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00:00:00.000 Hello, it's Monday, what a Monday it is, after the big MAGA March, which was fantastic.

00:00:05.400 Just so happy to see all of these people out.

00:00:09.720 Unfortunately, there was violence, the media.

00:00:12.640 There wasn't a million people, and the ones that were there, they were violent.

00:00:17.740 No, they actually weren't, but there was violence, we talked about it today.

00:00:21.960 And kind of got into a little tiff, I guess, with some of the listeners

00:00:26.200 who think I'm wrong about violence, and the use of violence.

00:00:32.300 I don't know, you decide.

00:00:34.000 Also, I set Stu off today.

00:00:36.740 You're welcome, America.

00:00:38.440 Had him talk a little bit about Andrew Cuomo.

00:00:40.800 That's all you have to really say, is Andrew Cuomo, and that sets me off.

00:00:43.840 What Andrew Cuomo is doing in New York now, I mean, as you said on the air,

00:00:48.780 Stu, I didn't think he could make things worse.

00:00:52.840 He just has.

00:00:54.680 He just has.

00:00:56.460 We have that.

00:00:57.540 Also, Alan Dershowitz talks about the path to victory for Donald Trump,

00:01:03.500 which was shocking to me.

00:01:06.100 Absolutely shocking.

00:01:07.380 I think you'll be shocked as well.

00:01:09.220 All that and more on today's podcast.

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00:01:16.360 Have you been reading up in the Dominion software stuff?

00:01:33.500 Yeah, I've heard some of it.

00:01:34.520 Again, it'll be interesting to see what they can come up with.

00:01:37.300 You know, it's a tough road, but I think they're going to do everything they can,

00:01:41.180 and they luckily have lots of resources to do it.

00:01:43.400 I keep reading that everything's been debunked with Dominion software.

00:01:47.700 It's all completely and thoroughly debunked, and yet I haven't seen any debunking about it.

00:01:55.500 Will you do me a favor?

00:01:56.880 Let me see if I can pull this up real quick.

00:01:58.520 I want you to go to the Dominion Wikipedia page and just look for the recent changes, okay?

00:02:12.940 Here's what I find interesting.

00:02:16.880 The stuff that has removed or has been changed all in just...

00:02:26.280 Let me see if I can go for the next 100.

00:02:31.560 There are...

00:02:33.280 What is that?

00:02:35.320 Okay, so...

00:02:36.180 There is at least 75.

00:02:39.100 There's...

00:02:39.420 Look at this.

00:02:39.800 This is all the changes just in November.

00:02:45.480 Look at this.

00:02:46.500 November 16th, all of these changes were made to their page, deleting stuff.

00:02:53.080 Do you see this?

00:02:53.640 There's got to be 75 changes that have been made, and the American thinker has come out

00:03:03.980 with some things where they were at the page before things were deleted.

00:03:09.920 For instance, the origins of Dominion in Venezuela and with Cuba, gone now.

00:03:17.640 If you look at the things that have been deleted, and a lot of them...

00:03:24.680 I mean, this is all coming from the left editing out.

00:03:29.280 I mean, Wikipedia is bogus, but all of a sudden there was this great interest to make sure

00:03:33.980 that some of this stuff didn't appear on Wikipedia at all.

00:03:38.720 Yeah, one of the interesting things about the Dominion thing, I think, is that it was really

00:03:42.240 the left who were pushing that for a long time.

00:03:45.420 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:45.960 In 2019?

00:03:46.560 Yeah, and so last year they were saying that.

00:03:48.880 So here's the problem.

00:03:49.880 Here's the problem.

00:03:51.220 If you tweet right now that just that story, that the Democrats were all over it, you will

00:04:01.380 be flagged by Twitter.

00:04:03.300 Oh, my gosh.

00:04:04.300 That this is in dispute.

00:04:05.480 It's unreal.

00:04:06.040 Excuse me.

00:04:07.000 This is the video of the Democrats saying that.

00:04:10.260 Jeez.

00:04:11.060 I mean, it is absolutely amazing.

00:04:13.580 By the way, that's why we're switching over to Parler.

00:04:18.100 I just started an account.

00:04:20.380 Apparently, there's several Glenn Beck's on Parler.

00:04:23.660 I've been saying all sorts of stuff under your name for a while over there.

00:04:26.640 Yeah.

00:04:26.920 People hate you.

00:04:28.180 I saw one. 0.52

00:04:28.940 Somebody sent one to me and said, you effing Trump supporters just need to.

00:04:36.240 It was like so clearly not me.

00:04:38.860 But people were like, is this Glenn Beck?

00:04:41.020 Is he drinking again?

00:04:42.540 The answer to that one is, I wish.

00:04:45.280 Oh, they had you say, you yelling at effing Trump supporters.

00:04:48.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:49.660 That's an odd choice for you.

00:04:52.080 Yeah, it'd be an odd choice.

00:04:52.520 Yeah.

00:04:52.780 But anyway, we're over there.

00:04:54.320 And we're just going to take a random selection of anybody who signs up today and comes over

00:05:01.580 to Parler and follows me on Parler.

00:05:05.800 You'll get one of two three-year subscriptions to Blaze TV.

00:05:11.780 Three years.

00:05:12.320 Oh, OK.

00:05:12.680 Three years.

00:05:13.280 That's great.

00:05:14.080 It's a prison sentence when I tell you that Stu is on that program.

00:05:17.440 Yeah.

00:05:17.780 It's on Blaze TV.

00:05:18.880 So is Pat Gray Unleashed, by the way.

00:05:20.660 Which is like a lessening of that prison sentence, wouldn't you say?

00:05:24.080 Yeah, I would.

00:05:24.540 So you two are getting up against me on this one?

00:05:26.480 Yep, yep, yep.

00:05:27.480 You got it.

00:05:27.880 You got it.

00:05:29.520 So, Pat, what is in your pipe that you want to smoke?

00:05:33.640 I'm trying not to smoke anymore.

00:05:36.060 I've been doing too much of that.

00:05:37.420 You know, like you, I was talking extensively today about the Million Man March that wasn't

00:05:43.520 a million people.

00:05:46.120 There was nowhere near a million people in that march.

00:05:51.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:05:54.540 You remember the Million Man March that had about 18 people?

00:06:00.940 Nobody said it then.

00:06:03.480 But the violence that was perpetrated, because all day long, the Trump supporters were completely

00:06:10.160 peaceful.

00:06:10.800 What were they doing?

00:06:11.700 They were singing songs and waving flags, and they were having a good time, and they were

00:06:17.420 getting along with each other.

00:06:18.600 And then as soon as the evening came, and the Antifa people and the BLM people came out 0.99

00:06:25.640 and started sucker punching, and going after moms who were pushing their kids in strollers, 1.00

00:06:32.320 and it was just unbelievable.

00:06:34.860 Incredible.

00:06:35.360 Just unbelievable to me how, and nobody cares.

00:06:39.000 CNN's not covering that.

00:06:40.460 MSNBC's not covering that.

00:06:41.820 It just didn't happen, according to them.

00:06:43.380 That is the greatest thing.

00:06:46.560 They really, truly believe if they don't publish it, it didn't happen.

00:06:51.160 And in some cases, it's kind of true.

00:06:52.860 It is true now that they have control of social media.

00:06:55.960 Yeah.

00:06:56.280 Now that social media is controlling things.

00:06:59.720 Did you see that there is a new poll out that shows people who voted for Biden, when they're

00:07:10.500 informed about the questions of Biden and Hunter in China, say they wouldn't have voted for

00:07:17.840 Joe Biden.

00:07:19.500 See that?

00:07:20.440 I mean, if that's not election fraud, I don't know what is.

00:07:24.960 I mean, how do we, how do you possibly fight things?

00:07:28.780 I don't, honestly, I don't know where to post truth.

00:07:34.580 I can't go to Fox News.

00:07:35.780 Did you see the Fox News reporter this weekend that was going after?

00:07:40.380 Yeah.

00:07:40.620 Can we play this?

00:07:41.480 This is amazing.

00:07:42.840 What do you want to have happen with those 700,000 votes?

00:07:45.620 The ballots are already mixed in.

00:07:46.460 This is the Fox reporter.

00:07:47.480 Do you just want 700,000 votes deducted from Biden's total?

00:07:49.980 We want to make sure that conversation happens.

00:07:53.080 You're trying to say this is done and over.

00:07:54.880 I'm not.

00:07:55.440 I'm not saying this is done and over.

00:07:57.020 I'm asking you where you're going to find the votes to pull ahead.

00:08:00.440 Where are the votes to pull ahead?

00:08:03.100 This is now my third time to try to get this answer out.

00:08:06.300 The legal path ahead exists here because there are clear constitutional violations that ahead.

00:08:11.380 They're laughing.

00:08:12.040 Keep snarking.

00:08:12.720 Oh, it's so mocking.

00:08:13.900 Aaron, Aaron, take me through.

00:08:16.100 I get it.

00:08:16.560 I get it.

00:08:17.220 Aaron, you're not answering the question.

00:08:19.060 You're trying to run up a Russia hoax against the president.

00:08:19.800 It's very simple.

00:08:20.920 Stop.

00:08:21.780 I can't listen anymore.

00:08:23.020 I mean, that's every bit a CNN interview.

00:08:25.640 It is.

00:08:26.220 Every bit.

00:08:26.960 Fox is gone.

00:08:28.580 Yeah.

00:08:28.740 If you are still listening to Fox, I mean, honestly, the only place I can go now on TV is us, Newsmax.

00:08:39.520 I mean, I just I use us.

00:08:41.820 I don't know who else to go to that.

00:08:43.640 I feel like really will tell the truth, even if I don't like it.

00:08:50.060 I mean, where do you go?

00:08:52.440 There is no there's no place to watch.

00:08:54.440 Yeah.

00:08:54.720 Except here.

00:08:55.640 Yeah.

00:08:55.900 Except here.

00:08:56.940 And where are the votes going to come from?

00:08:58.840 To answer Leland's question, who I've never seen before.

00:09:01.760 I don't know who that guy is.

00:09:03.100 Are you familiar with him?

00:09:04.440 No, I don't.

00:09:05.040 I don't think I've ever seen him.

00:09:05.920 No, I stopped watching Fox, though, like, yeah, I did two years ago, three years ago.

00:09:09.620 But in answer to his question of where the Trump votes are going to come from, they're going to come from like vote switching.

00:09:13.740 If that did happen with the Dominion machines, they're going to come from dead people not voting.

00:09:18.660 They're going to come from people not voting twice or 20 times or 30 times.

00:09:22.840 That's that's where the Trump votes come from.

00:09:25.320 I think the Dominion thing is really interesting.

00:09:27.740 Did you see, by the way, I was with Barry Loudermilk on Friday and we were talking about what's happening in Georgia.

00:09:36.380 He's the senator from Georgia and we're talking about what's happening in Georgia.

00:09:39.980 And he said the the AG in Georgia is out of control.

00:09:43.160 He's a Republican, but has been negotiating with Democrats without consulting the Republicans at all.

00:09:49.480 And he said there was a report before the election, like a week before, two weeks before the election from door knockers for Trump up in these very, very Democratic areas in Pennsylvania.

00:10:06.720 And they were going door to door and they were talking about Trump and this Democratic area has now become very pro Trump.

00:10:13.680 And so that's a lot of people who are on the Democratic roles, but now are voting for Donald Trump.

00:10:21.800 And they were told in several out by several houses that they were getting calls from the Democratic Party telling them they were going to send them a Georgia ballot that they could vote in Georgia.

00:10:36.960 And they were like, no, but I've never been to Georgia.

00:10:39.760 I don't live in Georgia.

00:10:40.820 I've never.

00:10:41.740 And they're like, you know, it's OK now you can.

00:10:44.640 We're going to send it to you.

00:10:45.540 You can vote.

00:10:46.360 OK, now.

00:10:48.700 OK, so this was this was reported to the attorney general of or the secretary secretary of state, I think of Georgia.

00:10:58.300 And he didn't investigate it, not a single according to all the people underneath him.

00:11:04.460 He didn't even make a phone call to follow up.

00:11:08.800 And Loudermilk himself, I believe, was one of them that reported it and said, you know, you got to at least check into it.

00:11:16.120 Well, he didn't he didn't make a single phone call.

00:11:19.240 Nothing.

00:11:19.960 According to all the people involved in people in his office, he may be forced to resign for dereliction of duty.

00:11:26.720 We don't know if that happened, but you had a serious look into you have a serious crime reported before the election and you did nothing.

00:11:36.000 Yeah.

00:11:37.600 Yeah.

00:11:38.020 Loudermilk was in the House, by the way, not a Senate.

00:11:39.900 Oh, he's in the House.

00:11:41.620 Did you also see that we've I mean, speaking of the House, we have it looks like we're going to have a net gain of.

00:11:48.140 Well, Republicans are going to have a net gain of 10 congressmen.

00:11:51.560 Yeah, it looks like at least.

00:11:53.340 Yeah.

00:11:53.600 I mean, it's at least this is what's I mean.

00:11:55.480 And look, a lot of people are bringing this up.

00:11:57.360 It's like this is one of the things I think that people are questioning on the whole fraud thing, because the Republicans did really well.

00:12:03.760 They did really well.

00:12:04.560 There's much better than expected overall.

00:12:06.520 Yeah.

00:12:06.660 Yeah.

00:12:06.980 It looks like Democrats are going to have potentially the smallest House margin since like World War Two when it comes to, you know, this this scenario,

00:12:17.500 this type of scenario where they're I mean, when you win and when you knock out an incumbent president, if that's wind up winds up being what happens here, that you usually have a big margin.

00:12:28.420 I mean, look at Obama came in with this massive margin.

00:12:30.720 Right.

00:12:31.040 Control of the House and the Senate and 60 senators.

00:12:34.000 Remember this?

00:12:34.880 Yeah.

00:12:35.080 Like this.

00:12:35.540 We are in a totally different world.

00:12:37.080 I mean, as much as the Democrats want to say that the American people are with them, the American people keep saying over and over again.

00:12:44.300 No, we're not.

00:12:44.680 No, we're not.

00:12:45.860 Here's the here's the again.

00:12:47.520 The problem that I have is you're telling me that Joe Biden got how many millions of votes more than Barack Obama did in 08?

00:12:57.420 Well, that would be consistent with a very high intensity election on both sides.

00:13:01.200 Do you remember 08?

00:13:02.460 That was.

00:13:02.960 I know, but that was a high.

00:13:03.860 It was a watershed.

00:13:04.880 It was, you know, and again, there was the same type of thing where where John McCain had very little momentum behind him or very little interest.

00:13:12.840 And I think the same is true with Biden.

00:13:14.560 I think, though, that Donald Trump after four years is very much a part of everyone's life.

00:13:20.060 Everyone has a strong opinion on him.

00:13:21.600 And so, like, I think the the motivation for the left to come out in droves was to get him out of office.

00:13:27.900 I mean, they're burning down cities over the guy.

00:13:30.420 You know, they had a lot of passion to get him out of office.

00:13:33.720 And those don't usually look to me like the ones who go and vote, though.

00:13:37.220 It's not like they take off their mask and like, I'm going to be a responsible citizen now.

00:13:41.640 Incredibly well organized.

00:13:42.980 Yeah, no, they are.

00:13:43.660 And remember, it's not just Antifa members burning down cities.

00:13:46.620 Yeah.

00:13:46.880 These are this had gone much, much more widespread.

00:13:50.280 And remember, there were massive riots and rallies before the city started burning down.

00:13:56.420 I want to leave you with one thing.

00:14:00.240 AT&T reportedly is shopping CNN.

00:14:06.780 Selling at the high point, I guess.

00:14:08.040 They're selling it.

00:14:08.800 Yeah.

00:14:09.280 They like to buy high, sell low.

00:14:10.920 So it looks like and one of the one of the investors, somebody who they're targeting.

00:14:19.060 Jeff Bezos of The Washington Post.

00:14:21.900 Oh, that's going to.

00:14:22.600 So things aren't going to get better.

00:14:24.340 It's going to get more fair.

00:14:25.260 Things are not going to get better.

00:14:30.460 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:14:33.380 Mr. Alan Dershowitz joins us now.

00:14:45.400 He is a professor emeritus of Harvard Law School and a host of The Dershow, wherever you get your podcast.

00:14:55.080 Alan Dershowitz, welcome.

00:14:57.280 Well, thank you so much, Glenn.

00:14:58.540 Thanks for having me.

00:14:59.320 So tell me what your thoughts are on the election and how it's being handled right now.

00:15:08.500 Well, there are two kinds of lawsuits.

00:15:11.420 There are the wholesale and the retail.

00:15:13.720 The wholesale is reflected in the Pennsylvania case, where you have a legal challenge, a crystal clear legal challenge.

00:15:22.540 The legislature said that ballots that are submitted before Election Day have to be received before the end of Election Day.

00:15:30.340 The courts said no.

00:15:32.180 There are three extra days.

00:15:33.900 The Constitution says only the legislature can make those decisions, not the courts.

00:15:39.040 So that's a clean, clear, wholesale constitutional issue that the Supreme Court could resolve in a week.

00:15:46.880 The case has already been filed in the Supreme Court.

00:15:50.200 It just has to be refiled.

00:15:52.760 And I think this Supreme Court would probably rule in favor of President Trump on that issue.

00:15:59.240 So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:16:00.120 How how does how would somebody rule against the Constitution is clear?

00:16:06.280 It's the legislature.

00:16:07.440 And they didn't the Supreme Court already rule in another case that the legislature had to do it and and not the state officials.

00:16:17.520 Yeah.

00:16:18.380 And Bush versus Gore, they kind of suggested that.

00:16:22.460 And there was a four to four vote previously on the Pennsylvania case.

00:16:26.840 And Justice Alito asked, demanded that the votes that came in late after the close of Election Day had to be segregated, strongly implying that the court would rule in that direction.

00:16:40.100 Look, there is a legal argument on the other side.

00:16:42.180 The legal argument would go something like this.

00:16:44.360 Of course, the Constitution says the legislature has to do it.

00:16:47.920 But traditionally, courts interpret legislation.

00:16:52.000 The answer to that is this wasn't really an interpretation.

00:16:54.540 This was an expansion in light of covid and probably the court would rule that that expansion would have to come from the legislative, not the judicial branch.

00:17:05.480 But the question is, does that get him enough votes right now?

00:17:09.700 It seems like he may be as much as 60,000 votes behind.

00:17:13.500 So the number of disputed ballots under this particular law has to exceed 60,000 before it could turn around the election.

00:17:22.400 Now, if you combine that wholesale attack with some retail attacks by retail, I mean, you know, a few fraudulent ballots here and there, dead people voting, people who moved out of the state voting.

00:17:35.560 You could conceivably get to a point where the Pennsylvania vote would go the other way.

00:17:41.680 Now, you'd need more than that, because the goal of the Trump legal team is not to give Trump 270 votes.

00:17:48.500 That's out of the question. The goal is to keep Biden from getting 270 so that the election is thrown into the House of Representatives.

00:17:57.780 The way to stop Biden from getting 270, according to the legal team, would be to have challenges in enough states, Pennsylvania, Georgia, maybe Arizona, Nevada, to bring him from 305 to 268, 267.

00:18:13.700 If he doesn't get 270, it goes to the House, and the House votes by delegation.

00:18:19.900 That is, each state gets one vote, and there are now more Republican delegations than there are Democratic delegations.

00:18:26.340 So that's the theory. I'm not saying I'm advocating it. I'm not saying I think it will win.

00:18:31.460 I'm just telling you that's the only route to victory at this point that I can see.

00:18:37.040 Wow. So, Alan, you're saying that the Trump legal team says that their theory is they cannot get to 270 electoral votes?

00:18:45.940 I'm just speculating. I don't see how they could get affirmatively to 270, but they don't need it.

00:18:52.500 All they need is to stop Biden from getting 270. That's the key.

00:18:56.320 That's what happened in 1824 in the Andrew Jackson, John Quincy Adams matter.

00:19:03.160 That's what happened, essentially, when we had the Tilden Hayes dispute.

00:19:07.400 There were three instances in the 19th century where something like this happened.

00:19:12.800 And then, of course, if you follow through the Jackson Adams 1824, what happens?

00:19:18.560 Jackson loses that, even though he won the popular and the electoral vote.

00:19:22.000 And then for the next four years, he campaigned against, quote, the corrupt bargain.

00:19:26.580 And he wins in 1828 and serves for eight years.

00:19:31.400 So let me let me go over this again with you.

00:19:37.260 So he just needs to bring Biden down to 269 even.

00:19:47.280 Right. And then it goes to the House and the House.

00:19:51.740 They use delegations. It's not just a straight vote.

00:19:55.460 So how is that? How is that selected? What does that mean?

00:20:00.280 Every delegation, say, take Georgia.

00:20:05.720 It may have, I don't know, 18, 12, 13, whatever members of Congress.

00:20:11.480 If there are more Republican members of Congress from Georgia than Democrats, then the state gets to cast its vote for the Republican candidate.

00:20:23.440 And the vote, all it needs is 51 states.

00:20:27.220 So if you win 51-49 in the House of Representatives, then or in that case, it would be in the House of Representatives.

00:20:39.400 No, you'd have 50 states.

00:20:41.240 So you'd have to win 26 votes.

00:20:43.680 And if you get 26 votes, you elect the president.

00:20:46.960 And that happened in the past.

00:20:48.780 Thomas Jefferson was elected by the House of Representatives, not by the electoral college.

00:20:52.540 How do you stop? I mean, how did they stop civil war at that point?

00:20:59.220 The Constitution doesn't provide for that.

00:21:01.460 In fact, we had a civil war in 1860.

00:21:04.480 The Constitution didn't provide for that.

00:21:06.500 I would hope good sense, common sense would prevail and neither side would resort to arms.

00:21:11.820 But I suspect that if you had that situation, there would be some violence.

00:21:16.580 So I have no doubt about that.

00:21:18.880 Alan, you say to try to lower Biden from 306 to, say, 269.

00:21:24.100 Those electoral votes then don't – what would happen to those?

00:21:27.380 If you're saying they're not affirmatively going to get Trump over 270, what happens to those electoral votes?

00:21:33.820 The electoral college becomes irrelevant.

00:21:36.160 The Constitution puts the electoral college aside and says we now have it in the House of Representatives.

00:21:41.300 So the electoral college vote is a null and void.

00:21:44.600 Okay.

00:21:46.540 Wow.

00:21:47.220 Okay, so hang on just a second.

00:21:48.920 Those cases, wouldn't they be decided?

00:21:52.000 I mean, during Bush v. Gore, the Supreme Court made decisive moves that really sewed it up before the states had to send their electoral college.

00:22:07.840 Yep.

00:22:09.580 Had they not done that, had the Supreme Court deferred its decision, the case might have gone, the matter might have gone to the House of Representatives because neither candidate would have gotten 270.

00:22:20.660 And that's what happened in the 319th century elections that I referred to, actually for Jefferson as well, that no candidate – remember in those days, you'd have four or five candidates running.

00:22:31.540 In 1824, you had Henry Clay, you had somebody else, you had – so I think there were five candidates and they divided the electoral votes.

00:22:41.060 Jackson got the most votes, but he didn't get half.

00:22:43.820 According to the Constitution, you need a clear majority.

00:22:46.440 If you don't get a clear majority, it goes to the House.

00:22:48.440 So, one more on this.

00:22:53.380 So, if the courts – it behooves – if you want this, and I think this would be really a powder keg that I wouldn't want to see lit.

00:23:04.680 No doubt.

00:23:05.000 But if you wanted this to happen, it would behoove you then to file late or to keep the courts somehow or another tied up?

00:23:16.560 Is that right?

00:23:16.980 Because after, what, the 13th of December, are you saying that then it just automatically triggers?

00:23:23.000 You don't have to file late.

00:23:24.600 Remember, the wholesale suits can be decided on legal principles without a trial.

00:23:29.240 But if you claim there were 10,000 invalid ballots or if you follow what Sidney Powell said yesterday on Fox News and you challenge the computer, saying the computers turned many votes that were supposed to be for Trump to Biden, that's the argument.

00:23:49.060 If you make that argument, you have to prove it.

00:23:51.760 That's an evidentiary argument, and that requires a trial.

00:23:54.880 And if the court set down for trial, all the challenged ballots in four or five states, you might accomplish that purpose because you couldn't have a trial and a result probably between now and mid-December.

00:24:11.900 So, you don't have to delay.

00:24:13.220 All you have to do is ask for a trial.

00:24:14.840 And under the Seventh Amendment to the Constitution, you have a right to trial by jury in any cases that were tried by jury at common law.

00:24:22.500 So, it becomes very complicated.

00:24:24.140 Look, if I were teaching at Harvard now again, I stopped teaching five years ago, I retired, I would be teaching an entire seminar on this election.

00:24:34.300 It raises so many intriguing constitutional questions.

00:24:37.500 I'm not advocating any particular result.

00:24:40.480 I'm just giving you my constitutional analysis.

00:24:44.420 The odds you think this might happen?

00:24:47.560 Very low.

00:24:48.500 You'd need a perfect storm.

00:24:49.660 You'd need enough states where there were enough challenges to make the difference and so that the courts would refuse or the secretaries of state, some of which are Republican, would refuse to certify the votes so that the electors could be chosen.

00:25:07.680 It would require a perfect storm of both judicial, electoral, and political considerations to come together.

00:25:15.440 And the odds are very low.

00:25:16.700 But it's the only possible road that President Trump has to victory.

00:25:23.660 And it's a very unlikely one, which leads me to believe that he should.

00:25:27.900 I'm not suggesting he secede or concede.

00:25:31.340 I'm not suggesting that he stop his challenges.

00:25:34.080 But I am strongly suggesting that he allow cooperation with the transition team because the likely outcome is going to be President Biden on January 20th.

00:25:47.280 And if that is likely, there's no good reason why the transition can't go forward while the challenges are still being made and no concession is offered.

00:25:58.960 The media says that, you know, once they call an election, they call an election.

00:26:04.280 But they don't call it.

00:26:05.660 Yeah, they don't call the election.

00:26:07.080 There's this is just a not Biden is not officially the president elect.

00:26:12.660 But until and unless enough states certify the election result or the other candidate concedes, you don't get a president elect through CNN or through Fox or through MSNBC.

00:26:26.620 You get a presumptive president.

00:26:28.920 You call it what you want, but it's a media term.

00:26:32.060 Legally, the president elect is picked only when those two circumstances are met.

00:26:37.560 That is sufficient state certified or the other side concedes.

00:26:41.500 Neither of those things has happened yet.

00:26:43.880 And when you when you look at what the media is also saying about this is this is, you know, unheard of that.

00:26:53.120 We don't do things like this in America.

00:26:55.520 We've done we've asked for recounts and we have challenged elections, not necessarily in the the modern era or the late modern era.

00:27:08.000 As much as we did in the first hundred, hundred and fifty years.

00:27:12.100 Right.

00:27:12.680 That's right.

00:27:13.440 But we have also Bush versus Gore was a direct challenge.

00:27:17.780 Look, I don't condemn the lawyers for doing this.

00:27:20.000 I got an email the other day asking me to sign a petition to disbar the lawyers who are raising these issues.

00:27:25.840 Just nonsense.

00:27:27.200 You know, people wanted to disbar me because I defended President Trump on the floor of the United States Senate.

00:27:32.740 You don't disbar lawyers for doing their job.

00:27:36.520 I don't condemn the lawyers who are raising these arguments.

00:27:40.540 They may lose.

00:27:41.320 They may win.

00:27:42.860 Even I've lost some cases.

00:27:44.840 You know, that's what happens.

00:27:46.160 You don't always win your cases.

00:27:48.440 You try your best to win.

00:27:50.220 Look, every day I've been dealing with this complicated issue on my show, The Dirt Show.

00:27:54.460 And I've been getting these intriguing calls from people coming up with interesting ideas for how to deal with this from both sides of the aisle, from the Democratic side and the Republican side.

00:28:06.080 And it's a you know, it's a fascinating issue.

00:28:08.400 I think in the end, the victories that Trump receives will be Pyrrhic victories.

00:28:13.600 He'll receive some victories.

00:28:15.160 Pennsylvania, maybe other places, but they probably won't be enough to stop Vice President Biden from hitting the magic 270.

00:28:23.880 Alan Dershowitz.

00:28:24.740 Always great to talk to you, sir.

00:28:25.960 Thank you very much.

00:28:26.720 You can find Alan Dershowitz.

00:28:28.780 He can follow him on Twitter at Alan Dersh, or you can find him on The Dersh Show.

00:28:34.940 That is a podcast wherever you get your podcast.

00:28:38.100 Thank you, Alan Dershowitz.

00:28:41.460 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:28:46.820 We go now to Mr.

00:28:50.460 Elijah Schaefer, who is, of course, part of Blaze TV.

00:28:55.660 He is the Blaze TV host of Slightly Offensive, and just slightly.

00:29:01.800 I've never seen anything offensive at all from Elijah.

00:29:05.280 I don't know why he keeps saying he's slightly offensive.

00:29:07.580 Anyway, he was there at the DC Million MAGA March, and he has this to report.

00:29:13.600 Hello, Elijah.

00:29:16.420 Hello, Glenn and Stu.

00:29:17.700 How are you guys doing?

00:29:18.440 Good.

00:29:18.640 Are you still in D.C.?

00:29:20.760 You know, I just got back to Dallas.

00:29:22.780 Thank God, that is definitely a swamp, so I'm happy to be home.

00:29:26.500 Yeah, good.

00:29:27.200 So, tell me about the march.

00:29:30.000 You know, despite reports, I know when I woke up, there was already disinformation.

00:29:34.920 People were taking pictures at 7 a.m., saying that there was a low turnout.

00:29:38.780 People were uploading black and white pictures of Nazi Germany, saying that, you know, these

00:29:44.120 were some low-res images of people gathering.

00:29:47.000 I mean, that was no shocker there, but by about 10 o'clock, you already saw maybe 10,000 or

00:29:52.820 more people gathering together, and the group had gotten so large that I didn't realize how

00:29:58.280 big it was until not only could I not find my team, but we couldn't even get a hold of

00:30:03.320 each other because cell service completely stopped working in the area.

00:30:06.540 There were families.

00:30:08.000 Every type of group that was out there, despite reports, it was not full of militias and proud

00:30:14.260 boys and different groups that they want to try to use to say that these are who were

00:30:17.760 leading the event.

00:30:18.540 Some of these people were there.

00:30:19.800 I have no problem with them at all.

00:30:21.900 But this was 95 to 99 percent just families, people who love America, chanting USA, waving

00:30:30.280 American flags, giving a lot of love.

00:30:32.780 There was every race, sexual orientation there.

00:30:35.880 This was a march of unity, a march of love, and when they talk about a time to heal, these

00:30:42.140 are the people that I would trust to do that.

00:30:43.600 So we were just having a discussion, and the audience may be upset with me because I believe

00:30:52.900 marches are to change people's hearts.

00:30:56.080 It's not for the individual to march.

00:30:58.480 It's not for anything else.

00:31:01.500 It's to send a message, and you are sending a message of support to Donald Trump, but you

00:31:06.540 are also sending a message to the American people.

00:31:09.820 Now, whether they see that or not through the media doesn't matter, and we know that the

00:31:16.040 media is actually not effective anymore.

00:31:22.440 People are seeing through their lies.

00:31:24.880 And so when somebody is attacked, do you believe, I believe it is absolutely their right to defend

00:31:37.520 themselves.

00:31:38.560 But are you a more of a Martin Luther King guy or not?

00:31:43.100 No, you know, I know as a member of the press, I have to be a little bit more careful not

00:31:49.100 to fight back because when it comes to especially right wing media, they want us to seem like

00:31:53.160 we're violent or agitators.

00:31:54.900 And so, you know, I try to deescalate as much as possible.

00:31:57.200 But it is in the rights of Americans to defend themselves.

00:32:00.740 And I will say this, you know, earlier on in the day, I recorded multiple assaults.

00:32:05.100 You know, anti-Trump protesters were targeting individuals.

00:32:09.540 I've actually recorded at least four arrests of anti-Trump protesters.

00:32:13.860 What were they doing?

00:32:14.580 What were they doing, Elijah?

00:32:16.340 Throwing full water bottles at the heads of Trump supporters walking by, throwing rocks,

00:32:21.860 projectiles.

00:32:23.340 That's crazy.

00:32:23.940 And including one individual who was, you know, he was a white liberal Biden supporter.

00:32:28.820 This is how it always is.

00:32:29.740 I mean, your listeners know he was a white liberal Biden supporter.

00:32:34.900 He had anti-Trump signs talking about Biden, yelling insults and derogatory slurs at a

00:32:40.960 first-generation Mexican-American immigrant woman, you know, who she is. 1.00

00:32:46.900 The world is upside down, man.

00:32:49.320 It is totally upside down.

00:32:52.260 Well, yeah, we know.

00:32:53.560 And that's what I'm going to say.

00:32:54.280 And I asked him, hey, man, so what are you out here doing?

00:32:56.220 He immediately assaulted me by smashing his bicycle up against me and hitting me in the

00:33:01.280 head with his, you know, bike helmet on, head-butting me.

00:33:04.900 And I'm just going to say this.

00:33:06.360 When the media says that the Trump supporters were inciting violence, I guess they meant

00:33:10.240 asking people questions, walking down the street.

00:33:13.100 I mean, at this point, to the media, Trump supporters can do no right.

00:33:17.260 And I think that's why they took matters into their own hands, because police, I'll tell

00:33:22.800 you this, you know, with some connections in the police department, police were in some

00:33:27.620 way standing down.

00:33:28.520 They were looking more for ways to cite or to keep like a zero-tolerance policy to keep

00:33:33.400 Trump supporters in line.

00:33:35.200 And I can definitely tell you the police were not helping Trump supporters who were getting

00:33:41.240 attacked.

00:33:41.600 In fact, when Trump supporters would get surrounded by Black Lives Matter activists and Antifa,

00:33:46.820 even when they were one half block away from their hotel, the police would block them and

00:33:50.920 make them go back around through the lines of the anti-Trump protesters.

00:33:54.460 So police were coercing the Trump supporters into the line of attack.

00:34:01.620 So if you're put in a position where law enforcement isn't protecting you, and you're forced to go

00:34:06.180 through an area of antagonism, if you don't have the right to defend yourself, then what

00:34:10.640 right do you have?

00:34:12.820 Wow, that is, that's really bad.

00:34:15.280 That is really bad.

00:34:16.820 Um, thank you so much.

00:34:18.440 I appreciate it, Elijah.

00:34:20.320 All of his, about all of his video, everything, you can see it on Blaze TV or Blaze, the Blaze

00:34:26.280 dot com, uh, our news site.

00:34:28.700 And I, I urge you to, uh, to watch it.

00:34:32.140 It's an interesting, uh, conversation going back to our previous one, because you, you

00:34:36.980 mentioned this here, and I don't think you said this before.

00:34:39.240 Is it morally justifiable for you to defend yourself when you're in the middle of a

00:34:43.620 margin being attacked?

00:34:44.500 It is my God-given right to defend myself at all times.

00:34:50.460 So you're, I don't care if I'm standing next to the Pope, the Pope starts to assault me.

00:34:55.160 It's my God-given right to defend myself.

00:34:57.300 And the Pope has a really nasty left uppercut.

00:34:59.000 Have you ever seen it?

00:34:59.840 Oh my gosh, this guy.

00:35:00.840 Yeah, right?

00:35:01.340 Oh yeah.

00:35:02.060 This guy's not only a socialist, but he's a fighter.

00:35:05.160 Uh, as if those things are more in opposition to each other.

00:35:09.380 Um, but like you're saying that it's not a moral, a question of moral justification.

00:35:15.000 It's a question of the best strategy to, to, to accomplish your goals.

00:35:20.960 Um, when you're marching.

00:35:22.140 If you're in the march, see, I even separate the people that he said, as they were going

00:35:26.600 to their hotels, police blocked them in.

00:35:29.460 They needed to get through.

00:35:30.940 They were being forced to go through a hostile crowd.

00:35:33.580 Well, I don't recommend that you take them on, but you know, I would do everything I could

00:35:39.740 to escape.

00:35:41.240 But if you have to defend yourself there to get out, that's fine.

00:35:45.180 But in the March, in the March, if somebody is doing something, you are part of a, a group

00:35:54.080 that is trying to, uh, have a well-crafted narrative.

00:35:59.020 And that narrative is aimed right to that, that suburban woman who is seeing things go 0.63

00:36:07.620 on in her area, believes the press has no reason to doubt.

00:36:12.460 You need the videos that appeal, that appeal to her, where she sees the truth.

00:36:19.060 How many times have you met somebody who said, you know, when, when the Kavanaugh thing happened,

00:36:23.580 I started really paying attention and I started, I started doing my own homework and I started

00:36:27.980 listening to other people.

00:36:29.680 That's what a march is for is to get them one image, one thing that makes them say,

00:36:35.880 I don't know what this is about.

00:36:37.700 Cause I don't think this is, this isn't reflecting the violence that everybody is saying it is.

00:36:44.000 That's what happened with BLM.

00:36:45.900 The media was saying they're not violent.

00:36:48.080 They're not violent.

00:36:48.800 They're not violent.

00:36:49.460 Well, everybody could see they were soon as the night went down, it was violence and they

00:36:55.580 could see that.

00:36:56.200 And so they started doing their own thinking and their own work.

00:37:00.600 That's the point of these marches.

00:37:02.860 The media is doing the opposite to these marches and to any Trump supporter that they're doing

00:37:09.300 to black lives matter.

00:37:10.620 The people saw for themselves and they refuse to deny what their eyes told them.

00:37:18.080 So you need to be extraordinarily disciplined.

00:37:21.900 Look, this is not my strategy.

00:37:23.460 This is Gandhi, Martin Luther King.

00:37:26.140 And so it is morally absolutely right.

00:37:32.140 And you're justified to defend yourself.

00:37:35.100 You are somebody throwing rocks at your head.

00:37:38.140 If you're in fear for your life or you're in danger, you have every right to defend yourself

00:37:42.980 morally.

00:37:43.460 Morally, I'm talking strategically.

00:37:47.060 Because it's interesting because you can, I think, hear in Elijah him making that same

00:37:52.860 choice in a different area because Elijah would be absolutely morally justified to fight back

00:37:58.320 himself as a human being when he's attacked.

00:38:01.340 But as he said, I have to be very careful about that because of conservative media and they will

00:38:06.500 paint all conservative media members as hate mongering, violent people if I do that.

00:38:11.580 So he holds back and doesn't do that.

00:38:13.740 The question is, I guess, whether if that's the message you're trying to send or not, because

00:38:17.320 if I'm not in charge of these marches, you know, and I'm saying on a personal level, making

00:38:22.620 that choice.

00:38:23.340 Yeah.

00:38:23.520 I mean, if I were doing these marches, I would do what we did in in Birmingham.

00:38:33.560 And everybody said, why are you doing this?

00:38:36.580 We had you take the the pledge of nonviolence from Martin Luther King to march with us.

00:38:43.260 I didn't do it because we were going to come under attack.

00:38:46.020 I did it to start planting the seeds that that's the kind of discipline you're going

00:38:51.040 to need in the future.

00:38:52.980 And here and here we are.

00:38:55.740 I want to make it really clear.

00:38:58.780 We're trying to save the country.

00:39:02.560 So we fight in the courts.

00:39:04.740 We fight every legal means that we can possibly do.

00:39:09.280 We we fight online.

00:39:12.460 We fight for our children in schools.

00:39:15.460 We stand up.

00:39:16.360 I am not saying that you become soft or you're not outspoken.

00:39:21.460 You must be outspoken.

00:39:23.840 You have to stand.

00:39:25.540 You have to stand.

00:39:26.620 There are no sidelines here.

00:39:29.500 But a march is a strategic event.

00:39:35.800 And you have to understand the strategy of what that's trying to do.

00:39:41.080 That's one piece of a strategy to save your country.

00:39:47.840 And if someone if these if if Antifa came to my house and they were going to come to my 0.94

00:39:53.900 house, I'm going to use my God given right because they're attacking my house.

00:40:01.140 And if it means I go to jail like that couple in Georgia may go to jail.

00:40:06.040 Well, so be it.

00:40:07.320 They had every right to stand.

00:40:09.420 Was it Georgia?

00:40:10.000 St.

00:40:10.440 Louis.

00:40:11.040 Yeah.

00:40:11.320 St.

00:40:11.560 Louis.

00:40:12.060 They had every right to stand in front of their house and say, get out of my property. 0.99

00:40:19.880 You're climbing over the fence.

00:40:21.980 We're in fear for our life.

00:40:24.180 They had every right to defend themselves.

00:40:28.040 You're threatening me and my house.

00:40:30.540 You're threatening my country.

00:40:32.020 I'm going to stand.

00:40:33.560 You take my country.

00:40:35.320 You take my country.

00:40:39.360 I'm going to stand.

00:40:40.800 It's true.

00:40:41.220 You know, it's it's interesting because I think it is a difficult battle for people to

00:40:46.020 wage because people will look at this and say, like, I'm sick of this.

00:40:48.640 I'm sick of I'm sick of people pushing me around.

00:40:51.180 But if you look at like one of the probably the best, the most successful conservative sort of one of these stories that's worked out on the on the right side of truth here was probably Nicholas Sandman.

00:41:04.300 Right.

00:41:04.440 I mean, to the extent that he's extracted millions of dollars from major media organizations.

00:41:10.420 And the reason was there was absolutely no doubt what he did was right because he just stood there and he he took insults.

00:41:20.580 People were people.

00:41:22.000 I mean, remember, people were saying all sorts of terrible things about him.

00:41:25.280 Guy getting in his face and he stood there without doing anything.

00:41:30.580 And that strategically strategically, it was the right thing to do.

00:41:33.960 And I don't know in that moment, I don't know what he was thinking, but I mean, he didn't he didn't cross that line.

00:41:39.360 It's a difficult it's a difficult balance because, you know, I mean, as a human being, you have those real emotions and those real those real battles, I think, internally.

00:41:48.620 Oh, how do you handle those?

00:41:50.080 Because you're not going to be able to keep a giant group from having some people who break those those those those King did King King was able to but he had largely do that.

00:42:01.760 He had he had he had marchers that were captains.

00:42:05.220 He had everybody broken down to like a certain number of people per captain.

00:42:10.620 And that captain marched with in the line with their with his, you know, 25 or 50 people.

00:42:17.040 And he was and that captain was stay in line, stay in line, stay in line as they were shouting things, throwing things at them, stay in line.

00:42:26.860 And it is only because they were willing to be.

00:42:31.100 Look, this didn't work in Germany because they lost.

00:42:35.920 They lost their faith in Christ, the Judeo Christian values were lost in Germany.

00:42:43.560 And that's when you had Bonhoeffer stand up, who was a pacifist and a preacher, said that Jesus is the way to go.

00:42:52.620 Gandhi is the way to go.

00:42:54.000 But he changed because the people had lost Christ.

00:42:59.400 We haven't lost Christ.

00:43:01.240 Gandhi knew he was fighting against England and the Judeo Christian world that understood the peacemaker. 0.74

00:43:14.000 That's why he was successful.

00:43:16.460 We're not in a position where we have lost the Judeo Christian.

00:43:20.780 We're close.

00:43:21.740 We're headed in that direction, but we're not there yet.

00:43:25.540 And that message will still work for that suburban woman who is frightened for her children, doesn't know who to trust.

00:43:36.560 Give her some something and someone to trust.

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