The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Alan Dershowitz & Kimberley Strassel ｜ 7⧸20⧸23

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00:01:35.480 Mr. Alan Dershowitz, welcome to the program. I don't even know where to begin.

00:01:55.680 But since you wrote the book, Get Trump, let's start with them getting Trump. What is happening?

00:02:02.620 Well, before we get to Get Trump, I want to just say one word of commendation about the president of Israel, Isaac Herzog,

00:02:10.680 who made one of the most brilliant speeches in front of a joint session of Congress yesterday with bigoted, racist anti-Semites like Bernie Sanders,

00:02:21.700 a Jewish anti-Semite, walking out of his speech, AOC walking out of his speech,

00:02:27.160 five or six Democrats who would come to hear Castro, who would come to hear Pol Pot, who would come to hear any dictator on the left,

00:02:37.320 refused to listen to the great president of Israel. I commended him as soon as his speech was over.

00:02:43.140 He wrote me a lovely note back.

00:02:44.740 So I just want your audience to know that not all members of Congress are decent people.

00:02:52.000 These folks that wouldn't listen to our closest ally and who don't believe in the right of the nation-state of Israel to exist as a Jewish state

00:03:01.940 are a shame and a scandal to America.

00:03:05.300 And Herzog, who went to high school in America and whose father was the president of Israel,

00:03:09.380 his grandfather was the chief rabbi of Israel, is really just a great person.

00:03:13.820 I hope people watch his speech. You can get it on YouTube.

00:03:16.740 And now to Donald Trump.

00:03:18.720 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Before you go there, Alan, before we go there,

00:03:22.840 I would like to have you back on another time because I'm so packed up today.

00:03:28.340 But I'd like to have you on another time to explain what the heck is happening with the Supreme Court over there.

00:03:34.280 I don't think most people even understand, and they don't know what the good guy and bad guy is.

00:03:41.180 Well, there are no good guys and bad guys.

00:03:42.800 There's just a dispute that's going on that's reasonable,

00:03:45.220 very similar to the dispute in the United States when Democrats want to pack the court.

00:03:49.720 I'm a real expert on that, and I've been advising the president of Israel,

00:03:53.380 the prime minister of Israel, and others on this issue.

00:03:56.100 So I would be thrilled to come back and explain to the American public exactly what's at stake.

00:04:00.880 Good. Okay. So let's talk about Get Trump and what is happening.

00:04:06.520 Is there a chance he goes to jail on this?

00:04:09.820 Yeah, sure. There's a chance he gets sentenced to prison.

00:04:12.460 It would be in a long time.

00:04:15.460 I mean, the worst case scenario for Trump is he gets tried just before the election.

00:04:21.620 If he's tried in the District of Columbia,

00:04:23.560 the reason he was so anxious to get him into the District of Columbia,

00:04:26.080 he has a jury pool that voted against him 91%,

00:04:30.200 and many judges who have already expressed views very strong against Trump.

00:04:36.160 So if he gets to be prosecuted in the District of Columbia,

00:04:39.600 even if he's totally innocent,

00:04:41.720 juries in the District of Columbia will indict a ham sandwich,

00:04:44.340 will convict a ham sandwich if his name is Trump.

00:04:47.920 So there is a chance he could get convicted,

00:04:50.680 although the case against him, I haven't seen the indictment,

00:04:52.860 but based on press reports, seems extremely stressed and stretched and weak,

00:04:58.420 as does the case in New York.

00:05:00.100 The Florida case is the only one that has some legs,

00:05:03.180 but that would, you know, be a minor, it'd be, you know, a paper case.

00:05:06.400 Well, he mishandled some documents.

00:05:08.880 So I don't think he's going to prison on Florida or New York,

00:05:12.520 but he could be sentenced to prison in Washington, D.C.,

00:05:16.200 and then the question is, does he win the election?

00:05:19.040 If he wins the election, he can't, I think the law would be clear.

00:05:23.280 He has to serve his term as president,

00:05:26.540 and then you can have all kinds of debates about whether he should go to prison or not.

00:05:32.540 But if he loses the election and loses the trial,

00:05:36.120 it's certainly possible he could end up in prison for a couple of years.

00:05:40.240 That's within the realm of possibility.

00:05:42.060 You cannot get the right lawyers to defend them.

00:05:46.760 Why?

00:05:47.480 Because there's a fascist organization called 65 Project,

00:05:53.280 a group of radical left lawyers who have pledged to go after the bar licenses

00:05:59.800 of any lawyer who defends Trump.

00:06:01.900 They're going after me.

00:06:03.400 I defended Trump,

00:06:05.000 and I defended the correct approach to election machines and vote counting,

00:06:10.620 and they filed a bar complaint against me.

00:06:13.900 And when you file a bar complaint against me,

00:06:16.200 a law professor of 50 years and never did anything wrong,

00:06:18.720 the message it sends to other lawyers is,

00:06:21.780 don't go near Donald Trump.

00:06:23.820 Don't defend him.

00:06:24.880 And I got a call yesterday from a lawyer who's trying to put together a team for Donald Trump

00:06:29.280 to defend him in D.C.

00:06:31.040 Nobody, no good lawyer, really great lawyer,

00:06:34.620 is prepared to take the risk of getting disbarred.

00:06:36.580 This is a fascist approach to McCarthyism and the lack of due process and adequate representation.

00:06:46.280 So how do we stop that, Alan?

00:06:48.540 Because I know that I've had a great set of attorneys that I'd worked with for years

00:06:55.660 that dropped me as a client because I was too controversial.

00:06:59.860 And I'm like,

00:07:00.560 you're my freedom of speech lawyers.

00:07:03.340 What are you talking about?

00:07:04.440 And how do you get a great lawyer?

00:07:08.100 What do we do to,

00:07:09.860 is there any legal way to stop these people?

00:07:15.440 It's expensive.

00:07:16.580 You know,

00:07:16.760 they have a tremendous amount of money behind them,

00:07:18.880 whether it's George Soros' money,

00:07:20.380 I don't know.

00:07:21.180 But they have unlimited resources.

00:07:23.560 And people who are fighting for the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution,

00:07:26.840 the right to counsel,

00:07:28.040 the First Amendment free speech aren't funding it.

00:07:30.280 We should be organizing an organization,

00:07:33.320 bipartisan,

00:07:34.120 nonpartisan,

00:07:35.240 an organization of people who love the Constitution,

00:07:38.120 to go after the 65 project,

00:07:40.580 and go after these lawyers who are trying to prevent Donald Trump and others from getting lawyers.

00:07:48.040 Look,

00:07:48.200 I won't be cowed.

00:07:49.500 I'm too old for that.

00:07:50.640 I'm going to be 85 in a month.

00:07:52.100 I'm not going to be cowed by a bunch of radical left-wing lawyers.

00:07:55.720 But,

00:07:56.320 you know,

00:07:56.740 a 45-year-old lawyer with a family to support is not going to take on Donald Trump's case if he knows he might lose his bar license.

00:08:03.580 So we have to fight back.

00:08:05.840 And you can start organizing that campaign to fight back.

00:08:09.780 We need people who love the Constitution,

00:08:12.260 whether they're right,

00:08:13.060 left,

00:08:13.300 or center,

00:08:13.740 to fight back against this McCarthyite unconstitutional attack on lawyers who want to defend controversial defenders.

00:08:22.140 Look,

00:08:22.240 I didn't vote for Donald Trump.

00:08:23.520 I defended him because his impeachment was unconstitutional.

00:08:27.720 And I think today some of the charges against him are unconstitutional.

00:08:31.500 I don't care whether he's a Democrat or a Republican.

00:08:34.260 I only care about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

00:08:37.920 So,

00:08:38.540 Alan,

00:08:38.880 you tell me,

00:08:39.940 you find a group or you put a group together,

00:08:42.620 and I'll help finance.

00:08:44.240 I mean,

00:08:44.580 I think a lot of people in the audience will do the same thing.

00:08:48.000 And you're right,

00:08:49.000 it shouldn't be partisan,

00:08:50.020 but it might end up being because it seems there's too many people that are too afraid,

00:08:55.540 even of their own side,

00:08:57.880 to actually get involved.

00:08:59.780 And it's shameful.

00:09:00.760 Just shameful.

00:09:02.300 There's no doubt about that.

00:09:03.880 What people on Martha's Vineyard,

00:09:06.060 for example,

00:09:06.480 did to my wife and my family,

00:09:07.980 when I defended Trump,

00:09:09.580 these are people who I've helped for years.

00:09:11.640 I've been living on the vineyard for 53 years.

00:09:14.460 And once I defended Trump,

00:09:16.760 I was denied the right to speak in the library.

00:09:19.560 I was denied the right to speak in the community center,

00:09:22.520 in the book fair.

00:09:24.240 My wife was attacked.

00:09:26.080 The restaurant we go to was told,

00:09:27.860 if you dare to serve the Dershowitzes,

00:09:29.780 we'll never come there again.

00:09:31.380 I mean,

00:09:31.700 it's pure McCarthyism.

00:09:33.760 McCarthyism.

00:09:34.300 There's a new movie out called Oppenheimer.

00:09:36.180 I haven't seen it,

00:09:37.000 but I read the book.

00:09:39.000 And it's about what happened in the 1960s and 50s,

00:09:43.480 when I was a college student.

00:09:44.860 We don't want to ever see a recurrence of that.

00:09:46.940 We want to see the Constitution alive and well and thriving,

00:09:51.020 whether you're right,

00:09:51.860 left,

00:09:52.080 or center.

00:09:53.860 So can you talk to us a little bit about what's happening with the Hunter

00:09:57.140 Biden case yesterday?

00:09:58.760 Yeah.

00:09:59.420 This is phenomenal that we have two really credible,

00:10:05.100 one,

00:10:05.480 a Democrat whistleblowers,

00:10:07.480 very high up in the IRS talking about how they were obstructed on this.

00:10:12.880 And that even the,

00:10:15.260 the,

00:10:16.100 uh,

00:10:16.380 secret service alerted Hunter Biden before and made sure that he wasn't available.

00:10:22.380 And then on top of that,

00:10:23.980 that the transition team was briefed by the DOJ.

00:10:29.820 If I know it's a terrible attack on our legal system.

00:10:33.920 Look,

00:10:34.320 Hunter Biden was lucky.

00:10:35.260 He got a very,

00:10:35.920 very good lawyer.

00:10:36.940 Abby Lowell is a great lawyer. 0.96

00:10:38.340 And he defended him and got him a good deal.

00:10:40.700 I don't know if the judge is going to allow the deal to go through in light of

00:10:43.380 all this.

00:10:44.260 Uh,

00:10:44.540 there has to be a special counsel appointed.

00:10:47.160 Why?

00:10:47.820 Because we now know that the U S attorney in,

00:10:51.120 um,

00:10:51.700 Delaware,

00:10:52.060 who was essentially appointed by Democrats,

00:10:54.720 although he nominally was appointed by,

00:10:56.700 um,

00:10:57.320 by Trump,

00:10:58.140 uh,

00:10:58.600 the recommendation came from the two democratic senators.

00:11:01.640 Um,

00:11:02.220 that is not what it matters.

00:11:04.140 What matters is he was told he had complete jurisdiction to follow the money and follow

00:11:08.860 the crimes to the district of Columbia and to California.

00:11:11.980 And when he tried to do it,

00:11:13.040 according to reports,

00:11:14.540 he was stymie.

00:11:15.660 So we have to have a special prosecutor who has universal jurisdiction and follow the

00:11:20.020 money to Ukraine can follow the money to China,

00:11:22.420 no restrictions on his jurisdiction and see what the truth is.

00:11:26.600 Remember a whistleblower.

00:11:28.200 I'm so proud of whistleblowers that come forward and there ought to be more,

00:11:31.720 but being a little whistleblower doesn't guarantee that you have complete

00:11:36.220 credibility.

00:11:36.800 So we have to check everything that was said yesterday,

00:11:39.420 but if it turns out to be true,

00:11:41.360 there's more than probable cause to appoint a special prosecutor to look in depth

00:11:46.600 to this case rather than the current situation.

00:11:49.580 Yeah.

00:11:49.600 Can we trust a special counsel at this,

00:11:52.920 at this time?

00:11:53.800 I mean,

00:11:54.060 how many have we had?

00:11:55.260 And I mean,

00:11:56.940 they just go on and on and on.

00:11:58.740 And well,

00:12:00.160 some have done good jobs.

00:12:01.520 Um,

00:12:02.320 uh,

00:12:02.720 you know,

00:12:03.060 the,

00:12:03.280 the whitewater council against Clinton and then they,

00:12:05.960 and then the star,

00:12:06.980 uh,

00:12:07.520 they were very aggressive and they pursued it to,

00:12:10.120 to impeachment,

00:12:10.840 which failed,

00:12:11.480 but impeachment,

00:12:11.980 the right person.

00:12:13.220 It's all about the right person.

00:12:14.920 Archibald Cox was the right person.

00:12:16.980 I could give you a list of 10 people,

00:12:19.040 uh,

00:12:19.620 former judges,

00:12:20.360 uh,

00:12:21.160 people who are Republicans,

00:12:22.360 uh,

00:12:23.280 give you two examples off the top of my head.

00:12:25.300 Mike Mukasey,

00:12:26.480 the former attorney general of the United States under Bush.

00:12:29.080 He would be a perfect special counsel.

00:12:31.340 Louis free,

00:12:32.140 the former head of the FBI,

00:12:33.600 uh,

00:12:34.180 again,

00:12:34.540 a Republican,

00:12:35.080 but a moderate,

00:12:36.500 a former judge,

00:12:37.220 both of them,

00:12:37.780 former judges.

00:12:38.580 They would be extraordinary.

00:12:39.900 These people have great reputations and they'll never allow their reputations to be sullied.

00:12:44.980 And they will never take orders from Garland.

00:12:47.300 They would never take orders from Bush.

00:12:49.100 They would never take orders from anybody.

00:12:50.920 They would do their job and they could do it well.

00:12:53.500 And they're at the end of their careers.

00:12:55.160 They don't have to worry about whether or not they're going to get another job later.

00:12:58.840 We could see real justice done.

00:13:01.120 If people like that were appointed to get to the bottom of this,

00:13:04.180 I don't know whether it's true or not,

00:13:06.680 but if it's true,

00:13:08.000 it is devastating.

00:13:10.720 And who appoints that special counsel?

00:13:13.500 What are we waiting for?

00:13:15.520 Well,

00:13:15.900 the appointment comes from Garland,

00:13:17.680 but that has to come with a lot of political pressure,

00:13:19.900 uh,

00:13:20.680 from the house of representatives,

00:13:22.100 uh,

00:13:23.040 from,

00:13:23.500 um,

00:13:24.260 other people from the public.

00:13:25.820 And,

00:13:26.340 and,

00:13:26.720 and he,

00:13:27.640 he,

00:13:27.940 he shouldn't make an appointment and he should appoint somebody who is beyond reproach.

00:13:33.040 Somebody who everybody,

00:13:35.000 the wall street journal and the New York times,

00:13:37.520 CNN and Fox and MS,

00:13:40.120 NBC and,

00:13:41.240 uh,

00:13:42.000 uh,

00:13:42.380 Newsmax all agree.

00:13:43.560 This is the guy.

00:13:45.140 This is the woman.

00:13:46.480 This is the person who can get to the bottom of this without that.

00:13:50.720 So America's faith in the legal system is diminishing.

00:13:53.660 So I have to tell you,

00:13:56.880 I'm listening to this podcast.

00:13:58.680 I'm driving in my car and I'm thinking,

00:14:01.020 well,

00:14:01.300 okay,

00:14:01.560 well that's not going to happen.

00:14:03.120 I mean,

00:14:03.300 I think people,

00:14:04.200 they say they don't care anymore.

00:14:06.320 It's not that they don't care.

00:14:07.720 It's that they don't think anything's going to happen.

00:14:09.880 If we are reliant on a guy who quite honestly,

00:14:13.360 Merrick Garland,

00:14:13.960 who I think should,

00:14:15.080 should,

00:14:15.640 it should at least be considered that he faces an impeachment.

00:14:20.080 Um,

00:14:20.820 if you expect him to prove to,

00:14:23.700 uh,

00:14:24.420 appoint somebody that the world is going to trust,

00:14:27.300 I,

00:14:28.080 I,

00:14:28.220 we're living in fantasy land.

00:14:30.460 Well,

00:14:31.100 that may be the case.

00:14:32.200 What's,

00:14:32.680 what's the alternative?

00:14:34.020 Look,

00:14:34.360 Merrick Garland could have been on the Supreme court.

00:14:37.140 Um,

00:14:38.080 he,

00:14:38.460 it ends up,

00:14:39.120 he may not be the right man for the job he has now.

00:14:42.620 Um,

00:14:43.420 but,

00:14:44.360 um,

00:14:45.000 but he's a man,

00:14:46.120 he,

00:14:46.460 he can't be impeached by the way,

00:14:48.060 because he hasn't committed any crimes to be impeached.

00:14:50.760 It has to be treason,

00:14:51.960 bribery,

00:14:52.400 or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

00:14:54.580 Um,

00:14:55.060 just having,

00:14:55.880 uh,

00:14:56.480 mal administration or malpractice,

00:14:58.780 the framers of the constitution rejected that.

00:15:01.120 So I don't agree.

00:15:02.180 But lying,

00:15:02.560 lying to Congress.

00:15:05.420 Well,

00:15:06.140 uh,

00:15:06.400 that would be,

00:15:07.140 an impeachable offense,

00:15:08.240 obviously,

00:15:08.760 if it were perjury.

00:15:10.160 Um,

00:15:10.720 my,

00:15:11.120 my understanding is that the allegations that he lied were mostly in media discussions,

00:15:17.640 but you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he actually knowingly lied,

00:15:22.420 not that he made a mistake,

00:15:23.520 but put that aside.

00:15:25.420 Uh,

00:15:25.680 if the public pressure is enough,

00:15:27.180 look,

00:15:27.340 there's another alternative and that is,

00:15:29.240 uh,

00:15:29.840 voting for third party candidates.

00:15:31.740 We're now seeing this new,

00:15:33.700 uh,

00:15:34.240 group emerging,

00:15:35.060 um,

00:15:35.980 uh,

00:15:36.300 called no labels with,

00:15:38.120 uh,

00:15:38.700 um,

00:15:39.300 uh,

00:15:39.580 Joe Lieberman and Manchin and others who are thinking about saying to the American public,

00:15:44.080 look,

00:15:44.380 you don't have to choose between Biden and Trump.

00:15:46.980 Here's,

00:15:47.680 here's the third alternative of moderate middle centrist people who can give you,

00:15:52.660 uh,

00:15:53.120 a third alternative,

00:15:54.040 uh,

00:15:55.020 having that a strong option puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the attorney general,

00:16:00.820 on the president to do the right thing.

00:16:02.640 And maybe it won't succeed,

00:16:04.100 but your guy driving the car has a point.

00:16:06.380 Um,

00:16:06.800 you know,

00:16:07.160 it's,

00:16:07.480 it's unlikely.

00:16:08.460 Any of these things are unlikely to happen.

00:16:11.560 Alan Dershowitz,

00:16:12.700 the author of get Trump and the,

00:16:14.420 uh,

00:16:14.800 the,

00:16:15.180 uh,

00:16:15.360 host of the podcast,

00:16:16.740 the Dershow.

00:16:17.600 Thank you,

00:16:18.160 Alan.

00:16:18.360 We'll talk again.

00:16:19.660 My pleasure.

00:16:20.340 Thank you.

00:16:24.800 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:16:28.320 Let me go to,

00:16:29.160 uh,

00:16:29.360 Carol Roth.

00:16:30.360 Hello,

00:16:30.660 Carol.

00:16:30.960 How are you?

00:16:32.000 Hey,

00:16:32.280 good morning,

00:16:32.820 Glenn.

00:16:33.000 How are you?

00:16:34.580 Very good.

00:16:35.220 Is your audio book available yet?

00:16:38.080 Yes.

00:16:38.480 In fact,

00:16:38.840 I get people on Twitter to listen to my audio book and say,

00:16:41.980 Glenn,

00:16:42.580 where is your audio book?

00:16:44.600 I don't know.

00:16:45.400 You would have to ask Amazon that question.

00:16:47.700 Uh,

00:16:48.200 we couldn't get our audio book up,

00:16:50.300 uh,

00:16:50.560 for some reason.

00:16:51.380 It's a strange,

00:16:52.200 isn't it?

00:16:53.140 So,

00:16:53.560 uh,

00:16:54.200 it's not,

00:16:55.080 it's not strange because they actually wouldn't release the people who did the early reviews for my book either.

00:17:00.900 What?

00:17:03.980 Really?

00:17:05.700 Yes.

00:17:07.580 Yeah,

00:17:07.700 that's great.

00:17:08.360 Um,

00:17:08.600 yeah,

00:17:08.940 it's a big,

00:17:09.320 big head scratcher there.

00:17:11.280 Yeah.

00:17:11.820 I know that we have violated all kinds of rules by even having,

00:17:15.840 uh,

00:17:16.360 the great reset on the cover of the book.

00:17:18.820 That's a verbatim,

00:17:20.820 uh,

00:17:21.520 phrase that you're just not supposed to say.

00:17:24.540 Um,

00:17:24.900 but it's the truth and,

00:17:26.880 uh,

00:17:27.180 we'll take on the world economic forum,

00:17:29.020 but,

00:17:29.360 uh,

00:17:29.520 they're not making it easy.

00:17:31.040 Uh,

00:17:31.560 if you,

00:17:31.880 if you haven't had the chance to get the book dark future,

00:17:35.520 uh,

00:17:36.480 hurry,

00:17:36.900 uh,

00:17:37.860 you can do that at,

00:17:39.080 uh,

00:17:39.520 you can find it at,

00:17:40.940 uh,

00:17:41.200 at,

00:17:41.540 uh,

00:17:41.700 glenn's new book.com.

00:17:43.180 Also,

00:17:43.720 Carol Roth just put her new book out and it's,

00:17:46.920 you'll own nothing.

00:17:47.980 And I wanted to have her on today,

00:17:50.220 by the way,

00:17:50.580 it's a great companion book.

00:17:51.900 These two go together really,

00:17:53.220 really well.

00:17:54.180 Um,

00:17:54.700 I,

00:17:54.980 I wanted to talk to you and pick it up where we were,

00:17:57.620 uh,

00:17:58.200 the other day.

00:17:58.920 And that is renting the American dream and talking about how,

00:18:03.880 uh,

00:18:04.620 the American dream is not a house,

00:18:07.700 but that's how we describe it.

00:18:09.340 And we describe it as such is because that is the one thing that grows wealth.

00:18:15.720 You know,

00:18:16.160 you always hear my mom and dad,

00:18:17.780 bought this house for,

00:18:18.900 you know,

00:18:19.080 1965 for $5,000 and now it's worth a million.

00:18:23.160 Um,

00:18:23.760 it is,

00:18:24.380 it is something that allows you to grow wealth.

00:18:27.560 And if you can't grow your wealth in something like that,

00:18:31.560 uh,

00:18:32.380 then you,

00:18:33.620 you lose the American dream,

00:18:35.780 which is to be able to chart your own course,

00:18:38.280 especially if you are renting and you're not renting from a neighbor,

00:18:44.540 you're renting from a corporate entity.

00:18:46.680 This is just disgusting.

00:18:49.040 What is happening.

00:18:50.160 Can you explain a little bit more?

00:18:53.100 Yeah.

00:18:53.800 So this is,

00:18:54.500 um,

00:18:54.760 really something that the corporations coming in and competing with

00:18:58.820 individuals for single family homes,

00:19:01.080 which as you mentioned is the largest driver of wealth on household balance

00:19:05.820 sheets across the U S this is something that didn't happen before 2010.

00:19:10.140 So after all of the ridiculous policies that came out of the great recession,

00:19:15.280 financial crisis that bailed out wall street and,

00:19:19.300 you know,

00:19:19.440 cost almost 6 million Americans,

00:19:22.200 their homes via foreclosure or short sale,

00:19:25.200 they did not get the bailout.

00:19:27.440 Um,

00:19:27.840 you know,

00:19:28.100 there was all of this supply in the markets of really cheap homes.

00:19:32.420 At the same time,

00:19:33.760 the fed decided they were going to give a gift to wall street.

00:19:36.800 And that was going to be abundant,

00:19:38.400 cheap capital through their policy of artificially suppressing interest rates and

00:19:45.080 printing a lot of money.

00:19:46.780 And it was to the point that what we call there was almost free money that they

00:19:52.840 had had negative real interest rates that basically the interest rates that they

00:19:57.080 had on the loan were actually lower than inflation was at that point in time.

00:20:02.060 So when wall street had access to all of this money,

00:20:05.340 it started to invest in various assets and inflate those for some,

00:20:10.240 some reason that never counts as real inflation,

00:20:12.400 um,

00:20:13.160 because it benefits the,

00:20:14.460 you know,

00:20:14.660 the wealthy and the well connected when those asset prices go up.

00:20:17.680 And then they ran out of places on a sort of a risk reward basis that they

00:20:21.980 felt they could put the capital.

00:20:23.880 So in 2010,

00:20:24.580 you started getting corporations competing with individuals to buy homes.

00:20:29.900 It did not meaningfully exist prior to that,

00:20:32.600 to the point that we now have more than one in every five homes as of the end of

00:20:38.020 last year that was purchased by a corporation.

00:20:41.480 And these corporations are not looking to make them better and,

00:20:45.620 and you get them back to you.

00:20:47.060 So you can have that wealth creation opportunity.

00:20:49.200 They are looking to rent you the American dream.

00:20:52.300 They want to take that wealth that you would have created for your family,

00:20:56.220 for your legacy.

00:20:58.000 And they want to transfer that to wall street.

00:21:01.060 And so one of the things I did in the book,

00:21:02.940 Glenn,

00:21:03.320 you know,

00:21:03.580 I like to let everybody speak for themselves.

00:21:05.600 So I went to their financial statements and I,

00:21:07.880 and their financial filings,

00:21:09.680 the 10 Ks,

00:21:10.340 the annual reports,

00:21:11.100 and I just reprinted what they said.

00:21:13.520 And they said they are specifically targeting the middle class because those are

00:21:18.320 the ones who have the jobs who can go out and earn money and basically give

00:21:22.800 that wealth over to wall street.

00:21:24.800 And that this is a golden opportunity for this new asset class.

00:21:30.300 And so really the implications of you owning nothing in terms of not being able

00:21:36.140 to own a house,

00:21:37.140 which by the way is also influenced not just by this policy,

00:21:40.820 but by additional government regulations at the federal state and local level.

00:21:45.620 The disruption of labor in the labor market means that you don't,

00:21:50.980 that you're not able to generate this wealth.

00:21:53.200 It also has social credit implications.

00:21:56.700 As you know,

00:21:57.620 we talk about,

00:21:58.720 you know,

00:21:59.400 on this program,

00:22:00.200 I talk about in you are nothing you reference in dark future.

00:22:04.000 Think about if you don't own your home and now you have to rent that from one of

00:22:10.160 these corporations,

00:22:10.980 which by the way happens to be backed by all of the,

00:22:13.920 you know,

00:22:14.400 big financial companies that are pushing things like ESG and whatnot.

00:22:18.800 You know,

00:22:19.260 what happens if you say something that they don't like on social media,

00:22:23.940 do you then lose access to your home?

00:22:26.140 Just like you've lost access perhaps to the Twitter platform or to,

00:22:30.860 you know,

00:22:31.020 some other social media platform or to,

00:22:32.920 you know,

00:22:33.340 one of these online payment systems,

00:22:35.040 it really puts much more at risk for your future.

00:22:40.320 And that's happening already.

00:22:42.120 I mean,

00:22:42.620 you try to get my kids into certain schools just because you're white, 0.90

00:22:47.700 try to get your kid in a certain school.

00:22:50.120 We're already doing this.

00:22:52.400 We're just not doing it system systemically throughout.

00:22:57.740 It's organized throughout all of society,

00:23:01.820 but that is coming there.

00:23:03.520 They're also the IRS is also going after your inheritance.

00:23:07.400 And this is really so nefarious.

00:23:10.980 I have spent my life making money and the money that I want to keep it to pass on to my kids.

00:23:18.660 I'm doing it through my ranch.

00:23:20.360 And we have been building and taking care of this property and really,

00:23:26.360 I mean,

00:23:27.120 we're really,

00:23:28.480 really look at this land as sacred and my kids,

00:23:32.720 I have to put enough money away.

00:23:34.660 So my kids will be able to pay the taxes on the land,

00:23:38.400 et cetera,

00:23:39.000 et cetera,

00:23:39.360 because you don't honestly ever own anything.

00:23:42.700 They can take it from you at any time.

00:23:44.740 But when I die,

00:23:46.380 if I haven't,

00:23:48.120 you know,

00:23:48.760 done the,

00:23:49.500 you know,

00:23:50.060 the legal loopholes with all the attorneys and,

00:23:53.580 and only the rich can really do things like this.

00:23:56.880 My kids will lose the,

00:23:59.320 where they will have to sell the ranch for the taxes.

00:24:02.700 And that's obscene.

00:24:04.240 And what happens is when they take it for the taxes,

00:24:07.960 the government takes all of the money for the taxes,

00:24:10.920 and then they sell the farm to probably some corporate entity to get it out of

00:24:17.980 the hands again of,

00:24:19.600 you know,

00:24:19.760 the average person there.

00:24:22.020 This is,

00:24:22.980 this is stripping the American dream and just putting it into the water like

00:24:29.720 chum.

00:24:31.580 It's true.

00:24:32.520 And there's another thing that I talk about.

00:24:34.400 I have a chapter on the,

00:24:35.500 the upcoming wealth heist that relates to this.

00:24:38.100 So you talk about,

00:24:39.620 you know,

00:24:39.860 your farm is being something that you want to,

00:24:42.260 your ranch is something you want to be passing down.

00:24:44.980 There is an estimated $84.4 trillion in wealth that is set to turn over via

00:24:51.600 inheritances in the next 23 years.

00:24:54.780 It's a staggering amount of money.

00:24:56.300 And that's not from billionaires.

00:24:57.800 That is from,

00:24:58.480 you know,

00:24:58.780 mostly from,

00:24:59.840 from middle-class Americans that have worked hard and put away something.

00:25:04.000 And so what,

00:25:04.900 what are we hearing out there?

00:25:06.300 We're hearing things like,

00:25:07.640 Oh,

00:25:07.780 Janet Yellen,

00:25:08.460 she wants to go after unrealized capital gains, 0.83

00:25:12.700 which are these weasel words that basically say,

00:25:15.680 we're going to tell you what your stuff is worth on paper.

00:25:19.400 You haven't realized the income from it,

00:25:21.500 but we're going to tax you on that.

00:25:23.160 So think about the implications.

00:25:24.640 Your parents bought a house in 1970.

00:25:27.020 And then all of a sudden one day they wake up and,

00:25:30.840 and someone looks on Zillow and decides that it's worth $2 million.

00:25:34.300 And now your parents owe taxes on $1.9 million.

00:25:38.660 And where,

00:25:39.020 where are they getting?

00:25:39.660 That's crazy.

00:25:41.040 They're not.

00:25:42.400 They're,

00:25:42.760 of course,

00:25:43.020 they're not going to do that.

00:25:44.000 So what are they trying to do here?

00:25:45.700 They're trying to trick people and say,

00:25:47.840 no,

00:25:48.100 we just want this for the billionaires and the ultra wealthy,

00:25:51.620 because it's not fair,

00:25:52.720 but that's not the bulk of that $84.4 trillion.

00:25:56.400 That's set to pass down.

00:25:58.440 So they're trying to get wealth taxes.

00:26:00.620 And they're trying to get inheritance taxes increased with the carrot that 1.00

00:26:04.660 they're going after the ultra wealthy so that you see the principle.

00:26:09.680 They want you to say there are no property rights and this is okay to do.

00:26:14.240 And the second you do that,

00:26:16.080 that means that it's not just for the billionaires.

00:26:18.880 It's for you.

00:26:20.120 And there's so much wealth that by the way,

00:26:22.020 we've,

00:26:22.240 you know,

00:26:22.420 we've got $32 trillion plus and growing and national debt.

00:26:26.400 We also have more than $129 trillion in unfunded liabilities and promises that

00:26:32.560 of course they're not going to walk back.

00:26:34.360 So wouldn't that $84.4 trillion of your wealth go a long way to helping them

00:26:41.340 maintain their power and control?

00:26:44.020 So one of the things I did in the book is I got an estate planning attorney and

00:26:48.460 chapter 11,

00:26:49.260 we have all of these ways that you can fight back.

00:26:52.700 And one of the things he says is you have to go to an estate plan,

00:26:56.400 and you have to do like you did Glenn and get a trust put in place.

00:27:01.140 It sounds like it's just for the wealthy,

00:27:03.020 but you can do it even if you're the average American right on main street.

00:27:06.780 We can't guarantee that there will be a grandfathering,

00:27:10.540 but the reality is we know that the wealthiest people are going to be protected.

00:27:14.680 So you need to start doing the things that they're doing to make sure that when

00:27:19.420 they come in and they change the rules,

00:27:21.220 you're protected.

00:27:23.100 Yes,

00:27:23.580 exactly right.

00:27:24.540 And it's,

00:27:25.060 you know,

00:27:25.720 it's not cheap to put a trust together,

00:27:28.200 but it is also not,

00:27:29.780 it's not something to adjust for the wealthy.

00:27:32.060 And I'm telling you,

00:27:33.880 they're going to come,

00:27:34.620 they're going to come for all that you have every way they have.

00:27:39.620 And you're exactly right.

00:27:41.920 You've got to start doing what the wealthy are doing.

00:27:45.240 And thank you for doing all the work.

00:27:47.160 I want to have you back maybe next week and talk about something else you talk

00:27:50.300 about in the book,

00:27:50.980 which is the water rights that are being bought up by the elites,

00:27:56.760 including places like Harvard,

00:27:59.320 buying up all kinds of water rights.

00:28:01.240 We'll talk about that next week.

00:28:02.700 The name of the book is you will own nothing.

00:28:05.600 It is a great book by Carol Roth.

00:28:08.880 She's a former investment banker that is, 0.85

00:28:11.340 you know,

00:28:11.560 she sobered up and she started caring about,

00:28:13.560 you know,

00:28:14.140 main street.

00:28:15.800 And,

00:28:16.300 and she wrote the book,

00:28:17.920 you will own nothing,

00:28:18.820 which is a great companion book to dark future.

00:28:21.580 Carol Roth.

00:28:22.380 Thank you so much.

00:28:24.980 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program,

00:28:28.660 Kimberly.

00:28:29.600 Glenn,

00:28:30.160 it is great to be here.

00:28:32.560 It's great to have you on now.

00:28:34.100 It's so great to talk to you.

00:28:35.600 Thank you.

00:28:36.760 You wrote the book on the Biden malaise and you have a happy ending to it,

00:28:42.500 but your,

00:28:43.540 your contention is Joe Biden is worse than Jimmy Carter ever was.

00:28:46.780 I think at this point,

00:28:48.720 that's pretty obvious to even maybe Democrats.

00:28:54.060 Do you agree with that?

00:28:56.000 Well,

00:28:56.560 I don't,

00:28:57.080 I mean,

00:28:57.260 they won't admit it,

00:28:58.360 obviously,

00:28:59.260 but it should be obviously,

00:29:00.880 it should be obvious to everyone,

00:29:02.860 especially looking at his dismal poll numbers and the state of the economy.

00:29:07.260 And by the way,

00:29:08.100 there were Democrats that warned him not to take the steps he took.

00:29:12.560 So they understood what would come from it,

00:29:14.840 the inflation,

00:29:15.640 the high gas prices,

00:29:16.500 and he did it anyway.

00:29:17.600 Would you say that's different this time around?

00:29:22.760 It seems like every,

00:29:23.720 all the Democrats are on board with everything he's doing.

00:29:26.000 Oh yeah.

00:29:28.180 I mean,

00:29:28.460 look,

00:29:28.800 the reason this has all happened is because Joe Biden is not a leader and

00:29:33.520 he's not willing to stand up to the crazies in his party.

00:29:36.780 If you look back over his long history,

00:29:38.800 he's always just been a vessel wherever the party power was at the moment.

00:29:43.220 That's what he reflected.

00:29:45.080 And if he'd have stood up,

00:29:47.200 if he'd have actually taken the advice of sane economists,

00:29:50.160 et cetera,

00:29:50.840 we wouldn't be in the situation we are right now.

00:29:54.140 But he was never going to push back.

00:29:55.900 That's another big difference between him and Jimmy Carter.

00:29:58.780 Jimmy Carter had a very rollicking,

00:30:00.820 sprawling party.

00:30:01.940 And a lot of them didn't like him because he actually got in fights with

00:30:04.900 them.

00:30:06.260 Right.

00:30:07.580 So Carter,

00:30:09.820 I never,

00:30:10.860 I mean,

00:30:12.320 I never had the feeling that he was intentionally trying to dismantle

00:30:17.480 America.

00:30:18.140 I just thought he was a mess.

00:30:19.720 Can you compare their philosophies?

00:30:24.880 I mean,

00:30:25.380 Biden is surrounded by all kinds of anti-American or anti-capitalist kind of,

00:30:34.740 of people.

00:30:36.180 Was it the same with Carter?

00:30:37.680 You just put your finger on the word that matters here and,

00:30:42.920 and what really separates these two presidents, Glenn,

00:30:46.000 and that is intent.

00:30:47.700 You know,

00:30:48.340 if you go back and you look at Jimmy Carter,

00:30:49.920 first of all,

00:30:50.400 he was dealt a far harder hand than Biden was.

00:30:53.940 I mean,

00:30:54.120 we were already in the middle of global inflation.

00:30:56.860 There'd already been an oil shock.

00:30:58.880 We were in the middle of a very aggressive cold war.

00:31:01.260 And to the extent that he desperately mismanaged all of this,

00:31:06.020 he was at least trying to make things better,

00:31:07.740 right?

00:31:07.980 He was trying to actually help unemployment.

00:31:10.360 That was the reason he took a lot of the steps he did.

00:31:13.060 It didn't work.

00:31:13.920 He had the wrong advice.

00:31:15.360 He was still enthralled to Keynesian economics,

00:31:18.460 but,

00:31:18.580 but,

00:31:18.800 but he had the best interests of the country at heart.

00:31:21.420 You know,

00:31:21.960 Joe Biden took what should have been an amazing economy,

00:31:25.320 just turning the corner from COVID,

00:31:27.380 an amazing energy sector,

00:31:30.200 which we had just become a net exporter of oil.

00:31:33.940 And in a fervor to turn us into European style socialism,

00:31:39.040 use COVID as an excuse to spend $6 trillion to attack fossil fuels in a

00:31:45.560 climate agenda and manage to spiral up inflation to massively increase the

00:31:51.920 size of government and to make it impossible for people to fill their cars up

00:31:55.320 with gas or to pay their heating bills.

00:31:57.940 And so it's intent.

00:31:59.200 His goal is to transform the country.

00:32:02.940 And we all know that the methods that he's chosen lead to rack and ruin,

00:32:07.220 but he doesn't care.

00:32:10.300 So let me,

00:32:11.640 let me switch to what you talk about towards the end of your book.

00:32:15.360 And that is Reagan.

00:32:17.000 Reagan comes around and he's not liked by the Republicans.

00:32:22.360 He's an,

00:32:23.120 he's an outsider.

00:32:24.260 Um,

00:32:25.060 but he is cheerful and he reminds people who we really are.

00:32:30.300 Do you see that candidate out there?

00:32:33.300 Not yet.

00:32:34.300 And that makes me very sad because I truly believe that we could potentially

00:32:39.640 have another moment like the end of the Carter administration in which a

00:32:43.700 country has seen up close and personal again,

00:32:47.140 what it's like to have failing economic policies.

00:32:50.240 And one consequence of that in Carter's years was,

00:32:54.000 it was this incredible opening and Ronald Reagan with his ideas,

00:32:58.400 which were very different,

00:32:59.160 as you know,

00:32:59.780 from Rockefeller Republicans,

00:33:01.280 and with his very cheery message,

00:33:04.320 was able to not just change an election,

00:33:07.660 but change electoral politics in this country for a generation.

00:33:11.560 You know,

00:33:11.940 the whole Reagan Democrat movement,

00:33:13.900 which by the way,

00:33:14.920 those people are now the Republican base.

00:33:17.000 Um,

00:33:17.840 but I look out at the field now,

00:33:19.480 I think what we have is a lot of people who are all trying to show that got

00:33:22.760 fight,

00:33:23.220 right?

00:33:24.100 To show that they,

00:33:25.120 they can throw a punch as just as much as Donald Trump cam.

00:33:28.540 Um,

00:33:28.900 but we're not hearing as much about their vision and we certainly aren't seeing

00:33:32.840 enough people smile for God's sake,

00:33:35.240 like just smile and have an optimistic vision for the future.

00:33:38.980 Right.

00:33:39.600 Um,

00:33:39.920 and everyone's just,

00:33:41.020 yeah.

00:33:43.360 Isn't it really hard to have an optimistic future when you know how deep,

00:33:48.980 unlike Carter,

00:33:50.600 you know,

00:33:50.860 the Republican or the democratic party back then didn't seem to hate and be

00:33:55.900 against the country.

00:33:58.200 Um,

00:33:58.640 you have almost every institution corrupted and falling further and further

00:34:04.500 away from defending our constitution and our way of life.

00:34:09.420 I mean,

00:34:10.320 it's kind of hard to have an optimistic attitude because it's a real,

00:34:14.980 it's the biggest fight perhaps of our entire country's history.

00:34:18.500 Don't you think?

00:34:19.800 Oh,

00:34:20.480 I agree with you.

00:34:21.820 It's very difficult.

00:34:23.080 I think it was also a very hard back for,

00:34:25.900 in the time that Reagan was running,

00:34:27.380 not necessarily.

00:34:28.600 I agree with you.

00:34:29.740 The democratic party was a different beast,

00:34:31.780 but the depths of the kind of,

00:34:34.660 uh,

00:34:35.560 the tearing apart that the country was very divided back then.

00:34:39.200 It had been through a lot of traumas,

00:34:41.580 Vietnam,

00:34:42.600 Watergate.

00:34:43.560 I mean,

00:34:43.840 people were so demoralized.

00:34:45.240 So it was very hard to do it then too.

00:34:47.680 I think what has to be done is someone's got to remind,

00:34:51.040 this doesn't mean you could be optimistic and still call out those

00:34:54.340 failings,

00:34:55.440 right?

00:34:56.120 Because what,

00:34:57.140 what you got to do is you have to remind people,

00:34:59.780 uh,

00:35:00.540 in it and again,

00:35:01.420 in a way that shows leadership,

00:35:03.060 uh,

00:35:04.060 just how off the rails that party has gone,

00:35:07.560 um,

00:35:08.480 and show that you can actually accomplish stuff and have a vision and have an

00:35:12.500 optimistic without resorting to their tactics.

00:35:15.900 Um,

00:35:16.340 and I think a lot of people would gravitate to that.

00:35:19.500 So I agree with you a hundred percent.

00:35:21.420 Your book is kind of more of a guide than anything else to show us what we,

00:35:26.280 what we really need to do.

00:35:28.760 Um,

00:35:29.240 and it is,

00:35:30.880 it's the greatest opportunity right now to reset America and put her principles. 0.72

00:35:37.540 You know,

00:35:38.080 it's,

00:35:38.280 it's,

00:35:38.540 I would say,

00:35:39.460 have we tried unplugging it and plugging it back in?

00:35:42.940 We need to restore its original principles.

00:35:46.820 It's factory settings.

00:35:48.240 Um,

00:35:49.120 but there doesn't seem to be,

00:35:51.320 uh,

00:35:52.300 except for the people,

00:35:53.640 it doesn't seem to be anybody really willing.

00:35:56.960 As far as parties go,

00:35:58.480 the Democrats are way off the rails.

00:36:01.340 The Republicans are kind of like they were under Reagan,

00:36:04.640 where I'm not sure that there are all that helpful to somebody who believes in the

00:36:09.240 constitution.

00:36:11.260 I,

00:36:11.960 I agree with you.

00:36:13.340 Um,

00:36:13.780 and especially here's the positive thing,

00:36:16.720 Glenn,

00:36:16.880 I truly believe that while the parties and the party leadership are at each other's

00:36:21.520 throat,

00:36:21.760 I think most Americans fundamentally agree with those constitutional principles that

00:36:28.420 you just outlined,

00:36:30.300 or at least are open to hearing about how we need to return to that.

00:36:34.800 One of the problems I see in the Republican field at the moment is that there's very

00:36:39.220 much a kind of you versus us mentality,

00:36:43.280 uh,

00:36:43.640 even among the candidates basically saying,

00:36:46.440 you know,

00:36:46.700 if you,

00:36:47.520 if you think of this,

00:36:49.140 then you are,

00:36:50.020 you know,

00:36:50.280 morally reprehensible,

00:36:51.600 um,

00:36:52.400 and,

00:36:52.760 and,

00:36:52.940 and that,

00:36:53.600 and taking it to extreme levels,

00:36:55.560 not seeming to understand that a lot of Americans do have very nuanced views on

00:37:00.060 abortion or other cultural issues.

00:37:03.120 You know,

00:37:03.220 that's why they're hot button.

00:37:04.500 Um,

00:37:05.160 one of the great things about Reagan is he didn't do a you versus us thing.

00:37:09.400 He,

00:37:09.920 he spoke to everyone as Americans and said he'd lead everyone as Americans.

00:37:13.960 And that's what convinced people to switch parties and come in.

00:37:17.960 Well,

00:37:19.740 he did take a you versus,

00:37:21.040 uh,

00:37:21.640 us in one way.

00:37:23.040 It was us against the government.

00:37:25.020 He said,

00:37:25.560 government was the problem.

00:37:26.920 I'm going to get them out of your,

00:37:28.180 your hair.

00:37:29.280 Uh,

00:37:29.760 and that's the same kind of message that would win today.

00:37:34.120 Absolutely.

00:37:35.020 You know,

00:37:35.480 I know that the party is having a,

00:37:37.560 you know,

00:37:37.760 long involved debate about how it needs to transform itself,

00:37:41.400 but you know,

00:37:42.100 sometimes like if,

00:37:43.160 like if you got a wheel and it turns like,

00:37:46.000 and it's not broken,

00:37:47.380 like there is a formula.

00:37:48.720 Right.

00:37:49.540 Um,

00:37:49.820 but people don't like government and,

00:37:52.140 and you just hit on something.

00:37:53.620 We need to have a leader that figures out the things that unite us.

00:37:56.960 And guess what?

00:37:57.780 Most people don't like government.

00:37:59.240 I mean,

00:37:59.760 even people who,

00:38:00.920 you know,

00:38:01.120 are sat by while it got bigger,

00:38:03.080 uh,

00:38:03.620 their interaction with it.

00:38:04.880 Isn't that great?

00:38:05.880 Uh,

00:38:06.220 you know,

00:38:06.560 everyone understands that it's all one big version of the DMV.

00:38:11.080 So,

00:38:11.480 uh,

00:38:12.180 some themes like that,

00:38:14.420 those things that unite us,

00:38:16.020 uh,

00:38:16.720 I think the way to go,

00:38:18.400 I'm still waiting to see it though.

00:38:20.300 So Kimberly Strassel is with us.

00:38:22.160 She is the author of the Biden malaise,

00:38:24.840 uh,

00:38:25.160 how Joe Biden is far worse than Jimmy Carter ever was.

00:38:27.660 And the need for a new Reagan.

00:38:31.520 So first of all,

00:38:33.120 I guess,

00:38:33.520 tell me what you think we should be looking for in these candidates.

00:38:37.020 And then let's go through some of the candidates.

00:38:40.180 Sure.

00:38:40.580 And by the way,

00:38:41.160 I wish I'd had you do this subtitle on my book,

00:38:43.780 Glenn,

00:38:44.040 cause it's much better than the one that's actually there.

00:38:46.020 I'm sorry.

00:38:47.200 What is the actual subtitle?

00:38:49.040 I'm sorry.

00:38:49.720 No,

00:38:50.040 I don't.

00:38:50.580 No,

00:38:50.860 no.

00:38:51.220 Yours is better.

00:38:52.140 That's what I'm saying.

00:38:53.060 Let's not even say the other one.

00:38:54.260 It's a mouthful.

00:38:56.100 Okay.

00:38:56.560 All right.

00:38:56.860 All right.

00:38:59.000 So let's go.

00:38:59.920 Who,

00:39:00.060 who do you want to go first?

00:39:01.500 What are we looking for?

00:39:03.020 Well,

00:39:03.580 I think the,

00:39:04.660 yeah,

00:39:05.340 tell us what we're looking for and then let's go through the candidates.

00:39:08.220 Well,

00:39:08.680 I think what I'm looking for,

00:39:10.840 what I think the nation would benefit for is,

00:39:13.020 is some of that old fashioned Reagan philosophy,

00:39:16.580 which is limited government,

00:39:18.740 right?

00:39:19.580 Fiscal responsibility.

00:39:22.480 And,

00:39:23.020 you know,

00:39:23.300 strong national defense on the grounds.

00:39:25.580 I know there's a debate about this in the GOP at the moment,

00:39:28.360 but my view is that when America's standing strong,

00:39:32.320 there's less likelihood of conflict.

00:39:34.680 And that actually allows us to dedicate more of our time and resources to

00:39:39.000 our own problems here at home.

00:39:40.860 I think,

00:39:41.260 I think that was very clear with Donald Trump.

00:39:43.900 I mean,

00:39:44.300 you know,

00:39:44.720 I don't think Putin would have gone into Ukraine with Donald Trump there.

00:39:48.580 If you have somebody who is strong,

00:39:50.660 the military is strong.

00:39:52.260 And honestly,

00:39:53.140 I've always said somebody with a twitchy eye where you're like,

00:39:56.460 you know,

00:39:57.060 I think he just might do that.

00:39:59.540 As long as the,

00:40:00.840 the enemy of the United States is feeling that way.

00:40:04.600 We're pretty safe.

00:40:05.480 We're pretty safe.

00:40:06.840 I couldn't agree with you more.

00:40:08.680 Yep.

00:40:09.880 Okay.

00:40:10.700 So when you look at the,

00:40:12.720 the candidates,

00:40:13.840 I mean,

00:40:14.340 there's a lot to a lot to go,

00:40:16.480 but Donald Trump is the one that it's really at his point,

00:40:20.260 his to lose,

00:40:21.580 I think.

00:40:23.800 What are your thoughts on Donald Trump?

00:40:25.740 So I agree with you that it's his to lose.

00:40:30.300 Although,

00:40:30.840 you know,

00:40:31.020 it's really interesting.

00:40:32.800 I live in kind of a town where this really was Trump country.

00:40:38.880 It's a very conservative area,

00:40:40.900 kind of place where you would see like the double Trump flags on the back of

00:40:44.220 the pickup truck waiting,

00:40:45.760 you know,

00:40:46.080 right.

00:40:46.700 I've been really surprised by how many people who voted for him twice have

00:40:51.740 have said that they would like to get a look at other people and that

00:40:56.200 they're not sure this time.

00:40:58.140 And I think you see that reflected a little bit in the polls too,

00:41:01.480 in that,

00:41:01.900 you know,

00:41:02.340 he's got a solid number of mostly 35,

00:41:05.480 40%.

00:41:06.140 That's a little bit more than he had back in the,

00:41:08.980 the,

00:41:09.120 the 2016 primaries.

00:41:10.660 Um,

00:41:11.580 I think,

00:41:12.700 I think what's going for him though,

00:41:14.040 is this crowded field just as it was back in 2016.

00:41:17.940 And,

00:41:18.420 you know,

00:41:19.000 there's clearly more voters who haven't yet decided on him yet,

00:41:23.260 but they're all splitting the field.

00:41:25.920 Um,

00:41:26.340 you know,

00:41:26.660 my one concern with Trump in terms of what we've been talking about is I

00:41:30.620 don't think a,

00:41:32.080 that he is a,

00:41:33.020 a natural communicator of a philosophy.

00:41:35.620 It's not his deal.

00:41:36.720 He likes the politics,

00:41:37.680 right?

00:41:38.100 Much more than he likes the policy idea of this.

00:41:41.040 Um,

00:41:41.700 and,

00:41:42.180 and he,

00:41:42.480 and he's certainly not your sunny guy,

00:41:45.120 you know?

00:41:46.340 Right.

00:41:47.360 It's funny because in some reasons,

00:41:50.060 but yeah,

00:41:50.600 he's not.

00:41:51.080 Yeah.

00:41:52.660 It's not,

00:41:53.400 he,

00:41:53.780 I think he used to be at times,

00:41:55.900 uh,

00:41:56.480 a sunny guy before he got into politics.

00:41:58.800 Um,

00:41:59.260 but,

00:41:59.760 uh,

00:42:00.200 yeah,

00:42:00.620 not,

00:42:01.020 not necessarily,

00:42:01.760 uh,

00:42:02.580 now and,

00:42:03.320 and probably good reason.

00:42:05.060 Uh,

00:42:05.400 Ron DeSantis.

00:42:07.420 So,

00:42:08.100 Ron DeSantis,

00:42:09.780 in my mind,

00:42:11.000 uh,

00:42:11.480 he's got the ability to do all this,

00:42:14.120 but I think his problem,

00:42:15.800 and we're seeing it from,

00:42:17.080 from the reset,

00:42:17.940 of course,

00:42:18.300 his campaign says it's not a reset,

00:42:19.860 which confirms that it is a reset.

00:42:22.540 Um,

00:42:23.120 he,

00:42:25.120 uh,

00:42:25.760 you know,

00:42:26.200 I think what's happening there,

00:42:28.380 and I've kind of heard this,

00:42:29.720 he felt a lot more comfortable in Florida,

00:42:32.300 knew what he was doing,

00:42:33.420 felt comfortable making his own decisions.

00:42:35.700 This campaign looks to have been very poll driven so far.

00:42:40.320 Um,

00:42:40.640 and I keep wanting to say like,

00:42:42.120 let Ron DeSantis be Ron DeSantis.

00:42:44.800 Um,

00:42:45.160 because if you look at that amazing reelection,

00:42:47.640 he won in Florida,

00:42:48.600 I mean,

00:42:49.380 sure,

00:42:49.760 there were probably a number of base voters who liked what he did with Disney and liked what he did with the schools and transgender stuff.

00:42:57.760 But a lot of people just loved that he was competent when they had that storm,

00:43:02.980 that the gas got delivered,

00:43:04.760 that their taxes got lowered,

00:43:06.740 yet that government got smaller,

00:43:08.660 that you just had a leader who knew how to get stuff done.

00:43:11.400 And I really wish we heard more of that from him.

00:43:15.140 The,

00:43:15.780 the other one I'd be interested in,

00:43:17.280 in hearing,

00:43:17.960 uh,

00:43:18.320 about is Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:43:20.220 I think he is so fascinating.

00:43:24.680 I think he's got a few like really out there ideas.

00:43:27.660 Um,

00:43:28.100 but,

00:43:29.240 but on the,

00:43:30.240 on the upside,

00:43:31.060 uh,

00:43:31.800 it's because he has ideas.

00:43:33.440 I mean,

00:43:33.860 that guy is so sharp.

00:43:35.760 Um,

00:43:36.240 he is a font of policies.

00:43:39.120 Um,

00:43:39.540 when he's not sure what he's talking about,

00:43:42.020 he goes and gets educated on it.

00:43:43.700 He's obviously got an enormous amount of energy.

00:43:46.260 And I think that he's actually getting a real look.

00:43:49.420 I mean,

00:43:49.560 people kind of just immediately wrote him off when he got into this,

00:43:52.400 but that guy is out there and he is working like a dog.

00:43:55.680 And I think he's making some gains.

00:43:58.520 I think so too.

00:43:59.700 I think he could be a vice presidential nominee.

00:44:02.480 If,

00:44:03.020 if not,

00:44:03.580 uh,

00:44:04.300 uh,

00:44:04.660 presidential,

00:44:05.540 uh,

00:44:06.060 nominee in the end,

00:44:07.680 if he keeps going the way he's going,

00:44:09.500 he is a very different and sunny kind of guy.

00:44:13.400 He has the Reagan son to him.

00:44:17.260 I was really important.

00:44:19.120 Yeah.

00:44:19.580 That's the other thing is he does have a vision.

00:44:22.020 And,

00:44:22.540 you know,

00:44:22.660 if you listen to him,

00:44:23.740 he talks a lot about what it means to be American and how we need to be

00:44:28.280 proud to be American.

00:44:28.960 He talks a lot about those values you mentioned,

00:44:31.300 Glenn.

00:44:31.880 Um,

00:44:32.120 and that's a little bit of what Reagan did.

00:44:33.820 Obviously he,

00:44:34.520 he's a very different person.

00:44:36.660 Um,

00:44:37.020 but,

00:44:37.580 uh,

00:44:37.960 he,

00:44:38.240 he's closer to that than I think a lot of the other candidates.

00:44:42.000 I agree.

00:44:43.140 Kimberly,

00:44:43.660 great to talk to you.

00:44:44.500 Thank you so much.

00:44:45.260 The new book is the Biden malaise.

00:44:48.060 It came out,

00:44:48.620 uh,

00:44:48.960 just a couple of days ago,

00:44:50.080 the Biden malaise by Kimberly Strassel.

00:44:52.880 You can pick it up wherever you find your books.

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The Glenn Beck Program - July 20, 2023

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Alan Dershowitz & Kimberley Strassel ｜ 7⧸20⧸23

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