After the MAGA March, Glenn and Stu get into a heated debate about whether or not there was excessive use of force by the media. They also talk about the Dominion Software scandal, and why the left is so obsessed with delegitimizing Trump supporters.
00:09:05.920No, I stopped watching Fox, though, like, yeah, I did two years ago, three years ago.
00:09:09.620But in answer to his question of where the Trump votes are going to come from, they're going to come from like vote switching.
00:09:13.740If that did happen with the Dominion machines, they're going to come from dead people not voting.
00:09:18.660They're going to come from people not voting twice or 20 times or 30 times.
00:09:22.840That's that's where the Trump votes come from.
00:09:25.320I think the Dominion thing is really interesting.
00:09:27.740Did you see, by the way, I was with Barry Loudermilk on Friday and we were talking about what's happening in Georgia.
00:09:36.380He's the senator from Georgia and we're talking about what's happening in Georgia.
00:09:39.980And he said the the AG in Georgia is out of control.
00:09:43.160He's a Republican, but has been negotiating with Democrats without consulting the Republicans at all.
00:09:49.480And he said there was a report before the election, like a week before, two weeks before the election from door knockers for Trump up in these very, very Democratic areas in Pennsylvania.
00:10:06.720And they were going door to door and they were talking about Trump and this Democratic area has now become very pro Trump.
00:10:13.680And so that's a lot of people who are on the Democratic roles, but now are voting for Donald Trump.
00:10:21.800And they were told in several out by several houses that they were getting calls from the Democratic Party telling them they were going to send them a Georgia ballot that they could vote in Georgia.
00:10:36.960And they were like, no, but I've never been to Georgia.
00:12:06.980It looks like Democrats are going to have potentially the smallest House margin since like World War Two when it comes to, you know, this this scenario,
00:12:17.500this type of scenario where they're I mean, when you win and when you knock out an incumbent president, if that's wind up winds up being what happens here, that you usually have a big margin.
00:12:28.420I mean, look at Obama came in with this massive margin.
00:13:04.880It was, you know, and again, there was the same type of thing where where John McCain had very little momentum behind him or very little interest.
00:13:12.840And I think the same is true with Biden.
00:13:14.560I think, though, that Donald Trump after four years is very much a part of everyone's life.
00:16:18.380And Bush versus Gore, they kind of suggested that.
00:16:22.460And there was a four to four vote previously on the Pennsylvania case.
00:16:26.840And Justice Alito asked, demanded that the votes that came in late after the close of Election Day had to be segregated, strongly implying that the court would rule in that direction.
00:16:40.100Look, there is a legal argument on the other side.
00:16:42.180The legal argument would go something like this.
00:16:44.360Of course, the Constitution says the legislature has to do it.
00:16:52.000The answer to that is this wasn't really an interpretation.
00:16:54.540This was an expansion in light of covid and probably the court would rule that that expansion would have to come from the legislative, not the judicial branch.
00:17:05.480But the question is, does that get him enough votes right now?
00:17:09.700It seems like he may be as much as 60,000 votes behind.
00:17:13.500So the number of disputed ballots under this particular law has to exceed 60,000 before it could turn around the election.
00:17:22.400Now, if you combine that wholesale attack with some retail attacks by retail, I mean, you know, a few fraudulent ballots here and there, dead people voting, people who moved out of the state voting.
00:17:35.560You could conceivably get to a point where the Pennsylvania vote would go the other way.
00:17:41.680Now, you'd need more than that, because the goal of the Trump legal team is not to give Trump 270 votes.
00:17:48.500That's out of the question. The goal is to keep Biden from getting 270 so that the election is thrown into the House of Representatives.
00:17:57.780The way to stop Biden from getting 270, according to the legal team, would be to have challenges in enough states, Pennsylvania, Georgia, maybe Arizona, Nevada, to bring him from 305 to 268, 267.
00:18:13.700If he doesn't get 270, it goes to the House, and the House votes by delegation.
00:18:19.900That is, each state gets one vote, and there are now more Republican delegations than there are Democratic delegations.
00:18:26.340So that's the theory. I'm not saying I'm advocating it. I'm not saying I think it will win.
00:18:31.460I'm just telling you that's the only route to victory at this point that I can see.
00:18:37.040Wow. So, Alan, you're saying that the Trump legal team says that their theory is they cannot get to 270 electoral votes?
00:18:45.940I'm just speculating. I don't see how they could get affirmatively to 270, but they don't need it.
00:18:52.500All they need is to stop Biden from getting 270. That's the key.
00:18:56.320That's what happened in 1824 in the Andrew Jackson, John Quincy Adams matter.
00:19:03.160That's what happened, essentially, when we had the Tilden Hayes dispute.
00:19:07.400There were three instances in the 19th century where something like this happened.
00:19:12.800And then, of course, if you follow through the Jackson Adams 1824, what happens?
00:19:18.560Jackson loses that, even though he won the popular and the electoral vote.
00:19:22.000And then for the next four years, he campaigned against, quote, the corrupt bargain.
00:19:26.580And he wins in 1828 and serves for eight years.
00:19:31.400So let me let me go over this again with you.
00:19:37.260So he just needs to bring Biden down to 269 even.
00:19:47.280Right. And then it goes to the House and the House.
00:19:51.740They use delegations. It's not just a straight vote.
00:19:55.460So how is that? How is that selected? What does that mean?
00:20:05.720It may have, I don't know, 18, 12, 13, whatever members of Congress.
00:20:11.480If there are more Republican members of Congress from Georgia than Democrats, then the state gets to cast its vote for the Republican candidate.
00:20:23.440And the vote, all it needs is 51 states.
00:20:27.220So if you win 51-49 in the House of Representatives, then or in that case, it would be in the House of Representatives.
00:21:48.920Those cases, wouldn't they be decided?
00:21:52.000I mean, during Bush v. Gore, the Supreme Court made decisive moves that really sewed it up before the states had to send their electoral college.
00:22:09.580Had they not done that, had the Supreme Court deferred its decision, the case might have gone, the matter might have gone to the House of Representatives because neither candidate would have gotten 270.
00:22:20.660And that's what happened in the 319th century elections that I referred to, actually for Jefferson as well, that no candidate – remember in those days, you'd have four or five candidates running.
00:22:31.540In 1824, you had Henry Clay, you had somebody else, you had – so I think there were five candidates and they divided the electoral votes.
00:22:41.060Jackson got the most votes, but he didn't get half.
00:22:43.820According to the Constitution, you need a clear majority.
00:22:46.440If you don't get a clear majority, it goes to the House.
00:23:24.600Remember, the wholesale suits can be decided on legal principles without a trial.
00:23:29.240But if you claim there were 10,000 invalid ballots or if you follow what Sidney Powell said yesterday on Fox News and you challenge the computer, saying the computers turned many votes that were supposed to be for Trump to Biden, that's the argument.
00:23:49.060If you make that argument, you have to prove it.
00:23:51.760That's an evidentiary argument, and that requires a trial.
00:23:54.880And if the court set down for trial, all the challenged ballots in four or five states, you might accomplish that purpose because you couldn't have a trial and a result probably between now and mid-December.
00:24:24.140Look, if I were teaching at Harvard now again, I stopped teaching five years ago, I retired, I would be teaching an entire seminar on this election.
00:24:34.300It raises so many intriguing constitutional questions.
00:24:37.500I'm not advocating any particular result.
00:24:40.480I'm just giving you my constitutional analysis.
00:24:49.660You'd need enough states where there were enough challenges to make the difference and so that the courts would refuse or the secretaries of state, some of which are Republican, would refuse to certify the votes so that the electors could be chosen.
00:25:07.680It would require a perfect storm of both judicial, electoral, and political considerations to come together.
00:25:16.700But it's the only possible road that President Trump has to victory.
00:25:23.660And it's a very unlikely one, which leads me to believe that he should.
00:25:27.900I'm not suggesting he secede or concede.
00:25:31.340I'm not suggesting that he stop his challenges.
00:25:34.080But I am strongly suggesting that he allow cooperation with the transition team because the likely outcome is going to be President Biden on January 20th.
00:25:47.280And if that is likely, there's no good reason why the transition can't go forward while the challenges are still being made and no concession is offered.
00:25:58.960The media says that, you know, once they call an election, they call an election.
00:26:07.080There's this is just a not Biden is not officially the president elect.
00:26:12.660But until and unless enough states certify the election result or the other candidate concedes, you don't get a president elect through CNN or through Fox or through MSNBC.
00:27:50.220Look, every day I've been dealing with this complicated issue on my show, The Dirt Show.
00:27:54.460And I've been getting these intriguing calls from people coming up with interesting ideas for how to deal with this from both sides of the aisle, from the Democratic side and the Republican side.
00:28:06.080And it's a you know, it's a fascinating issue.
00:28:08.400I think in the end, the victories that Trump receives will be Pyrrhic victories.
00:40:41.220You know, it's it's interesting because I think it is a difficult battle for people to
00:40:46.020wage because people will look at this and say, like, I'm sick of this.
00:40:48.640I'm sick of I'm sick of people pushing me around.
00:40:51.180But if you look at like one of the probably the best, the most successful conservative sort of one of these stories that's worked out on the on the right side of truth here was probably Nicholas Sandman.
00:41:22.000I mean, remember, people were saying all sorts of terrible things about him.
00:41:25.280Guy getting in his face and he stood there without doing anything.
00:41:30.580And that strategically strategically, it was the right thing to do.
00:41:33.960And I don't know in that moment, I don't know what he was thinking, but I mean, he didn't he didn't cross that line.
00:41:39.360It's a difficult it's a difficult balance because, you know, I mean, as a human being, you have those real emotions and those real those real battles, I think, internally.
00:41:50.080Because you're not going to be able to keep a giant group from having some people who break those those those those King did King King was able to but he had largely do that.
00:42:01.760He had he had he had marchers that were captains.
00:42:05.220He had everybody broken down to like a certain number of people per captain.
00:42:10.620And that captain marched with in the line with their with his, you know, 25 or 50 people.
00:42:17.040And he was and that captain was stay in line, stay in line, stay in line as they were shouting things, throwing things at them, stay in line.
00:42:26.860And it is only because they were willing to be.
00:42:31.100Look, this didn't work in Germany because they lost.
00:42:35.920They lost their faith in Christ, the Judeo Christian values were lost in Germany.
00:42:43.560And that's when you had Bonhoeffer stand up, who was a pacifist and a preacher, said that Jesus is the way to go.