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On today's show, Glenn Beck explains how one document released by Tulsi Gabbard links everything, including the raid on Mar-A-Largo, the fake Steele dossier, and Hillary Clinton's health, all of it is exposed, and you can see the documents and understand it by listening to today's podcast.
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Hey, on the podcast, how one document that Tulsi Gabbard released today, right before we recorded the podcast, links everything, the raid on Mar-a-Lago, to the fake Steele dossier, and Obama and Hillary's connections, plus Hillary's health.
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All of it is exposed, and you can see the documents now at glenbeck.com and understand it by listening to today's podcast tonight.
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I'm also doing a chalkboard special on tying us all together so you can really understand it.
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Also, Alan Dershowitz on Epstein and David Barton on the Ten Commandments and why they matter.
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I received a what's called embargoed document early this morning.
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And it was embargoed until about two hours ago.
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And so we've spent the last two hours trying to go through it and understand what it says.
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And you're going to understand how important this document is in just a minute.
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And I'm going to show you tonight on chalkboard.
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I'll lay all of this out on a chalkboard tonight because it's hard to follow just by talking about it.
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Yeah, it's going to be it would be helpful to have the chalkboard.
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And by the way, if you can also get the exact documents online, glenbeck.com right now.
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So before you go on to the new information, I'm trying to see if I trace this back correctly.
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So before the election, Trump is there are these accusations against Trump, which are in the Steele dossier that everyone has inside the government.
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And they have already said there's nothing here.
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They then have a very surprised election result.
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So they were not planning on necessarily using this.
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And now afterward, they are trying to think about how to thwart Donald Trump as he becomes president.
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Get him out of office or at least just shut him down.
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They are planning on releasing a PDB to the president, which would be on record to everybody, including Trump and Flynn.
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And they then are, before that comes out, Obama or...
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They decide in that meeting that they are going to present this instead as actually the Russians are trying to help Trump.
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And the evidence for this is the Steele dossier.
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Which they all knew had been discredited or it would have been released earlier.
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They express those issues in writing and say, hey, this isn't...
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In writing, Brennan says, we don't have any new information.
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That new briefing finds its way into the New York Times the next day, right?
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Lays the groundwork for everything that happens after.
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So now, Obama says yesterday that, you know, there's nothing here.
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Well, that all falls apart when you see what they didn't put in.
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Remember, what they did was they said, Russia was in the bag for Donald Trump, and he's going
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to be a puppet because they have so much dirt on him as found in the Steele dossier.
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You have to read, just for history, you have to just look at it because there's probably
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only 25 people in the world that had seen this document.
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This document, there are only five paper copies.
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It is so top secret that it was not allowed to be put on any kind of digital format, and
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Donald Trump saw it at the end of his administration.
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This is the document that he said, I want that released.
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Remember, on his last day, he's like, I want this, I declassify it, and I want it released.
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And then after he left office, they didn't declassify it, and they didn't release it.
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And it is also most likely the document that they were looking for when they went to Mar-a-Lago
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because that Mar-a-Lago raid made no sense, made no sense.
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Every president, as you saw with Joe Biden, what, three days later, he had stuff in his
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And what they were looking for is this document.
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This document now is at glennbeck.com, released two hours ago.
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This is the highest level of top secret we have.
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The document details SVR, which is the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, and the reports
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from 2016 from Russia about the hacking of the DNC.
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Remember, they were hacked, and nobody could figure out who hacked them.
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And there was never anything about it, and everybody was like, well, that's no big deal.
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Well, in this report, it shows it was a very big deal because out of that hacking, the Russian
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Foreign Service, at least this is the information they got from intel on the Russian Foreign
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Service, that they had the intel now that Obama and the Democratic leaders were, and I'm quoting,
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extraordinarily alarmed about Clinton's health, calling it a potential serious negative impact
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Type 2 diabetes, ischemic heart disease, deep vein thrombosis, and chronic obstructive pulmonary
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Plus, listen to this, I'm quoting, intensified psycho-emotional problems, uncontrolled fits
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That last one is, I mean, I would have said this has no credibility at all.
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She was also, according to the intelligence that they got from the Russians based on the
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DNC hacks, she was allegedly also on heavy tranquilizers every day, obsessed with power,
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Russia also knew about the alleged secret meetings where Clinton allegedly offered State Department
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favors to religious groups for campaign support.
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Ethical standards, ethical scandals galore, including pressure on the FBI over her email
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Russia had all of this, all of this, and then we had the Steele dossier from a discredited
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FBI source that said Russia has pictures of him giving golden showers.
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Now, they are saying the Steele dossier, which they had already discredited, Obama says go back.
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They said, we have no new information, go back and use this and show that Russia was trying
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He was trying to help Hillary Clinton lose because he had all this dirt on Hillary Clinton,
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Whatever they're accusing us of doing, they're doing.
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The Russians actually had all the dirt from the DNC hacking, or at least we believed they
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had it from this official Russian report that they had all the dirt on Hillary Clinton.
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Now, if Putin was really trying to win, why wouldn't he drop these nukes?
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And they are trying to undermine democracy overall.
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They think Hillary Clinton is going to win, and they think that this is going to be good
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They're also, according to sources, they're also kind of afraid of her because she seems
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He says that Russian actions showed they have a clear preference for Trump, but they admit
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all of the reports from Putin's advisors warning a Trump win could mean a Republican Congress
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Remember we said Donald Trump is more, he's stronger on Russia than any president has been
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He's really strong against Russia and compared to anybody else.
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Remember, Hillary Clinton was like, I'm going to do a reset.
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The Steele dossier is then shoehorning it being shoehorned in to this document as additional
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Despite the CIA vets who are going into Brennan's office on the record, we have documents proving
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This is, this is DNC opposition research, unverifiable hearsay, fabricated claims, regurgitated
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Steele has been fired from the FBI because he was lying to the FBI.
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And you can't, you're going to, you're going to misrepresent it as legitimate intel from
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an FBI source with a layered network and admit all bias, all the payments, all of the sub
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And we are going to also not include the stuff that we know they have from the DNC hack about
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Brennan's response to his team is, yeah, but on Donald Trump, doesn't that ring true?
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So, Obama orders the new guidance, limited coordination, no broad peer review at all, and to publish
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Now, Obama denies all of it, but today, only five copies existed, only in paper, and they
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were all in the most confidential safe of the United States government and released two
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If you were actually doing something, you could say, we have this from the Steele dossier,
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but we also have this that we know Russia has on Hillary Clinton, but they don't do that.
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Instead, they say, Trump's a Russia puppet, and completely leave out that what they're really
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wanting is to be the puppeteer of Hillary Clinton.
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Does the president, the former president of the United States, instructing the CIA to change
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course, to allow them and encourage them to leave out really important facts, use something
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that had already been discredited, and then, within a few hours, before any of this had
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been done, start a whisper campaign and leak to the New York Times that CIA officials are
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now looking into some pretty serious charges about Donald Trump?
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This was planned and coordinated, and it goes all the way to Mar-a-Lago, because this is the
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They did not want him to release this document.
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But don't worry, if we get it out of his hands, which he didn't have, if we get it out of his
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hands, well, we'll put him in jail, so he'll never be able to tell this story anyway.
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And DNI, Tulsi Gabbard, comes out today and releases this document.
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It's all at glennbeck.com, and we'll have the full chalkboard on this tonight at 9 o'clock,
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So, you were speaking in front of the House here in Texas, and there was one representative,
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Democrat, who is, some people say, is going to be the reason if Texas ever goes blue, it'll
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And he was just arguing that you are just a religious zealot, and that you don't know
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You're just trying to indoctrinate our children into your religion by having the Ten Commandments
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You know, that's a great way to get off the subject, is to start attacking personalities,
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which is what they do, because they can't win on the subject.
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On the subject matter itself, and it's James Talaferos who you're talking about.
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So, he said this is unconstitutional and un-American.
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Un-American, sorry, the very first textbook ever used in American schools has 40 questions
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for first graders on the Ten Commandments, and that was used all the way through the 1930s.
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So, we're talking two and a half centuries of Ten Commandments in first grade classrooms,
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The preface to the Ten Commandments is, in their words, I am the Lord thy God, which is brought
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thou out of the land of Egypt and out of the land of bondage.
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What did the preface to that commandment teach us?
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120 million sold across two and a half centuries, Ten Commandments, and McGuffey's readers.
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So, now we're in second grade, and we're having the Ten Commandments taught there.
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But wait, did they have to memorize the date the Ten Commandments were found?
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Forget about the Ten Commandments, but it was found on this date.
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So, to say it's un-American, sorry, that doesn't hold up.
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You know, we had that debate with him that night in the legislature, and it clearly is the
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The Supreme Court came back and said, look, we went through 50 years of getting things
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We're back to what they call the history and tradition test.
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If you can show something that's historical and traditional, the court said, we're going
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There's not many things you can show to be more traditional and historical than Ten Commandments.
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And that honestly makes sense, because the guys who wrote the Constitution…
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They, for generations, were putting this into their classrooms.
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I think it's so important to not look at this as a religious document.
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But not to look at this as a religious document, but just as a document of society.
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If you don't have, you know, thou shall not have other gods before thee, before me, that
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That means, don't worship anything except for a real truth.
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Don't worship, you know, people or anything else.
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It's good, and it is interesting, even looking back at Founding Father South, when they talked
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about the Ten Commandments, it's the basis of our culture.
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And you have to have a common morality for any nation to exist.
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He says, if thou shall not covet, and thou shall not steal, two of the Ten Commandments,
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were not the commandments of heaven, they must be made the inviolable precepts in every
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society before it can be civilized or made free.
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If you don't live by these precepts, you can't be a free society.
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And so, we have that from so many Founding Fathers, James, Wilson.
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That means, don't say, look at those rich people over there.
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We actually have 300 court cases that cite the Ten Commandments as the reason for our
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And the one you just said, don't covet, that was actually cited by federal courts as the
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reason the takings clause was put in the Constitution.
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Even the government can't take it unless it pays for it.
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And so, the government's to be bound by the Ten Commandments as well.
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And you have court case after court case saying that?
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The laws against defamation come out of the Ten Commandments.
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The laws against election fraud are based on the Ten Commandments.
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And that's what election fraud is, is stealing.
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They say the laws against white-collar crime and embezzlement.
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And they even say the modern forms of cattle rustling are laws against cattle rustling on
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So, there's so – I mean, 300 court cases cite the Ten Commandments, and somehow we're
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not going to let kids see what's been cited over 300 times in the courts as the basis of
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Well, he said to you that this was idolatrous, exclusionary, and arrogant.
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And he referenced Matthew 6-5, which, if I'm not mistaken, Matthew 6-5 is like, hey, when
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You don't want to – how does Matthew 6-5 apply to putting the Ten Commandments in your
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Well, let's go back to the first part, too, because it's idolatrous.
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This is back to, are you smarter than the first grader?
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So, the first grade, it points out that the first and second commandment prohibit idolatry.
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So, how is the Ten Commandments idolatrous if it prohibits idolatry?
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Well, maybe because you're making a graven image of these things.
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Yeah, who knows what progressive thinking is because it's not logical.
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But within that framework, it clearly is – all right, let's take the thing you just
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How come Jesus prayed so often in the open and did miracles in the open and did his teachings
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And Jesus didn't do what he did to be seen, but he was not private in what he did.
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And you can't – you know, you could say the same thing about, you know, their religion
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It's not because they're, you know, doing anything other than they believe that you have
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And so, kids, you know, these ideas are not just passed on naturally.
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You have to teach the right things or teach the wrong things.
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You can't just hide these and expect the society just to get it.
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And I think it's interesting that, you know, as Talifera was quoting that one verse from
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Jesus, in Matthew 19, Jesus told the civil ruler, the rich young ruler, to keep the commandments.
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So there's an instruction to the civil area, keep the commandments.
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And so where Talifera tries to say religion is on one side and government's on the other
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and the two should never meet, if you're going to – and he gets into something where
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he talks about you need parental consent for this kind of stuff.
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So my question is, do we need parental consent to read George Washington's farewell address
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Do we need parental consent to read the Mayflower Compact because it's pretty religious?
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Do we need parental consent to do Patrick Henry's Give Me Liberty, Give Me Death
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This is why communists always snuff out the religion first.
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Communists and fascists snuff the religion out because those are the people that will stand
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Because they believe it comes from God, a higher purpose, and they have a responsibility.
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And you can do what you want to them, but a lot of them end up standing and saying, you're
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going to have to kill me because I know who I serve.
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You know, even the story you were covering earlier with all the stuff that's come out
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now about what was happening in Russia, I'm going to go back to the Ten Commandments on
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that because if you're God conscious, it changes your behavior.
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You and I know that we're going to stand before God and answer for what we do, and we're not
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going to do the stuff that they did because it doesn't matter what the FBI gets us, it's
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And you have a much more civilized nation when you have that.
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It's interesting that in the time frame when we were teaching the Ten Commandments for
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all those centuries, if you go back to New York, and James Kent, founding father, he
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was in charge of the courts of New York, he talks about how just disappointed he was on
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Over a 16-year period, they had eight murders over 16 years.
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That's a murder every other year, and that's a crime wave back then?
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You know, think about how different the culture was.
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Man, you get 16 murders in a weekend easy on one street corner pretty much in New York City.
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And it's so different, and that God consciousness makes a real difference in people's behavior.
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The farther we get from God, the more hollowed out our children have become.
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If you take away God, you really take away purpose, and you can fill it with, I've got to
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save the planet, you know, but that all rings hollow.
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Alan Dershowitz, professor emeritus of the Harvard Law School, host of The Dershow, and
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the author of a new book called The Preventative State.
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Uh, so I heard you, uh, the other day say, uh, uh, uh, Jelaine Maxwell is the Rosetta
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She was his girlfriend, uh, him with everybody.
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She made all the arrangements for people to come visit him, to fly on his plane, to go
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to the island, to go to his home in New Mexico, to go to his home in New York, in Paris.
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Uh, she has records that will show who he was with.
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I probably know after her, I probably know as much as anybody else, uh, because I was
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And, uh, I told him he had to tell me the truth about everything if he wanted to get
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And so I assume he did tell me, for example, if he had been a spy for the CIA or for the
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Mossad, I would be the first person he ever told because that would have helped him get
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And of course he told me he was not anything like that, but she knows much more than I
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So if she is willing to disclose everything, then I think we'll get to the bottom of this
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She's facing, you know, she's in jail for 20 years.
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Uh, it's not going to be her word against anybody else's.
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They may be, uh, in a vault somewhere, but, uh, it's always, uh, uh, distrust and verify
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So, uh, the government knows how to make deals.
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I've, I've participated in deal making the years.
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I think it was Abby Hoffman who once said in the halls of justice, the only justice is
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in the halls because that's where the deals get taken.
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And so it's constantly the case where mafia killers are having reduced sentences in exchange
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Uh, corporate, uh, thieves are given, uh, immunity or given reduced sentences in order
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Look, when I used to teach criminal law at Harvard Law School, I would tell them if you're going
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to commit a crime, there's one rule, always commit a crime with somebody more important
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than you are so that you can turn them in and they can't turn you in.
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And so there's no reason not to make a deal with Ghislaine Maxwell.
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She's already served five years, which is longer than anybody has ever served to this,
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And so I mean, wait, she was grooming a thousand girls.
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Well, there's no, no information about no evidence about that.
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The evidence is that she, uh, arranged for, uh, people to come and give massages.
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We don't know whether she was aware of the nature of the massages because he kept his
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But even if so, um, you know, look at, uh, look at, uh, you know, Sean Combs, how much
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And he's gonna, you know, probably get far less than, uh, than, than five years, five years,
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And, uh, if you can exchange, uh, a couple of years, uh, freedom for all the information
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that you need, it's probably a deal that's worth it.
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And why did she get 20 years when others don't ever see that?
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You know, he would have gotten the 20 years had he stayed alive, but because he died,
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And so she got a sentence way in excess of what she would normally get.
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If he had stayed alive, government would have made a deal with her.
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And, um, he would have gone to jail for the 20 or maybe 30 years, life imprisonment because
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Uh, uh, and, and, and, uh, she would have gotten nothing, but because she had nobody
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Uh, she got prosecuted, convicted and sentenced to the 20 years.
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So normally she would not, uh, usually people who are in that position are the ones who testify.
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So, um, you say a grand jury would not, would not lead to anything, but this might.
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This would definitely grand jury wouldn't because grand jury testimony is always tailored in
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the narrowest possible way to provide just the minimum information necessary to indict.
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They don't want to give, uh, the defendant other information.
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So I don't think you're going to find much in the grand jury, but you will find a lot in
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the information that has been sealed by the three federal judges.
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You're going to find a lot of false accusations.
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Let me give you an example, give you an example of two women.
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And during the run-up to the 2016 election, she wrote, uh, I don't know, 50 or 60 emails
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to Maureen Callahan at the New York Post in which she swore that she had videotapes of
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Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, Richard Branson, all having sex with children.
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Um, they investigated and found that it wasn't true and she eventually admitted it was totally
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So if you're going to produce the names of the people she accused, you have to also produce
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what her background or take another woman named Maria Farmer.
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Uh, she was on CNN the other day as if she was the angel Gabriel testifying truthfully,
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but she has a history of lying and making up stories about people.
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I have them in my possession in which she said there were no Jews killed in the Holocaust.
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The Jews killed everybody else in the Holocaust.
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And, and, and she is the one that CNN is interviewing, uh, without giving any explanation about, uh,
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So what's happened is we've heard one side of the story.
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We know that there are accusations against, uh, Bill Richardson, the former ambassador against
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George Mitchell, against, uh, a Barack against the granddaughter of, uh, Jacques Cousteau.
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So what we don't know is whether any of these allegations are true.
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Now, do you, do you know, I mean, I know you can't say anything because of, but have you seen
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And I know, for example, a few obscure people who nobody ever heard of, and there's very substantial
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evidence that maybe they did have a consensual sex with, uh, young girls, um, maybe some,
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uh, above the age of consent, maybe some below.
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I know involving Donald Trump or Bill Clinton or Bill Gates, or any of the people who have
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otherwise been accused whose names are well-known.
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I don't know of anything that would corroborate that.
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I know of a lot of false accusations by people who shouldn't be believed.
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But if you're going to release the names of the accused, you have to also, uh, release
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the information about the accusers, because there are many accusers out there who never
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They just collected money, uh, by making false accusations and their lawyers collected money.
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So this is a deep scandal, uh, which is complex and gray area.
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And although obviously the villain of the piece is Jeffrey Epstein, there are other villains
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There's also some mixed story for women who were victims and then they became perpetrators.
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Uh, they went out and solicited 14 and 15 year olds for Jeffrey Epstein and got paid to
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And if we're going to get to the whole truth, we got to make sure we get to the whole truth,
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including the role of, um, some of the people who have made accusations.
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So if she testifies, it will be behind closed doors.
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I think initially it would be behind closed doors, but then you would have, um, look,
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From day one, I want everything to be out there.
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I don't think anybody should be protected here.
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Let the public decide who's telling the truth, but only after they hear all the information.
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When they hear that, um, you know, Maria Farmer, uh, is an anti-Semite Holocaust denier and that
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she accuses, um, you know, Jewish people of doing terrible things.
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Uh, you know, she doesn't believe that the Holocaust occurs.
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Maybe she didn't believe that, uh, uh, there were false accusations too.
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She lied herself as well as, um, uh, Sarah Ransom.
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So let's get to the bottom of everything, every single thing.
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If a deal is made with Glenn Maxwell, it will happen.
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If you're her attorney, what are you saying you hold out for?
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Commutation, time served, um, probation, maybe, uh, something that gives her something in exchange
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I, we have to schedule you for a podcast for your book.
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I mean, I think he, I don't know how he does it.
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I, I, I don't think I could be, well, I know I couldn't, I couldn't be an attorney
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and then know that guy is dirty, dirty, dirty, and not say anything.
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So he's talking about it in a way that an attorney talks about it.
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And he's also, by the way, been what, by all appearances, falsely accused of terrible things.
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The idea that Jillian Maxwell went out and just was recruiting 14 year olds for massages
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and had no idea what was going on is completely insane to me.
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I, I don't, I, again, I, I understand what he, the point he's making, but man, I, I, if
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we care about 14 year olds being sexually abused, a deal cannot, cannot result in Jelaine,
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Jelaine Maxwell, whatever her frigging name is, uh, having a, being released or having
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I mean, I don't, I don't think five years is a lot at all.
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Cause I, I don't believe that she didn't, there's no way she didn't know.
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She was, he just, he started by saying she knows everything.
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Again, he's in a tough spot here because he, he has attorney client privilege.
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So I understand that his lines, but I'm, I'm just taking it out of that context and
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Uh, I mean, it would be good to have all the information, but I don't think it's not
00:41:18.780
going to solve anything, especially if it's behind closed doors.
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It's not going to solve anything because I would say if this were reversed and it was
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Joe Biden or whatever, and Hunter Biden was rumored Hunter Biden's on that list.
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And then she comes up and Joe Biden's in office and he gives her a pardon.
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And she says, even truthfully, Hunter Biden's not on that list.
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So put yourself in the shoes of the other side.
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I mean, I I'll, I'll fight on that ship that Donald Trump did nothing with 14 year
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Uh, I'll fight on that ship until the day I die.
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Um, but I, I, I don't think it's helpful for her to come out and say, and he definitely
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Anything that Ghislaine Maxwell says is going to change the, anybody's opinion or outcome
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The one trust, she was telling 14 year old girls, it's going to be okay.
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However, the one way we can make sure that we worsen the situation of making sure that,
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uh, people who do these types of things, grooming and, and more are, uh, um, are not punished.
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The one, one way we can be sure we're going the wrong direction is to make sure someone
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That's the one thing we can all come together and say we should not want.
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I don't know what, I don't know what she was charged with.
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Um, so, I mean, his point may be for what she was charged with.
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He was basically saying what she was charged with is worth about five years, but what she
00:43:05.800
And I, that I could see that being, the way he laid that out made sense that she, she,
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cause in reality, if Epstein was alive, she probably would have cut a deal.
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I wouldn't have been happy with that deal though.
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No, but I don't think that's what he was saying.
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He, that she would have cut a deal to make Epstein's, um, to, to get, make sure we got
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And therefore she would have had a lighter sentence.
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And I would have been, Epstein was the main target.
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But, but a bottom line is they both should be in prison for a very, very long time.
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And I, and again, I understand he's got legally, I mean, Alan Dershowitz cares about these
00:43:45.260
Uh, you know, he, he can't say the things that, you know, he's a, he's an attorney in
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And I, I'm, you know, frankly not thrilled with a deal with Ghislaine Maxwell, really for
00:44:02.360
When I found out my friend got a great deal on a wool coat from winners, I started wondering,
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is every fabulous item I see from winners like that woman over there with the designer
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Did she pay full price or that leather tote or that cashmere sweater or those knee high