Well, the new GAO report is out. It shows massive fraud in Obamacare. Whoa, what a surprise. What are we doing to fix this? Also, Christopher Ruffo joins me to discuss the massive amount of fraud that has been uncovered in Minnesota. Why does it seem like I care more about the Minnesota taxpayer than the state? This is a really bad story. And Ali Bestuckey joins us to discuss The Rise of Political Islam in America and Toxic Empathy.
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00:04:24.560When he started going through the budgets, they had to get him out.
00:04:29.900They had to stop this from happening because of the fraud we're now seeing.
00:04:35.160If you just joined us, we were talking about the new Obamacare findings from the GAO that shows billions of dollars of fraud that was happening.
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00:18:42.140I want to talk to you a little bit about my Patriot supply.
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00:19:19.820I was in a house with somebody I just met yesterday.
00:19:22.060I met them at their business, and they had food storage.
00:19:25.500And I asked them, why are your walls all made out of steel?
00:19:56.920It is amazing to me how the awareness of this Islamic takeover of the West, how quickly it is spreading and how quickly people are waking up.
00:20:12.320I don't know about the politicians, but the average person is really starting to wake up to this, don't you think?
00:22:49.340Well, I think that they're scared of the violent crime that they've seen in places, maybe in their own city, but certainly in places where Islam has dominated.
00:23:00.440When we look at places like Dearborn, Michigan, when we look at our friends across the pond, that sexual crimes, that violent crimes all increase disproportionately when there is a large scale importation of people from these Muslim majority countries.
00:23:16.040Doesn't mean that they're all like that doesn't mean that they can't be good neighbors, but this is not only a cultural change.
00:23:23.200This is not only a shift in how their neighborhoods look and feel and the celebrations had and things like that.
00:23:28.860But this also is potentially a threat to their own safety, especially the safety of their daughters.
00:23:37.320I was talking to somebody who was doing a podcast with somebody over in London yesterday, and he was talking about this.
00:23:50.020And I said, you know, I'm not, you know, I don't follow the news all the time, you know, closely like I do in America about, you know, the United Kingdom.
00:23:59.640But what I'm seeing coming out of Ireland and when you think of Ireland, you think of a very Catholic country, you know, or Protestant, a very Christian country.
00:25:01.080Well, certainly, progressives care about it when it comes to, you know, non-British or non-British countries or countries that are not America.
00:25:43.340I think it's a mistake on this one to say that it was empathy that we've gone down the road.
00:25:49.880I think this is especially if you look in Minnesota, they turn a blind eye to what's going on in in Minnesota.
00:25:59.520And I'll bet you in Michigan as well, because if you don't have the Muslim population on your side, you're not going to be elected governor.
00:27:05.400But for the average person, especially for the woman, especially for the person who has been told that loving your neighbor means just accepting all forms of people, no matter what their behavior is.
00:27:17.940Then, yeah, I do think that people are more scared of Islamophobia or being called an Islamophobe than they are the Islamification of their neighborhood.
00:27:27.300In fact, I think they think that their virtue is tied to how much they like halal and how much they accept, you know, the the building of mosques around their neighborhood.
00:27:38.740And so I do think that people feel so strongly that being exclusive or intolerant in any way is a sign of being a bad person that they won't speak up because the immediate social incentive for speaking up against Islam or against soft on crime policies or anything.
00:28:10.720So I think that's a big part of what's going on.
00:28:14.280Love to hear your comments on Trump over the holiday.
00:28:18.380Tweeted out the official United States foreign population stands at 53 million people, most of which are on welfare from failed nations or from prisons, mental institutions, gangs or drug cartels.
00:28:29.060They and their children are supported through massive payments from patriotic American citizens who, because of their beautiful hearts, do not want to openly complain or cause trouble in any way, shape or form.
00:28:39.980They've put up what has been happening to our country, but it's eating them alive to do so.
00:28:46.120Wow, that's not very empathetic, is it?
00:28:49.400That's exactly what he's talking about is toxic empathy.
00:28:52.380He's talking about our compassion as Americans being weaponized against us.
00:28:56.580Because the problem, I wouldn't have said it's a problem, but now it's kind of becoming a problem, is that for conservatives, we're thinking individually.
00:29:04.100We're thinking about our family and we're thinking, OK, whatever, just take my taxes, do what you have to do.
00:30:48.680Gosh, I pray to the Lord that that is true, that there is some kind of revival that we don't see.
00:30:55.200It's important to know that God's work doesn't always make headlines.
00:30:58.360It doesn't always go viral when it seems like he's just doing one thing.
00:31:01.260He's actually doing a million things in the unseen and unsung work of just faithful believers that might not have radio shows or podcasts, but they are doing God's work.
00:31:10.420And so I pray to the Lord that that is true.
00:31:12.960It is I can't imagine like a better signifier that you've been conquered than, you know, another ideology raising its flag over your territory.
00:31:21.080I mean, that is literally a sign that you have been conquered.
00:31:28.240He works through the prayer of believers.
00:31:30.940He works through the obedience of believers, the boldness of evangelism of believers.
00:31:34.760We can't all change the world, but we can be faithful with whatever spot of eternity God has providentially placed us in to make it better for the glory of God, to share the gospel and to speak beauty and truth and goodness into whatever sphere we occupy.
00:31:49.840That is the responsibility of a Christian.
00:31:52.200That is how God has moved mountains for over 2000 years.
00:33:53.980Is, and I don't hear anything from the people of, I mean, if your government, if you were taken for a billion dollars and your money, you knew was being taken away from children who need food.
00:34:10.320They were faking all kinds of health issues for other children.
00:34:16.920And so taking money away from real autistic programs and then putting it in and sending it to a terror group.
00:34:41.540Chris, we were just talking about, I mean, first of all, thank you for not only this story, but all the stories and things that you have exposed over the years.
00:34:50.420Thank you for doing all of the hard work and being credible the whole time.
00:35:04.860Well, it's even more bizarre, actually.
00:35:09.180You're outraged about the proper thing to be outraged about, which is that a group that is a recent arrival was permitted kind of asylum refugee status into the United States has now systematically looted the treasury of the state of Minnesota.
00:35:22.960Minnesota, but Minnesota politicians are also outraged.
00:35:27.280But they're outraged that we've noticed this and that we've called this out and that we're saying this is not OK.
00:35:33.560And so you have the mayor of Minneapolis speaking in Somali, saying that he's going to, you know, do whatever he can, do whatever he can to, you know, to shelter the Somali community from any criticism at all.
00:35:45.700And I just find this borderline suicidal and the Scandinavian kind of Scandinavian founding culture of Minnesota is just being systematically exploited.
00:35:59.520And they seem to have no ability to even defend themselves against it.
00:36:04.340I mean, what's happened to Sweden is happening in, you know, in in Minnesota.
00:36:11.400Minnesota, it's just they take the kindness and the social is, you know, the socialized everything, and they just absolutely abuse it until there is nothing left.
00:36:21.580And, you know, I don't let me ask a question.
00:36:24.680And and I want to be really careful here because, you know, I and I know you're not nobody, nobody is reasonably saying this, that all Somalis just want to rip us off.
00:36:34.720Not true. I think there's probably a lot of people that wanted to get away from Somalia because it is an absolutely corrupt system.
00:36:42.440And now our politicians are just recreating, you know, what they had in Somalia.
00:36:48.540And I can't believe that everybody from Somalia in Minnesota is for that.
00:36:53.940But when you when you look at where they came from, that is the way their government works.
00:37:14.540And as you said, we have to be careful and precise in how we think about it.
00:37:18.660But what's happening is that obviously not every Somali is participating in these fraud schemes.
00:37:23.940But it's true that many, many, many, a extraordinarily high percentage of people in the Somali community were participating in these schemes.
00:37:32.860Prosecutors have told me that there are dozens of these schemes that have been perpetrated.
00:37:37.660And some of them are involving dozens and in some cases, hundreds of families.
00:37:42.500And so we're talking about a very high percentage of the population.
00:37:46.880But the point is this related to immigration, we always have had an immigration system that makes group level analyses.
00:37:56.060And so Somalis, for example, for many decades now have been given special privileges in America's immigration system.
00:38:03.800They have special status for asylum, for refugee programs.
00:38:09.160And so we've rewarded Somalis on the basis of a group identity.
00:38:13.560And I think that it's totally fair to say, hey, wait a minute.
00:38:18.120We can't take everyone from around the world.
00:39:41.720I know conservatives are waiting for the backlash to sweep away these corrupt leaders and these feckless and incompetent politicians.
00:39:51.240But there's something about liberal culture where no amount of chaos, corruption, crime, murder, the theft can dissuade them from their core beliefs that our society is bad.
00:40:08.920And as a form of penance or kind of self-flagellation, we have to accept any amount of crime, provided that it's committed by people who can check the identity boxes.
00:40:23.780And so I'm actually pessimistic and skeptical of the idea that Minnesota voters are going to rise up and demand that this corruption stop.
00:40:34.700You know, I remember Michelle Bachman came to my apartment when I was living in New York City, probably about 2008, maybe nine.
00:41:42.140Is this, you know, I hate America so much.
00:41:45.620Cloward and Piven kind of said what what is this?
00:41:48.440So there's two arguments that have been floated to answer in an attempt to answer this question.
00:41:56.160The first argument is that the left knows how to gain power.
00:42:00.560And by importing dependent foreign groups into the into the populace, they have a client that can provide them with votes in exchange for patronage or in this case, corruption.
00:42:13.080And that this is a strategy to amplify their own domestic political power.
00:42:19.640The other hypothesis, and I think for me, the more persuasive hypothesis, is that this is just simple liberal naivete and a kind of suicidal empathy, as Gansad calls it, where they are blind to the consequences of their own actions.
00:42:40.060They judge on inputs rather than outputs.
00:42:43.720And for them, the measure is how compassionate can they be.
00:42:47.380And any imposition of limits or consequences is seen as a violation of core liberal principles.
00:42:55.680You know, it might be a combination of the two.
00:42:58.560But I don't, you know, again, provide barring evidence that emerges.
00:43:03.980I would assume that it's more the latter than the former.
00:43:07.260How do we know for sure that money went to al-Shabaab?
00:43:15.520I mean, first of all, there have been schemes over the last decade where counterterrorism officials tell me that every time they're looking at ISIS recruiting, al-Shabaab recruiting, radical Islamist recruiting, Minneapolis always shows up.
00:43:32.380And in fact, it is really the epicenter of foreign terror recruitment in the United States of America.
00:43:38.840But on the particular question of al-Shabaab, there is the testimony of multiple counterterrorism officials who told us, hey, some of this money is getting siphoned off and essentially taxed by the al-Shabaab terror network once it leaves the United States and goes into the Somali informal banking system.
00:44:01.600Even a left-leaning group like the Foundation for Defense of Democracies has long noted that al-Shabaab skims almost all remittance payments that travel through the country of Somalia.
00:44:14.080And therefore, it stands to reason if people are stealing from the Minnesota government, sending that money back to Somali through the Hawala remittance system, and al-Shabaab is taking their cut, we're talking about a significant amount of money, whether it's intentional or unintentional.
00:45:05.540How do we stop this if our politicians won't do anything in the States?
00:45:11.680Well, there's two things that we can do.
00:45:15.460I think first off, in this particular case, federal prosecutors have done a great job uncovering these Somali fraud rings and implementing prosecutions.
00:45:26.120And so they really deserve enormous credit.
00:45:27.860But the federal government should do much more.
00:45:30.640And I would recommend that, you know, Health and Human Services and other welfare departments at the federal level stop all payments to Minnesota until they have a third-party audit, until they get their fraud under control.
00:45:44.480And, you know, ultimately, you have to stop giving these people money if you want them to change their behavior.
00:45:51.320And so I think a stop payment order on all federal funding to Minnesota programs where there are suspicions of fraud will help clean things up fairly quickly.
00:46:01.600But the reality is that we have a system in the United States where it's always a third-party payer.
00:46:07.700Health insurance, welfare programs, food stamps, autism services, whatever it might be.
00:46:15.700These are massive third-party payer programs.
00:46:18.120The incentives are, you know, not aligned with people actually enforcing the rules.
00:46:23.940And they become easy targets for fraudsters.
00:46:26.940And so Minnesota used to be famous for honesty, fair dealing, good government.
00:46:32.960And in just a short number of decades, their reputation has now been completely inverted.
00:46:39.500And it is, by all accounts, from all of the research that I've done, I think this is likely the largest systematic welfare fraud scheme in American history.
00:46:54.260And thus making it probably the world.