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Glenn Beck returns to the Glenn Beck Program to discuss all things Andrew Cuomo. Glenn and Tucker talk about why the New York Governor is such a bad guy, why he should lose his Emmy, and what we can learn from him.
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Hey, great program today. It's the return of Stubra Gear. Yay! Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we've got a lot of Andrew Cuomo is Awful.com talk that you don't want to miss.
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Also, Tucker Carlson on today's program and some really uplifting phone calls from people who made it in America.
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I know, it can't be done. People who came here with nothing and learned English, played by the rules, and now one of them was a woman from the mountains of Colombia who made it here with $10 in her pocket and she just sold her multi-million dollar company.
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Don't tell me you can't make it in America. Proof is on today's podcast.
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Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program and the triumphant return of the guy who has known this for years.
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One of the first Cuomo monologues Stu did was, is it just me?
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He has been saying that he is, Andrew Cuomo is just awful.
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Andrew Cuomo is awful.com, important to get that address right.
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And you've been saying that not because of, of, you know, his handling of the COVID and killing, you know, all the people in the nursing home or sexually assaulting women.
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Well, it's interesting because it really, my obsession with how terrible and awful Andrew Cuomo was really didn't stem from the nursing home thing, which came later.
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However, I couldn't understand why he was getting credit for this incredible handling of the coronavirus when, I mean, objectively, he oversaw the worst coronavirus response in America.
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And you wonder, like, why is he getting praise for doing these amazing things?
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And you kept hearing how great his press conferences were.
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Like, is he doing two a day and I'm catching the bad ones?
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And, you know, you look at it and I think fundamentally people look at it as this has advanced and said, okay, Andrew Cuomo was awful because he killed thousands of people in nursing homes.
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Andrew Cuomo was awful because he sexually harassed a bunch of people in his office.
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It's not that Andrew Cuomo is awful because of these things.
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Andrew Cuomo is awful and therefore these things occur.
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He, at his core, is such a continually bad person at his core that these scandals are the obvious side effect of this larger illness that is Andrew Cuomo and his character.
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And the fact, I think a lot of this behavior, like when you're out there saying you're an ally in the Me Too movement, well, like the next day, these complaints, these harassment complaints.
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He was going and harassing these women days after making big speeches about Me Too, you know, that sort of hubris only comes from a ridiculous amount of power that he shouldn't have had, a complete confidence that he would never get taken down, and an assistance by the media to a level that you can't possibly imagine.
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Yeah, the Federalist had a great take on this, that the one lesson that we should learn from Andrew Cuomo is that he's not the problem.
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The problem really is the press, because the press, I mean, think of Andrew Cuomo's life.
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His father was governor, so you know he had special privileges all throughout his life growing up.
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He's already a spoiled child, already expects to get his way because he's a Cuomo, and he's also a very, very vindictive guy.
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The press decides just to get into bed with him.
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If he's doing this stuff and they like him, it's fine.
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Yeah, it's interesting because that is the difference with Cuomo.
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He is such a terrible guy and has been so terrible to the people around him for so long, like Harvey Weinstein, that they were able to actually look at the facts of the story and not feel terrible trying to take him down.
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Because I will say, while I agree with the Federalist there that the media is a huge issue in this, there were some people who actually did go after Cuomo.
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And I don't know that without the New York Times jumping on the bandwagon, although very late, I don't know that this stuff would have actually happened.
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I don't know that he actually is out of office.
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I think Janice Dean deserves a lot of the credit for this.
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Probably the most important person in making sure that this occurred is Janice Dean.
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I mean, especially because, you know, you look at Janice, who people know from, you know, she's been on TV for a very long time, but is not a hardcore partisan, is not known for going after people in a negative way at all.
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I mean, her book is this, like, collection of sweet tales of parents, like, helping their sick children.
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Like, it's like, she's like the nicest person in the universe.
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And the fact that she was out there saying these things about Cuomo almost shocked the system, I think, for a lot of people.
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Wait a minute, this guy really is doing these things.
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She wouldn't, she had no incentive to become a person out there being.
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You know, and she didn't do that, which was vital, I think.
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So take me through, because yesterday it was about, I don't know, 10.56, the last couple of minutes on air, he decides to come out.
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And all the word is, is that he is not going to resign.
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And he starts his resignation with, you know, look, I didn't do these things.
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And I thought, and I said, because we ran out of time, I said, looks like this guy is just going to hold on.
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And then 10 minutes into it, he starts saying, so that's why I'm leaving.
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Yeah, it was really, I think, shocking to a lot of people.
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The first really big issue here was Melissa DeRosa resigning.
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DeRosa was like lead henchman, you know, for Cuomo.
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I mean, I think there was a legal activity done by this administration.
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And they're going to have to go through all of this and sort it out.
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Like that person who was, again, Maxwell is accused of even much more serious crimes.
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And, and, uh, she was the one who greased the skids, berating employees, changing the
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nursing home report so that it didn't tell the truth.
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Um, you know, all of these targeting Lindsay Boylan, the first accuser and trying, you know,
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helping to try to ruin her life as after she made this accusation.
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Um, and she was super, super loyal, like the lead loyalist.
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And, um, you know, I don't know if she was a really, is she a really terrible person?
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Was she completely terrified too by Andrew Cuomo?
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I don't know, but she did all sorts of things that I think are illegal or borderline illegal.
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And when she, she really was the biggest loyalist.
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The fact that she stepped down was a huge signal that he was not going to be able to survive
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this because it was, as far as I knew yesterday morning, he was still telling people I'm staying.
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He, uh, what he was trying to, um, to, uh, to figure out a way to, to how can I cut a deal
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And, and trust me when I say this, Andrew Cuomo didn't leave.
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He realized that this impeachment was going to throw him out of office anyway.
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And he's seeing this as the best pass path forward for him because that's all he ever thinks
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I think I'm doing the right thing for the state as he tried to pull off yesterday.
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So he's going back and forth deciding whether he's going to step down or not.
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She came out for about 40 minutes and made an, an extensive case as to why, uh, this,
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And, you know, I mean, I think you could make an argument that it was one sided.
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They didn't, I mean, they did include some of Cuomo's answers to these questions.
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Uh, but like, you know, he, I, he, you, everything you'd expect from someone who's going to, you
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And he came out, uh, she came out and did this big presentation and, um, laid out, went
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through each individual accuser and all the, all of that.
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And at this point, reporters are getting word that Cuomo has flown from, uh, Albany to New
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York city where she's making this presentation.
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And they're like, are he's going to make an appearance of some sort?
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Like he's going to come out and address this, but they had no sense for sure that he was
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going to, um, resign and he came out, he started his defense.
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He went through specific accusers and accusations and said, I didn't do these things.
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Uh, these women, you know, the, the, that just absolutely didn't happen.
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You know, he made kind of the, the, the, look, I'm an old, uh, the times of shame should
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I could pat, pat a woman on the behind from the Steno pool and it's like this ridiculous
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He's like, you became like, you became governor in the two thousands.
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This is not, like you didn't go back to 1870 when all of this was okay.
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I gave her a little tap on the ass, a little goose for her good work.
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And so it looked like he was going through this whole process.
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And then at the end, he just said, look, yeah, I think it's best for the state that
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Now, of course he does not care at all about anyone in the state, not named Cuomo as evidenced
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by who got all the COVID tests when they were really scarce, all of his family members
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and friends, but he sees this as his only way forward.
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So I want to, we're going to take a one minute break and then I want to ask you, he's staying
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It makes one of the former prosecutors from, from the New York district for the FBI makes
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Larry, I just hope that nothing nefarious is going on in the next 14 days.
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But I want to talk about where he goes next, because I think he was positioning himself.
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I don't know what for, but that was a position and maybe it was just positioning for a court
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Uh, but once, once he's out of the way, then people tend to generally try to, oh, let's
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It has, uh, been released today through Simon and Schuster.
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Uh, it is called the long slide 30 years in American journalism.
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Uh, I want to, I want, let's start with first, just the, um, the NSA scandal that's going
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Uh, how comfortable are you that we're going to find out what's really going on that
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the watchdog, uh, for the intelligence agencies are, are going to be fair and independent?
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I mean, it's totally, you should have the expectation when you live in America, if you
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criticize the regime, then they read your email.
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I mean, I, I learned, so I thought that was illegal and un-American and an assault on
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But I learned from the daily beast that actually, if you complain about it, then you hate America.
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The war on terror has been turned against American citizens, but you deserve it because
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It is, it's, it's, it's pretty phenomenal what is going on in America, especially with
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the, with the, uh, uh, with the intelligence agency.
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I mean, you now have not only Americans being spied on, you're being spied on, but you also
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have the Capitol police becoming an intelligence agency, the post office.
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I mean, I, I moved to Washington when I was 15.
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I applied to work at the CIA when I graduated college in operations.
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We understood, and you know, you're, we're the same age about, so you remember, we understood
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the U S government and our Intel agencies and our military and our federal law enforcement
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If you, you know, the idea that your son would grow up to be an FBI agent, you're thinking,
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And the difference, look, you can't turn the awesome law enforcement and Intel gathering
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powers of the federal government against American citizens on a wholesale basis.
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We have a lot of laws in place designed to prevent it.
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And it's just bewildering to me that like, no one says anything about it.
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If you care about democracy, you're opposed to this with everything that you have.
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If they can do this, what they did to Donald Trump and they can do this to you, what makes
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the average American think they won't turn it on them easily?
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And I, I'm, I'm concluding things and saying things out loud that I, I just three years
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ago, I never would have imagined I would say or think I, you know, I would have thought,
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I think I'm the least paranoid, you know, sunniest, most optimistic, naive person.
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And I know, I mean, I never assume bad motives on the part of any American, you know, I don't
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want to anyway, but, um, yeah, I think if you're paying attention, you're deeply concerned
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about where we're going and that's not a partisan point.
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You know, if you care about basic civil liberties, like the right to disagree, the right to speak
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your mind, the right to follow your own conscience, the right to raise your family, you know, roughly
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Let me, let me, wait, wait, wait, wait, let me come back to that for a second on that.
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And just to ask you one last question on this, do you know who unmasked you?
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And I was back and I ran into a very old, very close friend of mine who said, who, who
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Who said in person, you know, you are planning this trip to Russia.
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So I don't know how you'd know because, and then this person told me that the NSA had been
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reading my electronic communications, my texts and emails and had unmasked me and was going
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to spread this to news organizations to suggest that I was somehow a disloyal American.
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I'm not normally rattled by stuff, but that's so over the top that I immediately called like
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the only person in politics I would ever talk to is a U S Senator who's wise.
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And I said, this, this kind of, this kind of scares me, honestly, what should I do?
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You're just the only power you have is to talk, which is true.
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And you need to do that right away as you know, prophylactically as a self-defense
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I mean, would you want to go on the air and say they're spying on me?
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No, you sound like a nutcase, but I didn't feel like I had a choice.
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So let me, let me go back to where you just said, this is not a partisan issue because
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And I think your book is, is, um, kind of evidence, uh, of that you, you, you talk about
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the 30 years in American journalism, the long slide, and you yourself say you couldn't
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do the things you couldn't report, uh, the things, um, today that you were doing back
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You couldn't, um, uh, the, the system is no longer what it was when we thought at least
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we all agreed with each other and we were all seeking the same, same outcome.
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I don't think there, I don't think all Americans even agree on your right to privacy and your
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And it's kind of, I mean, I'm sure you have this experience every day.
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You wake up in a brand new country, but it's hard to get perspective on how profound the
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change is because there are so few mile markers, you know, you don't, it just seems like, oh,
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Going back and reading 30 years of journalism, mostly magazine journalism, um, was just kind
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I mean, a lot of the pieces in the book I wrote for the New York times.
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There's no chance I would ever, I wrote for the new Republic.
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I also had a lot of friends over the, I mean, a lot of friends, not just a few, like a lot
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I, I'm actually, I've never been very partisan.
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I'm not super impressed by the Republican party.
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I don't like the democratic party, but I don't hate people because of their voter ID, you know,
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And so reading this, you really, I really got the sense that boy, you know, it's a completely
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We are polarized to the point where you, you wonder how we reach agreement on, on anything.
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And to your point, you know, what do we agree on?
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This is a, has always been a multiracial country with no state religion.
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You know, we've always been in some sense, a diverse country and that's great.
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I like that, but you have to have something that unites you, something that we all agree
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Like, why are we all living on this continent together, sharing a common federal government?
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And increasingly, it's hard to answer that question.
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And I, I contend you could get a, a, maybe a majority, a slim majority to disagree with
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maybe eight of the first 10 in the bill of rights.
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Do you have nothing left if you don't have the bill of rights?
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It's at this point, if you can't agree on that, I mean, let's just be totally blunt.
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Countries don't hang together because they hang together naturally.
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There's a, you know, there's a centrifugal force as a physics principle, and this is
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a huge country and it's diverse on every level, not just ethnically, but geographically.
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People, you know, the country won't hang together unless we work intentionally and ceaselessly
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to, to create a reason for it to hang together.
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It can't just be, you know, we control the Pentagon, obey that.
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And they have, the majority needs to agree that we're in this together for a reason because
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And if you set out to destroy those bonds, if you set out to increase tribalism, which
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is what they're doing, no, your first loyalties to your ethnic group.
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And so I just think we need a national movement starting like this afternoon to figure out
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what it is we have in common and to emphasize that, because otherwise, I mean, it's just
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What, um, when you look at other countries, I mean, for a long time, we were, you know,
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We got to be, I, in some ways, I'd love to be like some of the countries in Europe.
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Some of the, some of the countries in Europe are, are preaching against us.
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Whatever's come, whatever poison is coming out of there.
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Um, and I've heard you talk about Hungary and the way, the way that the government is
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now in Hungary, they are more free than we are.
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Well, that's, I, I mean, it's just funny to be in your fifties cause you, you dimly remember
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a life before this and you're what you just said, it just makes me laugh because I was
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And I thought that the whole time we mocked Europe.
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I mean, constantly mocked Europe and, and how sad is it?
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I take no joy in noting what's true, which is when, in, if you're in Budapest and you
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disagree with the, with the ruling party, you know, you don't need armed bodyguards.
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The majority of media in Hungary are opposed to the ruling party.
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The ruling party may lose in the coming elections.
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And that's, you know, that's how things work in a representative democracy.
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You know, like you, you have peaceful transfers of power and people are allowed to say what
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they think and store windows aren't smashed because they disagree with the COVID policy
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Um, let me ask you because, uh, I finished my, the last book I did, uh, I've been with
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Simon and Schuster for 20 years and I want nothing to do with John Karp, uh, the CEO.
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Uh, they started firing conservatives at Simon and Schuster, uh, started closing things down
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You have this publisher, Simon and Schuster is your publisher for this book.
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I mean, they, and I told them I was going to, I mean, there's something, well, they published
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And in fact, I, I dedicated it to John Karp effectively.
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Um, so, you know, they know, but what, look, it's really simple.
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They're one of the most powerful book publishers in the world.
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The whole point of publishing and of journalism is to keep open this free exchange of ideas.
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You don't agree with at least half of them, but it's important for people to be able to
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And I, I was shocked when they canceled Josh Hawley's book because they didn't like his
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They issued a press release calling him a terrorist.
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And I watched this with my jaw open, knowing that I had a book due to them.
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So I called John Karp and I said, what is this?
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And I said, I feel a moral obligation to report this out because I'm getting paid by
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I'm benefiting from your censorship and I feel bad about that.
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And if you don't want to publish the book, you don't have to.
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And I think he, they really felt trapped because they knew that they canceled my book.
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I was going to go after them, which I certainly would.
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So it was just those, one of these weird circumstances where I got to report out censorship in real
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And I thought that I should, I felt it was my duty to do that.
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Although my next book is, my next book is coming out self-published.
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And I don't know anybody of my size that has ever tried that before.
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I mean, I, I would love to talk to you about that because that seems like the future.
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I mean, why are we putting all, you know, our ideas into the hands of censors?
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I mean, why are we participating in the system?
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I mean, it's the same, I'm in the same place I was in, you know, 10 years ago when I started
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the blaze TV where it, it didn't make any sense.
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Nobody's actually breaking the, the molds on this, but it has to be done because I'm not
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going to, I'm not going to sit and be held hostage by a, a corrupt system.
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I look back and I realized how stupid I, when you started blaze TV, I was like, well, you
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know, you were like the biggest guy in cable news.
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Why don't you just, you know, just stay in cable news?
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And I'm grateful just as an, I'm not, I'm not saying this by the way, as flattery.
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The fact that you're self-publishing, that you built your own thing, those turned out
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to be incredibly prescient and important decisions because the current system is unsustainable.
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Well, I, but as you know, cause I, I write to you from time to time just to thank you for
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I know what it's like for your wife and your children.
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And, uh, I, I truly pray for you and, uh, admire your courage, Tucker.
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Uh, the name of the, uh, the name of the book, uh, that you can get, it's out today.
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The long slide 30 years in American journalism with Tucker Carlson, by the way, Tucker is going
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to be doing a podcast with me in the next couple of weeks.
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So we'll have a good hour or so to be able to, uh, further our conversation.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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Oh man, we have Michael calling in from California.
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Uh, Michael, welcome to the Glenn Beck program.
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Um, so you moved from Poland and why did you move away and come to America?
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So my family experienced quite a hell during World War II.
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So my grandfather was a POW who was murdered by the, uh, Soviet NKVDA.
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And so the rest of the family was either deported to Kazakhstan and Siberia.
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The other, uh, the other grandfather was with the, uh, British Eighth Army.
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So he was stationed in Iraq, then Egypt and Italy.
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After the war, um, most of these soldiers were actually prosecuted.
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Well, he was staying in England until 1958, fearing for his life.
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And so, uh, the family somehow lived in the communist Poland.
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And so I was growing up in that place and I couldn't believe you could live in a cage
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I basically took a tourist trip and, and just fled and ended up in West Berlin, applied for
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immigration visa and, uh, to the United States, uh, came as a refugee.
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And when I landed, I had like $300 in my pocket and a country that was really, really free.
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And, you know, I'm calling the first time ever I would ever call a station because what
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is happening in the United States today, it's scary.
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I find it terrifying, but only people like you generally agree with me.
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I was stopped in the mall the other day by a woman from, I think, Poland.
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You're, you're going, you're, you're doing what we escaped from.
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I don't know what freedom is until you lose it.
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So in, uh, uh, just in Indiana, but I, uh, when I came, I actually was working three
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jobs all part-time and going full-time to college on the East coast, a very prominent
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Uh, so I was the poorest kid on in that school with, you know, friends driving, uh, you
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know, Porsche and Mercedes, and I was driving a beat up Chevy, but hell, I, excuse me for
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And then, uh, and then went to graduate school.
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Then I ended up working for big multinationals worldwide in the United States, overseas in
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Japan, in Asia, in Europe, all over Russia and all the territories.
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So, you know, I was very, very successful after being basically arriving with one suitcase with
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I came from Dominican Republic, um, as a child in the early nineties, I was seven years
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Um, my dad actually came seven years before when my mom was pregnant of me and it took
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seven years for him to bring his whole family over.
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So we were separate, which made it damaged their marriage, but it basically, um, my mom
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wasn't going to leave us in Dominican Republic while she was here.
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Um, and my dad was a cab driver in New York city.
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Um, he'd worked 16 hour days and finally made enough money to put my mom into college.
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She was a doctor or a dentist already in my country.
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Um, couldn't find a job, didn't have anything to show for it.
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She came here, was accepted into NYU and she graduated.
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And actually the first year that she worked as a dentist was the first year we ever had
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My brother and I always remember that because we had nothing and I always watched my parents
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And, um, what a, what a great, what a great story.
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You are really blessed to have that memory, uh, of your family and of your life.
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I mean, I, I have, I have kids, um, that are older in their thirties and they remember when
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My younger kids, they were born, you know, around the, the height of my success and they
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And there is something to having, uh, the memory of nothing.
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Um, all right, let me go to, uh, is Blanca there now?
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And, uh, first, first of all, I want to thank God for his grace.
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And I was, because I was born in Columbia, South America, up in the mountains where we
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had no, uh, running water, no electricity, nothing, not even a radio to listen to the news.
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And I came to this country at the age of 18 years old with $10 in my pocket, no English.
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Um, I work as a, um, a nanny and I learned English.
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I took my GED and then, um, I went to the university and I was, by the grace of God, I was able to
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So I started from zero clients and I, uh, run the office with grace and, and loving my clients
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And, um, and I was able to bring this company to be worth millions of dollars.
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And, uh, and I retired and now I've been retired for nine years.
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So Blanca, what do you, what do you say to people who are saying, you know, I'm so oppressed
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by a statue that I can't function or that, uh, America is such a racist place.
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You can never make it unless you vote for these people in Washington.
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And I cry, literally cry when I hear this, because this is a land of opportunities.
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I don't say it's easy because I was working 14 hours a day when I started my company.
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And, um, if you work hard and you believe in yourself and you don't give up, you, the
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And I, I, I thank God because, um, without him, you are nothing.
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But if you trust in God and you work hard, because God is not going to put it right at
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your doorstep, but he gives you, uh, a mind, hands in, in, in an opportunity that nowhere
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in the world, there's no other country in the world, like this country where you can be
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I would have never, ever been able to succeed in any other country because I came with $10
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in my pocket and I was able to succeed because I believe that there is an opportunity for
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everyone, for everyone who wants to work hard and not depend on the government.
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Government gets in the way of people getting to be successful in this country.
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And I am so fearful these days for our country, because, um, this is my country and I would
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die for my country if I had to these days, because there is, it's, it's freedom, but it
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Well, I will tell you, uh, Blanca, I am, uh, more and more, I believe that if somehow or
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another, we could get all of the immigrants together and they could become a pack and
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they could run commercials and they could make their voices and their stories heard that
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We're, we're only hearing bad stories of, you know, immigrants.
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We're only hearing, uh, Oh, they're living in poverty and everything else.
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There are a lot of immigrants to this country because every single person that is here,
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And then I'd argue the land bridge, uh, is from someplace else.
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So how could we be a nation of immigrants that hates immigrants and doesn't provide