The Glenn Beck Program - June 28, 2023


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Glenn Beck visits the National Museum of American History in St. Louis on Independence Day and talks about his experience visiting the museum and touring it with his wife, Tanya Beck. Glenn and Tanya talk about their love of history and how important it is to be an active participant in our community.

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00:01:02.120 Okay, I toured the Smithsonian a couple of months ago back in Washington, D.C.
00:01:10.100 And coming here and seeing this display gives you a totally different perspective of what American history was.
00:01:17.060 You're getting more of the true history here.
00:01:18.980 I did not know that Teddy Roosevelt had been shot.
00:01:21.680 I had no idea that he had ever been shot.
00:01:24.180 And so to see the letter with the bullet holes in it and everything, amazing.
00:01:27.880 I had no idea of that history.
00:01:29.420 I think it was pretty cool being Native American from Chico, California,
00:01:33.400 that George Washington gave a medal to a Native American.
00:01:38.340 And, like, I would have never thought that.
00:01:40.240 In fact, I hated America.
00:01:42.180 Didn't pledge.
00:01:43.700 I would stand but never said it, never put my heart on my chest
00:01:47.880 because I had believed that the government, which some, everybody, you know, people are people,
00:01:55.500 destroyed Indians, you know, and they did. 1.00
00:01:59.340 But at the same time, there was Indians, the code talkers, you know, that were there. 0.73
00:02:05.920 And, you know, as I learned more and more history, it's kind of cool to be like,
00:02:09.880 all right, there's some people who are fighting for Native Americans, you know, black people,
00:02:17.400 Chinese people, Japanese people, all the people that come to America to be an American 1.00
00:02:22.040 and to live for freedom, fight for freedom.
00:02:26.140 So, yeah, George Washington giving a medal to a Native American was awesome.
00:02:30.100 I think I feel inspired, empowered, really, you know,
00:02:33.780 kind of a sense of needing to speak out and to stand for freedom
00:02:40.260 and kind of figure out what my part is in all of this and go do it, go to work, go to battle, really.
00:02:49.460 Like I said, we don't know if we're going to win or not or what the outcome is going to be,
00:02:53.360 but it's our duty to do something, right, not to stand on the sidelines,
00:02:57.580 but to, you know, to be an active participant in our history and in our community.
00:03:07.480 It is really, truly amazing.
00:03:09.360 We're here in St. George and we're doing the History Museum,
00:03:14.540 taking it on road to make sure that your kids know the truth this Independence Day
00:03:19.960 about American history.
00:03:22.140 Hopefully, we are going to be putting it on the road all across America.
00:03:29.440 We'd love to know if you wanted it in your community,
00:03:32.140 but it is something that I think at this point in our history, we have to decide.
00:03:38.120 And I'm hearing this a lot.
00:03:39.500 People are saying something hit them, you know,
00:03:43.040 and it's weird because it's a different section for everyone.
00:03:47.020 I think when people see the first draft of the Declaration of Independence
00:03:50.120 and then the final draft, the stone copy of it from 1823,
00:03:55.080 we've had several people tear up at that.
00:03:59.100 The Black Founders section is remarkable.
00:04:03.100 Slavery is very, very powerful.
00:04:06.480 Abraham Lincoln, the Gettysburg Address,
00:04:08.920 all of these things that you may never have seen before
00:04:13.300 or didn't even know existed are here.
00:04:16.940 And it's a wonderful experience.
00:04:19.720 I'm going to be there all day today.
00:04:21.680 They don't let me in, but I'm going to sneak in.
00:04:26.060 Oh, I've got plans.
00:04:27.440 Oh, I have plans.
00:04:29.420 So I will be there today and invite you.
00:04:32.100 I think they sell some walk-up tickets.
00:04:34.020 They're letting more people in.
00:04:35.600 We have more capacity than we thought.
00:04:37.460 We wanted to make sure that it wasn't too crowded,
00:04:39.280 and it's not, so I don't know.
00:04:44.280 You might get here and you may have to wait an hour or something to get in,
00:04:47.980 but it's filling it now to capacity,
00:04:51.220 larger capacity than we thought we could hold.
00:04:55.440 You can get your tickets also on unitedwepledge.org.
00:04:58.840 You think you have enough stuff yet?
00:05:02.000 Let me rephrase that.
00:05:03.420 Are you still married?
00:05:04.760 Is your wife just said, I saw all the stuff.
00:05:10.080 You wouldn't believe how many Tanya is here, 0.81
00:05:11.400 and she's been walking around in the museum,
00:05:13.320 and some people recognize her,
00:05:14.860 and they are all like, don't hate him.
00:05:17.740 Don't hate him.
00:05:18.500 I would if I were you, but don't hate him.
00:05:21.140 What do you mean you would?
00:05:24.720 I mean, first of all, there's a hundred reasons why they would,
00:05:28.460 but I think the main one they're talking about there
00:05:30.800 is the purchase of all these historical documents and items,
00:05:35.360 which are great if you are going to a museum.
00:05:38.940 Like, if you happen to be going to the museum,
00:05:41.560 it's a great thing that you've purchased all of this stuff to preserve.
00:05:46.640 If you happen to be married to the guy
00:05:49.160 who's hemorrhaging every cent out of your bank account to purchase it,
00:05:54.340 it's not as fun, I would imagine.
00:05:57.480 And this is why she's like, you know what?
00:06:00.020 Let's concentrate on the positive.
00:06:01.620 Get into the room and start painting, big boy, okay?
00:06:04.400 Keep your painting going,
00:06:05.860 because that seems to be the only thing purchasing all of this.
00:06:09.760 That is, I mean, I paint for two reasons.
00:06:12.440 One, because it lets me escape into another world for a few hours,
00:06:16.740 you know, every day or every other day.
00:06:19.160 And the other is because I got to sell something to,
00:06:24.620 I mean, we're going to be living, I swear to you,
00:06:27.480 if you listen to my wife,
00:06:29.800 we're going to be living under a bridge
00:06:31.680 with George Washington's compass
00:06:36.260 and Abraham Lincoln's, you know,
00:06:39.400 clothing from the day that he died.
00:06:41.340 She's like, we'll have that in our shopping cart.
00:06:43.660 But we got that going for us,
00:06:46.420 because that's all we'll have going for us.
00:06:47.640 That's her version.
00:06:49.320 Yeah.
00:06:49.580 My version is, please come buy my art.
00:06:52.720 Right.
00:06:53.100 Please come buy my art.
00:06:54.860 GlennBeckArt.com, I believe it is, by the way.
00:06:56.700 And yes, a lot of it is very expensive.
00:06:58.640 This is stuff that actually is in galleries,
00:07:00.340 and I've made fun of Glenn for this in the past,
00:07:02.160 because when he started painting,
00:07:04.160 he sucked really badly, 0.96
00:07:05.520 and now he's somehow actually good at this.
00:07:07.640 I have international collectors.
00:07:09.300 Collectors.
00:07:10.180 International collectors.
00:07:11.520 That's pretty cool.
00:07:12.360 Yeah, and I would say this.
00:07:13.920 I think the normal reaction to someone who hears this,
00:07:16.640 that your art is hanging in a gallery,
00:07:18.220 is like, how does this Hunter Biden-like scam work, right?
00:07:22.800 And I think that's a normal question.
00:07:25.780 There's a massive difference.
00:07:26.820 I would ask that.
00:07:27.720 Yeah.
00:07:28.280 In fact, I have asked that.
00:07:30.700 Yeah.
00:07:30.960 I'm just nodding, apparently, on the scam,
00:07:33.160 because I've asked that.
00:07:34.360 How is this not the same as Hunter Biden,
00:07:38.240 because that's crap, and I mean,
00:07:41.560 but people, I think mine's much better
00:07:43.520 than Hunter Biden, quite honestly,
00:07:44.840 but you can see all of the art.
00:07:47.280 We have G. Clay's, and we have posters of it,
00:07:50.580 and T-shirts of it, and the originals.
00:07:53.200 So bring your checkbook if you happen to be rich.
00:07:56.740 Bring your checkbook,
00:07:57.880 because we're going to milk you for every cent you have.
00:08:00.880 And if you're not rich.
00:08:01.860 Just saying, we're trying to put this thing on the road.
00:08:03.500 Right, you could do the posters,
00:08:05.240 which are very nice and reasonably priced,
00:08:07.480 although I will say, if you think of the difference,
00:08:10.580 essentially, like, Hunter Biden's scam
00:08:12.920 was, like, he comes out with art,
00:08:16.060 and then that fuels a bunch of Coke-filled,
00:08:19.780 you know, hooker, you know, wasted weekends, 1.00
00:08:24.360 where yours goes to, like,
00:08:25.780 George Washington's handkerchief.
00:08:28.360 Like, there's some, it's sort of the same thing,
00:08:32.640 except less cocaine and more really nerdy documents.
00:08:37.480 There is something coming up for sale on July 7th.
00:08:40.500 I'm just saying.
00:08:41.320 I haven't talked to my wife about it yet,
00:08:43.060 but I will.
00:08:44.640 If I sell some of this art,
00:08:46.560 as I am, it is, it's like,
00:08:49.600 it's a very important piece.
00:08:51.340 I don't even want to tell you what it is.
00:08:53.780 I'll tell you when I get it,
00:08:55.980 or if I don't get it, what it was.
00:08:58.040 It's really important,
00:08:59.800 and that's what all of the money goes for.
00:09:04.080 So, you know what the number one bestseller is here?
00:09:06.960 What's the bestselling item we have?
00:09:09.500 Now what?
00:09:11.400 Dark Future.
00:09:13.440 It's the new book,
00:09:14.960 and it's out in two weeks.
00:09:17.120 You can get it now, signed or unsigned,
00:09:20.380 right here.
00:09:22.380 Yeah.
00:09:22.580 Right here, really big shoe.
00:09:25.020 And it's better to get it unsigned,
00:09:26.320 because it's actually worth more.
00:09:29.260 Can I tell you something?
00:09:30.740 I have seen them,
00:09:32.940 old books on eBay,
00:09:34.700 and a non-signed book will be,
00:09:37.040 you know, I don't know,
00:09:37.740 eight bucks.
00:09:39.020 A signed book,
00:09:39.720 I've seen for sale for two.
00:09:42.400 This one's been defaced.
00:09:44.040 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program,
00:09:50.260 and we really want to thank you for listening.
00:09:53.040 Live from St. George, Utah,
00:09:55.020 which may I just say from experience this week,
00:09:59.020 bring chapstick.
00:10:00.800 It is so dry here.
00:10:03.620 I feel like a desert.
00:10:05.420 It's just going to crack open my face here soon.
00:10:08.160 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.
00:10:10.380 We're glad you're here.
00:10:11.160 There's a couple of things that you need to know about.
00:10:12.920 First of all,
00:10:14.080 Donald Trump jacked up the threats on Monday,
00:10:18.560 and then again yesterday,
00:10:19.780 says he's going to skip at least the first Republican debate,
00:10:23.760 because it's Fox News.
00:10:27.340 And I agree with him, quite honestly.
00:10:30.660 I think these guys should stop doing these debates
00:10:33.600 with the mainstream media.
00:10:37.020 I mean, oh boy, Stu's looking at me skeptically.
00:10:40.660 Yeah.
00:10:41.180 I mean, look, I don't think Fox's news coverage is perfect by any means,
00:10:47.000 but certainly it's more friendly than the mainstream media as a whole.
00:10:52.700 We're just including Fox News and mainstream media now.
00:10:56.120 Is that kind of where you're going with this?
00:10:59.540 Kind of.
00:11:00.320 Sometimes that feels that way.
00:11:01.700 I mean, I don't think that that's always the case.
00:11:03.940 I think they are way off course from where they used to be.
00:11:09.540 And now, you know, now it's just I kind of don't trust them.
00:11:13.700 You know, when Tucker was there,
00:11:15.620 I knew Tucker was fighting and fighting the inside and the outside.
00:11:20.360 And now, I mean, who do you really trust over there?
00:11:28.540 Brett Baer?
00:11:29.360 I mean, he's a nice guy.
00:11:30.580 I really like him.
00:11:31.540 But really?
00:11:33.240 Carl Rove?
00:11:34.600 I mean, Carl Rove.
00:11:36.260 You know, Brett Baer is a straight news journalist.
00:11:38.560 So I think does certainly.
00:11:40.460 I mean, you know, maybe not comparing him to whatever your ideal Fox is,
00:11:45.180 but like compare him to NBC News coverage.
00:11:49.080 I mean, I take Brett Baer a thousand times in a row.
00:11:51.840 Yeah, I would too.
00:11:52.860 But you don't have to settle for that now anymore.
00:11:55.060 So what's your vision of a debate then?
00:11:56.780 There are too many sources.
00:11:57.280 Who's doing this?
00:11:58.360 Oh, I would take the Daily Wire.
00:12:03.840 I would take the Blaze.
00:12:08.260 So something else.
00:12:09.820 I do think that what you're talking about here,
00:12:12.700 because obviously, you know, somewhat that's self-serving, right?
00:12:15.460 We work for the Blaze, right?
00:12:18.020 We, you know, certainly like the Daily Wire.
00:12:20.000 There's a lot of outlets like that.
00:12:21.560 But what I think is interesting.
00:12:23.100 I would put Glenn Greenwald and put,
00:12:25.800 I would build a panel of people that are going to ask honest questions.
00:12:31.600 Yeah.
00:12:31.880 I want honest questions.
00:12:33.060 I don't want gotcha questions.
00:12:34.540 I don't want questions coming from any one point of view.
00:12:40.140 I want people who will ask the honest question.
00:12:42.140 I'll ask tough questions.
00:12:43.840 Tucker would ask tough questions.
00:12:45.420 Glenn Greenwald would ask tough questions.
00:12:48.260 Ben Shapiro would.
00:12:50.500 Yeah.
00:12:50.720 Look, sometimes Fox has done a good job with that in previous debates sometimes.
00:12:56.900 But I would say like one of the things that's most interesting to me about your idea here
00:13:01.200 is that what we get out of mainstream media are questions that would theoretically interest their audience.
00:13:10.680 And often that question is, you know, something like,
00:13:14.240 hey, did you really rape E. 1.00
00:13:17.680 Jean Carroll at Bergdorf's in 1985?
00:13:22.140 And it's like, all right, like, I get that's what, you know, Rachel Maddow's audience probably does want to hear.
00:13:28.620 They probably do want to hear about that.
00:13:29.980 But, like, I would like to hear, like, much more, like, I would like to hear from Donald Trump, hey, you know,
00:13:36.120 you're talking a lot about, you know, beating the deep state, right, and how important that is, one of your main justifications for running.
00:13:43.320 Well, if you're out of office right now, right, and you're saying this election was stolen from you,
00:13:49.720 why didn't you see any of this coming?
00:13:51.400 Why didn't you stop it?
00:13:53.280 Why didn't you do something when you had the power to do it, right?
00:13:56.840 Like, that's a question that, like, I think that's something that, like,
00:14:00.380 like, would be a real question of, like, how he's going to govern.
00:14:03.400 What did he miss?
00:14:04.260 Did he miss something?
00:14:05.660 Did he just put bad people in control?
00:14:08.540 If so, why?
00:14:09.900 Like, there's a lot of questions there about Donald Trump's presidency that might be interesting to a conservative
00:14:14.620 trying to decipher between two conservatives.
00:14:17.520 What we get from the mainstream media is, like, this pitch of why Donald Trump is so evil
00:14:24.120 and why you should pick Joe Biden over him.
00:14:26.800 And I think there's very little value in a primary for that.
00:14:30.560 So here's what I, because I asked Donald Trump that question,
00:14:34.580 and I don't know if it was publicly or privately, but I said,
00:14:37.880 Deep State, how did that happen?
00:14:42.220 And he said, I knew there was powerful forces.
00:14:46.100 He said, I had absolutely no idea how deep it went, but I do now.
00:14:52.820 And I think that was a reasonable answer.
00:14:55.420 It's a reasonable answer, but I mean, I think it's fair to worry about that.
00:14:59.020 Oh, I do too.
00:14:59.520 If you're putting someone back into office who missed it last time, like, I think that's a question.
00:15:05.320 And I think the same question to go, and I'm not saying this to beat up on Trump.
00:15:09.700 He's just the one that everyone knows their story better.
00:15:11.740 I mean, like, you could ask the same question about Ron DeSantis.
00:15:14.240 You know, DeSantis is coming in.
00:15:16.120 He's never dealt with the Washington people like this.
00:15:19.120 Obviously, he was a congressman.
00:15:20.780 But, you know, is he going to be able to perform in this situation?
00:15:23.420 It's a legitimate question.
00:15:25.260 Ask him about, you know, are you on?
00:15:27.280 A lot of people are uncomfortable with how he's using his power in the state, you know, as maybe it's too top down, right, for a conservative audience.
00:15:37.720 Let's go back and forth and hear from another candidate who says, you know what, maybe you're doing too much from the governor's mansion.
00:15:44.240 I'm not.
00:15:44.500 These are just examples.
00:15:46.020 You're not saying what right or wrong there.
00:15:47.380 But, like, how do you decipher between two conservatives has nothing to do with whether Donald Trump kept documents.
00:15:53.460 Like, I don't care about that.
00:15:55.040 That means nothing to me as it as it regards to going to try to pick somebody in a primary.
00:16:01.460 Well, I have a feeling that the left feels the same way about those documents.
00:16:07.220 You remember somehow or another.
00:16:10.140 This recording was leaked.
00:16:12.580 Wow.
00:16:13.540 There's so many leaks.
00:16:15.480 None.
00:16:15.840 None, apparently, on the left that we should either listen to or take credible.
00:16:22.900 But so many leaks on Donald Trump.
00:16:26.740 The whole leak was him talking about a plan, apparently, with Iran.
00:16:33.340 And he had the document.
00:16:35.000 And those were one of the, you know, they took those documents away from him because he was being irresponsible with them.
00:16:40.240 Well, guess what wasn't with the documents?
00:16:43.000 And guess what wasn't even listed when they charged him?
00:16:48.940 That document.
00:16:49.900 So, wait, we've been arguing about a conversation he had where he said he was holding up a magazine and they don't even have the document?
00:17:03.760 I mean, I would say highly unlikely if they had the document and he had the document, he'd reach over and grab it and say, look at this.
00:17:13.620 But if the document doesn't exist, at least in the file, then you have to go to he shredded it, which is now a conspiracy theorist or or what?
00:17:25.220 Yeah.
00:17:25.520 Why are we arguing over this?
00:17:27.040 It's stupid.
00:17:28.000 I mean, and I think, too, this is a situation where it's not like we don't have the murder weapon.
00:17:31.720 We don't have the body.
00:17:32.740 We have no idea if he actually killed someone in this murder case.
00:17:40.480 The document, if the document doesn't exist, who knows?
00:17:43.560 You know, maybe that's that.
00:17:44.820 Again, as your conspiracy theory, you're like, you know, you think maybe he shredded it.
00:17:48.020 But if you don't have any evidence of that, what do you have here?
00:17:51.020 Again, this story, I think, is just nonsensical.
00:17:54.980 It's got nothing to do with the future of the country.
00:17:56.820 Nothing.
00:17:57.980 This is just a sideshow, a sideshow, yet another attempt to throw Donald Trump out of office when you what you could do to get him out of office, which is just beat him.
00:18:10.320 Right.
00:18:10.820 If you're a Democrat and you don't want Donald Trump to be president, then win.
00:18:13.520 You don't need to.
00:18:16.060 They keep trying to do this by some other means, and they, you know, go down these roads.
00:18:21.560 Do the American people care if the president, who literally was given this document in office to see it, instead of having it in front of him, just remembers the details?
00:18:32.340 That's what we're talking about.
00:18:33.900 He would know about this document anyway.
00:18:36.300 He could tell people about it anyway.
00:18:38.320 The question is, does he have it in his possession or not?
00:18:40.700 That's really what we're going to determine the future of this country on.
00:18:43.160 It's just stupid.
00:18:45.960 By the way, Chip Roy, who we're trying to get on, Chip Roy has come out and said that a number of Republicans don't believe Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas should be impeached over his handling of the border.
00:19:02.000 May I ask, how low is the bar for unemployment or employment at the Biden administration?
00:19:14.220 Because it seems like everyone can keep their job, and they're all doing fine.
00:19:21.440 What's her name?
00:19:22.060 The White House press secretary.
00:19:23.760 She's awful.
00:19:26.520 She's awful.
00:19:27.640 She's either reading from a book.
00:19:29.700 Why don't you just Xerox the book and just hand it to all the reporters?
00:19:34.540 If you're going to read all of the answers, they got them there.
00:19:36.880 They can just flip to page nine.
00:19:39.740 That's all she should say.
00:19:40.600 Flip to page nine.
00:19:42.040 That answer is on page 12.
00:19:44.680 Yeah, I'm not going any further than that.
00:19:46.860 She's awful.
00:19:48.960 Yet everybody seems to love her.
00:19:51.600 Mayorkas. 0.86
00:19:52.120 What does the guy have to do?
00:19:54.500 Does he have to start driving drug cartel members across the border and have them sleep in the White House before we care?
00:20:06.860 What?
00:20:07.180 No way that would be enough to get him out.
00:20:09.960 He would remain no matter what, which is incredible.
00:20:14.860 By the way, Glenn, one update on the border situation.
00:20:17.120 You know the whole DeSantis flying people into Martha's Vineyard?
00:20:21.300 It was the worst thing any governor had ever done in history.
00:20:24.540 And we were all told about all these awful things.
00:20:27.780 Now there's a new story in the New York Times that the people who did stay, which was a small percentage of them, they booted most of them out immediately.
00:20:34.160 But the people who did stay really enjoying Martha's Vineyard.
00:20:38.340 They built a nice life there.
00:20:39.900 Really liking it.
00:20:40.700 They can't believe it.
00:20:41.400 This is news?
00:20:42.540 This is news?
00:20:43.200 This is news?
00:20:43.860 This is really nice.
00:20:44.440 It's why all of our presidents built houses there.
00:20:46.680 Wow, they just dropped me in one of the greatest vacation paradises of all time, at least in America.
00:20:54.700 And I like it.
00:20:56.460 Oh, get that on the front page.
00:20:59.360 It's not a surprise.
00:21:00.840 It's not a surprise.
00:21:01.760 However, it should be a surprise to anyone who reads the New York Times who were told this was one of the worst things the governor has ever done.
00:21:08.160 And they're making it seem like, oh, well, they put it in the face of Ron DeSantis by enjoying their time in Martha's Vineyard.
00:21:13.600 I don't know.
00:21:14.520 Was DeSantis trying to punish them by putting them there?
00:21:17.820 He was trying to point out, hey, the burden can't be held by only southern states.
00:21:23.700 And while, you know, these people, of course, are going to enjoy it there.
00:21:26.920 There's no question about it.
00:21:27.920 I think this is a great policy for everybody.
00:21:31.380 Yeah, you want to punish somebody.
00:21:32.740 You clearly send them to Philadelphia or Washington, D.C.
00:21:37.180 Martha's Vineyard is not a punishment. 1.00
00:21:43.020 The best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:21:45.820 Timothy Barton is with us now from Wall Builders.
00:21:49.300 Hi, Tim.
00:21:49.660 How are you?
00:21:50.140 I'm good, Glenn.
00:21:50.680 Good to see you.
00:21:51.140 Good to see you.
00:21:51.700 Thank you so much for coming to Liberty Week here in St. George.
00:21:57.320 Well, I love being here.
00:21:58.120 Yeah, you and your dad are across the street now doing another American history seminar.
00:22:06.800 Yep.
00:22:07.120 And usually when we do these, and maybe it's because of me because I'm such a loud mouth,
00:22:12.540 they last three days.
00:22:14.280 But this is being done in one day.
00:22:17.460 So actually, we were going to do one-day seminars, and we said there's no way we can squeeze three
00:22:21.040 days into one day.
00:22:21.700 So we're doing a two-day seminar.
00:22:22.960 Oh, are you?
00:22:23.220 We found the happy middle ground.
00:22:24.780 Okay.
00:22:25.760 So you're at, wow, you're at, then today you'd be at my part where it gets really, really
00:22:32.380 dark.
00:22:33.140 Correct.
00:22:33.620 Yeah.
00:22:34.100 Correct.
00:22:34.700 How are you going to do that?
00:22:35.720 You're so happy.
00:22:36.540 Well, that's the reason I left.
00:22:37.620 It's up to my dad now.
00:22:38.460 I don't know what he's saying right now.
00:22:39.880 I could get back and the whole story's changed.
00:22:42.100 I have no idea.
00:22:43.300 You know, the amazing thing is, and people are seeing this here, backed up by facts.
00:22:47.900 We are a country that is both Jamestown and Plymouth.
00:22:55.940 And this is a choice.
00:22:57.420 We have this great map that was printed by Congress in 1870 that shows the tree that comes
00:23:04.100 from Jamestown, which is nasty.
00:23:07.000 It's all, it ends in treason and murder and death and slavery.
00:23:11.200 And the tree from the pilgrims leads to freedom.
00:23:17.040 And people don't understand the difference between those two and that we have to make
00:23:23.200 a choice every day between those two.
00:23:25.720 Yeah.
00:23:25.880 So the map specifically, if people are wanting to look it up, it came out in 1888.
00:23:29.540 If they look for 1888 map of Jamestown and Plymouth, they can find that map and it shows
00:23:34.260 the legacy.
00:23:34.840 And what's great about even the imagery, it came out at the end of reconstruction.
00:23:37.900 So as America has gone through the civil war, 13th, 14th, 15th amendment, rights are being
00:23:42.940 restored.
00:23:43.900 At this point, you still have the Union Army in the South enforcing all of those civil rights
00:23:48.020 before Democrats took over.
00:23:49.680 And when President Cleveland comes in and they revoke all of the civil rights laws passed in
00:23:54.400 reconstruction.
00:23:55.060 But up to this point, they're showing-
00:23:56.220 Wait, wait.
00:23:56.760 Why did they do that?
00:23:57.720 Why did Cleveland do that?
00:23:59.380 Well, part of what was going on, there was a discrepancy in the presidency leading up to
00:24:06.080 Democrats getting control of Congress again.
00:24:07.660 And part of, there was not enough electoral votes, and this is before Cleveland, I think
00:24:13.160 it was, was it Hayes?
00:24:14.900 I'd have to look that up.
00:24:15.800 Yeah, I'm just, I'm so overloaded with my Hayes information that I can't sort through
00:24:22.380 it fast enough.
00:24:23.320 Well, and yeah, we've been studying for a different conversation.
00:24:25.940 And so now I'm like, wait a second, which one is this?
00:24:28.040 But you go back, it was the last Republican before Democrats take over.
00:24:32.100 And there wasn't enough electoral votes to declare a presidential winner.
00:24:35.920 So it goes to Congress.
00:24:36.820 And in Congress, it still wasn't really clear that they're still divided of who's going to
00:24:39.960 be the president.
00:24:40.900 And some of the congressmen from the South said, we will, we will acquiesce.
00:24:44.980 We'll say, Republicans, you can have the president if you remove the Union Army from the South,
00:24:50.000 because the Union Army is who was enforcing all of these civil rights laws.
00:24:54.100 And not everybody in the South was against some of what was going on, but certainly the
00:24:59.360 political leaders.
00:25:00.240 And there were some absolutely racist, embedded thoughts in those political leaders in many
00:25:04.880 of the Southern states.
00:25:05.680 And so they said, we'll give you the presidency if you remove these, the Union Army from our 0.54
00:25:11.860 different towns.
00:25:12.520 Well, when the Union Army is removed, they begin revoking some of those civil rights laws
00:25:15.460 that were allowing black Americans to vote.
00:25:17.680 Well, once you have removed the ability for black Americans to vote, there was at that point, 0.96
00:25:21.700 a lot of black elected officials in Southern states, all Republicans.
00:25:24.860 But once blacks can no longer vote in those states anymore, all of a sudden, Democrats not
00:25:30.260 only come back to power, they have been a super majority coming back with what they're doing.
00:25:34.360 And when they get that power from the South, all of the Southern elected individuals become
00:25:40.200 Democrat again.
00:25:41.360 That's when you begin to see not only Democrats having power in Congress, the presidency coming
00:25:46.820 back.
00:25:47.520 That's when you start seeing them go back to some of that racist roots where they're
00:25:52.540 saying, right, Jim Crow.
00:25:53.600 This is when that kind of enters.
00:25:55.540 And this is part of the legacy of Jamestown and Plymouth.
00:25:58.000 And even to that map, what's worth noting is when you look at where Jamestown and Plymouth
00:26:02.420 are, it shows there are two things that they are rooted in.
00:26:07.520 And in Plymouth, it is built on the Bible. 0.75
00:26:10.700 And it's very clearly, there's a book that says Bible on the side, but Jamestown, it's
00:26:13.600 a coin.
00:26:13.780 We have, hang on just a second, we have downstairs their letter from, or their oath that they
00:26:22.580 had to take as a citizen of Plymouth.
00:26:27.160 That it's all about God.
00:26:28.680 Yes.
00:26:28.820 All about God.
00:26:29.500 Yeah.
00:26:29.820 It's, I mean, really, when you start looking at the historical documents, there's no question
00:26:33.640 at all that these were individuals who were rooted in faith.
00:26:36.980 When even we have the first printing of Governor Bradford's journal, and he identified at times
00:26:41.200 that it's been six to eight hours a day studying the Bible, that this is who they were.
00:26:46.220 And so it shows in the map, that is a foundation of Plymouth.
00:26:48.840 And then it shows the tree growing from there.
00:26:50.540 And Jamestown, it shows that the foundation of Jamestown is a coin.
00:26:54.560 On the side, it says Mammon.
00:26:55.900 And what they were pointing out is that some of these individuals, where they had gone wrong,
00:27:00.780 the Bible tells us that the love of money is the root of all evil.
00:27:03.580 And where they went wrong is they cared more about making money than they did about individuals.
00:27:07.520 I think the same thing could be said about Columbus.
00:27:10.440 He's coming over.
00:27:12.000 He's very, very humble.
00:27:13.880 He gets here.
00:27:14.680 He starts to think, oh, my gosh, I'm going to be famous.
00:27:17.540 I'm going to be the governor.
00:27:19.300 I can make money.
00:27:20.760 And it goes awry.
00:27:22.400 And he's humbled again.
00:27:23.960 I mean, whenever anyone is pursuing, at least on this land, when they are just pursuing money,
00:27:30.980 they're destroyed.
00:27:33.240 Unquestionably.
00:27:33.720 And I think this is also part of the dichotomy, even in human history, where even with Jamestown
00:27:39.400 and Plymouth, this is not a new thought or idea.
00:27:42.000 You can go back to the famous novel by Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities, right?
00:27:46.200 This was always kind of, you have two options and what option you're going to take.
00:27:49.880 And America took both options.
00:27:52.300 But it's also worth noting, even that early 1888 map depicts it very well.
00:27:56.260 The majority of America was far more impacted by Plymouth than they were Jamestown, which
00:28:00.080 one of the things that we will illustrate for people when someone says America's evil,
00:28:04.180 we had Jim Crow laws in America. 0.99
00:28:05.940 Unquestionably, we had Jim Crow laws in America.
00:28:07.380 But we always ask the question, where do we have Jim Crow laws?
00:28:10.220 Because right now we're sitting in Utah.
00:28:11.520 You know who didn't have Jim Crow laws? 0.99
00:28:13.240 Utah.
00:28:14.100 Neither did Colorado.
00:28:15.520 Neither did Nebraska.
00:28:16.600 Neither.
00:28:17.220 Really, when you start looking at the tree that came from Plymouth and it goes across all
00:28:22.120 of the northern U.S. and spreads into the western U.S.
00:28:24.160 So all of the northern states, the only part that really embraced the Jim Crow laws were
00:28:29.500 the deep democratic South where that racism was embedded in much of their culture.
00:28:34.160 So at what point did the Klan, because we have some stuff down in the museum that is
00:28:40.320 horrifying.
00:28:41.100 Yep.
00:28:41.400 And one of them is a little Klan card with faces of mostly black, but a lot of whites as
00:28:48.800 well.
00:28:49.600 That basically is a Klan killing card. 0.57
00:28:52.640 Correct.
00:28:52.880 They would hand them out and say, if you see these people, kill them or call us.
00:28:57.240 Yeah, it was the Republican legislature of South Carolina.
00:28:59.520 And in South Carolina, the Republicans, the one fighting for equal rights, well, that
00:29:04.780 was the Republican Party was the party that all of the former slaves, the black people
00:29:09.480 were joining because that was the party of freedom and equality.
00:29:12.220 And it was because really the first platform, the Republican Party didn't have anything like
00:29:17.580 worse for lower taxes. 0.98
00:29:18.960 It was all about anti-slavery, which we also have that.
00:29:22.720 So the first Republican platform came in in 1856 and had nine planks.
00:29:26.240 So nine things of what we fundamentally believe, well, seven of the nine planks were against
00:29:30.360 slavery.
00:29:31.280 So, right, this is where it's not confusing at all.
00:29:33.740 The Republican Party was against slavery, which also leads into when Lincoln gets elected
00:29:37.820 in 1860 on the Republican platform, the Republican platform is still absolutely anti-slavery.
00:29:42.800 When he gets elected and South Carolina was the first state to secede, South Carolina released
00:29:48.380 what was known as a declaration of causes.
00:29:50.060 It was like their version of the declaration of independence.
00:29:52.080 And what they acknowledged is that we know with this new Republican leadership that their
00:29:58.660 goal is to end and emancipate the slaves, enslave or emancipate the slaves.
00:30:03.320 And we know that slavery is no longer South if we remain in the union.
00:30:07.860 And so they conclude this declaration of causes by saying, we invite all other slave holding 0.83
00:30:12.720 states to join us in forming a pro-slavery confederation.
00:30:17.240 And this is where, when people even talk about states' rights, we'd encourage people, go
00:30:21.760 back and read why they actually said they're separating, because the political leaders did
00:30:25.700 not argue states' rights.
00:30:26.820 Now, we also make the distinction, not everybody in the South was pro-slavery, just like not
00:30:30.880 everybody in the North was anti-slavery.
00:30:32.280 You had people from New York, as a great example, they were very much pro-slavery, but they were
00:30:35.900 pro-union.
00:30:37.180 Whereas the political leaders in the South, they were so pro-slavery, they said, we don't
00:30:41.200 care about the union, we care more about our slaves. 0.81
00:30:42.980 And this is where we would tell people, of the 11 states that seceded, five of them
00:30:47.280 released declaration of causes, where they are literally saying why they're seceding.
00:30:51.160 And in every one of their declaration of causes, they're talking about slavery being the primary
00:30:55.020 reason they are seceding.
00:30:56.260 Well, you're also, if you look at the constitution of the Southern states, you can't join the
00:31:03.140 secession unless you agree with slavery, will have slavery, and agree to expand slavery 0.52
00:31:10.800 elsewhere.
00:31:11.740 Correct.
00:31:12.040 I mean, so it's pretty darn clear.
00:31:14.300 And what's also worth noting about even the Confederate Constitution, it's almost a verbatim
00:31:18.840 copy of the U.S. Constitution, and then they just added several parts they thought would
00:31:22.460 make it better.
00:31:23.020 And the parts they added were parts to protect and defend and expand slavery as new territories
00:31:29.060 would join.
00:31:29.680 That would be a hard time.
00:31:30.780 Did they adopt the Bill of Rights as well?
00:31:32.880 Because I don't know how you square that.
00:31:35.140 Well, that's actually a super interesting question, because in the Confederate Constitution,
00:31:38.340 there is no Bill of Rights.
00:31:39.820 Correct.
00:31:40.380 Of course not.
00:31:40.840 Right, which is super interesting.
00:31:42.360 I have not looked into the conversations they had about not including the Bill of Rights,
00:31:46.420 but absolutely, that would be an interesting conversation or interesting research.
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