Best of the Program | Guests: Alan Dershowitz & Ross Douthat | 2⧸13⧸25
Episode Stats
Words per Minute
161.76888
Summary
There is a massive move happening in the gold market that nobody really understands. Is it our Fed or the Treasury buying up a lot of gold? And what could be the reason for that? We explore that in hour one of our podcast. Also, Alan Dershowitz on should everything be released? The radical transparency on all of these scandals. And Ross Douthat's new book on faith. Why it's easier and better to believe there is a God than there isn't.
Transcript
00:00:00.000
This winter, take a trip to Tampa on Porter Airlines.
00:00:05.460
Enjoy the warm Tampa Bay temperatures and warm Porter hospitality on your way there.
00:00:11.420
All Porter fares include beer, wine, and snacks and free, fast-streaming Wi-Fi on planes with no middle seats.
00:00:18.860
And your Tampa Bay vacation includes good times, relaxation, and great Gulf Coast weather.
00:00:25.240
Visit flyporter.com and actually enjoy economy.
00:00:30.000
Hey, on today's podcast, there is a massive move happening in the gold market that nobody really even understands what's happening.
00:00:37.420
But it looks like somebody is buying up enormous amounts of gold.
00:00:42.220
Is it our Fed or the Treasury buying up a lot of gold?
00:00:47.640
We explore that in hour number one of our podcast.
00:00:51.640
Also, Alan Dershowitz on should everything be released?
00:00:56.420
The radical transparency on all of these scandals?
00:01:06.420
Why it's easier and better to believe there is a God than there isn't.
00:01:13.920
The best way I know to have real peace of mind is always be prepared for the worst while hoping for the best.
00:01:23.340
You won't believe the burden on your shoulders, especially if you're a dad.
00:01:29.040
You know, that burden of making sure your family is taken care of is heavy sometimes.
00:01:33.640
If there's something wrong, you need to make sure that everybody has food to eat.
00:01:38.820
My Patriot Supply is America's most trusted name in emergency preparedness.
00:01:42.960
And right now, they're offering a limited-time discount on their supersized Mega 3-Month Emergency Food Kit.
00:01:55.440
It will survive in storage for 25 years and still taste great, like a home-cooked meal should.
00:02:01.040
Your Mega Emergency Food Kit includes free shipping, a disaster replacement warranty, and 24-7 U.S.-based support.
00:02:14.220
Secure your family's future with $250 discount now.
00:02:18.180
If you order by 3 p.m. today, they're going to ship your order within the same day.
00:02:31.040
You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.
00:02:44.380
There is a great thread from Matt Smith that I retweeted last night.
00:02:59.040
What the average person is going to be talking about is, my groceries are going up.
00:03:08.500
That is from all of the lies that the media was telling you that things were strong and it's getting better and yada yada.
00:03:16.540
Those numbers and all of that stuff were garbage.
00:03:33.740
These two things have to happen in a coordinated fashion.
00:03:40.240
Because remember, most of our GDP, a lot of our GDP, is coming from the government.
00:03:52.940
So if you cut, our GDP goes down, which means all kinds of numbers start to fluctuate from interest rates and everything else.
00:04:03.080
So we want a growing GDP, which means we have to grow real wealth.
00:04:15.300
And the one guy that I think can do it is Donald Trump.
00:04:19.680
But there's a tweet that caught my eye yesterday because it starts with gold.
00:04:27.320
There's something going on with gold and nobody really knows what it is.
00:04:30.800
Somebody here in the United States is buying a crap load of gold.
00:04:36.760
We think, I hope, it's the Treasury or the Central Bank, the Fed.
00:04:43.860
But somebody is taking huge physical deliveries and it's causing shortages in London where they buy and sell gold.
00:04:54.280
There are shortages now of gold because somebody is buying it and shipping it here.
00:05:14.500
The government right now claims on its balance sheet as an asset all of this gold.
00:05:25.760
In case you haven't heard, it's $2,900 an ounce.
00:05:30.240
So they're talking now about boosting the price of gold, at least market to market, but maybe even making it $5,000 an ounce.
00:05:40.500
If that happens, the balance sheet starts to fall into line and our debt to GDP is not as bad as it really is right now.
00:05:51.800
Just start claiming the truth about gold and our balance sheet starts to come into line.
00:05:58.560
Start taking our minerals, start taking our oil and claiming those as assets and putting those on the balance sheet, which we can do.
00:06:08.400
And it's not a bad idea unless we lose in the end because then we lose all of our assets, our natural assets.
00:06:18.720
This helps strengthen the United States because we're coming to a place where we're not going to be able to finance the debt.
00:06:27.520
Who wants to write the United States a new long-term loan at less than really market value?
00:06:38.100
And market value, I mean, you know, if you walked into a bank and you had the credit report that the United States of America has, what do you think the bank is going to charge you an interest?
00:06:56.660
Now, they might write you a check if you have all of this stuff on your balance sheet, okay?
00:07:04.800
They're trying to reshore up our balance sheet, make ourselves healthier than we are because we're at the end of the dollar.
00:07:23.160
It's why tariffs are being, you know, brought in.
00:07:27.720
It's to force others to start to see the sorry situation they're in.
00:07:37.920
I mean, Europe, if this deal with Ukraine goes through, which, by the way, yesterday had a great, a perfect phone call with Putin, and it did go really, really well.
00:07:51.060
And Donald Trump is saying, yeah, you know, we might have to have the resources from you.
00:07:58.200
We might, we want your rare earth minerals because of what we've already given you.
00:08:04.460
He's doing that as a negotiating tactic with everybody.
00:08:09.560
And he's putting on notice, the European Union, we're not in this anymore.
00:08:22.420
And we're not going to guarantee its protection.
00:08:26.940
They're talking $3 trillion to be able to rebuild and protect.
00:08:39.860
So he's putting everybody in the same situation.
00:08:49.760
It will punish the average person because of tariffs and everything else.
00:08:53.620
If they're not done exactly right, it'll punish with higher prices.
00:09:00.620
However, he's betting that wages will also rise because he's forcing people to keep their profits here and make jobs here.
00:09:12.700
If everything goes right, what the trade on gold is showing us is that we may be going towards a gold-backed financial system or a gold-backed currency of some sort.
00:09:40.160
So if what do you do as a regular person, you need to understand that the dollar could be by design being collapsed.
00:09:51.160
That's exactly what the Biden administration was doing, collapsing the dollar.
00:09:55.860
But they didn't have a plan to replace it other than a digital dollar and global slavery.
00:10:01.940
I'm not sure what the plan is here, but it seems much more American-centric, good for America, and eventually good for the rest of the world.
00:10:13.280
And it doesn't look like it is taking freedom away from people, but we have to watch it.
00:10:20.140
The situation with the situation with the economy is really dire.
00:10:28.100
What we have is one of the best mechanics who have hired the rest of the best mechanics to come in, put up the hood, and say,
00:10:45.980
We don't know what direction, but a huge sign that something big is coming is the amount of gold that is being purchased.
00:10:56.140
And the key here that you have to understand, shortages in London, gold flowing into the U.S. at record levels, somebody with deep pockets, this is what Matt Smith, is scooping up gold.
00:11:10.500
They're reshoring gold that might have been leased out.
00:11:18.020
That the United States is buying all this gold.
00:11:21.860
Because they're reshoring the gold that might have been leased out.
00:11:31.260
That's just the word away from the word that I said.
00:11:36.180
If you see rehypothecation begin to be bantered around, look out.
00:11:41.660
What rehypothecation is, is we've taken one asset and we've counted it on several different accounting books.
00:11:52.660
So we counted it the United States, but also we've leased this gold out to Germany.
00:11:59.080
So Germany could get more money based on their gold.
00:12:02.300
But their gold is our gold, and our gold is England's gold.
00:12:07.940
So that's how dire this is, is we're beginning to enter the world of rehypothecation, which means no one owns anything.
00:12:19.600
Because your house, you say, well, I got my loan through Citibank.
00:12:25.880
But Citibank has used rehypothecation to put that on their balance sheet as that's their house.
00:12:37.440
But they sold it in a package to eight different banks, and they're all counting that house, yours, as an asset.
00:12:47.140
So when they all start to go down, they all say, well, we've got all these assets.
00:13:04.640
This is such a Ponzi scheme where, you know what this is?
00:13:11.260
Do you ever see the movie or the stage show, Mel Brooks, The Producers?
00:13:17.720
Because they were selling over 100% of the play.
00:13:26.800
All thinking that it's not, that that particular show wouldn't make any money.
00:13:36.700
So it will close, and nobody's going to audit and say, wait a minute, you sold 100%.
00:13:46.560
But if it's a success, they now have to pay 100% of the proceeds to 14 different people.
00:13:59.200
They have sold 100% of your house, or in this case, the gold, to several different people.
00:14:11.020
When everybody says, I'm in trouble, I want my money back.
00:14:17.960
I mean, it just seems like the type of thing that it's almost impossible to unwind, right?
00:14:29.560
Or do you just protect yourself and your family?
00:14:32.240
For you, you make sure that if your house is paid for, if you have anything paid for, you have the title.
00:14:40.300
You know where the title is, you have the title, okay?
00:14:44.420
So you're not in as bad of shape if you own things.
00:14:56.600
It's really good if you're buying a house to make sure that that loan is staying local,
00:15:02.840
that they're not reselling that loan, that it's staying with one bank,
00:15:08.280
and it's not being sold in, you know, what were those called?
00:15:17.500
That it's not being sold like that because that's what causes the problem.
00:15:31.700
especially if they are going to start counting that on the balance sheet.
00:15:35.880
If they change the price of gold from $45 to $4,500,
00:15:45.720
that means they're going to have to do that worldwide.
00:15:49.720
So gold all of a sudden becomes $4,500 an ounce.
00:15:55.080
As your dollar goes down, your gold will go through the roof.
00:15:59.060
This is much better when Margot Robbie is telling me about it in a bathtub.
00:16:12.360
Stations, we may have some technical difficulties.
00:16:17.700
Inflammation is what Relief Factor takes care of, and they are our sponsor.
00:16:25.420
There's a lot of people in the world who suffer from frequent pain,
00:16:29.280
and inflammation is usually the thing causing it.
00:16:34.640
The next thing you know, you have pain radiating outward from those sources in your body.
00:16:39.680
Hundreds of people have taken this, and I've heard from hundreds of people,
00:16:44.240
that have taken Relief Factor and from their own personal experience can testify to the truth.
00:16:56.740
They didn't even – nobody knew how to stop this pain.
00:17:00.420
It stopped when I started taking Relief Factor, and I took it every day.
00:17:06.580
It's a daily supplement that helps your body fight pain by fighting inflammation,
00:17:10.780
which is the source of most of our pain in our bodies and a lot of our disease.
00:17:14.100
It's 100% drug-free, developed by doctors to help reduce or eliminate pain.
00:17:17.680
And over a million people have tried Relief Factor's Quick Start Kit.
00:17:23.300
So make 2025 the year of feeling good and living great.
00:17:55.680
I find your book and your premise here to be so true just right off the bat
00:18:04.040
that it is easier to live with faith than to live without it.
00:18:09.660
And when you really start to question and engage your mind on faith,
00:18:19.240
you have to reject so much science, I think, and common sense if you dismiss God.
00:18:33.140
I think we're in a moment right now in our culture where it's kind of an inflection point.
00:18:40.480
We've lived through about, you know, 20 or 25 years where religion has been in decline.
00:18:48.460
You know, there's been scandal, sex abuse, politics, all of these things.
00:18:53.080
And right now, it seems to me that you've got a kind of a reconsideration where a lot of people,
00:18:59.020
especially younger people, are taking a new look at religion or sort of interested in it again.
00:19:04.380
But there's this hurdle that gets to what you're saying, Glenn, that people feel like they need to get over,
00:19:10.180
where people are like, well, it'd be nice to be religious, but I feel like I have to leave my reason at the door.
00:19:21.760
And a big part of what I'm doing in this book is saying, no, in fact, that's not true.
00:19:26.980
In fact, the world, the universe, the human place in the cosmos actually makes much more sense under religious premises
00:19:36.020
than it does if you start out with the assumption that, you know, it's all random, accidental, and so on.
00:19:42.520
And in fact, most of what science has suggested, physics especially in the last 50 or 100 years,
00:19:52.220
The universe is, in fact, made and not accidental.
00:19:56.160
And that, I think, should lay a stronger foundation for people who are, you know, who would like to believe, right,
00:20:06.240
It's amazing to me because I think if God exists, which I believe he does,
00:20:11.120
he has to be the greatest scientist because he created all this.
00:20:14.600
And the math on the universe is exact and universal.
00:20:20.320
It just doesn't seem to be something that could randomly just appear
00:20:28.520
I don't know if you've ever heard Thomas Jefferson's quote.
00:20:31.540
He was writing his nephew, Peter Carr, and he said, you know, explaining different things,
00:20:37.800
and he said, when it comes to religion, above all things, fix reason firmly in our seat,
00:20:42.260
because if there is a God, he must surely rather honest questioning over blindfolded fear.
00:20:52.360
You know, you should be asking these hard questions
00:20:55.880
because you can find a lot of the answers, a lot you're never going to know.
00:21:01.680
But science plays a real role in the discovery of God, right?
00:21:09.460
And there's, I mean, one thing that has shifted in the last few generations is it was always the case,
00:21:17.020
I think, that science suggested that the universe was made by someone with, let's say,
00:21:26.340
That, you know, and just the fact that human beings in our limited reason could understand
00:21:32.580
these universal laws and figure out how calculus works, figure out theoretical physics, all of these
00:21:38.660
things, all of those things, I think, already pointed towards some kind of divine architect.
00:21:44.340
But then you get into just the fascinating reality that we've only recently figured out,
00:21:49.620
which is that all of these values that sort of keep the universe together, the cosmological constant,
00:21:57.960
the strong nuclear force, these sort of very particular aspects of physics are set in these really precise ways
00:22:05.540
that if, and we're talking not like one in a hundred, we're talking, you know, one, you know,
00:22:11.460
one in a hundred billion to produce stars, planets, life itself.
00:22:18.020
And if you tweak those in one direction or another, in just a tiny way, you would have an empty,
00:22:24.860
dead cosmos, a cosmos that flies apart, a cosmos that collapses in on itself.
00:22:29.740
And our universe really is in this kind of Goldilocks jackpot zone for making us possible.
00:22:36.440
And what's fascinating is that even atheistic, non-believing scientists basically acknowledge this,
00:22:42.960
and they've sort of taken refuge in the idea of, you know, the multiverse, right?
00:22:47.620
Like, one reason that every superhero movie now has this idea of the multiverse is it has actually
00:22:53.340
become really important for the atheist to believe, well, we can't, we can't, we seem special,
00:22:59.380
but in fact, there must be, you know, a gazillion other universes we can't see.
00:23:04.660
And the motto of modern atheism is basically, better a gazillion universes we can't see than one god.
00:23:13.280
So how would you deal with quantum physics or, you know, quantum computing even?
00:23:21.760
Well, the quantum revolution is also, that's another really fascinating case, right?
00:23:26.260
Where quantum physics is sort of the place where our reason, our ability to fully understand the world
00:23:35.880
You end up with these really weird things where, you know, something, is something a wave or a particle,
00:23:44.640
It all, you know, depending on, it all depends on observation, right?
00:23:48.820
Like whether, you know, basically to really oversimplify, it seems like at the deepest level of reality,
00:23:56.700
there's a kind of possibility that only collapses into reality when we ourselves are looking at it
00:24:06.420
It gives it a, it gives the quote, you know, or the old saying, you know,
00:24:10.760
if a tree falls in the woods and nobody's there to hear it, did it actually happen?
00:24:17.460
Quantum physics said maybe it did or maybe it didn't.
00:24:25.160
But the implication, the implication of that is, in fact, a religious implication,
00:24:29.780
because it says, look, mind actually precedes matter, right?
00:24:34.900
And the human mind participates every time you're looking around at the world.
00:24:39.360
We are, you know, in a bizarre but fascinating way,
00:24:43.140
participating in the literal creation or an existence of the world.
00:24:48.240
And obviously this has implications for creation itself, right?
00:24:52.040
Because there was a very long period of, you know, cosmological history
00:24:56.620
where human beings weren't around as observers.
00:24:59.620
But the religious perspective has always been that it's the mind of God
00:25:03.060
that holds that, that holds reality together in total, right?
00:25:08.660
And that, I think, is something that is deeply consonant with what quantum physics
00:25:13.720
has figured out about how our own minds relate to reality.
00:25:16.340
We are, in fact, made in the image of God in the sense that we, like God,
00:25:22.360
participate in taking possibilities and turning them into physical realities,
00:25:29.540
But it is, in fact, like the most, I think, the most plausible interpretation
00:25:38.420
Give me your explanation on why you think that it is easier to live life with
00:25:50.680
Like, there's a sort of practical case for religion that a lot of people
00:25:56.040
who aren't deeply religious can still get behind, right?
00:25:59.160
Which is to say, you know, it's good to have a sense of meaning and purpose,
00:26:07.460
And I think, you know, a lot of, one reason among many that you see a lot of
00:26:12.380
depression and anxiety and even suicidality among younger people these days
00:26:17.140
is that they're the first generation in American history where large numbers of
00:26:21.200
them have been raised, you know, not even with like a weak form of faith,
00:26:26.800
No basic Sunday school, you know, nothing, nothing like that, right?
00:26:29.820
And there's a way in which religious belief just offers you a basic grounding
00:26:37.220
You have a place, you're here for a reason, it's not an accident.
00:26:40.920
You know, human civilization is not just like a candle that's about to be snuffed
00:26:46.980
And then related to that, there's, you know, faith as a form of community, right?
00:26:51.560
There's solidarity, there's support, all of the kind of things that Alexis de Tocqueville
00:26:58.560
So the role that religious institutions play in building social capital, all of
00:27:05.900
But in, in the book, I'm trying to push a little bit beyond that because I think I
00:27:11.760
I write for the New York times, obviously has, you know, a fairly secular
00:27:15.540
I have a lot of readers who, yeah, it's an understatement.
00:27:20.080
But, but a lot of religious readers as well, I can assure you.
00:27:23.860
And, but there's a lot of people who will go that far with you.
00:27:26.540
They'll say, yeah, religion, it's good for you.
00:27:29.220
It's good for you to, it's good to take your kids to church, gives them a moral
00:27:33.020
It's good to, you know, have some faith and purpose in the universe.
00:27:36.860
But in the end, isn't it still kind of unreasonable?
00:27:41.640
And the case I'm making in the book is no, in fact, the practical benefits of
00:27:46.100
religion are there because religion is in fact a better description of reality than
00:27:54.960
And in fact, you know, there's a line attributed to the scientist John von Neumann, right?
00:28:00.400
He said something like, there, this is actually something he supposedly said to his mother.
00:28:05.420
So there's some debate about whether he said it or not.
00:28:08.320
But the line goes, you know, there probably is a God.
00:28:11.860
A lot of things make a lot more sense if there is one.
00:28:15.520
And that's, that's what I'm trying to persuade people of here, that in fact, it's not just
00:28:21.240
that religion is good for you in an immediate day-to-day sense.
00:28:24.640
It's that it's good for you because there probably is a God.
00:28:30.000
You're probably going to meet him when you die.
00:28:31.860
You probably should be organizing your life to some degree around that reality.
00:28:37.220
And that is, in fact, the reasonable thing for people to do.
00:28:41.720
So, but wait, but wait, the, the, you know, that's, that's like, I've always joked, you
00:28:47.960
know, if I'm an atheist, I'm just going to hedge my bet a little bit, you know what I mean?
00:28:55.900
So that's, but that's not what you're saying, is it?
00:29:00.920
Well, I, well, I am, I am saying, so there's a kind of depth hedging where you're like,
00:29:05.660
okay, you know, maybe there's a one in a thousand chance that there's a God.
00:29:09.860
And if there is that chance, I should pay attention to it because, you know, even a one in a thousand
00:29:15.020
chance of entering eternity is a pretty big deal.
00:29:19.620
I'm saying there's a very, very strong probability that there is a God.
00:29:23.600
And that strong probability is the starting place for going out there, going to church,
00:29:31.760
reading books, praying, and seeing if you can have a relationship with this God, right?
00:29:37.600
So in the end, you can't, look, you can't think your way to a relationship with God because
00:29:42.780
it's a relationship, but you can think and reason your way to the point where you can say,
00:29:51.780
It makes sense to seek, to knock and see if the door is opened unto you.
00:30:00.200
To hear more of this interview and others, download the full show podcasts, wherever you get podcasts.
00:30:13.260
I can't wait for the entire list to be produced.
00:30:19.040
I want every photograph because they will prove that I had nothing to do with anything.
00:30:24.080
Indeed, the woman who accused me has now admitted publicly, withdrawn her lawsuit, admitted publicly
00:30:29.640
that she may have confused me with somebody else, misidentified me.
00:30:34.060
I wanted to show that, yes, I was on the island once with my wife and my 10-year-old daughter
00:30:39.420
when Jeffrey Epstein, who was his lawyer, had just bought the island and he wanted to show me the island.
00:30:45.200
There was nobody on the island except for me, Epstein and his workers, and a professor at Harvard named Michael Porter and his wife.
00:30:54.700
We had an intellectual dinner, left the next day, and so if my name is just on the list, oh, somebody who was on the island.
00:31:08.680
I flew down on his airplane in order to represent him in front of the court and in front of the district attorney in Palm Beach County.
00:31:18.440
I was his lawyer, and as his lawyer, of course, I was in his home.
00:31:32.540
And the only woman who accused me has now admitted that she may have confused me with someone else,
00:31:38.380
misidentified me, and caused me over a million dollars in legal fees, expenses, and all kinds of difficulties.
00:31:46.760
I want every word, every videotape, every tape, every black book, everything.
00:31:52.040
I want the world to see everything so they can make a judgment.
00:31:55.380
But what we shouldn't see is selective disclosures.
00:31:58.460
Oh, here's an address book that has so-and-so's name in it.
00:32:07.380
I was having dinner at the home of Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of the president,
00:32:11.100
and the other guest at the dinner was Bill Clinton.
00:32:13.800
And he was president of the United States, and my wife was there.
00:32:18.740
And the Secret Service man comes over to the president and gives him the phone and says,
00:32:24.780
Clinton walks away for about 15 minutes, and then he comes back and says,
00:32:29.900
And so I was curious, who the heck was President Clinton talking to for 15 minutes?
00:32:39.200
He said, well, I need your legal this and this and that.
00:32:41.440
And I had this legal issue and that legal issue.
00:32:43.600
We talked for a couple of minutes, made an appointment, and that was the end of the discussion.
00:32:47.340
But, you know, he's had conversations, obviously, in business dealings with Bill Gates.
00:32:55.760
He went down to Cuba and met with Fidel Castro to try to help him on economic issues.
00:33:00.420
He met with presidents and governors and senators, and let's have it all out there.
00:33:07.740
I've spent, what, five years explaining my situation.
00:33:11.760
And, you know, obviously the world now knows that I was completely, totally, categorically,
00:33:17.280
falsely accused by a woman I never met, never heard of, and never saw,
00:33:22.380
and was never in the same place with in my entire life.
00:33:27.540
So what does it mean, do you think, his client list?
00:33:47.060
I think there is a, I know I've seen an address book.
00:33:50.620
And the address book, you know, has everybody in the world's name in it, you know, princes
00:34:04.720
And, for example, I'm on the plane logs, but always with other lawyers and never with
00:34:11.040
I've never been on a plane with him with anybody young or anybody suspicious.
00:34:14.860
So I would love to see the plane logs all out there.
00:34:19.740
I want to see what kind of company I'm in, whoever, which other lawyers, you know, he
00:34:23.140
was represented by some of the biggest law firms in the country, Kirkland Ellis and some
00:34:28.240
And the names of the lawyers, of course, are going to be on lists.
00:34:34.380
There is, as far as I know, I wish there were a list that said list of people who had
00:34:42.140
I would love to see that list because, of course, I wouldn't be on it.
00:34:44.700
Um, and, uh, you know, Jeffrey once said to me, Alan, um, you have the happiest and best
00:34:54.300
He said, you're the only person I've seen have a good marriage.
00:34:57.160
So, you know, there's no way he would ever have suggested in a trillion years.
00:35:01.520
Uh, I had sex with no human being other than my wife from the day I met Jeffrey Epstein.
00:35:15.360
I get websites accusing me of being a pedophile.
00:35:19.160
I have a lawsuit now, uh, against some anti-Israel person because the anti-Israel group has gotten
00:35:26.080
together and they all say, Oh, Dershowitz, how can you trust Dershowitz?
00:35:32.560
So they're still using the fact that I was Epstein's lawyer as a way of trying to diminish
00:35:40.920
That's why it's important that everything be out there and everybody in the world know
00:35:44.740
that I never had any contact with anybody, uh, that was sexual or improper in the years
00:35:52.600
I am pleased to hear you say this because a guilty man would not say release everything.
00:35:59.280
Um, I said, by the way, the day I was falsely accused, this now 11 years ago, that day I
00:36:14.260
I have been memo books going back from the time I started teaching at Harvard and I will
00:36:24.780
Uh, I'm an open book and I knew you can do the same with my wife and my children.
00:36:29.660
And, uh, of course, uh, my wife was interviewed and, uh, she and everybody else confirmed everything.
00:36:35.560
I have records, American express records, uh, purchase records proving that I couldn't have
00:36:50.740
And certainly never during a period of time when anything improper could have taken place.
00:36:55.260
So the more that's out there, the better for an innocent person.
00:36:59.140
So, uh, the thing that is surprising to me is you did go through five years of hell of people.
00:37:07.700
You, you had to, you had to prove you're innocent, 10 years, 10 years.
00:37:16.000
And yeah, but I did, I was able to, because fortunately I keep very careful records because
00:37:21.300
I have to account for every hour, but I have careful records of every hour, which could
00:37:26.560
prove, and not only that, they're all backed up by American express.
00:37:32.340
But this is, this is what I wanted to talk to you about.
00:37:34.740
Um, uh, not you, but the possibility of witch hunts for other people that might be in your
00:37:44.580
Look, I did business with him, et cetera, et cetera.
00:37:47.080
But I, because everybody's going to claim that everybody's going to say, Oh no, I know
00:37:51.900
I was down there and I blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:37:54.660
Some innocent people might be scooped up into this.
00:37:58.220
If it is his address book, how do you, how do we stop?
00:38:02.940
Saying to everybody, well, you're going to have to prove your innocence.
00:38:08.220
I think in America, we have a freedom of speech and we have transparency.
00:38:12.100
You let it all hang out and, uh, let the public judge based on the totality of the evidence.
00:38:17.840
The one thing that couldn't happen, that shouldn't happen.
00:38:19.840
And that did happen in this case, the judge in this case said, I'm letting this out, but
00:38:24.660
And the judge withheld information that would have proved innocence.
00:38:28.480
And that's what I'm afraid is happening in this case.
00:38:31.300
There are going to be people who are going to say, we want this to be out because it
00:38:34.340
shows suspicious conduct, but we're not going to let this out because it deals with, for
00:38:42.920
And we're not going to let that out because we don't want anybody to attack the credibility
00:38:47.760
God forbid, even if there's a false accusation.
00:38:54.980
The worst thing is that free speech for me, but not for the, and, uh, only some people
00:39:01.040
And here you have only some information that could be that raise questions about people
00:39:07.780
But the information that proves the innocence is going to be withheld.
00:39:24.880
We know it's a matter of record that, um, there was somebody who worked for him who
00:39:30.640
And so the police in Palm beach installed tapes to try to catch the robber.
00:39:36.680
Now, whether they installed them in bedrooms, as well as in living areas, I don't know the
00:39:42.780
I hope there were tapes of every single second.
00:39:48.180
And not only was I falsely accused, but, uh, the, the former, uh, uh, majority leader
00:39:54.420
of the Senate, uh, uh, Mitchell, he was accused of having sex.
00:39:58.040
And by the way, they were all accused of having unprotected sex with somebody who allegedly
00:40:04.000
had sex with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people.
00:40:06.480
Imagine any reasonable person having unprotected sex.
00:40:09.900
Uh, so it was, uh, uh, Mitchell, it was, um, the Senator Richardson was accused, the prime
00:40:16.900
minister of Israel, a hood Barak was accused, Andrew, David Copperfield, uh, Leonardo DiCaprio,
00:40:25.380
Al Gore, Richard Branson, Stephen Hawking, which that one, I believe Michael Jackson.
00:40:30.960
And they had a story, they had a story of me and, and, and, uh, this man in a wheelchair
00:40:40.340
I mean, I just imagine the idea of me trying to jump over the wheelchair to get at some
00:40:44.120
young, you know, it's, it's, some of it is the most bizarre, preposterous thing.
00:40:48.960
Um, uh, and, and, and, you know, some of the, some of the allegations themselves, you
00:40:55.140
know, prove questions about the credibility, but the important point is all should come
00:41:02.820
There shouldn't be anything withheld right now.
00:41:05.280
The courts are withholding certain of the information because they don't want information
00:41:10.000
out there that could cast doubts on the credibility of the accusers.
00:41:15.700
If you're going to accuse, you have to have everything out there.
00:41:19.720
I have to tell you, I am for radical transparency.
00:41:22.520
I'm concerned about witch hunts, but I am for radical transparency because these names
00:41:27.460
held in secret and having some things held in secret, not everything out.
00:41:31.840
It just, uh, provides the opportunity for blackmail and, and everything else.
00:41:36.500
It's too much information for any one agency or, or any government or anybody to hold and
00:41:45.580
Cause when you don't know what's in there, uh, and you don't know, you know, you, there
00:41:50.720
might be exonerating things for you in this information, but they can hold it back.
00:41:58.700
Uh, uh, as a result of all this, I was canceled as a speaker at the 92nd street.
00:42:03.640
Why canceled as a speaker at temple Emanuel in New York, the largest reform temple in the
00:42:09.240
United States, um, canceled all over the country, uh, as a speaker, uh, canceled basically by
00:42:16.440
the New York times, um, just as a result of an accusation, which has now been, uh, the
00:42:22.680
legally withdrawn and the woman admitted that, you know, she may have confused me with somebody
00:42:27.040
else, but just as a result of the accusation, that's why I wrote a book called guilt by accusation.
00:42:32.640
Not now I don't stand by everything in the book, cause a lot of things have changed since
00:42:36.900
that book was published sub seven or eight years ago.
00:42:39.500
But again, who would publish a book, uh, laying it all out if they had anything to hide, I have
00:42:47.920
Um, and, uh, you know, you talk about perfect attendance, use the word perfect in terms of
00:42:55.440
I've had a perfect sex life in the sense that since the day I met Jeffrey Epstein, I never,
00:43:00.940
ever, ever violated any vows or did anything improper.
00:43:07.960
And yet half the world believes that I was guilty of charges, even though they've been
00:43:13.420
essentially, uh, the woman admitted, she may have confused me with somebody else.
00:43:17.700
Alan, I know I'm going to, I'm going to get heat from some members of this audience for
00:43:23.400
having you on, uh, cause I do every time because they're like, they're convinced.
00:43:28.520
Um, a court wasn't convinced she took her, uh, her accusations back and he's been straight
00:43:38.300
And I don't think that there's, you know, what else happened?
00:43:43.620
Four or five days after I was accused, I wrote an op-ed for the wall street journal, inviting,
00:43:48.860
inviting the FBI to investigate me saying I will have no privileges.
00:43:56.860
Have you ever heard of a guilty person asking for an investigation by the FBI?
00:44:02.260
And I was upset the FBI didn't investigate me because if they did, obviously they would
00:44:06.480
have concluded as now, I think any reasonable person included that I was either, either the
00:44:14.020
The woman admitted she may have confused me with somebody else or a deliberate plot.
00:44:25.640
I never paid a nickel, uh, to any, and I never would pay a nickel to anybody who falsely
00:44:33.080
Alan Dershowitz, uh, host of the, uh, Dershow and, uh, you can follow him, uh, to
00:44:37.940
Dershowitz.substack.com or on Twitter at Alan Dershowitz, Alan, thank you very much.