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00:00:00.000 hello america it is friday and you've got the podcast to end the week in the right way a lot

00:00:07.700 of fun today uh plus we delve into some of the other things that are going on for instance uh

00:00:14.620 jeffrey epstein we have two journalists who are actually doing journalism and looking into what

00:00:21.400 happened to jeffrey epstein what's about to happen with the woman who was at his side the whole time

00:00:27.860 is she even safe also an incredible story from joe connor i read this story a couple of days ago

00:00:35.780 at townhall.com it's something that happened to him and his family in 1975 this is the problem with

00:00:44.260 erasing history or not knowing it how could something that happened in his family in 1975

00:00:49.560 affect you today oh wait until you hear this story because it affects your life big time

00:00:56.040 disturbing all on today's podcast

00:01:00.000 you're listening to the best of the glenbeck program

00:01:10.300 pat um you are a guy who really i mean you understand the english language like very few

00:01:22.520 people do um so i was hoping because i think he's speaking english i was hoping you could

00:01:28.660 translate and tell me what joe biden was talking about uh or what he's trying to say here okay live

00:01:36.780 on abc here he is listen he knows i believe this every fiber might be we're posed proposed i what i

00:01:45.480 proposed is is it can be done i think we're in a position to really make it happen yeah and my team

00:01:53.580 and your team are already working closely together and like to light up the path forward here i don't

00:01:59.380 have a team critical laws like the pro act to strengthen collective bargaining the pro act

00:02:03.220 on politics like prevailing and look look yes i'm i'm getting i'm taking too much time it's too

00:02:10.240 deep right now and the he's too deep that is his defense look he got hey so what i don't know what

00:02:15.140 i don't know what was he saying here uh pad because you know we missed the very first word could you

00:02:22.020 play that again we missed the very first word too because it was an interesting word choice

00:02:25.680 play it lonnie knows i believe this every fiber might be we're posed we're posed we're posed okay

00:02:31.880 lonnie knows lonnie knows that he believes this with every fiber of his being we're posed we're posed

00:02:41.860 okay so i think the man is ready to lead i think he's ready to lead yes he's ready to lead us right

00:02:51.260 to a nursing home yeah that's where can i tell you something uh wow can i tell you something and

00:02:57.060 it would be the fitting ending for 2020 wouldn't it yes yeah it really would yeah i yeah i mean yeah

00:03:03.440 i if the if this guy is elected you're actually voting for his vice presidential choice uh for the top

00:03:12.960 of the ticket yes you just have to understand that if you're going to vote for joe biden you know not

00:03:18.720 long into his first term the vice president will be the president of the united states

00:03:22.640 i just really believe that lonnie knows well he knows we're posed we're posed we're posed and his

00:03:29.540 team and my team we're working together well but look i didn't know that i look yeah look i i i've

00:03:36.020 i've said too much i i et cetera i love that there's something i really love about the defense mechanism

00:03:42.580 it's like whenever he screws something up badly enough he just says he's been talking too long yeah

00:03:47.000 it's like most people are able to just continue to talk and get through all the sentences with the

00:03:51.320 words in the right order you've literally been talking for about 10 seconds you really haven't

00:03:55.260 said that much you haven't okay no you can we play it one more time because i think it's so deep

00:04:00.740 uh what he said here lonnie knows i believe this every fiber might be we're posed we're posed

00:04:07.680 what i proposed is is it can be done what we're in a position to really make it happen to be done

00:04:15.660 and my team and your team uh-huh already working closely together and like to light up the path

00:04:21.700 forward here maybe critical laws like proact to strengthen collective bargaining on politics like

00:04:27.780 prevailing and look failing and look yes i'm getting i'm taking too much time but you know

00:04:34.000 look i'm just getting senile um look i'm just getting senile here and i think we all know that

00:04:39.640 so i should just stop talking there is an interesting thing that goes on with biden where 0.99

00:04:43.040 he's not completely gone because he's still able to catch that he sounds like an idiot in the middle 0.96

00:04:48.240 of it yeah but he's still catching these things like opposed you know crap uh what i propose and 0.98

00:04:53.480 then he corrects himself he's still at the level where he can recognize his moments of senility

00:04:58.780 that's not gonna last forever but what he proposed was we can do this what what you're

00:05:05.540 what you're proposing no what he proposed was look look we can do this right right look and we can

00:05:13.880 do this he gets so far down the road and realizes there's no it's a dead end right there's no there's

00:05:18.460 nowhere else to go so then he that's when he says look i'm just i've been driving too long that

00:05:23.060 you know we're just gonna pull the car over on the side of the road right here and call it a day

00:05:27.060 all right honestly would you if this was your grandpa and he said hey kids uh everybody pile

00:05:36.140 into the car i'm gonna i'm gonna take us for a drive would anyone in your family maybe say hey

00:05:44.940 grandpa how about if i drive yeah or is he still driving in your family nope no absolutely not driving

00:05:53.640 no no no no this is this is crazy crazy um all right let me let me change uh subjects um the

00:06:04.840 supreme court uh has ruled that half of oklahoma belongs to the indian tribe uh and so i mean it's like

00:06:16.440 half of tulsa yeah um and and and and really what they did gorsuch was right in what he what he ruled

00:06:25.480 congress never said the treaty is up they never said that so if they think the treaty is up then

00:06:35.440 they're gonna have to act unlike what john roberts did with obamacare he didn't change the law because

00:06:43.640 he knows the supreme court justice can't change the law so actually the one i think is wrong on this

00:06:50.720 one is john roberts because he's again saying oh yeah but this is what they really meant no no they if

00:06:59.740 they they have to do it if that's what they mean well i mean you know that's not just roberts though

00:07:04.380 there that was clarence thomas and alito and i know i know i mean so and their argument was more

00:07:09.560 about how it was handled in the process and who should be responsible for it but um but but it

00:07:14.660 does seem like the as tip as is typical the reason this issue exists is because congress just wasn't

00:07:20.240 clear and did their job plus the issue really yeah for me is that they took the whole cherokee nation 0.97

00:07:26.160 and they they put us on that reservation you know they took away our way of life the tomahawk the

00:07:32.860 bro and knife what your way of life what are you yeah uh they took away our native tongue

00:07:37.500 and uh taught their english to our young you're young yeah you're not all the beads you know it's

00:07:44.220 really all the beads we made by hand you know where they're made nowadays where in japan or maybe even

00:07:49.480 more nowadays china indonesia still yeah so vietnam maybe okay korea okay okay you know what's

00:07:56.740 interesting about the cherokee nation is you know on the trail of tears which i think i think 0.82

00:08:01.980 andrew jackson was a monster he was a monster uh he was corrupt he was a democrat by the way um he 0.97

00:08:09.040 was corrupt he did not care he was a racist he put them on the trail of tears uh and did take away 1.00

00:08:16.260 their land and and broke all the treaties and everything else and he did it for greed personal

00:08:20.700 gain now with that being said i just would like to point out uh that uh the cherokee nation on the

00:08:28.520 trail of tears uh they did travel uh with their african-american slaves so let's just 0.80

00:08:39.280 keep that into perspective that per capita the cherokee nation owned more slaves than white people did

00:08:50.100 uh and uh slavery wasn't a white thing uh because they were enslaving you know uh other tribes before

00:09:00.860 we ever got here um and they didn't release their slaves until two years after america released hers but

00:09:11.160 uh but let's not talk about that that's inconvenient you don't want to hear about that that doesn't

00:09:16.980 really fit what we're talking about yeah i don't even know what you're saying in fact are you speaking

00:09:22.360 english i don't think so i mean with someone to make a point that dumb get into the radio hall of

00:09:26.820 fame no it can't happen it can't happen it cannot happen you need you know who you need it's not going

00:09:31.660 to you need wait wait from npr because uh what wait what wait wait don't tell me from npr oh they don't even

00:09:39.640 name the people that are going in it's just show wait wait don't tell me it's just show

00:09:44.560 so you're putting a show in the radio hall of fame all right well whatever yeah yeah yeah i think

00:09:52.520 you're right john and ken deserve deserve to go instead of you but um

00:09:57.320 if you get turned down i don't mind luke if you get turned down for the second straight year i'm gonna

00:10:05.820 be pissed i was pissed last year and are you yes i'll be doubly and so i know that means a lot to

00:10:10.900 the radio hall of fame people so just know you're gonna get the wrath of pat the guy who didn't get

00:10:18.840 foreigner into the rock and roll hall of fame will be coming after you still working on it though

00:10:24.660 we're still in there did you see in the uh long-standing in the long-standing local show

00:10:33.980 category the mark and brian are actually up this year too which would be kind of cool to see those

00:10:38.480 guys are good too yeah really good those guys are great yeah bob rivers i mean there's some really

00:10:43.220 big names in there that that could go and i don't know if they only can only one get in in each category

00:10:49.040 is that how it works or yes that's how it works it's kind of like you know for your consideration

00:10:54.080 it's the oscar thing you know okay all right and it's an honor just to be nominated

00:10:59.420 if you lose this you're not going to be saying that after this year are you it's it's an honor just

00:11:06.520 to be nominated that won't be a thing after this year i mean look i i think no i didn't i haven't

00:11:11.080 said that sincerely last year or this year no it's about winning okay i definitely think uh you know look

00:11:17.580 glenn has had a quite a career even though obviously pat and i have been really responsible

00:11:21.880 for all the good things but i mean when you come down to it wait does glenn deserve to be in the

00:11:25.500 hall of fame sure but would i rather have him have to suffer it out until year five yes

00:11:30.760 the last on the last vote you know i i saw that i was nominated yesterday and i and i looked it up

00:11:40.320 and i because i thought i'm susan lucci i will be nominated 18 times and i will never get into the

00:11:46.520 uh and no they have a special rule you can only be nominated five times and then after that they're

00:11:53.400 like look this loser's not getting in so stop it okay just stop it uh but the audience can vote

00:12:02.060 starting monday is that right i believe so yeah i believe it is monday yeah uh so you know are they 0.92

00:12:09.480 going to vote for stephanie miller just to spite you or uh wait wait don't tell me from npr uh probably

00:12:15.440 if if i lose to the npr people i think this audience you know this audience yeah i hear just

00:12:21.320 to be funny just to be funny just to be funny yep i could see that happening so if i lose to npr it

00:12:30.960 will be just for the laughs i know i know this audience and i thank you for that i really do

00:12:37.100 and i'll be laughing it'll be funny the npr don't don't or wait wait or stop stop or whatever that

00:12:45.900 show is man that's gonna be good it's gonna be good uh all right thank you pat uh pat gray unleashed

00:12:53.740 is heard on uh the blaze radio network and you can hear it every day um prior to this show or you can

00:13:01.740 grab it wherever you get your podcasts the best of the glenn beck program

00:13:08.140 and i think this is reasonable he was charismatic he had a lot of money um he had powerful friends

00:13:19.920 and so you could think that he was going to get away with it but i i don't understand why these

00:13:25.320 very famous influential people um uh if if they knew why they would hang out with him or participate

00:13:35.160 at all just the chances of being blackmailed uh would be off the charts

00:13:41.580 well certainly some felt that way uh and some didn't but but i think the shocking

00:13:48.720 the shocking realization is that so many people didn't feel that way and very prominent people

00:13:55.180 academics financiers media um and i think that's that's a surprising thing yeah i i think i had a

00:14:03.560 well the character of the people that were riding on the plane exactly to do yeah to do so to continue

00:14:15.180 to associate with him especially after um you know his first arrest in 2000 florida yeah yeah yeah so

00:14:23.300 elena i i had a uh i had a a very important uh person in the art world in new york city tell me that

00:14:32.920 um you know when you look into some of the the into the art world in new york it is human trafficking

00:14:41.200 it's i mean it made some incredible claims and as i was looking into this and i saw how he was so

00:14:48.080 influential um and the the people at the uh what's the big art school um that he would uh support the

00:14:56.600 the person that was in charge of that that was saying no no you could get more money over here but

00:15:04.400 you are going to sell your work to this person and he's going to help do you think they had any

00:15:11.880 idea what was going on or did they just see this as money well um you know i i don't know in that

00:15:20.860 specific instance but i will say i mean i will say that's horrifying because especially as a young art

00:15:25.600 student you know you're trying it's it's extremely hard to make it in that industry professionally and

00:15:31.360 you have somebody who has this power over your career um putting that immense pressure on you

00:15:37.400 so um yeah it's a it's an it's an awful situation and and that was kind of what epstein was able to do

00:15:44.480 he was able to see these people individuals who have levers of power and he was able to use that he was

00:15:51.240 uh extremely manipulative and uh good at conning people

00:15:56.320 so daniel you said earlier that now the federal government believes that uh maxwell was was his

00:16:07.060 partner in crime uh that was not believed for a while and how much danger is she in now in prison

00:16:15.340 well the only reason i say it wasn't believed until now is because she's been running free and uh you

00:16:22.440 know i think a lot of people imagine that she had she feared that the american government was coming

00:16:27.500 after her she would have left america she has two other passports in addition to an american passport

00:16:33.700 she had you know the feds estimate 20 million dollars she has the means and the access to go 1.00

00:16:40.960 elsewhere and she didn't so i think that's the biggest sign we have that she didn't fear the government

00:16:47.040 this is the best of the glenn beck program and don't forget rate us on itunes

00:16:55.940 so uh we have uh epstein in prison now uh and he's finally been nailed uh is there anything that

00:17:12.820 shows why this happened this time why the government seemed to take it seriously and

00:17:20.480 he couldn't get away with it anymore

00:17:22.460 well i think the biggest thing was donald trump got elected and i know it seems totally disconnected but

00:17:30.760 as you'll recall he his labor secretary was alex acosta and alex acosta was the prosecutor in

00:17:37.560 florida who um came under criticism for going soft on jeffrey epstein the first time so in a weird way

00:17:44.840 i think at least that the connection between donald trump getting a lot i mean in a weird way i think

00:17:49.320 like if hillary clinton gets elected sort of the jeffrey epstein story goes away and in a weird way

00:17:54.180 it was the media trying to go after donald trump that you know then went after alex acosta and

00:18:00.140 therefore reignited this firestorm around epstein so it was a weird confluence of events that

00:18:05.120 in my mind uh leads to jeffrey epstein being locked up okay so now he's locked up and you guys really

00:18:14.120 went in and you talked to everybody did you do you have an opinion i know you're both journalists so

00:18:19.760 you probably won't give it but do you have an opinion on whether or not this was a suicide or assisted

00:18:27.660 suicide

00:18:28.400 um well we think based on who we talked to and the investigation it's really hard to dismiss foul play

00:18:38.660 and we think that there are legitimate questions about the story that we've been told by the government

00:18:46.900 on this one so i mean we tell me who actually worked in the prison who said this doesn't you know

00:18:53.680 doesn't make it sense um it would be extremely difficult for him to kill himself in that way

00:19:00.280 without any sort of outside help so give me the give me the outline of the case that he couldn't

00:19:09.740 have done it himself let's start with the cameras cameras went out anything suspicious there and the

00:19:15.800 other cameras that were around there showed that there was nobody coming in yes um so the the fact

00:19:24.780 that the cameras weren't working so talking to people who had worked in that facility at mcc which

00:19:30.560 was the facility where he died um they said that for such a high profile prisoner you would have those

00:19:38.200 cameras noticed immediately that they were not working and they would be fixed within five minutes

00:19:45.780 because this was i mean you know this was not just some run-of-the-mill prisoner it was jeffrey epstein he

00:19:52.700 was uh certainly the most high profile person who was at that institution at the time and he had

00:20:00.160 allegedly already attempted suicide before that um you know just a month before so the so yeah they said

00:20:09.880 that it's it's really hard to believe that the cameras wouldn't wouldn't have been noticed within

00:20:15.700 minutes and fixed and the fact that this is multiple cameras we're talking about here

00:20:21.300 uh is definitely a big red red flag

00:20:24.400 so the the cellmate that he had was transferred out and never replaced how odd was that

00:20:32.860 and and that also was very strange because typically what they do um at mcc is when they

00:20:41.320 when they transfer one person out of a cell they they move the other person and at the same time

00:20:47.220 it's just easier that way you know you you you say all right you you're out you're in um

00:20:52.980 you know you're doing it all at the same time um jeffrey epstein was also um under

00:20:59.120 his medical uh doctors they had advised that he should have always had a cellmate because of the

00:21:07.340 first alleged suicide attempt which i just want to add also jeffrey epstein denied that he had tried

00:21:14.280 to commit suicide that first time and he told his lawyers a different story um but yeah he was supposed

00:21:20.020 to be at all times in a cell with a cellmate and that cellmate was transferred out uh the day prior

00:21:27.880 the day prior to his death and was not replaced okay so wait a minute daniel tell me about the

00:21:35.740 doctors he said uh the doctors said that he was suicidal tried to kill himself but he said to his

00:21:43.200 lawyers that that wasn't true which one do you believe in and why is there this disparity well i guess

00:21:51.400 you know we should concede that we'll never know but i think jeffrey epstein um there's no reason

00:21:57.640 to believe that he was lying to his lawyers uh also i mean he he led his lawyers to believe that it

00:22:03.420 was some sort of joke gone awry yeah maybe he was lying you know if you want to believe it maybe you

00:22:08.780 want to maybe he was lying so that he could commit suicide later uh if if you want to but i i don't

00:22:14.980 think the doctors were necessarily lying i think they they just they they just weren't on the same page i

00:22:21.260 mean people can have that disagreement about uh various facts and these kinds of scenarios and i

00:22:25.960 think you know i think another aspect of this of course is the physical evidence and we talked to

00:22:32.080 dr michael bodden independent pathologist who who oversaw uh the the autopsy and he said that the

00:22:41.520 physical evidence suggests is that it was a homicide that it's more consistent with a homicide than a

00:22:47.400 the way that the neck is broken and the various physical evidence is is compelling according to

00:22:54.700 him yeah and he's also dr michael bodden so he's very well respected forensic pathologist he was hired

00:23:01.680 by epstein's brother um after his death to oversee the autopsy kind of be an independent monitor

00:23:09.560 for the government government's autopsy and dr bodden has been on a panel since the 1970s that looks at

00:23:19.280 every single death in the new york state prison system this was a panel that was started by

00:23:26.480 a governor rockefeller and so he has looked at you know just every every suicide that has taken place

00:23:34.920 in the prison system and he said not once prior did he have a case where you saw the same bone breakage

00:23:45.560 uh as he did with epstein he said there was three there were three separate bones that were broken in

00:23:51.600 his neck and he said you just can't recall any suicide um where that happened so i think that is

00:23:59.560 pretty compelling he found that this was much more consistent with a homicide

00:24:04.680 so who could have pulled this off i mean you know if you if you're into conspiracy theories uh on the

00:24:13.960 right you've you've met somebody who has said oh the clintons they kill everybody they've killed like

00:24:19.800 570 people so far um yeah but you know i don't believe that hitler you know hillary was donning a mask 0.95

00:24:27.080 at night and i'm not sure that they have that kind of control who would have the access and the

00:24:34.120 ability to pull this off besides an intelligence community well when we talked to uh epstein's lawyer

00:24:41.760 uh david shown who is a long time defense attorney worked with you know worked for years on cases like

00:24:49.960 this and had his clients die in prison um you know he he said that he thinks somebody killed epstein he

00:24:58.200 doesn't think that it was the clintons he said i don't think the clintons did it i just think it was

00:25:02.280 a regular somebody killed him so his his idea is that this may have been another inmate um you know dr

00:25:11.640 michael botting kind of walked us through that scenario as well in the book um in addition to people who had

00:25:19.080 worked at mcc who we spoke to who said the way it could have happened is if one of the other cells

00:25:25.800 in epstein's um you know his area was left open um or just left unlocked and epstein cell was left that

00:25:34.120 unlocked and the guards just turned a blind eye to this um i think it's interesting to note too that after

00:25:42.040 epstein was found dead then you know more around 6 30 a.m uh on that morning the other prisoners were all

00:25:52.440 pulled out of their cells and transferred to a different location in the prison um

00:25:59.240 so we don't know were these people ever interviewed like were they you know what what did they witness

00:26:05.880 um i i just think it's interesting that they were immediately transferred well i mean if i were

00:26:13.720 going to if i had the power um the way i would do it is i would go to a prisoner there and say hey listen

00:26:21.960 you know it'd be a shame if this ever happened and you found your uh cell unlocked and his cell was

00:26:27.880 unlocked and who knows what could happen maybe i could help you out down the road i mean you know that

00:26:33.160 that that's are you suggesting that this was just somebody in the block that was like i want to kill

00:26:40.040 somebody oh his door is unlocked or do you believe that there was some sort of a uh a prompting from

00:26:48.440 somebody um i mean i could have been either go ahead dan either no no you go you go okay i mean i think

00:27:00.040 you know i don't know if you've seen the godfather but yeah i think you can you can always kind of get

00:27:03.800 to somebody in prison if you want to get to them so uh yeah i think that okay i think it could have

00:27:11.000 been either one in that case so so galane is that's offender so he's what he's really got a target on his

00:27:18.440 back um right high profile prisoner okay so galane is supposed to appear in court today um do you

00:27:29.320 believe barr when he says she is going to be the most guarded person in prison history that nothing's

00:27:35.560 going to happen to her uh and will she speak out to save herself well you have to be a little skeptical

00:27:43.400 of bill barr uh considering that after jeffrey epstein had died he announced a big investigation

00:27:49.480 that we'd get to the bottom of this and ever since then it's been total silence um he of course it's not

00:27:55.960 as though jeffrey epstein wasn't a high profile uh inmate because of course he was and of course

00:28:02.200 you know he was supposed to be taking precautions then so i think you do have to be skeptical

00:28:06.440 as far as maxwell from her point of view look she's facing 35 years in prison she's nearly 60

00:28:11.720 years old it would be effectively a life sentence and assuming she gets to trial and assuming or or 0.52

00:28:17.880 assuming she's alive you would think that she would be willing to play ball with prosecutors and try to 1.00

00:28:23.880 work some sort of deal so that she wouldn't be facing life in prison now i don't know how much 0.70

00:28:29.880 she's willing to give but i i'd imagine uh you know prison is not something that she's going to like

00:28:35.560 it's not it's not in her dna not that it's in anybody else's but she she i think she's i think

00:28:41.880 she it's very possible that she talks if given the chance is this a story that either of you have

00:28:48.760 confidence we are going to know in our lifetime what happened yeah you mean what happened with

00:28:56.520 epstein's death or what happened yeah and what yeah with the entire operation whether he was

00:29:04.280 you know uh uh working for the government in some capacity or if he was you know killed in prison

00:29:10.920 are we going to know uh what happened you know i i hope i'm hopeful but i'm i'm i'm mixed so i don't

00:29:22.440 know if you saw but on on twitter a couple days ago the former ceo of uh reddit said something like

00:29:29.880 well we saw gillaine maxwell at these parties you know 15 years ago and we all knew that she was

00:29:35.160 procuring young women and um right she of course came under attack and people were saying well if

00:29:41.720 you knew about it why didn't you do anything and and you know which is of course a reasonable thing

00:29:45.960 to ask somebody who said that but her reaction of course was to go silent and to uh hide her twitter

00:29:53.000 account and things like that so i think there's no incentive if you're involved or you had any knowledge

00:29:59.080 to speak out about this it just it just right damning towards you so that i think i i think

00:30:06.600 that's a strike against us ever finding the truth is that people don't have incentives if you call up

00:30:11.320 the rich and famous who were close to him you know like how come bill clinton has never given an

00:30:15.800 interview about jeffrey epstein they just sort of released a statement that washes their hands and then

00:30:20.440 they step back they're not pressed to give answers about what they knew when they knew and what they did about

00:30:26.840 it um alana um alana goodman uh and daniel halper uh they are co-authors of the book a convenient

00:30:36.520 death this is a fascinating story and we're just at the beginning of it thank you guys so much for

00:30:42.440 being on and sharing your information i appreciate it again a convenient death the mysterious demise

00:30:48.600 of jeffrey epstein available wherever you buy your books

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