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00:00:28.000 on freedom of speech and something frightening he thinks is coming through the supreme court in the

00:00:32.560 coming days weeks months years uh a curb on freedom of speech and i think he's right unfortunately

00:00:39.840 also chip roy gives us the straight skinny on the big beautiful bill what's in it what's coming is

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00:03:12.960 you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program okay so let me tell you this is what happens when

00:03:30.320 powerful people write checks and the rest of us stay silent earlier this week a report came out

00:03:37.440 quietly of course that that uh laureen powell jobs eric schmidt and the tides foundation has given 0.76

00:03:45.160 millions of dollars to a man who openly praised the assassination of two israeli diplomats in

00:03:51.440 washington dc he called that shooting morally righteous not tragic not wrong not even controversial

00:03:58.720 morally righteous

00:04:01.080 now the people giving this man money are not nobodies they're not on the fringe it's not some

00:04:10.360 anarchist with a megaphone in a parking lot in oregon

00:04:13.540 this is camu franklin he's the head of a non-profit profit called community movement builders

00:04:21.940 and the work is being funded by some of the richest people in silicon valley and the democratic donor class

00:04:28.600 now i just want you to remember when i give you the name jobs what do you think of steve jobs what

00:04:36.880 did he do silicon valley tech when i talked to you about eric schmidt what does he do a i

00:04:45.120 so these people are now the former ceo of google plus the arabella network we know that the tides

00:04:53.720 the tides foundation all soros backed organizations when they when they put their money nearly two

00:05:02.120 million dollars in one year went to this guy's group a group that calls israeli existence the result 0.87

00:05:09.500 of a war crime who has labeled police as killer pigs and praises black separatists convicted of 0.96

00:05:18.240 murdering cops when when they send their money to that guy and we say nothing we have a real problem 0.97

00:05:25.900 because what else are they doing to our tech what else are they writing into the algorithms

00:05:30.280 who else is involved these are just big names that are openly doing it and they don't seem to have

00:05:35.880 a problem what about all the other people in silicon valley and now that group that ideology

00:05:41.860 is being funded with institutional backing and tax deductible status these are people that are now

00:05:48.760 writing the curriculum for your kids influencing the elections hosting panels on ai and equity and

00:05:56.500 justice at all of the universities now i hate this i really do i hate this and it's i'm not going to 0.67

00:06:05.040 where you think i'm going on this but if this were a conservative a republican a donor group that funded a

00:06:11.240 group that said something half as inflammatory as this even vaguely racist or violent what would the

00:06:17.860 media do okay they would nuke their reputations from orbit they would cancel the companies they would

00:06:25.660 demand congressional hearings and you know what that is about the level of where it should be

00:06:32.600 if you were talking about killing cops praising people shooting others in the street because they're

00:06:42.800 jewish and saying it's morally what did he say morally justified 0.98

00:06:47.560 morally righteous if you could say morally righteous you know i i think we should we should question you

00:06:58.340 your your business everything else and i don't mean as a government i mean as people okay

00:07:04.860 but what happens if the same poison comes from the approved side nothing silence sometimes applause

00:07:16.040 sometimes more donations franklin's group defended the killing of israeli civilians

00:07:24.340 hmm now they praise the killing of israeli civilians in the same breath they praised

00:07:34.360 kassam soleimani the iranian general responsible for the deaths of countless u.s troops they called

00:07:41.480 him simply a resister a man who strengthened hezbollah if you don't know what hezbollah is 1.00

00:07:48.940 you're a moron you're no you're dangerous you are dangerous 1.00

00:07:55.240 how did we get here how is this suddenly acceptable in our society 1.00

00:08:02.540 more importantly how is it that some of the most important and powerful figures in tech

00:08:11.380 and media are funding it you know it's really hard to hide behind the word justice when you cheer for

00:08:20.620 murder but they don't see it as murder they see it as as morally justified you can that guy was

00:08:29.640 running an insurance company and that insurance company was probably denying people some claims so

00:08:35.800 we can gun him down in the streets you can't talk about justice if you're cheering that on you can't

00:08:42.780 talk about unity when you're bankrolling separatists you can't scream fascism and then fun a man who wants

00:08:50.460 racial enclaves state control of speech or the abolition of the nuclear family don't talk to me 0.63

00:08:59.380 about totalitarian you don't even know what it means that's not progress that's not equity it's not even

00:09:08.760 politics this is the intentional destabilization of a country using the language of compassion to

00:09:17.140 smuggle in extremism that's kind of the theme of today's show extremism how did we get here why are

00:09:24.740 we tolerating what's happening in our own streets the question is is not why is this happening the

00:09:33.540 question really is at this point why are we letting it happen why are we the the citizen the journalist

00:09:42.180 the lawmaker still quiet about all of this why is the white house silent when a top democratic donor

00:09:49.980 gives money to a group that calls hamas attack solidarity why is the department of justice looking

00:09:57.120 the other way when the tax-exempt organizations support racial separatism and endorse convicted cop

00:10:05.040 killers as role models should they play a role and here's the biggest question really of all what

00:10:14.700 happens to a civilization who forgets to say no no no it's not righteous to murder civilians no it's not

00:10:25.280 justice to fund hate with billionaire checks no it's not brave to remain silent when cancer is growing

00:10:32.060 what happens to that civilization because this is not a partisan issue and i know you know this is the

00:10:40.040 worst part of my job i think is i am very opinionated obviously if you've listened to me

00:10:45.340 and i get i get hammered from all sides you know i wish on hannity yesterday and we were talking to a

00:10:55.420 group and and he said you know i'm glad to be here with glenn beck who you know in 2016 gave me

00:11:01.920 hell for supporting donald trump i'm like yeah i did and i was wrong and i admitted it

00:11:08.840 but i'm not a partisan guy i don't care what the label is i look for what is right and wrong and

00:11:19.560 when somebody like donald trump did not have the record i wasn't willing to trust and maybe that's

00:11:26.160 a flaw in me but i wasn't willing to trust i'm sorry i am a little like doubting thomas i need to put

00:11:34.080 my finger there i need to see it but when i saw it i'm there okay i'm hated by everybody i have not

00:11:44.760 had a president in my lifetime that liked me because generally i don't like the presidents

00:11:49.260 i don't like either party and yet everything i say is always couched as i'm just a shill for

00:12:00.500 the republicans or whatever you know you know what i'm i'm not even a shill you know what i am a fan

00:12:05.700 of you know what i am a supporter of the rule of law and the constitution and the declaration of

00:12:11.340 independence and i actually mean that i can quote those documents most people in politics who say 0.83

00:12:17.020 that they've never read the damn thing 0.64

00:12:18.880 it's not a partisan issue this is all about right and wrong it's not left or right and the longer we 0.96

00:12:30.380 pretend otherwise the faster we're going to descend into something we will not recognize and may not

00:12:36.400 survive we've got to wake up before we lose our ability and our right to speak

00:12:44.940 so let me ask you some questions because that's the other thing about today's show is i just want

00:12:55.740 to ask critical thinking questions why are the ultra wealthy elites and tech billionaires funding

00:13:01.760 organizations that openly support political violence and endorse the killing of diplomats

00:13:06.860 shouldn't that be the number one question out of every press person's mouth if you run in

00:13:12.480 to eric schmidt if you run into mrs jobs the tides foundation why do you support political violence

00:13:21.820 and endorse the killing of diplomats on our streets

00:13:25.600 eric schmidt loreen powell jobs tides foundation what do you believe you're achieving by bankrolling

00:13:36.320 community movement builders what is it that you love about them are you aware of their

00:13:42.240 rhetoric or are you just turning a blind eye because the ends justify the means that's

00:13:47.080 really an important question will somebody ask it or answer it what accountability exists for the

00:13:54.340 philanthropies that fund groups promoting violence or separatism is there in any accountability because

00:14:01.460 i knew there would be with me

00:14:02.860 why does the community movement builders call murder of diplomats morally righteous

00:14:10.640 and how does that square with broader liberal or humanitarian values

00:14:16.420 if your goals are liberation and justice why do you glorify terrorist leaders and groups that have committed atrocities

00:14:27.080 what does it mean for a u.s based non-profit to call for liberated zones under separate racial

00:14:35.460 governance is this inclusion or is it segregation under just a different name 0.97

00:14:40.740 if an ideology calls for collective racial control of resources and defines police as killer pigs

00:14:49.200 is that promoting civic unity or justice and again why are the silicon valley people

00:14:57.140 pouring millions of dollars in to promote that

00:15:00.320 why are groups this extreme receiving significant democratic donor support especially when their rhetoric

00:15:12.940 goes beyond protest into open support for political violence and separatism

00:15:17.160 how far from the traditional democratic platform are these ideas i mean the party you're not don't seem to be

00:15:24.460 distancing yourself from in fact you seem to quietly embrace this and it's getting louder your quiet is

00:15:31.500 starting to get a little loud what what are the dark money networks like arabella play in shaping the 1.00

00:15:38.760 grassroots movement with potentially extreme ideologies is anybody looking into that are politicians like

00:15:45.820 kamala harris or uh raphael warnock aware of the full nature of the groups being funded through packs and networks aligned with them

00:15:54.460 why is there so little media scrutiny of these connections compared to the other political funding controversies

00:16:04.300 why is anti-semitism tolerated or overlooked when it comes from far left or minority focused groups i i just don't know

00:16:10.980 why does mainstream media the the outlets including those owned by donors like the atlantic

00:16:16.320 fail to report critically on any of these stories

00:16:20.040 is is the public being misled by selective coverage or the avoidance of topics that might expose contradictions in elite or party narratives i just

00:16:29.940 is any of this coordinated

00:16:36.780 why are so many elite donors media owners ngos echoing the same talking points and funding overlapping causes

00:16:46.080 what happens to a republic a democratic society when billionaires tech moguls and activist groups openly fund

00:16:56.580 radical ideological movements that seek to dismantle all of the existing legal and social structures

00:17:03.480 what happens to that society

00:17:06.040 i think these are questions that maybe we should spend some time answering

00:17:11.680 i think these are some questions that maybe somebody as a journalist

00:17:15.720 should be asking people of power people in silicon valley people who are billionaires that are donating

00:17:23.740 to these very radical groups

00:17:26.240 or are we just going to play politics again yeah let's just play politics today again media

00:17:33.300 you're you're so good at it let's just do that

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00:18:55.880 now back to the podcast this is the best of the glenbeck program

00:19:08.020 welcome alan dershowitz how are you sir i'm doing great how are you i'm good so did i get this right

00:19:19.840 you're you're talking about now that the supreme court might start leaning towards security over free

00:19:25.780 speech in the in the coming years yeah look i pride myself on never uh it does i pride myself on

00:19:33.840 never making predictions based on what i want to happen that's what lawrence tribe does that's what

00:19:40.120 others on the left do and that's why they're always wrong i make predictions based on my analysis of

00:19:45.980 trends this is not a trend i approve of but it's a trend i see coming i see coming it in the area of

00:19:53.300 defamation i see it coming in the area of incitement i think that the brandenburg decision was written

00:20:00.520 during a time of relative calm and we weren't seeing the kinds of incitements to violence that we

00:20:07.020 saw that probably led to the burning of jews in uh in boulder colorado and the shooting of these two

00:20:14.380 innocent people in washington dc and uh other kinds of things uh look i i have a lot of

00:20:21.500 you just said and i find this amazing that you said you just said it happened in a you know in a

00:20:28.720 time of relative calm it was 1969 um that this case came down to the supreme court if i'm not mistaken

00:20:34.820 which is not really a calm year but um can you explain what the brandenburg case is

00:20:40.380 sure what it was denberg was a nazi who was uh making horrible horrible speeches um but he wasn't

00:20:48.760 inciting anybody directly and uh the nazis in those days had no influence no power they weren't getting

00:20:55.320 people to do things um the people who were creating problems then were during the vietnam war people from

00:21:01.320 the left i represented a lot of them and i represented people who uh disrupted the democratic convention

00:21:08.020 in uh 1968 uh the chicago seven and other people like that and i saw with my own eyes that some of

00:21:15.780 these people who started as disruptors and violent uh confrontationists and people pushing and shoving

00:21:22.700 and and and and uh you know breaking property and stuff like that ultimately became murderers like

00:21:29.340 kathy budine who ended up uh being responsible for the killing of two policemen uh or the weathermen who

00:21:35.500 planted bombs um and and killed people um and um and then their leaders became you know prominent spokesmen

00:21:43.640 of the left uh professors in various places so i saw that and what i'm seeing now is a different a

00:21:52.940 different uh kind of quantity and what we're seeing it is when with the you know globalize the intifada

00:21:59.240 uh and palestine will be free from the river to the sea those are calls for violence and uh under the

00:22:05.340 current brandenburg case they're protected speech i think they should still be protected speech but my

00:22:11.120 view my prediction is that when the next case comes up to the supreme court this supreme court um i think

00:22:19.460 they may take a more security oriented point of view and say wait a minute the incitement doesn't have to be

00:22:25.600 so direct it could be a little bit more indirect and let the jury decide that issue so i'm i'm concerned

00:22:33.020 about that you know in my book the preventive state i have a whole chapter on free speech and

00:22:38.280 how free speech can sometimes cause violence and but that it's not proper to deny free speech in order

00:22:47.080 to prevent violence we have to think of better ways of preventing violence and in the preventive state i come

00:22:53.140 up i think with better ways than constraining free speech because i i i really i'm with you on this

00:22:59.840 this really disturbs me when i read this article uh from you yesterday the story from you yesterday i i

00:23:05.060 i needed to talk to you because i'm like this is this is horrible this is this goes beyond um uh cancel

00:23:13.060 culture this is now the government being able to come in and say nope yeah right that's really bad

00:23:21.100 yeah look there are so many preventive mechanisms we use that have effects on free speech even

00:23:26.360 deportation um deportation obviously denies the deported person the right to speak freely

00:23:33.320 in this country now of course under the constitution a citizen has the most free speech rights a green 0.92

00:23:39.880 card holder second most visa holders almost no free speech rights they can be deported if they say 1.00

00:23:46.020 things that are contrary to the interests of the united states they're just guests in the country

00:23:49.980 and so um you know i think we're going to see a lot lots of movement in this area because we're

00:23:59.120 going to see a lot more violence let me tell you what happened to me uh the the day before uh the

00:24:05.540 killings in the district of columbia this one christian boy and jewish woman who were killed

00:24:10.120 working for the embassy the day after that i was getting an honorary degree at a college in florida

00:24:17.100 and the security people from the college came up to me and said we're terrified that there might be

00:24:21.820 a copycat uh attempt to kill you because you're a prominent uh spokesman um for pro-israel points of

00:24:29.740 view and so they created a whole security thing around me where uh they created an escape plan they had

00:24:36.980 policemen with machine guns and with uh bulletproof uh glass to protect me and uh i i i have redoubled my

00:24:45.760 security uh and i think we're going to see more copycat crimes i think that hamas wants to see 0.95

00:24:51.460 violence in the united states that's their goal to get more people to kill jews christians uh and 0.88

00:24:59.620 others in the united states and i think they're probably going to succeed unless there are some

00:25:03.660 preventive steps that are taking taken now the preventive steps should not include uh diminutions

00:25:08.860 of of legitimate free speech onto the constitution i i i tell you i you know i see what the government

00:25:17.000 is doing and how ai is you know in silicon valley is playing a big role with the pentagon and cia and

00:25:23.620 and everything else and i am really really concerned if there is another big event like a 9-11 yeah i fear

00:25:31.380 americans are just going to run to that kind of stuff and then we're in a trap that i don't think we get

00:25:36.760 out of yeah but that's what history shows and in my book to prevent a state i show that there's a

00:25:42.920 common phenomenon we underreact and we don't prevent we didn't prevent pearl harbor we didn't

00:25:48.880 prevent 9-11 uh israel didn't prevent october 7th then what happened after we failed to prevent

00:25:54.960 pearl harbor we put 110 000 innocent japanese americans in camps in order to prevent them from

00:26:02.200 doing it again they never would have done it again we overreacted after 9-11 we created the

00:26:08.000 patriot act which gave the government too much power uh to prevent a recurrence of that and you know

00:26:14.260 reasonably disagree about israel but a lot of people think that israel uh for failure to prevent october

00:26:20.040 7th which they could have done they had the intelligence may have overreacted uh in in gaza i'm not

00:26:25.840 agreeing with that i'm just telling you historically there's a phenomenon it starts with under prediction

00:26:31.580 and ends up with overreaction to the event that was not predicted and prevented that's the one of

00:26:38.220 the theses of my book so what what should we expect and how do we prepare ourselves so we don't go down

00:26:48.220 that road well first of all we do a lot more uh preparation and prevention uh we tried desperately

00:26:56.920 to use what the resources are available i'll give you an example um the um young man who burned those

00:27:05.100 people in boulder colorado he was here illegally uh he had over overstayed his visa there's there's

00:27:12.220 nothing wrong with using artificial intelligence and computer technology to keep track of people who

00:27:17.860 are here illegally and once he overstayed his visa action could have been taken and maybe this crime

00:27:24.400 could have been prevented um so i think there are preventive steps that are consistent with the

00:27:29.600 constitution with free speech that can be taken to avoid the cataclysmic events i'm going to give you

00:27:36.060 another horrible example that's we're working on right now uh should the united states and israel uh bomb 0.62

00:27:43.300 iran's nuclear um facilities we know they're planning to create an atomic bomb and we know that in the

00:27:50.780 1930s if france and england had prevented germany from building up its army that would have saved 50

00:27:57.480 million lives but we didn't know it then and so these are the kinds of preventive decisions but

00:28:04.000 there's no free lunch every preventive decision entails some diminution of liberty and you know

00:28:09.600 benjamin franklin was correct when he said uh those who would deny essential liberties to secure a little

00:28:15.540 bit more security deserve neither but the question is can we deny a little bit of non-essential liberty

00:28:21.600 um to prevent major cataclysmic events give you an example if before 9-11 we had arrested 10 people

00:28:29.320 and prevented 9-11 and four of the people arrested were improperly arrested and spent two months in jail

00:28:35.000 improperly that's probably a trade-off that's worth it

00:28:38.040 what are non-essential liberties

00:28:43.880 well there's a continuum obviously free speech is the most essential uh liberty um privacy is a matter of degree

00:28:53.860 and um you know keeping track of uh people who are here illegally does in some way invade their

00:29:01.820 right of privacy but in a in a small way because they really don't have a right to be there

00:29:06.920 at all liberty is a continuum and we have to make sure that we don't go after fundamental liberties

00:29:13.260 as i think look what could be worse than putting 110 000 japanese americans in camps and denying them

00:29:19.880 their right to earn a living we did that for three years in the supreme court with liberal justices

00:29:25.180 earl warren was the governor of california at the time hugo black was on the supreme court

00:29:29.940 they all agreed with that only a couple of justices justice jackson uh didn't agree with it

00:29:36.680 but americans were outraged at pearl harbor as they were outraged at 9-11 and when you're outraged

00:29:42.240 you don't think uh carefully i know uh and that is that's a little terrifying and just looking at

00:29:50.480 what's coming around the world uh and then seeing the growth of ai and what can be done it it's a little

00:29:58.300 frightening that we will jump immediately to yes we need a super duper patriot act um that yeah no i

00:30:05.940 think that's right we need a super duper patriot act that denies free speech that's the first thing

00:30:10.840 because people hate free speech you know vert the vast majority of americans even though they

00:30:16.540 claim to support the first amendment believe in free speech for me but not for thee i used to when i

00:30:22.280 taught my class on the first amendment i would ask students how many people believe free speech for

00:30:25.900 everybody and everybody would raise their hand and then i would say but what about uh pornography

00:30:29.980 well some hands went down uh what about and then i would do a lot what about anti-semitism some hands

00:30:35.860 would go down what about the bigotry against catholics some hands would go down by the end of

00:30:40.920 the class there were no hands up everybody had an exception you're listening to the best of the

00:30:46.240 glenn beck podcast hear more of this interview and others with the full show podcast available wherever

00:30:51.820 you get podcasts last month the big beautiful bill uh cleared the house by a single vote the senators

00:31:00.500 now have been meeting for weeks behind closed doors um they returned to washington late monday they

00:31:06.820 revised the package um donald trump just tweeted out passing the one big beautiful bill is a historic

00:31:13.180 opportunity to turn our country around uh they need to work as fast as they can to get this bill to my

00:31:18.820 desk before the fourth of july um then you have elon musk saying the massive outrageous pork filled

00:31:25.260 congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination uh shame on those who voted for it you

00:31:30.660 know you did wrong you know it mike johnson then says well that was disappointing with all due respect

00:31:37.400 uh elon musk is my friend and he's terribly wrong about the one big beautiful bill my gosh my head hurts

00:31:43.940 from all of this now the white house is sending an additional nine billion dollars in cuts which is

00:31:49.660 nice but uh you know we were hoping for like you know one trillion dollars in cuts and everybody's

00:31:55.220 arguing over nine billion dollars in in cuts how is this thing gonna even pass what is happening here

00:32:04.940 uh we have chip roy who is who voted for the last one reluctantly uh and i don't know where he stands

00:32:13.060 now chip roy welcome to the program how are you chip glenn how you doing brother i'm good i'm good

00:32:20.580 uh must not be fun being you right now well you know here's the thing when you have a reputation for

00:32:29.180 trying to do the right thing people do i think want to come to you to try to figure out all right like

00:32:33.320 what's the score here what's the real deal i'm proud that i think people see me as someone who

00:32:38.040 tries to be honest and and kind of you know work through this to achieve what you and i i think and

00:32:42.420 all your listeners want to achieve we have an obligation to get this done but we have to get

00:32:47.160 it done right um you said thank you for saying that i voted for it reluctantly because i did reluctantly

00:32:53.220 vote for it my messaging at the time was reluctant right we have to weigh a lot of things right now

00:32:58.120 we have a president who was given a mandate a president that you and i support what he's

00:33:03.160 doing taking on the establishment taking on this town um you know rooting out all this dei and woke 0.91

00:33:09.000 garbage you know pushing the barriers you know securing the border all the things that we know 0.87

00:33:13.940 are happening and we need to do certain things in this bill we do need tax relief we do need to extend 0.96

00:33:20.880 the tax cuts we need economic growth by putting more money in the hands in the pockets of americans

00:33:26.060 those are all important things but we've got to cut spending and the swamp creatures in congress

00:33:31.680 aren't good at that people like may have been beating our head against the wall trying to

00:33:35.580 demonstrate hey here's what we need to do here's how we need to cut so now we got to balance this

00:33:40.060 thing the reason i was reluctant is because it does do some really good things that we bled and fought

00:33:46.060 for for two months glenn i mean the week before last we were like three straight days and going down

00:33:50.880 negotiating with the white house negotiating with folks and what we got was good was it great no

00:33:56.460 it was good we got the inflation reduction act green new scam we got a full repeal of basically

00:34:02.780 all future projects but no we don't deal with the 400 billion of existing projects we got historic

00:34:09.540 medicaid reductions reductions in the increases yes but a trillion dollars worth that's never been

00:34:15.160 done glenn literally but is that good enough for the moment maybe not i think we needed to do better

00:34:20.980 on fmap and provider taxes all the things about the vulnerable versus the able body we got medicaid

00:34:26.260 work requirements moved up from 29 to 26 we fought like hell to make the bill something that i think

00:34:33.000 we could be proud of certain elements but elon's not wrong okay elon's not wrong that for the moment

00:34:39.980 we need to do better we need more spending restraint we need to meet this moment with the actual deficit

00:34:45.960 reduction that is necessary if we get economic growth from the taxes if we get economic growth

00:34:51.940 from the regulatory policy if we get economic growth because the president is strong and leading

00:34:56.400 then we can get out of this mess but it is that plus spending restraint last point i do think it is worth

00:35:03.620 noting that i'm not sure that elon is really excited about the extent to which we are killing the

00:35:10.640 subsidies across the board all future subsidies for evs for solar panels for the wind crap all

00:35:18.420 future subsidies we are mostly killing there's a few lingering projects but we tightened it down the 0.53

00:35:23.580 left is losing their damn mind glenn so there is a little of that that's also at play so that's a

00:35:29.680 long-winded explanation a lot to do we're pushing the senate they need to go further we i think we need 0.99

00:35:34.900 to fix some stuff but i can promise you this glenn if this bill backslides if they walk off of what

00:35:40.980 we got which i don't even think is necessarily good enough i can promise you i will oppose it in the

00:35:46.200 house so we'll see what the senate does your your speculation on what they're going to do

00:35:54.060 are they making it worse right now is it getting better i think there are forces at play

00:36:00.840 that are desperately trying to undo the benefits we got with respect to repealing the green new scam

00:36:08.900 subsidies which by the way the president of the united states campaigned fully and clearly on

00:36:14.380 terminating the green new scam subsidies there are forces in the senate who want to undo that

00:36:19.520 there are forces in the house who regret voting for those subsidy terminations um i think there are

00:36:26.040 forces in the senate who uh are wary of some of our medicaid reforms which were important on work

00:36:33.140 requirements on eligibility to tighten down and make sure that you know we're trying to make sure

00:36:37.980 the the able-bodied aren't getting benefits etc um i don't think it went far enough so we're going to

00:36:43.560 have to work hard just to hold the line at the house bill which glenn i would say is on the edge

00:36:50.460 of whether it's good enough to merit moving forward and then hope we get three yards in a cloud of dust

00:36:55.680 i will tell you that if we can repeal the ira subsidies get the medicaid reforms constrain

00:37:01.700 the spending and get the economic growth in the tax policy that net it is moving the ball down the

00:37:07.300 field that's why i held my nose but if we were a truly conservative congress we would cut more

00:37:12.900 that's just the truth so i read all kinds of things from the banking sector that uh we're talking

00:37:22.520 about our treasury bills that we are we are so dangerously close you raise the debt ceiling yet

00:37:29.400 again we are dangerously close to the rest of the world saying i can't buy their debt anymore i mean

00:37:35.480 they're not serious about anything do you believe we're that close

00:37:39.820 that this might be we're in a very yeah i believe we're on a knife's edge i think that the bond markets

00:37:46.740 are signaling that i think this is why scott besant has been saying we need to get deficits down as

00:37:52.260 a percentage of gdp so we can signal to the bond markets what needs to be signaled i think that we

00:37:58.020 have an obligation to get this right uh right now in order to frankly why is why isn't anybody listening

00:38:05.220 to that why isn't anybody listening to to to besant and to the bond market that that that's lights out for

00:38:12.260 america if we don't get that right yeah and let me give you another uh scary point right if we are

00:38:19.020 having to refinance our debts at higher interest rates which currently we would be projecting much

00:38:25.300 higher interest rates than the cbo is even projecting putting aside the cbo we all recognize that they're

00:38:29.980 flawed doesn't matter you got to just look at the model that's in front of you the current model projects

00:38:34.760 refinancing that debt at three and a half percent but what if we have to refinance it at the historic

00:38:39.260 levels of four four and a half five percent right we would have massively more interest expense instead

00:38:45.820 of a trillion it'd be a trillion and a half instead of a trillion have to be two trillion we are going

00:38:50.160 to gobble up our entire government expenditure with interest i mean glenn it is that bad and here's the

00:38:57.580 problem is congress finally waking up to what you and i and the freedom caucus conservatives have been

00:39:03.520 saying now for a decade plus yes they're realizing that we're in a real bad spot so all that's doing

00:39:10.080 is getting them to come to the table to do the bare minimum right the medicaid reforms the inflation

00:39:16.480 reduction act subsidies the food stamp reforms the other things we just put in this bill all of which

00:39:21.940 are good but not as far as i would go i'm just be clear for your listeners they're finally getting to

00:39:27.920 the table to accept that and they're getting there too late so now what i'm saying is we need to be

00:39:32.540 doing more let's talk about the rescissions for a second the president is sending up rescissions

00:39:37.200 and yes it's just nine billion the reason it's that small amount and so everybody listening out there

00:39:42.640 why why does this matter the reconciliation package can pass the senate with 51 votes

00:39:47.860 the normal appropriations process which we still have to do this year will require 60 votes in the senate

00:39:54.620 right so that means it's going to be hard to get through democrats so this rescissions process is a

00:40:00.480 way to try to cut some of these ridiculous programs like usa id and other things um using a 51 vote

00:40:08.280 threshold so that is why we're trying to move it that way the reason it's just a smaller nine billion

00:40:15.740 dollar number is it's a test case will congress do its job and do this first down payment a nine billion

00:40:23.720 dollar rescission of pbs npr and a bunch of those usa id foreign uh government funding uh foreign aid

00:40:33.260 uh wasteful program and now we'll see i'll of course vote for that you know i will you don't have to so

00:40:38.880 but will the moderates we'll find out if they do we'll get another rescissions package sent up right

00:40:44.480 after that so this is all part of the process working with russ vote the omb the president so i don't

00:40:49.540 mean to filibuster but that's the that's the update jib speak about the process a little bit because i

00:40:54.000 it's fascinating to watch this bill try to make its way through all of this like for my at least my

00:41:00.100 estimate so far or my understanding is there's at least two congress congressmen who who and one

00:41:05.400 congresswoman i suppose who uh already have said that their vote was a yes but now it would be a no

00:41:13.280 because they didn't realize what they were voting for which would already put you under the amount that

00:41:18.600 you need to get it passed this the salt people in the house are saying if you get rid of salt we're

00:41:23.760 done yeah and the senate is saying we're getting rid of salt or at least adjusting it how does this

00:41:29.080 thing get across the finish line well i mean like everything else you got to figure out how you

00:41:34.360 navigate to get 218 and to get 51 um we've managed to get it to this far uh look you go to war with army

00:41:41.260 you got right we have the congress that we have we have the president that we have who's trying to get

00:41:45.880 this done and we're trying to work to do it i think we're in the zip code but we're not where

00:41:50.220 we need to be so let's take the things you just you gave some examples are there things in the bill

00:41:55.020 that some of us knew about and were warning about that others are now just kind of waking up and 0.92

00:41:59.780 seeing yes right at the time i said for example there's a car tax in this bill you fools i don't i don't 0.66

00:42:08.120 support it it was a tax to make up for the fact that evs and hybrids can't you know pay their fair 1.00

00:42:14.240 share of the gas tax they needed 40 billion dollars to pay for some coast guard and other

00:42:19.340 stuff so how did they pay for it in the committee what they did was they added a car tax for evs and

00:42:26.740 for hybrids now do you think that we conservatives of limited government uh uh you know views believe

00:42:34.060 we should have a car tax i sure as hell though um how about the ai restrictions should we prohibit florida

00:42:42.160 and should we prohibit texas from being able to have some sort of regulation on ai from a federalism

00:42:48.180 standpoint i'm not sure we should right so there's lots of things in this bill that i knew all this

00:42:52.940 was telling people about it but man there's only like 40 fights you can pick my fight was you're going 0.83

00:42:59.460 to repeal these these damned subsidies uh on the inflation reduction act that are killing our grid 0.95

00:43:05.020 undermining our national security and destroying natural gas and nuclear energy options 0.97

00:43:10.260 my fight was trying to get medicaid held down about 20 other fights for example the car tax

00:43:15.640 scott perry and i and a couple of others we at least killed the tax on the internal combustion

00:43:20.200 engines they were going to have a car tax on every car in america y'all so look we're fighting everything

00:43:26.120 we got coming at us there are things that need to get fixed to answer your question if they need to

00:43:32.200 adjust salt i might try to call the bluff of the guys in the salt caucus and say really you're going to

00:43:37.680 vote this down because you didn't get more subsidies for your great big blue state tax

00:43:41.720 jurisdictions right but if they want to try to call our bluff i can tell you if they repeal back

00:43:46.040 the inflation reduction act stuff which the president campaigned on then that's going to be a real

00:43:51.880 problem so we will see it is a fine line and i'm trying to work with leadership the white house to

00:43:59.240 deliver as close to my values as i can and be able to look in the mirror and say that i did enough

00:44:05.440 and i'm not sure gentlemen i'm sure i'm always trying to shoot straight we're walking a line

00:44:10.000 it could easily peel off and i can't support it it could move in the right direction and i'll support

00:44:14.400 it and say let's go fight tomorrow for the next thing i'm trying to work in good faith with the

00:44:18.940 president and his team to deliver there's a lot of good things in this bill let's remember that

00:44:23.440 a trillion dollars of real medicaid reforms we've never done that before guys ever

00:44:28.040 right the inflation reduction act planned parenthood not funded trans surgeries repealed for adults and kids

00:44:35.300 to defund that with their left have gone so far we're peeling a lot of that back so let's remember

00:44:41.060 the good stuff while we're trying to you know highlight some of our concerns

00:44:45.340 chip i you're very reasoned and um i really appreciate talking to you and i really am so

00:44:52.640 glad that you are representing the great state of texas um you're a guy that at least i feel i can trust

00:44:58.680 i you know you say what you mean and you mean what you say and that is the number one thing i i look for

00:45:04.000 and a representative is somebody who will say the same thing to me to my face as they will behind

00:45:09.000 closed doors and i really appreciate all your hard work on this thanks jib hey i please appreciate

00:45:14.580 glenn and thank you for exposing all this to the american people and being truthful about it like

00:45:18.300 because this is hard for people like us because you you want to be with the team to move the ball

00:45:22.580 down the field we want to succeed we want to win but you also don't want to be you don't want to eat a

00:45:27.000 crap sandwich so i look i promise you i will level set the good and the bad and the ugly and

00:45:32.780 then you just have to decide what's the best for the country and vote and move forward so 0.98

00:45:36.440 that's where we are next time it starts to move forward you just you call in and and you let us

00:45:41.880 know what's in it okay just make sure you get a hold of me as soon as you start to see things

00:45:45.180 moving forward you let us know uh because i'd appreciate your point of view on that thanks jib

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