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00:03:14.240 I received a what's called embargoed document early this morning.

00:03:24.400 And it was embargoed until about two hours ago.

00:03:28.420 And so we've spent the last two hours trying to go through it and understand what it says.

00:03:32.780 And it's from Tulsi Gabbard.

00:03:35.820 And it is explosive document.

00:03:39.040 And you're going to understand how important this document is in just a minute.

00:03:47.540 And I'm going to show you tonight on chalkboard.

00:03:49.660 I'll lay all of this out on a chalkboard tonight because it's hard to follow just by talking about it.

00:03:54.400 Yeah, it's going to be it would be helpful to have the chalkboard.

00:03:57.540 And by the way, if you can also get the exact documents online, glenbeck.com right now.

00:04:01.420 Yeah.

00:04:01.960 So before you go on to the new information, I'm trying to see if I trace this back correctly.

00:04:07.460 Yeah.

00:04:07.560 So before the election, Trump is there are these accusations against Trump, which are in the Steele dossier that everyone has inside the government.

00:04:19.160 And they have already said there's nothing here.

00:04:21.400 Right.

00:04:22.060 These are discredited.

00:04:25.060 They then have a very surprised election result.

00:04:29.560 So they were not planning on necessarily using this.

00:04:32.340 They didn't think they had to.

00:04:33.640 Yes.

00:04:33.940 But then they lose the election.

00:04:36.000 And now afterward, they are trying to think about how to thwart Donald Trump as he becomes president.

00:04:44.320 Get him out of office or at least just shut him down.

00:04:46.920 Shut him down.

00:04:47.840 They are planning on releasing a PDB to the president, which would be on record to everybody, including Trump and Flynn.

00:04:56.060 Yes.

00:04:56.460 That says nothing there with the Russians. 0.95

00:04:59.580 There's nothing there.

00:05:00.580 Electronically.

00:05:01.840 Electronically.

00:05:02.820 Nothing there.

00:05:03.660 And they then are, before that comes out, Obama or...

00:05:11.980 Obama.

00:05:12.400 It was Obama.

00:05:12.800 No, it was Obama.

00:05:13.500 It's on record.

00:05:14.160 And we have it.

00:05:14.840 Okay.

00:05:15.060 We have a document.

00:05:15.820 That he said, look, let's delay.

00:05:17.800 Let's have a meeting first.

00:05:18.860 Don't put that in writing.

00:05:20.060 Right.

00:05:20.700 They have some meeting.

00:05:22.040 They decide in that meeting that they are going to present this instead as actually the Russians are trying to help Trump.

00:05:34.020 And the evidence for this is the Steele dossier.

00:05:37.100 Correct.

00:05:37.480 Which they all knew had been discredited or it would have been released earlier.

00:05:41.780 CIA and FBI have problems with this.

00:05:44.560 They express those issues in writing and say, hey, this isn't...

00:05:48.920 What new information are we getting?

00:05:50.920 What new information do we have?

00:05:51.480 Right.

00:05:52.340 In writing, Brennan says, we don't have any new information.

00:05:56.740 We're moving forward.

00:05:57.240 We're moving forward anyway.

00:05:57.760 This is what the president wants.

00:05:59.020 Correct.

00:05:59.740 That new briefing finds its way into the New York Times the next day, right?

00:06:07.700 From, quote unquote, intelligence sources.

00:06:10.420 Probably Brennan.

00:06:11.640 Lays the groundwork for everything that happens after.

00:06:14.500 Correct.

00:06:15.160 Okay.

00:06:15.440 Okay.

00:06:15.920 So now, Obama says yesterday that, you know, there's nothing here.

00:06:20.720 There's nothing new.

00:06:21.560 Apples and oranges.

00:06:22.900 You're comparing different things.

00:06:24.320 Okay.

00:06:25.280 Well, that all falls apart when you see what they didn't put in.

00:06:31.720 Remember, what they did was they said, Russia was in the bag for Donald Trump, and he's going

00:06:39.120 to be a puppet because they have so much dirt on him as found in the Steele dossier.

00:06:45.880 Okay.

00:06:46.900 But here's what we did have.

00:06:49.840 And this is the released memo.

00:06:51.460 You have to read, just for history, you have to just look at it because there's probably

00:06:56.740 only 25 people in the world that had seen this document.

00:07:01.240 Okay.

00:07:01.720 Before today.

00:07:02.560 Before today.

00:07:03.760 This document, there are only five paper copies.

00:07:07.920 It is so top secret that it was not allowed to be put on any kind of digital format, and

00:07:13.180 it was all kept in the highest level safe.

00:07:16.960 Okay.

00:07:17.700 Donald Trump saw it at the end of his administration.

00:07:21.680 This is the document that he said, I want that released.

00:07:24.260 And then they didn't release it.

00:07:28.440 Remember, on his last day, he's like, I want this, I declassify it, and I want it released.

00:07:33.640 And then after he left office, they didn't declassify it, and they didn't release it.

00:07:38.080 And it is also most likely the document that they were looking for when they went to Mar-a-Lago

00:07:43.800 because that Mar-a-Lago raid made no sense, made no sense.

00:07:49.260 This happens all the time.

00:07:51.120 Every president, as you saw with Joe Biden, what, three days later, he had stuff in his

00:07:56.100 garage that was top secret.

00:07:58.320 They were looking for something in particular.

00:08:01.220 And what they were looking for is this document.

00:08:04.080 This document now is at glennbeck.com, released two hours ago.

00:08:07.920 This is the highest level of top secret we have.

00:08:14.340 So what's in the document?

00:08:16.620 The document details SVR, which is the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, and the reports

00:08:23.980 from 2016 from Russia about the hacking of the DNC.

00:08:30.860 Remember, they were hacked, and nobody could figure out who hacked them.

00:08:34.120 And there was never anything about it, and everybody was like, well, that's no big deal.

00:08:38.960 No big deal.

00:08:40.240 Why was that no big deal?

00:08:41.980 Do you remember that?

00:08:43.080 And nobody seemed to care about it.

00:08:45.540 It was like, really, no big deal.

00:08:47.240 Well, in this report, it shows it was a very big deal because out of that hacking, the Russian 0.98

00:08:55.540 Foreign Service, at least this is the information they got from intel on the Russian Foreign

00:09:01.680 Service, that they had the intel now that Obama and the Democratic leaders were, and I'm quoting,

00:09:08.500 extraordinarily alarmed about Clinton's health, calling it a potential serious negative impact

00:09:14.880 on her chances.

00:09:16.340 Type 2 diabetes, ischemic heart disease, deep vein thrombosis, and chronic obstructive pulmonary

00:09:22.240 disease.

00:09:23.120 Plus, listen to this, I'm quoting, intensified psycho-emotional problems, uncontrolled fits

00:09:33.920 of anger, aggression, and cheerfulness.

00:09:37.140 That last one is, I mean, I would have said this has no credibility at all.

00:09:41.080 I've never seen her cheerful.

00:09:43.540 She was also, according to the intelligence that they got from the Russians based on the

00:09:50.100 DNC hacks, she was allegedly also on heavy tranquilizers every day, obsessed with power, 0.99

00:09:56.520 and afraid of losing.

00:09:58.480 Russia also knew about the alleged secret meetings where Clinton allegedly offered State Department

00:10:03.880 favors to religious groups for campaign support.

00:10:07.360 Ethical standards, ethical scandals galore, including pressure on the FBI over her email

00:10:13.700 probe via high-ranking DOJ official.

00:10:16.800 Russia had all of this, all of this, and then we had the Steele dossier from a discredited

00:10:26.420 FBI source that said Russia has pictures of him giving golden showers.

00:10:33.980 Now, they are saying the Steele dossier, which they had already discredited, Obama says go back.

00:10:41.160 They said, we have no new information, go back and use this and show that Russia was trying

00:10:47.880 to get Trump to win.

00:10:50.220 He was trying to help Hillary Clinton lose because he had all this dirt on Hillary Clinton, 0.83

00:10:57.460 on Donald Trump, so he could be a puppet.

00:11:00.780 But the facts show the exact opposite.

00:11:04.820 Now, does this sound familiar?

00:11:06.680 This is what the left always does.

00:11:08.300 Whatever they're accusing us of doing, they're doing.

00:11:14.400 The Russians actually had all the dirt from the DNC hacking, or at least we believed they 0.81

00:11:22.580 had it from this official Russian report that they had all the dirt on Hillary Clinton.

00:11:29.440 Now, if Putin was really trying to win, why wouldn't he drop these nukes?

00:11:35.020 Why wouldn't he have pushed these things out?

00:11:40.300 Instead, they seek milder stuff.

00:11:43.980 And they are trying to undermine democracy overall.

00:11:49.760 They're trying to split us.

00:11:51.220 They're not electing Trump.

00:11:53.760 They're trying to divide us.

00:11:55.460 They think Hillary Clinton is going to win, and they think that this is going to be good

00:12:02.360 for them because they have all of this stuff.

00:12:04.820 They're also, according to sources, they're also kind of afraid of her because she seems

00:12:11.280 unstable.

00:12:12.580 Okay.

00:12:13.500 So what does Obama do?

00:12:15.960 He says that Russian actions showed they have a clear preference for Trump, but they admit 0.69

00:12:23.040 all of the reports from Putin's advisors warning a Trump win could mean a Republican Congress

00:12:29.260 hostile to Russia. 0.58

00:12:32.560 Remember we said Donald Trump is more, he's stronger on Russia than any president has been

00:12:39.100 since maybe Reagan.

00:12:41.120 What are you talking about?

00:12:43.160 He likes Russia.

00:12:44.300 He's really strong against Russia and compared to anybody else. 0.95

00:12:47.960 Remember, Hillary Clinton was like, I'm going to do a reset.

00:12:51.700 The Steele dossier is then shoehorning it being shoehorned in to this document as additional

00:12:59.160 reporting on Putin's intentions.

00:13:03.000 Despite the CIA vets who are going into Brennan's office on the record, we have documents proving 0.90

00:13:10.900 that they went to and said, you can't do this.

00:13:14.200 This is, this is DNC opposition research, unverifiable hearsay, fabricated claims, regurgitated

00:13:22.480 media stories.

00:13:23.660 You can't do this.

00:13:26.220 Steele has been fired from the FBI because he was lying to the FBI.

00:13:30.180 And you can't, you're going to, you're going to misrepresent it as legitimate intel from

00:13:35.960 an FBI source with a layered network and admit all bias, all the payments, all of the sub

00:13:44.080 sources that are unknown and unvetted.

00:13:46.880 And we are going to also not include the stuff that we know they have from the DNC hack about

00:13:53.820 Hillary Clinton.

00:13:54.600 Brennan's response to his team is, yeah, but on Donald Trump, doesn't that ring true?

00:14:04.200 Well, that's not facts.

00:14:06.600 That's an opinion.

00:14:07.660 That's advocacy.

00:14:08.920 Doesn't that ring true?

00:14:10.340 That's not the way.

00:14:11.340 And they point this out.

00:14:12.360 That's not the way.

00:14:13.520 That's a violation of how we do intel.

00:14:16.080 So, Obama orders the new guidance, limited coordination, no broad peer review at all, and to publish

00:14:31.820 before Trump takes office.

00:14:34.580 This is a coup.

00:14:36.640 This is a lie.

00:14:38.480 This was all manufactured.

00:14:40.480 Now, Obama denies all of it, but today, only five copies existed, only in paper, and they

00:14:51.040 were all in the most confidential safe of the United States government and released two

00:14:56.920 hours ago that show all of this.

00:15:00.780 So, why hide the part about Clinton?

00:15:05.060 If you were actually doing something, you could say, we have this from the Steele dossier,

00:15:11.160 but we also have this that we know Russia has on Hillary Clinton, but they don't do that.

00:15:17.420 Instead, they say, Trump's a Russia puppet, and completely leave out that what they're really

00:15:25.760 wanting is to be the puppeteer of Hillary Clinton.

00:15:31.160 It's all released today.

00:15:35.060 You tell me, does this matter?

00:15:43.160 Does the president, the former president of the United States, instructing the CIA to change

00:15:51.600 course, to allow them and encourage them to leave out really important facts, use something

00:16:01.300 that had already been discredited, and then, within a few hours, before any of this had

00:16:09.240 been done, start a whisper campaign and leak to the New York Times that CIA officials are

00:16:16.640 now looking into some pretty serious charges about Donald Trump?

00:16:20.500 This was planned and coordinated, and it goes all the way to Mar-a-Lago, because this is the

00:16:28.940 document they thought he might have.

00:16:31.040 They had to get rid of this document.

00:16:35.780 They did not want him to release this document.

00:16:39.540 But don't worry, if we get it out of his hands, which he didn't have, if we get it out of his

00:16:44.300 hands, well, we'll put him in jail, so he'll never be able to tell this story anyway.

00:16:49.160 And DNI, Tulsi Gabbard, comes out today and releases this document.

00:16:59.220 It's all at glennbeck.com, and we'll have the full chalkboard on this tonight at 9 o'clock,

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00:18:30.680 David, welcome.

00:18:32.680 Hey, Glenn.

00:18:33.220 Good to be with you.

00:18:33.840 Good to be with you.

00:18:34.540 Okay.

00:18:34.880 So, you were speaking in front of the House here in Texas, and there was one representative,

00:18:44.940 Democrat, who is, some people say, is going to be the reason if Texas ever goes blue, it'll

00:18:50.820 be because of this guy.

00:18:51.720 And he was just arguing that you are just a religious zealot, and that you don't know

00:18:57.320 what you're talking about.

00:18:58.280 You're just trying to indoctrinate our children into your religion by having the Ten Commandments 1.00

00:19:04.080 posted in classrooms.

00:19:05.700 You know, that's a great way to get off the subject, is to start attacking personalities,

00:19:09.980 which is what they do, because they can't win on the subject.

00:19:12.440 Okay.

00:19:12.700 On the subject matter itself, and it's James Talaferos who you're talking about.

00:19:16.260 So, he said this is unconstitutional and un-American.

00:19:20.560 Two things.

00:19:22.660 Un-American, sorry, the very first textbook ever used in American schools has 40 questions

00:19:28.820 for first graders on the Ten Commandments, and that was used all the way through the 1930s.

00:19:34.180 So, we're talking two and a half centuries of Ten Commandments in first grade classrooms,

00:19:39.640 and it's un-American?

00:19:41.180 I don't think so.

00:19:42.640 And by the way, here is that little book.

00:19:44.800 This is the 1777 version.

00:19:46.620 And it went all the way to 1930s.

00:19:49.220 1930s, yeah.

00:19:50.700 That's strange.

00:19:51.540 That's a progressive era, isn't that strange?

00:19:53.280 Yeah, it's strange.

00:19:54.680 So, the questions there start with like 41.

00:19:56.940 Question 41, you go up through question 80.

00:19:59.360 The preface to the Ten Commandments is, in their words, I am the Lord thy God, which is brought

00:20:06.740 thou out of the land of Egypt and out of the land of bondage.

00:20:13.640 What did the preface to that commandment teach us?

00:20:16.880 This is first grade.

00:20:18.240 This is first grade.

00:20:19.040 This is first grade for a couple of centuries.

00:20:21.680 Stu, answer the first grader question.

00:20:23.940 So, that one…

00:20:25.300 What did the preface teach you?

00:20:26.980 Come on.

00:20:27.800 Come on, first grader.

00:20:28.800 So much.

00:20:30.900 So many things.

00:20:31.660 That's crazy.

00:20:32.440 Well, here's your next one.

00:20:34.280 That's McGuffey's readers.

00:20:35.780 120 million sold across two and a half centuries, Ten Commandments, and McGuffey's readers.

00:20:41.180 This is the second reader.

00:20:42.200 So, now we're in second grade, and we're having the Ten Commandments taught there.

00:20:45.380 Do you have it marked in there?

00:20:45.840 I don't have it marked in there.

00:20:47.160 All right.

00:20:47.420 But it's the same kind of stuff.

00:20:48.440 It's the same thing.

00:20:49.120 It's all the way through.

00:20:50.520 And so, book after book after book.

00:20:52.080 And here is a…

00:20:52.860 But wait, did they have to memorize the date the Ten Commandments were found?

00:20:56.140 Yeah.

00:20:56.920 Exactly.

00:20:58.920 Memorize this date on the Ten Commandments.

00:21:01.420 Forget about the Ten Commandments, but it was found on this date.

00:21:06.000 Gosh.

00:21:06.740 We used to get the core things right.

00:21:08.920 I know.

00:21:09.340 I know.

00:21:09.840 And that's why we taught it for school.

00:21:11.100 So, to say it's un-American, sorry, that doesn't hold up.

00:21:15.020 Unconstitutional?

00:21:15.880 You know, we had that debate with him that night in the legislature, and it clearly is the

00:21:20.480 opposite direction.

00:21:21.260 The Supreme Court came back and said, look, we went through 50 years of getting things

00:21:25.760 wrong on religion.

00:21:26.780 We're back to what they call the history and tradition test.

00:21:29.720 If you can show something that's historical and traditional, the court said, we're going

00:21:33.260 to assume that it's constitutional.

00:21:35.340 There's not many things you can show to be more traditional and historical than Ten Commandments.

00:21:39.700 And that honestly makes sense, because the guys who wrote the Constitution…

00:21:43.600 That's right.

00:21:43.900 You know what I mean?

00:21:44.960 They, for generations, were putting this into their classrooms.

00:21:49.260 That's right.

00:21:49.520 They were teaching this.

00:21:50.940 I think it's so important to not look at this as a religious document.

00:21:56.260 I mean, it is.

00:21:57.000 But not to look at this as a religious document, but just as a document of society.

00:22:03.820 If you don't have, you know, thou shall not have other gods before thee, before me, that

00:22:09.620 means, you know, that could be your car.

00:22:12.460 That could be your job.

00:22:13.460 That means, don't worship anything except for a real truth.

00:22:22.440 You know what I mean?

00:22:23.500 Yeah.

00:22:23.660 Truth.

00:22:24.720 Don't worship, you know, people or anything else.

00:22:29.520 That's a good safety tip.

00:22:31.780 It's good, and it is interesting, even looking back at Founding Father South, when they talked

00:22:36.560 about the Ten Commandments, it's the basis of our culture.

00:22:39.060 And you have to have a common morality for any nation to exist.

00:22:41.980 And so, here's one from John Adams.

00:22:44.360 He says, if thou shall not covet, and thou shall not steal, two of the Ten Commandments,

00:22:49.260 were not the commandments of heaven, they must be made the inviolable precepts in every

00:22:54.020 society before it can be civilized or made free.

00:22:57.040 If you don't live by these precepts, you can't be a free society.

00:23:00.040 And so, we have that from so many Founding Fathers, James, Wilson.

00:23:03.220 And you know what?

00:23:03.860 We see this now.

00:23:05.100 Thou shall not covet.

00:23:06.640 That means, don't say, look at those rich people over there.

00:23:10.120 Look what they have taken.

00:23:12.880 That's what this stops.

00:23:14.860 Well, it stops a lot more.

00:23:16.480 We actually have 300 court cases that cite the Ten Commandments as the reason for our

00:23:21.060 laws.

00:23:21.880 And the one you just said, don't covet, that was actually cited by federal courts as the

00:23:26.680 reason the takings clause was put in the Constitution.

00:23:29.720 The taking, you can't take.

00:23:30.920 Which means you can't just take it without?

00:23:32.080 You can't take it without paying for it.

00:23:33.200 Without paying for it.

00:23:33.760 Because that's all based on, I covet that.

00:23:35.580 I want that.

00:23:36.000 I'm going to take that.

00:23:37.100 Even the government can't take it unless it pays for it.

00:23:39.640 And so, the government's to be bound by the Ten Commandments as well.

00:23:42.160 And you have court case after court case saying that?

00:23:44.240 Oh, yeah.

00:23:44.740 We have-

00:23:45.000 Quoting it?

00:23:45.520 Just kind of quick things.

00:23:47.900 Here's 300 court cases.

00:23:49.760 But California, this is a court in California.

00:23:52.060 The laws against defamation come out of the Ten Commandments.

00:23:55.360 Here's a court in West Virginia.

00:23:57.860 The laws against election fraud are based on the Ten Commandments.

00:24:00.800 How?

00:24:01.700 Because you're stealing.

00:24:03.100 You're stealing something.

00:24:04.200 You're not supposed to steal.

00:24:05.260 And you're taking somebody else's votes.

00:24:07.020 And so, you're not supposed to be stealing.

00:24:08.560 And that's what election fraud is, is stealing.

00:24:11.360 Then you have the takings clause.

00:24:15.880 We talked about that one.

00:24:17.180 Here's one in Florida.

00:24:18.220 White-collar crime.

00:24:19.200 They say the laws against white-collar crime and embezzlement.

00:24:22.700 Is that stealing again?

00:24:23.880 Stealing.

00:24:24.280 And they even say the modern forms of cattle rustling are laws against cattle rustling on

00:24:29.720 the books about stealing.

00:24:31.640 So, there's so – I mean, 300 court cases cite the Ten Commandments, and somehow we're

00:24:36.280 not going to let kids see what's been cited over 300 times in the courts as the basis of

00:24:41.160 our laws.

00:24:41.280 Well, he said to you that this was idolatrous, exclusionary, and arrogant.

00:24:51.100 And he referenced Matthew 6-5, which, if I'm not mistaken, Matthew 6-5 is like, hey, when

00:24:57.460 you pray, pray in your closet.

00:24:59.160 You know, keep it on the down low.

00:25:00.600 You don't want to – how does Matthew 6-5 apply to putting the Ten Commandments in your

00:25:07.740 classroom?

00:25:08.160 Well, let's go back to the first part, too, because it's idolatrous.

00:25:15.060 This is back to, are you smarter than the first grader?

00:25:17.240 Remember that book you had a minute ago?

00:25:18.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:19.500 So, the first grade, it points out that the first and second commandment prohibit idolatry.

00:25:26.380 Yes.

00:25:26.660 So, how is the Ten Commandments idolatrous if it prohibits idolatry?

00:25:30.300 I mean, that's kind of –

00:25:31.520 Well, maybe because you're making a graven image of these things.

00:25:34.940 I don't know.

00:25:35.580 I mean –

00:25:36.300 Yeah, who knows what progressive thinking is because it's not logical.

00:25:39.720 But within that framework, it clearly is – all right, let's take the thing you just

00:25:45.940 mentioned.

00:25:46.460 Go into your closet to pray.

00:25:48.500 How come Jesus prayed so often in the open and did miracles in the open and did his teachings

00:25:52.880 in the open?

00:25:53.720 Because it's all about motives.

00:25:56.240 Don't pray to be seen.

00:25:58.000 And Jesus didn't do what he did to be seen, but he was not private in what he did.

00:26:02.140 His whole ministry was public.

00:26:03.900 And you can't – you know, you could say the same thing about, you know, their religion

00:26:10.380 of progressivism.

00:26:12.320 You know, why do they do that?

00:26:14.120 It's not because they're, you know, doing anything other than they believe that you have

00:26:20.780 to teach these things.

00:26:22.540 You have to teach them.

00:26:24.240 And so, kids, you know, these ideas are not just passed on naturally.

00:26:30.680 You have to teach the right things or teach the wrong things.

00:26:36.560 But that comes from teaching.

00:26:39.320 You can't just hide these and expect the society just to get it.

00:26:44.140 Oh, you can't.

00:26:44.800 And I think it's interesting that, you know, as Talifera was quoting that one verse from

00:26:48.760 Jesus, in Matthew 19, Jesus told the civil ruler, the rich young ruler, to keep the commandments.

00:26:56.500 So there's an instruction to the civil area, keep the commandments.

00:26:59.480 And so that came from Jesus.

00:27:01.440 And so where Talifera tries to say religion is on one side and government's on the other

00:27:05.320 and the two should never meet, if you're going to – and he gets into something where

00:27:08.840 he talks about you need parental consent for this kind of stuff.

00:27:11.880 So my question is, do we need parental consent to read George Washington's farewell address

00:27:15.800 because it's pretty religious?

00:27:17.200 Do we need parental consent to read the Mayflower Compact because it's pretty religious?

00:27:21.720 Do we need parental consent to do Patrick Henry's Give Me Liberty, Give Me Death

00:27:25.540 because it's really religious?

00:27:26.940 How about Franklin's Speech at the Convention?

00:27:29.700 Really religious?

00:27:30.940 This is crazy stuff.

00:27:32.560 This is why communists always snuff out the religion first.

00:27:36.960 Yeah. 0.67

00:27:37.080 Communists and fascists snuff the religion out because those are the people that will stand 1.00

00:27:42.620 for principle. 0.95

00:27:43.660 That's right.

00:27:43.980 Because they believe it comes from God, a higher purpose, and they have a responsibility.

00:27:50.120 And you can do what you want to them, but a lot of them end up standing and saying, you're

00:27:55.820 going to have to kill me because I know who I serve.

00:27:58.020 You know, even the story you were covering earlier with all the stuff that's come out 0.59

00:28:01.920 now about what was happening in Russia, I'm going to go back to the Ten Commandments on 0.54

00:28:07.520 that because if you're God conscious, it changes your behavior.

00:28:11.080 It does.

00:28:12.180 You and I know that we're going to stand before God and answer for what we do, and we're not

00:28:15.260 going to do the stuff that they did because it doesn't matter what the FBI gets us, it's

00:28:19.300 God that's going to get us on that.

00:28:20.840 And so it changes behavior.

00:28:22.400 And you have a much more civilized nation when you have that.

00:28:25.940 It's interesting that in the time frame when we were teaching the Ten Commandments for

00:28:29.080 all those centuries, if you go back to New York, and James Kent, founding father, he

00:28:33.540 was in charge of the courts of New York, he talks about how just disappointed he was on

00:28:40.220 how much crime was in New York.

00:28:42.740 Over a 16-year period, they had eight murders over 16 years.

00:28:46.300 That's a murder every other year, and that's a crime wave back then?

00:28:50.620 You know, think about how different the culture was.

00:28:53.780 Man, you get 16 murders in a weekend easy on one street corner pretty much in New York City.

00:28:58.080 And it's so different, and that God consciousness makes a real difference in people's behavior.

00:29:04.720 We're seeing it happen.

00:29:05.540 The farther we get from God, the more hollowed out our children have become.

00:29:10.540 That's right.

00:29:11.400 There's no purpose in life.

00:29:13.380 If you take away God, you really take away purpose, and you can fill it with, I've got to

00:29:18.480 save the planet, you know, but that all rings hollow.

00:29:22.240 That all rings hollow.

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00:29:32.200 Alan Dershowitz, professor emeritus of the Harvard Law School, host of The Dershow, and

00:29:37.980 the author of a new book called The Preventative State.

00:29:40.480 We've got to do a podcast with him on this.

00:29:43.300 It's a really great book, Preventative State.

00:29:45.660 Alan, welcome to the program.

00:29:46.780 How are you?

00:29:48.140 Good.

00:29:48.660 Always a pleasure to be on with you.

00:29:50.240 Thank you.

00:29:50.600 Uh, so I heard you, uh, the other day say, uh, uh, uh, Jelaine Maxwell is the Rosetta

00:29:58.080 Stone.

00:29:58.640 Yeah.

00:29:59.220 What do you mean by that?

00:30:01.120 She's known him longer than anybody.

00:30:03.300 She was his girlfriend, uh, him with everybody.

00:30:06.800 She traveled the world with him.

00:30:08.780 She made all the arrangements for people to come visit him, to fly on his plane, to go

00:30:13.840 to the island, to go to his home in New Mexico, to go to his home in New York, in Paris.

00:30:19.480 Uh, she has records that will show who he was with.

00:30:23.740 Um, she knows everything.

00:30:25.420 She knows more than anybody.

00:30:26.800 I probably know after her, I probably know as much as anybody else, uh, because I was

00:30:32.600 his lawyer.

00:30:33.120 And, uh, I told him he had to tell me the truth about everything if he wanted to get

00:30:37.700 the best possible deal.

00:30:39.440 And so I assume he did tell me, for example, if he had been a spy for the CIA or for the

00:30:45.120 Mossad, I would be the first person he ever told because that would have helped him get

00:30:49.540 a better deal.

00:30:50.360 And of course he told me he was not anything like that, but she knows much more than I

00:30:55.180 do.

00:30:55.580 So if she is willing to disclose everything, then I think we'll get to the bottom of this

00:31:01.740 and know who's innocent and who's guilty.

00:31:03.720 But how can we possibly trust her?

00:31:05.380 She's gone through all of her appeals.

00:31:07.500 She's facing, you know, she's in jail for 20 years.

00:31:10.660 Um, I mean, you're in that situation.

00:31:13.240 Well, you never trust.

00:31:14.520 You always verify.

00:31:15.860 What you do is you ask her for leads.

00:31:18.220 You say, where, where is the information?

00:31:21.100 Um, and then she has to provide it. 0.99

00:31:23.380 Uh, it's not going to be her word against anybody else's.

00:31:26.560 It's going to be, she's providing information.

00:31:28.880 She may have a written record.

00:31:31.020 She may have travel records.

00:31:32.560 The records may be in England.

00:31:33.920 They may be, uh, in a vault somewhere, but, uh, it's always, uh, uh, distrust and verify

00:31:41.440 when you're dealing with anybody in prison.

00:31:43.200 So, uh, the government knows how to make deals.

00:31:46.560 I've, I've participated in deal making the years.

00:31:49.600 I think it was Abby Hoffman who once said in the halls of justice, the only justice is

00:31:53.680 in the halls because that's where the deals get taken.

00:31:55.940 And so it's constantly the case where mafia killers are having reduced sentences in exchange

00:32:02.100 for information about their bosses.

00:32:04.160 Uh, corporate, uh, thieves are given, uh, immunity or given reduced sentences in order

00:32:09.380 to turn it.

00:32:10.100 Look, when I used to teach criminal law at Harvard Law School, I would tell them if you're going

00:32:14.020 to commit a crime, there's one rule, always commit a crime with somebody more important

00:32:17.760 than you are so that you can turn them in and they can't turn you in.

00:32:21.000 It's the name of the game.

00:32:22.700 Let's make a deal.

00:32:24.020 And so there's no reason not to make a deal with Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:32:26.820 She's already served five years, which is longer than anybody has ever served to this,

00:32:31.780 this kind of a crime.

00:32:33.420 And so I mean, wait, she was grooming a thousand girls. 0.83

00:32:38.640 Well, there's no, no information about no evidence about that.

00:32:42.140 The evidence is that she, uh, arranged for, uh, people to come and give massages.

00:32:48.200 We don't know whether she was aware of the nature of the massages because he kept his

00:32:54.580 own, own life private.

00:32:56.220 But even if so, um, you know, look at, uh, look at, uh, you know, Sean Combs, how much

00:33:03.020 worse he did.

00:33:04.540 And he's gonna, you know, probably get far less than, uh, than, than five years, five years,

00:33:10.540 a lot of time for a woman in her sixties.

00:33:13.280 And, uh, if you can exchange, uh, a couple of years, uh, freedom for all the information

00:33:20.520 that you need, it's probably a deal that's worth it.

00:33:22.740 So why hasn't she done this, uh, before?

00:33:26.720 And why did she get 20 years when others don't ever see that?

00:33:33.620 Cause she got Jeffrey Epstein sentence.

00:33:35.900 You know, he would have gotten the 20 years had he stayed alive, but because he died,

00:33:40.320 um, somebody had to be, uh, held responsible.

00:33:45.600 And so she got a sentence way in excess of what she would normally get.

00:33:49.020 If he had stayed alive, government would have made a deal with her.

00:33:52.420 She would have gotten no time.

00:33:53.640 She would have testified against him.

00:33:55.640 And, um, he would have gone to jail for the 20 or maybe 30 years, life imprisonment because

00:34:00.340 of his age.

00:34:01.000 Uh, uh, and, and, and, uh, she would have gotten nothing, but because she had nobody

00:34:06.100 to testify against, he was dead.

00:34:08.080 Uh, she got prosecuted, convicted and sentenced to the 20 years.

00:34:11.820 So normally she would not, uh, usually people who are in that position are the ones who testify.

00:34:18.340 So, um, you say a grand jury would not, would not lead to anything, but this might.

00:34:25.500 This would definitely grand jury wouldn't because grand jury testimony is always tailored in

00:34:31.880 the narrowest possible way to provide just the minimum information necessary to indict.

00:34:37.520 They don't want to give, uh, the defendant other information.

00:34:40.840 So I don't think you're going to find much in the grand jury, but you will find a lot in

00:34:45.300 the information that has been sealed by the three federal judges.

00:34:48.060 But let me tell you what you're going to find.

00:34:49.880 You're going to find a lot of false accusations.

00:34:51.500 Let me give you an example, give you an example of two women. 1.00

00:34:54.400 One is named Sarah Ransom.

00:34:57.080 And during the run-up to the 2016 election, she wrote, uh, I don't know, 50 or 60 emails

00:35:02.920 to Maureen Callahan at the New York Post in which she swore that she had videotapes of 0.91

00:35:08.820 Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, Richard Branson, all having sex with children. 0.74

00:35:14.260 Um, they investigated and found that it wasn't true and she eventually admitted it was totally

00:35:18.760 made up.

00:35:19.240 So if you're going to produce the names of the people she accused, you have to also produce

00:35:24.360 what her background or take another woman named Maria Farmer. 1.00

00:35:29.980 Uh, she was on CNN the other day as if she was the angel Gabriel testifying truthfully,

00:35:34.920 but she has a history of lying and making up stories about people. 1.00

00:35:39.000 She's also a Holocaust denier.

00:35:41.040 She has emails.

00:35:41.720 I have them in my possession in which she said there were no Jews killed in the Holocaust.

00:35:45.860 The Jews killed everybody else in the Holocaust. 0.99

00:35:47.940 This is a nutcase. 0.96

00:35:50.100 And, and, and she is the one that CNN is interviewing, uh, without giving any explanation about, uh, 0.90

00:35:56.740 her background.

00:35:57.560 So what's happened is we've heard one side of the story.

00:36:01.160 We've only heard the accusations.

00:36:03.060 We know that there are accusations against, uh, Bill Richardson, the former ambassador against

00:36:09.200 George Mitchell, against, uh, a Barack against the granddaughter of, uh, Jacques Cousteau.

00:36:15.020 So what we don't know is whether any of these allegations are true.

00:36:18.580 Now, do you, do you know, I mean, I know you can't say anything because of, but have you seen

00:36:25.720 evidence of things?

00:36:28.780 Yes, of course I have.

00:36:30.520 Of course I have.

00:36:31.280 And I know, for example, a few obscure people who nobody ever heard of, and there's very substantial

00:36:37.880 evidence that maybe they did have a consensual sex with, uh, young girls, um, maybe some,

00:36:44.760 uh, above the age of consent, maybe some below.

00:36:47.300 Yes, there are such records.

00:36:49.580 Um, and, and, but they're not a famous people.

00:36:52.340 I know involving Donald Trump or Bill Clinton or Bill Gates, or any of the people who have

00:36:58.320 otherwise been accused whose names are well-known.

00:37:00.820 I don't know of anything that would corroborate that.

00:37:02.900 I know of a lot of false accusations by people who shouldn't be believed.

00:37:06.660 But if you're going to release the names of the accused, you have to also, uh, release

00:37:12.600 the information about the accusers, because there are many accusers out there who never

00:37:17.620 met Jeffrey Epstein.

00:37:18.660 They just collected money, uh, by making false accusations and their lawyers collected money.

00:37:23.560 So this is a deep scandal, uh, which is complex and gray area.

00:37:28.340 And although obviously the villain of the piece is Jeffrey Epstein, there are other villains

00:37:33.820 as well.

00:37:34.300 There's also some mixed story for women who were victims and then they became perpetrators.

00:37:40.020 Uh, they went out and solicited 14 and 15 year olds for Jeffrey Epstein and got paid to

00:37:46.160 do it.

00:37:46.680 So, you know, there's a lot of gray area here.

00:37:49.320 And if we're going to get to the whole truth, we got to make sure we get to the whole truth,

00:37:53.240 including the role of, um, some of the people who have made accusations.

00:37:57.680 So if she testifies, it will be behind closed doors.

00:38:01.320 It would have to be.

00:38:02.000 I think initially it would be behind closed doors, but then you would have, um, look,

00:38:08.560 I want everything to be out there.

00:38:10.000 From day one, I want everything to be out there.

00:38:12.720 I don't think anybody should be protected here.

00:38:14.860 Let the public decide who's telling the truth, but only after they hear all the information.

00:38:19.300 When they hear that, um, you know, Maria Farmer, uh, is an anti-Semite Holocaust denier and that

00:38:26.400 she accuses, um, you know, Jewish people of doing terrible things.

00:38:30.300 Then you ask yourself, maybe she has a motive.

00:38:33.340 Uh, you know, she doesn't believe that the Holocaust occurs.

00:38:37.020 Maybe she didn't believe that, uh, uh, there were false accusations too.

00:38:41.400 She made false accusations.

00:38:42.800 She lied herself as well as, um, uh, Sarah Ransom.

00:38:46.860 So let's get to the bottom of everything, every single thing.

00:38:51.600 Is this going to happen?

00:38:54.260 If a deal is made with Glenn Maxwell, it will happen.

00:38:57.920 If you're her attorney, what are you saying you hold out for?

00:39:02.880 Commutation, time served, um, probation, maybe, uh, something that gives her something in exchange

00:39:11.100 for her giving away all this information.

00:39:14.780 Alan, uh, Alan, always great to talk to you.

00:39:16.860 I, we have to schedule you for a podcast for your book.

00:39:20.740 The preventative state.

00:39:21.740 Yeah, we'd love to do it.

00:39:22.700 Thank you so much.

00:39:23.500 Thank you so much.

00:39:24.480 Alan Dershowitz, uh, from the Dershow.

00:39:26.880 Um, what do you think of that?

00:39:28.100 Stu?

00:39:29.080 I mean, I think he, I don't know how he does it.

00:39:31.160 I, I, I don't think I could be, well, I know I couldn't, I couldn't be an attorney 0.98

00:39:34.780 and then know that guy is dirty, dirty, dirty, and not say anything. 0.98

00:39:39.940 I couldn't do it. 0.98

00:39:41.100 It's tough.

00:39:43.640 He's, he's the attorney in this case.

00:39:45.800 Yeah.

00:39:46.700 So he's talking about it in a way that an attorney talks about it.

00:39:50.560 And I, I understand.

00:39:51.600 And he's also, by the way, been what, by all appearances, falsely accused of terrible things.

00:39:57.460 And there were problems with these witnesses.

00:39:59.700 The idea that Jillian Maxwell went out and just was recruiting 14 year olds for massages 0.99

00:40:05.260 and had no idea what was going on is completely insane to me.

00:40:09.620 I, I don't, I, again, I, I understand what he, the point he's making, but man, I, I, if

00:40:16.640 we care about 14 year olds being sexually abused, a deal cannot, cannot result in Jelaine, 0.97

00:40:24.920 Jelaine Maxwell, whatever her frigging name is, uh, having a, being released or having 0.99

00:40:30.040 some super light sentence. 0.90

00:40:31.540 I mean, I don't, I don't think five years is a lot at all.

00:40:33.920 I don't either.

00:40:34.660 Again, he's the lawyer.

00:40:35.820 He's much smarter on these matters than I am.

00:40:37.500 And to me, it is absolutely not, not enough.

00:40:41.760 And, uh, 20 years is not enough.

00:40:44.080 And it can go longer.

00:40:46.040 Cause I, I don't believe that she didn't, there's no way she didn't know.

00:40:49.780 She was, he just, he started by saying she knows everything.

00:40:53.400 She was a girlfriend. 0.95

00:40:54.820 She was a confidant.

00:40:56.180 She was, she knew.

00:40:57.600 Again, he's in a tough spot here because he, he has attorney client privilege.

00:41:01.300 He was the defense attorney in this case.

00:41:03.980 So I understand that his lines, but I'm, I'm just taking it out of that context and

00:41:08.820 talking about my own moral views here.

00:41:11.260 Yeah.

00:41:11.400 And I don't think it, I don't think it helps.

00:41:13.500 Uh, I mean, it would be good to have all the information, but I don't think it's not

00:41:18.780 going to solve anything, especially if it's behind closed doors.

00:41:21.800 It's not going to solve anything because I would say if this were reversed and it was

00:41:27.020 Joe Biden or whatever, and Hunter Biden was rumored Hunter Biden's on that list.

00:41:31.940 And then she comes up and Joe Biden's in office and he gives her a pardon.

00:41:36.200 And she says, even truthfully, Hunter Biden's not on that list.

00:41:40.020 Do you buy it?

00:41:41.480 So put yourself in the shoes of the other side. 0.93

00:41:43.940 They're not going to buy that.

00:41:44.800 I mean, I I'll, I'll fight on that ship that Donald Trump did nothing with 14 year

00:41:49.980 old girls. 0.96

00:41:50.640 Uh, I'll fight on that ship until the day I die.

00:41:53.160 I just do not believe that.

00:41:54.640 Um, but I, I, I don't think it's helpful for her to come out and say, and he definitely

00:42:00.160 wasn't a part of it.

00:42:01.560 Yeah.

00:42:01.680 And I'm, I'm pretty skeptical.

00:42:03.380 Anything that Ghislaine Maxwell says is going to change the, anybody's opinion or outcome

00:42:08.420 or get us any more information.

00:42:09.780 I don't think she's trustworthy at all.

00:42:11.180 The one trust, she was telling 14 year old girls, it's going to be okay. 0.65

00:42:15.020 I believe there's no, you have no credibility.

00:42:17.980 However, the one way we can make sure that we worsen the situation of making sure that,

00:42:24.560 uh, people who do these types of things, grooming and, and more are, uh, um, are not punished.

00:42:33.080 The one, one way we can be sure we're going the wrong direction is to make sure someone

00:42:37.720 we know did this has a lighter punishment.

00:42:40.320 That's the one thing we can all come together and say we should not want.

00:42:44.460 I don't know what, I don't know what she was charged with.

00:42:48.420 I don't know what the evidence was.

00:42:49.940 I haven't looked into her case.

00:42:51.160 Um, so, I mean, his point may be for what she was charged with.

00:42:56.300 Don't charge.

00:42:57.740 He was basically saying what she was charged with is worth about five years, but what she

00:43:03.360 got was his sentence.

00:43:05.800 And I, that I could see that being, the way he laid that out made sense that she, she,

00:43:10.100 cause in reality, if Epstein was alive, she probably would have cut a deal.

00:43:13.640 I wouldn't have been happy with that deal though.

00:43:15.520 No, but I don't think that's what he was saying.

00:43:18.240 He wasn't saying that.

00:43:19.520 Yeah.

00:43:19.700 He, that she would have cut a deal to make Epstein's, um, to, to get, make sure we got

00:43:24.440 a conviction more on Epstein.

00:43:25.780 Yeah.

00:43:26.180 And therefore she would have had a lighter sentence.

00:43:27.800 It might've been five years or less.

00:43:29.760 And that's probably true.

00:43:31.260 And I would have been, Epstein was the main target.

00:43:33.280 So I would have been maybe okay with that.

00:43:35.060 But, but a bottom line is they both should be in prison for a very, very long time.

00:43:38.960 And I, and again, I understand he's got legally, I mean, Alan Dershowitz cares about these

00:43:43.360 legal lines a lot more than I do.

00:43:45.260 Uh, you know, he, he can't say the things that, you know, he's a, he's an attorney in

00:43:49.520 this case, but we can say them.

00:43:51.480 And I, I'm, you know, frankly not thrilled with a deal with Ghislaine Maxwell, really for

00:43:56.860 any reason.

00:43:57.600 I can't imagine one I'd be happy about.

00:43:59.400 Not at all.

00:43:59.920 Not at all.

00:44:02.360 When I found out my friend got a great deal on a wool coat from winners, I started wondering,

00:44:07.540 is every fabulous item I see from winners like that woman over there with the designer 0.96

00:44:13.040 jeans.

00:44:13.580 Are those from winners?

00:44:15.420 Ooh, or those beautiful gold earrings.

00:44:17.860 Did she pay full price or that leather tote or that cashmere sweater or those knee high

00:44:22.060 boots, that dress, that jacket, those shoes.

00:44:25.180 Is anyone paying full price for anything?

00:44:28.400 Stop wondering, start winning.

00:44:30.520 Winners find fabulous for less.

The Glenn Beck Program - July 23, 2025

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Alan Dershowitz & David Barton ｜ 7⧸23⧸25

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