The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Alan Dershowitz & Ezra Levant ｜ 3⧸1⧸24

00:00:00.000 Today is, quite honestly, a show that hits close to home.

00:00:05.760 How close?

00:00:07.080 Steve Baker, a journalist for Blaze TV, was arrested today by the FBI for doing journalism.

00:00:15.720 Now, I'm not saying that he agrees with the current regime,

00:00:23.260 and I'm not saying he's a saint.

00:00:26.960 I don't know. I think he's a really gentle, nice guy.

00:00:30.580 But he was in the Capitol doing journalism.

00:00:35.360 He was an independent reporter at the time.

00:00:38.320 He is now head guy of exposing all of the lies using the videotape

00:00:44.160 and has been a very good friend helping understand and helping Congress understand

00:00:49.940 how all these pieces fit together by using actual videotape.

00:00:54.680 That's why they're after him. 0.97

00:00:56.580 He's embarrassing them and showing them to be the liars that they are.

00:01:00.520 They've charged him now with four misdemeanors, 0.56

00:01:06.200 but they brought him into the courthouse in ankle cuffs and chains from the wrist to the feet

00:01:15.400 for four misdemeanors.

00:01:18.720 This should be a clarion call to everyone that your republic is about to burn to the ground.

00:01:26.440 Alan Dershowitz was on today's program to talk about that.

00:01:29.920 Also, Ezra Levant called in from Canada to tell us what's happening in Canada.

00:01:34.820 If you think that's bad, wait until you hear what Canada is doing.

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00:03:23.080 You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:03:40.640 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:03:43.400 Glad that you're here.

00:03:44.720 Thank you so much.

00:03:46.140 We have...

00:03:47.080 Do we have Ezra on?

00:03:49.760 Ezra, welcome.

00:03:51.360 Thanks very much.

00:03:52.460 It's good to be here, but I've got bad news, Glenn.

00:03:54.760 Yeah.

00:03:56.400 What?

00:03:58.420 Canada just introduced the most draconian anti-free speech censorship bill in our history

00:04:05.400 and in the history of any democratic country.

00:04:07.820 I've never seen anything like it.

00:04:09.020 Hang on, Ezra.

00:04:11.440 Ezra Levant.

00:04:12.180 Okay, I'll quote this.

00:04:13.300 I can't wait.

00:04:14.060 I know.

00:04:14.460 Ezra Levant is the host of The Ezra Levant Show.

00:04:18.680 He started Rebel News, which is like The Blaze, has the same kind of mission as The Blaze.

00:04:25.580 Ezra, we just had one of our reporters jailed, picked up by the FBI.

00:04:32.980 He was the one that is leading the investigation on January 6th.

00:04:39.140 He was arrested this morning, about an hour ago.

00:04:43.900 And we're in real trouble.

00:04:48.300 As a nation, we're in real, real trouble.

00:04:50.420 And you guys are following, actually, you're leading, I think, because you guys have just

00:04:57.440 introduced a bill yesterday that is bone-chilling.

00:05:03.120 Well, what you've just reported to me about the arrest of your reporter is terrifying, and

00:05:07.100 I know that you will resist it at all costs.

00:05:10.100 You absolutely must.

00:05:11.520 You cannot allow the arrests of journalists for criticizing the regime to be normalized.

00:05:16.500 That is absolute priority one.

00:05:18.940 As you know, Ezra, that is, the mainstream media is not going to cover this.

00:05:24.680 They're not going to cover it.

00:05:26.460 And it's reprehensible.

00:05:29.240 If he was on the other side of the political aisle, winning a Pulitzer, there would be national

00:05:35.780 press conferences for him.

00:05:37.600 You would see Amnesty International talking about it.

00:05:39.960 You might even see the United Nations talking about it.

00:05:41.880 But if he is conservative-oriented or a critic of the regime, it'll be crickets.

00:05:46.120 Let me tell you what's going on in Canada, because, as I always say, what happens in Canada

00:05:50.520 today may happen in the U.S. five years from now.

00:05:53.920 It's like we're a bad time machine to see your future.

00:05:57.080 This week, Justin Trudeau introduced a new bill called Bill C-63.

00:06:01.540 It's got a lot of things in it that are atrocious.

00:06:04.240 He's created a new hate crime bill, life in prison, new hate crime law.

00:06:09.860 There's nothing that gets you life in prison in Canada, not even murder.

00:06:12.700 But hate speech now does.

00:06:14.920 He's created a pre-crime for hate.

00:06:18.100 If you have, quote, fear of hate, fear of hate, that's the title of the section of the

00:06:24.660 law, you can get a judge to issue a kind of restraining order against your enemy before

00:06:31.660 he does anything, before he says anything.

00:06:33.820 And that restraining order can include house arrest, giving up any lawful firearms, limiting

00:06:41.420 who he can talk to directly or indirectly, limiting the places he can go, and requiring

00:06:48.880 him to take urine and blood tests.

00:06:52.160 Just because you are, quote, afraid, he might in the future say some hate speech.

00:06:59.680 He doesn't have to have done anything in the past.

00:07:01.640 This is a pre-crime, like in that science fiction movie, Minority Report.

00:07:06.900 That's in this bill.

00:07:08.680 Let me tell you other things in this bill.

00:07:12.120 Donald Trump and his travails with the U.S. legal system, they're covered a lot by the

00:07:16.920 Canadian media.

00:07:17.840 And Justin Trudeau's obsessed with Donald Trump.

00:07:20.280 So he's been watching what Democrats have done, and he's learned from it.

00:07:24.800 Trump is being prosecuted by high-profile prosecutors.

00:07:29.560 Trudeau has one-upped that.

00:07:30.800 Trudeau has now said that anyone in Canada, even non-citizens, can file hate speech complaints

00:07:38.840 against anyone.

00:07:41.800 And if they are successful, they get $20,000 from the target, and the target has to pay

00:07:49.400 a fine of up to $50,000.

00:07:51.200 So let me just say this more clearly.

00:07:53.900 If there's anyone on social media, because this is a social media law, Trudeau's introduced.

00:07:59.060 If there's anyone who has a YouTube video, a tweet, a Facebook comment that you think

00:08:04.880 creates hate, you can go to the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal and complain about it.

00:08:12.680 You don't have to hire a lawyer.

00:08:14.420 You don't have to spend any money.

00:08:16.180 The government will have the hearing, and if your complaint is upheld, you get $20,000

00:08:22.240 from the victim.

00:08:23.800 So instead of having maybe $20,000...

00:08:25.280 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:08:26.340 Who gets the $30,000?

00:08:27.840 The remaining $30,000?

00:08:30.320 $20,000 goes to the complainant, and an additional $50,000 goes to the government.

00:08:35.100 So you're on the hook for $70,000 a pop.

00:08:37.840 So let's take someone like Jordan Peterson.

00:08:39.580 Every day he's saying something controversial on YouTube, on Twitter.

00:08:43.640 Oh, and by the way, this applies to all of your historical work that's online.

00:08:48.300 So as long as it's still online and you control it, they can go back through your history,

00:08:54.340 five years, 10 years, and why wouldn't they complain about literally every tweet you make,

00:09:00.640 literally every YouTube video?

00:09:02.240 There's no cost.

00:09:03.680 There's no downside.

00:09:04.620 And even if only 5% of your complaints get through to the target, you're smacking them

00:09:10.820 with $20,000 for yourself and a $50,000 fine.

00:09:14.460 This will create a huge industry.

00:09:17.020 So Trudeau saw what they were doing to Trump and said, I can do one better.

00:09:21.340 I'm not going to have a few sniper shots. 0.95

00:09:23.600 I'm going to have a shotgun blast.

00:09:25.640 I'm going to have hundreds of complaints swarming my enemies, and I don't even have to do it.

00:09:31.260 I will mobilize a woke army, but there's one more thing, and people can't believe it when

00:09:38.240 I tell it to them, but it's right there in the law in black and white.

00:09:41.820 You can make a complaint in secret, and the target of your complaint never gets to know

00:09:49.460 your identity.

00:09:50.480 You can give evidence in secret.

00:09:52.660 The complaint can be made in secret.

00:09:54.640 So you could have a company, a political party, a busybody who's literally filing $100 a day, 0.99

00:10:03.840 and you'll never know it.

00:10:05.900 And let me just be clear about one thing.

00:10:08.160 You don't have to be a victim.

00:10:09.920 You don't have to have any standing.

00:10:12.180 You don't have to be mentioned at all.

00:10:14.460 You can just do this as a hobby, as an obsession, as a job, as a political vengeance.

00:10:20.780 Maybe you're a disgruntled ex-employee.

00:10:24.360 This is all in Bill 363, and you take it all together.

00:10:28.700 This is the most draconian anti-free speech bill anywhere in the world, other than, I suppose,

00:10:34.980 Iran and China, who just do this stuff naturally. 0.99

00:10:38.920 And kill you. 1.00

00:10:40.360 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:41.080 So what does that mean to people like you, Ezra?

00:10:43.760 Because you're going to be attacked.

00:10:46.180 Rebel News is going to be attacked.

00:10:49.180 You're out.

00:10:49.900 Let me just, let me go to first principles for one second.

00:10:53.260 Let me tell you what they're doing at the basic principle level here.

00:10:59.020 What is a hate crime?

00:11:00.420 What's hate, Glenn?

00:11:01.800 It's a human emotion.

00:11:03.520 If you never feel any hate in your life, you don't have a fully formed personality.

00:11:07.560 The challenge in life is to take these bad emotions and transform them into positive work,

00:11:12.900 into reforming the world, into fixing a problem.

00:11:15.580 Hate comes from an underlying grievance.

00:11:17.680 So to pass a law to say we're going to ban hatred, that's impossible.

00:11:23.160 If it were possible, we'd have passed the Love Each Other Act a long time ago, and we'd be in heaven.

00:11:26.980 So to criminalize a human emotion, it's insane.

00:11:33.220 And that is what the law actually governs.

00:11:36.140 And I know because I was charged under a precursor to this law about 15 years ago when I published the Danish cartoons of Mohammed.

00:11:43.000 I was charged with publishing something, quote, likely to expose a person to hatred or contempt, unquote.

00:11:49.700 So it's a pre-crime.

00:11:51.020 It's a future crime.

00:11:52.660 And it's not to do any actual damage.

00:11:55.120 It's just to hurt feelings.

00:11:57.360 And that's the thing is it's so subjective.

00:12:00.140 We're all guilty in advance.

00:12:03.180 So the Soviet secret police chief, Lavrento Beria, said, show me the man, I'll find you the crime.

00:12:08.580 We're all guilty of having hate in our hearts.

00:12:11.640 So it's just whoever they choose to prosecute who will get dinged.

00:12:14.900 So tell me this won't pass in Parliament.

00:12:18.780 Well, the reason it was introduced this week is because last week, Justin Trudeau signed a new coalition agreement with a hard left wing socialist party.

00:12:29.660 Justin Trudeau does not have a majority of seats in our house.

00:12:32.700 So we signed a coalition deal with an even worse party.

00:12:36.660 And I fear this will be passed into law.

00:12:39.720 And I fear, you know, I mean, it'll take some time.

00:12:42.120 They're setting up three new censorship agencies, not one, but three.

00:12:47.260 There will be three new censorship bureaucracies.

00:12:50.940 And I think it's going to take them a number of months to get it going.

00:12:55.320 I think this will probably be operational in 2025.

00:12:59.580 And then it's going to be the final battle, Glenn, because, you know, this this will bankrupt any critic of the regime.

00:13:05.640 And then there's those pre-crime restraining orders.

00:13:09.600 And then there's the actual criminal prosecution.

00:13:12.060 They've created a standalone hate crime law for life in prison, not even murder gets you that in Canada.

00:13:20.060 So if this passes.

00:13:27.240 You've become.

00:13:29.840 A Stasi state of East Germany. 0.78

00:13:33.860 Yeah, the secret informants, the secret prosecutions, the secret witnesses, the subjective political nature of the crime, the three different agencies.

00:13:46.340 It's oh, and they have special rules for Facebook, YouTube, Instagram.

00:13:50.240 They say if they get a complaint, a hate complaint, they must take it down within 24 hours or be subject to enormous fines.

00:13:59.580 And so there's no way you can adjudicate if something is right or wrong or fair or not in 24 hours.

00:14:06.040 And the fines are so enormous, basically, a complaint will automatically get things taken down.

00:14:12.800 Again, I'm going to tell you something now, and you're probably not going to believe me, but I swear it's in the text of the law.

00:14:18.160 There are fines in there that can tag global social media companies 8% of their global revenue.

00:14:26.480 So Justin Trudeau, sitting up here in Canada, says to Facebook, if you break my law, I will fine you 8% of your entire worldwide revenue.

00:14:37.300 That's a $10 billion fine.

00:14:40.740 Now, I think Facebook, YouTube, Google, et cetera, I think they're probably going to push back on this.

00:14:44.680 Or maybe they'll just leave Canada, and Trudeau's going to be fine with that.

00:14:48.760 And Facebook has already left Canadian news, because Trudeau said to them, you have to pay $100 million to our list of approved journalists for the pleasure of linking to them.

00:15:00.200 And Facebook said, that makes no sense.

00:15:02.620 We're getting out of the Canadian news business.

00:15:04.460 You cannot post a Canadian news story on Facebook.

00:15:07.060 It blocks it.

00:15:08.400 Trudeau's fine with that, because that hurts the independent guys like us.

00:15:12.080 You cannot read Rebel News on Facebook.

00:15:14.260 We're blocked, as are every other Canadian news source.

00:15:17.100 We are becoming like China, in that there's this great firewall of Canada going up.

00:15:22.720 Trudeau would be happy shutting down any independent sources of news.

00:15:27.940 Soon there will only be two kinds of journalists left in Canada.

00:15:31.800 Government journalists and banned journalists.

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00:16:58.520 Alan Dershowitz is with us.

00:17:00.320 Alan, I have to tell you, I'm experiencing a day I never thought I would experience in America.

00:17:09.940 The company that I founded is under attack by the government.

00:17:15.300 One of our reporters is going to face a judge here in a few minutes. 0.71

00:17:21.320 He, we have the tape of him in the Capitol, and he has been charged with, I don't, where did, what happened to the charges, Stu?

00:17:30.400 Do you have them?

00:17:33.220 I have them digitally here.

00:17:34.580 Go ahead.

00:17:34.780 Give me one second.

00:17:35.460 Now, that's one he's talked about, and he said, you know, look, I'm a journalist, and I know, even as a journalist-

00:17:52.040 The New York Times was there.

00:17:53.120 I'm not allowed to be in these buildings, even if I'm covering these stories.

00:17:58.540 However, the fifth person through a broken window to enter the Capitol was a New York Times journalist, and they are not being charged.

00:18:06.360 And he didn't enter through a broken window.

00:18:08.140 The other two charges, three charges.

00:18:09.800 Disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds.

00:18:13.480 Disorderly conduct in the Capitol building.

00:18:15.620 Didn't happen.

00:18:16.020 Parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building.

00:18:19.160 Didn't happen.

00:18:20.560 Alan, what do we do?

00:18:22.040 Well, you know, when the government starts going after journalists, you know we're in real, real problem.

00:18:27.860 When they go after them selectively, for example, a group of anti-Israel demonstrators early on, even before Israel sent in troops to Gaza, were demonstrating right in the Capitol rotunda.

00:18:38.980 And they were just, you know, politely asked to leave.

00:18:43.380 No charges, as far as I know, have been brought.

00:18:47.340 Likewise, with many, many other demonstrations.

00:18:49.840 And, for example, Black Lives Matter demonstrations and other demonstrations.

00:18:53.720 When the government can pick and choose which journalists to go after and which protesters to go after, you know, we're in Russia, Iran, Cuba territory.

00:19:04.820 Not Thomas Jefferson territory, where as soon as he became president, he rescinded the alien and sedition laws that had blemished our statute books after the enactment of the First Amendment.

00:19:18.380 So we have to stand up and protect our journalists.

00:19:20.740 And, you know, I'm representing one of the people as well, a young law student who went into the Capitol and was charged with a felony.

00:19:28.840 As you know, the Supreme Court has granted review and will hear arguments soon in a case involving whether or not you can charge obstruction of a proceeding.

00:19:38.000 And so I think the Supreme Court may give us some important guidance as to the limitations on what can be done to people who protested on January 6th.

00:19:48.840 Look, myself, personally, I believe the election was acceptable.

00:19:53.820 But I also believe that anybody who disagrees with that has an absolute right to protest it and protest it in a way that our First Amendment protects.

00:20:03.960 And journalists are doubly protected.

00:20:05.720 Yeah, he wasn't protesting.

00:20:08.160 He was there to cover what was going on.

00:20:11.120 He wasn't protesting.

00:20:13.240 It doesn't matter.

00:20:14.340 I mean, it doesn't matter.

00:20:15.900 He has the right to protest.

00:20:18.320 He has the right to cover.

00:20:19.840 He has the right to report.

00:20:21.400 And the government has no power to arrest somebody.

00:20:24.360 And these charges, you know, trespassing and Justice Brandeis, in a great opinion, 100 years ago,

00:20:32.020 said that even trespass laws must give way to the First Amendment.

00:20:35.380 If if you're in his case, he was saying if you're protesting capitalism and you walk on the lawn of a corporation illegally, the First Amendment prevails.

00:20:45.940 And so this is a case that probably will end up in the right way, but not until he's dragged and wear shackles and he has to wear, you know, all that stuff.

00:20:59.220 That's harassment. 0.95

00:21:00.240 I would think that all these cases should be stayed pending the Supreme Court decision, because we don't know how far the court decision will go in permitting protesters.

00:21:11.560 And it doesn't even do it with journalists.

00:21:13.500 As you say, journalists have a special right under the First Amendment.

00:21:17.060 Congress shall make no law, no law abridging the freedom of the press.

00:21:22.360 And this is the freedom of the press.

00:21:25.080 Alan, before we move on to other things, I would like to talk to you about hiring you if if that I don't even know how to go about doing that.

00:21:32.820 But I don't get hired on First Amendment cases.

00:21:36.000 I do it pro bono.

00:21:38.660 Well, and half of my cases in my life have been pro bono.

00:21:42.400 I think almost all of my First Amendment cases.

00:21:45.080 That's crazy.

00:21:45.940 Virtually all of my First Amendment cases have been pro bono.

00:21:48.960 And I think I've won them all.

00:21:50.040 So I have a I have a pretty good record.

00:21:52.500 And I know you do to help out.

00:21:54.420 I'm happy to help out.

00:21:55.300 Thank you.

00:21:55.680 I have to tell you, we're living in a country.

00:21:57.900 You said to me six months ago, you know, if these things happen, we're definitely living in a banana republic.

00:22:03.340 And I have those things gotten worse or better.

00:22:06.820 Oh, they've gotten much worse.

00:22:08.160 And especially the selective application.

00:22:11.540 And again, I don't want to focus too much on this because that's the subject of the show. 0.84

00:22:15.160 But these veeringly and pro-Hamas, anti-Israel demonstrations that have involved spitting at Jews and calling them filthy names and and hitting them and harassing them.

00:22:28.540 That's they've been allowed to go on. 0.99

00:22:30.940 Whereas if you say anything negative about somebody of color, about a gay person or about this administration, you're in deep trouble.

00:22:42.360 It's the selective misuse of prosecutions in the context of freedom of speech.

00:22:49.700 That's so dangerous.

00:22:51.600 If the government can pick and choose who to go after.

00:22:54.540 I mean, as we're talking now, the funeral of Navalny is going on in in Russia.

00:23:01.740 And people are going to be prosecuted.

00:23:04.700 If they're on one side, if they demonstrate in favor of Putin, hey, they're going to get medals.

00:23:10.320 But if they demonstrate against Putin, you know where they're going to end up.

00:23:14.540 And we can't allow ourselves to become that kind of a country.

00:23:19.220 And so we have to stand up against it, regardless of what our personal views may be of the events at issue.

00:23:27.200 We have to stand up for a single standard of free speech and free journalism.

00:23:33.660 I think that's what bothers me so much about this Fonnie Willis trial.

00:23:38.220 These guys, I've never seen I've seen people perjure themselves before, but I've never seen them do it with such zeal.

00:23:45.480 I mean, she didn't even have she didn't even have to testify. 0.99

00:23:49.100 And she was like, no, you're going to want to ask me up there.

00:23:53.220 I want to go up there and lie.

00:23:54.620 Right.

00:23:55.600 I don't have a lie detector in my brain, but I've been doing this now 60 years.

00:24:00.820 And I think I can tell the difference between people who are telling the truth and people who are hiding the truth.

00:24:07.040 And the three key witnesses in the Fonnie Willis case, obviously, we're doing everything to prevent the truth from coming out.

00:24:15.880 I just wonder, and we'll know in a few hours, maybe what the judge's attitude is going to be toward this.

00:24:20.980 I mean, it's going to be very difficult for an elected judge in the same county where she's elected as the DA to look her in the eye and say, I just don't believe you.

00:24:31.580 I think you may be lying.

00:24:32.740 But I think she may be lying.

00:24:35.840 And I think most Americans who watched it on channels other than CNN, CNN, of course, said, oh, she's wonderful.

00:24:42.880 She didn't, you know, the witnesses haven't done anything wrong.

00:24:46.940 This is she's fantastic.

00:24:48.560 But if you watched it on any other channel, you would see for yourself.

00:24:52.940 I mean, who are you going to believe? 0.85

00:24:54.300 CNN or your lying eyes?

00:24:55.640 But it was so clear that this this witness who came forward, the partner of Nathan Wade, was doing everything in his power to try to take back what he had written.

00:25:10.920 He had written in e-mails and text.

00:25:14.140 And it's clear that their relationship began before they said she began.

00:25:19.260 But they, you know, he had gotten a phone call from a friend.

00:25:22.060 I don't know whether it was a threatening phone call or what.

00:25:24.820 But clearly he decided when he took that witness and I'm not testifying against these guys.

00:25:32.280 So you also have the triangulation of their phones that that show.

00:25:39.400 I mean, and I don't believe I mean, Alan, this is the this is the stuff that you would use or anybody else would use to convict a murderer.

00:25:48.080 It's the it is the go to tracking of phones.

00:25:52.640 And they're trying to make it sound like, oh, well, you can't trust that he might have been in the area.

00:25:57.260 This is, you know, I can crazy tell you.

00:25:59.880 I have a case right now.

00:26:01.380 I won the appeal for a man convicted of murder.

00:26:04.180 I won the appeal.

00:26:05.480 It then went back and they had tracking material.

00:26:09.780 They have the pings.

00:26:10.920 And as the result of of the pings, he is now in prison.

00:26:17.100 And what I what I wrote a piece about this and I said, it's funny.

00:26:21.320 Willis can now go in front of the court and say every prosecution that I ever brought brought based on pings.

00:26:27.860 I now want to see them thrown out.

00:26:29.640 I want to see these people go free.

00:26:31.700 She she is destroying one of the major weapons that technology is now provided. 0.63

00:26:38.480 Prosecutors, look, she has a right to say it's circumstantial evidence and it is circumstantial evidence. 0.99

00:26:42.680 But it's damn compelling circumstantial evidence if the guy is right near her apartment at 11, 10 o'clock at night and leaves at 2 30 in the morning.

00:26:51.980 You know, that's reasonable. 0.53

00:26:54.820 People can infer from that.

00:26:56.660 Maybe he was in her apartment doing a little hanky panky during those relevant hours, the hours in which most of these encounters occur.

00:27:05.700 So, you know, let the fact finder infer.

00:27:09.140 Let's see what the fact finder infers from this.

00:27:12.380 I'm really curious.

00:27:13.520 Look, I wrote a book.

00:27:15.140 You know, I've just finished my but this is hard to believe.

00:27:17.760 I've just finished writing and publishing my fourth book in one year.

00:27:22.580 I'm so upset at what's going on.

00:27:24.440 Four books in one year.

00:27:26.200 The first one was Get Trump.

00:27:27.980 The most recent one is War Against the Jews. 0.64

00:27:30.360 But in the Get Trump book, I go through all of these cases and it's so clear that this is selective prosecution, that if his name wasn't Donald Trump and if he wasn't trying to become president again, I'm not going to vote for him.

00:27:45.000 I'm not a Trump supporter, but I am a supporter of the Constitution.

00:27:48.320 If his name wasn't Trump and he wasn't running, there's no way he would be charged in Florida, in Washington, D.C., in New York, in Fulton County.

00:27:59.060 These are all selective prosecutions.

00:28:01.420 And we have to really stand up against it.

00:28:04.300 Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, a liberal, a conservative, we all share a commitment to the rule of law and to the Constitution.

00:28:13.540 That's why I write books.

00:28:15.320 That's why I can't stop writing.

00:28:17.240 My new book, War Against Woke, has just been published.

00:28:21.320 It's coming out in the next couple of weeks.

00:28:23.500 So, you know, I'm a writing frenzy.

00:28:26.240 That's all I can do.

00:28:27.120 It's frustrating.

00:28:27.680 I'm 85 years old.

00:28:28.880 If I were 25 years old, I think I'd be volunteering in Gaza to try to help destroy Hamas.

00:28:34.120 But I'm 85, so all I can do is write and write and write and be on shows like yours.

00:28:39.120 To show that age doesn't matter.

00:28:42.980 Alan Dershowitz, who is 85, as he just said, and sharp as a tack.

00:28:49.120 Alan, thank you so much for everything.

00:28:51.680 Oh, it's my pleasure.

00:28:52.800 Thank you for doing what you do and keeping America on the right track.

00:28:55.640 Thank you.

00:28:56.100 Bye-bye.

00:28:56.400 Alan Dershowitz.

00:28:58.500 Just every time he says it, when he says his age, I cannot stop thinking about the President

00:29:04.680 of the United States.

00:29:05.460 I know.

00:29:05.800 There's a total difference.

00:29:07.180 Totally different.

00:29:09.580 This is a very difficult day to be broadcasting.

00:29:17.320 We are facing real trouble.

00:29:20.300 I mean, that was an honest ask on my part for Alan Dershowitz, because I don't know

00:29:25.780 who will defend the right to free speech, the right of the First Amendment.

00:29:32.200 I don't know what attorney is willing to do that.

00:29:34.860 And for the first time in my life, I actually feel like, in not a joking way, I've got to hire Alan Dershowitz.

00:29:42.980 The good news is, I founded a company that has grown a spine well beyond mine.

00:29:55.060 And we are not going to be intimidated, we are not going to be frightened away, and we're not going to stop.

00:30:08.200 But with everything that is going on in the world, Steve Baker, who was arrested today by the FBI, and charged with nonsense.

00:30:19.360 We are going to defend him.

00:30:25.820 We are going to make him famous.

00:30:32.420 We're going to make him into the journalist the FBI claims he's not.

00:30:37.380 And we're going to do that by showing you the proof.

00:30:42.900 They threatened him for three years, four years, but they didn't do it until he joined us.

00:30:53.360 We understand the consequences.

00:30:57.420 But you will not intimidate us.

00:31:00.940 If our, if it means that we go to jail, so be it.

00:31:10.900 So be it.

00:31:14.300 None of us want to go to jail, but I would rather be in jail than kowtow to wannabe dictators.

00:31:23.220 We cannot do what we do without you.

00:31:31.780 I hate to pitch on this, but we so need you to join us.

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00:31:48.600 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:31:53.220 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:32:00.500 Joined today by Stu Bergeer, our executive producer, and Ricky Feldman, who is my executive producer for television.

00:32:10.980 And the real journalist among the three of us.

00:32:15.480 Please.

00:32:15.840 So we are waiting now in front of the justice building, if you can call it that, the courthouse here in Dallas.

00:32:29.000 One of our colleagues has been arrested today for January 6th.

00:32:32.840 Could we just play the footage that we got from the Capitol last night there?

00:32:41.440 I mean, look at this.

00:32:43.160 Steve is in this footage in the Capitol from January 6th.

00:32:47.180 He is up against the wall right there.

00:32:49.880 He's either writing or he is checking the pictures on his camera to make sure he's gotten the shots that he wants.

00:32:55.880 Not even looking at what's going on.

00:32:57.320 At that point, he's writing.

00:32:58.240 Yeah, he's not engaged in anything other than writing or something.

00:33:03.760 And then soon he's going to move around the crowd and he's going to stand in a doorway doing exactly the same thing except taking pictures.

00:33:13.700 Does it look very disorderly to me?

00:33:17.040 No.

00:33:17.420 He's just texting or writing notes.

00:33:19.200 Not a whole lot of parading.

00:33:21.140 His tripod is actually up against the wall.

00:33:24.300 Have you seen all of this footage?

00:33:28.520 No.

00:33:28.760 We've only got, like, you heard the congressman tell you.

00:33:31.380 No, no, no.

00:33:31.780 I mean, have you seen all five minutes of this?

00:33:33.480 Oh, yeah.

00:33:34.220 It's boring as snot, isn't it?

00:33:35.220 It's very boring.

00:33:36.300 It's, it's, uh, I could see why the FBI didn't want to look at this.

00:33:42.500 I mean, this is not parading.

00:33:44.820 He's not even engaged with the crowd.

00:33:46.860 He's leaning against the wall as the crowd passes by.

00:33:50.800 And it takes notes.

00:33:51.860 We've seen him try to document the events that are going on.

00:33:55.700 But, like, people in front of him are cheering, waving their flags.

00:33:58.780 He's just leaning against the wall.

00:34:01.160 Writing.

00:34:03.320 Writing.

00:34:05.140 And taking photographs and videos.

00:34:07.400 Uh, this is, this is insane.

00:34:15.120 But then again, this is, this is not the only journalist.

00:34:18.680 Uh, the other journalist that all other journalists seem to have turned their back on, uh, is, uh, Catherine Erich.

00:34:27.660 She was at CBS, right?

00:34:30.980 She was just fired. 1.00

00:34:32.680 She's been all over.

00:34:33.760 She's worked at ABC, NBC, Fox, uh, and she was at CBS.

00:34:37.880 They just fired her. 1.00

00:34:39.760 And now she is facing jail time because she won't reveal the source of a witness.

00:34:46.720 And, uh, that witness that whistleblowed to her was whistleblowing on how there is an infiltration in our universities from China.

00:35:00.900 And the government wants to know who her source was.

00:35:04.240 And so they're putting her in jail.

00:35:06.300 What a surprise it has something to do with China, hmm?

00:35:10.740 So that's two journalists in jail today.

00:35:15.180 Ricky, uh, I'm sorry, uh, Jill, um, Jill Savage is down at the courthouse and she's, we're waiting for Steve to come out.

00:35:26.480 But what is the situation?

00:35:27.780 Have you heard Jill?

00:35:29.420 Yeah, I did.

00:35:30.440 I was just up in the room with Steve Baker as he was going through his arraignment.

00:35:34.940 He was there with four, uh, four defendants walked in.

00:35:38.600 Steve, it was nice enough, uh, that they were letting him wear his blue dress pants and dress shirts.

00:35:43.880 So the orange jumpsuit that we were talking about earlier on the show, Glenn, did not happen.

00:35:47.980 But he was indeed shackled at his wrists and ankles.

00:35:51.900 Steve looked over at us as he walked in to the, to the courthouse and indefinitely showed, uh, those, those shackles there on his wrists and ankles.

00:36:00.360 And Steve, it is going to be known that he will be released sometime today.

00:36:05.200 They were asked that the government lawyer said that that was fine, that that was going to be part of, of today's proceedings.

00:36:11.140 Um, and then he will be set to appear in court in the district of Columbia on March 14th at 1230 Eastern standard.

00:36:20.120 So that will be the next thing that we should look for, for Steve Baker.

00:36:23.580 Do we know the judge still in the, um, in the charges, it was signed by a district of Columbia judge.

00:36:32.000 We should look up the judge.

00:36:33.660 Is that the hanging judge in the, I mean, he's going into territory now where he, you know, good luck getting a fair trial.

00:36:43.480 Yeah, absolutely.

00:36:44.800 And I think that was one of the things that the lawyers definitely knew what they were getting in for today.

00:36:49.360 We were able to speak with them just briefly, uh, before they went up into the courtroom.

00:36:54.340 But that is now the unknown is what happens when things do get to the district of Columbia on March 14th.

00:37:00.000 Uh, tell Steve that I talked to Alan Dershowitz today and, uh, Alan is, uh, willing to get involved, uh, pro bono to help him, uh, for free speech cases.

00:37:13.620 This isn't the only one, unfortunately, that is now popping up.

00:37:17.860 Um, thank you so much.

00:37:19.460 I appreciate it.

00:37:20.920 That's Jill Savage.

00:37:21.960 Yeah, I'll definitely let him know.

00:37:23.340 Uh, Blaze TV reporter.

00:37:24.880 And if he shows up, we'll, uh, take him.

00:37:29.180 I'm Jill's going to interview him immediately.

00:37:31.580 Um, but we'll take that.

00:37:33.660 And is that the same with, um, uh, Steve Dace?

00:37:39.380 Is he going to take that or should we stay on or?

00:37:42.760 Steve will, uh, he'll be able to talk to Steve Baker if, uh, we miss him in this last half hour.

00:37:49.120 So if you're Blaze TV subscribers, uh, Steve Dace takes over for me in about, uh, 20 minutes.

00:37:54.420 Uh, and, um, and he will, he will continue our coverage on this.

00:37:59.700 It is a really dark day for America.

00:38:03.580 Um, he was, Steve Baker is a guy who is an investigative journalist.

00:38:09.740 He's an independent correspondent that we had used.

00:38:13.340 We have since hired him.

00:38:15.020 Uh, and I think that's when his real trouble began, um, because we had the money to be able to, uh, fund him going in with a whole staff of people to go through these 40,000 hours of, uh, of video on January 6th.

00:38:34.360 And we showed that, I mean, these guys who have been convicted by testimony of absolute liars, provable liars.

00:38:44.800 What he did a few weeks ago with, um, two of the people that are testifying against a lot of these people, uh, in January 6th, we, Steve went and he followed them on all of the video cameras in the Capitol.

00:38:58.660 And he could track them and where they said they were and what they said they saw and what they said they did.

00:39:05.780 And what the crowd did all lies, not even close, not like, oh, well, you couldn't see how he not even close.

00:39:12.580 They weren't even there.

00:39:13.500 And that's what Steve's been working on.

00:39:18.100 And he's working on another story, um, that, uh, I can't tell you it's not my place.

00:39:24.480 And I don't think he has it all buttoned up, but if it is true, if he can prove it, it's regime changing, uh, regime changing.

00:39:37.920 Hang on just a second, Ricky Webb.

00:39:41.260 I am starting to look through the complaint from the government.

00:39:44.520 There are some quotes in here that, you know, if Steve said this and if they're in context, it looks damning.

00:39:52.400 Um, I'm not a lawyer, so it would probably be good to have Alan Dershowitz look at it and just to ask Steve himself if we can.

00:39:59.840 Um, I've emailed a few of those to you.

00:40:01.860 To me?

00:40:02.340 Yeah, I've emailed a few of those to you while they just came out while we were on air.

00:40:05.760 And where did those come from?

00:40:09.280 This is from the actual government complaint that was just released today.

00:40:16.880 Certainly go through this as we, uh, as we get it and, uh, all the information that comes through is going to be a lot of legal wrangling and looking at this through not only the lens of public opinion, but also obviously the legal lens, which is going to be the more important thing for Steve personally.

00:40:33.200 Um, but regardless, you know, you, we, we've seen how many times the behind the scenes, the behind the scenes, uh, text messages of, of FBI officials and CIA officials and journalists, uh, on the other side, they say all sorts of stuff.

00:40:55.980 Uh, you know, this has been common and honestly, usually dismissed by the left and certainly the legal institutions.

00:41:03.200 And, uh, by the way, all you have to do is smear somebody in a way you can't prove.

00:41:09.580 Smear somebody in, because already anybody who is arrested for January 6th is going to be discredited by half the country.

00:41:18.360 Half the country will say, well, I got what I deserve.

00:41:21.540 Um, we have the videotape.

00:41:24.260 Uh, you know, if, look, if he broke the law, I'm, I'm, I'll stand against him.

00:41:31.160 I've told him that to his face 10 times.

00:41:32.840 Yeah. 0.88

00:41:33.120 Look, if I go in there and I see you hitting, hitting a cop over the head with a flagpole, I'm going to be rooting for you to be in prison for many, many years.

00:41:40.540 Well, uh, there's just no evidence of this.

00:41:42.620 No, none, none.

00:41:44.880 Uh, and that's all they need.

00:41:46.300 They just need people to, uh, say, well, he's got what he deserved.

00:41:52.580 Na, na, na, na, na.

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