The Glenn Beck Program - June 04, 2025


Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Alan Dershowitz & Rep. Chip Roy ｜ 6⧸4⧸2


Episode Stats

Length

46 minutes

Words per Minute

169.44731

Word Count

7,861

Sentence Count

6

Misogynist Sentences

4

Hate Speech Sentences

11


Summary

What happens when the wealthy and the elite are funding the active destruction of our country? Will we actually get the truth out or will the media continue to play partisanship games? That s the first thing we tackle on today s podcast. Also, Alan Dershowitz on freedom of speech and something frightening he thinks is coming through the Supreme Court in the coming weeks, months, and years. And Chip Roy gives us the straight skinny on the Big Beautiful Bill.


Transcript

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00:00:18.400 destruction of our country will we actually get the truth out or will the media continue to play
00:00:23.660 partisanship games that's the first thing we tackle on today's podcast also alan dershowitz
00:00:28.000 on freedom of speech and something frightening he thinks is coming through the supreme court in the
00:00:32.560 coming days weeks months years uh a curb on freedom of speech and i think he's right unfortunately
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00:03:12.960 you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program okay so let me tell you this is what happens when
00:03:30.320 powerful people write checks and the rest of us stay silent earlier this week a report came out
00:03:37.440 quietly of course that that uh laureen powell jobs eric schmidt and the tides foundation has given
00:03:45.160 millions of dollars to a man who openly praised the assassination of two israeli diplomats in
00:03:51.440 washington dc he called that shooting morally righteous not tragic not wrong not even controversial
00:03:58.720 morally righteous
00:04:01.080 now the people giving this man money are not nobodies they're not on the fringe it's not some
00:04:10.360 anarchist with a megaphone in a parking lot in oregon
00:04:13.540 this is camu franklin he's the head of a non-profit profit called community movement builders
00:04:21.940 and the work is being funded by some of the richest people in silicon valley and the democratic donor class
00:04:28.600 now i just want you to remember when i give you the name jobs what do you think of steve jobs what
00:04:36.880 did he do silicon valley tech when i talked to you about eric schmidt what does he do a i
00:04:45.120 so these people are now the former ceo of google plus the arabella network we know that the tides
00:04:53.720 the tides foundation all soros backed organizations when they when they put their money nearly two
00:05:02.120 million dollars in one year went to this guy's group a group that calls israeli existence the result
00:05:09.500 of a war crime who has labeled police as killer pigs and praises black separatists convicted of
00:05:18.240 murdering cops when when they send their money to that guy and we say nothing we have a real problem
00:05:25.900 because what else are they doing to our tech what else are they writing into the algorithms
00:05:30.280 who else is involved these are just big names that are openly doing it and they don't seem to have
00:05:35.880 a problem what about all the other people in silicon valley and now that group that ideology
00:05:41.860 is being funded with institutional backing and tax deductible status these are people that are now
00:05:48.760 writing the curriculum for your kids influencing the elections hosting panels on ai and equity and
00:05:56.500 justice at all of the universities now i hate this i really do i hate this and it's i'm not going to
00:06:05.040 where you think i'm going on this but if this were a conservative a republican a donor group that funded a
00:06:11.240 group that said something half as inflammatory as this even vaguely racist or violent what would the
00:06:17.860 media do okay they would nuke their reputations from orbit they would cancel the companies they would
00:06:25.660 demand congressional hearings and you know what that is about the level of where it should be
00:06:32.600 if you were talking about killing cops praising people shooting others in the street because they're
00:06:42.800 jewish and saying it's morally what did he say morally justified
00:06:47.560 morally righteous if you could say morally righteous you know i i think we should we should question you
00:06:58.340 your your business everything else and i don't mean as a government i mean as people okay
00:07:04.860 but what happens if the same poison comes from the approved side nothing silence sometimes applause
00:07:16.040 sometimes more donations franklin's group defended the killing of israeli civilians
00:07:24.340 hmm now they praise the killing of israeli civilians in the same breath they praised
00:07:34.360 kassam soleimani the iranian general responsible for the deaths of countless u.s troops they called
00:07:41.480 him simply a resister a man who strengthened hezbollah if you don't know what hezbollah is
00:07:48.940 you're a moron you're no you're dangerous you are dangerous
00:07:55.240 how did we get here how is this suddenly acceptable in our society
00:08:02.540 more importantly how is it that some of the most important and powerful figures in tech
00:08:11.380 and media are funding it you know it's really hard to hide behind the word justice when you cheer for
00:08:20.620 murder but they don't see it as murder they see it as as morally justified you can that guy was
00:08:29.640 running an insurance company and that insurance company was probably denying people some claims so
00:08:35.800 we can gun him down in the streets you can't talk about justice if you're cheering that on you can't
00:08:42.780 talk about unity when you're bankrolling separatists you can't scream fascism and then fun a man who wants
00:08:50.460 racial enclaves state control of speech or the abolition of the nuclear family don't talk to me
00:08:59.380 about totalitarian you don't even know what it means that's not progress that's not equity it's not even
00:09:08.760 politics this is the intentional destabilization of a country using the language of compassion to
00:09:17.140 smuggle in extremism that's kind of the theme of today's show extremism how did we get here why are
00:09:24.740 we tolerating what's happening in our own streets the question is is not why is this happening the
00:09:33.540 question really is at this point why are we letting it happen why are we the the citizen the journalist
00:09:42.180 the lawmaker still quiet about all of this why is the white house silent when a top democratic donor
00:09:49.980 gives money to a group that calls hamas attack solidarity why is the department of justice looking
00:09:57.120 the other way when the tax-exempt organizations support racial separatism and endorse convicted cop
00:10:05.040 killers as role models should they play a role and here's the biggest question really of all what
00:10:14.700 happens to a civilization who forgets to say no no no it's not righteous to murder civilians no it's not
00:10:25.280 justice to fund hate with billionaire checks no it's not brave to remain silent when cancer is growing
00:10:32.060 what happens to that civilization because this is not a partisan issue and i know you know this is the
00:10:40.040 worst part of my job i think is i am very opinionated obviously if you've listened to me
00:10:45.340 and i get i get hammered from all sides you know i wish on hannity yesterday and we were talking to a
00:10:55.420 group and and he said you know i'm glad to be here with glenn beck who you know in 2016 gave me
00:11:01.920 hell for supporting donald trump i'm like yeah i did and i was wrong and i admitted it
00:11:08.840 but i'm not a partisan guy i don't care what the label is i look for what is right and wrong and
00:11:19.560 when somebody like donald trump did not have the record i wasn't willing to trust and maybe that's
00:11:26.160 a flaw in me but i wasn't willing to trust i'm sorry i am a little like doubting thomas i need to put
00:11:34.080 my finger there i need to see it but when i saw it i'm there okay i'm hated by everybody i have not
00:11:44.760 had a president in my lifetime that liked me because generally i don't like the presidents
00:11:49.260 i don't like either party and yet everything i say is always couched as i'm just a shill for
00:12:00.500 the republicans or whatever you know you know what i'm i'm not even a shill you know what i am a fan
00:12:05.700 of you know what i am a supporter of the rule of law and the constitution and the declaration of
00:12:11.340 independence and i actually mean that i can quote those documents most people in politics who say
00:12:17.020 that they've never read the damn thing
00:12:18.880 it's not a partisan issue this is all about right and wrong it's not left or right and the longer we
00:12:30.380 pretend otherwise the faster we're going to descend into something we will not recognize and may not
00:12:36.400 survive we've got to wake up before we lose our ability and our right to speak
00:12:44.940 so let me ask you some questions because that's the other thing about today's show is i just want
00:12:55.740 to ask critical thinking questions why are the ultra wealthy elites and tech billionaires funding
00:13:01.760 organizations that openly support political violence and endorse the killing of diplomats
00:13:06.860 shouldn't that be the number one question out of every press person's mouth if you run in
00:13:12.480 to eric schmidt if you run into mrs jobs the tides foundation why do you support political violence
00:13:21.820 and endorse the killing of diplomats on our streets
00:13:25.600 eric schmidt loreen powell jobs tides foundation what do you believe you're achieving by bankrolling
00:13:36.320 community movement builders what is it that you love about them are you aware of their
00:13:42.240 rhetoric or are you just turning a blind eye because the ends justify the means that's
00:13:47.080 really an important question will somebody ask it or answer it what accountability exists for the
00:13:54.340 philanthropies that fund groups promoting violence or separatism is there in any accountability because
00:14:01.460 i knew there would be with me
00:14:02.860 why does the community movement builders call murder of diplomats morally righteous
00:14:10.640 and how does that square with broader liberal or humanitarian values
00:14:16.420 if your goals are liberation and justice why do you glorify terrorist leaders and groups that have committed atrocities
00:14:27.080 what does it mean for a u.s based non-profit to call for liberated zones under separate racial
00:14:35.460 governance is this inclusion or is it segregation under just a different name
00:14:40.740 if an ideology calls for collective racial control of resources and defines police as killer pigs
00:14:49.200 is that promoting civic unity or justice and again why are the silicon valley people
00:14:57.140 pouring millions of dollars in to promote that
00:15:00.320 why are groups this extreme receiving significant democratic donor support especially when their rhetoric
00:15:12.940 goes beyond protest into open support for political violence and separatism
00:15:17.160 how far from the traditional democratic platform are these ideas i mean the party you're not don't seem to be
00:15:24.460 distancing yourself from in fact you seem to quietly embrace this and it's getting louder your quiet is
00:15:31.500 starting to get a little loud what what are the dark money networks like arabella play in shaping the
00:15:38.760 grassroots movement with potentially extreme ideologies is anybody looking into that are politicians like
00:15:45.820 kamala harris or uh raphael warnock aware of the full nature of the groups being funded through packs and networks aligned with them
00:15:54.460 why is there so little media scrutiny of these connections compared to the other political funding controversies
00:16:04.300 why is anti-semitism tolerated or overlooked when it comes from far left or minority focused groups i i just don't know
00:16:10.980 why does mainstream media the the outlets including those owned by donors like the atlantic
00:16:16.320 fail to report critically on any of these stories
00:16:20.040 is is the public being misled by selective coverage or the avoidance of topics that might expose contradictions in elite or party narratives i just
00:16:29.940 is any of this coordinated
00:16:36.780 why are so many elite donors media owners ngos echoing the same talking points and funding overlapping causes
00:16:46.080 what happens to a republic a democratic society when billionaires tech moguls and activist groups openly fund
00:16:56.580 radical ideological movements that seek to dismantle all of the existing legal and social structures
00:17:03.480 what happens to that society
00:17:06.040 i think these are questions that maybe we should spend some time answering
00:17:11.680 i think these are some questions that maybe somebody as a journalist
00:17:15.720 should be asking people of power people in silicon valley people who are billionaires that are donating
00:17:23.740 to these very radical groups
00:17:26.240 or are we just going to play politics again yeah let's just play politics today again media
00:17:33.300 you're you're so good at it let's just do that
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00:18:55.880 now back to the podcast this is the best of the glenbeck program
00:19:08.020 welcome alan dershowitz how are you sir i'm doing great how are you i'm good so did i get this right
00:19:19.840 you're you're talking about now that the supreme court might start leaning towards security over free
00:19:25.780 speech in the in the coming years yeah look i pride myself on never uh it does i pride myself on
00:19:33.840 never making predictions based on what i want to happen that's what lawrence tribe does that's what
00:19:40.120 others on the left do and that's why they're always wrong i make predictions based on my analysis of
00:19:45.980 trends this is not a trend i approve of but it's a trend i see coming i see coming it in the area of
00:19:53.300 defamation i see it coming in the area of incitement i think that the brandenburg decision was written
00:20:00.520 during a time of relative calm and we weren't seeing the kinds of incitements to violence that we
00:20:07.020 saw that probably led to the burning of jews in uh in boulder colorado and the shooting of these two
00:20:14.380 innocent people in washington dc and uh other kinds of things uh look i i have a lot of
00:20:21.500 you just said and i find this amazing that you said you just said it happened in a you know in a
00:20:28.720 time of relative calm it was 1969 um that this case came down to the supreme court if i'm not mistaken
00:20:34.820 which is not really a calm year but um can you explain what the brandenburg case is
00:20:40.380 sure what it was denberg was a nazi who was uh making horrible horrible speeches um but he wasn't
00:20:48.760 inciting anybody directly and uh the nazis in those days had no influence no power they weren't getting
00:20:55.320 people to do things um the people who were creating problems then were during the vietnam war people from
00:21:01.320 the left i represented a lot of them and i represented people who uh disrupted the democratic convention
00:21:08.020 in uh 1968 uh the chicago seven and other people like that and i saw with my own eyes that some of
00:21:15.780 these people who started as disruptors and violent uh confrontationists and people pushing and shoving
00:21:22.700 and and and and uh you know breaking property and stuff like that ultimately became murderers like
00:21:29.340 kathy budine who ended up uh being responsible for the killing of two policemen uh or the weathermen who
00:21:35.500 planted bombs um and and killed people um and um and then their leaders became you know prominent spokesmen
00:21:43.640 of the left uh professors in various places so i saw that and what i'm seeing now is a different a
00:21:52.940 different uh kind of quantity and what we're seeing it is when with the you know globalize the intifada
00:21:59.240 uh and palestine will be free from the river to the sea those are calls for violence and uh under the
00:22:05.340 current brandenburg case they're protected speech i think they should still be protected speech but my
00:22:11.120 view my prediction is that when the next case comes up to the supreme court this supreme court um i think
00:22:19.460 they may take a more security oriented point of view and say wait a minute the incitement doesn't have to be
00:22:25.600 so direct it could be a little bit more indirect and let the jury decide that issue so i'm i'm concerned
00:22:33.020 about that you know in my book the preventive state i have a whole chapter on free speech and
00:22:38.280 how free speech can sometimes cause violence and but that it's not proper to deny free speech in order
00:22:47.080 to prevent violence we have to think of better ways of preventing violence and in the preventive state i come
00:22:53.140 up i think with better ways than constraining free speech because i i i really i'm with you on this
00:22:59.840 this really disturbs me when i read this article uh from you yesterday the story from you yesterday i i
00:23:05.060 i needed to talk to you because i'm like this is this is horrible this is this goes beyond um uh cancel
00:23:13.060 culture this is now the government being able to come in and say nope yeah right that's really bad
00:23:21.100 yeah look there are so many preventive mechanisms we use that have effects on free speech even
00:23:26.360 deportation um deportation obviously denies the deported person the right to speak freely
00:23:33.320 in this country now of course under the constitution a citizen has the most free speech rights a green
00:23:39.880 card holder second most visa holders almost no free speech rights they can be deported if they say
00:23:46.020 things that are contrary to the interests of the united states they're just guests in the country
00:23:49.980 and so um you know i think we're going to see a lot lots of movement in this area because we're
00:23:59.120 going to see a lot more violence let me tell you what happened to me uh the the day before uh the
00:24:05.540 killings in the district of columbia this one christian boy and jewish woman who were killed
00:24:10.120 working for the embassy the day after that i was getting an honorary degree at a college in florida
00:24:17.100 and the security people from the college came up to me and said we're terrified that there might be
00:24:21.820 a copycat uh attempt to kill you because you're a prominent uh spokesman um for pro-israel points of
00:24:29.740 view and so they created a whole security thing around me where uh they created an escape plan they had
00:24:36.980 policemen with machine guns and with uh bulletproof uh glass to protect me and uh i i i have redoubled my
00:24:45.760 security uh and i think we're going to see more copycat crimes i think that hamas wants to see
00:24:51.460 violence in the united states that's their goal to get more people to kill jews christians uh and
00:24:59.620 others in the united states and i think they're probably going to succeed unless there are some
00:25:03.660 preventive steps that are taking taken now the preventive steps should not include uh diminutions
00:25:08.860 of of legitimate free speech onto the constitution i i i tell you i you know i see what the government
00:25:17.000 is doing and how ai is you know in silicon valley is playing a big role with the pentagon and cia and
00:25:23.620 and everything else and i am really really concerned if there is another big event like a 9-11 yeah i fear
00:25:31.380 americans are just going to run to that kind of stuff and then we're in a trap that i don't think we get
00:25:36.760 out of yeah but that's what history shows and in my book to prevent a state i show that there's a
00:25:42.920 common phenomenon we underreact and we don't prevent we didn't prevent pearl harbor we didn't
00:25:48.880 prevent 9-11 uh israel didn't prevent october 7th then what happened after we failed to prevent
00:25:54.960 pearl harbor we put 110 000 innocent japanese americans in camps in order to prevent them from
00:26:02.200 doing it again they never would have done it again we overreacted after 9-11 we created the
00:26:08.000 patriot act which gave the government too much power uh to prevent a recurrence of that and you know
00:26:14.260 reasonably disagree about israel but a lot of people think that israel uh for failure to prevent october
00:26:20.040 7th which they could have done they had the intelligence may have overreacted uh in in gaza i'm not
00:26:25.840 agreeing with that i'm just telling you historically there's a phenomenon it starts with under prediction
00:26:31.580 and ends up with overreaction to the event that was not predicted and prevented that's the one of
00:26:38.220 the theses of my book so what what should we expect and how do we prepare ourselves so we don't go down
00:26:48.220 that road well first of all we do a lot more uh preparation and prevention uh we tried desperately
00:26:56.920 to use what the resources are available i'll give you an example um the um young man who burned those
00:27:05.100 people in boulder colorado he was here illegally uh he had over overstayed his visa there's there's
00:27:12.220 nothing wrong with using artificial intelligence and computer technology to keep track of people who
00:27:17.860 are here illegally and once he overstayed his visa action could have been taken and maybe this crime
00:27:24.400 could have been prevented um so i think there are preventive steps that are consistent with the
00:27:29.600 constitution with free speech that can be taken to avoid the cataclysmic events i'm going to give you
00:27:36.060 another horrible example that's we're working on right now uh should the united states and israel uh bomb
00:27:43.300 iran's nuclear um facilities we know they're planning to create an atomic bomb and we know that in the
00:27:50.780 1930s if france and england had prevented germany from building up its army that would have saved 50
00:27:57.480 million lives but we didn't know it then and so these are the kinds of preventive decisions but
00:28:04.000 there's no free lunch every preventive decision entails some diminution of liberty and you know
00:28:09.600 benjamin franklin was correct when he said uh those who would deny essential liberties to secure a little
00:28:15.540 bit more security deserve neither but the question is can we deny a little bit of non-essential liberty
00:28:21.600 um to prevent major cataclysmic events give you an example if before 9-11 we had arrested 10 people
00:28:29.320 and prevented 9-11 and four of the people arrested were improperly arrested and spent two months in jail
00:28:35.000 improperly that's probably a trade-off that's worth it
00:28:38.040 what are non-essential liberties
00:28:43.880 well there's a continuum obviously free speech is the most essential uh liberty um privacy is a matter of degree
00:28:53.860 and um you know keeping track of uh people who are here illegally does in some way invade their
00:29:01.820 right of privacy but in a in a small way because they really don't have a right to be there
00:29:06.920 at all liberty is a continuum and we have to make sure that we don't go after fundamental liberties
00:29:13.260 as i think look what could be worse than putting 110 000 japanese americans in camps and denying them
00:29:19.880 their right to earn a living we did that for three years in the supreme court with liberal justices
00:29:25.180 earl warren was the governor of california at the time hugo black was on the supreme court
00:29:29.940 they all agreed with that only a couple of justices justice jackson uh didn't agree with it
00:29:36.680 but americans were outraged at pearl harbor as they were outraged at 9-11 and when you're outraged
00:29:42.240 you don't think uh carefully i know uh and that is that's a little terrifying and just looking at
00:29:50.480 what's coming around the world uh and then seeing the growth of ai and what can be done it it's a little
00:29:58.300 frightening that we will jump immediately to yes we need a super duper patriot act um that yeah no i
00:30:05.940 think that's right we need a super duper patriot act that denies free speech that's the first thing
00:30:10.840 because people hate free speech you know vert the vast majority of americans even though they
00:30:16.540 claim to support the first amendment believe in free speech for me but not for thee i used to when i
00:30:22.280 taught my class on the first amendment i would ask students how many people believe free speech for
00:30:25.900 everybody and everybody would raise their hand and then i would say but what about uh pornography
00:30:29.980 well some hands went down uh what about and then i would do a lot what about anti-semitism some hands
00:30:35.860 would go down what about the bigotry against catholics some hands would go down by the end of
00:30:40.920 the class there were no hands up everybody had an exception you're listening to the best of the
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00:30:51.820 you get podcasts last month the big beautiful bill uh cleared the house by a single vote the senators
00:31:00.500 now have been meeting for weeks behind closed doors um they returned to washington late monday they
00:31:06.820 revised the package um donald trump just tweeted out passing the one big beautiful bill is a historic
00:31:13.180 opportunity to turn our country around uh they need to work as fast as they can to get this bill to my
00:31:18.820 desk before the fourth of july um then you have elon musk saying the massive outrageous pork filled
00:31:25.260 congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination uh shame on those who voted for it you
00:31:30.660 know you did wrong you know it mike johnson then says well that was disappointing with all due respect
00:31:37.400 uh elon musk is my friend and he's terribly wrong about the one big beautiful bill my gosh my head hurts
00:31:43.940 from all of this now the white house is sending an additional nine billion dollars in cuts which is
00:31:49.660 nice but uh you know we were hoping for like you know one trillion dollars in cuts and everybody's
00:31:55.220 arguing over nine billion dollars in in cuts how is this thing gonna even pass what is happening here
00:32:04.940 uh we have chip roy who is who voted for the last one reluctantly uh and i don't know where he stands
00:32:13.060 now chip roy welcome to the program how are you chip glenn how you doing brother i'm good i'm good
00:32:20.580 uh must not be fun being you right now well you know here's the thing when you have a reputation for
00:32:29.180 trying to do the right thing people do i think want to come to you to try to figure out all right like
00:32:33.320 what's the score here what's the real deal i'm proud that i think people see me as someone who
00:32:38.040 tries to be honest and and kind of you know work through this to achieve what you and i i think and
00:32:42.420 all your listeners want to achieve we have an obligation to get this done but we have to get
00:32:47.160 it done right um you said thank you for saying that i voted for it reluctantly because i did reluctantly
00:32:53.220 vote for it my messaging at the time was reluctant right we have to weigh a lot of things right now
00:32:58.120 we have a president who was given a mandate a president that you and i support what he's
00:33:03.160 doing taking on the establishment taking on this town um you know rooting out all this dei and woke
00:33:09.000 garbage you know pushing the barriers you know securing the border all the things that we know
00:33:13.940 are happening and we need to do certain things in this bill we do need tax relief we do need to extend
00:33:20.880 the tax cuts we need economic growth by putting more money in the hands in the pockets of americans
00:33:26.060 those are all important things but we've got to cut spending and the swamp creatures in congress
00:33:31.680 aren't good at that people like may have been beating our head against the wall trying to
00:33:35.580 demonstrate hey here's what we need to do here's how we need to cut so now we got to balance this
00:33:40.060 thing the reason i was reluctant is because it does do some really good things that we bled and fought
00:33:46.060 for for two months glenn i mean the week before last we were like three straight days and going down
00:33:50.880 negotiating with the white house negotiating with folks and what we got was good was it great no
00:33:56.460 it was good we got the inflation reduction act green new scam we got a full repeal of basically
00:34:02.780 all future projects but no we don't deal with the 400 billion of existing projects we got historic
00:34:09.540 medicaid reductions reductions in the increases yes but a trillion dollars worth that's never been
00:34:15.160 done glenn literally but is that good enough for the moment maybe not i think we needed to do better
00:34:20.980 on fmap and provider taxes all the things about the vulnerable versus the able body we got medicaid
00:34:26.260 work requirements moved up from 29 to 26 we fought like hell to make the bill something that i think
00:34:33.000 we could be proud of certain elements but elon's not wrong okay elon's not wrong that for the moment
00:34:39.980 we need to do better we need more spending restraint we need to meet this moment with the actual deficit
00:34:45.960 reduction that is necessary if we get economic growth from the taxes if we get economic growth
00:34:51.940 from the regulatory policy if we get economic growth because the president is strong and leading
00:34:56.400 then we can get out of this mess but it is that plus spending restraint last point i do think it is worth
00:35:03.620 noting that i'm not sure that elon is really excited about the extent to which we are killing the
00:35:10.640 subsidies across the board all future subsidies for evs for solar panels for the wind crap all
00:35:18.420 future subsidies we are mostly killing there's a few lingering projects but we tightened it down the
00:35:23.580 left is losing their damn mind glenn so there is a little of that that's also at play so that's a
00:35:29.680 long-winded explanation a lot to do we're pushing the senate they need to go further we i think we need
00:35:34.900 to fix some stuff but i can promise you this glenn if this bill backslides if they walk off of what
00:35:40.980 we got which i don't even think is necessarily good enough i can promise you i will oppose it in the
00:35:46.200 house so we'll see what the senate does your your speculation on what they're going to do
00:35:54.060 are they making it worse right now is it getting better i think there are forces at play
00:36:00.840 that are desperately trying to undo the benefits we got with respect to repealing the green new scam
00:36:08.900 subsidies which by the way the president of the united states campaigned fully and clearly on
00:36:14.380 terminating the green new scam subsidies there are forces in the senate who want to undo that
00:36:19.520 there are forces in the house who regret voting for those subsidy terminations um i think there are
00:36:26.040 forces in the senate who uh are wary of some of our medicaid reforms which were important on work
00:36:33.140 requirements on eligibility to tighten down and make sure that you know we're trying to make sure
00:36:37.980 the the able-bodied aren't getting benefits etc um i don't think it went far enough so we're going to
00:36:43.560 have to work hard just to hold the line at the house bill which glenn i would say is on the edge
00:36:50.460 of whether it's good enough to merit moving forward and then hope we get three yards in a cloud of dust
00:36:55.680 i will tell you that if we can repeal the ira subsidies get the medicaid reforms constrain
00:37:01.700 the spending and get the economic growth in the tax policy that net it is moving the ball down the
00:37:07.300 field that's why i held my nose but if we were a truly conservative congress we would cut more
00:37:12.900 that's just the truth so i read all kinds of things from the banking sector that uh we're talking
00:37:22.520 about our treasury bills that we are we are so dangerously close you raise the debt ceiling yet
00:37:29.400 again we are dangerously close to the rest of the world saying i can't buy their debt anymore i mean
00:37:35.480 they're not serious about anything do you believe we're that close
00:37:39.820 that this might be we're in a very yeah i believe we're on a knife's edge i think that the bond markets
00:37:46.740 are signaling that i think this is why scott besant has been saying we need to get deficits down as
00:37:52.260 a percentage of gdp so we can signal to the bond markets what needs to be signaled i think that we
00:37:58.020 have an obligation to get this right uh right now in order to frankly why is why isn't anybody listening
00:38:05.220 to that why isn't anybody listening to to to besant and to the bond market that that that's lights out for
00:38:12.260 america if we don't get that right yeah and let me give you another uh scary point right if we are
00:38:19.020 having to refinance our debts at higher interest rates which currently we would be projecting much
00:38:25.300 higher interest rates than the cbo is even projecting putting aside the cbo we all recognize that they're
00:38:29.980 flawed doesn't matter you got to just look at the model that's in front of you the current model projects
00:38:34.760 refinancing that debt at three and a half percent but what if we have to refinance it at the historic
00:38:39.260 levels of four four and a half five percent right we would have massively more interest expense instead
00:38:45.820 of a trillion it'd be a trillion and a half instead of a trillion have to be two trillion we are going
00:38:50.160 to gobble up our entire government expenditure with interest i mean glenn it is that bad and here's the
00:38:57.580 problem is congress finally waking up to what you and i and the freedom caucus conservatives have been
00:39:03.520 saying now for a decade plus yes they're realizing that we're in a real bad spot so all that's doing
00:39:10.080 is getting them to come to the table to do the bare minimum right the medicaid reforms the inflation
00:39:16.480 reduction act subsidies the food stamp reforms the other things we just put in this bill all of which
00:39:21.940 are good but not as far as i would go i'm just be clear for your listeners they're finally getting to
00:39:27.920 the table to accept that and they're getting there too late so now what i'm saying is we need to be
00:39:32.540 doing more let's talk about the rescissions for a second the president is sending up rescissions
00:39:37.200 and yes it's just nine billion the reason it's that small amount and so everybody listening out there
00:39:42.640 why why does this matter the reconciliation package can pass the senate with 51 votes
00:39:47.860 the normal appropriations process which we still have to do this year will require 60 votes in the senate
00:39:54.620 right so that means it's going to be hard to get through democrats so this rescissions process is a
00:40:00.480 way to try to cut some of these ridiculous programs like usa id and other things um using a 51 vote
00:40:08.280 threshold so that is why we're trying to move it that way the reason it's just a smaller nine billion
00:40:15.740 dollar number is it's a test case will congress do its job and do this first down payment a nine billion
00:40:23.720 dollar rescission of pbs npr and a bunch of those usa id foreign uh government funding uh foreign aid
00:40:33.260 uh wasteful program and now we'll see i'll of course vote for that you know i will you don't have to so
00:40:38.880 but will the moderates we'll find out if they do we'll get another rescissions package sent up right
00:40:44.480 after that so this is all part of the process working with russ vote the omb the president so i don't
00:40:49.540 mean to filibuster but that's the that's the update jib speak about the process a little bit because i
00:40:54.000 it's fascinating to watch this bill try to make its way through all of this like for my at least my
00:41:00.100 estimate so far or my understanding is there's at least two congress congressmen who who and one
00:41:05.400 congresswoman i suppose who uh already have said that their vote was a yes but now it would be a no
00:41:13.280 because they didn't realize what they were voting for which would already put you under the amount that
00:41:18.600 you need to get it passed this the salt people in the house are saying if you get rid of salt we're
00:41:23.760 done yeah and the senate is saying we're getting rid of salt or at least adjusting it how does this
00:41:29.080 thing get across the finish line well i mean like everything else you got to figure out how you
00:41:34.360 navigate to get 218 and to get 51 um we've managed to get it to this far uh look you go to war with army
00:41:41.260 you got right we have the congress that we have we have the president that we have who's trying to get
00:41:45.880 this done and we're trying to work to do it i think we're in the zip code but we're not where
00:41:50.220 we need to be so let's take the things you just you gave some examples are there things in the bill
00:41:55.020 that some of us knew about and were warning about that others are now just kind of waking up and
00:41:59.780 seeing yes right at the time i said for example there's a car tax in this bill you fools i don't i don't
00:42:08.120 support it it was a tax to make up for the fact that evs and hybrids can't you know pay their fair
00:42:14.240 share of the gas tax they needed 40 billion dollars to pay for some coast guard and other
00:42:19.340 stuff so how did they pay for it in the committee what they did was they added a car tax for evs and
00:42:26.740 for hybrids now do you think that we conservatives of limited government uh uh you know views believe
00:42:34.060 we should have a car tax i sure as hell though um how about the ai restrictions should we prohibit florida
00:42:42.160 and should we prohibit texas from being able to have some sort of regulation on ai from a federalism
00:42:48.180 standpoint i'm not sure we should right so there's lots of things in this bill that i knew all this
00:42:52.940 was telling people about it but man there's only like 40 fights you can pick my fight was you're going
00:42:59.460 to repeal these these damned subsidies uh on the inflation reduction act that are killing our grid
00:43:05.020 undermining our national security and destroying natural gas and nuclear energy options
00:43:10.260 my fight was trying to get medicaid held down about 20 other fights for example the car tax
00:43:15.640 scott perry and i and a couple of others we at least killed the tax on the internal combustion
00:43:20.200 engines they were going to have a car tax on every car in america y'all so look we're fighting everything
00:43:26.120 we got coming at us there are things that need to get fixed to answer your question if they need to
00:43:32.200 adjust salt i might try to call the bluff of the guys in the salt caucus and say really you're going to
00:43:37.680 vote this down because you didn't get more subsidies for your great big blue state tax
00:43:41.720 jurisdictions right but if they want to try to call our bluff i can tell you if they repeal back
00:43:46.040 the inflation reduction act stuff which the president campaigned on then that's going to be a real
00:43:51.880 problem so we will see it is a fine line and i'm trying to work with leadership the white house to
00:43:59.240 deliver as close to my values as i can and be able to look in the mirror and say that i did enough
00:44:05.440 and i'm not sure gentlemen i'm sure i'm always trying to shoot straight we're walking a line
00:44:10.000 it could easily peel off and i can't support it it could move in the right direction and i'll support
00:44:14.400 it and say let's go fight tomorrow for the next thing i'm trying to work in good faith with the
00:44:18.940 president and his team to deliver there's a lot of good things in this bill let's remember that
00:44:23.440 a trillion dollars of real medicaid reforms we've never done that before guys ever
00:44:28.040 right the inflation reduction act planned parenthood not funded trans surgeries repealed for adults and kids
00:44:35.300 to defund that with their left have gone so far we're peeling a lot of that back so let's remember
00:44:41.060 the good stuff while we're trying to you know highlight some of our concerns
00:44:45.340 chip i you're very reasoned and um i really appreciate talking to you and i really am so
00:44:52.640 glad that you are representing the great state of texas um you're a guy that at least i feel i can trust
00:44:58.680 i you know you say what you mean and you mean what you say and that is the number one thing i i look for
00:45:04.000 and a representative is somebody who will say the same thing to me to my face as they will behind
00:45:09.000 closed doors and i really appreciate all your hard work on this thanks jib hey i please appreciate
00:45:14.580 glenn and thank you for exposing all this to the american people and being truthful about it like
00:45:18.300 because this is hard for people like us because you you want to be with the team to move the ball
00:45:22.580 down the field we want to succeed we want to win but you also don't want to be you don't want to eat a
00:45:27.000 crap sandwich so i look i promise you i will level set the good and the bad and the ugly and
00:45:32.780 then you just have to decide what's the best for the country and vote and move forward so
00:45:36.440 that's where we are next time it starts to move forward you just you call in and and you let us
00:45:41.880 know what's in it okay just make sure you get a hold of me as soon as you start to see things
00:45:45.180 moving forward you let us know uh because i'd appreciate your point of view on that thanks jib
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