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00:00:00.000 hey we're back in the saddle it's glenn and pat because stew's uh house is underwater all of his

00:00:06.740 pipes burst uh i feel really horrible i mean i'd like to laugh you bet i mean we make fun of each

00:00:13.640 other all the time and probably we will maybe tomorrow pat do you think yeah we'll give it a

00:00:19.040 full 24 hours uh but things are bad in texas and you should pay attention to what's happening in

00:00:27.000 texas because this is what's coming to the rest of the world the problems in texas are caused by this

00:00:33.600 big green movement that texas has fallen prey to uh and it's going to be worse uh in your state we

00:00:40.540 talk about that uh and we we talk about uh with with a real expert on uh energy and what's really

00:00:48.780 happening and the impact of green energy we also uh we went into a washington post article

00:00:57.900 that will explain so much you are being called a radical but the real radicals are those in power

00:01:06.200 now they have flipped the paradigm entirely to where if you are standing for the bill of rights

00:01:13.420 you're now the enemy of the nation we talk about joe biden the first hundred days the push for

00:01:21.380 statehood for puerto rico also the push against guns and everything else that is on the plate

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00:01:42.040 we welcome uh pat gray into the studio one of the brave that attempted to uh to weather the roads

00:01:52.620 which are not so bad the highways aren't so bad the problem with texas is we don't have any snow plows

00:01:58.960 we don't have any four well it's a good thing the size of i don't know delaware yeah from texarkana

00:02:06.840 texas down to brownsville uh texas is the same distance from texarkana texas to chicago so it's an

00:02:16.920 enormous state and we've got four snow plows which uh not really a help uh when you have snow all over

00:02:24.280 the state of course we know global warming or is it global cool it's global climate change it's global

00:02:30.860 something now disregard the fact that this happened 40 years ago you know when it was global cooling

00:02:37.880 um but it hasn't been this bad and texas is just not prepared for it we're expecting another four to six

00:02:46.660 inches of snow tomorrow uh and we don't have this weather ever the last time we had weather like

00:02:54.280 this was 10 years ago uh and we just got sleet and everything was iced over i mean nothing moved in uh

00:03:04.160 in portions of texas this is almost the entire state of texas the uh the electricity the we have

00:03:13.820 all these windmills they are all frozen frozen solid so we're not producing any wind energy

00:03:20.120 nuclear power plants offline uh we have our gas and coal plants that make uh energy they're also

00:03:28.600 offline because of they're frozen they're frozen solid we don't insulate things like they do up in

00:03:35.540 north up north because we don't ever have this weather i think maybe texas should reevaluate that

00:03:42.080 uh just a little bit uh like i said in my in my town same as yours right yeah uh the sewage

00:03:49.100 got a boil yeah the sewage treatment plant uh went down and i guess some pipes burst etc etc so now

00:03:55.680 our drinking water may be mixed with poop water which i love i love who doesn't yeah i like my water chunky

00:04:02.880 it is nothing better fortunately i i gave up on tap water a long time ago although you cook with it

00:04:11.460 you know so you brush your teeth with it yeah that's shower with it yeah i mean you know it's nasty

00:04:17.560 it is nasty uh so uh let's talk about the news outside of uh texas which quite honestly makes me

00:04:25.580 want to talk about the news inside of texas a little bit more puerto rican statehood yeah looks like it is

00:04:32.900 on its way to happening puerto rico has held six non-binding referendums on its status uh including

00:04:39.920 becoming a u.s state since 1967 however the residents there have most recently voted in favor

00:04:47.200 of statehood that was last sept sorry last november uh this has i guess a lot to do with uh hurricane

00:04:55.780 uh maria which caused over 3 000 deaths and the worst natural disaster to hit the island to date that

00:05:03.660 we know of uh also they have 72 billion dollars in debt uh they can't file for bankruptcy so why not

00:05:11.520 just push it into the federal government i don't mind paying for puerto rico do you no yeah i mean i

00:05:17.380 actually have less of a problem paying for puerto rico than i do for california i mean i have a real

00:05:24.360 problem paying for california if california and new york and illinois start pushing all of their

00:05:31.240 state debt into the fed i am really pissed off i'm really pissed off i didn't live there

00:05:37.300 when i did live in new york i voted against it because i knew it was insanity

00:05:42.660 anyway um it looks like the current governor who is part of the new progressive party that's not even

00:05:52.420 the democratic party this is the new progressive party uh is very very excited about this uh and it

00:06:00.620 it looks like the republic i mean the democrats are going to push it through so we've got that going

00:06:09.000 for us uh but don't worry congress could stop it and don't forget washington dc uh could also

00:06:20.180 become a state well yeah isn't that great so yeah that going for you now here's a state super democratic

00:06:27.060 uh state's about to be added here's a state that they're going to make sure doesn't become a state

00:06:31.680 and that is uh jefferson is jefferson the state of jefferson or jeffersonian uh i never heard of it

00:06:42.300 and i grew up in the west coast but there is a movement now in northern california that is saying

00:06:48.280 they want to break free they don't feel that they are being represented at all uh by the california

00:06:55.240 legislature and they are conservatives and they want to become their own state

00:06:59.940 do you remember pat were we still together in the 90s when i when i read some things from uh i think

00:07:10.880 it was dugan alexander dugan uh that said the united states was going to break up into five districts

00:07:17.260 and uh when he was asked why how do you how do you know that he said by 20 what was it 2020 or 2015

00:07:27.100 something like that the united states would be in a civil war and we would eventually break up into

00:07:33.500 five different districts and when asked why he knew that he said because we have people on the ground

00:07:41.340 meaning they have people pushing for that and i could see that happening uh quickly

00:07:48.640 yeah unfortunately uh we also have something really really great happening in the military now

00:07:55.940 uh the latest on the pentagon

00:07:59.780 the pentagon uh is not focusing on the islamic state or the threat from china or the threat from

00:08:11.000 any place else they are now uh doing everything they can to look at the threat from within

00:08:18.260 uh president joe biden uh is continuing to not focus on china in fact strengthen china uh while

00:08:29.620 promoting social justice inside the pentagon his first military related executive order order was to

00:08:37.700 overturn trump's transgender policy which i think we were all fighting for were we not we were like this

00:08:43.400 this fairness has got to has got to be upheld here uh and somebody needs to free all the transgenders 1.00

00:08:51.180 uh from the oppression in the military uh lloyd austin his defense secretary the first african american

00:08:58.960 to serve in that position austin vowed during his confirmation hearing to rid the military of racists

00:09:04.900 and extremists now i wasn't aware that there were racists and extremists in the military i mean i knew

00:09:13.600 that there were jihadists sure knew that but we weren't supposed to talk about it so he wants to get rid

00:09:20.880 of racists and uh extremists here's the problem uh pat when you go looking for something and you know

00:09:29.240 that it's there do you generally find it generally yes yes you generally you know it's like have you

00:09:35.520 ever worked at a place where a consultant comes in and the management hires a consultant and says

00:09:41.620 look here's what the problem is the problem is is we've got x y and z and all the employees are like

00:09:48.040 that's not the problem the problem is the management uh what do the consultants usually find

00:09:53.760 a b and c or x y and z they always find x y and z that's what's happening in the pentagon now and i want

00:10:06.100 any white extremists out i want anybody but what's happening now is uh uh uh the department of defense

00:10:15.840 uh was notified uh by the fdi 143 times of investigations of former and current military

00:10:26.660 members in 2020 68 of the times pertained to domestic extremist cases with the vast majority

00:10:35.300 former military many unfavorable discharge records uh and only one fourth or 17 had anything to do with

00:10:44.840 white nationalism so out of 68 times there were extremists 17 of them had to do with white

00:10:53.060 nationalism what's really interesting in this story is it doesn't tell me what the others were

00:10:59.660 um the the military still has not uh given even the house armed services committee the oversight

00:11:10.540 committee in congress a definition of extremists we don't know what they're even looking for

00:11:17.820 they won't define the word

00:11:22.920 uh the the problem here is is that they are going to find what they want and we're now going to politicize

00:11:32.880 our military on another front the now president joe biden has pulled 65 pending trump administration

00:11:45.340 executive orders several of the withdrawals strike down orders that would protect american jobs by

00:11:53.360 tightening immigration restrictions eliminating proposed oversight regulations on how china-backed

00:12:00.340 confucius institute operate on campus this is this is obscene what is going on um right now under current law

00:12:11.580 outgoing aliens released from custody can seek legal employment this has now been withdrawn you can't

00:12:20.620 we we we were saying no you can't do that uh the trump orders were protecting american workers

00:12:28.340 um between what he's doing with china and what he's doing with immigration we have some serious

00:12:37.260 uh problems coming our way but the good news is the biden administration over the weekend uh said

00:12:45.420 quote this administration will not wait for the next mass shooting he is calling for universal background checks

00:12:54.180 we have that we have that um an assault weapons ban we did that it did nothing we did it in the 90s

00:13:05.020 it did nothing and legal liability for gun makers now what does that mean

00:13:12.660 that means if you use the weapon and you kill someone someone can sue the gun manufacturer

00:13:23.060 that's like using a car and suing general motors because you went on a walkway and drove over a lot of people

00:13:34.940 now if the car has automatic pilot and you couldn't turn it off and it caused you to drive

00:13:42.000 then you could sue gm but if you chose to drive on a sidewalk and kill a lot of people you can't sue gm

00:13:52.460 under uh biden you'll be able to sue the gun makers

00:14:00.140 they are going to make it um they are going to make it impossible

00:14:07.740 for americans to be able to defend themselves uh by the way uh swalwell has said in the wake of the

00:14:16.580 capital riot we need a 9 11 commission a white nationalism task force holy mother of everything

00:14:26.220 that is good and sacred we need a white nationalism task force

00:14:32.200 so now they're pushing for a 9 11 commission and the guy who is doing it is swalwell there's no

00:14:42.700 moving on january 6 is the day that we'll all sadly remember i think we have to take an approach

00:14:47.520 that we took after september 11th to root out white nationalism what about the ballpark

00:14:53.520 why didn't we have a 9 11 commission after they tried to shoot all of the republican congressman 0.89

00:15:04.700 why why didn't we do that by the way swalwell uh is uh he said that he is sure that uh god herself

00:15:15.240 god herself was proud of all of this so he knows that god is a female which i think

00:15:23.320 we can't say that he's a hypocrite on that because uh he was with christine fang and uh while he was

00:15:30.600 doing the fang bang we heard him scream oh god oh god oh god many times so maybe god's not only a 0.81

00:15:37.020 female but also chinese and a spy this is the best of the glenbeck program

00:15:45.000 the president and founder for the center for industrial progress the author of the moral case

00:15:55.580 for fossil fuels alex epstein is with us now hello uh alex how are you hey glenn great to be back on

00:16:02.980 your show it's great to have you um i wanted to uh talk to you a little bit about what's happening

00:16:07.940 in texas there is no way we should be having these problems in texas with the with our own power grid

00:16:16.800 with as much gas and oil as we have what the heck is happening

00:16:23.740 yeah so i mean this is something i've been warning about for a while in september 2020 so i live in

00:16:33.040 california when the california blackouts were happening i warned on twitter that there are

00:16:37.680 similar things happening in texas and so a blackout is an extreme event but this blackout is not

00:16:45.420 unprecedented texas has been having what i call industrial blackouts a lot they call it demand

00:16:50.580 management but it basically means when there's not enough power they have their industrial or they'll

00:16:55.740 call it curtailment they'll have their industrial uh projects stop you know they'll cut off power to 0.67

00:17:01.040 industrial people they won't cut it off to the home so what's happened here is the lack of ability

00:17:06.240 to meet demand has just been so extreme and there are some unexpected events that everyone is seeing

00:17:12.860 it but it's important that this is not an unprecedented thing it's just a more extreme thing and this is

00:17:17.780 something that's happened in california it's happening around the country and the fundamental reason

00:17:21.680 whatever else is going on is the insistence on using unreliable wind and solar energy instead of

00:17:28.560 reliable energy from coal nuclear natural gas well why is that coal we have just one thing yeah go

00:17:35.880 ahead we know that those sources because there's issues of failures in texas and we'll talk about

00:17:40.420 that but we know for a fact that coal gas and nuclear can work under any weather conditions around

00:17:46.800 the world so whatever is going on in texas it's not that coal plants don't work gas plants don't work

00:17:51.800 nuclear plants is a combination of specific mismanagement and non-preparation in texas

00:17:56.660 but the main thing is too much attempt to rely on unreliable energy and that takes away focus and

00:18:02.720 funding from the reliable energy and for making it resilient okay so i'm i'm kind of caught in between

00:18:08.680 some people are really really pissed some people are like well that's what happens i'm somewhere in

00:18:14.420 between uh there are times that i feel like i'm living in syria um however i don't expect the state to

00:18:22.060 spend oodles of money protecting for something that happens once every even you know when it comes to

00:18:27.920 salt trucks and everything else why spend the money it happens every 10 years this is something that

00:18:33.320 happened you know about every 40 or 50 years in texas so i cut some slack but i don't understand

00:18:41.240 uh why our coal plants are down they are down our natural gas plants are down why

00:18:49.700 well so there's i mean we i don't think the ercot's ercot is the so-called reliability council

00:18:56.940 of texas they haven't been totally open so it's not easy to tell exactly what's going on there are a

00:19:02.100 number of things that can happen so one thing that they'll tend not to talk about is it's possible

00:19:06.360 there's been some just mismanagement of supply and demand so when demand was exceeding supply they

00:19:11.460 didn't curtail demand early enough and that can cause things to trip up it can be that specific

00:19:17.200 plants aren't resilient enough it can be that the fuel infrastructure there's something off with

00:19:22.040 that in terms of of delivery of fuel and this is something that i think that will emerge but again

00:19:26.740 these are all things that are handled everywhere around the world they're not inherent in coal gas

00:19:33.240 and nuclear whereas what you see with wind and solar is they went completely out to lunch when they

00:19:38.720 were needed most so no matter how even if there had been no freezing of the wind turbines wind would

00:19:43.800 have still been useless during very large portions of the situation so the basic lesson

00:19:48.840 wait wait wait wait wait wait wait why why why would wind turbine when there was winds why were wind

00:19:55.480 turbines not useful well well there they were frozen some of them but well i know that wasn't wind though

00:20:02.300 there wasn't wind the whole time so even when there has it so a talking point for the other side has

00:20:07.240 been oh well not that many of them froze i got but if you look at the recent data over the last

00:20:11.260 several days there have been times when it's been one gigawatt out of 32 so that part of the thing is

00:20:17.320 they call the capacity they call the maximum possible wind the capacity which is ridiculous

00:20:22.040 it's just a lucky situation so they say oh we have 32 gigawatts of wind and everyone brags about that

00:20:27.240 but when the going gets tough you had one two or three gigawatts of wind so again they're always

00:20:33.520 people always like to talk about the peak but the real thing is where are they when you need them

00:20:38.260 and the point is they're not reliable they're they're basically reliable for zero and that's

00:20:42.340 why they add so much cost because you always have to have the unreliable infrastructure and the reliable

00:20:47.420 infrastructure so some greens are blaming not enough gas being online and that's because the green

00:20:56.340 screen is a scheme requires it to be offline so we can get more electricity from wind right

00:21:03.080 right everything is engineered around trying to maximize the amount of unreliable wind that you're

00:21:10.160 using so the whole way the grid is working normally that's very wasteful is you're cycling the gas up and

00:21:15.500 down to accommodate the wind if you had a reliable energy infrastructure which we used to have around

00:21:21.080 the country you just have a whole slate of reliable plants and then when you had a lot more demand you

00:21:26.440 could just ramp a lot of the reliable plants up but here what texas is trying to do is they're 0.95

00:21:31.960 trying to minimize the number of reliable plants to cut costs and this is why the you know one of

00:21:37.300 the public utility people said and i think in 2019 like hey we've got a serious issue our reserve margin

00:21:43.220 is very scary texas is notorious in electricity circles for trying to get away with the lowest

00:21:48.200 reserve margin possible which means the smallest margin for error possible it's gone down dramatically

00:21:53.740 because they've been trying to cut prices and use wind that's what all that's what happened in

00:21:59.560 california we didn't maintain our power lines enough because we didn't want to raise prices

00:22:04.820 even more after we had inflated them with green energy if you don't focus on reliability you're

00:22:10.240 going to lose reliability so in northern climates when it gets cold like this every single year how do

00:22:16.960 how do they avoid this problem are they doing less green energy than texas is

00:22:21.300 well there are two things i mean so one is just they have better specific policies for their plants and

00:22:28.180 that can take all sorts of measures but they just figured out i mean these are you know these

00:22:32.440 places texas even in bad weather is not as bad as places around the world i mean obviously if places

00:22:37.320 in russia they're using these kinds of places places in cold parts of canada now what's happening

00:22:42.920 though it's important with the on what i call the unreliable so the solar and wind it is possible

00:22:48.400 to have a certain amount of them along with the reliable so people in the midwest are saying hey look

00:22:54.160 our wind timbers are working and it's true that you can spend money and they don't necessarily ice

00:22:58.560 uh but the the point is they're adding cost and they don't scale because again you have to pay for

00:23:04.860 the unreliable energy infrastructure and the reliable energy infrastructure plus you have really

00:23:10.120 it's really inefficient to run a grid that way because it's like stop and go traffic for the

00:23:14.400 reliables plus you you wear them down a lot more quickly when you move them up and down but the

00:23:19.400 real thing to notice is you cannot rely on the unreliables they're parasites and what we have 0.89

00:23:24.100 as a country is a policy that's trying to get us 100 dependent on these parasites the real lesson of

00:23:30.920 texas is not that wind turbines froze it's that wind and solar cannot keep us warm and powered in the

00:23:37.340 winter and so these green new deal type plans are a complete fiasco and everybody should be asking

00:23:42.420 what the hell would texas do under your situation how the hell would they get power if you're going to

00:23:48.100 have nearly 100 wind and solar which were totally out to lunch when they were needed most jeez wow i

00:23:53.640 mean we're now buying the power i believe from mexico which is what uh so are these if when people say

00:24:04.180 the texas grid we're fine because we have our own grid in texas are have the progressive policies just

00:24:12.280 pretty much dismantled any positives we had with that yes so this is i i mean i was really scared of

00:24:21.300 what was going to happen with this storm and my fears unfortunately came true but one thing i thought

00:24:25.580 would be good in terms of a lesson is texas does have this isolated grid and that can be an asset or

00:24:30.720 liability but it what it really illustrates is the problem of relying on unreliable energy because

00:24:37.940 in california even you know we import 25 of our electricity which at a given time can be 40 of

00:24:44.040 our electricity 25 is just an average so we're bailed out by nevada utah arizona but what happens

00:24:51.320 is they start trying to have more and more unreliables then we can't rely on them and that's

00:24:55.300 what happened in the summer it got hot wind went down the sun goes down every day people are shocked

00:25:00.520 and we didn't have enough electricity and we couldn't get it so everyone is trying to play this game

00:25:06.200 of get it of chicken with how much unreliable can i use and get away with it and the texas is a good

00:25:13.140 illustration because it's this self-contained uh world and so we need to learn that the whole u.s

00:25:20.040 cannot be like texas and again texas is something like 20 percent wind it's this tiny fraction of the

00:25:27.140 biden plan the biden plan says 100 percent carbon neutral grid by 2035 that's 14 years and he's

00:25:34.980 impossible he does nothing to support nuclear and the biggest lie the biggest giveaway is none of

00:25:40.920 these people support nuclear texas has not been increasing nuclear if you look at texas's plan

00:25:45.800 so i just i just wrote about this on on twitter it's just alex twitter.com slash alex epstein and

00:25:50.760 so i wrote the statistics this is listen to this glenn like what would you think texas has planned okay

00:25:56.600 so zero nuclear plants nuclear are the most weather resilient plants they store their food so zero plants

00:26:01.940 uh no new coal plants they're probably going to shut down plants 9.4 gigawatts of wind so the

00:26:08.720 existing 32 gigawatts it went down to one gigawatt when it was needed most so it's basically useless

00:26:13.240 and then 12 new gigawatts of solar and solar was almost completely useless so and then five new

00:26:18.920 gigawatts of gas which is basically to handle all the ups and downs of the wind and solar so this is

00:26:23.540 texas's plan and that is a mild day at the beach compared to what biden has planned so we need to

00:26:29.260 totally change direction all right so i i want you just to tell us what america looks like with

00:26:35.660 the biden plan and what states and and people locally should be should be doing uh because the

00:26:43.020 first thing that came to my mind was i am not sufficient i am not self-reliant at all i'm still

00:26:49.140 reliant on here in texas i'm reliant on way too much stuff way too much stuff and when you can't

00:26:57.040 uh when you can't weather a storm for three days four days without these these aren't rolling uh

00:27:05.700 brownouts or rolling blackouts they're not scheduled anymore they started scheduled now they're just

00:27:11.500 now we're just having full blackouts uh and uh that i mean that just is not in a in a you know 21st

00:27:21.260 century world that makes no sense whatsoever in my opinion so what does america look like

00:27:28.960 with the way the biden administration is heading even right now

00:27:33.900 yeah so it's important that because of the dynamics i mentioned this whole hundred percent

00:27:41.000 carbon free grid particularly without nuclear like that's not going to happen it's completely

00:27:44.620 impossible the whole net zero by 2050 thing is impossible but that doesn't mean we don't need

00:27:48.500 to worry about it because as we're seeing with texas even small steps in that direction uh are

00:27:54.000 disastrous so what you see is just more and more of these blackouts of these brownouts and one thing 1.00

00:28:01.240 i want to highlight is what happens to industry what lesson does industry take when they keep getting

00:28:06.640 blacked out and they get blacked out a lot more than much more than we do as consumers they're going

00:28:10.860 to go overseas they're going to go other places and i really want to highlight the strategic thing

00:28:14.840 that's happening right now with china because nobody's paying attention to it china uses five

00:28:19.460 times more industrial electricity uh than the u.s five times and the vast majority of it comes from

00:28:25.780 coal a lot of that electricity is used to build unreliable solar panels and wind turbines for us of

00:28:31.360 course we don't mostly build them here because they have to be built with cheap energy which means

00:28:36.220 they have to be built with fossil fuels they're not built with solar panels and wind turbines

00:28:40.100 obviously so you have china making this this very strong strategic move to get us to unilaterally

00:28:47.060 disempower and for them to empower and then they say oh we're going to go net zero by 2060 they get

00:28:52.600 praised by biden they get praised by this guy larry fink the head of blackrock who almost runs the

00:28:57.540 financial world right now and so you just see this amazing strategic play where they are using fossil

00:29:03.880 fuels to get ahead they have record oil imports they had a five-year high in coal production they're

00:29:08.920 building 100 plus new coal plants again five times more electricity than we are so they're

00:29:13.460 disempowering us empowering themselves and then selling us these almost useless solar panels and wind 0.98

00:29:20.240 turbines and biden is playing into it so unfortunately he is the expression is useful idiot for china i think 0.95

00:29:26.980 that security thing should scare us just as much as everything else so where do we where do we go 0.91

00:29:34.020 because it honestly um you have bank of america saying that they're not going to uh you know they're

00:29:41.320 going to start looking at loans if you're not green uh you may not be able to be fitting into their portfolio

00:29:48.340 of businesses they can loan money to you have blackrock pushing this you have uh the great reset pushing all

00:29:56.200 of this and jaguar just came out and said they'll be uh fully electric cars by 2025 and nobody's talking

00:30:05.060 about the increase in electricity that is needed if we all go to electric cars

00:30:11.220 yeah so i think that these it's crucial to have these moments as teaching moments so this this is maybe

00:30:20.260 the crucial teaching moment of 21 2021 to change uh the narrative on this and i mentioned that on

00:30:26.820 on twitter i posted a very comprehensive explanation more broadly recently i created a website called

00:30:31.300 energy talking points.com that takes all of these issues and gives you very quick well-referenced

00:30:36.520 statements on everything and that's part of my overall goal of just changing the narrative where we move

00:30:41.680 from this focus on unreliable energy and climate catastrophe to one where we recognize that if we use the best

00:30:48.780 sources of energy namely fossil fuels and nuclear we can keep making the world a better and better

00:30:53.480 place to live we i do believe we impact climate but we're talking about one degree in 170 years

00:30:59.160 climate related deaths are at all-time lows fossil fuels are making the world a better and better

00:31:03.640 place to live that the facts are on the side of that and mandatory government controlled green energy

00:31:09.740 is making the world the worst place to live so those are the two narratives i just keep hitting over and

00:31:14.380 over and over and eventually people are going to see that narrative corresponds to reality

00:31:18.600 and the other narrative uh is just unreal and destructive thank you so much give me the uh give me the name

00:31:25.460 of that uh website you just created again it's called energy talking points.com energy talking

00:31:32.560 points.com thank you so much i appreciate it alex epstein the president co-founder for center for

00:31:38.160 industrial progress

00:31:39.820 you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program

00:31:45.980 mark meckler is with us he is the interim ceo of parlor uh which we know now is a website of

00:32:03.840 real danger and real extremism mark how how are you uh you know i don't feel like i'm very dangerous

00:32:12.060 or extreme but that's certainly how it's been portrayed well do you believe in the constitution

00:32:17.460 and the bill of rights absolutely fundamentally and unequivocally yeah there you go i i just i just

00:32:24.620 did a monologue last hour about how extremists um are the ones who are trying to get rid of the bill

00:32:31.900 of rights in the constitution but the media and politics in washington are trying to make those

00:32:39.100 people seem like the americans and we're the extremists yeah they are fundamentally anti-american

00:32:46.100 they stand against everything that this country was founded on and for and frankly those people right

00:32:51.360 now they occupy the white house and they're in control of both houses of congress we're in real

00:32:55.460 danger okay so you are the interim ceo if you if you recognize the name mark meckler it's because

00:33:00.940 he's the convention of states guys uh and he's been talking about that with us for a long time

00:33:06.420 what was it about four weeks ago we were talking about the convention of states and i mentioned parlor

00:33:11.900 going under and or going out being taken out uh and uh and we talked about cloud services we talked

00:33:20.320 about there has to be somebody that is building the infrastructure for the right to fall into

00:33:26.380 and you talked at the time about being a part of a movement to do that now you're the interim

00:33:31.640 uh ceo of parlor did that play a role what you're doing behind the scenes yeah it did actually so i've

00:33:38.420 been thinking about this problem as we talked about for a long time and i've been working on finding

00:33:42.560 alternative service providers and and folks who are actual real patriots who would stand in the fight

00:33:47.900 in the event that they were attacked and so i had a little bit of a head start in thinking about this

00:33:52.260 i knew the primary owners of parlor they're long time friends of mine and so when i saw it go down

00:33:58.320 i just reached out to see if there was anything i could do to help literally didn't expect to end up

00:34:02.840 being the interim ceo that's just the way things have worked out over time right uh but yeah i think

00:34:07.960 a lot of it was my thinking in advance i gotta say though when all the credit for getting it back

00:34:12.220 up goes to the staff these guys have been absolutely incredible it is taken however a month i'm not

00:34:17.660 blaming this on the staff by any stretch it's taken a month to get over a month to get back

00:34:23.120 in the public square is there any lawsuit that i know you're an attorney is there any lawsuit that

00:34:30.700 can be had for the destruction of business by amazon and the collusion with all of these companies that

00:34:39.060 we now know happened yeah there absolutely is there is a lawsuit that's already been filed we're working

00:34:44.320 on an amended complaint on that that lawsuit is against aws amazon web services and i do think

00:34:50.060 there's liability i think there's all kinds of antitrust stuff i think there's business damage stuff

00:34:54.400 but we'll we'll be putting out more on that probably in a week or so when we amend that complaint good did

00:35:00.020 you see the uh just just so you have it in your coffers i'm sure you do the story that came out that

00:35:04.860 showed that uh there were there were many more people organizing on facebook uh for january 6th

00:35:13.300 than there were on parlor you had i think six and they had maybe 70 yeah absolutely i mean in fact

00:35:20.060 there's been a couple of great stories on that one was an independent review by forbes yeah they found

00:35:24.200 the vast majority of violent and insightful stuff that took place on facebook youtube and instagram

00:35:29.300 were close second and third we barely made the list and so look there's always going to be bad content

00:35:34.180 on every platform of that size but the bottom line is this was just a hit job it was a political hit

00:35:40.340 job but i would also add that it was a business hit job they see parlor as a real threat to their

00:35:45.280 monopoly on on the business market and on free speech and they're going to come after us there is

00:35:50.140 no place according to them for somebody who disagrees with the uh with the current cabal uh there's no

00:35:58.740 place for them is there i mean it's not enough being kicked off of the other platforms

00:36:03.780 when you start and you go on another platform they'll shut down the platform yeah that's exactly

00:36:10.140 right and and look i think there's there's two measures to this though one is no speech outside

00:36:15.660 what they agree with remember that uh mussolini said that uh the definition of fascism is everything

00:36:22.800 inside the state nothing outside of the state and nothing against the state so that's now being enforced

00:36:28.260 by our government but also by the tech oligarchy and working with the government and then i think the

00:36:33.380 second thing is a business model at parlor we believe in free speech so if you can say it in

00:36:38.440 the public square you can say it on parlor we believe in privacy and data sovereignty meaning

00:36:42.680 we're not monetizing the data of our users we're here for our users as a service to our users not to

00:36:49.380 use them and use their data and we have an advertising model that doesn't use their data and

00:36:54.800 so i think that's very threatening to facebook and twitter and all the others so how are you going to

00:36:59.200 make money when the advertising cabal comes after you guys i mean at the blaze we have worked

00:37:07.500 on building our own advertisers uh and they're you know as close to bulletproof as possible

00:37:14.200 because they believe in us and they believe in the work that we do um have you guys are you at that

00:37:20.860 place with your advertisers yeah absolutely looking at the same types of people that advertise in the

00:37:26.380 blaze or or have advertised and will be advertising again on parlor these are people who believe in the

00:37:32.160 same things that you and i believe and they're not going to fold to the kind of pressure that the woke

00:37:37.360 media and the woke mob put on them so tell me about the infrastructure and and how stable it is now

00:37:45.300 can this happen to you guys again yeah look i i'm very comfortable with the infrastructure and

00:37:51.820 again this is where my head was at as you know before i went to be with parlor what we did is

00:37:57.520 we went out and we found providers who shared our values but were also big enough to handle the kind

00:38:02.720 of load that we put on them and what we did to be sure and this is really important glenn for anybody

00:38:07.760 who's operating in this space we made sure that there were multiple redundancies so we don't have

00:38:12.820 what i would describe as any single points of failure i'm very certain i've talked to the ceos of

00:38:17.620 all the companies that we're working with i'm very certain they're going to stand with us and not

00:38:21.760 cave to the woke mob but even if they do we've built in multiple redundancies and we're going to

00:38:26.720 continue to have layers of redundancies so that we know we're bulletproof in the future so let's talk

00:38:32.720 about let's play devil's advocate here um the the problem that they will say is that we are living at

00:38:40.140 a time where conspiracy theorists and and crazy things and white supremacists and all kinds of

00:38:48.280 terrorists can be online and you don't want to add fuel to that you should you should make sure that

00:38:55.040 you have an algorithm that stops all of that kind of hate speech tell me why that's wrong if you do

00:39:03.380 think it's wrong i do think that's wrong because that runs first of all it runs contrary to just our

00:39:09.360 philosophy at the founding and our philosophy through most of american history really until

00:39:13.720 recently we believe that if you don't like somebody's speech uh bad speech should be countered

00:39:19.100 with good speech should be countered with more speech not with less speech when you start camping

00:39:23.900 down on free speech you start creating well you've read about this you talked about this george orwell's

00:39:29.320 view the 1984 view of the future which is this idea that the government will control all that we will

00:39:35.640 have overlords and overseers now i do agree by the way that there are far too many out people out there

00:39:41.160 pushing conspiracy theories and many of them are in the democratic party in congress they're on cnn

00:39:47.000 they're on msnbc abc cbs all the others and yet at the same time i think we should just debunk their

00:39:54.100 conspiracies as we've largely done as opposed to seeing them shut down which i'm not interested in

00:39:59.180 doing yeah i've i've not asked for people to be shut down i've supported people who have been uh attacked

00:40:05.280 by the woke mob even and especially when i vehemently disagree with them uh freedom of speech means freedom

00:40:13.620 of speech talk to me about the person who says yeah but now i if i go over to parlor there's going to be

00:40:21.580 all these people because usually when it is when there's one place to go uh you know all these places

00:40:29.380 that are pushing the boundaries uh are going to be there and i don't want to be a part of that

00:40:34.580 you know that's the beauty of parlor and one of the things that makes it so different from all the

00:40:39.180 other social networks this big scary word at the social networks is algorithm and i think people

00:40:44.540 should be scared of that big scary word because what it means is if you go over there and you like

00:40:49.120 certain things they're going to start pushing other things at you that sort of they think fit

00:40:53.240 and this creates what i call the echo chamber effect and it does put a bunch of stuff into your feed you

00:40:58.680 might not want to see at parlor you 100 design your own feed there's nothing that you're going to see

00:41:05.060 that you haven't requested to see you can easily remove anything from your own feed again we believe

00:41:10.480 in data sovereignty and we believe that our users are prime that that's who is in charge of their

00:41:16.080 experience at parlor we want them to see only the people that they want to see and hear from only

00:41:20.880 the groups and people that they want to hear from so tell me now about the people that did belong

00:41:26.620 how long is it going to take before you're fully running with at least the people that you had before

00:41:33.460 so the platform is is fully up and running right now we have the capacity to handle everybody who wants

00:41:40.520 to come back and log on there are some uh limitations right now one of the limitations

00:41:45.680 is we're having folks having trouble with the apple ios i believe that's a technical limitation

00:41:51.240 we're going to get around here today part of the problem is with that is that we can't update

00:41:55.680 the apple the app that's on the app store right now because we got removed from the app store we're

00:42:00.720 working on that so folks can't update it and if there are problems in there we can't fix those

00:42:05.140 problems so that's one of the things we're we're working on right now trying to fix that i bet apple is

00:42:09.440 bending over backwards to help you with that too well i'm not going to comment on that right now

00:42:14.860 glenn because we'd really like to be back in the app store because so many users want to i know

00:42:19.960 yeah i know so the second piece of that is that um we'll have we are seeing every day more and more

00:42:26.700 functionality come back folks need to remember that this thing when it went down it's not just a

00:42:31.480 website i think if you're not involved in technology and it works it's seamless it's we don't think about

00:42:36.580 what's involved in it there's so many different layers i'm so proud of the staff at parlor for

00:42:41.660 literally 16 to 20 hours a day they've been putting in for weeks to get it back up but we expect to see

00:42:47.620 glitches over the next few days it's better today than it was yesterday it's going to continue to

00:42:52.100 get better throughout the week and i expect that we'll be back to full functionality sometime next

00:42:56.760 week this week by the way we're not even taking new subscribers we're focusing only on the existing

00:43:01.940 parlor family make sure everything's up and stable and running well and expect to be accepting new

00:43:06.960 users next week is everything that you know you may have posted before or do you have to start from

00:43:12.760 scratch if you're an if you're an uh an old subscriber if you go there right now likely you

00:43:19.140 won't see any of your old stuff all that data has been preserved and we will start loading that

00:43:23.740 we didn't want to load the system with old data when we first went up but all of that stuff has

00:43:28.520 been preserved and it's all going to come back okay mark best of luck to you and and congratulations

00:43:34.440 to everybody who didn't give up uh and fought the battle behind the scenes i know what it is like

00:43:40.620 when you're running a digital company and you kind of come under attack like that especially when you're

00:43:46.380 you're not one of you know you're not facebook or google uh it is all hands on deck and i i i gotta

00:43:53.980 tell you it's remarkable that you are back in the first place and uh you've got to be proud and of

00:44:02.040 all of the people that are working behind the scenes uh because i know what it takes and you guys just

00:44:07.620 pulled off a miracle congratulations i appreciate that glenn thank you very much and and you're right

00:44:12.400 it's the staff i don't i don't get any of the credit i come in i get to go on the radio and talk to

00:44:16.960 guys like you but they're incredible hard-working team uh all over the country these guys have

00:44:21.900 work day and night and they get all the credit for pulling this off thank you so much mark appreciate

00:44:27.460 it thanks glenn god all right you bet you should have him on next week remind people that they can

00:44:31.840 join if you're a new user next week uh at uh at parlor

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