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00:00:45.260 Why does it seem like I care more about the Minnesota taxpayer than the Minnesota taxpayer?

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00:03:38.620 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:03:42.500 You got to ask yourself, why were the Democrats so unbelievably out of their mind when Elon Musk came in and started making cuts?

00:03:54.600 When he started going through with AI and said, just let's just go through the budgets.

00:03:59.400 Let's just look at where money is going.

00:04:01.460 When they cut the USAID, why do you think they went crazy?

00:04:13.300 Because that money was all being funneled to GAOs or to NGOs.

00:04:18.900 It was all going to NGOs.

00:04:21.160 It was going to fund our destruction.

00:04:24.560 When he started going through the budgets, they had to get him out.

00:04:29.900 They had to stop this from happening because of the fraud we're now seeing.

00:04:35.160 If you just joined us, we were talking about the new Obamacare findings from the GAO that shows billions of dollars of fraud that was happening.

00:04:47.740 This is going to set you off even a little bit more.

00:04:54.240 Jason is with me, chief researcher.

00:04:56.000 Jason, help me out because it seems as though I've heard this exact story from the GAO before.

00:05:04.840 True or false?

00:05:06.440 True, unless you're reading a story from 2015 or 2016.

00:05:11.860 Are you?

00:05:12.440 Yeah, no.

00:05:13.240 Oh, this is new today.

00:05:14.120 This is new today.

00:05:15.380 Oh, okay, okay.

00:05:16.740 I'm just confused because these are the exact same findings the GAO had in 2015, 2016.

00:05:23.680 This is absolutely insane.

00:05:25.260 We just pulled this up.

00:05:26.500 It is literally, word for word, almost the same findings they did.

00:05:31.480 Give me the 2016.

00:05:32.600 Here's the 20.

00:05:34.640 Let me see if I can pull it back up.

00:05:36.560 Let me give you the 2020 findings, okay?

00:05:40.720 Government Accountability Office said that every single one of the fictitious people that were submitted names,

00:05:51.840 100% of them were approved.

00:05:53.980 Not only were they approved, they were renewed year after year.

00:05:59.660 And also, there were dead people, like lots of dead people, people that didn't exist at all.

00:06:09.600 We're looking at 66,000 Social Security numbers that didn't match any real living people.

00:06:16.980 58,000 match Social Security death records.

00:06:20.420 Six million people who are not even in the categories they claim to be in the categories.

00:06:24.880 And they're getting tens of thousands of dollars, each of them.

00:06:28.580 Three or four times as many people enrolled in 150, 100 to 150 of poverty into these zero plans.

00:06:38.200 They're not in those income tax brackets.

00:06:40.720 They're not eligible for that money, but they were still getting it.

00:06:43.220 27 to $30 billion in fraud.

00:06:46.440 That's today's story.

00:06:48.300 What's the 2016 story?

00:06:50.660 2016 story.

00:06:52.140 GAO did the exact same thing in 2015 for the re-enrollment period.

00:06:56.460 15 fictitious applications were submitted.

00:07:00.360 All were approved for coverage and subsidies.

00:07:04.300 All.

00:07:04.680 They were approved coverage even when no documents were requested or only fake documents were submitted.

00:07:11.320 And not only this, but it's set to just, it's like the bad subscription that you have

00:07:16.760 that you have no idea that you had, you know, five years ago.

00:07:19.920 It just automatically keeps going.

00:07:21.560 Same thing.

00:07:22.680 Even though you're supposed to file tax returns to show that all your numbers are still lining up.

00:07:28.760 Well, these are fictitious people, so they couldn't obviously pre-file their tax returns.

00:07:33.720 It didn't matter.

00:07:35.240 It still re-auto-enrolled them and we kept paying for this.

00:07:38.580 Exactly what this report today said.

00:07:40.620 What a coincidence.

00:07:43.220 Why does the GAO even bother doing these?

00:07:45.960 Because no one acts on them.

00:07:49.040 Why?

00:07:50.880 You know why.

00:07:52.000 Yes.

00:07:52.700 You know why and I know why.

00:07:53.900 This is, you know, when a government becomes this incompetent and unaccountable, your country

00:08:01.140 starts to completely, completely fall apart.

00:08:04.220 Okay.

00:08:04.980 And we see Democrats now rushing to the microphone to defend the perpetrators.

00:08:11.220 You know, the judges that are reversing verdicts to protect the people who stole from you.

00:08:18.240 I contend that the people that are rushing to the microphones to defend it are the people

00:08:24.100 who have been covering this up.

00:08:26.040 And you see brainwashed Americans.

00:08:28.520 I'm sorry.

00:08:29.340 But if you can't, if you're not outraged by this amount of fraud, I don't care who did it.

00:08:35.420 If you're not outraged and you don't want all of these people to go to jail, you're so

00:08:42.080 brainwashed.

00:08:42.740 You are, you're actually defending the people who are stabbing you in the chest every day.

00:08:50.660 How's that possible?

00:08:52.440 You're, I mean, it is, it's, it's like you have Stockholm syndrome and, and the question

00:08:57.360 is, it's not incompetence, is it?

00:08:59.840 Or is it design?

00:09:01.660 This is how republics fall apart.

00:09:04.140 Okay.

00:09:04.300 Not for an invasion, although we have that going on, not with, you know, just internal,

00:09:10.060 uh, internal strife, which we have going on, not just with financial collapse, which we

00:09:15.740 have going on, but also with internal corruption, which we have going on defended by the same

00:09:24.320 people who lecture you about morality and they're handing out money, your money to imaginary

00:09:31.180 citizens. 0.92

00:09:31.960 And then they have the balls to come and say, if you don't extend these subsidies, 0.97

00:09:39.220 all these people are going to lose cover. 0.95

00:09:42.220 Good.

00:09:43.440 Good. 0.66

00:09:44.000 Let's have the dead people that you're paying, lose that coverage and use that money that

00:09:50.680 you've just blown and give to your friends or your NGOs.

00:09:55.100 Let's use that money to cover the subsidies.

00:09:58.200 What do you say?

00:09:58.920 How about that as a compromise?

00:10:01.060 Stop the, the fraud, stop the fraud.

00:10:05.520 And, and you know, I mean, I just, I, I, is this theft?

00:10:11.860 Is this compassion?

00:10:14.080 Is this incompetence?

00:10:15.700 Is it design?

00:10:18.040 Because Obamacare is not about care.

00:10:20.460 It's not, it's not about healthcare.

00:10:22.880 All of this is about the future of our country and our country will not survive.

00:10:28.140 If we continue to normalize this stuff, if incompetence is just expected, oh, well, that's

00:10:35.100 the government.

00:10:35.980 They lost another $40 billion.

00:10:37.660 If accountability is optional and only you are held accountable, but never anybody who's

00:10:45.660 in the system, then we don't have a system.

00:10:50.620 We have a system of oppression.

00:10:52.560 We have a system of theft.

00:10:54.700 We have a corrupt system.

00:10:56.580 It doesn't get better from here, gang, unless you stand up.

00:10:59.580 It's not going to get better for him.

00:11:01.240 And it's broken.

00:11:02.560 We all know it's broken.

00:11:03.640 Washington knows it's broken and they want it to stay broken.

00:11:07.660 Because broken systems can be controlled, manipulated, exploited for whatever they want.

00:11:16.460 But broken systems can also be fixed.

00:11:19.780 If people stand up and go, you know what?

00:11:21.980 No more, no more.

00:11:22.920 Not with my money, not in my name, not with my country.

00:11:25.960 No.

00:11:28.420 That's why I started the show saying, you know, come January, when the one year anniversary

00:11:34.780 goes on, if I don't see people actually with indictments that are going to jail, all hell

00:11:41.740 is coming to this program.

00:11:44.020 All hell is coming to this program.

00:11:45.940 And I'm going to bring it to a doorstep in Washington, D.C.

00:11:51.260 Pam Bondi, you should know.

00:11:53.320 I've been silent.

00:11:54.560 I have been as supportive as I can be.

00:11:57.140 But if I don't see prosecutions of people, and I don't mean nameless people, I don't mean

00:12:04.300 the little guy, just the Somalian.

00:12:08.780 I want to see the people who were in power that covered this up because that's the real

00:12:15.180 problem.

00:12:15.780 You can get one Somalian, you can put that one Somalian in jail, but you know what happens? 1.00

00:12:21.500 They're replaced with another Somalian or another Italian or another American or another 1.00

00:12:26.700 Mexican or another just, here's an idea, human being. 0.68

00:12:32.000 Because human beings, when they think they can get ahead without getting caught or paying

00:12:36.980 any price, they'll do it.

00:12:39.420 And if you have people in power that want to get ahead and they're in on the corruption

00:12:46.880 and they're excusing all of this and they never pay a price because the one Somalian will 0.94

00:12:53.140 pay the price, it's not going to get better.

00:12:56.780 You know, maybe it's time for the living to remind those who give health care to the dead

00:13:03.120 who actually runs this country.

00:13:05.080 This country, it's my country, it's your country, it's a country of the people who voted unlike

00:13:13.720 I voted.

00:13:15.340 It's the country of Democrats and Republicans and Independents.

00:13:20.260 If you love the country, if you're trying to bilk the country, destroy the country, tear

00:13:28.180 the country down, if you want to build a more perfect nation, then it is your country.

00:13:35.080 Even if we disagree on virtually everything other than I want to build a more perfect

00:13:41.080 nation that frees more people using the Bill of Rights in the Constitution, then it's your

00:13:47.860 country too.

00:13:49.460 But you're either part of the solution or part of the problem.

00:13:52.460 And I see far too many people that are part of the problem.

00:13:55.900 And many of them are in Washington, D.C.

00:13:58.640 In fact, I think most of them are in Washington, D.C.

00:14:00.820 You know, you wouldn't have a problem with whole communities just starting to bilk people,

00:14:06.760 steal a billion dollars.

00:14:08.560 Do you think that just happened?

00:14:10.220 No, that was somebody who was like, you know, you can game this system.

00:14:14.320 And they gamed it so hard.

00:14:16.940 And they were like, look at this is a free this.

00:14:19.180 They're printing money.

00:14:20.360 It's so free.

00:14:21.460 And nobody's saying anything.

00:14:24.180 It's so clear.

00:14:25.340 I'm bilking the system and nobody's saying anything.

00:14:27.960 We can get away with this.

00:14:29.400 And then another person joins in and they're like, oh, my gosh, look at this.

00:14:33.200 And before you know it, you have a whole community because no one was held accountable.

00:14:40.140 And why?

00:14:41.120 In the Somali community, it's because walls and others, they can't say anything about 1.00

00:14:46.980 the Somali community.

00:14:48.020 And it's not because they're afraid of the Somali community.

00:14:51.020 It's not has nothing to do with Muslims.

00:14:52.860 It has everything to do with votes.

00:14:54.900 They need that community.

00:14:56.440 You're not going to be governor if you don't have the Somali community. 1.00

00:15:00.000 So you dare not say anything.

00:15:02.560 How racist is that?

00:15:04.960 Don't tell me I'm racist for pointing out that some Somalians are coming from a country

00:15:11.560 that this is the norm.

00:15:14.480 Their country, Somalia, it is the norm. 1.00

00:15:17.900 This is the way it works. 0.93

00:15:19.400 Corrupt government.

00:15:21.440 This is how people bilk the system.

00:15:24.140 They come over here.

00:15:27.300 And because you don't want to say anything about them, because why?

00:15:31.080 I mean, gee, they won't vote for me.

00:15:33.440 How racist is it that you just think because they're Somalians, they want to live in corruption?

00:15:40.040 Maybe they don't. 0.57

00:15:41.700 And maybe those who do should go to jail or go back to Somalia.

00:15:49.020 When are we going to start hearing this?

00:15:51.000 From people who will actually do something about it.

00:15:55.600 I'm so sick and tired of hearing from people in Washington saying, we're going to do something.

00:16:00.840 We're going to do something.

00:16:01.580 You know what?

00:16:02.040 You elect me. 0.93

00:16:02.900 What the hell is Congress? 0.55

00:16:04.000 I've got a rant on Congress later.

00:16:05.560 Oh, my gosh, the stuff that they're doing.

00:16:08.280 I am so sick of the GOP telling me that they're going to do something.

00:16:14.160 And then what do they do?

00:16:16.480 Well, we're doing an investigation.

00:16:18.620 Well, you know what? 0.97

00:16:19.460 After this next election, bullcrap. 1.00

00:16:22.920 Man, was I close to saying something other than crap. 1.00

00:16:27.240 Bullcrap. 1.00

00:16:27.720 I am so sick and tired of hearing it. 1.00

00:16:30.840 You and the GOP, your time is running out.

00:16:36.560 People that have voted for you, who have supported you, who have done everything they could to make sure you were elected.

00:16:44.160 We're sick and tired of it.

00:16:47.660 We want action.

00:16:49.300 We don't want another bill that says, oh, you know what?

00:16:54.980 It's a super special day because we're doing X, Y, and Z.

00:16:59.180 I want to see actual action on things that actually matter.

00:17:04.260 Good God, man.

00:17:05.500 The republic is at stake.

00:17:07.900 What have you been doing?

00:17:12.260 And I know there are good congressmen.

00:17:14.680 I know there are good senators out there that are beating.

00:17:17.240 They're saying the same thing I'm saying.

00:17:18.680 There are those.

00:17:20.120 I know them.

00:17:21.240 They're saying the same thing I'm saying.

00:17:23.440 I just want to put the people at the top of the party at notice.

00:17:28.820 We're done with you.

00:17:30.620 You've had a year.

00:17:32.160 There's been some great progress in the White House.

00:17:35.380 I've never seen a year like this.

00:17:37.620 I've never seen as much progress as this president has made in nine months.

00:17:42.460 Except I haven't seen any progress, it seems, in corruption, in weaponization.

00:17:52.180 I haven't seen any progress in that.

00:17:54.600 And I don't know if you know this, but if you don't start making progress, you don't deserve to be reelected.

00:18:00.740 You don't deserve the power.

00:18:03.060 And if you screw it up and then we don't have anybody we can get behind because we're sick and tired of it, you know who comes in?

00:18:12.060 People who are going to destroy this country.

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00:18:17.040 Now, when that happens, I have to ask myself, oh, well, maybe you were part of the scam.

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00:18:26.540 Maybe you're a pig at the trough, too. 1.00

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00:19:47.500 Now back to the podcast.

00:19:49.000 Allie, welcome to the program.

00:19:50.100 How are you?

00:19:51.800 Doing well.

00:19:52.580 How are you?

00:19:54.080 I'm really good.

00:19:55.120 I'm really good.

00:19:56.740 Good.

00:19:56.920 It is amazing to me how the awareness of this Islamic takeover of the West, how quickly it is spreading and how quickly people are waking up. 1.00

00:20:12.320 I don't know about the politicians, but the average person is really starting to wake up to this, don't you think?

00:20:18.520 Absolutely.

00:20:19.000 And, of course, you've been warning about this for years, but I think a lot of people are just seeing it infiltrate their neighborhoods.

00:20:24.980 That there's mosques where there used to be churches or where there used to be office buildings.

00:20:30.320 There are people wearing hijabs in their elementary schools and middle schools.

00:20:36.480 There are fewer people celebrating Christmas and Hanukkah around them.

00:20:40.340 And you're told that you're not allowed to notice this, and you're certainly not allowed to care about this.

00:20:45.800 There's no such thing as American culture.

00:20:48.500 You can't care about sharing these celebrations with your neighbors.

00:20:52.620 But people do care.

00:20:53.660 It's very unsettling, and a lot of people are just finding the words and the courage to say something about it.

00:21:00.900 You know, I don't have a problem with, you know, halal or kosher.

00:21:06.400 I don't have a problem.

00:21:07.600 But I do have a problem that my kids' school now has to only serve halal food.

00:21:14.660 I mean, it's like, wait a minute.

00:21:16.060 What?

00:21:17.320 What's up with that?

00:21:18.240 And that's happening all over Texas, where halal is your choice now. 1.00

00:21:23.980 And I just, I mean, can we have a conversation about this, please?

00:21:28.480 You know, I think that's what most people just want.

00:21:30.900 Can we at least have a conversation about what's happening in our country?

00:21:36.260 Right.

00:21:36.540 You know, I asked my Instagram followers, vast majority are women, probably 85% stay-at-home moms. 0.71

00:21:42.620 And when I asked this question, my followers were about 850,000 on Instagram.

00:21:46.700 And I just said, totally open-ended, wasn't looking for a particular answer.

00:21:50.540 Hey, what is your biggest concern with America right now?

00:21:53.360 I was just trying to come up with topics for my show.

00:21:55.620 The number one answer over and over again was the spread of Islamic dominance, where they are living, in America, in the West. 1.00

00:22:06.000 This is very destabilizing for a lot of people.

00:22:09.620 And they are seeing it not just affect people far off, like we used to, but affect their own neighborhoods and their own schools.

00:22:17.100 And so, you know, usually politicians take a while to kind of wake up to what the populace is really scared of.

00:22:22.600 We have seen some good action in Texas, for sure.

00:22:25.880 But this is a real problem.

00:22:27.200 And it's not just an illegal immigration problem.

00:22:30.160 And that's the uncomfortable part of this.

00:22:32.160 Like, this is a cultural issue.

00:22:34.780 This is an immigration issue in general.

00:22:37.480 So we need the people in Washington and in Austin to come up with some good solutions for the people who are concerned about this.

00:22:44.480 You said that your audience is concerned because it affects them.

00:22:48.160 How does it affect them?

00:22:49.340 Well, I think that they're scared of the violent crime that they've seen in places, maybe in their own city, but certainly in places where Islam has dominated. 1.00

00:23:00.440 When we look at places like Dearborn, Michigan, when we look at our friends across the pond, that sexual crimes, that violent crimes all increase disproportionately when there is a large scale importation of people from these Muslim majority countries. 1.00

00:23:16.040 Doesn't mean that they're all like that doesn't mean that they can't be good neighbors, but this is not only a cultural change.

00:23:23.200 This is not only a shift in how their neighborhoods look and feel and the celebrations had and things like that.

00:23:28.860 But this also is potentially a threat to their own safety, especially the safety of their daughters.

00:23:35.700 And people care about that.

00:23:37.320 I was talking to somebody who was doing a podcast with somebody over in London yesterday, and he was talking about this.

00:23:50.020 And I said, you know, I'm not, you know, I don't follow the news all the time, you know, closely like I do in America about, you know, the United Kingdom.

00:23:59.640 But what I'm seeing coming out of Ireland and when you think of Ireland, you think of a very Catholic country, you know, or Protestant, a very Christian country.

00:24:14.280 Right.

00:24:14.980 And they fought wars over their own Christianity.

00:24:18.220 It is almost completely gone now.

00:24:22.140 You have to go to, you know, the way, way, way, way outskirts, you know, the northern part of the island to find that kind of community.

00:24:31.240 The Irish have almost been completely wiped out.

00:24:34.800 There's there's very few churches left.

00:24:37.140 They are all being converted into mosques. 0.98

00:24:39.080 And, you know, OK, well, time passes, et cetera, et cetera.

00:24:43.420 But to not notice and not say, wait a minute, that is the erasing of an entire people and their culture.

00:24:53.500 And that culture is very important to the West.

00:24:57.300 Should we not care about that?

00:25:00.600 Right.

00:25:01.080 Well, certainly, progressives care about it when it comes to, you know, non-British or non-British countries or countries that are not America.

00:25:11.260 They call that colonialism.

00:25:13.020 They call that imperialism.

00:25:14.520 But apparently when Muslims do this, it's fine. 1.00

00:25:17.060 But the problem was at first Islam. 0.98

00:25:18.700 The problem was secularization.

00:25:20.860 The lesson there is that secularism doesn't hold.

00:25:24.240 Atheism, agnosticism don't hold.

00:25:26.660 People are looking for meaning and eventually ideology in one religion will win.

00:25:32.900 And right now, Islam in a lot of countries is winning.

00:25:37.460 You know, you you wrote a book on toxic empathy.

00:25:40.820 And I think.

00:25:43.340 I think it's a mistake on this one to say that it was empathy that we've gone down the road.

00:25:49.880 I think this is especially if you look in Minnesota, they turn a blind eye to what's going on in in Minnesota.

00:25:59.520 And I'll bet you in Michigan as well, because if you don't have the Muslim population on your side, you're not going to be elected governor. 0.62

00:26:07.180 You're not going to be mayor.

00:26:08.560 And so it's not empathy.

00:26:10.040 It's all politics, which makes it even more grotesque.

00:26:13.040 But when I see us turning a blind eye to it, it's we're now entering the time of suicide.

00:26:23.460 And those who are in power are the the doctors engaging in medical assisted suicide for their country.

00:26:32.900 They know what they're doing at this point.

00:26:35.860 They're just choosing their power and hold on to their power for us for as long as they can.

00:26:41.760 And do you think toxic empathy at this point is still playing a role in this Islamic, you know, hostile, political Islamic takeover? 0.88

00:26:54.500 Yeah, I absolutely do. 0.83

00:26:56.340 Now, do I think that that's the case for Tim Walls or Jacob Frey or any of these cowards?

00:27:01.400 No, probably not. 0.89

00:27:02.840 It's probably power.

00:27:04.000 It's fear, as you said.

00:27:05.400 But for the average person, especially for the woman, especially for the person who has been told that loving your neighbor means just accepting all forms of people, no matter what their behavior is.

00:27:17.940 Then, yeah, I do think that people are more scared of Islamophobia or being called an Islamophobe than they are the Islamification of their neighborhood. 0.96

00:27:27.300 In fact, I think they think that their virtue is tied to how much they like halal and how much they accept, you know, the the building of mosques around their neighborhood.

00:27:38.740 And so I do think that people feel so strongly that being exclusive or intolerant in any way is a sign of being a bad person that they won't speak up because the immediate social incentive for speaking up against Islam or against soft on crime policies or anything.

00:27:59.640 It just it doesn't exist.

00:28:01.760 The social incentive in the immediate is to be as progressive as possible.

00:28:08.360 People respond to incentives.

00:28:10.720 So I think that's a big part of what's going on.

00:28:14.280 Love to hear your comments on Trump over the holiday.

00:28:18.380 Tweeted out the official United States foreign population stands at 53 million people, most of which are on welfare from failed nations or from prisons, mental institutions, gangs or drug cartels.

00:28:29.060 They and their children are supported through massive payments from patriotic American citizens who, because of their beautiful hearts, do not want to openly complain or cause trouble in any way, shape or form.

00:28:39.980 They've put up what has been happening to our country, but it's eating them alive to do so.

00:28:46.120 Wow, that's not very empathetic, is it?

00:28:48.840 Right.

00:28:49.400 That's exactly what he's talking about is toxic empathy.

00:28:52.380 He's talking about our compassion as Americans being weaponized against us.

00:28:56.580 Because the problem, I wouldn't have said it's a problem, but now it's kind of becoming a problem, is that for conservatives, we're thinking individually.

00:29:04.100 We're thinking about our family and we're thinking, OK, whatever, just take my taxes, do what you have to do.

00:29:08.520 I'm going to keep my head down.

00:29:09.580 I'm going to work hard.

00:29:10.360 I'm going to move further outside of the city.

00:29:11.840 I'm going to homeschool.

00:29:13.060 I'll just, you know, take the Benedict option and kind of be a recluse.

00:29:16.140 As long as my family is safe, as long as I can make money, as long as things are OK here, then I'll be fine.

00:29:22.320 Well, progressives, for the most part, don't think that way.

00:29:24.560 They think collectively.

00:29:26.140 They are looking to build a coalition to take power.

00:29:29.820 We are just thinking about our family and about our immediate future in our local community.

00:29:36.960 And that's not really a fair fight when you have someone who is thinking in the big sense and we're thinking in the micro.

00:29:43.820 And so he's absolutely right.

00:29:46.800 And that is one weakness that we Christian and conservatives have, even if we're right in thinking that way. 0.98

00:29:54.160 It's hurting us now, especially in ideology like Islam that means submission. 1.00

00:29:59.780 They're looking to conquer.

00:30:01.560 And conservatives in general, we just haven't been thinking that way.

00:30:05.640 I was talking to a guy from the United Kingdom and I said, how close are you guys to civil war?

00:30:11.720 I mean, I see what's going on and, you know, collapse.

00:30:14.760 And it's I mean, it's bad.

00:30:16.380 And he said, I think it's beyond saving, but for God.

00:30:22.200 And what came to mind as he said that was, yeah, I agree with that, except you've become a godless country.

00:30:30.680 I mean, you know, the Church of England just raised the Islamic flag over the Church of England last week.

00:30:37.200 I mean, what what what God is there?

00:30:41.240 Right.

00:30:41.840 He said that there was a resurgence of faith, which would be great.

00:30:46.600 But how do we fix this, Allie?

00:30:48.680 Gosh, I pray to the Lord that that is true, that there is some kind of revival that we don't see.

00:30:55.200 It's important to know that God's work doesn't always make headlines.

00:30:58.360 It doesn't always go viral when it seems like he's just doing one thing.

00:31:01.260 He's actually doing a million things in the unseen and unsung work of just faithful believers that might not have radio shows or podcasts, but they are doing God's work.

00:31:10.420 And so I pray to the Lord that that is true.

00:31:12.960 It is I can't imagine like a better signifier that you've been conquered than, you know, another ideology raising its flag over your territory.

00:31:21.080 I mean, that is literally a sign that you have been conquered.

00:31:24.360 But God, but God can do anything.

00:31:26.820 And so we should pray.

00:31:28.240 He works through the prayer of believers.

00:31:30.940 He works through the obedience of believers, the boldness of evangelism of believers.

00:31:34.760 We can't all change the world, but we can be faithful with whatever spot of eternity God has providentially placed us in to make it better for the glory of God, to share the gospel and to speak beauty and truth and goodness into whatever sphere we occupy.

00:31:49.840 That is the responsibility of a Christian. 0.94

00:31:52.200 That is how God has moved mountains for over 2000 years.

00:31:55.320 And I think he will continue to.

00:31:58.220 Allie, thank you.

00:31:59.820 God bless you.

00:32:00.500 Thank you very much.

00:32:01.200 You bet host of Blaze TV, relatable Allie Best Stuckey. 1.00

00:32:06.800 She is the Phyllis Schlafly of our day.

00:32:10.540 And I couldn't be more proud of her.

00:32:13.220 I'm just she's just a good woman.

00:32:15.520 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:32:18.900 So I first ran into Chris Ruffo.

00:32:21.140 I don't even know how many lifetimes ago he was working for the City Journal and he was starting to uncover things.

00:32:28.560 And he just started doing investigations on things that he cared about.

00:32:32.420 And all of a sudden, he is one of the best investigative reporters out there.

00:32:38.980 Extraordinarily credible.

00:32:40.820 Right.

00:32:41.440 Almost every single time.

00:32:43.180 And he is joining us at the Blaze.

00:32:47.000 He is the host now of his own TV show, Ruffo and Lomaz.

00:32:51.960 And he's the guy who broke the story a couple weeks ago about the Minnesota taxpayers who are funding a terrorist group, Al Shabab.

00:33:02.420 I don't know.

00:33:03.120 Is that a problem?

00:33:03.720 Can I ask you, am I more outraged?

00:33:08.800 And I haven't paid any Minnesota tax.

00:33:10.920 Am I more outraged than the people of Minnesota?

00:33:14.960 I mean, I know there's, you know, it's Norwegians up there.

00:33:17.900 And so they're, you know, Norwegians are like, yeah, sure.

00:33:20.280 I mean, you know, they don't seem to get very excited about it.

00:33:23.880 And they're very, you know, socialized and everything else.

00:33:26.440 They're very big heart, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:33:28.800 And they don't seem to, you know, they, they, they're, they're Swedish, Norwegian, you know.

00:33:37.340 But is there any point where they're outraged?

00:33:39.780 Is there any point where they're like, you know what?

00:33:41.400 This socialization thing is good, but not like this.

00:33:45.360 This socialized, hey, let's help everybody, but not like this.

00:33:49.480 I mean, you had a billion dollars taken from the taxpayers.

00:33:52.980 A billion.

00:33:53.980 Is, and I don't hear anything from the people of, I mean, if your government, if you were taken for a billion dollars and your money, you knew was being taken away from children who need food.

00:34:10.320 They were faking all kinds of health issues for other children.

00:34:16.920 And so taking money away from real autistic programs and then putting it in and sending it to a terror group. 0.83

00:34:24.660 Wouldn't you be kind of pissed?

00:34:26.440 Because I know I would be.

00:34:28.140 Are the people in Minnesota pissed about it?

00:34:30.560 I don't know.

00:34:32.420 I mean, I don't think if it was my state, I don't think my governor would still be in the governor's office.

00:34:37.020 But, you know, maybe that's just me.

00:34:38.800 But Christopher Ruffo joins me now.

00:34:41.540 Chris, we were just talking about, I mean, first of all, thank you for not only this story, but all the stories and things that you have exposed over the years.

00:34:50.420 Thank you for doing all of the hard work and being credible the whole time.

00:34:55.660 It doesn't.

00:34:57.160 Am I more outraged by this story than the people of Minneapolis?

00:35:01.480 Because they don't seem to have a problem with it.

00:35:04.020 Is it just me?

00:35:04.860 Well, it's even more bizarre, actually.

00:35:09.180 You're outraged about the proper thing to be outraged about, which is that a group that is a recent arrival was permitted kind of asylum refugee status into the United States has now systematically looted the treasury of the state of Minnesota.

00:35:22.960 Minnesota, but Minnesota politicians are also outraged.

00:35:27.280 But they're outraged that we've noticed this and that we've called this out and that we're saying this is not OK.

00:35:33.560 And so you have the mayor of Minneapolis speaking in Somali, saying that he's going to, you know, do whatever he can, do whatever he can to, you know, to shelter the Somali community from any criticism at all.

00:35:45.700 And I just find this borderline suicidal and the Scandinavian kind of Scandinavian founding culture of Minnesota is just being systematically exploited.

00:35:59.520 And they seem to have no ability to even defend themselves against it.

00:36:04.340 I mean, what's happened to Sweden is happening in, you know, in in Minnesota.

00:36:11.400 Minnesota, it's just they take the kindness and the social is, you know, the socialized everything, and they just absolutely abuse it until there is nothing left.

00:36:21.580 And, you know, I don't let me ask a question.

00:36:24.680 And and I want to be really careful here because, you know, I and I know you're not nobody, nobody is reasonably saying this, that all Somalis just want to rip us off. 1.00

00:36:34.720 Not true. I think there's probably a lot of people that wanted to get away from Somalia because it is an absolutely corrupt system. 1.00

00:36:42.440 And now our politicians are just recreating, you know, what they had in Somalia.

00:36:48.540 And I can't believe that everybody from Somalia in Minnesota is for that. 1.00

00:36:53.940 But when you when you look at where they came from, that is the way their government works.

00:37:01.480 It is so rife with corruption.

00:37:05.380 Is this something that is being imported or is this just a handful of bad guys? 0.73

00:37:12.200 Well, it's a little bit of both.

00:37:14.540 And as you said, we have to be careful and precise in how we think about it.

00:37:18.660 But what's happening is that obviously not every Somali is participating in these fraud schemes.

00:37:23.940 But it's true that many, many, many, a extraordinarily high percentage of people in the Somali community were participating in these schemes.

00:37:32.860 Prosecutors have told me that there are dozens of these schemes that have been perpetrated.

00:37:37.660 And some of them are involving dozens and in some cases, hundreds of families.

00:37:42.500 And so we're talking about a very high percentage of the population.

00:37:46.880 But the point is this related to immigration, we always have had an immigration system that makes group level analyses.

00:37:56.060 And so Somalis, for example, for many decades now have been given special privileges in America's immigration system. 0.74

00:38:03.800 They have special status for asylum, for refugee programs.

00:38:09.160 And so we've rewarded Somalis on the basis of a group identity. 0.83

00:38:13.560 And I think that it's totally fair to say, hey, wait a minute.

00:38:18.120 We can't take everyone from around the world. 1.00

00:38:20.600 We have to prioritize by group.

00:38:22.900 We can't judge every single human being around the world as an individual.

00:38:27.060 And the reality is that the Somali community is not coming as individuals.

00:38:31.360 They're coming as a community.

00:38:33.720 And so you can say, you know, there are absolutely great people, wonderful Somalis.

00:38:39.700 The incredible Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Somali, incredible woman. 1.00

00:38:45.160 But the fact is, is that they're bringing the cultural systems from Somalia to the United States.

00:38:52.600 And they're just fundamentally incompatible.

00:38:55.620 That's that's the the the the the brass tacks, the bottom line, the end of the story.

00:39:01.380 And and what I was looking for and hoping for was that Somali leaders would stand up and say, what's happening in our community is wrong. 0.99

00:39:11.140 We're going to work with we're going to work with law enforcement to stamp out this corruption within our own house.

00:39:18.080 But instead, they've gone just the opposite.

00:39:21.460 They're promising that that members of their community should have no criticism and should operate with impunity.

00:39:28.760 Tim Walls and even Mayor Frey, how do they survive this?

00:39:38.640 Here's here's the actual sad truth. 0.95

00:39:41.720 I know conservatives are waiting for the backlash to sweep away these corrupt leaders and these feckless and incompetent politicians.

00:39:51.240 But there's something about liberal culture where no amount of chaos, corruption, crime, murder, the theft can dissuade them from their core beliefs that our society is bad.

00:40:08.920 And as a form of penance or kind of self-flagellation, we have to accept any amount of crime, provided that it's committed by people who can check the identity boxes.

00:40:23.780 And so I'm actually pessimistic and skeptical of the idea that Minnesota voters are going to rise up and demand that this corruption stop.

00:40:34.700 You know, I remember Michelle Bachman came to my apartment when I was living in New York City, probably about 2008, maybe nine.

00:40:43.040 And she sat me down.

00:40:44.820 She said, Glenn, you got to pay attention to what's happening with our State Department in Minnesota.

00:40:48.980 And I said, what do you mean?

00:40:49.680 And she said, they're moving whole communities into into Minnesota.

00:40:55.640 And she's like, and I said, communities, what do you mean?

00:40:58.800 And she said, Somalis.

00:41:00.120 And I'm like, why would they be moving to Minnesota?

00:41:04.600 I mean, you come from Somalia.

00:41:06.280 What you you miss being surrounded by feet of snow for six months out of the year.

00:41:14.520 And she said, no, she said it is the State Department.

00:41:17.520 It's like they selected, you know, Minnesota and moved people in as a community.

00:41:22.140 Was this was this done?

00:41:25.880 I mean, I'm having a hard time separating like USAID.

00:41:29.820 I know what that is.

00:41:31.320 We all know what that is.

00:41:32.800 This is corruption.

00:41:34.020 And they knew exactly what they were doing.

00:41:36.860 Is this incompetence, just corruption?

00:41:39.940 Is there planning involved in this? 0.88

00:41:42.140 Is this, you know, I hate America so much.

00:41:45.620 Cloward and Piven kind of said what what is this?

00:41:48.440 So there's two arguments that have been floated to answer in an attempt to answer this question.

00:41:56.160 The first argument is that the left knows how to gain power.

00:42:00.560 And by importing dependent foreign groups into the into the populace, they have a client that can provide them with votes in exchange for patronage or in this case, corruption. 0.90

00:42:13.080 And that this is a strategy to amplify their own domestic political power.

00:42:19.640 The other hypothesis, and I think for me, the more persuasive hypothesis, is that this is just simple liberal naivete and a kind of suicidal empathy, as Gansad calls it, where they are blind to the consequences of their own actions.

00:42:40.060 They judge on inputs rather than outputs.

00:42:43.720 And for them, the measure is how compassionate can they be.

00:42:47.380 And any imposition of limits or consequences is seen as a violation of core liberal principles.

00:42:55.680 You know, it might be a combination of the two.

00:42:58.560 But I don't, you know, again, provide barring evidence that emerges.

00:43:03.980 I would assume that it's more the latter than the former.

00:43:07.260 How do we know for sure that money went to al-Shabaab?

00:43:14.260 Great question.

00:43:15.520 I mean, first of all, there have been schemes over the last decade where counterterrorism officials tell me that every time they're looking at ISIS recruiting, al-Shabaab recruiting, radical Islamist recruiting, Minneapolis always shows up.

00:43:32.380 And in fact, it is really the epicenter of foreign terror recruitment in the United States of America.

00:43:38.840 But on the particular question of al-Shabaab, there is the testimony of multiple counterterrorism officials who told us, hey, some of this money is getting siphoned off and essentially taxed by the al-Shabaab terror network once it leaves the United States and goes into the Somali informal banking system.

00:43:58.440 But this is really not in dispute.

00:44:01.600 Even a left-leaning group like the Foundation for Defense of Democracies has long noted that al-Shabaab skims almost all remittance payments that travel through the country of Somalia.

00:44:14.080 And therefore, it stands to reason if people are stealing from the Minnesota government, sending that money back to Somali through the Hawala remittance system, and al-Shabaab is taking their cut, we're talking about a significant amount of money, whether it's intentional or unintentional.

00:44:32.840 The end result is the same.

00:44:34.980 Al-Shabaab is receiving American taxpayer dollars that were stolen and then routed through their networks.

00:44:41.680 So how has this stopped?

00:44:44.860 Because, I mean, it doesn't look like anything in Minnesota is going to happen.

00:44:47.600 How has this stopped?

00:44:50.420 Because it feels honestly, and you would know better than I do, it feels like the tip of the iceberg.

00:44:55.740 I mean, you know, today the story from the GAO on Obamacare, that's completely out of control.

00:45:00.840 USAID, this is happening.

00:45:03.160 I mean, tip of the iceberg.

00:45:05.540 How do we stop this if our politicians won't do anything in the States?

00:45:11.680 Well, there's two things that we can do.

00:45:15.460 I think first off, in this particular case, federal prosecutors have done a great job uncovering these Somali fraud rings and implementing prosecutions. 0.99

00:45:26.120 And so they really deserve enormous credit.

00:45:27.860 But the federal government should do much more.

00:45:30.640 And I would recommend that, you know, Health and Human Services and other welfare departments at the federal level stop all payments to Minnesota until they have a third-party audit, until they get their fraud under control.

00:45:44.480 And, you know, ultimately, you have to stop giving these people money if you want them to change their behavior.

00:45:51.320 And so I think a stop payment order on all federal funding to Minnesota programs where there are suspicions of fraud will help clean things up fairly quickly.

00:46:01.600 But the reality is that we have a system in the United States where it's always a third-party payer.

00:46:07.700 Health insurance, welfare programs, food stamps, autism services, whatever it might be.

00:46:15.700 These are massive third-party payer programs.

00:46:18.120 The incentives are, you know, not aligned with people actually enforcing the rules.

00:46:23.940 And they become easy targets for fraudsters.

00:46:26.940 And so Minnesota used to be famous for honesty, fair dealing, good government.

00:46:32.540 Oh, yeah.

00:46:32.960 And in just a short number of decades, their reputation has now been completely inverted.

00:46:39.500 And it is, by all accounts, from all of the research that I've done, I think this is likely the largest systematic welfare fraud scheme in American history.

00:46:54.260 And thus making it probably the world.

00:46:57.780 Chris, thanks for everything.

00:46:59.620 I'm so glad that you're part of the blaze.

00:47:01.420 God bless you.

00:47:01.940 Thank you for everything you're doing.

00:47:03.860 Thanks, Glenn.

00:47:05.500 You bet.

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