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Summary
On today's episode of the Glenbeck Program, we delve into the story of a man who was taken to a nursing home by his wife, who was at his side the whole time, and was she even safe? Plus, an incredible story from a man named Joe Connor about how something that happened to him and his family in 1975 could affect you today.
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hello america it is friday and you've got the podcast to end the week in the right way a lot
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of fun today uh plus we delve into some of the other things that are going on for instance uh
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jeffrey epstein we have two journalists who are actually doing journalism and looking into what
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happened to jeffrey epstein what's about to happen with the woman who was at his side the whole time
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is she even safe also an incredible story from joe connor i read this story a couple of days ago
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at townhall.com it's something that happened to him and his family in 1975 this is the problem with
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erasing history or not knowing it how could something that happened in his family in 1975
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affect you today oh wait until you hear this story because it affects your life big time
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you're listening to the best of the glenbeck program
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pat um you are a guy who really i mean you understand the english language like very few
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people do um so i was hoping because i think he's speaking english i was hoping you could
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translate and tell me what joe biden was talking about uh or what he's trying to say here okay live
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on abc here he is listen he knows i believe this every fiber might be we're posed proposed i what i
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proposed is is it can be done i think we're in a position to really make it happen yeah and my team
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and your team are already working closely together and like to light up the path forward here i don't
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have a team critical laws like the pro act to strengthen collective bargaining the pro act
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on politics like prevailing and look look yes i'm i'm getting i'm taking too much time it's too
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deep right now and the he's too deep that is his defense look he got hey so what i don't know what
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i don't know what was he saying here uh pad because you know we missed the very first word could you
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play that again we missed the very first word too because it was an interesting word choice
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play it lonnie knows i believe this every fiber might be we're posed we're posed we're posed okay
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lonnie knows lonnie knows that he believes this with every fiber of his being we're posed we're posed
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okay so i think the man is ready to lead i think he's ready to lead yes he's ready to lead us right
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to a nursing home yeah that's where can i tell you something uh wow can i tell you something and
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it would be the fitting ending for 2020 wouldn't it yes yeah it really would yeah i yeah i mean yeah
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i if the if this guy is elected you're actually voting for his vice presidential choice uh for the top
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of the ticket yes you just have to understand that if you're going to vote for joe biden you know not
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long into his first term the vice president will be the president of the united states
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i just really believe that lonnie knows well he knows we're posed we're posed we're posed and his
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team and my team we're working together well but look i didn't know that i look yeah look i i i've
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i've said too much i i et cetera i love that there's something i really love about the defense mechanism
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it's like whenever he screws something up badly enough he just says he's been talking too long yeah
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it's like most people are able to just continue to talk and get through all the sentences with the
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words in the right order you've literally been talking for about 10 seconds you really haven't
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said that much you haven't okay no you can we play it one more time because i think it's so deep
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uh what he said here lonnie knows i believe this every fiber might be we're posed we're posed
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what i proposed is is it can be done what we're in a position to really make it happen to be done
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and my team and your team uh-huh already working closely together and like to light up the path
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forward here maybe critical laws like proact to strengthen collective bargaining on politics like
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prevailing and look failing and look yes i'm getting i'm taking too much time but you know
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look i'm just getting senile um look i'm just getting senile here and i think we all know that
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so i should just stop talking there is an interesting thing that goes on with biden where
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he's not completely gone because he's still able to catch that he sounds like an idiot in the middle
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of it yeah but he's still catching these things like opposed you know crap uh what i propose and
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then he corrects himself he's still at the level where he can recognize his moments of senility
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that's not gonna last forever but what he proposed was we can do this what what you're
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what you're proposing no what he proposed was look look we can do this right right look and we can
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do this he gets so far down the road and realizes there's no it's a dead end right there's no there's
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nowhere else to go so then he that's when he says look i'm just i've been driving too long that
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you know we're just gonna pull the car over on the side of the road right here and call it a day
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all right honestly would you if this was your grandpa and he said hey kids uh everybody pile
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into the car i'm gonna i'm gonna take us for a drive would anyone in your family maybe say hey
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grandpa how about if i drive yeah or is he still driving in your family nope no absolutely not driving
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no no no no this is this is crazy crazy um all right let me let me change uh subjects um the
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supreme court uh has ruled that half of oklahoma belongs to the indian tribe uh and so i mean it's like
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half of tulsa yeah um and and and and really what they did gorsuch was right in what he what he ruled
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congress never said the treaty is up they never said that so if they think the treaty is up then
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they're gonna have to act unlike what john roberts did with obamacare he didn't change the law because
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he knows the supreme court justice can't change the law so actually the one i think is wrong on this
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one is john roberts because he's again saying oh yeah but this is what they really meant no no they if
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they they have to do it if that's what they mean well i mean you know that's not just roberts though
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there that was clarence thomas and alito and i know i know i mean so and their argument was more
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about how it was handled in the process and who should be responsible for it but um but but it
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does seem like the as tip as is typical the reason this issue exists is because congress just wasn't
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clear and did their job plus the issue really yeah for me is that they took the whole cherokee nation
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and they they put us on that reservation you know they took away our way of life the tomahawk the
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bro and knife what your way of life what are you yeah uh they took away our native tongue
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and uh taught their english to our young you're young yeah you're not all the beads you know it's
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really all the beads we made by hand you know where they're made nowadays where in japan or maybe even
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more nowadays china indonesia still yeah so vietnam maybe okay korea okay okay you know what's
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interesting about the cherokee nation is you know on the trail of tears which i think i think
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andrew jackson was a monster he was a monster uh he was corrupt he was a democrat by the way um he
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was corrupt he did not care he was a racist he put them on the trail of tears uh and did take away
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their land and and broke all the treaties and everything else and he did it for greed personal
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gain now with that being said i just would like to point out uh that uh the cherokee nation on the
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trail of tears uh they did travel uh with their african-american slaves so let's just
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keep that into perspective that per capita the cherokee nation owned more slaves than white people did
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uh and uh slavery wasn't a white thing uh because they were enslaving you know uh other tribes before
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we ever got here um and they didn't release their slaves until two years after america released hers but
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uh but let's not talk about that that's inconvenient you don't want to hear about that that doesn't
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really fit what we're talking about yeah i don't even know what you're saying in fact are you speaking
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english i don't think so i mean with someone to make a point that dumb get into the radio hall of
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fame no it can't happen it can't happen it cannot happen you need you know who you need it's not going
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to you need wait wait from npr because uh what wait what wait wait don't tell me from npr oh they don't even
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name the people that are going in it's just show wait wait don't tell me it's just show
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so you're putting a show in the radio hall of fame all right well whatever yeah yeah yeah i think
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you're right john and ken deserve deserve to go instead of you but um
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if you get turned down i don't mind luke if you get turned down for the second straight year i'm gonna
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be pissed i was pissed last year and are you yes i'll be doubly and so i know that means a lot to
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the radio hall of fame people so just know you're gonna get the wrath of pat the guy who didn't get
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foreigner into the rock and roll hall of fame will be coming after you still working on it though
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we're still in there did you see in the uh long-standing in the long-standing local show
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category the mark and brian are actually up this year too which would be kind of cool to see those
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guys are good too yeah really good those guys are great yeah bob rivers i mean there's some really
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big names in there that that could go and i don't know if they only can only one get in in each category
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is that how it works or yes that's how it works it's kind of like you know for your consideration
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it's the oscar thing you know okay all right and it's an honor just to be nominated
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if you lose this you're not going to be saying that after this year are you it's it's an honor just
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to be nominated that won't be a thing after this year i mean look i i think no i didn't i haven't
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said that sincerely last year or this year no it's about winning okay i definitely think uh you know look
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glenn has had a quite a career even though obviously pat and i have been really responsible
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for all the good things but i mean when you come down to it wait does glenn deserve to be in the
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hall of fame sure but would i rather have him have to suffer it out until year five yes
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the last on the last vote you know i i saw that i was nominated yesterday and i and i looked it up
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and i because i thought i'm susan lucci i will be nominated 18 times and i will never get into the
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uh and no they have a special rule you can only be nominated five times and then after that they're
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like look this loser's not getting in so stop it okay just stop it uh but the audience can vote
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starting monday is that right i believe so yeah i believe it is monday yeah uh so you know are they
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going to vote for stephanie miller just to spite you or uh wait wait don't tell me from npr uh probably
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if if i lose to the npr people i think this audience you know this audience yeah i hear just
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to be funny just to be funny just to be funny yep i could see that happening so if i lose to npr it
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will be just for the laughs i know i know this audience and i thank you for that i really do
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and i'll be laughing it'll be funny the npr don't don't or wait wait or stop stop or whatever that
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show is man that's gonna be good it's gonna be good uh all right thank you pat uh pat gray unleashed
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and i think this is reasonable he was charismatic he had a lot of money um he had powerful friends
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and so you could think that he was going to get away with it but i i don't understand why these
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very famous influential people um uh if if they knew why they would hang out with him or participate
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at all just the chances of being blackmailed uh would be off the charts
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well certainly some felt that way uh and some didn't but but i think the shocking
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the shocking realization is that so many people didn't feel that way and very prominent people
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academics financiers media um and i think that's that's a surprising thing yeah i i think i had a
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well the character of the people that were riding on the plane exactly to do yeah to do so to continue
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to associate with him especially after um you know his first arrest in 2000 florida yeah yeah yeah so
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elena i i had a uh i had a a very important uh person in the art world in new york city tell me that
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um you know when you look into some of the the into the art world in new york it is human trafficking
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it's i mean it made some incredible claims and as i was looking into this and i saw how he was so
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influential um and the the people at the uh what's the big art school um that he would uh support the
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the person that was in charge of that that was saying no no you could get more money over here but
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you are going to sell your work to this person and he's going to help do you think they had any
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idea what was going on or did they just see this as money well um you know i i don't know in that
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specific instance but i will say i mean i will say that's horrifying because especially as a young art
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student you know you're trying it's it's extremely hard to make it in that industry professionally and
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you have somebody who has this power over your career um putting that immense pressure on you
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so um yeah it's a it's an it's an awful situation and and that was kind of what epstein was able to do
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he was able to see these people individuals who have levers of power and he was able to use that he was
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uh extremely manipulative and uh good at conning people
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so daniel you said earlier that now the federal government believes that uh maxwell was was his
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partner in crime uh that was not believed for a while and how much danger is she in now in prison
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well the only reason i say it wasn't believed until now is because she's been running free and uh you
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know i think a lot of people imagine that she had she feared that the american government was coming
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after her she would have left america she has two other passports in addition to an american passport
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she had you know the feds estimate 20 million dollars she has the means and the access to go
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elsewhere and she didn't so i think that's the biggest sign we have that she didn't fear the government
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so uh we have uh epstein in prison now uh and he's finally been nailed uh is there anything that
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shows why this happened this time why the government seemed to take it seriously and
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well i think the biggest thing was donald trump got elected and i know it seems totally disconnected but
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as you'll recall he his labor secretary was alex acosta and alex acosta was the prosecutor in
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florida who um came under criticism for going soft on jeffrey epstein the first time so in a weird way
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i think at least that the connection between donald trump getting a lot i mean in a weird way i think
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like if hillary clinton gets elected sort of the jeffrey epstein story goes away and in a weird way
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it was the media trying to go after donald trump that you know then went after alex acosta and
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therefore reignited this firestorm around epstein so it was a weird confluence of events that
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in my mind uh leads to jeffrey epstein being locked up okay so now he's locked up and you guys really
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went in and you talked to everybody did you do you have an opinion i know you're both journalists so
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you probably won't give it but do you have an opinion on whether or not this was a suicide or assisted
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um well we think based on who we talked to and the investigation it's really hard to dismiss foul play
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and we think that there are legitimate questions about the story that we've been told by the government
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on this one so i mean we tell me who actually worked in the prison who said this doesn't you know
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doesn't make it sense um it would be extremely difficult for him to kill himself in that way
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without any sort of outside help so give me the give me the outline of the case that he couldn't
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have done it himself let's start with the cameras cameras went out anything suspicious there and the
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other cameras that were around there showed that there was nobody coming in yes um so the the fact
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that the cameras weren't working so talking to people who had worked in that facility at mcc which
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was the facility where he died um they said that for such a high profile prisoner you would have those
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cameras noticed immediately that they were not working and they would be fixed within five minutes
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because this was i mean you know this was not just some run-of-the-mill prisoner it was jeffrey epstein he
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was uh certainly the most high profile person who was at that institution at the time and he had
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allegedly already attempted suicide before that um you know just a month before so the so yeah they said
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that it's it's really hard to believe that the cameras wouldn't wouldn't have been noticed within
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minutes and fixed and the fact that this is multiple cameras we're talking about here
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so the the cellmate that he had was transferred out and never replaced how odd was that
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and and that also was very strange because typically what they do um at mcc is when they
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when they transfer one person out of a cell they they move the other person and at the same time
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it's just easier that way you know you you you say all right you you're out you're in um
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you know you're doing it all at the same time um jeffrey epstein was also um under
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his medical uh doctors they had advised that he should have always had a cellmate because of the
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first alleged suicide attempt which i just want to add also jeffrey epstein denied that he had tried
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to commit suicide that first time and he told his lawyers a different story um but yeah he was supposed
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to be at all times in a cell with a cellmate and that cellmate was transferred out uh the day prior
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the day prior to his death and was not replaced okay so wait a minute daniel tell me about the
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doctors he said uh the doctors said that he was suicidal tried to kill himself but he said to his
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lawyers that that wasn't true which one do you believe in and why is there this disparity well i guess
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you know we should concede that we'll never know but i think jeffrey epstein um there's no reason
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to believe that he was lying to his lawyers uh also i mean he he led his lawyers to believe that it
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was some sort of joke gone awry yeah maybe he was lying you know if you want to believe it maybe you
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want to maybe he was lying so that he could commit suicide later uh if if you want to but i i don't
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think the doctors were necessarily lying i think they they just they they just weren't on the same page i
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mean people can have that disagreement about uh various facts and these kinds of scenarios and i
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think you know i think another aspect of this of course is the physical evidence and we talked to
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dr michael bodden independent pathologist who who oversaw uh the the autopsy and he said that the
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physical evidence suggests is that it was a homicide that it's more consistent with a homicide than a
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the way that the neck is broken and the various physical evidence is is compelling according to
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him yeah and he's also dr michael bodden so he's very well respected forensic pathologist he was hired
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by epstein's brother um after his death to oversee the autopsy kind of be an independent monitor
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for the government government's autopsy and dr bodden has been on a panel since the 1970s that looks at
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every single death in the new york state prison system this was a panel that was started by
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a governor rockefeller and so he has looked at you know just every every suicide that has taken place
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in the prison system and he said not once prior did he have a case where you saw the same bone breakage
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uh as he did with epstein he said there was three there were three separate bones that were broken in
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his neck and he said you just can't recall any suicide um where that happened so i think that is
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pretty compelling he found that this was much more consistent with a homicide
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so who could have pulled this off i mean you know if you if you're into conspiracy theories uh on the
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right you've you've met somebody who has said oh the clintons they kill everybody they've killed like
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570 people so far um yeah but you know i don't believe that hitler you know hillary was donning a mask
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at night and i'm not sure that they have that kind of control who would have the access and the
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ability to pull this off besides an intelligence community well when we talked to uh epstein's lawyer
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uh david shown who is a long time defense attorney worked with you know worked for years on cases like
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this and had his clients die in prison um you know he he said that he thinks somebody killed epstein he
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doesn't think that it was the clintons he said i don't think the clintons did it i just think it was
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a regular somebody killed him so his his idea is that this may have been another inmate um you know dr
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michael botting kind of walked us through that scenario as well in the book um in addition to people who had
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worked at mcc who we spoke to who said the way it could have happened is if one of the other cells
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in epstein's um you know his area was left open um or just left unlocked and epstein cell was left that
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unlocked and the guards just turned a blind eye to this um i think it's interesting to note too that after
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epstein was found dead then you know more around 6 30 a.m uh on that morning the other prisoners were all
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pulled out of their cells and transferred to a different location in the prison um
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so we don't know were these people ever interviewed like were they you know what what did they witness
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um i i just think it's interesting that they were immediately transferred well i mean if i were
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going to if i had the power um the way i would do it is i would go to a prisoner there and say hey listen
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you know it'd be a shame if this ever happened and you found your uh cell unlocked and his cell was
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unlocked and who knows what could happen maybe i could help you out down the road i mean you know that
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that that's are you suggesting that this was just somebody in the block that was like i want to kill
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somebody oh his door is unlocked or do you believe that there was some sort of a uh a prompting from
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somebody um i mean i could have been either go ahead dan either no no you go you go okay i mean i think
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you know i don't know if you've seen the godfather but yeah i think you can you can always kind of get
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to somebody in prison if you want to get to them so uh yeah i think that okay i think it could have
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been either one in that case so so galane is that's offender so he's what he's really got a target on his
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back um right high profile prisoner okay so galane is supposed to appear in court today um do you
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believe barr when he says she is going to be the most guarded person in prison history that nothing's
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going to happen to her uh and will she speak out to save herself well you have to be a little skeptical
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of bill barr uh considering that after jeffrey epstein had died he announced a big investigation
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that we'd get to the bottom of this and ever since then it's been total silence um he of course it's not
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as though jeffrey epstein wasn't a high profile uh inmate because of course he was and of course
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you know he was supposed to be taking precautions then so i think you do have to be skeptical
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as far as maxwell from her point of view look she's facing 35 years in prison she's nearly 60
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years old it would be effectively a life sentence and assuming she gets to trial and assuming or or
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assuming she's alive you would think that she would be willing to play ball with prosecutors and try to
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work some sort of deal so that she wouldn't be facing life in prison now i don't know how much
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she's willing to give but i i'd imagine uh you know prison is not something that she's going to like
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it's not it's not in her dna not that it's in anybody else's but she she i think she's i think
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she it's very possible that she talks if given the chance is this a story that either of you have
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confidence we are going to know in our lifetime what happened yeah you mean what happened with
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epstein's death or what happened yeah and what yeah with the entire operation whether he was
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you know uh uh working for the government in some capacity or if he was you know killed in prison
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are we going to know uh what happened you know i i hope i'm hopeful but i'm i'm i'm mixed so i don't
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know if you saw but on on twitter a couple days ago the former ceo of uh reddit said something like
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well we saw gillaine maxwell at these parties you know 15 years ago and we all knew that she was
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procuring young women and um right she of course came under attack and people were saying well if
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you knew about it why didn't you do anything and and you know which is of course a reasonable thing
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to ask somebody who said that but her reaction of course was to go silent and to uh hide her twitter
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account and things like that so i think there's no incentive if you're involved or you had any knowledge
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to speak out about this it just it just right damning towards you so that i think i i think
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that's a strike against us ever finding the truth is that people don't have incentives if you call up
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the rich and famous who were close to him you know like how come bill clinton has never given an
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interview about jeffrey epstein they just sort of released a statement that washes their hands and then
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they step back they're not pressed to give answers about what they knew when they knew and what they did about
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it um alana um alana goodman uh and daniel halper uh they are co-authors of the book a convenient
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death this is a fascinating story and we're just at the beginning of it thank you guys so much for
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being on and sharing your information i appreciate it again a convenient death the mysterious demise
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of jeffrey epstein available wherever you buy your books