00:01:14.080We have to restore the belief in America that this is worth saving, that it's unique, that it's different, that it's special, that it's worth saving.
00:01:29.780And then the other thing we have to do is restore our story and our education on what our country, how it's actually built, why was it built?
00:01:38.640And we do that through our summer of education at Torch250.com.
00:01:42.940We talk a little bit about that on today's show.
00:01:44.820And finally, a plot against the UFC fight at the White House.
00:08:12.360And then when you decide that there's something real here,
00:08:14.780then I think I wanted to give my family what I didn't have as a kid,
00:08:18.180which is a real formation, like an actual church community.
00:08:21.620And I kind of, you know, experimented with different churches
00:08:24.420and went to a number of different places
00:08:26.280and eventually, you know, found a home and a church that we love.
00:08:29.800And that's kind of where we are today.
00:08:32.060you your story is just absolutely you're one of the most fascinating guys i think alive today
00:08:39.000your story is just fascinating um you talk in the book about peter teal um and you wrote peter gave
00:08:47.480voice to something i'd been feeling but not fully understood i was obsessed with achievement per se
00:08:52.300not accomplishing something meaningful but to win a social competition um i think that's what you
00:08:59.400just addressed people will say your relationship with Peter Thiel is all about high tech some
00:09:06.220uncharitably will say that you know he funded your campaign and so you're going to usher in a
00:09:12.120new you know high tech oligarchy but it seems that your relationship is more spiritual
00:09:17.660is that was that accurate reading in this yeah so so one of the things that happened so Peter
00:09:25.820was a friend of mine before, you know, we sort of ever were talking about politics. But one of the
00:09:31.220things, and by the way, Peter's a very unorthodox Christian. Like, I want to be fair on that
00:09:35.600account. You know, he has very like unconventional views about a whole host of things. Sometimes I
00:09:40.340disagree with him. Sometimes I agree with him. But what Peter sort of almost gave me permission
00:09:45.700is that I was in law school. I was calling myself an atheist at the time. And, you know,
00:09:50.800he came and gave a talk and he talked more about spirituality and religion than he did about
00:09:54.980business or politics. And I sort of realized, like, whether you agree or disagree with this guy,
00:10:00.720his Christianity is much more interesting than the atheism of the people that I see surrounding me.
00:10:05.420Like, there's something there that I'd kind of dismissed as a kid. And that started me down,
00:10:11.400again, this way of sort of re-exploring and rediscovering my own faith. But, you know,
00:10:16.380definitely, you know, seeing this guy who was smarter than anybody I had met, who was obviously
00:10:21.600very wealthy, very successful, sort of realizing that this idea that I had in my head that
00:10:28.320Christianity was for superstitious people and atheism was for smart people. And that was the
00:10:35.360categorization that I had made falsely. And there were a lot of people, Peter was one of them,
00:10:41.020but there were a lot of people who slowly over time revealed that to be fundamentally an arrogance
00:10:46.120that was deeply corrosive to my own soul you you are in a religion and a political party i think
00:10:55.660that is hard to square at times um because of the pope you and marco you know you have things you
00:11:03.420have to do as the president of the or vice president of the united states um your foreign
00:11:07.880policy objectives in iran the pope is against uh the you know what you have to do on immigration
00:11:15.480You view it one way. He views it another way. Even now, I mean, the press is even saying, you know, the fraud task force initiative is, you know, an attempt, again, just to target Somalis. How do you thread that needle with a pope, a guy who seems to not appreciate what you believe politically, and yet he's your spiritual leader?
00:11:43.400Well, I'd say a couple things. First of all, I think this is true of sort of all Christianity,
00:11:47.980is you have certain people who are going to disagree politically with what me or the president
00:11:53.580or Secretary Rubio or anybody else does, and they're going to try to say you're not being
00:11:57.840Christian enough. And one interesting thing is that often those criticisms are made by people
00:12:02.640who say, I don't believe in Jesus, but you're not being Christian enough, which I always roll my
00:12:06.760eyes at a little bit. Now, obviously, that's not true of the Pope. The Pope is explicitly the
00:12:10.480leader of the Catholic Church. I'll say two things about the Pope, Glenn. So the first is that
00:12:14.880oftentimes I find that when the media reports on him as an antagonist of Donald Trump or as somebody
00:12:22.060who just rejects wholesale everything that Donald Trump says, and then I'll read what he actually
00:12:26.500says, and I realize the Pope does sometimes have disagreements, but he's actually much more nuanced
00:12:31.940and much more subtle than what the media gives him credit for. They want to play up the conflict,
00:12:36.400But even on the immigration issue, yes, he's criticized some of the policy directions that we've taken, but he's also said it's right for a nation to have borders, that newcomers have a duty to integrate into their host cultures.
00:12:48.760Like, those are things I very much agree with. The media doesn't talk about that because it's driving the narrative of conflict.
00:12:54.400But I actually think the Pope's thinking on how to apply, you know, Christian teaching to the world today is much more complicated than the left-right media spectacle drives home.
00:13:06.400You know, when I saw the cover of the book a few weeks ago, I just looked at it quickly. I thought it was communism. I was like, oh, he's going to write a book on communism. And it's communion is the name of the book, not communism. At a time when the vice president, you know, should be talking about communism, et cetera, et cetera. That's the obvious thought. Why is it important that you wrote a book on communion?
00:13:31.960well because one i i obviously had a very complicated but i think in some ways a very
00:13:40.740common way to finding my own faith where i was raised christian fell away from it and came back
00:13:45.760to it i mean now i think a lot and i think a lot of christian parents are asking themselves the
00:13:50.720question why is it that we or how maybe they've raised a kid who's fallen away from the faith
00:13:56.240or maybe they're raising children in the faith and they're sort of thinking about why why didn't
00:14:00.260that stick? Or how do I make it stick so that they don't have the same journey that I did?
00:14:05.180I think there are a lot of people, especially in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination,
00:14:09.700who are thinking about spirituality, who are going back to church. We see a lot of young
00:14:14.700people in particular who are returning to church, but maybe like me, they didn't have the proper
00:14:18.820formation. And so I felt that this was something important that I wanted to say. It's obviously
00:14:23.780not a very political book. It's not a conventional politician's book. It's not like I have the
00:14:27.980eight-point policy proposal in the final chapter to solve all the problems. But I just thought it
00:14:33.060was something that was valuable and meaningful to say. I've been writing this book for 10 years,
00:14:37.300and I kind of had this moment of, well, I'm either going to publish it now, or I'm never
00:14:42.160going to publish this thing. So I might as well just get it out there, say what I need to say.
00:14:46.200And obviously, you know, people are going to take from it what they will. But the one thing I'd ask,
00:14:50.240Glenn, is that if you find it meaningful, great. But I think that there are so many different
00:14:55.200pathways to Christ. And I think, you know, for some people, it's the Pentecostal church that
00:15:00.540my dad called home. For some people, it's the Southern Baptist church that a lot of my friends
00:15:04.180call home. I think what's really cool and dynamic about American Christianity is that we're sort of
00:15:09.520forced to reckon with a lot of very complicated issues because our faith is constantly being
00:15:14.920challenged, both by non-Christians, but also I think importantly by our fellow Christians who
00:15:19.680are asking very important questions about the meaning and nature of God. That's what I love
00:15:23.900about the American church, and that's one of the things that I hope to contribute to in some small
00:15:27.920way. So I have to ask you a couple of questions on Iraq, or I'm sorry, on Iran. Sure. We are
00:15:35.860supposedly, we have now apparently electronically signed a peace deal. We don't know what is in it
00:15:42.080yet. You've come out and said some of the things are wrong that are being said. How do you negotiate
00:15:48.260with an apocalyptic end times twelver regime?
00:15:54.040And what makes you confident that we can,
00:15:56.380as the president has said on the outset,
00:16:25.800I don't trust the commitments that they have committed to stop funding terrorism and to
00:16:29.860stop, you know, building or buying a nuclear weapon.
00:16:32.960Those commitments are there, but I trust people's actions.
00:16:36.300And so the way that we set up that deal, given the president's directives, is if they perform
00:16:40.760the things that they say they're going to perform, then they get a lot of relief.
00:16:43.900And if they don't perform any of those things, then they get nothing. And for the United States, either way, Glenn, we're in a great position. They don't get one cent of American money, regardless of how this deal takes place. They don't get any sanctions relief unless they perform. But we got the Straits of Hormuz open. Oil is now down below $80 today.
00:17:02.760Today, we have their military still destroyed, their defense industrial base still destroyed, their nuclear program still destroyed.
00:17:10.980And now the president's saying, you know what, if you want to behave like a normal country, we're going to treat you like a normal country.
00:17:15.580And if not, the United States still has all the cards and there's no skin off our back for entering into this into this negotiation.
00:17:22.640And no support for proxies, end of the missile program and no nukes for sure.
00:17:28.140Correct, Glenn. And if they don't do that, then they don't get any of the benefits of the bargain.
00:17:31.440And that's really the whole point here is I keep on sort of hearing people say, well, the Iranians get this or the Iranians get that, and they miss out the part where the Iranians get some sanctions relief, you know, the ability to sell their oil, for example, if they do what they promised they would do.
00:17:46.600That's the fundamental point of this deal is we reward good behavior.
00:17:52.920We don't do anything if the Iranians don't meet their end of the bargain.
00:17:55.880So I like your stance on, you know, you're a very big skeptic on military interventionalism, as I am. We have to learn our lessons from the 20th century. As a Christian, however, it is hard to watch a regime slaughter its own people who are just, to use an American term, yearning to breathe free.
00:18:15.920we hoped that we would be able to have you know a free people in iran by the end of this it doesn't
00:18:22.260look like that is part of the plan at all can that be done without military interventional
00:18:29.420without regime change which i don't want you don't want trump doesn't want well i think what
00:18:35.480the president has said is when we've given the iranian people an opportunity here their military
00:18:39.240is substantially weaker it's effectively gone their conventional military is effectively gone
00:18:44.920if the Iranian people want to rise up and make, you know, their own country or make their own
00:18:50.280political future, then obviously the president of the United States would be happy to deal with
00:18:55.040whatever new government they produce. But we're not going to force that on anybody. I think this
00:18:59.280is what is fundamentally different from Trump's foreign policy compared to, you know, Barack
00:19:03.920Obama's or George W. Bush's is we will empower people on the ground who yearn to breathe free,
00:19:10.100but we're not going to force them to elect their own government. What we're going to do is pursue
00:19:18.320our best interests. And what did the United States want out of this? We wanted an Iran
00:19:22.420that didn't have a nuclear weapon. We wanted an Iran that had a conventional military that
00:19:27.400was not able to threaten its allies in the region. And that's what we got. And so the
00:19:31.600president is saying, we accomplished what we wanted to accomplish. We accomplished what we
00:19:35.880needed to. I think it's actually a great virtue and wisdom of the president's foreign policy
00:19:41.620that he's not now saying, you know what, now we're going to go do something else that's not
00:19:45.880related to our core national security objectives. He's saying, we got what we came for. Let's
00:19:50.060negotiate with these guys to see if they're willing to change their behavior. And if not,
00:19:53.600we still got what we came for fundamentally. I appreciate all the hard work that you do.
00:19:59.380I know how tired you are. That guy never sleeps. So thank you for all of the hard work that you
00:20:05.860You guys have, you have all done your next interview.
00:20:08.540I think you're going right from this to the view.
00:20:10.520And I don't know why you're, and I know you talk about it in the book,
00:30:34.980The story here that's just broken earlier today, an alleged plot targeting this weekend's UFC Freedom 250 event in Washington, D.C., was disrupted by the FBI and saw its law enforcement partners spring into action.
00:41:17.600And that mindset is what changed everything in America.
00:41:20.480We began listening to the elite class,
00:41:22.780the experts over common sense and the common man.
00:41:24.960And you won't believe how this was played.
00:41:27.100I mean, you've got to listen to that Control Freaks podcast because in it, I tell you a story about how all these experts went into places like GM and said, well, here's how many widgets you should make.
00:41:43.580The elite class, the modern scientific class, they gave us the rise of eugenics and everything else.
00:41:49.620And this is one of the parts of history that, you know, schools fly past at about 90 miles an hour because it's ugly.
00:41:55.460But that's the kind of stuff that happened in America that we should be talking about.
00:41:58.480Not only slavery, but the American elites, the politicians, the professors, the journalists, the academics that supported the idea that government should improve humanity by controlling who could reproduce and who couldn't.