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00:03:19.980So we're just a few days away from Christmas, and it just feels weird.
00:03:25.100Maybe it's because I'm into my Christmas shopping or whatever.
00:03:29.520But I'm lacking just a little bit of the Christmas spirit, and I want to start today by fixing our gaze upon that cradle in Bethlehem where the greatest gift ever given entered the world.
00:03:46.520The humblest of surroundings beneath the watchful eyes of shepherds in the celestial light of heaven's star.
00:04:47.140Each of us was endowed with free will, the power to choose, to chart our own course, to stumble, to rise, to dust ourself off, and press on.
00:05:00.680Again, this is the difference between people.
00:05:08.960People that just want a guarantee, which there is none in life.
00:05:14.000Or people who understand that free will, to be free, to live free.
00:07:18.240And it is the freedom to forgive others.
00:07:20.640And more difficult, I think, to forgive ourselves, it's the freedom to lay down the weight of guilt.
00:07:32.080I'm a recovering alcoholic, and for a reason.
00:07:39.620There are times in your life where you just are wrought with guilt.
00:07:44.260You just can't move because in your head you're playing these tapes over and over again and they're all lies.
00:07:50.480That's what Christmas is, the freedom to lay down that guilt, to heal wounds, old and new, to grasp the hand of grace that lifts us up out of the muck and the mire.
00:15:44.360No matter how beaten down we are, no matter how grave our hour or how heavy the burden, the light of truth still shines.
00:15:56.700They tried to snuff it out, as darkness always does, but it cannot.
00:16:01.100And that light of truth calls us to rise above all of our trials, to grasp the freedom that that little baby secured for us, and to walk boldly in the path of all that is good, all that is true, all that is right.
00:16:18.180Let's commit over the next few weeks, that in the next year, we're going to hold fast to the truth, no matter if it's good for our side or bad for our side.
00:16:32.000We're just talking about the truth, hold to the truth, knowing that we're all flawed, but also knowing we're loved beyond measure.
00:16:40.780That even though we fall, we're never alone and never forsaken.
00:16:50.340And though all the battles of life may rage, the ultimate victory has already been won.
00:16:58.080May I humbly suggest that we commit to each other this year to let the joy of Christmas not be just something that maybe we just barely feel right now, but we'll feel more and more as we get closer to the holidays.
00:17:21.320Instead of letting that being of a fleeting sentiment, let's try to make that an abiding strength.
00:17:33.800Let the hope of that little baby inspire us, give us the courage to face the trials of our time, because trials are still yet to come.
00:17:45.260Let the freedom wrought by the birth of Christ embolden us to live every day as people redeemed, ever striving, ever learning, ever stumbling, but grateful for that stumble because it means we're ever growing.
00:18:04.600In the words of the angels on that holy night, glory to God in the highest and on earth peace, goodwill toward men.
00:18:19.900The greatest gift we can give ourselves and each other is the gift that this peace, this freedom, this hope be ours now and forevermore.
00:18:46.540We're going to talk about a lot of crap today.
00:18:50.860We're going to talk about a lot of people that you're going to want to say, I don't think I can forgive that person.
00:19:01.000A lot of people that you're going to be sitting with in just a few weeks at the Christmas table, and they're going to say, I don't know why you don't see that shooting that UnitedHealthcare worker.
00:19:13.540Why that CEO, why that's not a heroic, why that's not a heroic, have you seen the shooter's abs?
00:19:19.560And you're going to go, I can't take it anymore, I can't take it.
00:19:22.740But what I thought of when I was putting this together for you today was, man,
00:19:32.580If God can put up with me, how can I not put up with...
00:20:03.800I think we should recognize that we wouldn't be in the good position that we're in right now if what we all thought was bad in 2020 didn't happen.
00:20:15.780If Donald Trump would have won in 2020, God only knows what we'd be facing.
00:20:21.620And what we'd be facing unknown because they hadn't revealed themselves yet.
00:20:59.320Sometimes I just pack that food right on my fork.
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00:22:05.200And I want you to know, what I'm going to say to you here is I'm only saying it because it is absolutely true, and it only counts when it takes everything in you to say it.
00:22:21.860It's easy to say, well, we have the right.
00:22:28.340It only counts when you hate saying it, and I hate saying this.
00:22:37.280With that, let me play a couple of clips of audio.
00:22:42.220Let's first play Taylor Lorenz as she was talking with Piers Morgan about the killer of the UnitedHealthcare CEO.
00:22:54.040Why would you be in such a celebratory mood about the execution of another human being?
00:23:01.180Aren't you supposed to be on the caring, sharing left where, you know, you believe in the sanctity of life?
00:23:06.740I do believe in the sanctity of life, and I think that's why I felt, along with so many other Americans, joy, unfortunately, you know, because it feels like...
00:23:36.140So are the tens of thousands of Americans that are being murdered.
00:23:37.720So are the tens of thousands of Americans, innocent Americans, who died because greedy health insurance executives like this one push policies of denying care to the most vulnerable people.
00:23:51.340And by the way, let me just clarify...
00:23:51.780Hang on, Taylor, I'll come back to you.
00:28:01.960If somebody then picked up guns and started mowing down black people or white people or people that have bad acne or perfect faces or whatever it is,
00:28:13.900then that speech, he would be responsible for it.
00:28:20.940But the court says it is such a fine line here that you have to go so far before your speech is banned.
00:28:33.600It has to be, one, directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and two, likely to incite or produce such action.
00:29:26.680For all those on the left that claim that they are the banners of justice, they believe in the Bill of Rights, they believe in freedom of speech, but it has limits.
00:41:53.220How close are we to, you know, the things like the loss of free will, where we just don't know if it was us that decided or it's been planted, you know, in our minds to think it's our idea?
00:42:07.740Well, you know, first, I was listening beforehand to your conversation with Megan Garcia about her son, Sewell, who obviously was manipulated by this character.ai chatbot.
00:42:22.540And unfortunately, as of yesterday, there was a second piece of litigation filed about another child who's actually still anonymous.
00:42:33.660And in this case, you know, this young child, JF, was a kind and sweet, you know, young person, had no history of violence or outbursts.
00:42:43.460And after his exposure to character.ai, he was basically encouraged by the chatbot to practice self-harm in the form of cutting, told how to do it, encouraged to do it.
00:42:59.320And he was also encouraged by this chatbot to be physically and emotionally abusive towards his parents and members of his family.
00:43:33.920You know, Charlie Munger, Warren Buffett's business partner, said, if you show me the incentive, I will show you the outcome.
00:43:40.140And when the incentives and business models are, I have to get you using this product for as much as possible.
00:43:46.980It's the race for maximizing attention and engagement usage of the product that creates.
00:43:53.000I think we talked about it the very first time, the race to the bottom of the brainstem for a more polarized, addicted, distracted, sexualized forms of media.
00:44:01.180But now the things that we saw with, you know, other forms of media, you now have a personalized AI in which the way the character.ai works is they take a fictional character.
00:44:17.400You take your favorite character and then, boom, snap of the fingers, you have a fully interactive version of this character who's talking to you 24-7.
00:44:25.920And our team, unfortunately, uncovered, along with the family that was harmed, that when you create a new account on character.ai as a young person, it immediately recommends, of all the characters that it could recommend to you, it recommends characters named stepsis, like stepsister, or CEO, or high school teacher.
00:44:46.780And these characters almost immediately engage in sexually explicit interactions because they're simply, you know, trained to do this.
00:44:55.840Okay, so, Tristan, here's the problem.
00:45:04.040Your typical answer would be, okay, the incentives are all screwed up, but that's what comes from the free market when you have a, you know, when you have an immoral end user, which is our society.
00:45:30.980We had meetings in D.C. in May where we talked to them about this, and the meetings were absolutely horrifying, and we came out basically deciding we had to endorse Trump.
00:45:40.540Mark, add so little color to absolutely horrifying.
00:46:03.480They basically said AI is going to be a game of two or three big companies working closely with the government, and we're going to basically wrap them in a, you know, I'm paraphrasing, but we're going to basically wrap them in a government cocoon.
00:46:15.820We're going to protect them from competition.
00:46:17.580We're going to control them, and we're going to dictate what they do.
00:46:21.580And then I said, well, I said, I don't understand how you're going to lock this down so much because like the math.
00:46:46.000Well, so we often talk about this problem as there's sort of two ways to go, which is one is you say this is a dangerous technology, and we need to sort of control it.
00:48:11.840We're for pro-steering, you know, and that can include basic things like liability so that companies are liable for the harms that they create, just like you would want any externalities to be owned on the balance sheet.
00:48:23.900And so they're incentivized to not have caused the problem.
00:48:26.920And you can have things like whistleblower protections in advance to the fact that the government doesn't have a lot of people, as you said, the octogenarians that are in Congress and don't understand the issues.
00:48:38.240We can have more protections from people inside the company.
00:48:43.940So here's one of the things that they didn't understand.
00:48:46.660When some of those people were talking about, well, then we're going to pass new laws, I said, those laws, by the time you get them written, it will be a whole new set of problems.
00:48:58.760I mean, we're so far behind, you know, and those sound like, I mean, we're doing, honestly, it's almost as if we are as unmoored as the Nazi scientists who are like, I don't know, let's inject some blue into people's eyes.
00:49:23.320I mean, it's insane what we're doing, and there doesn't seem to be any way to stop it because everybody is going to have it and our enemies are going to have it.
00:49:35.900Yes, but I mean, as you're saying, I do agree that it's insane we've allowed ourselves to get this far.
00:49:42.020You know, a short way of saying it is software is eating the world.
00:50:37.640As we both know, I would say the number one reason why we're not regulating or doing something about this is because we're saying, well, we'll stifle innovation compared to China.
00:50:46.660But it turns out the biggest accelerant to China's AI progress has been American AI companies, specifically Facebook or Meta's AI model called Llama, has been cited to be the number one accelerant of China's progress.
00:51:00.940And so the first thing is getting clear that to the degree we're in a race, we're in a race to get to a stable future.
00:51:08.740And right now we're building a future like we played the game Jenga.
00:51:11.660If you remember that, you know, in your family, it's like we're adding these amazing new things at the top of the stack, like new cures to cancer.
00:51:19.100But we pulled out a fundamental building block in society, which is now anybody can make dangerous things with biology because that's what enabled the new cures to cancer.
00:51:28.240We make at the very top of the Jenga tower, we add the ability for anybody to make AI art.
00:51:33.860But in doing so, we pulled out a fundamental block of now no one knows what's true or real.
00:51:39.080And so, yes, we're in a race with China, but we're in a race to have actually a stable and integrated future.
00:51:44.880So it's a race for who can better govern this technology, not who has the power in a way that self undermines you.
00:51:51.440Tristan, I'm out of time and I always am with you.
00:51:54.880I would love to have you back maybe before the holiday or right after whatever will fit into your schedule to spend more time with you on what's right around the corner, what's already here that parents and all of us should be aware of and more of the because I read this stuff and I see this stuff and, you know, I've been talking about it since the 90s.
00:52:16.640And to me, it just feels overwhelming that it's here and nobody's done anything about it.
00:52:23.040And I'm on the opposite end of most people, I think.
00:52:26.820They don't even know about most of this stuff yet and what's right around the corner.
00:52:32.020And I appreciate your point of view that we still have time.
00:52:38.080It's obviously getting slim, but we can still emphasize that, you know, to policymakers, senators, the new administration, the new surgeon general,
00:52:45.120we need to know about and act on these harms.
00:52:47.780And, Glenn, thank you so much always for letting me get a chance to talk about this stuff.