he signs a declaration he

00:38:34.940 becomes then a soldier in the Revolution he took the slave his dad gave him but he's an abolitionist 0.94

00:38:40.920 and he's like this is dumb um and at one point he was talking that the individual that was a slave

00:38:47.780 is known as prince whipple now prince was not an uncommon term um for a lot of slaves back then and 0.94

00:38:53.660 the last name was often the last name of whoever the slave master was but he tells prince he says

00:38:58.900 prince we must be men of courage and stand our ground and prince tells william he says i would

00:39:03.820 be a lot more courageous and i'd stand my ground a lot better if i had freedom and william says

00:39:08.280 you're right well well then you're free and literally on the spot says you are free please

00:39:14.640 continue to fight with me and and prince fights for the rest of the revolution um when the

00:39:19.900 revolution is over he gets the official certificate that he gets his freedom uh william closes the

00:39:24.680 family slave trade business so you have a kid who grows up in a family business where they are slave

00:39:30.020 traders he becomes an abolitionist freezes slaves stops the slave trade for the family and again

00:39:35.060 like you start reading these stories and you're like not only are these guys a lot different than

00:39:39.800 we realize they're so much more honorable. One of my favorite stories, Thomas Nelson Jr. was a

00:39:46.000 signer of the declaration from Virginia. He and George Washington were really good friends. And

00:39:50.540 there's actually some really fun letters from George Washington to Thomas Nelson Jr. about how

00:39:54.560 God's hand was all over what they were doing in the American Revolution. God showed up time and

00:39:59.720 time again to save the military. But Thomas Nelson Jr. is a commanding officer at Yorktown,

00:40:06.200 the last major battle of the revolution and thomas nelson jr was also a very wealthy guy

00:40:10.740 but he used all of his wealth to to fund the military and the endeavors of what the continental

00:40:17.280 congress was trying to do so so he gave it all for the cause of liberty but because he's a wealthy

00:40:22.140 guy he was in yorktown he leaves yorktown to be part of the military the british have taken over

00:40:26.500 yorktown and he had the nicest house in yorktown so the officers make that the place where they're

00:40:32.760 going to stay and as the men surround yorktown the continental army yorktown is under siege

00:40:38.860 he's with an artillery unit and they're firing cannonballs into yorktown and they're driving

00:40:44.240 the british back and he realizes they fired on every house except mine and that's literally where

00:40:50.820 the british officers are so he goes to the the guy's firing the cannon says why aren't you firing

00:40:56.300 in my house and they said sir we know like who's paying our check right like we we know who you are

00:41:04.060 there there's no way we would fire in your house and so that like the old historic accounts they

00:41:08.960 said that he pulled out his his checkbook and he says i will give a five pound guinea like this i

00:41:13.520 will give money for every man that the first man that hits it with a cannonball he gets the first

00:41:18.080 one but then every cannonball after that i will literally pay every man well to this day his house

00:41:23.120 still stands in virginia which is amazing people can literally go to yorktown and see it and there

00:41:27.460 are cannonballs in the side of his house to this day that record says he literally was paying the

00:41:33.940 men to fire on his own house to drive the british officers back and glenn these are the stories that

00:41:40.000 when you read them you're like these guys are amazing it's so fun stories how many of them

00:41:46.900 how many of them were wealthy and died poor because of this so i i would say that the

00:41:56.200 percentage is small um but i would say probably there were probably 10 or 12 or 15 and and right

00:42:03.060 i mean obviously wealth there's different standards out of 56 um sure but but when you

00:42:07.980 talk about wealthy guys they're john hancock very wealthy guy thomas nelson jr wealthy uh charles

00:42:13.940 carol there were some very wealthy individuals but it was not the majority of them uh and you

00:42:19.780 do have a great disparity from like the john hancock one of john hancock's best friends and

00:42:24.740 running buddies was sam adams sam adams is the poorest of all those guys and you know the story

00:42:31.380 but right sam adams growing up at 14 goes to harvard he graduates when he's 18 his dad wants

00:42:36.580 him to be a lawyer mom wants him to go into business uh his dad gives him a loan because

00:42:40.580 he decides sam is going to go into business and sam fails lost all that money the dad dies leave

00:42:46.500 sam's the business sam runs a business in the ground they go bankrupt sam has to find another

00:42:51.280 job becomes a tax collector which is super funny to think about sam gets fired from being a tax

00:42:57.160 collector because he refused to take in all the taxes that were demanded because he would go to

00:43:02.600 people's houses and he's like wait you know how much that's crazy give me like half of that and

00:43:07.900 So literally Boston is going in debt because Sam Adams is not collecting enough taxes.

00:43:14.440 But I say this because as you get to like the stand back tax, Sam doesn't even like

00:43:19.400 really look for another job.

00:43:20.560 He's so fired up for the Patriot cause.

00:43:23.500 So he spends all of his time trying to rally other Americans.

00:43:27.460 And by the time the Continental Congress comes around, Sam's been doing this for more than

00:43:30.940 a decade.

00:43:32.020 And his people say, that's the guy we want to represent us.

00:43:35.640 He understands this the best.

00:43:37.400 he's been writing all these essays making these speeches he he formed he started the sons of

00:43:42.120 liberty this this is the guy we want but they were embarrassed of the way he looked because he only

00:43:47.360 had one suit and it had holes in it he had one pair of stockings with holes in it and so the

00:43:52.400 town took up a collection one man brought in a tailor that made him a tailored suit one man bought

00:43:57.560 him six new pairs of stockings one man bought him a wig somebody wrote to john adams said hey will

00:44:01.860 you loan him a horse because we don't want him to have to walk all the way to philadelphia so so

00:44:06.240 literally sam adams is going because he's this incredible voice but he's also incredibly poor

00:44:12.480 because not only was he a failed businessman he spent all of his time trying to rally patriots

00:44:18.520 and so when you look at the disparity of like a john hancock who's this uber wealthy guy to a sam

00:44:23.260 adams you had people from all walks of life coming together some that had been doctors or teachers

00:44:28.700 some that were farmers some that were like a sam adams just a patriotic voice some like a john

00:44:34.000 Hancock very wealthy, but it was all people who understood the vision. And then when they signed

00:44:39.860 their names on the line, I mean, the reason we chose life's fortunes and sacred honors is there

00:44:44.200 is not a single person that signed the Declaration of Independence that did not pay to some extent

00:44:50.580 with their life, their fortune, or their sacred honor.

00:44:56.000 Tim, I was reading up on doing something later this week on Caesar Rodney, and he's the guy who

00:45:02.920 had to break the tie, uh, for Delaware. And, um, and so he, he, they've told him, you know,

00:45:10.240 you got to get here. We vote tomorrow and you got to be there. And it was like a three day normal

00:45:15.240 ride. He rides hard all night in the rain, et cetera, et cetera. What I didn't know about him

00:45:20.360 was that he was so riddled with face cancer that I think it was John Adams who said,

00:45:26.940 not in a joking way his face was like the size of an apple he said it was so distorted and so

00:45:35.520 rotted away by the time he was riding all night the doctor's like don't you'll die you'll die

00:45:42.580 you'll die don't do this and he wore a veil most of his yes time because he it was so i didn't know

00:45:50.320 that about him that yeah it's suffering beyond everything you're saying is correct it's also

00:45:55.680 something that even though they're founding fathers um there were times that that people

00:46:00.820 noted that because of the rotting flesh on his face it also smelled terrible and so he was so

00:46:07.620 dedicated to be there because he believed in the cause but he had to keep it covered because it

00:46:11.240 was unsightly and then it smelled bad but these were people to your point who literally were like

00:46:17.520 i i don't care what it costs me i i care that we are doing something for for the next the rising

00:46:24.080 generation for our kids for our grandkids there's a really really great letter from john adams to

00:46:28.220 abigail in 1777 um where as he's a diplomat at this point he's already signed the declaration

00:46:33.300 he's a diplomat over in europe and he's frustrated and john adams was dramatic at times so this is

00:46:38.700 not like super unusual which we also cover some of these stories uh in the john adams bio in this

00:46:43.860 book but john adams writes abigail he's so frustrated he says abigail i don't think i don't

00:46:48.500 think people even fully appreciate that they don't understand what we're doing they don't fully

00:46:52.680 appreciate what we're doing. He said, I wish I could just gather all of the kids around, like

00:46:57.340 all of the college students. And I wish I could just tell them something. And here's what he said

00:47:01.580 he wanted to tell them. He said, posterity, you will never know how much it costs this present

00:47:06.240 generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall

00:47:11.720 repent in heaven that I ever took half the pains I did to earn it. And, and, and this is the

00:47:18.440 sentiment that i would say even looking back today most americans because we don't know their story

00:47:23.740 we have no idea the cost that was actually paid for us to be able to be free and so glenn

00:47:29.340 this is something that we've been for years advocating for people go back and learn the story

00:47:34.040 and honestly we didn't feel like maybe there was the best resources out there to do it and so we

00:47:40.500 said look and kind of like the wall builders fashion we want to be the storytellers let's

00:47:44.460 tell the story of these guys where we talk about some of their faith, their family, their

00:47:48.900 accomplishments, even some of their positions for the abolition movement or for some of

00:47:53.360 them that actually maintained that slavery position.

00:47:55.740 We tell the good, the bad, and the ugly, but we think every American needs to understand,

00:48:00.160 especially on the 250th, who these men were and the sacrifices they actually made for

00:48:05.460 independence.

00:48:07.120 Tim, as always, good to talk to you.

00:48:08.900 The name of the book is Lives, Fortunes, and Sacred Honor.

00:48:11.580 It comes out today.

00:48:12.420 I can't recommend it highly enough.

00:48:15.320 I mean, these guys have looked at the documents

00:48:18.980 and taken the actual letters from the founder.

00:48:21.320 This is not scholarly people coming back,

00:48:23.640 you know, 200 years later and saying,

00:48:25.240 I think what they meant,

00:48:26.700 they take the actual documents from the time.

00:48:29.700 It is accurate.

00:48:31.300 It is great.

00:48:32.120 And they're both really good storytellers,

00:48:34.080 lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.

00:48:36.300 Tim Barton, say hi to your dad.

00:48:37.800 We'll talk to you again.

00:48:39.200 Thanks.

00:48:39.360 Sounds great.

00:48:39.780 Thanks, Glenn.

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