The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program ｜ Guest： Tucker Carlson ｜ 8⧸11⧸21

00:00:00.280 Hey, great program today. It's the return of Stubra Gear. Yay! Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we've got a lot of Andrew Cuomo is Awful.com talk that you don't want to miss.

00:00:13.980 Also, Tucker Carlson on today's program and some really uplifting phone calls from people who made it in America.

00:00:21.980 I know, it can't be done. People who came here with nothing and learned English, played by the rules, and now one of them was a woman from the mountains of Colombia who made it here with $10 in her pocket and she just sold her multi-million dollar company.

00:00:39.600 Don't tell me you can't make it in America. Proof is on today's podcast.

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00:00:51.680 The Best of the Glenn Beck Program

00:00:54.500 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program and the triumphant return of the guy who has known this for years.

00:01:08.080 One of the first Cuomo monologues Stu did was, is it just me?

00:01:16.100 He has been saying that he is, Andrew Cuomo is just awful.

00:01:21.040 Andrew Cuomo is just awful.com

00:01:22.900 Andrew Cuomo is awful.com, important to get that address right.

00:01:26.320 And you've been saying that not because of, of, you know, his handling of the COVID and killing, you know, all the people in the nursing home or sexually assaulting women.

00:01:38.600 You said it because he's just awful.

00:01:42.280 Yeah.

00:01:42.640 Well, it's interesting because it really, my obsession with how terrible and awful Andrew Cuomo was really didn't stem from the nursing home thing, which came later.

00:01:53.380 However, I couldn't understand why he was getting credit for this incredible handling of the coronavirus when, I mean, objectively, he oversaw the worst coronavirus response in America.

00:02:07.080 And at that time, I think the world.

00:02:10.220 And you wonder, like, why is he getting praise for doing these amazing things?

00:02:15.040 And you kept hearing how great his press conferences were.

00:02:18.240 And I was like, am I watching the same ones?

00:02:20.340 Like, is he doing two a day and I'm catching the bad ones?

00:02:22.820 What is happening?

00:02:25.560 And, you know, you look at it and I think fundamentally people look at it as this has advanced and said, okay, Andrew Cuomo was awful because he killed thousands of people in nursing homes.

00:02:35.820 That's a good argument.

00:02:36.980 Yeah.

00:02:37.120 That's a good argument.

00:02:38.080 Andrew Cuomo was awful because he sexually harassed a bunch of people in his office.

00:02:41.340 Good argument.

00:02:42.460 I think, though, it gets it reversed.

00:02:45.280 It's not that Andrew Cuomo is awful because of these things.

00:02:48.680 Andrew Cuomo is awful and therefore these things occur.

00:02:53.140 He, at his core, is such a continually bad person at his core that these scandals are the obvious side effect of this larger illness that is Andrew Cuomo and his character.

00:03:09.920 He's been a bad guy for a really long time.

00:03:12.080 He's been corrupt for a really long time.

00:03:14.300 And the fact, I think a lot of this behavior, like when you're out there saying you're an ally in the Me Too movement, well, like the next day, these complaints, these harassment complaints.

00:03:28.100 He was going and harassing these women days after making big speeches about Me Too, you know, that sort of hubris only comes from a ridiculous amount of power that he shouldn't have had, a complete confidence that he would never get taken down, and an assistance by the media to a level that you can't possibly imagine.

00:03:50.280 Yeah, the Federalist had a great take on this, that the one lesson that we should learn from Andrew Cuomo is that he's not the problem.

00:04:03.780 The problem really is the press, because the press, I mean, think of Andrew Cuomo's life.

00:04:10.000 His father was governor, so you know he had special privileges all throughout his life growing up.

00:04:17.760 Then he becomes governor.

00:04:20.260 Nobody's saying anything to him.

00:04:22.620 He's already a spoiled child, already expects to get his way because he's a Cuomo, and he's also a very, very vindictive guy.

00:04:32.880 The press decides just to get into bed with him.

00:04:35.800 The press knew about Harvey Weinstein.

00:04:37.940 The press knew about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:04:40.900 The press knew about Andrew Cuomo.

00:04:44.820 They don't actually care.

00:04:46.600 All of this cancel culture stuff is bullcrap.

00:04:49.900 When it comes to the press, it's bullcrap.

00:04:52.000 I wonder if he's going to lose his Emmy.

00:04:54.060 They gave him an Emmy.

00:04:56.560 Will he lose his Emmy?

00:04:58.260 No, because they don't care.

00:05:01.840 If he's doing this stuff and they like him, it's fine.

00:05:06.720 Yeah, it's interesting because that is the difference with Cuomo.

00:05:11.480 They don't like him.

00:05:13.800 He is such a terrible guy and has been so terrible to the people around him for so long, like Harvey Weinstein, that they were able to actually look at the facts of the story and not feel terrible trying to take him down.

00:05:28.320 Because I will say, while I agree with the Federalist there that the media is a huge issue in this, there were some people who actually did go after Cuomo.

00:05:38.080 And I don't know that without the New York Times jumping on the bandwagon, although very late, I don't know that this stuff would have actually happened.

00:05:46.360 I don't know that he actually is out of office.

00:05:48.180 I think Janice Dean deserves a lot of the credit for this. 0.99

00:05:50.900 Probably the most important person in making sure that this occurred is Janice Dean. 0.72

00:05:55.360 I mean, especially because, you know, you look at Janice, who people know from, you know, she's been on TV for a very long time, but is not a hardcore partisan, is not known for going after people in a negative way at all. 0.60

00:06:07.860 I mean, her book is this, like, collection of sweet tales of parents, like, helping their sick children.

00:06:14.100 Like, it's like, she's like the nicest person in the universe.

00:06:17.600 Right.

00:06:17.940 And the fact that she was out there saying these things about Cuomo almost shocked the system, I think, for a lot of people.

00:06:24.500 Wait a minute, this guy really is doing these things.

00:06:26.340 These are, this guy really is bad.

00:06:27.940 She wouldn't, she had no incentive to become a person out there being.

00:06:34.300 She had a lot of incentive to not.

00:06:35.980 To just keep her mouth shut. 1.00

00:06:36.780 That person, yeah.

00:06:37.460 You know, and she didn't do that, which was vital, I think.

00:06:39.400 So take me through, because yesterday it was about, I don't know, 10.56, the last couple of minutes on air, he decides to come out.

00:06:50.480 And all the word is, is that he is not going to resign.

00:06:54.100 And he starts his resignation with, you know, look, I didn't do these things.

00:06:59.940 And I thought, and I said, because we ran out of time, I said, looks like this guy is just going to hold on.

00:07:06.020 And then 10 minutes into it, he starts saying, so that's why I'm leaving.

00:07:10.100 Yeah, it was really, I think, shocking to a lot of people.

00:07:13.400 The first really big issue here was Melissa DeRosa resigning. 1.00

00:07:17.300 And that happened on Sunday.

00:07:18.780 DeRosa was like lead henchman, you know, for Cuomo.

00:07:22.800 And, you know, we're going to find out.

00:07:24.180 I mean, I think there was a legal activity done by this administration.

00:07:27.060 And they're going to have to go through all of this and sort it out.

00:07:30.080 So she's, what's her name?

00:07:32.400 Giselle Maxwell?

00:07:34.800 No, yeah.

00:07:35.880 Right.

00:07:36.240 I mean, you know, yeah, kind of.

00:07:37.960 Yeah.

00:07:38.160 Like that person who was, again, Maxwell is accused of even much more serious crimes.

00:07:43.560 Sure.

00:07:43.920 But she was the, she was the enforcer.

00:07:46.560 She was the one who made it all go away.

00:07:48.980 And, and, uh, she was the one who greased the skids, berating employees, changing the 0.83

00:07:53.840 nursing home report so that it didn't tell the truth.

00:07:57.160 Um, you know, all of these targeting Lindsay Boylan, the first accuser and trying, you know,

00:08:03.960 helping to try to ruin her life as after she made this accusation.

00:08:07.880 Um, and she was super, super loyal, like the lead loyalist.

00:08:12.260 And, um, you know, I don't know if she was a really, is she a really terrible person?

00:08:18.300 Was she completely terrified too by Andrew Cuomo?

00:08:21.800 I don't know, but she did all sorts of things that I think are illegal or borderline illegal. 0.95

00:08:26.940 And when she, she really was the biggest loyalist.

00:08:30.620 The fact that she stepped down was a huge signal that he was not going to be able to survive

00:08:36.280 this because it was, as far as I knew yesterday morning, he was still telling people I'm staying.

00:08:43.260 He was still going back and forth after that.

00:08:45.040 He, uh, what he was trying to, um, to, uh, to figure out a way to, to how can I cut a deal

00:08:52.900 here?

00:08:53.100 And, and trust me when I say this, Andrew Cuomo didn't leave.

00:08:57.020 He did not resign office.

00:08:59.220 He realized he had no chance in staying.

00:09:02.680 He realized that this impeachment was going to throw him out of office anyway.

00:09:06.820 And he's seeing this as the best pass path forward for him because that's all he ever thinks

00:09:13.480 about.

00:09:14.200 So this was not him resigning.

00:09:16.680 Ah, you know what?

00:09:17.280 I think I'm doing the right thing for the state as he tried to pull off yesterday.

00:09:20.440 So he's going back and forth deciding whether he's going to step down or not.

00:09:24.000 Again, just a personal calculation.

00:09:26.420 Didn't they have an attorney?

00:09:28.560 Yeah.

00:09:28.740 His attorney was going to defend him.

00:09:31.100 And she did.

00:09:31.620 She came out for about 40 minutes and made an, an extensive case as to why, uh, this,

00:09:37.740 this report was one sided.

00:09:40.620 And, you know, I mean, I think you could make an argument that it was one sided.

00:09:43.520 They didn't, I mean, they did include some of Cuomo's answers to these questions.

00:09:47.820 Uh, but like, you know, he, I, he, you, everything you'd expect from someone who's going to, you

00:09:52.720 know, defend this to the end.

00:09:54.440 And he came out, uh, she came out and did this big presentation and, um, laid out, went

00:10:01.200 through each individual accuser and all the, all of that.

00:10:04.100 And at this point, reporters are getting word that Cuomo has flown from, uh, Albany to New

00:10:12.120 York city where she's making this presentation.

00:10:14.260 And they're like, are he's going to make an appearance of some sort?

00:10:16.920 Like he's going to come out and address this, but they had no sense for sure that he was

00:10:21.580 going to, um, resign and he came out, he started his defense.

00:10:27.120 He went through his defense.

00:10:28.820 He went through specific accusers and accusations and said, I didn't do these things.

00:10:32.240 They misinterpreted them.

00:10:33.480 Uh, these women, you know, the, the, that just absolutely didn't happen. 1.00

00:10:37.540 You know, he made kind of the, the, the, look, I'm an old, uh, the times of shame should

00:10:43.480 not, these lines have been redrawn.

00:10:45.360 And I tell you, I swear it was just yesterday.

00:10:48.020 I could pat, pat a woman on the behind from the Steno pool and it's like this ridiculous

00:10:53.020 mad men defense.

00:10:54.400 He keeps trying.

00:10:55.560 He's like, you became like, you became governor in the two thousands.

00:10:59.560 Right.

00:10:59.760 This is not, like you didn't go back to 1870 when all of this was okay.

00:11:04.140 And so he tried that thing.

00:11:06.060 He's tried it.

00:11:06.700 Miriam was at the mimeograph machine.

00:11:09.280 And yes, I thought she was doing a good job.

00:11:12.080 I gave her a little tap on the ass, a little goose for her good work. 0.99

00:11:15.980 Yeah.

00:11:16.420 And so he, he tried that again.

00:11:18.520 And so it looked like he was going through this whole process.

00:11:20.440 And then at the end, he just said, look, yeah, I think it's best for the state that

00:11:25.580 I stepped down.

00:11:26.820 Now, of course he does not care at all about anyone in the state, not named Cuomo as evidenced

00:11:33.140 by who got all the COVID tests when they were really scarce, all of his family members

00:11:38.740 and friends, but he sees this as his only way forward.

00:11:43.800 Okay.

00:11:44.400 So I want to, we're going to take a one minute break and then I want to ask you, he's staying

00:11:48.040 in for 14 days, which is weird.

00:11:49.960 Yes.

00:11:51.100 Maybe because he has no place to live.

00:11:53.580 It makes one of the former prosecutors from, from the New York district for the FBI makes

00:12:01.800 him very, he's like, that's not normal.

00:12:04.640 That's not necessary.

00:12:05.840 Larry, I just hope that nothing nefarious is going on in the next 14 days.

00:12:12.320 I can make a couple of promises on that one.

00:12:15.600 Yeah.

00:12:16.620 But I want to talk about where he goes next, because I think he was positioning himself.

00:12:22.060 I don't know what for, but that was a position and maybe it was just positioning for a court

00:12:27.200 hearing.

00:12:28.200 I don't think anything's going to go to court.

00:12:30.380 Maybe it does.

00:12:31.220 Uh, but once, once he's out of the way, then people tend to generally try to, oh, let's

00:12:36.100 just forgive and forget.

00:12:42.820 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:12:45.480 Mr. Tucker Carlson.

00:12:58.260 He has a new book out.

00:12:59.820 It has, uh, been released today through Simon and Schuster.

00:13:04.120 Uh, it is called the long slide 30 years in American journalism.

00:13:09.800 Welcome to the program, Tucker.

00:13:11.500 Hey, Glenn.

00:13:12.640 Thanks for having me.

00:13:13.680 You bet.

00:13:14.020 You bet.

00:13:15.000 Uh, I want to, I want, let's start with first, just the, um, the NSA scandal that's going

00:13:22.120 on.

00:13:23.020 Uh, how comfortable are you that we're going to find out what's really going on that

00:13:28.720 the watchdog, uh, for the intelligence agencies are, are going to be fair and independent?

00:13:35.840 Well, I don't think it's a scandal.

00:13:37.300 I mean, it's totally, you should have the expectation when you live in America, if you

00:13:40.560 criticize the regime, then they read your email.

00:13:43.600 I mean, I, I learned, so I thought that was illegal and un-American and an assault on

00:13:50.040 civil liberties.

00:13:50.620 But I learned from the daily beast that actually, if you complain about it, then you hate America.

00:13:55.140 Uh, so, okay.

00:13:56.720 All right.

00:13:57.200 Shut up and accept it.

00:13:58.600 You have no privacy.

00:14:00.480 The war on terror has been turned against American citizens, but you deserve it because 1.00

00:14:03.860 you're a white supremacist. 0.73

00:14:04.380 Correct.

00:14:04.780 That's what I've been told.

00:14:05.860 Correct.

00:14:06.200 It is, it's, it's, it's pretty phenomenal what is going on in America, especially with

00:14:12.000 the, with the, uh, uh, with the intelligence agency.

00:14:16.340 I mean, you now have not only Americans being spied on, you're being spied on, but you also

00:14:21.900 have the Capitol police becoming an intelligence agency, the post office.

00:14:28.220 Oh, it's so distressing.

00:14:29.920 I mean, I, I moved to Washington when I was 15.

00:14:32.920 My dad worked for the federal government.

00:14:34.420 He worked with the CIA.

00:14:35.480 I applied to work at the CIA when I graduated college in operations.

00:14:40.480 I thought it was a totally honorable thing.

00:14:42.480 We understood, and you know, you're, we're the same age about, so you remember, we understood

00:14:47.420 the U S government and our Intel agencies and our military and our federal law enforcement

00:14:51.960 designed to protect us and honorable.

00:14:54.840 Exactly.

00:14:55.260 Right.

00:14:55.680 If you, you know, the idea that your son would grow up to be an FBI agent, you're thinking,

00:14:59.000 wow, you know, I would be really proud of him.

00:15:01.460 I wanted to work there.

00:15:02.760 I mean, that tells you how I felt about it.

00:15:04.440 And the difference, look, you can't turn the awesome law enforcement and Intel gathering

00:15:10.260 powers of the federal government against American citizens on a wholesale basis.

00:15:14.840 Like that's the nightmare scenario.

00:15:16.600 We have a lot of laws in place designed to prevent it.

00:15:19.760 And now it's happening.

00:15:21.440 And it's just bewildering to me that like, no one says anything about it.

00:15:24.840 Like, this is totally cool.

00:15:25.980 This is the way it works.

00:15:26.820 No, it's not cool.

00:15:27.660 It's not the way it works.

00:15:28.880 If you care about democracy, you're opposed to this with everything that you have.

00:15:33.760 If they can do this, what they did to Donald Trump and they can do this to you, what makes

00:15:38.140 the average American think they won't turn it on them easily?

00:15:41.580 Cause you'll have no chance.

00:15:43.200 That's exactly right.

00:15:45.780 And I, I'm, I'm concluding things and saying things out loud that I, I just three years

00:15:51.060 ago, I never would have imagined I would say or think I, you know, I would have thought,

00:15:55.780 Oh, that's paranoid.

00:15:56.520 That's crazy.

00:15:57.260 I think I'm the least paranoid, you know, sunniest, most optimistic, naive person.

00:16:02.980 And I know, I mean, I never assume bad motives on the part of any American, you know, I don't

00:16:08.320 want to anyway, but, um, yeah, I think if you're paying attention, you're deeply concerned

00:16:13.940 about where we're going and that's not a partisan point.

00:16:17.220 You know, if you care about basic civil liberties, like the right to disagree, the right to speak

00:16:22.800 your mind, the right to follow your own conscience, the right to raise your family, you know, roughly

00:16:27.140 the way you want to nothing crazy.

00:16:28.700 This is not ideological stuff.

00:16:30.320 Let me, let me, wait, wait, wait, wait, let me come back to that for a second on that.

00:16:35.020 That's not an ideological point.

00:16:36.500 And just to ask you one last question on this, do you know who unmasked you?

00:16:42.720 I don't know.

00:16:44.180 Um, I, I was in Washington for a funeral.

00:16:47.740 I, I moved out of Washington after 35 years.

00:16:50.260 I didn't have much choice.

00:16:51.200 So I did.

00:16:51.880 And I was back and I ran into a very old, very close friend of mine who said, who, who

00:16:57.180 said, let's get together.

00:16:58.060 I've got to talk to you about something.

00:16:58.860 Who said in person, you know, you are planning this trip to Russia.

00:17:03.580 And I said, why haven't told anybody that?

00:17:05.640 So I don't know how you'd know because, and then this person told me that the NSA had been

00:17:11.540 reading my electronic communications, my texts and emails and had unmasked me and was going

00:17:17.760 to spread this to news organizations to suggest that I was somehow a disloyal American.

00:17:21.600 And it just, it's, it actually scared me.

00:17:24.780 I'm not normally rattled by stuff, but that's so over the top that I immediately called like

00:17:29.820 the only person in politics I would ever talk to is a U S Senator who's wise.

00:17:33.720 And I said, this, this kind of, this kind of scares me, honestly, what should I do?

00:17:38.960 And he said, you've got to go public with it.

00:17:40.660 Cause you don't have any other defense.

00:17:42.180 What is, you don't have actual power.

00:17:44.360 You're just the only power you have is to talk, which is true.

00:17:47.560 And you need to do that right away as you know, prophylactically as a self-defense

00:17:51.560 move.

00:17:52.040 Yep.

00:17:52.620 And so I did.

00:17:53.400 And I felt like kind of a lunatic.

00:17:54.580 You don't want to go on TV.

00:17:56.040 I mean, would you want to go on the air and say they're spying on me?

00:17:58.580 No, you sound like a nutcase, but I didn't feel like I had a choice.

00:18:02.360 Um, all right.

00:18:03.280 So let me, let me go back to where you just said, this is not a partisan issue because

00:18:07.420 I think it is.

00:18:08.220 And I think your book is, is, um, kind of evidence, uh, of that you, you, you talk about

00:18:15.420 the 30 years in American journalism, the long slide, and you yourself say you couldn't

00:18:21.640 do the things you couldn't report, uh, the things, um, today that you were doing back

00:18:27.580 then.

00:18:27.820 You couldn't, um, uh, the, the system is no longer what it was when we thought at least

00:18:35.180 we all agreed with each other and we were all seeking the same, same outcome.

00:18:39.320 I don't think there, I don't think all Americans even agree on your right to privacy and your

00:18:47.040 right of freedom of speech anymore.

00:18:48.980 Well, you're absolutely right.

00:18:51.840 And it's kind of, I mean, I'm sure you have this experience every day.

00:18:54.600 Things are changing so quickly.

00:18:55.760 You wake up in a brand new country, but it's hard to get perspective on how profound the

00:19:00.100 change is because there are so few mile markers, you know, you don't, it just seems like, oh,

00:19:03.840 I guess it's always been this way.

00:19:04.860 Going back and reading 30 years of journalism, mostly magazine journalism, um, was just kind

00:19:11.020 of a shock.

00:19:11.500 I mean, a lot of the pieces in the book I wrote for the New York times.

00:19:14.040 Can you imagine Esquire magazine?

00:19:16.960 I wrote for the Washington post.

00:19:18.300 I, you know, I wrote for GQ.

00:19:20.440 There's no chance I would ever, I wrote for the new Republic.

00:19:24.500 I know.

00:19:24.820 I also had a lot of friends over the, I mean, a lot of friends, not just a few, like a lot

00:19:29.260 who were Democrats.

00:19:30.780 I went hunting with them.

00:19:32.080 I went on trips with them.

00:19:33.780 I, I hunted with them all my life.

00:19:36.040 Um, and now that's impossible.

00:19:40.040 I mean, they wouldn't have me.

00:19:41.120 I, I'm actually, I've never been very partisan.

00:19:43.380 I'm not super impressed by the Republican party.

00:19:45.220 That's for sure.

00:19:46.360 I don't like the democratic party, but I don't hate people because of their voter ID, you know,

00:19:51.320 because of who they vote for.

00:19:52.420 I just, that's not my temperament.

00:19:53.800 And so reading this, you really, I really got the sense that boy, you know, it's a completely

00:19:59.600 different world.

00:20:00.400 We are polarized to the point where you, you wonder how we reach agreement on, on anything.

00:20:06.100 And to your point, you know, what do we agree on?

00:20:09.360 You know, what do we have in common?

00:20:10.440 This is a, has always been a multiracial country with no state religion. 0.85

00:20:16.720 You know, we've always been in some sense, a diverse country and that's great.

00:20:21.980 I like that, but you have to have something that unites you, something that we all agree

00:20:26.760 on.

00:20:26.940 Like, why are we all living on this continent together, sharing a common federal government?

00:20:30.780 If we don't agree on anything.

00:20:31.820 So what do we agree on?

00:20:32.980 What is the American creed that unites us?

00:20:34.840 And increasingly, it's hard to answer that question.

00:20:36.660 It used to be the bill of rights.

00:20:38.920 Yes.

00:20:39.320 It used to be the bill of rights.

00:20:40.840 And I, I contend you could get a, a, maybe a majority, a slim majority to disagree with

00:20:50.280 maybe eight of the first 10 in the bill of rights.

00:20:54.300 Do you have nothing left if you don't have the bill of rights?

00:21:00.480 Well, I mean, that's exactly right.

00:21:03.760 It's at this point, if you can't agree on that, I mean, let's just be totally blunt.

00:21:10.300 Countries don't hang together because they hang together naturally.

00:21:14.420 There's a, you know, there's a centrifugal force as a physics principle, and this is

00:21:18.380 a huge country and it's diverse on every level, not just ethnically, but geographically.

00:21:23.920 People, you know, the country won't hang together unless we work intentionally and ceaselessly

00:21:30.520 to, to create a reason for it to hang together.

00:21:33.460 And it can't just be forced.

00:21:34.540 It can't just be, you know, we control the Pentagon, obey that.

00:21:37.540 That's not enough.

00:21:38.400 You need consent of the governed.

00:21:40.500 And they have, the majority needs to agree that we're in this together for a reason because

00:21:44.260 we shared this in common.

00:21:45.680 And if you set out to destroy those bonds, if you set out to increase tribalism, which

00:21:52.180 is what they're doing, no, your first loyalties to your ethnic group.

00:21:55.480 Are you joking?

00:21:56.480 You're a Hutu, you're a Tutsi. 1.00

00:21:57.880 Like, how do you think that ends?

00:21:59.320 It's so insane.

00:22:01.240 And so I just think we need a national movement starting like this afternoon to figure out

00:22:07.520 what it is we have in common and to emphasize that, because otherwise, I mean, it's just

00:22:12.200 very clear where this is going to go.

00:22:14.720 What, um, when you look at other countries, I mean, for a long time, we were, you know,

00:22:20.600 we got to be more like Europe.

00:22:21.840 We got to be, I, in some ways, I'd love to be like some of the countries in Europe.

00:22:25.940 Some of the, some of the countries in Europe are, are preaching against us.

00:22:31.420 They're like, don't follow America. 0.56

00:22:33.700 Whatever's come, whatever poison is coming out of there.

00:22:36.080 Don't do it.

00:22:36.820 Um, and I've heard you talk about Hungary and the way, the way that the government is

00:22:44.480 now in Hungary, they are more free than we are.

00:22:49.940 Well, that's, I, I mean, it's just funny to be in your fifties cause you, you dimly remember

00:22:55.520 a life before this and you're what you just said, it just makes me laugh because I was

00:23:00.280 in Europe last week.

00:23:01.260 And I thought that the whole time we mocked Europe.

00:23:03.860 I mean, constantly mocked Europe and, and how sad is it?

00:23:08.480 I take no joy in noting what's true, which is when, in, if you're in Budapest and you

00:23:14.040 disagree with the, with the ruling party, you know, you don't need armed bodyguards.

00:23:18.940 You're not going to be silenced.

00:23:20.260 The majority of media in Hungary are opposed to the ruling party.

00:23:25.640 The ruling party may lose in the coming elections.

00:23:27.820 And that's, you know, that's how things work in a representative democracy.

00:23:32.600 You know, like you, you have peaceful transfers of power and people are allowed to say what

00:23:37.640 they think and store windows aren't smashed because they disagree with the COVID policy

00:23:42.160 or the black lives matter or the trans policy.

00:23:44.160 It's like, it's all right.

00:23:45.980 How is that not freer?

00:23:47.080 It is freer.

00:23:47.900 It is freer.

00:23:49.040 And that just, that just crushes me.

00:23:51.280 I know.

00:23:51.860 Me too.

00:23:53.040 Um, let me ask you because, uh, I finished my, the last book I did, uh, I've been with

00:23:59.520 Simon and Schuster for 20 years and I want nothing to do with John Karp, uh, the CEO.

00:24:06.180 Uh, they started firing conservatives at Simon and Schuster, uh, started closing things down

00:24:12.340 and, uh, it, it, it made no sense to me.

00:24:16.260 You have this publisher, Simon and Schuster is your publisher for this book.

00:24:21.040 And that's right.

00:24:22.200 You go after them, uh, in the book.

00:24:25.840 I mean, that takes balls. 1.00

00:24:27.000 Yeah.

00:24:27.240 I mean, they, and I told them I was going to, I mean, there's something, well, they published

00:24:31.000 it.

00:24:31.260 So they know, they know what's in it.

00:24:33.020 And in fact, I, I dedicated it to John Karp effectively.

00:24:37.200 Um, so, you know, they know, but what, look, it's really simple.

00:24:42.580 They're one of the most powerful book publishers in the world.

00:24:46.560 They should not be abetting censorship.

00:24:48.780 The whole point of publishing and of journalism is to keep open this free exchange of ideas.

00:24:53.140 You don't agree with at least half of them, but it's important for people to be able to

00:24:56.360 voice them.

00:24:56.760 In fact, it's essential.

00:24:57.480 You can't have a democracy without that.

00:24:59.020 So you can't be for censorship.

00:25:01.320 And they are.

00:25:02.300 And I, I was shocked when they canceled Josh Hawley's book because they didn't like his

00:25:06.800 vote.

00:25:07.340 You may not like his vote.

00:25:08.240 Okay.

00:25:08.400 That's, that's all right.

00:25:09.180 But Josh Hawley has a right to air his views.

00:25:12.340 They canceled his book.

00:25:13.440 They issued a press release calling him a terrorist.

00:25:16.060 And I watched this with my jaw open, knowing that I had a book due to them.

00:25:18.960 So I called John Karp and I said, what is this?

00:25:21.400 And I said, I feel a moral obligation to report this out because I'm getting paid by

00:25:25.220 Simon and Schuster.

00:25:26.020 I'm participating in this.

00:25:27.660 I'm benefiting from your censorship and I feel bad about that.

00:25:31.100 So I'm going to write about it.

00:25:32.440 And if you don't want to publish the book, you don't have to.

00:25:34.020 And I think he, they really felt trapped because they knew that they canceled my book.

00:25:38.080 I was going to go after them, which I certainly would.

00:25:40.700 So it was just those, one of these weird circumstances where I got to report out censorship in real

00:25:48.220 time.

00:25:48.640 And I thought that I should, I felt it was my duty to do that.

00:25:51.740 Well, good for you.

00:25:53.760 I'm no longer with Simon and Schuster.

00:25:55.840 My contract expired and I couldn't be happier.

00:25:59.480 Although my next book is, my next book is coming out self-published.

00:26:04.320 And I don't know anybody of my size that has ever tried that before.

00:26:08.380 So we'll see how it works out.

00:26:10.060 When is that?

00:26:10.740 I mean, I, I would love to talk to you about that because that seems like the future.

00:26:14.180 I mean, why are we putting all, you know, our ideas into the hands of censors?

00:26:19.620 I mean, why are we participating in the system?

00:26:22.000 It is the system.

00:26:23.180 I mean, it's the same, I'm in the same place I was in, you know, 10 years ago when I started

00:26:27.440 the blaze TV where it, it didn't make any sense.

00:26:31.700 The, all the tools aren't really there.

00:26:33.880 Nobody's actually breaking the, the molds on this, but it has to be done because I'm not

00:26:39.980 going to, I'm not going to sit and be held hostage by a, a corrupt system.

00:26:46.360 Ridiculous.

00:26:46.840 I look back and I realized how stupid I, when you started blaze TV, I was like, well, you

00:26:51.800 know, you were like the biggest guy in cable news.

00:26:53.980 Why don't you just, you know, just stay in cable news?

00:26:56.800 Why, you know, why make the effort to do this?

00:26:58.940 And I'm just so grateful that you did.

00:27:01.340 I really, really am.

00:27:02.760 And I'm grateful just as an, I'm not, I'm not saying this by the way, as flattery.

00:27:06.420 I mean it totally sincerely.

00:27:08.040 The fact that you're self-publishing, that you built your own thing, those turned out

00:27:12.680 to be incredibly prescient and important decisions because the current system is unsustainable.

00:27:18.760 It just, we don't have freedom of the press.

00:27:21.560 We have to build our own.

00:27:22.740 And so thank you for doing that.

00:27:24.000 Yeah.

00:27:24.260 Well, I, but as you know, cause I, I write to you from time to time just to thank you for

00:27:29.660 your monologues and your bravery.

00:27:31.100 Uh, thank you for standing up.

00:27:32.940 I've been in your position.

00:27:34.680 I know what it's like.

00:27:36.040 I know what it's like for your wife and your children.

00:27:38.540 And, uh, I, I truly pray for you and, uh, admire your courage, Tucker.

00:27:44.500 Thank you.

00:27:45.140 Well, I appreciate that.

00:27:46.140 Thank you.

00:27:46.760 You bet.

00:27:47.340 Uh, the name of the, uh, the name of the book, uh, that you can get, it's out today.

00:27:51.640 The long slide 30 years in American journalism with Tucker Carlson, by the way, Tucker is going

00:27:58.180 to be doing a podcast with me in the next couple of weeks.

00:28:01.420 So we'll have a good hour or so to be able to, uh, further our conversation.

00:28:10.380 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:28:22.540 Oh man, we have Michael calling in from California.

00:28:26.840 Uh, Michael, welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

00:28:29.860 How are you?

00:28:31.580 Yes.

00:28:32.000 Hi.

00:28:32.220 How are you?

00:28:32.880 Very good.

00:28:33.500 You, you came from where?

00:28:36.040 I actually came from Poland.

00:28:37.980 And you moved to California.

00:28:40.100 You should experience freedom.

00:28:42.580 I'm just right now today in California.

00:28:44.640 Oh, okay.

00:28:45.320 Good, good, good.

00:28:45.900 I live in the Midwest.

00:28:46.720 Okay.

00:28:47.160 All right.

00:28:47.440 I was, I was very smoky here.

00:28:50.860 Um, so you moved from Poland and why did you move away and come to America?

00:28:56.840 So my family experienced quite a hell during World War II.

00:29:00.440 So my grandfather was a POW who was murdered by the, uh, Soviet NKVDA.

00:29:06.780 Wow.

00:29:07.560 Precursor of the KGB. 0.51

00:29:09.060 So he was only 31 years old.

00:29:10.500 And so the rest of the family was either deported to Kazakhstan and Siberia.

00:29:17.000 The other, uh, the other grandfather was with the, uh, British Eighth Army.

00:29:21.940 There was a Polish unit there.

00:29:24.000 So he was stationed in Iraq, then Egypt and Italy.

00:29:29.660 After the war, um, most of these soldiers were actually prosecuted.

00:29:34.440 Well, he was staying in England until 1958, fearing for his life.

00:29:41.060 And so, uh, the family somehow lived in the communist Poland.

00:29:44.700 And so I was growing up in that place and I couldn't believe you could live in a cage

00:29:50.080 as a human being.

00:29:51.380 Yeah.

00:29:52.220 So, uh, I immigrated.

00:29:54.180 I was 20 years old.

00:29:55.420 I basically took a tourist trip and, and just fled and ended up in West Berlin, applied for

00:30:02.200 immigration visa and, uh, to the United States, uh, came as a refugee.

00:30:07.020 And when I landed, I had like $300 in my pocket and a country that was really, really free.

00:30:19.340 It was a huge difference.

00:30:21.240 And, you know, I'm calling the first time ever I would ever call a station because what

00:30:28.280 is happening in the United States today, it's scary.

00:30:31.260 I find it terrifying, but only people like you generally agree with me.

00:30:39.920 I was stopped in the mall the other day by a woman from, I think, Poland.

00:30:43.700 And she said, we came here for freedom.

00:30:46.180 And, and what's wrong with you people?

00:30:48.680 It's, it's, it's all falling apart.

00:30:50.520 You're, you're going, you're, you're doing what we escaped from.

00:30:56.680 I don't know what freedom is until you lose it.

00:30:59.680 Yeah.

00:30:59.940 So you had $300 and where are you now?

00:31:07.540 I'm in Midwest.

00:31:09.140 So in, uh, uh, just in Indiana, but I, uh, when I came, I actually was working three

00:31:14.800 jobs all part-time and going full-time to college on the East coast, a very prominent

00:31:20.840 school.

00:31:22.080 Uh, so I was the poorest kid on in that school with, you know, friends driving, uh, you

00:31:28.180 know, Porsche and Mercedes, and I was driving a beat up Chevy, but hell, I, excuse me for

00:31:34.220 the H-E-R-R. 0.99

00:31:35.380 And then, uh, and then went to graduate school.

00:31:41.800 Then I ended up working for big multinationals worldwide in the United States, overseas in

00:31:48.040 Japan, in Asia, in Europe, all over Russia and all the territories.

00:31:52.980 So, you know, I was very, very successful after being basically arriving with one suitcase with

00:31:59.740 one pair of shoes to America.

00:32:01.260 Michael, thank you very much for calling in.

00:32:04.700 God bless you.

00:32:05.340 Let me go to Blanca. 0.99

00:32:06.820 I think in Illinois, uh, Blanca, welcome.

00:32:12.940 Blanca, are you there?

00:32:15.660 Okay.

00:32:16.100 Uh, let's go to Puala in Pennsylvania.

00:32:20.680 Am I saying it right?

00:32:22.740 Paula.

00:32:23.340 Paula.

00:32:23.740 Okay.

00:32:24.240 Hi, Paula.

00:32:24.920 Yes.

00:32:25.280 Hi, Glenn.

00:32:26.200 How are you?

00:32:27.760 I'm good.

00:32:28.620 I'm just a little bit nervous.

00:32:29.840 Um, I'm not a big, I don't talk a lot.

00:32:31.780 Yeah, no, that's all right.

00:32:33.380 Just me and millions of others.

00:32:35.740 Go ahead.

00:32:36.740 Yeah.

00:32:37.200 Yeah.

00:32:37.360 That's not fair at all.

00:32:39.440 I came from Dominican Republic, um, as a child in the early nineties, I was seven years

00:32:44.400 old when I came here.

00:32:45.860 Um, my dad actually came seven years before when my mom was pregnant of me and it took

00:32:52.940 seven years for him to bring his whole family over.

00:32:55.860 So we were separate, which made it damaged their marriage, but it basically, um, my mom

00:33:02.720 wasn't going to leave us in Dominican Republic while she was here. 0.97

00:33:04.920 So we waited seven years.

00:33:06.960 Wow.

00:33:07.680 Um, and my dad was a cab driver in New York city.

00:33:10.580 Um, he'd worked 16 hour days and finally made enough money to put my mom into college.

00:33:17.240 She was a doctor or a dentist already in my country.

00:33:20.820 Um, couldn't find a job, didn't have anything to show for it.

00:33:24.400 She came here, was accepted into NYU and she graduated.

00:33:28.660 And actually the first year that she worked as a dentist was the first year we ever had

00:33:33.340 a Christmas.

00:33:34.220 We actually had toys.

00:33:36.160 It was amazing.

00:33:37.180 My brother and I always remember that because we had nothing and I always watched my parents

00:33:43.260 pretty much bust in their hump working for us.

00:33:47.300 And, um, what a, what a great, what a great story.

00:33:52.440 Seriously.

00:33:53.000 You are really blessed to have that memory, uh, of your family and of your life.

00:34:00.180 I mean, I, I have, I have kids, um, that are older in their thirties and they remember when

00:34:07.420 dad was broke and, uh, we really had nothing.

00:34:12.140 My younger kids, they were born, you know, around the, the height of my success and they

00:34:18.460 don't have that.

00:34:19.240 And there is something to having, uh, the memory of nothing.

00:34:24.520 It, it, it, it, it wakes you up.

00:34:27.140 Um, Paula, thank you.

00:34:28.640 Take nothing for granted.

00:34:29.580 Yep.

00:34:30.080 Thank you so much.

00:34:31.360 Um, all right, let me go to, uh, is Blanca there now? 0.88

00:34:35.760 Hello, Blanca.

00:34:37.020 Yes, I am.

00:34:38.240 Hi, man.

00:34:38.860 Thank you for taking my call.

00:34:40.460 You bet.

00:34:41.020 And, uh, first, first of all, I want to thank God for his grace.

00:34:46.580 And I was, because I was born in Columbia, South America, up in the mountains where we

00:34:52.600 had no, uh, running water, no electricity, nothing, not even a radio to listen to the news.

00:34:59.160 And I came to this country at the age of 18 years old with $10 in my pocket, no English.

00:35:06.480 Um, I taught myself English.

00:35:08.640 Um, I work as a, um, a nanny and I learned English.

00:35:14.620 I took my GED and then, um, I went to the university and I was, by the grace of God, I was able to

00:35:22.140 get, uh, uh, a job selling insurance.

00:35:24.980 So I started from zero clients and I, uh, run the office with grace and, and loving my clients

00:35:35.460 and loving God.

00:35:36.400 And, um, and I was able to bring this company to be worth millions of dollars.

00:35:43.640 Um, and, um,

00:35:45.800 Do you run it?

00:35:46.620 Do you run it now?

00:35:48.640 No, I sold it.

00:35:50.040 I sold it.

00:35:50.880 Uh, I retired at the age of 59 years old.

00:35:53.840 Oh my gosh.

00:35:54.620 And, uh, and I retired and now I've been retired for nine years.

00:35:58.700 So Blanca, what do you, what do you say to people who are saying, you know, I'm so oppressed

00:36:04.020 by a statue that I can't function or that, uh, America is such a racist place.

00:36:10.480 You can never make it unless you vote for these people in Washington.

00:36:15.360 Glenn, it breaks my heart.

00:36:17.920 And I cry, literally cry when I hear this, because this is a land of opportunities.

00:36:25.820 This is where you can come and be something.

00:36:29.580 I don't say it's easy because I was working 14 hours a day when I started my company.

00:36:36.300 And, um, if you work hard and you believe in yourself and you don't give up, you, the

00:36:44.920 sky is the limit.

00:36:45.960 And I, I, I thank God because, um, without him, you are nothing.

00:36:52.660 But if you trust in God and you work hard, because God is not going to put it right at

00:36:57.700 your doorstep, but he gives you, uh, a mind, hands in, in, in an opportunity that nowhere

00:37:05.160 in the world, there's no other country in the world, like this country where you can be

00:37:11.220 free.

00:37:11.900 I would have never, ever been able to succeed in any other country because I came with $10

00:37:19.280 in my pocket and I was able to succeed because I believe that there is an opportunity for

00:37:28.600 everyone, for everyone who wants to work hard and not depend on the government.

00:37:34.180 Government is not the answer.

00:37:36.820 Government gets in the way of people getting to be successful in this country.

00:37:42.020 And I am so fearful these days for our country, because, um, this is my country and I would

00:37:49.260 die for my country if I had to these days, because there is, it's, it's freedom, but it

00:37:56.900 seems like we are being attacked.

00:37:59.300 Our freedoms are being attacked.

00:38:01.280 Well, I will tell you, uh, Blanca, I am, uh, more and more, I believe that if somehow or

00:38:09.280 another, we could get all of the immigrants together and they could become a pack and 0.94

00:38:14.860 they could run commercials and they could make their voices and their stories heard that

00:38:20.940 things would change.

00:38:22.040 We're, we're only hearing bad stories of, you know, immigrants. 0.99

00:38:27.100 We're only hearing, uh, Oh, they're living in poverty and everything else.

00:38:30.500 No, no, wait, wait.

00:38:32.100 There are a lot of immigrants to this country because every single person that is here,

00:38:38.540 unless you're native American.

00:38:40.040 And then I'd argue the land bridge, uh, is from someplace else.

00:38:46.100 You're from someplace else. 0.81

00:38:49.100 So how could we be a nation of immigrants that hates immigrants and doesn't provide

00:38:54.000 opportunities?

00:38:54.920 No, no, no, no.

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