Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Alan Dershowitz & Robert Roos ｜ 6⧸21⧸23
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Rob Rose is a member of the european parliament. He knows his business on food, energy, and everything else that is going on in the world that needs to be talked about, and he does it in a frank interview with Alan Dershowitz.
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all right today's podcast uh there's a lot a lot to learn first hour we take you through history
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and compare then and now what are the seeds that we're seeing not only planted but beginning to
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bear fruit that not really good not really good don't eat the fruit don't eat the fruit i think
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somebody else said that oh yeah it was god don't eat the fruit unfortunately they went on and did
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uh the uh the next uh the next hour is a fascinating hour with a guy from the netherlands
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sweden czechoslovakia i don't know finland he's from norway and i don't know what that contains
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it's from no he's not from nor just say it's from overseas oh yeah the netherlands the netherlands
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that's where he's from i thought you were kidding you don't really really don't remember where he's
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yeah no i i really i know he's in the general cold region that everybody avoids uh anyway so he
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was on he's an outspoken eu member of parliament who is he knows his business on food on energy and
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everything else that is uh going on in the world uh he's got quite a warning and a plea as well to
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americans and then we take on the donald trump case and we look at both sides or at least we
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thought somebody who is very strong uh for the case on donald trump saying no it's no big deal and we
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thought somebody because we listened to the media was saying no this one is serious this one is really
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could do some damage and he might go to jail alan dershowitz we find out in this interview that's
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not what he said and he addresses that it's a very frank interview with alan dershowitz all on
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rob rose is a member of the european parliament uh he is dutch and he is with us now and we were
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just talking off the air a little bit about your history tell me you what what did you do before
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you got into politics i was an entrepreneur i um i found it um i found it a couple of companies
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i bought companies i merged them and in 2016 i sold most of my companies and uh well that was at the
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moment i was no it was starting earlier um i thought it's not going very well in in the netherlands
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yeah with uh with our politicians and the way we are heading with the you have the new green deal
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we have the green deal um i had an engineering i'm i'm an electrical engineer that's my background
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and i had an engineering company in uh in in energy so i i know pretty much about that and um
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and also in telecom but in 2016 i sold the most of it and well i had some extra time by then and i
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well i started helping a new political party in the netherlands and um yeah i ended up you weren't
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you weren't a member of any party oh i i sponsored them but i was not even um i didn't become a member
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of that party because there was a very intelligent young guy and he was very enthusiastic and i said
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i'm so happy that uh someone is uh picking up the the glass to to do this and um well but but but to
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make a long story uh short i uh i ended up in in in the european parliament and it's incredible what
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i see there it's all about um it's all about gender it's all about climate and um i i thought that
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politics was uh meant to be to make people's lives better and not more expensive and more complicated
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i am uh amazed that people all over the world have put up with what they have already gone through
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um we are being told to disregard what we see disregard common sense scientific method um
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none of it makes any sense and yet we're still kind of taking it yeah you seeing a difference in
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no no no i i i see exactly the same and that's why i'm here in the united states to to create
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um an alliance because it's it's our western way of life is in danger um and i i in the european
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parliament i'm um the vice president of the the european conservatives and reformists and that's one
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of the groups in uh but it's it's common sense i it's what president trump said it's call me
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a conservative call me a classic liberal for me it's just common sense and i have exactly the same
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there is no common sense anymore there what they are doing is
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we're heading um in a certain direction and that certain direction that means that democracy is moving
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away from people it's it's all top down that um the things are coming in like agenda 2030
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uh this gender policy uh also this this climate policy hang on just a second do you have your
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phone on you yes can we remove it from the studio yeah or turn it off it's just creating a little
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interference okay go ahead um yeah sorry about that no no so um no democracy is moving away from from
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the people it's um it's not what people ask for and it's all top down for example agenda 2030 i was um
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um i was one of the negotiators on that file in in the european parliament and it it was welcomed by
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most of all my colleagues and it's uh with a bigger plus but if you look at this 17 sustainable
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development goals it's not helping the people for example um zero hunger uh no poverty
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um it's not possible well it's it is possible but i'm i'm from the netherlands and we have
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um the netherlands is 16 times smaller than texas we are a very tiny country right but we are and i
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will say you're a wonderful country yes and i love the way you look at things and the system works for
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you but you're not the united states of america you we are the most diverse society ever yes and
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now with the diversity that is coming into the netherlands it's getting dicey isn't it yes we have
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a lot of we have a lot of the same problems yeah um but but but making my point about this uh zero hunger
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yeah um we we are the second largest food producer of the world after the united states
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i know i didn't know that until recently that is astounding and but but now they want to get
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rid of 50 of the cuddle um our government because we have a nitrogen problem uh-huh it's it's it's too
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stupid to explain because i if i if i tell the story you cannot believe it but um also we get
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they have to get rid of three thousand of our farmers but if you want zero hunger you have to
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produce food you have to produce food we need more farmers correct and but but our farmers are very
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very efficient and uh also uh yes huge innovation and they are doing so well so it doesn't make sense
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if you want because if you look they say we have to save the planet but you we have to produce that
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food somewhere else so winner they yeah i mean i don't know if they've noticed this but a lot of
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people live where you can't grow food that's the point i mean and so when you talk about in one of
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the sustainable uh uh uh ideas is to get rid of shipping get rid of shipping yes yes where are the
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people that live in the actual food deserts going to get their food yeah and if you're the second
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largest producer because they are putting the they're just grinding the farmer here in america
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and the rancher into the ground exactly the same but you guys are ahead yes you guys are ahead we are
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the first and uh but we see this also have you seen that in in ireland they do 60 000 cows they have to
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get rid of and it's also happening in france and in spain already and i had a uh very wonderful
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discussion with commissioner uh sit miller and he said it's it's it's also happening now in the united
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states he had an example of um of a family they had a farm for for centuries generation on generation
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uh 17 000 acres and they had a problem with the fence and um
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so they tried to um to repair it but there was still one nail not not right so they took off this
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17 000 acres of this farmer uh here in the united states also and so they they they they're making
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it impossible yes but it's also with the climate the climate policy we have we have created our own
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energy problems in 2010 europe was energy exporting like the united states was energy exporting on the
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president trump now we depend on let's call them uh not the most uh friendly and reliable and freedom
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loving that's that's the point yeah so it we we we can produce our own energy very easily but we make
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ourselves depend on so russian what is it going to take for people in your country in our country
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to wake up to this well this is the problem um for me it's the fight for freedom that's that's why i
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went into politics and what i discovered is uh this fight for freedom is not for um scary people
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you have to speak out and but the most of the people are are captured in the system that's what i call
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it they can lose the job they they need a job because they need an income to to to uh yeah to
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to to survive to live and when you speak out that was also during covid um whatever you think about
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that but these restrictions were ridiculous but but people kept silence even the people in my own
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political part said rob you don't you should not speak about this because we have there is no
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uh political uh political advantage in doing that i said what but but you called yourself a
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classical liberal and you're not fighting for freedom yeah so what are you doing here correct
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classical um classical liberalism is really truly i think what could unite all of us yes again um but
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it's it's a little frightening um to be in the same position that the world has been in before i mean
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china said hey we're gonna farm everything differently and that was what 11 million deaths
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or is that was that 20 million deaths in their five-year plan yes uh then you had uh russia do the
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same killing millions but they knew better and they'd replace the farmers yes we're doing all of these
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things over and over again when these things have happened in the past in the united states but i
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think we're different now and not in a good way um the united states always had the bill of rights and
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so we had an understanding of what we were fighting for we weren't fighting for freedom we were fighting
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for universal rights that were clearly spelled out and opportunity to be who we want to be and pursue our
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our own happiness in europe you don't have you your left and right can be uh fascism and communism and the same
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people try to just play in the in the middle there a little bit you keep both of those things away um what does it
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mean to be a conservative in europe because i'm afraid of nationalism and fascism rearing its ugly head again
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here in my country but also in europe yeah it's it's i think we have a lot of things in in in common
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uh we have a shared past and i also believe that we have a shared future we because the western
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society in 1950 we were 30 of of the population on this planet now we are only 14 so uh the western
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society is shrinking and we have of course external threat you meant china already but um the i think
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the most important threat is is our cultural war and you you name it left and right but i call it let's
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say the the globalist and the sovereignist i agree and um the the the the fight to to yeah i call it a
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fight for freedom because what we see is um free speech is under attack the fight of disinformation i i'm
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i'm doing a lot of legislation i'm in the environmental committee and i mean i mean also in the energy
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committee and um we see the central bank digital currency is coming up um the the the digital identity
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if you combine those two you have a perfect way to control people okay will you explain that i think
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this audience for the most part understands that but a lot don't and i think it was only 25 i saw a poll
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only 25 percent even know what a cbdc is and they confuse it with bitcoin it is absolutely not bitcoin so
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let me take a one minute break and then we'll come back and have you explain what you just said what
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does that mean this is the best of the glenbeck program and don't forget rate us on itunes we're
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with rob rose he is a member of the european parliament from the netherlands uh so explain
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to somebody who really doesn't understand what cbdc is and how it will control every aspect of your life
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i i can explain it in a very simple way it's not money it's it's a it's a coupon it's a what a
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coupon a coupon it's a coupon and you can if wait wait explain that yes i will explain that okay it's
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a coupon um because they can if if it's programmable and that's the discussion now it is they can say
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okay we put your money on the central bank digital currency and you can use that money in that time
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of period and you can spend it on that and that and that item so you boy this is a brilliant way to
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explain it i never heard anybody say that it's a coupon which at the bottom of the coupon it always
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says some restrictions do apply expires at this date yes that's how you get you can't you then there's
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no way to withdraw from the system can you imagine that um we had this um um this problem in in europe
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with uh this switch bank but also here in the united states with um svb yes and of course there if
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if things getting out of hand and there is a bank run then uh horrible things get nasty yeah but
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if you have a central bank digital currency it's not a problem anymore because you switch off the
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system no one can do anything correct and they are in complete control you know what's crazy is
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i've said this i don't know if you know who ray kurzweil is but he is um a guy i've read for
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decades he's a futurist and he's part of uh uh this transhumanism kind of oh yes yes yes um and
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he was talking to me about this is 15 years ago about the things that were coming and how we're going
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to be able to implant things and you're going to have the two-way committee all of it's horrible
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and i said ray if you are keeping me alive by the things that i'm transmitting and you're putting into
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me um what happens if i fall out of favor and you just turn me off his response was oh we would never
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do that yes i didn't feel comfortable with that and uh amazon just shut down here in america's
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somebody's smart home just shut them down for a week because the an amazon deliverer said that they
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had made a racist comment which the tape shows didn't happen but amazon didn't even call they just
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shut them down you're no longer a part of this no if they say we should never uh no we should not
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we will never do that it's our system is not based on trust our system is based on checks and
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balances and oversight so um we if and if you look at history we can learn right thank you the best
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of the glenn beck program welcome to the glenn beck program so when when trump was indicted last week
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uh i was on vacation and i was not paying attention in the news and i mentioned it on monday when i came
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back but i told you i i wanted to really get the best minds on both sides um and talk to them and
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because there's there's people who like have defended trump and may like trump but one of those
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who i think is very credible on this because he has defended trump time and time and time and time
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again written books about it um now says this is real trouble and his his name is alan dershowitz uh
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so i just had this is no big deal we can win this uh and he says there's real trouble so let's get
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the real trouble side uh now from alan dershowitz hi alan how are you hey how are you uh there's real
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trouble but that doesn't mean that it can't be won this is a very very serious charge you know in my
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book get trump i predicted all of this i also predicted the indictment of hunter biden on minimal
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charges in order to demonstrate the the claim that there's equal justice but the problem with
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donald trump is illustrated by that plaque that some people have in their homes with a stuffed fish on
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it that says if i had only kept my mouth shut i'd still be swimming all of trump's problems come from
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his own statements what he said the most serious one is what he said to a writer who was writing a book
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on meadows in which he allegedly showed him some classified material he says it wasn't he said
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it's just newspapers you hear on the tape apparently rustling and i don't know what the facts are but and
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saying i could have declassified this but i didn't so it's still secret that seems like the government
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will use it as an admission that he didn't declassify everything if he hadn't said that his claim of
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declassification would be very strong then he spoke to his lawyers now i don't think those statements
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should ever be admissible those are lawyer client privilege statements i was aware i would be
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fighting like hell to keep those out because i can't talk to my clients anymore as a result of
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that ruling so it's a way with clients so i i watched enough perry mason and i know that's not
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actual law but if you break the bond of uh attorney client privilege you sometimes you're working
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with a dummy like me and i'm like i don't know what happens if we don't give him to them well i'm
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asking for your legal opinion what if you tell it to a priest what if you say to a priest um you know
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i know this would be a sin but i'm thinking perhaps maybe of not giving it over and the priest says no you
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must give it over or you talk to your doctor um all these privileges are now at risk as a result of
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this terrible decision made by judges who are handpicked by the special prosecutor remember the
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cases in florida but this special prosecutor brought these legal motions to compel the lawyers to speak
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in dc where he knew he'd get a more favorable court so he was judge shopping and then he got his
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favorable rulings and then he takes the case to florida wow and i would hope florida court would
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look at that in a very very critical light because as i say i have to tell my clients now don't ask me
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any questions because i may have to disclose them i'm not taking notes anymore with clients i'm not
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turning over anything that my my clients tell me in confidence just because some court says you know
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and then there's this absurd thing of a tainting where if you say something's lawyer client privilege
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the government says all right we'll pick some government lawyers who have lunch every day with
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the prosecutors and who stand next to them in the urinal every day and we will allow them to look at
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the lawyer client privilege material read them and oh they promise they won't with a week or not say
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anything to the prosecution that's what's happening now and judge cannon had the courage to write a
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decision saying no she was going to appoint an independent judge a former judge a great judge
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in new york to look over the lawyer client classified materials in the court said no no no no that's
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special treatment for trump no that's what everybody should get so the crime uh the crime fraud exception
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to attorney client privilege you don't buy into that here i buy into it in general but i have to tell you
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i've done 250 cases involving criminal defendants i would say in half of them the conversation
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included some reference to maybe if i went to brazil i couldn't get caught no you can't do that you'll
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get caught but you know the client raises all kinds of questions that's what that's why it's confidential
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correct it's the same as the anything they want it's isn't it the same reason why we have the
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confidential confidentiality when when you're talking to the president in the oval and you're
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brainstorming people don't want to say things that maybe are unpopular or will say things that are maybe
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crazy in in hindsight but you're brainstorming i don't want that on the record i want to be able
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to have a private conversation if you can't have that you don't really have anything no i agree with
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you look when i taught at harvard for 50 years i would say to my students what you say in this class
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is confidential and you can be as speculative as you want uh you can say any wild thing about criminal
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law you can make statements that you would be ashamed to have made public this is for a socratic
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discussion and in socratic discussions anything goes the indictment doesn't ever mention the
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presidential records act um or or the word espionage or the word espionage that's being thrown around
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all over the place yeah so so so so where is i mean because i have gathered uh from what i've read from
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you that this serious charge and he's going to have a hard time why it it sounds like there's a lot of
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other legal issues to really go after there are and that's why it's not a slam dunk case that's why
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the case should never have been brought i said that you don't bring a case against the man forget about
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former president you don't bring a case against the man who's running to become the president against
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the incumbent head of your party unless you have a slam dunk case now i think they have a case but it's
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not a slam dunk case there are these legal issues involving lawyer client privilege the government
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doesn't have the piece of paper that was waived allegedly in front of this writer so they have
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a hard time proving that they have to deal with the classification issue it's a winnable case but it's
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also a losable case whereas the case in new york is absurd case in new york the the prosecutor should
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be disciplined for bringing it in in 60 years of this doing this business i've never seen a weaker
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indictment than new york i cannot say that about the florida case that doesn't mean it's going to end up
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with trump being convicted particularly since the trial is in a fair district unlike manhattan
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i love manhattan i live in manhattan but you can't get a fair trial with donald trump in manhattan
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maybe you can in palm beach county okay so so let me let me take you through the crazy scenario that
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uh he goes to trial in the middle of an election season right he's convicted sentence what does this
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look like we've never that we didn't do this with nixon we've never done this before
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what what does this look like we'll never do it again nobody knows what it looks like the only
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thing we know for sure is he can run for president even if he's in prison um eugene v debs ran for
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president when he was in prison curly became mayor of boston while he was in prison the constitution
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specifies only several criteria and the constitution means what it says so you can run um you can even
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serve as president while in prison that's not going to happen judge is not going to sentence him to
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prison for these crimes uh these crimes did not endanger national security they are not espionage
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the media is throwing around the term espionage the first thing that has to happen is this trial must be
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on television we the american people do not trust the media to tell us the truth about the trial
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if you watch msnbc and cnn and read the new york times you're going to think it's an open and
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shut case of guilt and if you see other networks you're going to see it's an open and shut case of
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innocence you know i was a lawyer in the oj simpson case there was a poll that showed that people who
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actually watched the trial on television were not surprised at the verdict but people who read about
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it in the newspapers were shocked beyond belief so we have to be able to see this trial and the word
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espionage should not be allowed to be used in the trial by the prosecutor and if he does use it there
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should be a mistrial with prejudice why is this why is espionage where did they even get that
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it's the name of the statute it's as if congress passed the statute entitled the child molestation
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and insider trading act and they indict somebody for insider trading and they go in front of the jury
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and say this man has been indicted under the child molestation wow the name of the statute it was passed
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in 1917 to go after war resistors mostly religious people who had a conscientious objection about going
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to the first world war and woodrow wilson passed the espionage act which had very little to do with
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espionage it had mostly to do with dissent and whistleblowing and all of the whistleblowers uh have
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been indicted under the espionage act i've defended many anti-war protesters and other dissenters under the
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espionage act and the government loves to use the word espionage but there's no allegation here that
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alan went to foreign enemies real quick i've only got about two minutes uh we're talking to alan
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dershowitz host of the dershow it's podcast it's great also the author of get trump um tell me your
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thoughts on uh on hunter biden and what what's just happened what's happened is we don't know if he
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just did the three things he was indicted for then it's a fair plea bargain most people who
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are late in their taxes don't even get indicted i do think that uh filing a gun license application
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if you're a cocaine addict and not disclosing that is actually a more serious crime but that's a fair
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result but what about what he wasn't indicted for what about the investigations that are going on
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about barisma about those alleged 17 tape recordings including two with the president
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what about uh the uh uh other information that we have the laptop a laptop top we don't have anything
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about that and therefore i think there's a special obligation on this prosecutor to issue a report
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he has to issue a report to garland but then garland should make it public so we should know whether
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there was an adequate investigation from what he was charged with the sentencing seems correct but
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if there was information that we don't know about that would incriminate on these other things why
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would this thing take four years four years i can't imagine the resources that they spent
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for misdemeanors well the only explanation is that they did look into barisma they did look into the
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laptop and they found nothing and they found nothing but i want to know that i want to
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see that with my own eyes i don't want to read that in the new york times or msnbc or cnn i don't
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believe them i want to see it with my own eyes i want to hear that tape with my own ears and i want
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to see the trial of donald trump on television so i can make a judgment you can make a judgment
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for ourselves we will believe our eyes not what we read in the paper i will tell you that you are a
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great example of that just now i had a different opinion of what you had said on donald trump than
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i do walking away of course my wife had the same thing my wife came to me and said oh my god did you
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see what they say you said about donald trump i said that's the headline read the read the article
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read the actual quotes and she reads the actual quote and said oh my god you didn't say anything like
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that unbelievable cnn did that to me they doctored a tape of what i said on the floor of the senate
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and made me say which i didn't say that a president could commit murder and not be impeached they just
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doctored a tape and the times believed it and other newspapers believed it now there's a lawsuit
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so you've got to see it with your own eyes more today than ever before alan dershowitz thank you very
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much sir my pleasure thank you always great to have you on uh our sponsor this half hour is lifelock
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is that what you thought his opinion was no no i think you you nailed it it's been the summaries
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have not been accurate it's like wait what hang on uh anyway what he just said seems reasonable seems
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