The Glenn Beck Program - June 02, 2026


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00:00:30.000 so today i actually had to say bernie sanders is right i mean not not really not really i mean
00:00:38.480 he's kind of right he's about a quarter of he's 25 right on something uh and i could identify
00:00:45.740 what it is and i do he just proposed some ai madness madness um about the government taking
00:00:54.160 over 50% of all of the AI companies.
00:00:57.160 It's madness.
00:00:58.360 But he's right on one thing.
00:01:01.500 You did build this.
00:01:04.180 So how do we solve what's coming?
00:01:06.940 Really fascinating conversation.
00:01:10.520 Also more on Platner and the race in California.
00:01:16.540 There's just so much we have to get to today.
00:01:18.740 This is the best of.
00:01:19.840 You want to hear the whole thing?
00:01:20.740 Just go to glenbeck.com slash torch or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:01:24.700 Let's look for the full three-hour podcast.
00:01:26.760 But this is the best of Tuesday.
00:01:39.280 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:01:44.080 All right.
00:01:44.840 I want to talk to you about one word.
00:01:46.400 And this one word describes almost every argument we are actually having in America.
00:01:53.820 And you'll understand how that works out here in just a minute.
00:01:58.380 But let me give you that one word that is the actual argument for everything.
00:02:02.700 The one word is mine.
00:02:05.560 Let me explain.
00:02:07.940 This has not hit your kitchen table yet, but it will.
00:02:13.160 Please hear me.
00:02:14.420 This will.
00:02:14.980 And if you don't deal with it now, you will be in panic and the Bernie Sanders of the world are going to give you something that is dressed up in the prettiest language you've ever heard.
00:02:27.280 You want to date that pretty thing like nobody's business.
00:02:31.480 It's all about artificial intelligence and it's about your data.
00:02:36.360 And underneath all of it is one question.
00:02:39.480 Who owns the future?
00:02:42.660 In the next couple of days, I want to talk to you about energy and these data centers.
00:02:47.460 But I want to talk to you first about what Bernie Sanders said.
00:02:50.940 Now, Bernie Sanders, and I'll give him credit where credit is due.
00:02:54.040 The guy doesn't have a problem.
00:02:55.480 You know, he took his honeymoon over in the former Soviet Union when it was still the scary Soviet Union. 0.93
00:03:02.520 So, I mean, he doesn't have a problem telling you exactly who he is. 0.96
00:03:06.680 And he just told us his plan, and he's calling it the American Sovereign Wealth Fund Act.
00:03:12.720 Wow, like a Patriot Act?
00:03:15.200 Now, I happen to speak, you know, political bullcrap, so let me translate what that actually means.
00:03:23.300 The government, he's proposing, will take a one-time 50% cut of the biggest AI companies in America.
00:03:31.540 Open AI, Anthropic, all of them, okay?
00:03:34.620 And here's the really clever part.
00:03:38.360 He doesn't want it paid in cash.
00:03:40.180 He wants it paid in stock.
00:03:43.200 He wants Washington to own half the company.
00:03:47.480 I warn you, this is going to come from the progressive Republicans as well.
00:03:52.520 We have to say no to this every time.
00:03:56.500 Now, he's pairing this with what he calls a robot tax built on a report out of his own Senate committee
00:04:02.380 warning that AI could wipe out nearly 100 million American jobs in the next 10 years,
00:04:07.940 and that's going to happen. So he wants to fix this in a very generous way because, quote,
00:04:13.760 technology belongs to everyone. Wealth belongs to everyone. The future belongs to everyone.
00:04:20.920 Wow. Sounds like just a hug from Bernie Sanders. Until you ask the one question that nobody really
00:04:27.460 ever wants you to ask. Bernie, when you say everyone, who is everyone?
00:04:36.140 Now watch, because this is where socialists always have a sleight of hand trick. Every time a
00:04:42.920 politician says everyone, watch their hands. Because everyone always turns into a committee
00:04:51.240 or a board or a fund, a handful of people in a building in Washington making decisions for
00:04:57.920 350 million people who will never know their names. It's the collective. It's the masses. It's
00:05:06.100 the people. And history is stacked with people who claim to speak for the people right until
00:05:16.520 the moment they were deciding everything for each of us and then executing those who didn't go along
00:05:22.460 with the plan. Now, I'm not going to say that that's Bernie Sanders. I'm not going to call him
00:05:26.820 a fascist. I think, you know, calling everybody a fascist or labels is pretty lazy unless they
00:05:31.700 deserve it. Honestly, half the people who throw fascist around couldn't define it if you spotted
00:05:36.840 them the first three letters. So I want to be precise on what fascism is because precision
00:05:42.940 is a strong weapon. The danger here is never goose-stepping soldiers, okay? That's a cartoon.
00:05:50.900 The real danger is always much quieter, it's structural, and it shows up in every system
00:05:57.820 that has ever gone wrong. It's when people who create value get separated from the value they
00:06:05.140 create. Now, there's lots of ways to define fascism, and most people want to make fascism
00:06:11.720 just about nationalism and anti-Semitism.
00:06:15.140 But that doesn't help on anything.
00:06:17.860 What is that?
00:06:19.480 Fascism is an actual economic system 0.57
00:06:22.160 and one the progressives loved until Hitler. 0.79
00:06:26.560 Communism is a system where the state
00:06:28.920 owns the mean of production.
00:06:30.700 So they own all of the factories and everything else.
00:06:33.140 It doesn't work.
00:06:34.420 Fascism also doesn't work,
00:06:36.300 but it works better than communism.
00:06:37.840 And that's where the state partners with corporations
00:06:41.220 and owners. That's it. That's the whole disease in one sentence. When it is socialism or fascism
00:06:50.820 or communism, the rule is the same. The state becomes the owner or a part owner and the referee
00:07:00.340 and the player all at once. And when that happens, you don't get a fairer game. You get a rigged game.
00:07:08.080 it doesn't matter what flag is flying over or what label you want to give it it doesn't matter
00:07:14.240 what it's called in the textbook bernie sanders calls himself a democratic socialist fine i'll
00:07:20.040 take him at his word okay but the mechanism he's describing washington holding the stock
00:07:26.380 washington steering the harvest that's the dangerous part you need to watch not the label
00:07:32.000 the machine that he wants to build. Okay, so it kills me to say this, but this is something I
00:07:39.160 have been saying for 15 years and people haven't heard me because the problem seemed like sci-fi
00:07:44.200 machines and robots taking everybody's job and nobody paid attention and AI still is pretty much
00:07:49.340 just some, you know, thing that you just put a question in and it answers it for you. I told you
00:07:54.880 several years ago, we have to talk about AI, the job situation and UBI. I've said this several times
00:08:01.160 that we need to discuss the alternatives
00:08:02.980 because UBI is not the answer.
00:08:05.440 But when we get to this point,
00:08:07.280 everybody is going to say,
00:08:09.240 oh, we got to do something.
00:08:10.660 And guys like Bernie Sanders will step up
00:08:12.580 and he'll be half right.
00:08:16.120 Hear me out.
00:08:17.560 Bernie Sanders is half right.
00:08:23.220 He said you helped build this thing.
00:08:26.340 It's true.
00:08:27.420 You did for 20 years.
00:08:29.120 You fed it.
00:08:29.740 Every search, every email, every photo, every review you ever wrote at midnight, every click, billions of people poured the single largest collection of human experience ever assembled into these systems.
00:08:43.940 And then a handful of these companies that knew exactly what they were building in the 1990s turned it into some of the most valuable assets in the history of the world.
00:08:52.440 So when somebody stands up and says, hey, the American people had a hand in creating this, they're not wrong.
00:08:58.420 and that question of hey wait a minute you built this on the back of us what do we get
00:09:04.920 that's an honest question but the answer is where people fall off a cliff
00:09:11.800 because Bernie Sanders answer and other people on both sides of the aisle Mike mark my words
00:09:19.540 their answer will be take it tax it nationalize at least half of it let Washington hold the keys
00:09:28.260 And my answer, the American answer, is a word that is older than the republic itself.
00:09:41.000 Property.
00:09:43.220 Property.
00:09:44.440 The reason why you can't take it from them is because of private property.
00:09:49.900 But wait a minute.
00:09:51.700 What about your property?
00:09:53.180 I want you to think about how this works in every other aspect of your life.
00:09:58.720 In every other corner of your life, somebody strikes oil on your property, under your house,
00:10:06.840 okay, Texans know this, what happens?
00:10:10.980 Well, Washington doesn't seize the oil company.
00:10:14.100 If you're smart, when you bought your house in Texas, you retained the mineral rights.
00:10:19.900 And so if somebody finds oil underneath your land, you get a check.
00:10:25.360 Somebody records your song.
00:10:27.980 Washington doesn't nationalize the record label.
00:10:30.680 You own the song, so you get the royalty.
00:10:33.480 Somebody builds on your patent.
00:10:35.780 Washington doesn't confiscate the factory.
00:10:38.360 You own the patent.
00:10:39.760 You own the invention.
00:10:41.580 So I have one question.
00:10:43.560 Why is it your data, which is the most valuable thing you own,
00:10:49.900 that that is the one thing that is the most personal to you,
00:10:57.180 but yet you don't own it.
00:10:59.800 For some reason, property, that intellectual property doesn't apply here.
00:11:06.840 I want you to know this is not some fever dream I cooked up on a chalkboard.
00:11:10.300 Serious people have been chewing on this for years.
00:11:13.900 People in Silicon Valley, Tea Partier guys, I can't remember his name.
00:11:19.900 Jason something or other, but he's been arguing that your data has dignity and a price. Andrew
00:11:26.360 Yang was on this program 10, 12 years ago saying your data should be your property. And I agree
00:11:31.180 with him. This idea crosses every line that we usually fight across. Okay. So how do we come to
00:11:42.620 an answer, the difference is what you do with it. Because America is standing at a massive fork
00:11:52.960 in the road. And if you are a true conservative, you need to get ahead of this. So I'm going to
00:12:01.420 give you two paths, Bernie Sanders' path and my path. And I'm going to show you the difference
00:12:06.680 and why Bernie Sanders is dangerous on this
00:12:11.400 and why we have to discuss this
00:12:15.200 and how we can solve an awful lot of our problems
00:12:19.940 by keeping our principles.
00:12:23.600 Okay, so we're at this fork of the road.
00:12:26.280 Now, let me give you two paths.
00:12:27.740 First, Bernie Sanders.
00:12:29.520 Washington takes stock in all of these companies
00:12:33.460 and then Washington runs a fund.
00:12:36.680 And then Washington decides who benefits and when, and you get to hope that you're on the list.
00:12:42.120 And the citizen becomes the client, and the state becomes the parent.
00:12:46.080 And you, you just keep getting smaller.
00:12:50.900 Path two.
00:12:53.120 Path two, you own your slice.
00:12:56.280 Now, maybe you take it as a dividend, a check.
00:12:58.600 Maybe you take it every year.
00:12:59.740 No agency, no strings, no form to fill out in triplicate.
00:13:03.520 Or maybe you don't spend a dime of it.
00:13:05.480 Maybe you pool it voluntarily with your family or your church or your community and you let it compound, okay?
00:13:12.700 You let it grow.
00:13:13.440 You let the markets do the boring, beautiful thing they always do, turn a little capital into a lot of it over time.
00:13:20.020 So what's the difference between these two stories?
00:13:25.560 Notice what nobody did in that second story.
00:13:29.680 Nobody forced you.
00:13:31.860 Nobody drafted you into somebody else's vision of the country.
00:13:35.480 And that is the entire ballgame.
00:13:38.300 The collective says, we'll decide for you.
00:13:41.680 But freedom says, no, you decide.
00:13:46.920 The collective says, the government owns the future and part of it.
00:13:51.320 And freedom says, no, you own the future.
00:13:55.860 The collective says, trust us.
00:13:57.980 Freedom says, trust yourself.
00:14:02.080 Turning your data into a property right is going to be hard.
00:14:05.480 Nobody has fully cracked this code.
00:14:08.700 They don't know how to do it yet.
00:14:10.320 Lawyers are going to get rich either way.
00:14:11.980 But hard has never been an excuse to hand the harvest over to Washington
00:14:16.580 and then have them call it generosity.
00:14:20.640 The founders understood something that we keep forgetting here.
00:14:24.700 The job of government is not to manage your life.
00:14:30.000 It's to protect your right to go and create.
00:14:35.480 You get that thing right. You protect property. You protect the person and free people to build
00:14:43.220 themselves and everything changes. And that's not a theory. That's the idea that built the
00:14:50.660 most prosperous nation that has ever existed on the planet. And we can do it again.
00:14:56.340 So as you start to see jobs being lost, you hear about these giant companies making billions and
00:15:03.920 billions and trillions of dollars and it's it is based on your back your personal property
00:15:12.180 i mean do you have access to all of the information they have on you they can predict you better than
00:15:19.160 you can they know what they're going you're going to do before you know what you're going to do and
00:15:24.560 they can shape you i want my personal property back if they want access to it they can buy it
00:15:32.600 from me. But remember, none of this will come down to a fund or a tax or a 50-page bill that
00:15:42.700 nobody will even read. It comes down to that one word, the first word that every two-year-old
00:15:49.480 learns, the word that built this country and scares every central planner like Bernie Sanders
00:15:56.400 who has ever lived and that word is mine the government is saying that's mine on your behalf
00:16:03.620 I say government get the hell out of the way that is mine and I don't give you the right
00:16:11.980 to take anything that is mine and then hold it for me no Bernie Sanders is this is a dangerous idea
00:16:24.460 that changes us fundamentally, property rights.
00:16:29.380 Get property rights correct on this
00:16:32.260 and we will solve a ton of problems.
00:16:36.120 And you know what?
00:16:36.840 Jason and I were talking before the show
00:16:38.520 and I said, they have all of our data
00:16:42.600 and they are, I mean, look this up.
00:16:45.900 Jason, you should do a Glenn AI.
00:16:48.480 I think I've done enough shows on it
00:16:49.940 to where I could pull this,
00:16:51.340 where I've talked about the death of free will.
00:16:54.280 You don't know if you had the idea or they gave you the idea
00:16:57.980 because they know you so well.
00:16:59.460 They have all your data points.
00:17:04.340 So who's controlling whom?
00:17:07.140 Which, by the way, leads me to a little bit of history here.
00:17:13.060 This is a letter from the White House signed by Lyndon Baines Johnson
00:17:17.840 to the governor of California, Edmund Brown, in 1964,
00:17:24.500 where Brown was saying, hey, we need some investment here
00:17:27.840 because we need to do some high-tech stuff.
00:17:31.340 This is the letter that, this is the beginning of Silicon Valley.
00:17:36.920 And he's talking about, yes, we've got existing federal programs.
00:17:41.820 We're going to be doing some things in California, blah, blah, blah.
00:17:44.980 This is the beginning of Silicon Valley.
00:17:48.200 The United States government and the CIA in particular funded a lot of Silicon Valley.
00:17:56.160 So again, you do own it.
00:17:58.820 Your tax dollars funded a lot of Silicon Valley.
00:18:02.940 Then we gave them all the information, which is strangely exactly what the CIA has wanted
00:18:09.420 the American people to do and give them forever.
00:18:13.820 Can we stop giving the government more of our stuff?
00:18:16.520 Can we start looking at our intellectual property, who we are, all of our data, as mine?
00:18:25.300 It's my property, period.
00:18:29.080 Pay me for it.
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00:20:02.920 A few things you just have to remember.
00:20:06.380 Life becomes so easy.
00:20:07.740 Let me give you an example here. Yesterday, Sonny Hostin from The View said something that jumped out to me today as I was preparing the show because it demonstrates a very clear principle.
00:20:23.300 She started to attack Graham Plattner, the guy who was the Nazi tattoo, whatever.
00:20:31.120 That guy, she began to attack him.
00:20:35.400 And it's not what she said on the attack.
00:20:37.500 It's what she actually ended up confessing.
00:20:41.200 Listen.
00:20:42.100 I am conflicted.
00:20:43.620 They asked Cory Booker how he felt about this because I think all the allegations are true. 1.00
00:20:47.840 The sexting with other women while married is definitely true
00:20:50.520 because his wife is the person that gave the messages 0.73
00:20:53.820 to his campaign to give them a heads up.
00:20:56.300 So the fact now that he's saying that that part is not true.
00:20:57.900 I don't think she gave messages.
00:20:58.920 I think she said that he had, that he,
00:21:01.340 she told campaign rights.
00:21:04.320 But we haven't seen messages.
00:21:05.500 But she disclosed it.
00:21:06.820 So why would she lie about that?
00:21:09.680 So that part is true. 0.99
00:21:10.880 He's also made racist remarks against African Americans. 0.99
00:21:14.940 So he's a cheater. 1.00
00:21:16.680 He's an anti-Semite 0.98
00:21:18.400 because the fact that he had that tattoo
00:21:20.160 for 20 years and didn't know what it was is a lie. 1.00
00:21:24.520 So he's a liar, a racist, an anti-Semite. 1.00
00:21:27.780 Homophobe. 1.00
00:21:28.220 He's a homophobe.
00:21:29.520 So he's all the things, and character does matter.
00:21:32.780 But we have someone that has almost unbridled power
00:21:38.680 in the White House at this point.
00:21:40.700 There are no checks and balances,
00:21:43.300 and the only way that we can maybe bring a bit of our democracy back
00:21:48.000 is by having a Congress that functions
00:21:50.340 and that has these checks and balances.
00:21:52.600 And I do think one of the only ways
00:21:54.300 is to win that seat in Maine.
00:21:56.420 And so I, like Cory Booker said,
00:21:59.100 this is a concern,
00:22:00.540 but our country is in grave, grave parallel.
00:22:03.200 There are other paths.
00:22:05.860 Okay.
00:22:07.140 I want you to write something down.
00:22:09.160 And I just want you to post this in front of you.
00:22:12.200 Okay.
00:22:12.400 everything before you say but is what you actually believe everything after is what 0.99
00:22:24.360 you're willing to trade it for okay let me show you he's a liar he's a racist he's an anti-semite 0.99
00:22:31.000 he's a homophobe he's all of those things and then to her credit she uses the right words 1.00
00:22:36.460 character does matter. But then the most dangerous word in American politics or human existence,
00:22:43.440 but. We need the seat. We need the checks and balances. And in Maine, this is how we get power
00:22:49.340 back. So let me say it again. Everything you say before but, everything she just said before is
00:22:56.680 what she actually believes. Everything after the but is what she's willing to trade it for.
00:23:02.560 okay and everything after a but is where republics go to die i believe in freedom of speech but hate
00:23:11.440 speech so we have to i believe in freedom of speech but covid we have to silence okay here's
00:23:21.360 the formula um what you actually believe then introduce a but introduce a big big problem
00:23:29.980 and then show how you're going to sell out all your beliefs, okay?
00:23:34.260 I believe in the free market system,
00:23:36.220 but I had to violate the free market to save the free market.
00:23:38.760 That doesn't make any sense.
00:23:40.040 I believe in the Constitution, but times are so tough,
00:23:42.840 we have to do some other things.
00:23:43.900 No, no. 1.00
00:23:46.000 Stop with buts.
00:23:47.520 What is it you believe? 0.67
00:23:50.800 Okay.
00:23:53.340 Sit with what she actually told you.
00:23:55.160 She didn't say, I'm not sure about his record.
00:23:58.360 she said he is by her own account one of the worst human beings she described couldn't describe a 0.98
00:24:04.320 liar a racist a bigot cruel anti-semite and in the very same breath she says i'm gonna we need 0.99
00:24:13.660 to hand him power think about how insane that is you don't lock the doors at night and then hand 0.99
00:24:19.020 the keys to the man you just described as the reason you lock your doors at night if you truly
00:24:24.740 believe someone is all those things then there is exactly one honest conclusion keep him as far
00:24:32.720 away from power as humanly possible the only way to get to but the only way is if power has quietly
00:24:43.280 become more important than your principles that if power actually is not what you believe or power
00:24:50.260 is not what you believe in, or is what you believe in,
00:24:53.440 and not the things you said before the bond.
00:24:57.100 Because that makes more sense.
00:24:59.580 Look, we need power.
00:25:01.600 We need power.
00:25:03.540 And he's all of these things.
00:25:06.420 So we will elect him.
00:25:10.680 That's what she actually said.
00:25:13.720 And, you know, most people don't even notice this.
00:25:17.380 Let me make this really, really simple here.
00:25:20.260 you and your wife need a babysitter. And you call me up and you say, listen,
00:25:26.440 this guy lies about everything. He's a bigot. He's cruel. His character is a disaster. 0.99
00:25:33.340 I don't even know. I mean, he could be sketchy with kids.
00:25:38.680 What would you say? If I called you up and said that, what would you say to me?
00:25:42.640 Glenn, what the hell is wrong with you? Why would you let him anywhere near your kids?
00:25:46.580 And imagine I said, well, I agree with you.
00:25:48.960 He's all those things, but Tanya and I just really need a night out.
00:25:54.340 You would think I'm out of my mind because character is not a footnote on the resume.
00:26:02.080 With your children, character is the resume.
00:26:06.520 It's not the side issue.
00:26:07.900 It is the issue.
00:26:10.380 And it doesn't stop being the issue just because we traded the nursery for the capital.
00:26:15.900 i have diagnosed disease here in this chair for so long and tell you you know the things that we
00:26:27.320 should be standing up against i am trying really hard to show you the things we should stand up
00:26:32.960 and be for because i think if you want to save the republic this is what we need to do we need
00:26:40.960 to define, not what we're against. We got it. We need to articulate what we're for and fight for
00:26:48.320 those things. Otherwise, we're going to get stuck in the, yeah, yeah, yeah, all those things are
00:26:54.020 important, but I'm for leaders that I want to be proud to explain to my 10-year-old kid. 1.00
00:27:02.180 Not, yeah, he's a jerk, but he's our jerk. I want to be proud of them. Full stop. 0.99
00:27:07.080 that's gonna be hard gonna be really hard i'm for the boring virtues like telling the truth
00:27:17.920 when a lie would win keeping your word when breaking it would be easier
00:27:23.640 restraint when you have the power to show no restraint i'm for the kind of citizen who would
00:27:32.400 rather lose an election with a clear conscience than win one rather than launder their soul
00:27:38.620 here's what cynics never understand character was never the obstacle to the mission character
00:27:48.020 is the mission the whole point of self-government is to be the kind of people who can be trusted to
00:27:56.020 govern themselves so if we start saying i believe these things but i'm going to do this we'll never
00:28:02.160 be the people that can govern ourselves. We can't. You'll never get that back. The moment we decide
00:28:11.460 we can skip the part that has principles, if the stakes are high enough, then we've already lost
00:28:17.940 the only thing worth winning. I am not lecturing to the Democrats alone. We have a very long way
00:28:25.880 to go on this. But our founders understood this better than we do. John Adams said the
00:28:31.520 Constitution is made for a moral and religious people, wholly inadequate for a government of
00:28:38.780 any other. He wasn't saying everybody join a church. He was telling us something really,
00:28:46.040 really super useful. The machinery only works if the people running it have brakes on the inside.
00:28:54.320 i want you to think of our country
00:29:00.740 of the republic like a ship we have checks and balances right what is that checks and balances
00:29:11.660 are the rudder the checks and balances help steer okay but character is the anchor
00:29:19.840 and it holds you in place
00:29:23.120 when the storm wants to throw you on the rocks.
00:29:25.540 You lose the rudder and you'll drift.
00:29:28.520 You lose the anchor and you're a danger
00:29:31.520 to everybody on board.
00:29:35.760 She wants to fix the rudder by hiring a man
00:29:39.020 who swears, she swears, has no anchor.
00:29:44.220 You can't reform a system by handing it to somebody
00:29:47.020 that you've just described as the reason
00:29:49.300 the whole system has failed. But once you let but win, watch what happens. Because it never stops
00:29:56.920 at one trade. Never. Today it's ease awful, but we need the seat. Then truth becomes negotiable.
00:30:04.860 Justice becomes negotiable. The difference between an ally and a decent human being become
00:30:09.700 negotiable. You start out saying, we have to do this to save democracy, but you end up discovering
00:30:16.680 that you spent every democratic virtue you had
00:30:19.660 and the receipts still in your pocket.
00:30:22.900 And history has a long list of people
00:30:25.780 who said, but, but, but, but, but
00:30:27.460 with total sincerity, okay?
00:30:30.020 The French revolutionaries,
00:30:31.580 they insisted the cause was too pure
00:30:34.800 for the methods to matter.
00:30:38.000 Yeah, it doesn't matter.
00:30:39.060 This is a pure, we got to get rid of the king.
00:30:41.420 Look at what's happening.
00:30:42.840 What happened?
00:30:43.360 The guillotine, because they had a but.
00:30:46.680 lenin started the idea hired stalin because i believe in all of these things i believe in the
00:30:54.980 people but there's some bad people millions dead very respectable man in 1933 in germany
00:31:02.240 they figured we'll put a really dangerous nazi in as chancellor okay because he's going to be easy to
00:31:13.460 pull strings on okay we can craft him we can control him because we need to have this power
00:31:20.860 if we don't have this power the whole thing could fall apart okay so guess which one met the you
00:31:27.380 know mr hitler's bullet in the head the people who made that compromise yeah yeah yeah we know
00:31:33.640 about him but that's the whole point if you think the emergency is so big that just in this one case
00:31:42.740 Character can wait.
00:31:44.420 Character never waits.
00:31:45.780 It just leaves.
00:31:50.860 So here's a question I want you to ask yourself.
00:31:53.340 I want you to start listening to people who say what they believe and then the but and follow it with what they'll sell their beliefs for.
00:32:03.920 Okay?
00:32:04.800 And pay particular attention to you.
00:32:07.740 But the other question is the difference between a healthy republic and a sick republic.
00:32:14.700 A healthy republic says, is this person worthy of power?
00:32:20.900 A sick republic says, can this person get us power?
00:32:26.480 That's the entire ballgame in two sentences.
00:32:29.840 That's it.
00:32:31.800 The View asked the question,
00:32:34.060 they didn't even flinch and the audience cheered.
00:32:41.020 I'm asking you to be the kind of person
00:32:44.240 and to demand the kind of leaders
00:32:46.920 who can only ever bring themselves to ask the first one.
00:32:53.580 Be the anchor.
00:32:55.900 Hold the line on boring virtues.
00:32:58.160 When the world is screaming that this time,
00:33:01.420 this just this once,
00:33:02.420 that those virtues won't count throw out the declaration throw out the bill of rights
00:33:08.540 throw out you can't do that because the day you stop counting
00:33:14.080 the day you stop counting
00:33:18.660 and counting on those principles as an anchor is the day you'll find out that the rudder and the
00:33:28.720 anchor where the only thing really holding the ship together. And there is no butt big enough
00:33:34.540 to bring those back once they're lost.
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00:34:52.800 minutes bring out an old friend and indulge me this is a little inside baseball and some of it
00:35:01.080 is a little embarrassing quite honestly Vinnie Penn is a guy he's a Connecticut based radio
00:35:07.600 broadcaster he's an author he does a talk show in Connecticut on iHeartRadio also up in Boston
00:35:17.000 um he uh has worked with howard stern which i will get into if he decides to embarrass me
00:35:24.160 um but he has written from circus magazine to maxim cracked parent um you know vh1 best week
00:35:33.400 ever uh he's done a lot of he's done a lot of stuff um and i met him in the 90s and he was
00:35:40.220 just a miserable failure and uh and started to work with him and we became very good friends
00:35:49.460 for a very long time um and he called me and said glenn i'm i'm writing a book about you know
00:35:56.560 radio in the 90s when we were together blah blah blah and the name of it is the tale of two
00:36:02.320 talk shows uh talk show hosts tale of two talk show hosts and i thought wait a minute okay that's
00:36:08.980 cool but then as i read the book i realized no this isn't really about him this isn't about him
00:36:13.560 it's not too it's my split personality i think is how he would describe it vinnie welcome to the
00:36:21.220 program yeah that's excellent that's you know i've been struggling for weeks on my show on how
00:36:27.200 to describe it that's it the two talk show hosts are you because you were doing a talk show on a
00:36:34.820 top 40 station in the 90s and i had no idea you were but you were so i learned a lot doing one
00:36:44.060 either i don't think you do oh i did one either no i i did i knew i was breaking on the road i
00:36:49.920 knew where i was going to go um but but but vinnie you know i learned a few things and i
00:36:55.040 had forgotten just how clueless i used to be and probably still am um but i also didn't realize
00:37:01.980 how many people around me
00:37:03.460 were just stabbing me in the back
00:37:05.680 and just like my enemy.
00:37:07.700 I really didn't know that.
00:37:09.960 And I also didn't know that I was pretty,
00:37:12.220 because of my cluelessness,
00:37:13.500 I was pretty insensitive to a lot of people.
00:37:16.560 That's what I got from the book.
00:37:18.300 No, no.
00:37:19.040 Was that your takeaway?
00:37:20.520 No, not at all.
00:37:21.160 That was my takeaway.
00:37:21.860 I wouldn't say that second half is accurate at all.
00:37:25.740 You were overly sensitive, really,
00:37:28.840 which I would imagine everyone there can attest
00:37:31.980 as well you can be overly sensitive uh while at the same time you have the ability you know to
00:37:38.420 call it you know call it like it is um but as for those other people it took me a while to adjust to
00:37:44.960 the fact that and to even realize oh you're all kind of they would drag me into the into these
00:37:52.680 secret meetings and say you know you let glenn go on this morning for like 10 minutes about
00:37:59.160 being pro-life and i'm and i'm like i let him it's the glenn beck program i didn't let him
00:38:06.200 and they're like you got to grab the wheel and make a joke and i'd be like during his pro-life
00:38:11.520 segment on the on the show uh so it took me a few months to realize oh you're not really a fan of
00:38:18.380 what he's doing in there but i loved what you were doing in there and i never exacted that again
00:38:23.280 so you said one of my favorite lines in the book you said i was just fine doing what we were doing
00:38:30.300 because this was all new to you it was really old top 40 radio was really old and it was all new to
00:38:36.420 you and we had a blast doing things i just couldn't do it anymore and i knew exactly where i wanted to
00:38:42.100 go and you said this is a quote i was just fine doing what we were doing day in and day out for
00:38:46.860 the rest of my days this was more than enough for me but not for beck i'd soon learned nothing was
00:38:52.040 ever enough for Beck, such are the
00:38:54.140 markings of either a madman 0.99
00:38:55.720 or millionaires. 0.89
00:38:58.540 So which am I?
00:39:00.160 Because I will tell you what the staff said
00:39:02.120 after that. What? Both.
00:39:04.540 Both. Clearly both.
00:39:06.540 Why? I would imagine Ricky
00:39:08.160 would echo that sentiment.
00:39:10.340 Surely I can speak for Stu.
00:39:12.780 I'm not a madman.
00:39:15.180 I know exactly
00:39:16.280 what I'm doing. Mad
00:39:18.060 with genius.
00:39:19.720 And you know I think that.
00:39:22.040 Although I will say, and it's also in the book, when you began struggling with the genre, because you were talking about the ministry for a while.
00:39:33.840 And I'm like, I can't, you know, I kept trying to rein you in and like, do you realize how great we've got it?
00:39:38.440 Like, this is a fun game.
00:39:39.860 We have fun every day.
00:39:41.080 You had this new romance.
00:39:42.880 She would ultimately become your wife, this great chapter in your life, wonderful family.
00:39:47.480 And I couldn't get you to see how great we had it.
00:39:50.600 And you're like, you know, maybe it's talk radio that I need to be doing.
00:39:55.820 And I'm like, oh, yeah, because that's really cool.
00:39:59.240 And I believe, you know, and I believe, I honestly do believe that you're the reason there are Joe Rogans today.
00:40:09.940 There are a litany of Glenn Beck, I hesitate to say wannabes.
00:40:16.640 They're all doing it their own way.
00:40:17.920 But you revolutionized.
00:40:20.500 I believe you took talk radio to a next level.
00:40:23.900 I hesitate to say you made it cool because I don't think you've made anything cool ever in your life.
00:40:29.880 But if I would say you did.
00:40:32.820 And now there are all these guys who, you know, are making their own fortunes.
00:40:37.880 And you broke down a lot of a lot of doors because your talk show was unorthodox in the early 2000s.
00:40:44.440 I believe it still is.
00:40:45.440 it's still you still throw in humor you're still uh irreverent during monologues about very serious
00:40:54.640 stuff and i we were doing that in the late 90s too and i thought this is why i can't believe
00:40:59.060 this is what morning radio is when you left i found out no it isn't and you guys should have
00:41:04.180 never been doing what you were doing i had no idea i'll never forget one day we averaged about
00:41:11.900 three to four songs an hour and i loved the music glenn would come on and be like well that was a
00:41:18.620 really rocking tune from third eye blind you know he would just mock the artist i was loving them
00:41:26.380 when you left i'll never forget the program director took me a second he goes and now
00:41:30.520 vinnie will finally be able to play the um the amount of songs were supposed to be playing an
00:41:35.940 hour and i said we weren't isn't it supposed to be three to four and they said no it's 12 i had
00:41:42.820 no idea i had no idea that you were just making your own rules and doing a talk show that's the
00:41:52.180 only 40 station that's the way you're supposed to do it that's the way you're supposed to do it
00:41:57.040 you didn't you didn't play 12 you didn't you never ended up playing 12 songs did you 0.97
00:42:01.200 You have too fat of a mouth to do that.
00:42:04.180 I did struggle with that. 0.96
00:42:05.480 It got up.
00:42:06.400 You did, right?
00:42:07.140 The ante got upped.
00:42:09.080 But it is thanks to you that I'm able to do the long monologues that I do.
00:42:13.300 I learned a lot from you, Glenn.
00:42:15.220 Like, for instance, here's one thing that I learned from you.
00:42:18.140 When you get booked for 11.05, say, on a radio show, you're like, wow, I got to leave that hour open.
00:42:26.060 When that host then bumps you to 11.35, you realize, oh, my segment just, I just got caught in half.
00:42:35.860 You're never going to make it around the bend that is noon.
00:42:40.140 When Sarah emailed me yesterday, we're going to do 11.30.
00:42:43.680 Okay, I know Glenn, I've been caught in half.
00:42:47.240 Understood.
00:42:49.400 I learned radio from you.
00:42:51.540 I just had, we just had important things.
00:42:54.160 We just had important things.
00:42:55.300 and you know me i i get um i would be much more likely to promote a book that was really more
00:43:03.200 about you than about me i get uncomfortable in in you know these kinds of these kinds of things
00:43:09.680 and i will tell you vinnie i read the book i called you right after i read the book i thought
00:43:13.660 i would read a little bit of it i read the whole thing i gave it to tanya she said what are you
00:43:18.060 what are you reading and i said i i have not gotten up i started reading this book and i
00:43:22.380 i can't believe it's like a whole new story to me i wrote to you and i said i don't know how much
00:43:26.580 of this is true i can't verify um because you know in the book you talk about me being oblivio
00:43:31.720 um i was just focused on other things um but uh tanya did i i caught her in the day she spent the
00:43:39.800 whole day reading the book just laughing uh so much at all of it and uh and uh i really appreciated
00:43:48.060 the way you treated tanya uh in the book and and it's interesting glenn because it took me
00:43:55.700 writing the book to realize because one of something you would keep revisiting during
00:44:01.800 those three years is i don't know i lost something here i lost something here and i would keep saying
00:44:06.320 well then you'll find it here you'll find it here i didn't realize until writing the book well you
00:44:10.760 got divorced and you found your your wife your your second wife your true love here while i was
00:44:17.700 writing it i'm like oh that's the thing he lost and that's the thing he found it wasn't he found
00:44:22.400 talk radio here it's he found his true love here she was a key ingredient i think to so many things
00:44:29.200 there and i'm glad she enjoyed it there has to be something you remembered in that book though
00:44:34.000 there has to be something like i remember that part none of it none of it that i will admit to
00:44:38.500 I remember, I remember, uh, I, honestly, I remembered all of it.
00:44:43.280 I did not remember, uh, how clueless I was on some things, especially when it came to
00:44:50.120 people.
00:44:50.460 I didn't, but I was different then, you know?
00:44:53.560 Yeah.
00:44:54.220 Don't you think?
00:44:54.620 Yeah.
00:44:55.680 Uh, in some ways, like, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
00:44:59.300 Technology, like technology fascinated.
00:45:02.260 You were ahead of everybody on the tech front.
00:45:05.060 I'll never forget going into a meeting where they wanted to talk about our new commercial and you saying in the hallway, we don't want a commercial.
00:45:12.000 Back me up.
00:45:12.860 We want to get equipment in the studio so that people at home can watch us.
00:45:17.780 They could dial up on their desktops and watch us do a radio show at home.
00:45:23.560 And I said, all right, I'll back you up on that.
00:45:25.500 Management resisted but caved.
00:45:27.620 And really, that's 1997.
00:45:29.680 and you wanted people to see you doing the radio show now i think they're called podcasts and
00:45:37.160 they're like one of the biggest things in the world right now so i would love to actually do
00:45:42.340 that you absolutely in 1997 we thought that's how certain key players came into our fold
00:45:50.100 young guys who were really tech savvy you might recall bob calderella and people and i remember
00:45:57.000 thinking we're never going to be at an appearance where any of these wonderful women i'm meeting are
00:46:02.240 going to say i was watching the show this morning and being surprised the number wasn't great but
00:46:08.540 it was large enough that i thought geez he was right people will like dial up well you remember
00:46:14.240 wow i didn't watch it that's why glenn i would love to get your thoughts on ai because as i
00:46:22.860 struggle with it i'm thinking beck's probably got a really interesting view on ai you know i don't
00:46:28.360 want to come across as a luddite occasionally i've got to embrace all of this technology but i kick
00:46:34.020 and scream into much of it and you were always the opposite you look at it you eye it like a
00:46:39.420 newborn like how do i figure this thing out and how do i play with it so what is where are you at
00:46:44.840 on ai right now so i will tell you you should go back and listen to today's first hour because i
00:46:50.520 talk about the bernie sanders thing that he talked about with with ai um about how he wants you know
00:46:56.360 50 50 going to the government that's insanity however we did build it we i know but we did
00:47:03.780 we did build it that was built on on our information and there there are some discussions
00:47:08.760 especially with the the ai centers i'm going to do something on ai uh data centers uh tomorrow
00:47:15.160 because everybody has them, I think, has the approach wrong.
00:47:19.520 You have the problems correct.
00:47:21.680 You have the solutions wrong.
00:47:25.540 But AI is going to decide the world of tomorrow.
00:47:31.620 It will decide whether you are successful or not.
00:47:37.020 And whether a country, you know, if we are not leading the world,
00:47:40.240 we will all be speaking Chinese. 0.83
00:47:43.240 And that will happen. 0.97
00:47:45.160 And it will be a very, very different world.
00:47:48.880 How did you feel about the Pope Leo's comments on it?
00:47:53.740 Have you bought those yet, Glenn?
00:47:55.060 You have to watch that.
00:47:56.160 Yeah, no, I didn't pay much attention to them.
00:48:02.520 You know, I think he's right about some things.
00:48:08.380 I think he's not right about some things.
00:48:11.600 But AI is a very dangerous tool that we should all be really, really aware of.
00:48:18.960 If you have one thing you want people to walk away with on the book, what would it be?
00:48:28.320 Reinvention.
00:48:31.020 You can reinvent yourself once a decade.
00:48:34.800 And I don't mean with intention, but that it is possible.
00:48:40.760 it's never over. There's always another chapter. I didn't even realize at 29 years old that I was
00:48:46.560 in need of reinvention. I met this guy named Glenn Beck in a hallway who was in the throes of it and
00:48:52.540 he didn't realize he was in the midst of it. And I think you've reinvented. I think you're in the
00:48:56.620 midst of another reinvention right now. Reinvention is necessary. Evolution is necessary. It's never
00:49:03.780 too late for anyone. Vinny, I'd love to talk to you. We'll do something online as well. Vinny Penn,
00:49:10.580 the name of the book is a tale of two talk show hosts it is out now it is an unauthorized biography
00:49:17.160 of i don't think that's necessary it's not really necessary to describe it that way that
00:49:23.500 that seems a bit much but all right
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