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00:00:30.000 Hey, on today's podcast, there is a massive move happening in the gold market that nobody really even understands what's happening.

00:00:37.420 But it looks like somebody is buying up enormous amounts of gold.

00:00:42.220 Is it our Fed or the Treasury buying up a lot of gold?

00:00:45.740 And what could be the reason for that?

00:00:47.640 We explore that in hour number one of our podcast.

00:00:51.640 Also, Alan Dershowitz on should everything be released?

00:00:56.420 The radical transparency on all of these scandals?

00:01:01.540 And Ross Douthat.

00:01:03.380 He's written a new book on faith.

00:01:06.420 Why it's easier and better to believe there is a God than there isn't.

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00:02:44.380 There is a great thread from Matt Smith that I retweeted last night.

00:02:50.400 And it's about the dollar and our economy.

00:02:55.680 And everyone needs to read this.

00:02:59.040 What the average person is going to be talking about is, my groceries are going up.

00:03:04.120 And yes, they are.

00:03:05.660 That's not anything from this administration.

00:03:08.500 That is from all of the lies that the media was telling you that things were strong and it's getting better and yada yada.

00:03:15.420 No, it's not.

00:03:16.540 Those numbers and all of that stuff were garbage.

00:03:19.500 And it's not getting better yet.

00:03:23.920 And Donald Trump is cutting, cutting, cutting.

00:03:27.020 But we also need to cut regulations.

00:03:29.900 We need to get business back on its feet.

00:03:33.740 These two things have to happen in a coordinated fashion.

00:03:37.440 Otherwise, you're going to gut the spending.

00:03:40.240 Because remember, most of our GDP, a lot of our GDP, is coming from the government.

00:03:46.000 They're spending all of this money.

00:03:47.700 You're not spending money.

00:03:48.860 They're spending money.

00:03:50.100 That's keeping the government's GDP.

00:03:52.940 So if you cut, our GDP goes down, which means all kinds of numbers start to fluctuate from interest rates and everything else.

00:04:03.080 So we want a growing GDP, which means we have to grow real wealth.

00:04:10.420 We have to grow real business, not NGOs.

00:04:15.300 And the one guy that I think can do it is Donald Trump.

00:04:19.680 But there's a tweet that caught my eye yesterday because it starts with gold.

00:04:25.060 And I've been following the comics.

00:04:27.320 There's something going on with gold and nobody really knows what it is.

00:04:30.800 Somebody here in the United States is buying a crap load of gold.

00:04:36.760 We think, I hope, it's the Treasury or the Central Bank, the Fed.

00:04:43.860 But somebody is taking huge physical deliveries and it's causing shortages in London where they buy and sell gold.

00:04:54.280 There are shortages now of gold because somebody is buying it and shipping it here.

00:05:00.800 Somebody with very deep pockets.

00:05:03.320 Okay.

00:05:03.980 So why?

00:05:05.300 Now this is all theory.

00:05:06.440 That's fact.

00:05:07.560 Here is the theory of what's going on.

00:05:10.060 They're preparing for a full-on gold audit.

00:05:12.800 We talked about this yesterday.

00:05:14.500 The government right now claims on its balance sheet as an asset all of this gold.

00:05:21.160 And it's valued at $45 an ounce.

00:05:25.760 In case you haven't heard, it's $2,900 an ounce.

00:05:30.240 So they're talking now about boosting the price of gold, at least market to market, but maybe even making it $5,000 an ounce.

00:05:40.500 If that happens, the balance sheet starts to fall into line and our debt to GDP is not as bad as it really is right now.

00:05:51.800 Just start claiming the truth about gold and our balance sheet starts to come into line.

00:05:58.560 Start taking our minerals, start taking our oil and claiming those as assets and putting those on the balance sheet, which we can do.

00:06:08.400 And it's not a bad idea unless we lose in the end because then we lose all of our assets, our natural assets.

00:06:17.120 You put those on the balance sheet.

00:06:18.720 This helps strengthen the United States because we're coming to a place where we're not going to be able to finance the debt.

00:06:27.520 Who wants to write the United States a new long-term loan at less than really market value?

00:06:38.100 And market value, I mean, you know, if you walked into a bank and you had the credit report that the United States of America has, what do you think the bank is going to charge you an interest?

00:06:49.620 You're a risk.

00:06:50.880 You just are addicted to spending.

00:06:52.840 You're doing ridiculous things.

00:06:55.260 I'm sorry.

00:06:56.660 Now, they might write you a check if you have all of this stuff on your balance sheet, okay?

00:07:02.820 And that's why they're doing it.

00:07:04.800 They're trying to reshore up our balance sheet, make ourselves healthier than we are because we're at the end of the dollar.

00:07:14.760 We're at the end of this financial system.

00:07:18.260 So this is an end game.

00:07:23.160 It's why tariffs are being, you know, brought in.

00:07:27.720 It's to force others to start to see the sorry situation they're in.

00:07:37.920 I mean, Europe, if this deal with Ukraine goes through, which, by the way, yesterday had a great, a perfect phone call with Putin, and it did go really, really well.

00:07:51.060 And Donald Trump is saying, yeah, you know, we might have to have the resources from you.

00:07:58.200 We might, we want your rare earth minerals because of what we've already given you.

00:08:01.820 We want that in exchange.

00:08:04.460 He's doing that as a negotiating tactic with everybody.

00:08:09.560 And he's putting on notice, the European Union, we're not in this anymore.

00:08:15.040 This is your problem.

00:08:16.340 We leave.

00:08:17.220 We're not rebuilding Ukraine.

00:08:19.200 You have to do it.

00:08:20.720 And you're going to have to protect it.

00:08:22.420 And we're not going to guarantee its protection.

00:08:25.240 So if you want it protected, you do it.

00:08:26.940 They're talking $3 trillion to be able to rebuild and protect.

00:08:34.420 Europe can't handle that.

00:08:35.900 But you know what, Europe?

00:08:37.920 Neither can we.

00:08:39.860 So he's putting everybody in the same situation.

00:08:43.700 And this is going to cause inflation to rise.

00:08:48.320 It's going to.

00:08:49.760 It will punish the average person because of tariffs and everything else. 0.98

00:08:53.620 If they're not done exactly right, it'll punish with higher prices.

00:09:00.620 However, he's betting that wages will also rise because he's forcing people to keep their profits here and make jobs here.

00:09:12.700 If everything goes right, what the trade on gold is showing us is that we may be going towards a gold-backed financial system or a gold-backed currency of some sort.

00:09:31.100 The Fed could even be shut down.

00:09:33.560 There is something big in the wind.

00:09:37.700 And nobody knows what it is for sure.

00:09:40.160 So if what do you do as a regular person, you need to understand that the dollar could be by design being collapsed.

00:09:51.160 That's exactly what the Biden administration was doing, collapsing the dollar.

00:09:55.860 But they didn't have a plan to replace it other than a digital dollar and global slavery.

00:10:01.940 I'm not sure what the plan is here, but it seems much more American-centric, good for America, and eventually good for the rest of the world.

00:10:13.280 And it doesn't look like it is taking freedom away from people, but we have to watch it.

00:10:20.140 The situation with the situation with the economy is really dire.

00:10:26.260 That hasn't gone away.

00:10:28.100 What we have is one of the best mechanics who have hired the rest of the best mechanics to come in, put up the hood, and say,

00:10:39.060 we want to save this engine, how do we do it?

00:10:44.240 And they're applying that.

00:10:45.980 We don't know what direction, but a huge sign that something big is coming is the amount of gold that is being purchased.

00:10:56.140 And the key here that you have to understand, shortages in London, gold flowing into the U.S. at record levels, somebody with deep pockets, this is what Matt Smith, is scooping up gold.

00:11:10.500 They're reshoring gold that might have been leased out.

00:11:15.520 What does that mean?

00:11:18.020 That the United States is buying all this gold.

00:11:21.220 Why?

00:11:21.860 Because they're reshoring the gold that might have been leased out.

00:11:28.440 That's rehypothecation.

00:11:31.260 That's just the word away from the word that I said.

00:11:36.180 If you see rehypothecation begin to be bantered around, look out.

00:11:41.660 What rehypothecation is, is we've taken one asset and we've counted it on several different accounting books.

00:11:52.660 So we counted it the United States, but also we've leased this gold out to Germany.

00:11:59.080 So Germany could get more money based on their gold.

00:12:02.300 But their gold is our gold, and our gold is England's gold. 0.56

00:12:07.940 So that's how dire this is, is we're beginning to enter the world of rehypothecation, which means no one owns anything.

00:12:19.600 Because your house, you say, well, I got my loan through Citibank.

00:12:25.880 But Citibank has used rehypothecation to put that on their balance sheet as that's their house.

00:12:37.440 But they sold it in a package to eight different banks, and they're all counting that house, yours, as an asset.

00:12:47.140 So when they all start to go down, they all say, well, we've got all these assets.

00:12:52.220 Well, no, you don't.

00:12:53.300 Which one of you has the 100%?

00:12:56.340 You're all claiming 100% of Bob Smith's house.

00:13:00.840 Which one actually has it?

00:13:03.580 Well, they all do.

00:13:04.640 This is such a Ponzi scheme where, you know what this is?

00:13:09.460 This is a story of the producers.

00:13:11.260 Do you ever see the movie or the stage show, Mel Brooks, The Producers?

00:13:15.760 Why did they get into trouble?

00:13:17.720 Because they were selling over 100% of the play.

00:13:21.960 They kept selling the play.

00:13:23.660 You get 100%.

00:13:24.620 You get 100%.

00:13:25.660 You get 100%.

00:13:26.800 All thinking that it's not, that that particular show wouldn't make any money.

00:13:33.440 It won't be a success.

00:13:35.100 It's the worst play ever.

00:13:36.700 So it will close, and nobody's going to audit and say, wait a minute, you sold 100%.

00:13:42.560 Nobody's going to ask.

00:13:43.660 They just want to get away from it.

00:13:44.940 They lost their money.

00:13:45.800 It closed.

00:13:46.560 But if it's a success, they now have to pay 100% of the proceeds to 14 different people.

00:13:55.380 It's a scam.

00:13:56.360 That's what's happened here.

00:13:59.200 They have sold 100% of your house, or in this case, the gold, to several different people.

00:14:11.020 When everybody says, I'm in trouble, I want my money back.

00:14:14.360 I need my gold.

00:14:16.080 Trouble.

00:14:17.480 Trouble.

00:14:17.960 I mean, it just seems like the type of thing that it's almost impossible to unwind, right?

00:14:27.400 If it's that deep, how do you unwind it?

00:14:29.560 Or do you just protect yourself and your family?

00:14:32.240 For you, you make sure that if your house is paid for, if you have anything paid for, you have the title.

00:14:40.300 You know where the title is, you have the title, okay?

00:14:44.420 So you're not in as bad of shape if you own things.

00:14:50.180 You own your car, good.

00:14:51.640 Have the title.

00:14:53.320 You own your house, good.

00:14:54.720 Have the title.

00:14:56.600 It's really good if you're buying a house to make sure that that loan is staying local,

00:15:02.840 that they're not reselling that loan, that it's staying with one bank,

00:15:08.280 and it's not being sold in, you know, what were those called?

00:15:12.980 Credit default swaps?

00:15:14.940 I remember those things.

00:15:16.140 Yeah, okay.

00:15:16.920 Yeah.

00:15:17.500 That it's not being sold like that because that's what causes the problem.

00:15:23.640 And so you just need assets.

00:15:27.720 You need real assets.

00:15:29.260 If you can buy gold, you should buy gold,

00:15:31.700 especially if they are going to start counting that on the balance sheet.

00:15:35.880 If they change the price of gold from $45 to $4,500,

00:15:45.720 that means they're going to have to do that worldwide.

00:15:49.720 So gold all of a sudden becomes $4,500 an ounce.

00:15:53.940 Okay.

00:15:55.080 As your dollar goes down, your gold will go through the roof.

00:15:59.060 This is much better when Margot Robbie is telling me about it in a bathtub.

00:16:03.300 That is the delivery system.

00:16:06.580 I could run the water.

00:16:07.520 I could get into the bathtub.

00:16:08.280 No, I don't think you.

00:16:08.520 No, please don't.

00:16:10.020 Please don't.

00:16:10.620 Oh, my gosh.

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00:17:44.420 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program,

00:17:46.140 and we really want to thank you for listening.

00:17:49.360 All right.

00:17:50.480 Ross, welcome to the program.

00:17:51.760 How are you?

00:17:53.020 I'm great, Glenn.

00:17:54.060 Thanks so much for having me.

00:17:55.240 You bet.

00:17:55.680 I find your book and your premise here to be so true just right off the bat

00:18:04.040 that it is easier to live with faith than to live without it.

00:18:09.660 And when you really start to question and engage your mind on faith,

00:18:19.240 you have to reject so much science, I think, and common sense if you dismiss God.

00:18:28.700 Yeah, obviously, I think that's right.

00:18:33.140 I think we're in a moment right now in our culture where it's kind of an inflection point.

00:18:39.780 It's interesting.

00:18:40.480 We've lived through about, you know, 20 or 25 years where religion has been in decline.

00:18:45.980 People have been leaving churches.

00:18:48.460 You know, there's been scandal, sex abuse, politics, all of these things.

00:18:53.080 And right now, it seems to me that you've got a kind of a reconsideration where a lot of people,

00:18:59.020 especially younger people, are taking a new look at religion or sort of interested in it again.

00:19:04.380 But there's this hurdle that gets to what you're saying, Glenn, that people feel like they need to get over,

00:19:10.180 where people are like, well, it'd be nice to be religious, but I feel like I have to leave my reason at the door.

00:19:16.780 I have to, you know, leave science behind.

00:19:19.160 I have to take this leap into the dark.

00:19:21.760 And a big part of what I'm doing in this book is saying, no, in fact, that's not true.

00:19:26.980 In fact, the world, the universe, the human place in the cosmos actually makes much more sense under religious premises

00:19:36.020 than it does if you start out with the assumption that, you know, it's all random, accidental, and so on.

00:19:42.520 And in fact, most of what science has suggested, physics especially in the last 50 or 100 years,

00:19:49.200 is that we are, in fact, here for a reason.

00:19:52.220 The universe is, in fact, made and not accidental.

00:19:56.160 And that, I think, should lay a stronger foundation for people who are, you know, who would like to believe, right,

00:20:03.540 but struggle to get across the threshold.

00:20:06.240 It's amazing to me because I think if God exists, which I believe he does,

00:20:11.120 he has to be the greatest scientist because he created all this.

00:20:14.600 And the math on the universe is exact and universal.

00:20:20.320 It just doesn't seem to be something that could randomly just appear

00:20:24.340 because it is so incredibly exact.

00:20:28.520 I don't know if you've ever heard Thomas Jefferson's quote.

00:20:31.540 He was writing his nephew, Peter Carr, and he said, you know, explaining different things,

00:20:37.800 and he said, when it comes to religion, above all things, fix reason firmly in our seat,

00:20:42.260 because if there is a God, he must surely rather honest questioning over blindfolded fear.

00:20:49.500 And that changed my life.

00:20:52.360 You know, you should be asking these hard questions

00:20:55.880 because you can find a lot of the answers, a lot you're never going to know.

00:21:01.680 But science plays a real role in the discovery of God, right?

00:21:08.520 Yeah.

00:21:08.840 Yeah.

00:21:09.460 And there's, I mean, one thing that has shifted in the last few generations is it was always the case,

00:21:17.020 I think, that science suggested that the universe was made by someone with, let's say,

00:21:24.300 a very mathematical mind, right?

00:21:26.340 That, you know, and just the fact that human beings in our limited reason could understand

00:21:32.580 these universal laws and figure out how calculus works, figure out theoretical physics, all of these

00:21:38.660 things, all of those things, I think, already pointed towards some kind of divine architect.

00:21:44.340 But then you get into just the fascinating reality that we've only recently figured out,

00:21:49.620 which is that all of these values that sort of keep the universe together, the cosmological constant,

00:21:57.960 the strong nuclear force, these sort of very particular aspects of physics are set in these really precise ways

00:22:05.540 that if, and we're talking not like one in a hundred, we're talking, you know, one, you know,

00:22:11.460 one in a hundred billion to produce stars, planets, life itself.

00:22:18.020 And if you tweak those in one direction or another, in just a tiny way, you would have an empty,

00:22:24.860 dead cosmos, a cosmos that flies apart, a cosmos that collapses in on itself.

00:22:29.740 And our universe really is in this kind of Goldilocks jackpot zone for making us possible.

00:22:36.440 And what's fascinating is that even atheistic, non-believing scientists basically acknowledge this,

00:22:42.960 and they've sort of taken refuge in the idea of, you know, the multiverse, right?

00:22:47.620 Like, one reason that every superhero movie now has this idea of the multiverse is it has actually

00:22:53.340 become really important for the atheist to believe, well, we can't, we can't, we seem special,

00:22:59.380 but in fact, there must be, you know, a gazillion other universes we can't see.

00:23:04.660 And the motto of modern atheism is basically, better a gazillion universes we can't see than one god.

00:23:11.160 That's sort of where atheism has ended up.

00:23:13.280 So how would you deal with quantum physics or, you know, quantum computing even?

00:23:20.220 How do you deal with it?

00:23:21.760 Well, the quantum revolution is also, that's another really fascinating case, right?

00:23:26.260 Where quantum physics is sort of the place where our reason, our ability to fully understand the world

00:23:32.540 hits a kind of limit, at least so far, right?

00:23:35.880 You end up with these really weird things where, you know, something, is something a wave or a particle,

00:23:41.860 is something there or in a different place?

00:23:44.640 It all, you know, depending on, it all depends on observation, right?

00:23:48.820 Like whether, you know, basically to really oversimplify, it seems like at the deepest level of reality,

00:23:56.700 there's a kind of possibility that only collapses into reality when we ourselves are looking at it

00:24:04.280 and measuring it and studying it.

00:24:06.420 It gives it a, it gives the quote, you know, or the old saying, you know,

00:24:10.760 if a tree falls in the woods and nobody's there to hear it, did it actually happen?

00:24:14.160 It actually gives teeth to that in a way.

00:24:17.180 Right.

00:24:17.460 Quantum physics said maybe it did or maybe it didn't.

00:24:21.400 It depends on whether we were there to see it.

00:24:25.160 But the implication, the implication of that is, in fact, a religious implication,

00:24:29.780 because it says, look, mind actually precedes matter, right?

00:24:34.900 And the human mind participates every time you're looking around at the world.

00:24:39.360 We are, you know, in a bizarre but fascinating way,

00:24:43.140 participating in the literal creation or an existence of the world.

00:24:48.240 And obviously this has implications for creation itself, right?

00:24:52.040 Because there was a very long period of, you know, cosmological history

00:24:56.620 where human beings weren't around as observers.

00:24:59.620 But the religious perspective has always been that it's the mind of God

00:25:03.060 that holds that, that holds reality together in total, right?

00:25:08.660 And that, I think, is something that is deeply consonant with what quantum physics

00:25:13.720 has figured out about how our own minds relate to reality.

00:25:16.340 We are, in fact, made in the image of God in the sense that we, like God,

00:25:22.360 participate in taking possibilities and turning them into physical realities,

00:25:27.860 which sort of blows your mind.

00:25:29.540 But it is, in fact, like the most, I think, the most plausible interpretation

00:25:34.680 of what quantum physics suggests.

00:25:37.820 Fascinating.

00:25:38.420 Give me your explanation on why you think that it is easier to live life with

00:25:45.760 than without faith.

00:25:48.440 Well, I mean, there's two levels, right?

00:25:50.680 Like, there's a sort of practical case for religion that a lot of people

00:25:56.040 who aren't deeply religious can still get behind, right?

00:25:59.160 Which is to say, you know, it's good to have a sense of meaning and purpose,

00:26:05.000 a sense of your own cosmic significance.

00:26:07.460 And I think, you know, a lot of, one reason among many that you see a lot of

00:26:12.380 depression and anxiety and even suicidality among younger people these days

00:26:17.140 is that they're the first generation in American history where large numbers of

00:26:21.200 them have been raised, you know, not even with like a weak form of faith,

00:26:24.540 but with no exposure to religion at all.

00:26:26.800 No basic Sunday school, you know, nothing, nothing like that, right?

00:26:29.820 And there's a way in which religious belief just offers you a basic grounding

00:26:35.780 in your own life.

00:26:37.220 You have a place, you're here for a reason, it's not an accident.

00:26:40.920 You know, human civilization is not just like a candle that's about to be snuffed

00:26:45.060 out by climate change or something.

00:26:46.980 And then related to that, there's, you know, faith as a form of community, right?

00:26:51.560 There's solidarity, there's support, all of the kind of things that Alexis de Tocqueville

00:26:56.920 wrote about in American life, right?

00:26:58.560 So the role that religious institutions play in building social capital, all of

00:27:03.720 that is real.

00:27:04.540 So that's, that's step one.

00:27:05.900 But in, in the book, I'm trying to push a little bit beyond that because I think I

00:27:10.940 have a lot of readers.

00:27:11.760 I write for the New York times, obviously has, you know, a fairly secular

00:27:14.800 readership.

00:27:15.540 I have a lot of readers who, yeah, it's an understatement.

00:27:18.840 Yeah, fine.

00:27:19.660 Yeah.

00:27:20.080 But, but a lot of religious readers as well, I can assure you.

00:27:23.860 And, but there's a lot of people who will go that far with you.

00:27:26.540 They'll say, yeah, religion, it's good for you.

00:27:29.220 It's good for you to, it's good to take your kids to church, gives them a moral

00:27:32.580 grounding.

00:27:33.020 It's good to, you know, have some faith and purpose in the universe.

00:27:36.860 But in the end, isn't it still kind of unreasonable?

00:27:41.640 And the case I'm making in the book is no, in fact, the practical benefits of

00:27:46.100 religion are there because religion is in fact a better description of reality than 0.93

00:27:53.800 secularism and atheism.

00:27:54.960 And in fact, you know, there's a line attributed to the scientist John von Neumann, right?

00:28:00.400 He said something like, there, this is actually something he supposedly said to his mother.

00:28:05.420 So there's some debate about whether he said it or not.

00:28:08.320 But the line goes, you know, there probably is a God.

00:28:11.860 A lot of things make a lot more sense if there is one.

00:28:15.520 And that's, that's what I'm trying to persuade people of here, that in fact, it's not just

00:28:21.240 that religion is good for you in an immediate day-to-day sense.

00:28:24.640 It's that it's good for you because there probably is a God.

00:28:30.000 You're probably going to meet him when you die.

00:28:31.860 You probably should be organizing your life to some degree around that reality.

00:28:37.220 And that is, in fact, the reasonable thing for people to do.

00:28:41.720 So, but wait, but wait, the, the, you know, that's, that's like, I've always joked, you

00:28:47.960 know, if I'm an atheist, I'm just going to hedge my bet a little bit, you know what I mean?

00:28:51.780 Right.

00:28:52.460 I'm going to live my life in a...

00:28:53.960 Yeah, just in case.

00:28:55.660 Right.

00:28:55.900 So that's, but that's not what you're saying, is it?

00:29:00.920 Well, I, well, I am, I am saying, so there's a kind of depth hedging where you're like,

00:29:05.660 okay, you know, maybe there's a one in a thousand chance that there's a God.

00:29:09.860 And if there is that chance, I should pay attention to it because, you know, even a one in a thousand

00:29:15.020 chance of entering eternity is a pretty big deal.

00:29:17.920 No, I'm going much further than that.

00:29:19.620 I'm saying there's a very, very strong probability that there is a God.

00:29:23.600 And that strong probability is the starting place for going out there, going to church,

00:29:31.760 reading books, praying, and seeing if you can have a relationship with this God, right?

00:29:37.600 So in the end, you can't, look, you can't think your way to a relationship with God because

00:29:42.780 it's a relationship, but you can think and reason your way to the point where you can say,

00:29:47.540 this is something I should be looking for.

00:29:50.160 This is something I should be doing.

00:29:51.780 It makes sense to seek, to knock and see if the door is opened unto you.

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00:30:06.100 We have Mr. Alan Dershowitz on with us.

00:30:09.820 Welcome, Alan.

00:30:10.680 How are you?

00:30:12.480 I'm great.

00:30:13.260 I can't wait for the entire list to be produced.

00:30:16.240 I want everything out there.

00:30:17.540 I want every videotape.

00:30:19.040 I want every photograph because they will prove that I had nothing to do with anything.

00:30:24.080 Indeed, the woman who accused me has now admitted publicly, withdrawn her lawsuit, admitted publicly

00:30:29.640 that she may have confused me with somebody else, misidentified me.

00:30:34.060 I wanted to show that, yes, I was on the island once with my wife and my 10-year-old daughter

00:30:39.420 when Jeffrey Epstein, who was his lawyer, had just bought the island and he wanted to show me the island.

00:30:45.200 There was nobody on the island except for me, Epstein and his workers, and a professor at Harvard named Michael Porter and his wife.

00:30:54.700 We had an intellectual dinner, left the next day, and so if my name is just on the list, oh, somebody who was on the island.

00:31:02.620 No, I want everything out there.

00:31:04.060 I want to explain, yes, I was on the island.

00:31:06.780 And yes, I was on his airplane.

00:31:08.680 I flew down on his airplane in order to represent him in front of the court and in front of the district attorney in Palm Beach County.

00:31:18.440 I was his lawyer, and as his lawyer, of course, I was in his home.

00:31:23.660 I never saw a young person.

00:31:25.740 I never saw a naked or semi-naked person.

00:31:28.780 I never saw anything inappropriate.

00:31:30.640 I never did anything inappropriate.

00:31:32.540 And the only woman who accused me has now admitted that she may have confused me with someone else,

00:31:38.380 misidentified me, and caused me over a million dollars in legal fees, expenses, and all kinds of difficulties.

00:31:44.600 So I want everything out there.

00:31:46.760 I want every word, every videotape, every tape, every black book, everything.

00:31:52.040 I want the world to see everything so they can make a judgment.

00:31:55.380 But what we shouldn't see is selective disclosures.

00:31:58.460 Oh, here's an address book that has so-and-so's name in it.

00:32:01.380 Bill Clinton's name is in it.

00:32:03.420 I'll never forget a situation.

00:32:05.180 I was having dinner.

00:32:06.000 This is an interesting story.

00:32:07.380 I was having dinner at the home of Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of the president,

00:32:11.100 and the other guest at the dinner was Bill Clinton.

00:32:13.800 And he was president of the United States, and my wife was there.

00:32:18.740 And the Secret Service man comes over to the president and gives him the phone and says,

00:32:23.060 somebody wants to talk to you.

00:32:24.780 Clinton walks away for about 15 minutes, and then he comes back and says,

00:32:28.000 Alan, somebody wants to talk to you.

00:32:29.900 And so I was curious, who the heck was President Clinton talking to for 15 minutes?

00:32:33.880 He hands the phone to me.

00:32:34.820 It's Jeffrey Epstein.

00:32:36.220 And I said, Mr. Epstein, what's up?

00:32:39.200 He said, well, I need your legal this and this and that.

00:32:41.440 And I had this legal issue and that legal issue.

00:32:43.600 We talked for a couple of minutes, made an appointment, and that was the end of the discussion.

00:32:47.340 But, you know, he's had conversations, obviously, in business dealings with Bill Gates.

00:32:51.880 He's had business dealings with Fidel Castro.

00:32:55.760 He went down to Cuba and met with Fidel Castro to try to help him on economic issues.

00:33:00.420 He met with presidents and governors and senators, and let's have it all out there.

00:33:06.660 Let people explain it.

00:33:07.740 I've spent, what, five years explaining my situation.

00:33:11.760 And, you know, obviously the world now knows that I was completely, totally, categorically,

00:33:17.280 falsely accused by a woman I never met, never heard of, and never saw,

00:33:22.380 and was never in the same place with in my entire life.

00:33:25.040 Okay.

00:33:25.280 So let's not jump to conclusions.

00:33:27.200 All right.

00:33:27.540 So what does it mean, do you think, his client list?

00:33:32.660 What does that mean, do you think?

00:33:34.620 I don't know that there is such a thing.

00:33:36.540 I've never seen such a thing as a client list.

00:33:38.560 Nobody claims that anybody paid for anything.

00:33:44.280 So I don't know what a client list would mean.

00:33:47.060 I think there is a, I know I've seen an address book.

00:33:50.620 And the address book, you know, has everybody in the world's name in it, you know, princes

00:33:55.340 and kings and economic moguls and you name it.

00:33:59.240 So there's that book.

00:34:00.900 There are also appointment books.

00:34:03.000 And there are plane logs.

00:34:04.720 And, for example, I'm on the plane logs, but always with other lawyers and never with

00:34:09.300 anybody young.

00:34:11.040 I've never been on a plane with him with anybody young or anybody suspicious.

00:34:14.860 So I would love to see the plane logs all out there.

00:34:18.040 I'd love to see the address book out there.

00:34:19.740 I want to see what kind of company I'm in, whoever, which other lawyers, you know, he

00:34:23.140 was represented by some of the biggest law firms in the country, Kirkland Ellis and some

00:34:27.760 of the others.

00:34:28.240 And the names of the lawyers, of course, are going to be on lists.

00:34:31.660 But one shouldn't confuse.

00:34:34.380 There is, as far as I know, I wish there were a list that said list of people who had

00:34:39.040 sex under Jeffrey Epstein's auspices.

00:34:42.140 I would love to see that list because, of course, I wouldn't be on it.

00:34:44.700 Um, and, uh, you know, Jeffrey once said to me, Alan, um, you have the happiest and best

00:34:50.580 marriage of anybody of all my friends.

00:34:52.880 Epstein was against marriage.

00:34:54.300 He said, you're the only person I've seen have a good marriage.

00:34:57.160 So, you know, there's no way he would ever have suggested in a trillion years.

00:35:01.520 Uh, I had sex with no human being other than my wife from the day I met Jeffrey Epstein.

00:35:07.080 I've sworn that under oath.

00:35:08.540 I proved it by my calendar references.

00:35:11.280 Nonetheless, I get every day I get emails.

00:35:15.360 I get websites accusing me of being a pedophile.

00:35:19.160 I have a lawsuit now, uh, against some anti-Israel person because the anti-Israel group has gotten

00:35:26.080 together and they all say, Oh, Dershowitz, how can you trust Dershowitz?

00:35:29.840 He was, he was on Epstein's list.

00:35:32.560 So they're still using the fact that I was Epstein's lawyer as a way of trying to diminish

00:35:37.860 my reputation as a pro-Israel advocate.

00:35:40.920 That's why it's important that everything be out there and everybody in the world know

00:35:44.740 that I never had any contact with anybody, uh, that was sexual or improper in the years

00:35:51.260 that I knew Jeffrey Epstein.

00:35:52.600 I am pleased to hear you say this because a guilty man would not say release everything.

00:35:59.280 Um, I said, by the way, the day I was falsely accused, this now 11 years ago, that day I

00:36:08.320 said, release everything, show everything.

00:36:11.440 I will produce all my memo books.

00:36:14.260 I have been memo books going back from the time I started teaching at Harvard and I will

00:36:18.060 claim no privileges.

00:36:19.340 I will not claim any privileges.

00:36:21.080 You can ask me any question.

00:36:22.600 You can ask me about anything that happened.

00:36:24.780 Uh, I'm an open book and I knew you can do the same with my wife and my children.

00:36:29.660 And, uh, of course, uh, my wife was interviewed and, uh, she and everybody else confirmed everything.

00:36:35.560 I have records, American express records, uh, purchase records proving that I couldn't have

00:36:41.980 been in any of the places that people claimed.

00:36:45.080 And I was in an inappropriate situation.

00:36:48.180 I was never in those places at all.

00:36:50.740 And certainly never during a period of time when anything improper could have taken place.

00:36:55.260 So the more that's out there, the better for an innocent person.

00:36:58.560 Okay.

00:36:59.140 So, uh, the thing that is surprising to me is you did go through five years of hell of people.

00:37:07.700 You, you had to, you had to prove you're innocent, 10 years, 10 years.

00:37:12.040 Okay.

00:37:12.300 How do you, how do you prove you're innocent?

00:37:13.980 Exactly.

00:37:14.500 Right.

00:37:15.080 So that's new.

00:37:16.000 And yeah, but I did, I was able to, because fortunately I keep very careful records because

00:37:20.600 I'm a lawyer.

00:37:21.300 I have to account for every hour, but I have careful records of every hour, which could

00:37:26.560 prove, and not only that, they're all backed up by American express.

00:37:29.520 They're all backed up by travel records.

00:37:32.340 But this is, this is what I wanted to talk to you about.

00:37:34.740 Um, uh, not you, but the possibility of witch hunts for other people that might be in your

00:37:43.960 category.

00:37:44.580 Look, I did business with him, et cetera, et cetera.

00:37:47.080 But I, because everybody's going to claim that everybody's going to say, Oh no, I know

00:37:51.900 I was down there and I blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:37:54.660 Some innocent people might be scooped up into this.

00:37:58.220 If it is his address book, how do you, how do we stop?

00:38:02.940 Saying to everybody, well, you're going to have to prove your innocence.

00:38:08.220 I think in America, we have a freedom of speech and we have transparency.

00:38:12.100 You let it all hang out and, uh, let the public judge based on the totality of the evidence.

00:38:17.840 The one thing that couldn't happen, that shouldn't happen.

00:38:19.840 And that did happen in this case, the judge in this case said, I'm letting this out, but

00:38:23.620 I'm not letting that out.

00:38:24.660 And the judge withheld information that would have proved innocence.

00:38:28.480 And that's what I'm afraid is happening in this case.

00:38:31.300 There are going to be people who are going to say, we want this to be out because it

00:38:34.340 shows suspicious conduct, but we're not going to let this out because it deals with, for

00:38:40.060 example, the credibility of the accusers.

00:38:42.920 And we're not going to let that out because we don't want anybody to attack the credibility

00:38:46.480 of accusers.

00:38:47.760 God forbid, even if there's a false accusation.

00:38:50.700 So the great fear is partial release.

00:38:53.900 It's like free speech.

00:38:54.980 The worst thing is that free speech for me, but not for the, and, uh, only some people

00:38:59.920 get to have free speech.

00:39:01.040 And here you have only some information that could be that raise questions about people

00:39:07.020 should be released.

00:39:07.780 But the information that proves the innocence is going to be withheld.

00:39:11.700 That's the problem.

00:39:13.660 Do you know for a fact there were tapes?

00:39:17.300 I hope so.

00:39:18.540 Uh, I was told there were tapes.

00:39:20.480 Um, but there were definitely some tapes.

00:39:22.480 The question is what the tapes were of.

00:39:24.880 We know it's a matter of record that, um, there was somebody who worked for him who

00:39:29.660 stole things.

00:39:30.640 And so the police in Palm beach installed tapes to try to catch the robber.

00:39:36.680 Now, whether they installed them in bedrooms, as well as in living areas, I don't know the

00:39:41.920 answer to that question.

00:39:42.780 I hope there were tapes of every single second.

00:39:45.960 And let's remember among who were accused.

00:39:48.180 And not only was I falsely accused, but, uh, the, the former, uh, uh, majority leader

00:39:54.420 of the Senate, uh, uh, Mitchell, he was accused of having sex.

00:39:58.040 And by the way, they were all accused of having unprotected sex with somebody who allegedly

00:40:04.000 had sex with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people.

00:40:06.480 Imagine any reasonable person having unprotected sex.

00:40:09.900 Uh, so it was, uh, uh, Mitchell, it was, um, the Senator Richardson was accused, the prime

00:40:16.900 minister of Israel, a hood Barak was accused, Andrew, David Copperfield, uh, Leonardo DiCaprio, 0.92

00:40:25.380 Al Gore, Richard Branson, Stephen Hawking, which that one, I believe Michael Jackson.

00:40:30.960 And they had a story, they had a story of me and, and, and, uh, this man in a wheelchair

00:40:38.400 together, attending an orgy.

00:40:40.340 I mean, I just imagine the idea of me trying to jump over the wheelchair to get at some 1.00

00:40:44.120 young, you know, it's, it's, some of it is the most bizarre, preposterous thing.

00:40:48.960 Um, uh, and, and, and, you know, some of the, some of the allegations themselves, you

00:40:55.140 know, prove questions about the credibility, but the important point is all should come

00:41:01.900 out.

00:41:02.220 Everything.

00:41:02.820 There shouldn't be anything withheld right now.

00:41:05.280 The courts are withholding certain of the information because they don't want information

00:41:10.000 out there that could cast doubts on the credibility of the accusers.

00:41:13.540 And that's just not fair.

00:41:15.360 Yeah.

00:41:15.700 If you're going to accuse, you have to have everything out there.

00:41:18.660 You can't have it selective.

00:41:19.720 I have to tell you, I am for radical transparency.

00:41:22.520 I'm concerned about witch hunts, but I am for radical transparency because these names

00:41:27.460 held in secret and having some things held in secret, not everything out.

00:41:31.840 It just, uh, provides the opportunity for blackmail and, and everything else.

00:41:36.500 It's too much information for any one agency or, or any government or anybody to hold and

00:41:44.060 have over the heads of people.

00:41:45.580 Cause when you don't know what's in there, uh, and you don't know, you know, you, there

00:41:50.720 might be exonerating things for you in this information, but they can hold it back.

00:41:54.600 That's really, really dangerous.

00:41:56.660 Terrible.

00:41:56.980 Look, I was subject to blackmail.

00:41:58.700 Uh, uh, as a result of all this, I was canceled as a speaker at the 92nd street.

00:42:03.640 Why canceled as a speaker at temple Emanuel in New York, the largest reform temple in the

00:42:09.240 United States, um, canceled all over the country, uh, as a speaker, uh, canceled basically by

00:42:16.440 the New York times, um, just as a result of an accusation, which has now been, uh, the

00:42:22.680 legally withdrawn and the woman admitted that, you know, she may have confused me with somebody

00:42:27.040 else, but just as a result of the accusation, that's why I wrote a book called guilt by accusation.

00:42:32.640 Not now I don't stand by everything in the book, cause a lot of things have changed since

00:42:36.900 that book was published sub seven or eight years ago.

00:42:39.500 But again, who would publish a book, uh, laying it all out if they had anything to hide, I have

00:42:45.500 nothing to hide about my sex life.

00:42:47.920 Um, and, uh, you know, you talk about perfect attendance, use the word perfect in terms of

00:42:52.800 attendance.

00:42:53.360 You would say I had perfect attendance.

00:42:55.440 I've had a perfect sex life in the sense that since the day I met Jeffrey Epstein, I never,

00:43:00.940 ever, ever violated any vows or did anything improper.

00:43:05.620 And anybody who knows me knows that.

00:43:07.960 And yet half the world believes that I was guilty of charges, even though they've been

00:43:13.420 essentially, uh, the woman admitted, she may have confused me with somebody else.

00:43:17.700 Alan, I know I'm going to, I'm going to get heat from some members of this audience for

00:43:23.400 having you on, uh, cause I do every time because they're like, they're convinced.

00:43:27.180 And I'm like, well, you know what?

00:43:28.520 Um, a court wasn't convinced she took her, uh, her accusations back and he's been straight

00:43:36.520 up, I think with all of us.

00:43:38.300 And I don't think that there's, you know, what else happened?

00:43:41.400 People don't forget this.

00:43:43.200 Yeah.

00:43:43.620 Four or five days after I was accused, I wrote an op-ed for the wall street journal, inviting,

00:43:48.860 inviting the FBI to investigate me saying I will have no privileges.

00:43:53.260 I will answer every question.

00:43:55.360 I will produce every document.

00:43:56.860 Have you ever heard of a guilty person asking for an investigation by the FBI?

00:44:02.260 And I was upset the FBI didn't investigate me because if they did, obviously they would

00:44:06.480 have concluded as now, I think any reasonable person included that I was either, either the

00:44:12.400 victim of a false identification.

00:44:14.020 The woman admitted she may have confused me with somebody else or a deliberate plot.

00:44:19.240 I've been subject to blackmail.

00:44:21.060 I've said to every blackmailer, produce it.

00:44:24.320 Of course, I'm not paying you a nickel.

00:44:25.640 I never paid a nickel, uh, to any, and I never would pay a nickel to anybody who falsely

00:44:30.180 accused me.

00:44:30.740 That's the wrong tactic to take always.

00:44:33.080 Alan Dershowitz, uh, host of the, uh, Dershow and, uh, you can follow him, uh, to

00:44:37.940 Dershowitz.substack.com or on Twitter at Alan Dershowitz, Alan, thank you very much.

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