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00:00:00.000 Well, in a time where it's super, super special, where Ford Motor Company comes out and says that they're losing $130, I'm sorry, $130,000 on every EV they build, I don't think we're in trouble at all.

00:00:15.880 Of course, you know, the White House Correspondents Dinner happened this weekend, and it was, oh, it was, well, I don't know, because I didn't watch it, and we're not going to talk about it.

00:00:25.380 Although, Sophia Bush, the actress that nobody knows and nobody cares about, has come out as queer at the White House Correspondents Dinner, which is, well, I don't really care, because I don't really know who she is, but I'm glad that's part of the news today. 1.00

00:00:43.740 Iraq has now passed, you know, kind of a, well, a death penalty, you know, if you're gay. 0.51

00:00:50.580 Okay, so you got that going for you there. 0.99

00:00:55.380 Hey, hey, hey, ho, ho, Palestinians, go, go. 1.00

00:01:00.200 And speaking of that, we do about probably 30, 40 minutes on what some would say the, I don't know, mental institution that is our college campus grounds.

00:01:13.720 We're going to see some of the exciting things that they're doing, including calling for that caliphate and the death of all Jews, which is, you know, always everybody's super favorite that kind of, you know, it might be something that you look at and go, gee, I wonder, is there something to be concerned about with this group of people? 0.98

00:01:35.240 No, and Russell Brand, Russell Brand was baptized, became a Christian over the weekend, all this and so much more on today's podcast, my family and I, we are preparing, we're just preparing for, you know, anything from a blip to a major catastrophe.

00:01:55.060 We want to make sure that my family is ready and, and that just doesn't mean my family, that means sharing it with as many people as we know.

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00:03:04.040 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:03:16.380 I don't know about you, but when I hear Allah Akbar, I think God is great. 0.98

00:03:22.340 Uh, and that's why he'll destroy that other imposter that's saying kill people. 0.67

00:03:29.540 And anyway, how are you?

00:03:31.260 Welcome to the program.

00:03:32.360 We're glad you're here.

00:03:33.480 Uh, Pat Gray joins us fresh off a student protest.

00:03:36.920 How was the weekend Stu or Pat?

00:03:39.280 Oh, it was protestastic.

00:03:42.740 Oh, really?

00:03:43.500 Yeah.

00:03:43.720 Was it?

00:03:44.460 Really?

00:03:45.140 Really?

00:03:45.760 Which one did you choose to, uh, to protest at?

00:03:49.120 I went to the one, uh, at Harvard.

00:03:52.480 At Harvard?

00:03:53.160 Yeah.

00:03:53.660 Oh, did you raise the flag?

00:03:55.180 I helped.

00:03:56.100 Yeah.

00:03:56.460 Yeah.

00:03:56.520 I helped lower the American flag first.

00:03:58.760 Yeah.

00:03:59.100 Which had to be taken out of the way and then raise the Palestinian flag.

00:04:03.460 Amen.

00:04:04.300 Yeah.

00:04:04.600 It's a beautiful moment for all of us.

00:04:06.340 What about the flag for tolerance?

00:04:07.620 Well, those colors and like the, it was a rainbow, but then they've changed into like

00:04:11.520 943 colors and directions and diagonal lines.

00:04:14.880 Did you get that one?

00:04:15.660 Yeah.

00:04:16.060 We got that one too.

00:04:17.060 Yeah.

00:04:17.400 Which is interesting because in, in the Gaza Strip, you know, they, those people would,

00:04:22.640 would be killed.

00:04:23.940 And, uh, and so it's great that they support the Palestinian cause anyway. 0.84

00:04:29.180 I love that.

00:04:30.340 Uh, very, very tolerant.

00:04:31.420 Selfless.

00:04:32.160 Yeah.

00:04:32.560 Very selfless.

00:04:33.400 Very selfless, very selfless.

00:04:35.860 So, you know, I was looking at the, uh, uh, the, the trend here on the summers and there's

00:04:42.260 something here that I don't know if anybody else has caught.

00:04:45.120 Uh, I mean, in 2017 in the summer, uh, you know, we still had the women's March, uh, going

00:04:51.480 on with that was 2017 all, you know, that was the big protest that year.

00:04:55.100 Uh, then, uh, the March for our lives, which was against guns, uh, in the, in 2018, 2019

00:05:02.380 became very busy because you had, um, Greta, you know, very upset about how dare you and

00:05:08.600 the climate change and everything else.

00:05:10.440 And so she got a bunch of, uh, people to block traffic and throw soup at really expensive

00:05:16.200 paintings, which I think, you know, it really turned me.

00:05:20.500 I was like, I don't know if I trust this, you know, little puny pipsqueak.

00:05:25.100 And then she was like, you know, we've got to destroy paintings and the soup.

00:05:29.860 And I thought, okay.

00:05:31.900 Um, then the, uh, oh, by the way, that year also we had, we set Portland on fire.

00:05:36.620 I think we set Minneapolis on fire.

00:05:39.060 Chaz, uh, was built in Seattle.

00:05:41.720 How's that doing now up in Seattle?

00:05:43.600 Well, I don't even want to ask.

00:05:45.020 I'm sure it's doing well.

00:05:46.040 Then in 2020, uh, we had the COVID, uh, uh, protests, which couldn't be done because

00:05:53.000 of COVID.

00:05:53.460 It was really, it was wrong.

00:05:55.100 But if you happen to want to march with BLM and loot some stores, you know what I'm saying?

00:06:01.460 Uh, then it was okay.

00:06:02.860 Then it was okay.

00:06:03.660 Uh, 21, we had the masks, uh, vaccines 22.

00:06:08.220 It starts to slow down.

00:06:10.060 Strangely after Joe Biden is elected, it kind of, you know, the mask and the vaccines and

00:06:14.800 nobody really pays attention.

00:06:15.860 And then 22, you know, the Putin stooge, you know, if you're for, if you're, if you're not

00:06:21.160 willing to send all of your money, all of your money over to Ukraine, you love Putin.

00:06:26.260 Then 23 last summer was kind of a yawn fest, which I think it was kind of like, Hey, let's just take a break because we got a big, big summer coming up.

00:06:36.820 And if our guy loses, we're going to have to just keep upping the ante every, uh, every summer.

00:06:41.700 So this year is the summer of global jihad.

00:06:44.940 So, uh, that's great next summer.

00:06:47.440 I'm not sure, but I think it's the summer of, uh, Satan is neat, uh, marches, which will, which will display the rainbow flag, but it won't look exactly the same.

00:06:59.200 Um, it's exactly the same, except it's all black and like the caliphate flag, you know, but that has right whiting on it. 0.90

00:07:06.640 A white writing.

00:07:08.320 So, you know, all the diverse colors, even the white stuff just fades right directly to, to black. 0.79

00:07:16.300 So Satan is neat coming next summer.

00:07:18.900 Make sure you prepare your kids in college.

00:07:23.560 I was thinking of the, uh, um, the t-shirt we made a while ago.

00:07:27.320 That's just says learn then protest.

00:07:30.120 The order is important.

00:07:32.420 And I feel like it really applies more relevant than ever.

00:07:35.480 Yeah.

00:07:35.840 Now, doesn't it?

00:07:36.700 Kind of feels relevant. 0.99

00:07:37.880 Are you saying that you're big fat dummies? 0.99

00:07:39.340 Yeah. 1.00

00:07:39.780 Yeah.

00:07:40.140 Kind of, kind of saying that. 1.00

00:07:41.380 Big fat dummies. 0.98

00:07:42.720 Learn then protest.com, by the way, if you want to get the shirt. 0.98

00:07:45.320 Yeah.

00:07:45.440 Because it's something you could wear to the protests.

00:07:47.140 Because I don't think they know what the order is.

00:07:49.600 I think they're.

00:07:49.960 No, they don't.

00:07:50.680 They're at least doing one of the things.

00:07:52.200 They're protesting.

00:07:53.140 There's no evidence that they're learning, but they should know that the steps are clear.

00:07:57.060 You need to learn about the topic you're protesting.

00:08:00.820 And then you go to the protest.

00:08:02.220 Well, you saw.

00:08:02.960 They have the, they have the receipts on learning.

00:08:05.120 Okay.

00:08:05.460 They have the receipts.

00:08:07.000 $90,000 a year.

00:08:08.660 And they're learning.

00:08:10.040 They're learning a lot.

00:08:11.680 Yeah.

00:08:11.940 You saw the girls interviewed last week, right?

00:08:15.560 Yeah.

00:08:15.720 At some of those protests where they're asked, why, why are you here?

00:08:19.560 What, what about the Palestinian situation has, you know, motivated you to get out and, and

00:08:26.620 speak on their behalf?

00:08:27.940 And none of them knew.

00:08:31.380 Not one of them understood why they were there.

00:08:35.440 In fact, they said, yeah, I'm not that educated on it.

00:08:38.660 Then why are you standing there with a placard?

00:08:44.720 Why?

00:08:45.620 They don't know.

00:08:46.520 They have no idea.

00:08:47.880 So yeah, I think it's really important.

00:08:49.620 Learn, then protest.

00:08:52.020 It would be nice.

00:08:53.120 It would be nice.

00:08:53.900 It'd be a nice change.

00:08:55.280 It would.

00:08:55.920 I think it would solve a lot of these problems.

00:08:57.480 And, you know, and again, you guys were, I know, won over by the soup on the paintings.

00:09:01.660 I, myself, I like to at least miss one flight.

00:09:06.840 I want to be in, on a road, on the way to the airport, and I want to miss that flight.

00:09:12.400 And then I think, wow, the Gauzens are the good guys in this.

00:09:17.120 Yeah, because there was people laying in the roadway?

00:09:19.720 Yeah.

00:09:20.020 Is that why you, yeah.

00:09:20.860 Exactly.

00:09:21.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:21.800 I love that.

00:09:22.560 That convinces me.

00:09:23.760 Oh, every time.

00:09:24.700 Mm-hmm.

00:09:25.180 I've talked about this for decades because of the protests in Houston that dumped garbage

00:09:31.100 in intersections.

00:09:32.260 Man, that won me over to the janitors downtown and their plight.

00:09:35.380 Oh, yeah.

00:09:35.680 Who wanted them to make $1,000 an hour after they dumped garbage in my way? 1.00

00:09:41.220 I loved it.

00:09:42.140 I loved it.

00:09:42.580 So it's weird because I didn't see all those protesters.

00:09:45.640 I just noticed, I was near campus this weekend, I just noticed how many speed bumps they put

00:09:52.140 on the roads all around the campus.

00:09:54.700 So I didn't see the die-in at all.

00:09:58.280 Anyway, by the way, there is Marianne Alwan.

00:10:01.700 This is a very sad, tragic story.

00:10:03.580 This is from AP.

00:10:05.600 Marianne Alwan, she figured the worst was over when the New York City police, in riot gear,

00:10:11.600 mind you, arrested her on the Columbia University campus and then loaded her and others onto the

00:10:17.280 bus and held them in custody for hours.

00:10:20.640 But the next evening, yeah, she thought it was over, but it wasn't.

00:10:25.220 The next evening, she received a CURT email from the university.

00:10:30.660 And I'm talking CURT.

00:10:32.100 She and other students, it said, were being suspended for their arrests at the Gaza Solidarity

00:10:39.140 encampment.

00:10:40.980 And this is a tactic that a lot of colleges are using now.

00:10:45.060 You know, they're just saying, hey, we want you out of here.

00:10:47.940 And so now the students' rights to protest for these things.

00:10:54.540 And there's faculty that are standing with the protesters and they're like, hey, they

00:10:59.460 shouldn't be forced out of school.

00:11:01.240 What do you mean you're going to suspend them?

00:11:03.760 And the terms of the suspension vary from campus to campus.

00:11:07.500 Because at Columbia and its affiliated Bernard College for Women, Alwan and dozens more were

00:11:15.520 arrested on April 18th, barred from campus and classes, unable to attend in person or

00:11:23.220 virtually, and banned from the dining halls.

00:11:26.520 Wow.

00:11:26.680 I mean, where are you going to eat?

00:11:27.500 There's, I mean, it's practically a food desert there in Manhattan.

00:11:30.780 Questions about her academic future remains.

00:11:33.500 Will she be allowed to take final exams?

00:11:35.540 What about financial aid, graduation?

00:11:38.820 Columbia says the outcomes will be decided at disciplinary hearings.

00:11:43.300 And she and her attorney said, this is very dystopian. 0.97

00:11:48.460 I mean, all we were calling for was chanting was death to the Jews. 1.00

00:11:52.060 And now we can't, now they suddenly don't want us on campus. 0.60

00:11:56.980 That's weird.

00:11:57.880 Huh?

00:11:58.260 That's weird.

00:11:59.500 That is weird. 0.96

00:12:00.360 You would think we would tolerate death to Jews chants, wouldn't you? 1.00

00:12:05.540 At a major American university, you would, in fact, you'd welcome it, right?

00:12:12.440 Because when we said never again, we didn't mean never again.

00:12:17.800 We meant until 2024.

00:12:20.120 Yeah, never again until now.

00:12:21.560 Yeah.

00:12:22.100 Yeah.

00:12:22.440 Right.

00:12:23.000 Yeah.

00:12:23.200 An attorney for the Palestinian legal fund, which is, gosh, I'd love to know who set this

00:12:30.940 all up for them.

00:12:32.020 But they're helping groups all over college campuses.

00:12:35.520 And they filed a civil suit, a civil rights case against the school, accusing Columbia of

00:12:46.340 not doing enough to really address the discrimination against the Palestinian students.

00:12:51.680 Yeah.

00:12:52.220 They're the victims.

00:12:53.480 They're the victims.

00:12:54.660 Amen.

00:12:55.500 Yeah.

00:12:55.720 And the level of punishment, according to the attorney, is not even just draconian.

00:13:00.980 Okay?

00:13:01.720 It's like over the...

00:13:02.940 I love attorneys that say, it's like over-the-top callousness.

00:13:08.620 Mm-hmm.

00:13:09.000 Is that worse than draconian?

00:13:10.440 Because it seems like draconian's worse than that.

00:13:12.900 Yeah.

00:13:13.680 I mean, draconian.

00:13:15.200 Worse than callousness?

00:13:15.740 Think about what the word callousness means.

00:13:17.540 Like, you have callousness on your hand.

00:13:19.260 Right.

00:13:19.740 Okay.

00:13:20.760 Yeah.

00:13:21.120 Yeah.

00:13:21.640 All right.

00:13:22.000 What's that?

00:13:22.340 Bad.

00:13:22.780 So it's the...

00:13:23.420 Wow.

00:13:23.760 That's bad.

00:13:24.480 Yeah.

00:13:24.900 It's not good.

00:13:26.940 No.

00:13:27.460 It's not.

00:13:29.580 Draconian.

00:13:30.080 What is...

00:13:31.660 That just conjures up.

00:13:32.960 I don't know.

00:13:33.340 That's about Dracula.

00:13:33.980 Dracula.

00:13:34.160 Dracula.

00:13:34.300 Dracula's not even real.

00:13:36.740 Callousness are real.

00:13:38.060 That's true.

00:13:38.660 Yeah.

00:13:39.280 And the only real Dracula is Count Chocula, which he produces incredibly delicious cereal.

00:13:45.660 No, seriously.

00:13:46.460 Right.

00:13:46.660 Which is not a bad thing.

00:13:47.820 Not a bad thing at all.

00:13:48.620 So draconian's a positive word.

00:13:50.640 It means chocolate.

00:13:51.540 Well...

00:13:52.340 Thank you.

00:13:54.480 Definition chocolatey.

00:13:55.260 It's chocolatey.

00:13:56.920 Right.

00:13:57.720 Right.

00:13:59.140 Palestinian legal filed the complaint Thursday at the U.S. Department of Education's Office

00:14:04.340 for Civil Rights.

00:14:05.340 Oh, it's going to be fixed there.

00:14:07.180 The four pro-Palestinian students and the student group of Columbia Students for Justice

00:14:11.780 in Palestine are the real victims. 1.00

00:14:13.560 The group calls for an investigation into the university's handling of alleged discrimination

00:14:18.480 and harassment against pro-Palestinian students by Columbia students.

00:14:23.180 As a Palestinian student, I've been harassed, doxxed, shouted down, and discriminated against

00:14:30.700 by my fellow students and professors simply because of my identity and my commitment to

00:14:37.220 advocating for my own rights and freedoms.

00:14:39.500 And, of course, taking over the campus illegally and pitching a tent there and then just causing 0.98

00:14:46.620 mayhem on campus and chanting death to the Jews. 0.77

00:14:51.200 But other than that, they're just wanting their own civil rights. 0.98

00:14:54.440 They've done nothing wrong.

00:14:55.680 Nothing wrong.

00:14:56.420 That's wonderful.

00:14:57.040 Can we hit on this doxxing thing that they keep complaining about?

00:15:00.860 Like this big complaint that all these protests are upset because people are coming, they're

00:15:04.480 taking pictures of them, they're on video, and the doxxing they're talking about is potentially

00:15:09.260 leaking the fact that they were at these protests where, you know, the Jews were being

00:15:13.960 threatened that might be leaked to future employers.

00:15:17.020 And that is, of course, very, very wrong.

00:15:19.280 This, by the way, coming from this same group of people that, after the Charlottesville rally,

00:15:26.060 went through every frame of video to try to identify every person who was there.

00:15:31.640 And I will remind you of the story of Cole White.

00:15:35.920 Cole White, a guy who went to the Charlottesville protests and then was tracked across the country

00:15:43.120 and eventually pressured his employer for him to be fired.

00:15:48.820 Is this the hot dog guy?

00:15:50.100 He worked at a hot dog stand.

00:15:52.220 They got a man fired from a hot dog stand because he went to, I don't know if the hot 0.99

00:15:58.400 dogs were racist or not.

00:15:59.900 I'm not 100% sure on that.

00:16:01.180 But now these people who are going to go get jobs as lawyers and doctors and all these other

00:16:07.820 things, they're worried about them not being able to get employment after they freaking

00:16:13.200 got a guy fired from a hot dog stand.

00:16:15.300 I have no sympathy for you whatsoever.

00:16:17.240 I mean, you know, it is a double whammy with him. 0.90

00:16:23.060 He not only was a Nazi, but his last name also was White. 0.92

00:16:26.320 Oh, yeah. 0.95

00:16:27.080 And, you know, that's always a problem.

00:16:29.720 Too much.

00:16:30.200 Too much.

00:16:30.660 Too much.

00:16:31.480 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:16:34.240 Andy McCarthy, a National Review contributing editor, the Institute's senior fellow, and

00:16:42.120 a former chief assistant U.S. attorney general.

00:16:44.920 We won't hold this against him.

00:16:46.580 He was a former U.S. attorney in the district of Manhattan.

00:16:51.320 So let's leave that alone.

00:16:53.220 Andy, how are you?

00:16:55.060 Good.

00:16:55.400 I'm doing great.

00:16:56.080 How are you?

00:16:56.520 Very, very good.

00:16:57.980 So let's start with the big story, I think, and that is the Supreme Court and what they

00:17:04.380 were arguing last week.

00:17:06.340 Can you give me your honest take on what this is really about for the future beyond Donald

00:17:14.600 Trump and how you think this is going to affect what is happening with Donald Trump?

00:17:21.820 Glenn, I think it's important that you frame the question that way, because it seemed to

00:17:27.200 me, and I reread the transcript over the weekend after listening to the oral argument, the court

00:17:34.460 is a lot more concerned about the presidency than about Trump.

00:17:40.120 Sure, it should be.

00:17:40.860 Yeah, and it's an important point to make, because a lot of the coverage has been this

00:17:48.780 hysteria over whether, you know, the Trump-packed Supreme Court is in the tank for him and they're

00:17:55.700 going to get rid of Jack Smith's prosecution.

00:17:58.760 I don't think that's going to happen at all.

00:18:01.420 It's possible that Smith won't get his case to trial, depending on what the court does.

00:18:06.820 What I think the court's going to do is send the case back to Judge Chutkin, who was the

00:18:13.240 trial judge in Washington, with instructions to sort out what things in the indictment against

00:18:19.300 Trump are what you would call official acts that might arguably be immune from prosecution

00:18:25.980 because they go to the core responsibilities of the presidency.

00:18:29.140 And what are private acts or private wrongs that he would not have immunity for, even though

00:18:38.000 they happened during his presidency?

00:18:40.900 But the upshot of the questioning of the lawyers, including Trump's lawyer, and this is particularly

00:18:48.300 by Justice Barrett and Justice Kagan, Trump's lawyer admitted that there's a lot of conduct

00:18:53.980 charged in the indictment that is private conduct, that really wouldn't be covered by

00:19:00.960 an immunity claim, even though Trump's been saying a lot of stuff about absolute, complete

00:19:06.920 immunity.

00:19:07.980 And I think the concessions he made in the argument, that is, John Sauer, Trump's lawyer,

00:19:14.400 would be enough if Smith was willing to tailor his indictment down to the things that Sauer

00:19:19.180 conceded, they could go ahead with a trial on just those acts.

00:19:24.200 He'd lose a lot of evidence, but he probably should.

00:19:28.560 So what are some of the acts that could fall under, you know, private, and so you could prosecute?

00:19:38.560 And what are the acts that are the president and you don't prosecute?

00:19:44.780 Yeah, so the one bright line we can take away from this is that there seems to be consensus

00:19:54.320 that there is a divide between office-seeking and the carrying out of the duties of an office.

00:20:04.900 So if something is purely in the nature of trying to get re-elected, that's deemed to be private

00:20:12.200 because it's not part of the duties of the presidency, but it would be the same for anyone

00:20:17.020 who was seeking office, whether that person was an incumbent or not.

00:20:21.240 And then there are other things that are clearly presidential.

00:20:25.640 So just to give some solid examples that came out of the argument, Trump's lawyer conceded that

00:20:34.200 if Trump made a private scheme with private lawyers to get slates of electors designated for him

00:20:47.520 and to supply documents to the Congress suggesting that they were the authentic actual slate of electors

00:20:56.580 designated by a state, that would be private conduct because it's purely office-seeking

00:21:03.460 and he carried it out only with private lawyers.

00:21:07.360 On the other hand, there's an allegation in the indictment that Trump tried to use the Justice Department

00:21:14.480 to signal to states that there were serious concerns about fraud

00:21:19.240 and considered both removing the attorney general when he got pushback

00:21:25.600 and considered sending a letter that they never sent from the Justice Department to the state of Georgia

00:21:31.380 to tell them that they needed to do more scrutiny over what happened in the popular election.

00:21:39.340 Trump argues very strongly, and I think the court will probably go along with this,

00:21:43.160 that that is the president's control over the Justice Department is purely a presidential act

00:21:50.900 that should have no part in a criminal prosecution.

00:21:54.360 So those are the kinds of things that the court is talking about sorting out.

00:21:57.700 But Andy, didn't, when Trump sat another group of electors, or tried to,

00:22:05.160 that's what the Friends of Dershowitz did, I don't remember all of the attorneys,

00:22:14.240 in the 2000 election.

00:22:15.780 That's what they were recommending to be done.

00:22:18.800 You have to do that, or you have no case.

00:22:22.980 Yeah, let me just be clear, Glenn.

00:22:25.020 Glenn, they're not saying that Trump wouldn't have a defense at trial.

00:22:30.660 What we're talking about now is purely immunity.

00:22:35.160 That is, could he prevent the trial from happening in the first place?

00:22:38.660 I think that there's significant defenses to the fraudulent electors' claim,

00:22:44.860 beginning with the fact that the electors themselves didn't think they were fraudulent.

00:22:49.260 They thought they were contingent.

00:22:50.620 They thought that, basically, they were sitting in as the slate of electors

00:22:55.960 in the event that Trump prevailed, either in the state courts or with the state legislature,

00:23:00.340 to throw out the popular election.

00:23:03.040 Then that would activate.

00:23:04.520 But they weren't trying to fool anyone into saying that they were the actual electors

00:23:08.740 that had been certified by the states.

00:23:10.540 Can he get a fair trial on that, if indeed he has to go to court?

00:23:17.360 Well, I think it's tough for him to get a fair trial in Washington.

00:23:22.260 Why can't someone make the case here?

00:23:25.840 Why can't his people make the case that you can't get a fair trial with a jury pool in New York

00:23:31.900 or in Washington, D.C.?

00:23:33.540 I think Trump's problem is he's too famous in some ways.

00:23:39.820 I mean, the problem is that, unlike almost any other defendant, he goes into, you know,

00:23:45.420 one of the things that they can always say about him is he's the most famous guy in the world,

00:23:50.360 and no matter where you had the case, you would have the same pre-trial publicity problems.

00:23:56.520 And they kind of reject out of hand the thought that because a jurisdiction votes substantially against Trump

00:24:04.580 as a political matter, that that means they can't be fair to him as a legal matter.

00:24:10.280 You know, you can debate that all you want about whether that's a sensible distinction to draw or not,

00:24:17.500 but it is the distinction the courts draw.

00:24:20.300 Okay, so what do you think is coming down the pike on this?

00:24:23.900 Based on the – go ahead.

00:24:28.340 Yeah, I think that they will send the case back to Judge Chuckkin with instructions to go through the indictment

00:24:35.820 and figure out what's a – what's a public act and what's a private act.

00:24:40.820 If Smith wants to fight on that, then he's never going to get to trial prior to Election Day,

00:24:47.460 which, of course, is his big aim, because this would still be a live immunity claim,

00:24:54.240 and immunity is one of the few things that you can actually appeal pre-trial.

00:24:58.440 So I don't see how he would get to trial.

00:25:00.240 But I do think Smith, if he wants to, and if it's that important to him to get to trial quickly,

00:25:06.420 he could say, you know what, I'm going to dispense with all of the acts that you say are immunized official presidential acts

00:25:15.780 and we'll just go to trial on the private stuff.

00:25:19.980 It would be a weaker case for him, but it wouldn't be an unwinnable case.

00:25:23.460 And what is the punishment?

00:25:27.980 Well, that's an interesting question, because that may depend on another Supreme Court case this term,

00:25:34.440 the one that they argued a week before on the obstruction statute that's key to Trump's case.

00:25:41.840 That obstruction statute has a 20-year penalty, and it's the two main counts in the indictment against Trump.

00:25:48.940 The other two counts only have, I think, five-year penalties.

00:25:52.040 So if the Supreme Court says that it rejects the way the Justice Department has been using the obstruction statute,

00:25:59.480 which it might, then that would require probably a big overhaul of Smith's case,

00:26:05.520 because those charges are very important to him.

00:26:09.160 But if the court upholds that statute, which it also might,

00:26:12.960 then you're looking at a potential of, you know, 40 years imprisonment.

00:26:17.460 Now, he won't get 40 years, but statutorily, there would be availability of 40 years imprisonment on those charges,

00:26:24.680 and I think 10 on the other two.

00:26:27.000 The other two are fraud on the United States and the civil rights charge.

00:26:31.520 So he'd be looking at, you know, statutorily 50 years imprisonment,

00:26:35.160 which would indicate under the sentencing guidelines that he would get,

00:26:40.660 I would think, you know, four, five, six years of a sentence if he gets convicted on those charges.

00:26:47.380 Unbelievable.

00:26:48.520 You know, last week the Biden administration was making the case,

00:26:52.880 well, Donald Trump's the only one that's ever broken the law.

00:26:55.280 That's why we've never had this before. 0.99

00:26:56.740 That's such crap, and we all know it. 0.98

00:26:58.540 Why haven't we had this problem before? 0.99

00:27:05.700 I think a lot of the criminal, the potentially prosecutable criminal conduct

00:27:10.960 has come up late in presidential terms.

00:27:15.940 Like, for example, with Clinton, the pardon scandal happened as he was going out the door.

00:27:21.540 And I was in the Justice Department at the time.

00:27:23.680 And there was, you know, there was over a year of pretty intense debate within the Justice Department

00:27:28.500 about whether he ought to be charged with bribery or not in connection with those pardons.

00:27:33.800 But I think there's always been, maybe this has changed now,

00:27:38.160 but there's always been a current of, like, when a new administration comes in,

00:27:42.780 particularly if it's a new administration of a different party,

00:27:45.940 they don't want to revisit what happened with the last guy.

00:27:49.840 They want to just go ahead on their own stuff.

00:27:52.440 You know, this old idea of, you know, we're looking forward, we're not looking back.

00:27:56.860 And I think that that certainly had a lot to do with why the Bush Justice Department didn't prosecute Clinton.

00:28:03.500 And I think with Obama, there was a lot of rhetoric during the 2008 campaign about war crimes against Bush and all that stuff.

00:28:12.420 But when they got into power, they not only weren't interested in prosecuting anyone on war crimes.

00:28:18.340 I mean, they reopened the CIA investigation, but then they closed it.

00:28:22.840 But they actually ended up adopting a lot of Bush-Cheney counterterrorism.

00:28:28.500 So, you know, I think there's a lot of rhetorical campaign stuff about how, you know, lock her up and we're going to put these guys in jail.

00:28:37.300 But it doesn't come to pass.

00:28:39.720 I actually think Trump is serious about it this time because he sees what they've done to him.

00:28:44.380 And that's why I thought it was amusing in the Supreme Court argument for the government lawyers to get up and say,

00:28:50.720 you know, you don't have to worry about this.

00:28:52.320 This is just sui generis with Trump.

00:28:54.420 It'll never happen again.

00:28:55.400 And in the meantime, Trump is ahead in the polls and he's running as the retribution candidate.

00:29:00.540 He's promising if he gets in, he's going to do this stuff, right?

00:29:04.140 So it's an amazing time to be alive, right?

00:29:08.980 You're streaming the best of the Glenn Beck podcast.

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00:29:19.160 Selena Zito, welcome to the program. 0.80

00:29:20.980 How are you?

00:29:22.120 Hey, good morning, sunshine.

00:29:23.920 How are you?

00:29:24.480 I'm good.

00:29:25.480 So you're you were out on the road with Joe Biden and Donald Trump and things couldn't be more different for the two.

00:29:34.520 But you were in Pennsylvania and the week that Donald Trump came into, I think it was a Chick-fil-A.

00:29:42.400 He just said Chick-fil-A on me for everybody.

00:29:46.240 And it was a really cool gesture.

00:29:48.800 Then a few days later, Joe Biden did something.

00:29:51.500 And take us through what what he did, not only there at the restaurant, but the next day.

00:29:57.100 So just so Trump was actually in Atlanta when he went to Chick-fil-A.

00:30:02.260 However, the next day he was in Pennsylvania in the Lehigh Valley.

00:30:07.660 Now, I just want to explain why Lehigh Valley is important.

00:30:10.900 It is a working class area.

00:30:12.420 It's a swing district.

00:30:13.600 It's also a heavily Hispanic district.

00:30:16.800 And we've noticed how Hispanics have moved to become more conservative.

00:30:21.380 Anyways, to the point, there were 42,000 people there.

00:30:24.480 42,000.

00:30:25.500 That's a lot of people in the Lehigh Valley for a Republican.

00:30:29.020 I think that's important to note.

00:30:30.500 And it's in the middle of what I call the middle of somewhere, but where most people call the middle of nowhere.

00:30:37.940 And that is also important because there is an intuition, whether you like Trump or not, there's been a very good intuition is to show up in places that people don't expect you to.

00:30:48.100 And earning votes.

00:30:51.220 Now, let's contrast that to what Biden did.

00:30:54.020 He went to very free, very specific, safe areas where he knows he's going to win the vote.

00:31:01.820 There is not going to be a rally.

00:31:03.520 These are elected people and sort of party people that come to all of these events in Scranton and Philadelphia.

00:31:13.940 In Pittsburgh, it was union leaders.

00:31:16.440 Now, remember, that's very different than rank and file.

00:31:20.360 And so these events were very orchestrated, very minimally attended.

00:31:26.480 And what was really fascinating to me was that he had a message about something and Wall Street people.

00:31:35.680 I don't know.

00:31:36.780 I mean, that's not what people.

00:31:38.380 I don't even know.

00:31:39.840 Like, I looked at I watched his message.

00:31:41.720 I'm like, I don't I don't know why.

00:31:44.140 Did nobody tell you that people are not upset about Wall Street people, but they're really, really upset about inflation?

00:31:51.600 And then he goes to Pittsburgh.

00:31:54.100 And I saw the most extraordinary thing.

00:31:57.440 There were two sets of protesters outside.

00:31:59.980 A robust level of protesters on one side were like independent and Republican voters saying, hey, hey, ho, ho, Bidenomics has to go.

00:32:11.940 They were singing at the same time with pro Hamas people, not together.

00:32:17.680 But they were using the chant at the same time, who were saying, hey, hey, ho, ho, genocide, Joe has got to go.

00:32:24.740 My brain was scrambled by that.

00:32:28.140 And so but but but but Biden made the safe bet.

00:32:32.240 He went to the places where he thinks he he needs to bring his base back.

00:32:39.380 Trump went to places where he needs to earn new voters.

00:32:43.680 And that's the difference between the two of them in Pennsylvania.

00:32:48.400 And I think in a state that's registration, Democratic registration has dropped dramatically from 2020, where it was 600,000 advantage over Republicans, Democrats to now 389,000 Republicans, Democrats, Democrats still have the advantage.

00:33:09.900 But there was a whole heck of a lot of people.

00:33:12.080 Well, holy cow, that's a lot of people to lose.

00:33:17.240 So go ahead.

00:33:19.760 Well, I think what's important, Glenn, to pay attention to people are looking for this big moment.

00:33:26.080 Right.

00:33:26.920 In particular, politicians and strategists is a big moment that's going to change everything.

00:33:33.220 I believe as the way that it is going, it is tiny little cuts that are hurting.

00:33:39.140 It is the closing.

00:33:42.260 Oh, my God.

00:33:42.600 It's so heartbreaking watching that Weirton, West Virginia steel plant that has been around for 120 years closed down on Friday.

00:33:51.400 And you say, oh, West Virginia, who cares?

00:33:53.480 Well, guess what?

00:33:54.080 People from Ohio.

00:33:54.980 That's at the panhandle.

00:33:56.160 People from Ohio and Pennsylvania work there.

00:33:59.480 And it was closed down because of a tear, because the Biden administration refused.

00:34:06.800 I might mix this up with another tear problem.

00:34:10.480 But anyways, it didn't give American steel an even playing field.

00:34:16.560 So they had a close.

00:34:17.460 And so that kind of tiny little cut, it is the pausing of the liquid natural gas, which doesn't just impact people in the industry or even people that are downstream of it, like barbershops and machine shops and hotels and so forth.

00:34:36.600 It also impacts farmers.

00:34:38.880 Why?

00:34:39.660 People don't think about this.

00:34:40.940 But farmers are profoundly impacted by the liquid natural gas being paused because they have leases on their land, oftentimes with natural gas facilities on their extractions, on their land.

00:35:01.700 Oftentimes, these leases are what keep these farms going.

00:35:06.560 So I think it's really important.

00:35:08.580 And then there's 45B.

00:35:10.120 It is the IRS tax code only implemented in Pennsylvania or impacting Pennsylvania that is going to keep us from getting that big hydrogen plant that he came to the state, that Biden came to the state to brag about, losing billions of dollars and thousands of jobs.

00:35:33.120 So these are the time.

00:35:34.280 And then Sheetz.

00:35:35.240 I mean, why do you go after Sheetz?

00:35:37.340 People don't know what Sheetz is.

00:35:39.520 That is a belt of gas stations, kind of like Buc-ee's is in the South. 0.98

00:35:47.060 It's beloved.

00:35:48.000 It's just good service, et cetera, et cetera.

00:35:51.060 And this is where he bought the sandwiches for the workers.

00:35:54.460 On a Friday, he goes, no, on a Thursday, he goes in and buys a bunch of sandwiches.

00:36:00.420 It's clear he's never been in a Sheetz or a gas station.

00:36:03.060 And he, the next day, the administration, forget this, enforcing criminal background checks on all of their employees.

00:36:16.540 Why?

00:36:17.100 Because they said it's racist.

00:36:18.800 Which, by the way, I think if I were a minority, I'd be highly insulted that you think, you know, no minority can pass a criminal background check.

00:36:29.360 It's just insulting. 0.75

00:36:31.020 Not only did he pull that out as a race card, he has now retracted his war on menthol cigarettes because he is afraid that's going to hurt his black base because I guess all black people smoke are menthol cigarettes. 0.99

00:36:50.140 And so, you know, I'll kill you, you know, over time, but I just need your vote this time around. 0.99

00:36:58.140 It's just astounding. 0.99

00:37:01.520 So what does your gut tell you?

00:37:03.640 And I know we're a long way away, but they seem so confident, so confident.

00:37:08.240 What does your gut tell you that is coming?

00:37:12.180 Because I cannot believe that still there's 42, you know, 42 percent of the country that says, yeah, I'm I'm for Joe Biden.

00:37:21.460 Well, you know, there are people that will always be a Democrat.

00:37:24.600 They just will.

00:37:25.480 I think they were called yellow dog Democrats or blue dogs.

00:37:29.000 No, yellow dog Democrats in the South. 0.63

00:37:31.700 And that's the preference.

00:37:34.160 It always will be.

00:37:35.200 And then there are others who just cannot abide Trump's comportment.

00:37:42.060 However, you are seeing people that are that that have left him in 2020 and post 2021 that are coming back because they say people decide on their lives and their livelihoods and their communities.

00:37:58.300 Those are the things that impact them.

00:38:00.080 They look at the pocketbook.

00:38:01.220 They look around and their lives and and I feel as though I am reliving 2016 all over again.

00:38:08.720 2020 did not feel this way.

00:38:11.020 I don't know if you remember having me on.

00:38:12.760 I was hesitant.

00:38:13.360 I do.

00:38:13.620 Trump would win.

00:38:15.660 And much of that had to do with COVID and and and how and all the things that surrounded COVID.

00:38:24.800 There were millions of things that impacted it.

00:38:28.420 And also that that September 29th debate wasn't his best moment.

00:38:34.140 And a lot of people had voted right after that early voting.

00:38:37.580 So I think that this 20, 2024 is much more similar to 20, 2016.

00:38:46.520 It feels very much that is something that that is Trump's to lose.

00:38:51.860 What what remains to be his most important asset is his understanding that he needs to earn votes.

00:39:01.060 So, OK, do you remember years ago, Billy Joel had that song, Allentown, right?

00:39:07.040 And everyone across the country sang the song with earnest and heart, not because they loved Allentown, but because they saw their city in that song.

00:39:18.180 They saw themselves reflected that loss of community and job intuitively understands that while he is in Harlem campaigning or at a construction site campaigning, he isn't just campaigning in those places.

00:39:36.660 He is campaigning with a backdrop of a reflection of what a thousand different cities look like across the country.

00:39:44.920 And he intuitively understands that.

00:39:48.180 And it's interesting to me that he makes those kind of choices and Biden makes the choices that he has that doesn't earn him new votes.

00:39:57.480 He is quite brilliant at sensing the pulse and and knowing it.

00:40:04.120 And I'm so glad because I really I think your opinion matters so much because you don't you're not hanging out with experts.

00:40:10.720 You're hanging out with people in the rural areas.

00:40:14.780 And so you just have a better sense.

00:40:17.620 And I'm so glad to hear that you say this is feeling more like 2016 than 2020.

00:40:22.180 So, Selena, everybody is concerned about the theft of an election.

00:40:27.280 And the best thing we can do is shore that up.

00:40:30.720 So whoever wins, we know we can trust the election.

00:40:35.300 How are you doing in Pennsylvania on this?

00:40:37.300 Um, pretty well, Shapiro, Governor Josh Shapiro, Democrat, did a good job of clearing out the voter rolls, meaning the dead people.

00:40:49.140 Um, and and and also it's done on a county by county effort.

00:40:55.900 This is a general mix of Democrat county executives and Republicans and or like a three person commissioner.

00:41:05.900 Um, and and they've all done a fairly nonpartisan good job Republicans, by the way, this is really kind of funny.

00:41:15.740 So in October, Governor Shapiro made it easier to change your voter registration or to register to vote by doing it with when you get your new driver's license or you get, you know, you renew your driver's license.

00:41:30.180 And I thought it was pretty funny that Republicans, some are some Republicans like flipped out and said, this is going to get more Democrats.

00:41:38.980 Well, there are 55,000 new Republicans within the first month of of of of that law being enacted.

00:41:48.220 So I think right now it is while the Democrats still hold a majority in the state, Republicans have been doing a robust effort, not just on a grassroots level.

00:42:01.400 You see them everywhere.

00:42:03.300 But you also have seen that on their own, they're doing it on their own.

00:42:08.800 They've go to change the driver's license picture and they're like, oh, I can change my voter registration or I can I can vote register to vote if they're a young person.

00:42:19.160 So for one in a blue moon, the Republicans have actually done a good job of taking advantage of all the technology, but also the enthusiasm that is on their back.

00:42:31.760 If you had to, and I wouldn't hold you to this because it's so far away, but if it were being held today, how would it how would it end in Pennsylvania right now?

00:42:44.280 I mean, it's super close.

00:42:46.100 It's going to be super close.

00:42:48.200 However, I would at this moment give the edge to Trump.

00:42:51.960 Because of the small tax, the tiny little cuts that I've been talking about, the LNG pause, the 45V, the closing of the of the steel mill, the sheets, these tiny little things that and inflation, inflation is the biggest thing in this state.

00:43:14.320 Costs are soaring and and and they haven't stopped and they're insulted when everyone tells you the economy is fine.

00:43:22.520 Look, it's not 2008 2008.

00:43:24.800 The issue was jobs.

00:43:26.760 We have jobs.

00:43:28.260 It's not the job.

00:43:29.680 Some people are working a lot of jobs because they can't afford basic costs.

00:43:36.320 Selena, thank you so much.

00:43:37.800 We'll talk again.

00:43:38.680 God bless.

00:43:39.760 Selena Zito, you can you can find her at Selena Zito dot com.

00:43:43.120 Selena Zito dot com.

00:43:45.360 She is I mean, she really has her finger on the pulse, especially in Pennsylvania, where she is from and spends a lot of her time.

00:43:52.640 But she's listening to people.

00:43:54.540 And that's the one thing that I feel like our government doesn't do anymore.

00:43:58.940 They don't listen to people.

00:44:01.060 You know, we used to say, I don't want a president that is going by the polls.

00:44:05.700 I don't know.

00:44:06.560 It would be nice once in a while if he would just open up the windows of the White House to hear the chants.

00:44:12.300 It's all around the White House and the protesters, you know, because they don't seem to be listening to us.

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00:44:26.060 Check.

00:44:26.620 Close the garage door?

00:44:27.800 Yep.

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00:44:31.760 No.

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