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Glenn Beck and Stu Brodsky discuss the Lady Gaga fall at the Super Bowl, Hillary Clinton's conspiracy theories, and why Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset. Also, a Google whistleblower joins the show.
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Hey podcasters, it's a great show for you today. It's Monday. We go over all of the Russian assets
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that Hillary, what a conspiracy theorist Hillary Clinton is. We get into that. Also the conspiracy
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theory of taking guns away. We talk about Lady Gaga falling off the stage. I was there last week
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and saw it. Also I take you through one of my earliest predictions of how the world was going
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to head for a reset and it sounded crazy at the time. This is probably 2005 or 6 and it sounded
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nuts. But today you see it's exactly what's happening. Also we talk a little bit about
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Brexit. Who can figure that out? And a Google whistleblower joins us all on today's podcast.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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Well hello Stu. Mr. Beck. How are you? Very well. I'm very interested in your weekend.
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Were you? You're the one. No, I think there's a lot of people that are interested in your weekend.
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After seeing some of the footage, and we have to get to this, of you on stage at the Lady Gaga concert.
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That was not me. We have to get into that. That was not me. I was there. She had every bone in her
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body x-rayed right after that concert. Every bone in her body. She has fibromyalgia really bad. They
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ice her all the time just to get her out of pain. You would not know it. And especially after that
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fall. Holy cow. I don't know how she did it. It was a, you know, when you let land on your tailbone,
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just, you know, after just falling, just walking and you fall on your tailbone. She was, she was up.
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Somebody had grabbed her, lifted her up. They fell on their tailbone on the stage and bounced off and
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then fell another six feet onto concrete. It was, it was bad. It was a spectacular collapse. It did not
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approach the Philadelphia Eagles last night or spectacular collapse or Hillary Clinton. Yeah. In
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the Democratic Party. You know, there are things like that fall, uh, the Eagles losing or politics
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that make you wish you were sucked up in the tornado here in Dallas last night. Uh, but you
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weren't. We're here. We survived. We'll tell you about all of these things coming up. The Hillary
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Clinton thing. She's insane. You know, you want to talk about conspiracy theories. First of all,
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she's the one that started the Barack Obama, uh, conspiracy theory about the birth certificate.
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Yeah. Her campaign. It was her campaign. They outlined the strategy and campaign memos. She
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first was the first one to start the vast right wing conspiracy. This woman is a conspiracy
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nut job. Now she multiple decade record of conspiracy theorizing and never, and all just to cover up how
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many people they killed. I don't know if it's the most credible argument to make that point, but I like
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it. Yeah. Thank you. Uh, so, so, uh, the latest conspiracy now is that, that Tulsi Gabbard is a
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Russian spy. We have Hillary outlining this theory. Would you like to hear it? Yes. Here she is from
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this, some of some podcasts. I think it's David Plouffe's podcast. They're also going to do third
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party again. And I'm not making any predictions, but I think they've got their eye on somebody who's
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currently in the democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third party candidate.
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She's the favorite of the Russians. They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting
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her so far. And that's assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not because she's also
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a Russian asset. Yeah. She's a Russian asset. I mean, totally. And so they know they can't win
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without a third party candidate. And so I don't know who it's going to be, but I will guarantee
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you they'll have a vigorous third party challenge in the key States that they most needed.
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This is the most incredible conspiracy I have heard. Okay. First of all, let me just,
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let me just state this before we go into the actual conspiracy. Let me just say this.
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Who is the most likely benefactor of a third party candidate who people perceive as a moderate Democrat?
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A perceived moderate Democrat, uh, in today's climate, a perceived monetary, uh, moderate from
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the democratic party. I mean, it partially matters who the Democrats run, right? Let's say it's
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Elizabeth Warren. It's Elizabeth Warren and Tulsi Gabbard comes in as a third party who, who has more
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to lose. Well, I've seen more passion, honestly, for Tulsi Gabbard on the right than I have. Correct.
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Left. Correct. So if you want now, listen, I'm telling you right now, Elizabeth Warren is Woodrow
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Wilson. It's like, he just came back from the dead and like, Oh, somebody take off my top hat and put
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me on stage. It's she's Woodrow Wilson. And he was a guy who was nearly dead when he was in office.
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Yes, he is. Yes. Okay. So, um, how did he win? He was, uh, he was put into office because of a third
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party candidate and that third party candidate was a progressive going against the Republican.
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So he was the crazy radical. He was Elizabeth Warren. Teddy Roosevelt is Tulsi Gabbard.
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Teddy Roosevelt was known as, you know, a war hero, uh, you know, a, a tough guy, somebody who had
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common sense and some grit, but his policies were more radical in the, uh, in the, uh, uh, you know,
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in the run-up than Woodrow Wilson. Woodrow Wilson was not the radical in that race. He hit a lot of,
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of what he was trying to do, uh, behind, you know, rhetoric and correct and real lying as well.
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Correct. Yeah. Absolute out and outlying. You see this with Elizabeth Warren as well. There's
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certainly a parallel. So if you want Woodrow Wilson, you have to have a third party spoiler,
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one that will peel votes away from Donald Trump. Now diehard Donald Trump are not going to Tulsi Gabbard,
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but people who are just Democrats who are like, I just want some common sense, democratic
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candidates, please. I'm not for socialism. I want somebody who loves the country.
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That's Tulsi Gabbard in their mind. And if they voted for Donald Trump, what, what are they trying
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to do? You'll see this rhetoric. If you, if you read the, uh, press, you'll see this rhetoric.
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People are getting tired of having to defend Donald Trump. He's an agent of chaos. It's,
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this is, he's causing most of this chaos, not other people. Okay. And partially true. And so if you're
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somebody who was in the middle and you, you, you voted for Donald Trump, but you didn't really want
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to vote for Donald Trump and then you got into office and you're like, ah, I like some of his
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policies, but he's just, you know, tweeting at three o'clock in the morning. And that's just too much for
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me. I can't take all of this anymore. And someone who appears to love the country and appears to be
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common sense. They will peel it off. So the third party Hillary, if it's Tulsi Gabbard does not hurt,
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uh, the Democrat, it hurts the Republican. So I don't think this is a Russian plot as much as it
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would be a democratic plot. And I don't think it's a plot, right? She's just happens to be a candidate
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that disagrees on some of these things. And yes, you know, uh, that, that does make sense. I mean,
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look, the, the, the last election turned on people who wound up, you know, known as Obama,
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Trump voters, they voted for Obama and then switched to Trump in 2016. And those people are
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the types of people that Tulsi Gabbard would probably appeal to. Correct. Correct. So, you know,
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that does not mean that it would, first of all, we should point out, this is just a conspiracy
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theory from Hillary Clinton. She has no evidence to support this. Yeah, Tulsi Gabbard said she's
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not running. She's already ruled it out. Yeah. Uh, and so there's no reason to believe that this is
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happening, but if it were to happen, it wouldn't even be a good conspiracy theory. No. Uh, it's
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actually something that could endanger Donald Trump's reelection. Correct. We should also point out
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that we can't just brush over the fact that she outlaid another conspiracy theory in there,
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saying that Jill Stein is a Russian asset. What evidence do we have of that? Other than the
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fact that she, she ran as a green party candidate. There's the, but that's not, you know, and saying
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somebody is a Russian asset. Could we just talk about this here for a second? What is Russia? What
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is their goal? What is their goal? I mean, chaos. Yes. Yeah. They want to destroy the United States of
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America. They do not want us to be a leading superpower anymore. So they don't care. They
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just want chaos. They want distrust. They want hatred between people and between parties. We are,
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we're looking at, well, they're a Russian asset. Anyone who they can pit against one another,
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anyone that they can use, they will use. It doesn't mean that you're with Russia or you're working for
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Russia. Russia can work for anyone that will cause chaos, support them, support them. But it might be
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found out. Good. It'll cause even more chaos. That's all this is. Yeah. And Hillary is playing
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right into their hands. You know what? Hillary Clinton is a Russian asset. That's why she's doing
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it because Russia told her to do it. That's what happened. How crazy is that? I mean, it's an, it's,
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I will say she's getting the, the, the shine is gone from Hillary Clinton at this point, even among
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Democrats. And she is getting from the media. She's getting it from Democrats. I mean, she, this is not
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being received well. I'm telling you, she's so crazy that if, if Joe Biden collapses, she thinks she's
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going to go in and she'll take it. Really? I really believe she's, she has totally lost touch
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with reality. Look at what she's been saying lately. She doesn't have any idea what reality is
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anymore. She really believes that this was taken from her. She is convinced herself that this was a
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massive plot and that the people are screaming for her. After we had to sit through time after time
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after time in 2016, where they lectured us about how Donald Trump, if he loses, he's going to say
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it wasn't fair. And it's going to, this is an attack on our democracy. This is an attack. Now she's
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saying she lost because of Russian agents in the election. I mean, I guess we should have picked it up
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when she said vast right-wing conspiracy, but the woman is just a conspiracy theorist. And they just
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basically ran the Democrat Alex Jones in 2016. And I expected none of us to notice. Yeah. I mean, it
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really is amazing. Yeah. It's, it's, uh, it's incredible. So here, do we have the audio of Tulsi
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Gabbard coming out? This is really a great response. Listen to Tulsi Gabbard and what she said.
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I am not afraid to openly express my love for our country, but if they can falsely portray me as a
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traitor, then they can do it to anyone. And in fact, that's exactly the message that they want to
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get across to you. That if you stand up against Hillary and the party power brokers, if you stand
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up to the rich and powerful elite and the war machine, they will destroy you and discredit your
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message. But here is the truth. They will not intimidate us. They will not silence us. We are not here just
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to protest their corruption. I am running for president to take the democratic party and our
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country back from the corrupt elite. Tell me that doesn't resonate with a ton of Democrats.
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Now they all want to beat Donald Trump, but there is a, a, I think there's a lot of people that think
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if it's Elizabeth Warren, she's crazy. And if it's just between her and Donald Trump,
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I'd probably vote for Trump, but I won't tell anybody. But if I have somebody who's got the
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message of, I want my party back, et cetera, et cetera. And I'm not talking about the diehard
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diehards. I'm talking about the people who generally, who voted for Donald Trump last time,
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who are Democrat. There's a lot of them. There's a lot of those, a lot of those. And that's why
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Hillary lost because she lost those swing votes that usually vote Democrat. All right, big time
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advocate of privacy. And we talk about privacy a lot on this program. Wait until you hear the
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Hey, it's Glenn. And you're listening to the Glenn Beck program. If you like what you're hearing on
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this show, make sure you check out Pat Gray Unleashed. It's available wherever you download
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your favorite podcasts. All right. So I, I wasn't planning on talking to you about this today, but I,
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I, I, I was a little overwhelmed, um, a little earlier, uh, on what is, what's happening. And I,
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I, I asked Pat to stay in the studio here for a second. Um, and, and talk me out of this with,
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with you, Stu, let me just give you some of the, some of the headlines today. Uh, Hong Kong descends
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into chaos again as protesters defy the ban. NBA arenas prepare for protests. Hundreds of thousands
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take over the streets in Lebanon, new clashes in Chile. Uh, we are at war. The political risks
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grow in Latin America. Just giving you the headlines. Um, scientists fuse brains with AI
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implants to give people superhuman intelligence. Uh, let's see. Um, Mulvaney faced ouster threat
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before impeachment crisis. Allies craft list of potential replacements president in key stretch
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of fragile state insult comic act of president becomes dangerous. Second four years could be even
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crazier. Um, Democrats are cashing in on a struggle. Uh, I mean, it just goes on and on. Romney may vote
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to remove Trump alienated Republicans influenced by G seven reversal goes on and on and on bad. And it's
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global. Those don't include the economic headlines that are important. The economic headlines, the fed
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has gone back in again for a second round of this thing that no financial expert can even explain never
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happened before. We don't know why the banks are needing these bailouts. They've, they've been having
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bailouts in the hundreds of trillions of dollars and we're back at it again, printing money. Why no one
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knows? Okay. When I was back in radio city music hall, I talked about two things on a show. One,
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how the progressive elites, uh, they were actually the Fabian socialists in, in England, how they were
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all for and really plotted world war one. And the reason why they plotted it was because they wanted a new
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world order. They wanted to take down the old rule, change the borders, change the financial system
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and have a new world order. This is basically the first stab at a European union and a first stab at a
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United nations. Okay. So what did they do? Well, they had to have war to change this and to change
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currencies, you have to have a war. And it has to be so bad that in the end, everything changes and no one
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cares. They just want it to end. They want the pain and the suffering to end. And so they don't care really
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what the borders look like. They don't care that they've changed currencies or changed traditions. They want it to
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end. Well, we saw that with world war one. And we saw that the world was not the same. We became the
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leader where England was the leader. We sank, we insisted that the greatest Navy on earth sink her ships
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to play in this new world order. And that was England. We insisted that they leave their alliance
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with Japan and start one with us, which led to Pearl Harbor. All of the borders that they changed,
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they imposed them on Germany in such a painful way that they planted all the seeds for world war two.
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After world war two, they finally got their new world order in the United nations and the EU started
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to spring to life. Now that is collapsing. The economic stability that they built is collapsing.
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And they are eyeing now a borderless world. They want a borderless world. Because it's good for
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them with trade. If they don't have to worry about all these governments, it's good for trade. And if we
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could just have one world currency, if we could collapse all at the same time, maybe we don't owe money to
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each other. Maybe it can be so bad we can just restart. And everybody loses everything, but we're going to
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just restart. It sounds crazy. But I said, if you want to bring down the world, you have to bring down
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America and you have to bring her currency and her situation. You have to bring it into instability
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and bring it down to the level of everyone else. Then that fall can happen. And they all fall
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together. It sounded crazy. But let me ask you a couple of things. What you need is failing economies.
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And you need global crisis. Now they've been trying this with the global crisis to get a new economy. They've been
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trying to do it the green way. The green way is not working. Nobody's going to go there. Nobody's going to go there
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because it doesn't make any sense to spend that kind of money without real proof that anything is going to change, that
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it's going to help at all. So they've been trying to make green their new red. But instead, what we have is a
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group of countries that are not listening to the people. And so you have chaos now in Hong Kong, in China, in
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Taiwan, in Germany, in Venezuela, Argentina, Spain, Chile, Russia, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Brexit this week.
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Now, if everybody in the EU knew that Brexit was going to cause the problems that they say it's going
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to cause, you would think that the EU might blink at the last minute unless they know this isn't going
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to work and they're going to work and they need to start from scratch and cause chaos.
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You also have to have everybody printing and spending like drunken sailors. You have to jack everyone's debt up so high
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that when it falls, everybody falls. You have to devalue currency. This is the plan of World War I.
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This is happening right now. Now, the Constitution says to create a more perfect union, provide for common
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defense. And to promote domestic tranquility. So if I take an oath of office and I say I will protect and
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defend the Constitution of the United States and I will protect it from all. All threats, foreign and domestic, if someone
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is working against promotion of domestic tranquility, they are an enemy of the American people and they are an enemy of the
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Constitution. Now, that doesn't mean we don't have strife. That doesn't mean we don't have arguments.
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But it does mean, wait a minute, wait a minute, is what you're doing adding in a great way
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to a road that takes us to civil war. There was a study that came out three weeks ago, Stu, and the number,
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and it was done by the left. It was not done. It was, you know, an educational, you know, or it's a study
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done not by conservatives. And they wanted to find what are the two or what are the leading causes
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of civil war? What would trigger a civil war? Now, why would you do that? Why would you want to find
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that out? And see how people are going to be activated if something like this is going to happen.
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Right. What's what could possibly lead to that? So if you are in good intent, you can avoid those
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things, right? If you have bad intent, so you can do those things. So a major study is done. What are
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the things that could ignite a civil war? Number one is to create the atmosphere where people believe
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or you actually take the act to take away people's guns. Number one, cause a civil war
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in the United States, new survey, new poll. Second, impeach Donald Trump. Now, why is that?
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They believe impeaching Donald Trump is a, as a fuse to civil war because we're so close to an election.
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Why would you impeach him when the people should decide? Let the people decide. It's all out there. So let
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them decide. But also because the press has so discredited itself and Congress and the administration
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and the judges and the judges and everyone else has so discredited themselves that everything will seem
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like a coup. I mean, look what the Hillary Clinton is saying. She's currently saying she lost because
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Trump was a Russia asset and it's happening again. Tulsi Gabbard is a, is a Russian asset.
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But I'm telling you right now, everything is in line. Everything is in line right now for
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global war and a reset. There are people like it or not that do have tons of power and money
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that believe they know what's best. And what's best is a reset. And these people just don't know.
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They just don't, they just won't get out of their way. They're just too stupid.
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And they will reset us. But the way to do it is through global war.
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Can you guys tell me where this isn't moving forward in this direction? Can you guys tell me
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where that doesn't make sense? Where this doesn't follow the pattern of history?
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It does seem to align well with that pattern for sure. I mean, there, you know, there's arguments in
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that, like, we have been able to avoid those level of conflicts more frequently than in past centuries.
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Sure. Which is encouraging, maybe. But, but again, if you have a study out that says the two main
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fuses for that. Yeah. And those two fuses are being led and lit right now by the Democratic candidates.
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It's not like we've avoided. Yeah, well, we've avoided those things. But these two specific
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things, current data on what would push us over the edge, and you have the media and the Democratic
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Party pushing for those two things. Basically, their platform, right? I mean, their platform is this
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thing that could cause incredible amounts of chaos. Pretty, pretty compelling case.
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Thanks. Zach Voorhees was a Google engineer for almost 10 years before discovering the AI
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censorship program called Machine Learning Fairness. He blew the whistles and he delivered about a
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thousand pages of internal documents to the DOJ and to the public. He is now trying to raise awareness
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about Google's intention to meddle in the elections and giving China access to its Manhattan project
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called Deep Mind. Welcome, Zach Voorhees. How are you?
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Glenn, thank you very much for having me on the show. It's a pleasure to be here.
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Thank you, Zach. You are incredibly brave. Let me just let me start with a kind of a personal
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question. What goes through your mind the night before you decide to go public against a company
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like Google? You know, this was a really long time coming. I've been seeing them tiptoe towards
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this total control of the internet. So for me, it's a moment of atonement when I can finally go out and
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warn the public about what's coming down. And they've already been seeing it. So, you know,
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there's this buildup and then it comes out and it's a release. And it's actually quite an emotional
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moment for me to be able to finally do this after years of waiting and all the due diligence and
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collecting this information and making sure that it goes into the right hand.
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Zach, I have to, first of all, thank you for what you've done. I have to tell you, I'm shocked
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by the American people that we haven't reacted more strongly against this. The, you know,
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a brave new world was right, not 1984. We're just been given this drug of information and it doesn't
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seem like we, we care either that or people don't actually believe this is going to turn into
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something really horrible. Yeah. Um, you know, and the media told us that Google was the best company
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ever. And when Google went IPO, they said that they were going to do no evil and that they were going
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to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful. And who could
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go against that? Right. You know, it was right there in there, you know, essentially a constitution
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of what they were going to do. And then after Donald Trump won the election, they threw all that away
00:30:35.040
and it was shocking to see it. Give me an example of what you saw.
00:30:42.780
So right after Donald Trump won the election, there was a executive meeting, like an all hands
00:30:49.700
that they had, that they broadcasted to all the employees so that they could watch. Yeah. I saw part
00:30:55.280
of this. Yeah. And it was really bizarre. The CFO broke down in tears and, um, Sergey Brin said that
00:31:05.740
he was personally offended by the election of Donald Trump. But what really surprised me was the CEO
00:31:13.100
Sundar Pichai who said that they were going to use their, um, AI machine learning in order to combat
00:31:20.720
misinformation online. And the question that I had was, well, who decides what's misinformation?
00:31:28.640
And that's what led me down the rabbit hole to discover, um, the ways that they were going to
00:31:35.460
use machine learning, uh, machine learning to combat fake news and exactly what they were defining as fake
00:31:44.060
news, which I discovered were actual real events that had happened. Yeah. It's, um, it's quite amazing
00:31:54.240
what they're doing. And, um, and there's really no way to track. Are there, are there more whistleblowers
00:32:02.040
in Google that might come out? Are there more people that felt like you? And if so, what's it going to
00:32:08.180
take for them to come out? Well, let me tell you that there's a person by the name of Kevin
00:32:13.720
Cernicki, um, who has a lot of, he's got 2000 pages and he delivered this information to the
00:32:22.320
labor board or state and federal. And the thing is, is that this is now under sealed order by the
00:32:33.100
arbitrator. This can't come to the public at this time, but I know that there's 2000 more pages ready
00:32:39.720
to be disclosed, hopefully sometime in the future. Um, and Kevin has been the target of Google
00:32:47.940
retaliation for giving this information to the national labor review board. Um, what do you think
00:32:54.500
he might have? Well, he specifically told me that he has information related to systematic targeting of
00:33:04.160
the conservatives that were working at Google. And so, yeah, he, he, he gave this to the national
00:33:13.060
labor review board. And when Google found out about this, they ambushed him with HR. They took his laptop
00:33:19.820
and then they constructed an alternative theory where he was actually maliciously hacking into their system
00:33:27.980
in order to get documents to discover their legal strategy. And so they filed criminal suit against
00:33:34.800
him and they have, um, drained a hundred thousand dollars of his own money for him defending his legal
00:33:42.680
actions, um, with the company. It sounds a little like what, uh, Zuckerberg did to the creator of
00:33:49.940
Oculus. Um, tell me, uh, tell me what they're doing, um, to affect the election.
00:33:59.440
Right. Well, recently you've probably heard something that happened with Tulsi Gabbard.
00:34:06.960
All right, go ahead. Um, so following a very successful democratic debate, Tulsi Gabbard had her
00:34:16.240
account, her ad account deactivated right as people were searching for her. Um, and I know how,
00:34:26.240
you know, accounts like hers goes down because I've seen it happen to Jordan Peterson and the way the
00:34:33.960
insiders are able to take down accounts is that there's this longstanding bug within the Google
00:34:38.880
system. And the way that it works is if you have a target address, let's say Jordan Peterson,
00:34:45.780
and you take his email account and you change it and you create a new account with that. And you keep
00:34:51.620
on doing this over and over and over again, until there is a collection of spam email addresses,
00:34:57.940
those spam email addresses then starts pushing spam to other people's email accounts. The AI systems will
00:35:06.460
see this spam network and they'll bring it down, but they'll also bring down the original accounts.
00:35:12.960
And so when I was talking to Tulsi Gabbard's attorney, he described me the exact same situation
00:35:20.240
of what I saw with Jordan Peterson. So when Google says, Oh, we don't know what's happening,
00:35:25.360
you know, uh, must've been a bug or a suspicious activity. Um, what that, what that says to me is that
00:35:32.520
it was, it was a vulnerability that was executed by, you know, a group of insiders.
00:35:39.860
Now, why would it have to be executed by insiders?
00:35:44.580
Insiders because they know this exploit exists. They may not work for the company. It's unknown,
00:35:52.380
but there's a group of insiders with, with knowledge of certain exploits, and they're able to
00:35:59.260
do an attack like this and give Google the pleasure of plausible deniability.
00:36:06.060
Wow. Uh, okay. Um, I'm going to take a quick break and then I want to come back and I want to ask you
00:36:12.840
because, um, you wrote a, a very powerful article, um, or were quoted in an article about, uh, the
00:36:22.160
Manhattan project. And this is something I've discussed for a long time. I, I think, uh, you know,
00:36:28.640
AGI and ASI is real. Uh, and I think it is beyond, uh, our imagination. We're dealing with an alien
00:36:37.200
life form. We don't know what it's going to be, but we do know whoever is controlling it, at least
00:36:44.400
at first, uh, is, um, is going to, uh, be leaps and bounds ahead of anybody. And I've been talking
00:36:52.060
about, I, I kind of wish the United States was doing this, but I also kind of don't, I don't
00:36:58.120
want the government to have it. I don't want anybody to have it quite honestly, but I know
00:37:01.900
it's inevitable. Well, you've been quoted as talking about a Manhattan project that Google
00:37:07.260
is doing, but they're not doing it with the United States, which is terrifying. All right.
00:37:12.320
So Zach, uh, we're talking to Zach Voorhees. He is a Google whistleblower, uh, former senior
00:37:18.200
software developer at, uh, Google. And I want to talk about the AI project, uh, deep mind
00:37:25.340
who you say now Google is partnering with China on. Please tell me that's not true.
00:37:33.800
Um, well, I mean, China, Google's got its offices in China. Uh, China has a, um, a
00:37:42.240
policy, a principle of civil military fusion, which was, uh, started in 2017, which China
00:37:50.060
gets access, uh, with its civilian infrastructure and is able to fuse it with its military apparatus.
00:37:58.020
Um, and one of the, um, founding principal, uh, engineers, uh, Fei Fei Li, whose work with
00:38:08.280
Google is opening up a, um, uh, has, has been opening up a lab in China. And so there's these
00:38:16.480
people that are connected with China very strongly, uh, with between Google and China that are opening
00:38:21.240
up this, uh, this new lab, uh, Google's got, uh, China's got access to Google's, uh, infrastructure
00:38:27.960
because, you know, their AI technology has no borders, um, according to them. And so, um,
00:38:36.380
the question that Peter Thiel, uh, opinion in his New York times op-ed asked the question is Google
00:38:46.360
committing treason by allowing Google, by allowing China to have access to this information. And I
00:38:54.740
think that it's an important question that we need to, you know, start asking is how much access does
00:39:01.380
China have to this very important intellectual property. So what do you, what do you say to the
00:39:10.660
treason question? Why would they, why should you consider that they might be committing treason?
00:39:17.000
What do they have access to? Right. So Google's deep mine is a really incredible project. Um,
00:39:26.300
you might've heard a few years ago about how there was a new type of AI that was able to trance
00:39:32.940
every single chess player out in the world. And then it was able to be retooled and it beat the
00:39:39.680
best go champion in the world. Um, what deep mind is, is a general transferable intelligence.
00:39:49.100
So when someone makes a machine learning intelligence program, um, it's usually trained
00:39:56.180
on to just one problem, let's say chess, or let's say checkers, but a transferable AI is able to
00:40:04.300
take the intelligence that is grown towards a specific problem set and then transfer to a related
00:40:10.740
problem set. So this, this, this would also be called a GI, uh, artificial general intelligence,
00:40:18.120
general intelligence. Yes. So this is what we're building is we're building an artificial general
00:40:23.880
intelligence and that general intelligence will be, you know, uh, adept at many different tasks,
00:40:31.540
possibly the entire spectrum of human tasks that people do today could be done by this one machine.
00:40:40.340
And it has, as its access, all of the public information, you know, on the internet, plus all
00:40:50.260
of the hidden information that Google has stored in its data servers. Think of the public, think of
00:40:56.800
the public internet, plus the library of Alexandria, you start to get, you know, an idea of the wealth
00:41:03.920
of information that this AI now has access to. So Zach, it's my, it's my understanding when you hit
00:41:11.680
a GI, if you can, if, if a SI super intelligence is possible, it will come from a GI having access
00:41:21.920
to the internet and all of the information that that's, that's when things get dicey. Um,
00:41:30.040
I mean, I've, I've read about the studies where they try to keep a GI in a box and, you know,
00:41:36.800
try to convince me to let it out of that box to get on the internet. Uh, and it always fails. We're
00:41:43.840
starting with deep mind on the internet. I mean, deep mind gets as its access, you know, read access to
00:41:53.120
the, all the information that's on the internet. Wow. Right. Because for these AIs, you need to
00:42:00.040
train them with something. Right. So in order to train them, you know, first you use curated data,
00:42:05.340
like a collection of faces or a collection, you know, articles. Uh, but then as it gets more
00:42:11.380
intelligent, you widen the, the data that you're allowed to push into this intelligence network.
00:42:18.120
Okay. So, um, the Chinese government, then the military has access to all of the information
00:42:28.280
in America. Yes, because Google doesn't have borders on its technology, uh, you know, the technology,
00:42:38.300
um, you know, it's, it's base of operations in China has the same access that, you know, someone in the UK
00:42:46.420
or a Google lab in the UK or a Google lab in the United States does. And so, you know, and this is
00:42:54.260
what Google has said themselves is that, you know, this technology about AI is borderless, quote unquote.
00:43:00.580
So does it go the other way? Do we have access to all the information that Google has in China?
00:43:07.160
That is unknown. And I don't, I don't know the answer to that question. Um, I assume that because
00:43:12.900
of the great wall of China, you know, there is certain information that the rest of Google
00:43:18.880
may not be privy to, but I don't, I don't, I can't speak more on that.
00:43:25.360
So how far, how far away are we? I mean, this is one of the reasons why 5g cannot be in the West
00:43:33.420
from a, a Chinese company. Um, because the Chinese companies will have access to all of our
00:43:42.200
information and they'll also have control to shut information off should they choose. Um,
00:43:49.340
is that just, is that horse already out of the, out of the barn? We have Zach Voorhees on. He is a
00:43:55.340
Google whistleblower, former Google senior software developer. Uh, Zach, I know that, uh, deep mind
00:44:02.700
has said that they haven't moved their, uh, operations to China, but does that even matter
00:44:10.180
if they have access to the deep mind information and the Google information?
00:44:18.960
Yeah, that's right. You know, if access to this information is transferred, you know,
00:44:24.680
the Chinese military can get a copy of it. Right. And we need to audit this thing because
00:44:31.820
you know, deep mind is likely the most advanced AI system on the planet. And China is a rival to the
00:44:43.000
United States. And according to their 2017 mandates, um, any of the civilian, you know, projects
00:44:52.580
need to be shared with the people's liberation army of China.
00:44:57.000
Doesn't this bother the people at Google that they are in bed with such an oppressive state? They,
00:45:03.540
they all say they're for social justice. Good heavens. What, what about the justice in China?
00:45:09.820
You know, it's interesting because, you know, Google has made a really big stink about working
00:45:15.680
with the Pentagon. And, you know, there was a project started called project maven and project, um, Jedi.
00:45:25.780
And this was going to be an AI collaboration with the Pentagon. And the information about that project
00:45:36.240
kept on being leaked to the public and to Reuters and through a bunch of different news agencies.
00:45:42.100
And what happened was an employee brigade started to form to resist project maven. And it was this
00:45:51.920
brigade that gave Google the excuse to be able to cancel their project with the Pentagon. Now,
00:45:59.680
what's really funny is that no one has ever started a brigade about stopping Google's, um, military
00:46:08.040
cooperation with China. It hasn't even been brought up. And so I find it very troubling that while the
00:46:16.020
employees are willing to, you know, protest military cooperation with the Pentagon, that there isn't
00:46:21.200
such a thing with the Chinese military. So when I talked to my friends, Zach, and I said, I was just
00:46:28.500
over to a friend's house and, uh, they had Google home, uh, or Lex, I can't remember. Um, and they said,
00:46:36.940
they walked in the door and they said, lights turns on the lights. Um, they have Google nest. They had,
00:46:42.840
I mean, it was a Google home. It was a Google home. And I said, are you out of your mind?
00:46:49.360
And they said, Oh, Glenn. And I said, no, no, no. Oh, Glenn, they have all your information
00:46:57.460
and people don't understand. Can you please explain why giving them that kind of access to your house
00:47:05.920
is a bad idea? If indeed you think it is, I would feel a lot better about it. If the United States
00:47:14.360
had this information on other citizens in other countries, um, you know, there's a saying in Silicon
00:47:23.020
Valley, which is if the product is free, you are the product. Yeah. And so, you know, what's happening,
00:47:31.780
I believe is that Google is selling your data to intelligence communities around the world.
00:47:39.040
And now, why would they want it? Why would they want it?
00:47:42.620
Because why, why would Google want it? No, why would the intelligence agencies want it?
00:47:49.780
Um, because it gives them power. Uh, intelligence is the most valuable form of military power. Um,
00:47:56.180
which is why deception is used, uh, in all forms of warfare. And so having information on the buying
00:48:05.380
habits of every single American on U S soil is very valuable. If you're the manufacturing powerhouse
00:48:13.300
of the world. So I asked Tim pool, this question, um, and I haven't heard back from him yet. I asked him
00:48:20.040
this weekend. Um, why, why don't we just pass a law that makes our information, our information,
00:48:29.460
you can't sell my information. You collect it. I can sell it to you, but you don't, you can't keep
00:48:37.560
it. You can't have it. Is that a possible solution for all of this or not? Right. It needs to happen
00:48:44.380
because you know, when you go on a plane, you get an 80 page and user license agreement just to use
00:48:50.320
the internet. Right. And the reason why they have this huge license agreement is because they're
00:48:56.120
selling your data, you know, and there needs to be a way that the United States treats your personal
00:49:06.460
information as a piece of property. Correct. You have the rights to, and that, you know, companies can't
00:49:13.960
be trading on the open market. Um, all the psychometric information, um, you know, your race,
00:49:21.640
your gender, your location, how many kids you have, you know, what are your vulnerabilities? You
00:49:27.480
know, what time do you go to bed? What time do you wake up? You know, what, where do you go to work?
00:49:32.280
You know, all these, you know, all, all these little bits of data get fused back in these huge data
00:49:38.740
centers and they create these, you know, um, if not explicit profiles, also shadow profiles.
00:49:45.700
And people have been talking about this where, you know, they found their data on Facebook and
00:49:51.200
Facebook already knew who they were. And then when they, when they, you know, signed up all of a sudden
00:49:55.060
it recommended all these people that they knew in real life. Why? Because Facebook has created a,
00:50:01.500
a profile of you, regardless of whether you've created a, you know, an account with them. Um,
00:50:08.740
and this happens within Google and this happens with companies like Palantir. You know, there's,
00:50:14.760
there's multiple companies out there that are collecting all this information that's available
00:50:18.940
to purchase and to scrape. And they're creating profiles of every single person in the United States.
00:50:26.040
Now, here's why it's dangerous, Glenn. Okay. That data gets sold to the Chinese military.
00:50:31.500
Let's say you start talking about forced organ harvesting and this displeases China. Well,
00:50:39.020
now they know exactly where you are, who your friends are and how they can target you. And the
00:50:45.160
United States does not have the same information on Chinese nationals living within China. So they can
00:50:53.480
take out our assets in the United States at will. And the United States has no ability to retaliate.
00:51:00.800
And you have no, you have no idea that it's even coming from China. You could start to have things
00:51:07.960
released about you, um, that are true or not true. And it could, could be just because you're
00:51:14.880
outspoken against, you know, Chinese human rights policies and you're taken out with your credibility
00:51:22.940
by the Chinese. And nobody knows that. Is that one of the fears that you're talking about?
00:51:30.660
Yeah. I mean, it could be a targeted assassination or it could be assassination of your reputation.
00:51:36.820
Through one of these news organizations that, um, you know, takes money from,
00:51:47.980
Zach, um, I appreciate your honesty and I appreciate, um, your willingness to, uh, to be a lightning rod on
00:51:54.400
this. I, I hope that people begin to pay attention soon and hope to have you on again. Thank you,
00:51:59.660
Zach. Appreciate it. The blaze radio network on demand.