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00:00:00.000 welcome to the podcast today we we talk again about this dallas salon owner that is now going

00:00:06.740 to jail for opening her own business a remarkable story that is developing in a bizarre unconstitutional 0.98

00:00:14.320 way it would seem especially as texas announces that salons can open up on friday they're putting

00:00:19.520 up someone who opened their salon a couple days early in jail all the people that are out of jail

00:00:24.860 who are committing crimes yet she's going in pat gray joins us he'll be talking about that story as

00:00:31.220 well as arthur brooks he is on talking about how to in the middle of a pandemic maintain and maybe

00:00:38.280 increase your happiness is that even possible he has a great way of thinking about that and arthur

00:00:44.180 brooks is always really good and we have joe biden a new poll showing that a decent amount of democrats

00:00:51.860 won and replaced as the nominee is this actually reality we'll get into that as well don't forget

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00:01:30.220 arthur brooks welcome to the program sir how are you hello glenn how are you my friend i can't believe

00:01:42.100 we haven't talked in so long i know i know and we just the last thing we said to each other is

00:01:47.180 we've got to stay in touch and it's been like six months um it's ridiculous i know i see you i'm

00:01:54.080 like i i feel like i was separated at birth from this guy i mean exactly the same way right and we

00:02:00.320 have the same yeah we do we love america but we're not we're not uncritical we see what's wrong and we

00:02:07.500 want to make it right we were we were we're both classically trained uh french hornists so

00:02:14.620 oh no that's you i don't know that's that was just you um anyway so uh arthur you are now uh

00:02:22.940 teaching at harvard kennedy uh school and uh you're what what exactly is the class you're teaching what

00:02:29.300 is it you're teaching so i'm a professor of leadership at harvard and and i span two schools

00:02:34.920 the harvard kennedy school is the policy school at harvard and the harvard business school is

00:02:38.560 obviously hbs is where people get their mbas and i teach classes and leadership uh at the policy

00:02:44.380 side i teach classes and happiness at the harvard business school it's the most incredible opportunity

00:02:50.060 i've ever had i just finished this super popular very oversubscribed class called leadership and

00:02:54.880 happiness to my mba students right before they all had to leave and not come back

00:02:59.600 now do the the the does the school and the students do they know how much of a free market

00:03:08.160 guy you are well i think you know most universities in america today they'll accept a free market here

00:03:16.080 on a case-by-case basis okay and and you know the nice thing about it is i mean like most universities

00:03:23.340 harvard university has you know most of the people pretty left-leaning but what i love about it is the real

00:03:28.920 it's a real marketplace for ideas and there's an appreciation for people who think differently so i

00:03:33.800 felt incredibly welcome i love it i have to say well and my students are smart and everybody mixes it up

00:03:39.780 it's fine there could not be a better uh mascot or or champion of uh the free market and our system

00:03:49.580 than you uh i'm thrilled that you're up there making an impact um i want to talk to you a little bit

00:03:54.840 about an article that you just wrote on happiness uh and fulfillment because we have something that

00:04:02.240 we're not really talking about one of the real unintended consequences of of what's happening

00:04:07.940 with covid is people are wildly lonely loneliest the the according to research loneliest americans have

00:04:15.520 ever been uh and we have real fear uh doubt people are going to be you know many people have already

00:04:23.780 lost their job that just does horrible things to people so i wanted to talk to you about happiness

00:04:29.720 because in this article you you said that there's there's three equations and i want you to take us

00:04:35.740 through the three equations of of how we can get better yeah no i appreciate that and and just even

00:04:43.680 back up a little bit the loneliness thing is a really interesting problem because most of us we

00:04:49.400 leave our relationships up to our circumstances and then and then we can't i mean most of us actually

00:04:56.440 feel good when we're with other people maybe not in a you know bustling party but seeing other people

00:05:01.780 but we don't know why we feel good and there's an answer to that and the answer is that there's a

00:05:06.640 neurotransmitter that's created by the human brain called oxytocin not to be confused with

00:05:11.740 obviously but they're actually similar in so far is that oxytocin makes us feel physically good and

00:05:19.260 when people are really lonely they'll take drugs because they actually want to substitute for it

00:05:23.800 this is one of the reasons that they found that 20 percent of active duty troops in vietnam were

00:05:28.580 addicted to heroin but when they were when they came back and they got their oxytocin in their brains

00:05:34.060 which came from contact with others 95 spontaneously stopped using heroin on their first day back

00:05:40.960 this stuff is super powerful and when we don't take into account this oxytocin this neurotransmitter

00:05:47.940 this hormone in the human brain we're going to actually feel horrible so that the challenges

00:05:53.100 you know for public policy makers and leaders is understanding that we have to make cost benefit

00:05:58.320 calculations where people are not going to become depressed and lonely even if there's some risk to

00:06:03.440 society it's very important and for the rest of us we have to understand that and make decisions

00:06:08.280 where we can get our fix of the oxytocin that god wants us to have so i don't know if you uh remember

00:06:17.260 john huntsman senior uh but he was a friend of mine and you know grew up dirt poor became a billionaire

00:06:24.100 and a guy that really had everything had a great family had a great business great reputation

00:06:30.840 more money than you know the holy family but you know the holy family was poor but um he just had

00:06:37.920 just had a lot and you would look on the outside and you would say this guy there's no way this guy

00:06:44.740 couldn't be happy and he was happy he was fulfilled but he taught me something one of the first times he

00:06:50.900 kind of became a mentor of mine and we were just walking around in his yard his backyard and and uh

00:06:56.860 he said so glenn how much is enough and i said what and he said how much is enough and now here's a guy

00:07:05.100 who's walking around and we were on the side of a mountain that he owned and i said uh i don't know i

00:07:11.120 don't know and he said well you have to decide and you have to decide right now he said because when you

00:07:17.320 get there you won't recognize it because it won't be enough so you have to recognize it now

00:07:23.920 otherwise you'll always be pursuing it yeah that's right and and the the key thing is that

00:07:30.280 the key thing to remember is that there are basically four things that your brain is telling

00:07:35.760 you to chase that are idols and they won't bring happiness and there are four things you should be

00:07:40.560 chasing so here's basically so i'll give everybody a second who's listening to us all million that are

00:07:46.380 listening to us right now pick up a pencil okay so the four things that your brain that mother nature

00:07:51.280 is telling you you really really want are money power pleasure and fame and fame means prestige or

00:08:00.080 whatever it means the admiration of other people okay money power pleasure and fame those are the

00:08:05.620 things that mother nature if you get it you'll finally be happy but but they're wrong they're idols

00:08:09.960 yeah big they're 180 degrees off of what you really want here's what you really want that'll actually

00:08:14.840 give you enduring happiness faith family friendship and work that serves others and where you can earn

00:08:22.940 your success that's it that's your happiness portfolio those are the places where you're supposed to put

00:08:28.240 your deposits mother nature by the way doesn't care if we're happy i mean notwithstanding this thing 0.92

00:08:34.140 i talked about this oxytocin in our brains mother nature she's like yeah look it's famous and you'll

00:08:38.500 finally be happy you'll be on the hedonic treadmill on the hamster wheel of life for the rest of your

00:08:43.600 life that's why john huntsman said glenn what's your number why because that's the only chance if

00:08:49.700 you can answer that question to get off the treadmill and it is it's again one of the reasons why i left fox

00:08:57.720 is because i wanted i noticed that i was starting to want the fame and i knew because i'm an alcoholic i

00:09:05.740 had already washed out once i knew these things and as the minute i wanted it i i realized i'm going

00:09:13.300 to destroy myself i mean and that's why people who are famous you generally will sell their soul or if

00:09:20.420 they're powerful in congress they'll sell their soul because they want it and they just keep trading

00:09:26.320 away the things of real meaning and value oh yeah no it's a fame is a really it's it's the worst of the

00:09:33.140 four by the way so you can be quite happy battery acid with money with money but the same you can

00:09:39.860 only ever be happy in spite of it and yet people really really want it and this actually comes from

00:09:45.380 evolutionary biology so evolutionary biologists will say that people want you know this ratio of

00:09:51.400 people who know you versus the people you know you want that to be really really high because you're

00:09:55.960 more likely if you're you know troglodyte 500 000 years ago you're more likely to get more baits

00:10:01.140 if you have prestige the problem is in the current world we've taken the ability to become famous to

00:10:07.740 these incredible heights you know we can you can anybody can be a celebrity on youtube if you just

00:10:13.880 do it right and so the result is that our brains are saying get more famous get more famous and yet

00:10:18.820 everybody you talk to who's achieved fame they'll say i can only ever be happy in spite of it but i keep

00:10:25.380 running toward it i can't i mean you have the presence of mind because you're actually somebody who has

00:10:30.420 battled idolatry who's battled addiction but these are these are real addictions money power pleasure

00:10:36.760 fame these are real addictions you beat it once and so you know what it looks like you know what

00:10:41.020 a monster looks like and that guy you know it's like trying to get in your house all the time so

00:10:45.240 you say i'm gonna go do something else and it's i really admired that when you did it because i knew

00:10:50.720 what you were doing because i knew you and i said boy glenn is really has presence of mind this is this

00:10:56.560 it was very adroit and it's really weird arthur because our kids are they're just pursuing fame

00:11:04.700 they do the youtube facebook they're they're all of society is teaching us the exact opposite um and

00:11:14.560 it's encouraging it and they're looking for fame and i'm telling you i think you're you're absolutely

00:11:20.660 right that it's the worst one it's battery acid to the soul and even when even when you when you

00:11:28.420 recognize that as you as you become less famous or whatever you're there's something in you that's

00:11:37.380 like don't no don't no no no and it's crazy you're gonna die yeah it's crazy it's really crazy

00:11:45.560 for sure and most people you know even adults who are not trying to become youtube stars and what

00:11:51.300 they want is this admiration so it's a it's a form of local fame called prestige i want the right

00:11:57.760 people to admire me and it's just the admiration of people that people will they crave so much and

00:12:03.540 they work so hard to get and you recognize that at the end of the day the people who admire you they

00:12:08.140 don't care if you die they don't care and if and if you if you uh it's why i think there are so many

00:12:16.920 people that are unwilling to speak out on things like the me too movement me too movement it's good

00:12:24.320 it we need the balance you know we it's made some good things but it's also been just battery acid on

00:12:32.800 on liberties and and justice and and truth and people will just line up to just parrot whatever

00:12:40.520 it is because they don't want to lose their prestige they don't want to be a pariah nobody wants to be a

00:12:46.540 pariah yeah you want to it tends to turn people into pleasers and you know i'm going to serve you know

00:12:53.780 the trivial desires of other people it'll it'll basically take away your dignity in the end because

00:12:59.800 you know you know whether fox news or msnbc or whatever still these are profit-making organizations

00:13:04.740 so they'll just try you out man again and again and again they'll say they'll basically instrumentalize

00:13:10.100 glint beck and you're not an instrument you're a human being you're a child of god you have dignity

00:13:15.820 and only you at the end of the day and a few other people you know your spouse your kids

00:13:21.260 your friends are the people who will stand up for your dignity that's why when you stood up for

00:13:26.280 your own dignity and said i'm going to go my own way i admired it so much and you know each one of

00:13:30.640 us most people were listening to you i mean they they follow you they admire you they take your lead

00:13:35.340 they love your leadership and they say well yeah it was different i mean glenn and arthur have a

00:13:39.840 different kind of life than i do especially glenn he's a big famous guy every single person faces

00:13:44.300 these decisions all the time we face decisions constantly am i going to sell myself for a symbol of

00:13:50.680 myself or am i going to remember who i am and and and hue to that it's really important that all of

00:13:57.380 us have this we we sell our soul we become that hollywood star or whatever every time we edit a

00:14:07.980 picture of our life or we take the perfect picture of our life and post it on facebook and don't post

00:14:14.780 what really is going on you know what i mean we don't yeah you don't see your life a mess everybody

00:14:21.440 is is skewing it which makes things worse for you because you're not living that life uh and it makes

00:14:29.120 it worse for everybody else because they're like well they're living that life and i'm not it's horrible

00:14:34.360 it's horrible you're setting up your you're sit you're advertising your fake life and consuming the 0.50

00:14:39.360 fake lives of others yeah i got something that's gonna blow your mind actually um on this because i've

00:14:43.300 okay wait wait wait research on that you got we got to go right they give yeah give it give me one

00:14:47.960 minute and we'll come right back with what's going to blow our minds uh more with uh arthur brooks in just a second

00:14:54.280 the best of the glenn beck program

00:15:01.380 voters three to one say the national media is not aggressive enough reporting joe biden's sexual

00:15:22.980 assault allegations when you look at another poll a new poll out shows 26 percent now of democrats

00:15:32.960 want joe biden to be replaced because of this 26 say he's gotta go so let's break this poll down here

00:15:42.180 for a second before we get into the facts 61 of democrats believe that biden appeared very credible

00:15:49.120 or somewhat credible during his interview with morning joe where he denied the allegations

00:15:54.940 61 percent of democrats

00:15:59.680 somewhat credible

00:16:03.920 six only 61 percent when you when you have 40 percent of the american democratic party

00:16:14.120 saying i he's not credible on this do you have a viable candidate honestly

00:16:21.380 26 percent of the democratic party would move to replace biden after watching the video

00:16:28.660 61 percent say they found his denial at least somewhat critical uh credible and should remain the nominee

00:16:37.400 the number includes 28 percent of democratic women uh only 28 percent say that he should remain

00:16:47.300 really younger women voters are the most likely to want biden replaced as the presumptive nominee 1.00

00:16:54.340 of the democratic party 40 percent of voters under 45 agreeing that she he should be replaced

00:17:01.040 40 percent under 45 and 15 percent of older voters say he should be replaced among general

00:17:10.360 voters so this would include the the republicans and the the independents if you don't get independence you

00:17:18.600 don't win among general voters only 41 percent say they found his denials somewhat credible or very

00:17:27.640 credible versus 38 percent that say it's not credible at all

00:17:32.300 this is going to be a problem because

00:17:36.060 he's badly polarized

00:17:39.940 um on this and you know when you have

00:17:44.100 two candidates and they're both polarized

00:17:46.560 you don't usually make a change you're like i'm not going to change horses i know what this guy is

00:17:52.100 and i may not like this guy but i know what this guy is

00:17:55.780 and we're fine if you don't believe that you know we're fine under donald trump well then you're

00:18:02.600 going to vote for really probably anybody um but when you have two guys and one is joe biden

00:18:12.060 and it's of the democratic party it exposes the democratic party for who they are it exposes the media

00:18:20.560 for who they are and it would expose you i think there's i think there is 25 to 50 percent of the

00:18:28.980 voting public 50 is too high 25 to 35 percent of voters in america that would go you know what

00:18:36.220 i i just i i'm not going to sell me out this is it bothers me and will pass on him that's going to be a

00:18:46.540 problem yeah i think people will overlook a lot when casting a vote here a lot of people have

00:18:53.080 their minds made up on trump you know this is a pretty partisan country at this moment um you know

00:18:58.840 we've been even seeing evidence lately of people coming out and saying i believe tara reid and her

00:19:05.060 assault accusation but i'm still going to be voting for joe biden which is what are you saying about

00:19:09.960 yourself when you're saying hey you know who would be okay for me to endorse as a candidate

00:19:14.960 a rapist that is a uh that's a it's a hell of a standard to set for yourself yeah if you believe

00:19:21.740 unlike i mean what donald trump said you know on that bus uh years ago was really offensive but that

00:19:31.460 was really sick over the top guy talk now that doesn't mean that that didn't it did he you know

00:19:39.300 he said that's what he did but you know right guys say a lot of stuff but this is the accusation

00:19:46.000 is from a woman that joe actually did that uh and and then some yeah i mean that's a real problem i know

00:19:56.500 of zero trump supporters who voted for donald trump that believe those allegations that he

00:20:02.720 committed sexual assault that you might have this idea that oh well they're fooling themselves into

00:20:08.460 believing trump that's fine but at least they're doing the work on that uh you know democrats at

00:20:13.820 this point are like yeah you know he's probably a rapist but i don't really like donald trump

00:20:16.860 so uh i'm gonna vote for the rapist and i think like there's donald trump it was i don't i don't like

00:20:23.200 i don't like the way he talks i don't like what he said i don't but it's not the allegation that was

00:20:29.440 believable uh of what joe biden is being accused of yeah there is a difference here there were

00:20:36.920 allegations against trump as the left likes to point out in these moments but uh you know look you have

00:20:41.700 to do your own work and try to believe what you believe um i think the issue here is a candidate as

00:20:47.560 you get close to an election is you can't have major reasons for people to not vote for you in

00:20:55.480 this environment and yes the democrats they'll deny this all day but the democrats already have the idea

00:21:02.860 in their head that joe biden doesn't seem capable of doing this job that is already there they don't

00:21:08.820 think donald trump is capable either so it's they're able to hold on to their vote for biden right now

00:21:13.640 but if you start piling these things on top of each other he's incompetent he may have actually

00:21:18.920 sexually assaulted a woman and now is doing all the things that we said were terrible all the

00:21:24.880 scrutiny about her character all these questions about her claims all of these things that are going

00:21:30.420 on now that you have set the standard that were not all these things should not even be allowed in

00:21:36.740 polite society as of two weeks ago and now you're having to justify and backtrack on all these things

00:21:42.840 that you said people hate doing that and so they're trying to find their little pathway into

00:21:48.660 continuing to be able to justify this vote for biden and if you keep piling things like this on top of

00:21:54.780 each other they're not going to be able to find it yeah well they they will find another reason nobody

00:22:00.480 wants to admit that the standard that they've been holding up that has destroyed people's lives

00:22:06.180 is the wrong standard nobody wants to be that wrong um only the real brave will so they will find

00:22:14.040 another reason uh and it could just be the straw that breaks the camel's back i mean if you look at

00:22:21.360 i have the eight accusers in front of me you have uh amy cole uh helping run a reception for about 50 people

00:22:29.740 in 2008 biden arrived she introduced uh they introduced him to her he leaned in squeezed her

00:22:36.020 shoulders and delivered a compliment about her smile holding her for a beat too long um okay i think he's

00:22:43.580 just kind of a creepy dude uh that doesn't that's not assault number seven amy lapos former congressional

00:22:50.100 aid uh democratic political activist claimed that during the 2009 political fundraiser or fundraiser in

00:22:56.340 greenwich he touched her inappropriately she said it wasn't sexual but he grabbed me by the head he put

00:23:04.220 his hand around my neck and pulled me in to rub noses with me when he was pulling me in i thought he was

00:23:10.140 going to kiss me on the mouth i never filed a complaint to be honest because it was the vice president

00:23:15.740 and i'm a nobody wow is that a problem uh caitlin caruso said four years ago the age of 19 uh survivor

00:23:24.980 of sexual assault spoke at an event on sexual assault university of las vegas when biden was

00:23:30.100 attending um after she shared her experience of sexual assault biden rested his hand on her thigh

00:23:37.800 even though he squirmed she squirmed in her seat to show her discomfort he hugged her just a little too

00:23:44.480 long it doesn't even really cross your mind that such a person would dare uh perpetrate harm like that

00:23:51.260 she said these are supposed to be the people that you can trust okay so again just inappropriate and

00:23:58.240 possibly just a creepy dude but not sexual assault also consistent with each other right like all these

00:24:06.240 all of these are very consistent yeah and and all of the pictures you know of him sniffing hair and

00:24:13.220 saying really creepy things to girls but that again is you have to make the decision is that just an

00:24:20.540 old man who this because this is his excuse look i grew up in a different age blah blah blah i i'm sorry

00:24:29.020 i even if i buy that grandpa you know you can't continue to do that you know when everybody had

00:24:39.400 somebody in their in their family growing up i mean depending on your age if you're at least my age

00:24:45.820 you had somebody growing up uh that was you know older in the 60s in the 70s and they were still like

00:24:54.100 you know talking about coloreds uh you know or whatever and you know they may not have had any

00:25:00.280 malice it's just the world they grew up in and at some point you were like grandpa stop saying that you

00:25:06.660 gotta stop saying that you know and this time grandpa's going to be the president of the united states

00:25:13.420 and we keep saying to him hey stop hugging people rubbing noses with them and saying really creepy

00:25:20.860 things to girls he just won't stop that's the problem so then you have a former white house intern 0.99

00:25:27.140 she said she was there in 2013 she was trying to exit the basement of the west wing when she was asked

00:25:33.980 to step aside biden uh approached her uh shook her hand and introduced himself during the encounter

00:25:41.280 she said biden put his hand on the back of my head and pressed his forehead to my forehead and said

00:25:49.280 what a pretty girl oof grandpa stop uh lucy flores uh wrote an essay she was working for biden in 2014

00:26:02.240 just before speeches we were ushered to the side of the stage where we were lined up for introduction

00:26:07.760 i was taking deep breaths and preparing myself to make my case to the crowd i felt two hands on my

00:26:13.600 shoulders i froze why is the vice president of the united states touching me i felt him get closer to

00:26:19.300 me from behind he leaned further in and inhaled my hair i was mortified i thought to myself i didn't

00:26:25.560 even wash my hair today and the vice president is smelling it and also what in the actual f why is he

00:26:32.460 doing this she said my brain couldn't process what was happening i was embarrassed i was shocked i was

00:26:38.200 confused um then you have the next accuser sophie sophie was one of 50 sexual assault survivors she 1.00

00:26:46.380 appeared on stage with lady gaga at the oscars blah blah blah when met uh and heard about her you know

00:26:54.560 her experiences he responded by clasping her hands and leaning down to place his forehead against hers

00:27:01.540 the moment was photographed and went viral uh she said he just crossed the boundary into my personal

00:27:08.640 space at a very sensitive moment he emphasized that he wanted to connect with people and of course

00:27:14.080 that's important but then again all of our interactions and friendships are two-way street

00:27:18.520 too often it doesn't matter how the woman feels okay so all of those are things that you could dismiss you

00:27:24.760 could just say okay grandpa stop it you could dismiss that but those things added on top of what

00:27:30.960 tara reed said and some of the other accusers now that are coming out because there's a couple of 1.00

00:27:36.380 other that 14 year old girl whose i think mother said no it was the wrong year maybe but remember you

00:27:44.700 facts don't even matter they didn't even know where the house was or anything else uh with uh

00:27:51.880 uh with what's her name on kavanaugh they had nothing they didn't know the date they didn't know the

00:27:58.180 this 14 year old girl said she was really uh humiliated in lockstep with the others tara reeds is

00:28:07.640 the only one that steps out and is out of the norm uh to where it's an actual assault and it's a bad

00:28:14.920 description of an assault now the media won't tell you um both sides of this story they won't look at

00:28:24.500 this honestly and say okay so who is tara reed what are the what are the conditions that have to be met

00:28:30.580 you know to be credible uh who's joe biden and was he there all of these things we've done uh our

00:28:38.740 homework and i can't give you an answer because i wasn't there but i can give you both sides in an

00:28:46.640 honest way so you can decide because nobody in the media is doing that that's tonight nine o'clock

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00:29:11.600 this is the glenn beck program we're glad you're here thank you so much for listening uh i want to

00:29:27.560 take you to a court in dallas yesterday um this is uh in the bizarre trial uh of of a woman who just

00:29:39.780 tried to open up her her salon here in dallas because she was about to lose her salon uh she 1.00

00:29:47.140 couldn't keep it closed any longer and uh many of the stylists uh were really having a hard time

00:29:54.780 finding enough money to be able to feed their families so she opened it up last uh uh last um

00:30:01.780 um um what else to say sorry i'm so distracted on something else uh she she opened it up last week

00:30:09.680 she got a cease and desist uh she tore the cease and desist up and said i'm sorry i'm going to

00:30:15.240 i have a right to keep my shop open she went to trial and here's what the judge said to her yesterday

00:30:24.060 listen to this that you now see the error of your ways and understand that the society cannot function

00:30:32.840 where one's own belief in a concept of liberty permits you to flaunt your disdain for the rulings

00:30:39.500 of duly elected officials that you owe an apology to the elected officials whom you disrespect disrespected

00:30:48.280 but flagrantly ignoring and in one case defiling their orders which you now know obviously apply to you

00:30:57.540 that you understand that the proper way in which in or in an ordered society to engage concerns which

00:31:06.540 you may have had is to hire a lawyer and advocate for change an exception or an amendment to laws that

00:31:14.080 you find offensive that you publicly state that this is the way that citizens in the state should

00:31:22.140 behave and that you represent to this court that you will today cease operation of your salon

00:31:29.820 and not reopen until after further orders of this of the government permit you to do so

00:31:36.680 this court will consider the payment of a fine in lieu of the incarceration which you've demonstrated

00:31:44.620 that you have so clearly earned is there anything that you would like to say

00:31:48.360 so uh that's what she she had to do uh and she responded with this judge i would like to say that i

00:31:58.900 have much respect for this court and laws and that i've never been in this position before

00:32:07.660 and it's not some place that i want to be but i have to disagree with you sir when i when you say

00:32:16.480 that i'm selfish because feeding my kids is not selfish i have hairstylists that are going hungry

00:32:24.980 because they'd rather feed their kids so sir if you think the law is more important than kids getting

00:32:32.340 fed then please go ahead with your decision but i am not going to shut the salon okay stop so she 1.00

00:32:39.920 he wanted an apology that's what he wanted and uh she's sitting in jail now today her attorney is 0.99

00:32:49.900 with us warren norad uh he is the attorney who was by her side yesterday how first of all how is she

00:32:57.780 today have you talked to her not had a chance to talk to her we're in the process of setting that up

00:33:03.720 setting in her account set up it takes a few minutes when somebody first goes to jail

00:33:06.880 and there's no there's no bail right no there's no bail and so our we have a remedy and the remedy is

00:33:15.360 the sole remedy is a writ of habeas corpus and so we're in the process of writing that and then

00:33:21.180 we'll file an emergency motion to set bail before the supreme court and that'll i hope to have that

00:33:27.120 filed this afternoon so have you ever seen a judge say apologize or i'm sending you to jail 0.52

00:33:33.300 i have never seen that you know it reminds me of the that you got to bend the knee you know

00:33:38.740 this is about heresy this is not about the rule of law you have stood before this court and found

00:33:44.960 guilty of disrespect uh even though and it's one one thing is she was saying no i don't like you i

00:33:50.900 don't think that you have any authority and and you know but that's not it this is somebody is

00:33:55.820 she's a humble woman she's had you know in situations like this you see a lot of egos go

00:34:00.240 crazy but she's been she's been great and she understands where she is and she understands she's

00:34:05.280 the tip of the spear you know she represents hundreds of people that are in the same exact boat

00:34:10.820 because politicians are passing laws by executive authority instead of the standard normal procedure

00:34:16.460 what they're supposed to use so they're not following the rule of law but she's supposed to

00:34:20.820 right and so because she didn't break a law did she i mean these aren't laws that have been passed

00:34:29.300 what what what did they convict her on this is a good question they they they say that she's breaking the 0.95

00:34:36.660 the what they're calling an ordinance but it's the fourth amended emergency regulations that's passed

00:34:43.440 by nobody but simply uh uttered by the mayor of dallas which is and he gets his authority supposedly

00:34:50.900 by leaning on the county judge clay jenkins who gets his authority supposedly by leaning on the

00:34:56.400 executive order of the governor so all of these people are passing up and down this this nebulous

00:35:02.460 authority when our constitution in the state of texas says article four section eight if you want

00:35:08.040 to deal with disease threat and it uses that clause disease threat in the constitution you call a special

00:35:14.360 session you make all the laws you want it does not say what they're all doing is they're all going

00:35:18.540 to the disaster act of 1975 that delegated a bunch of power in in the case of emergency um and it's it's

00:35:26.460 far it's far too far gone and one thing it's one thing if we had this going for just a few seconds

00:35:30.640 a few days even a week or two but now we're two months into this at some point we have to go back

00:35:35.860 to the rule of law for the government not just for us i weren't i have to tell you i i don't know what's

00:35:44.440 uh what's happening to us as a nation uh and i think we are headed for real trouble because it's one thing

00:35:53.000 to say like you said for a couple of weeks and then ask people look we recommend that you do this

00:35:59.840 and we just really need your cooperation and if they choose not to do it it's their right but

00:36:06.060 we these people are being forced out of business she was only what six days early 10 days early

00:36:14.000 the salon's open tomorrow and is it true that the go ahead well she the problem is that one of the 0.99

00:36:23.780 issues is that is the governor and all these people are making these rules they look at it from the

00:36:27.820 perspective of is do you need a haircut instead of looking at the perspective of do people need

00:36:32.360 money to live you know that the ag commissioner came out and had a letter that said everybody who's

00:36:37.380 in the flow of the chain of distribution of food is essential who's the last link on that chain the

00:36:43.720 person eating the food so what about his job shouldn't that job be just as essential they're all

00:36:48.760 essential and then the problem is that is that you the executives that are making these decisions are

00:36:54.680 not thinking through what this really does to people and so you get these strange uh incongruities

00:37:01.860 you know a liquor store is essential a daycare you know where three-year-olds are eating each other's

00:37:07.220 snot that's essential and you can do all that but but to say that a a state registered

00:37:13.360 hairstylist has 1500 hours according to the state to learn how to handle their the her clients 0.91

00:37:21.280 hygienically it's impossible no that we can't let that happen we have to put people in jail before

00:37:26.520 we allow people to earn a living so that's the problem with with law by executive order when you

00:37:33.500 don't do things right over a period of time and she was she was operating safely it wasn't a jam-packed

00:37:40.640 salon in fact all of the the hairstylists did not return they were wearing masks right

00:37:46.240 right the general rules wearing masks of course was really what's tragically ironic is that the

00:37:52.920 cops that come in they weren't wearing masks the first time she had to tell them no you got to put

00:37:57.180 a mask on they had to go back to their car and get the mask so yeah this this is the the rules are as i

00:38:02.980 make them up as i go along and and then we're going to decide uh how to treat you if you don't bend the

00:38:09.340 knee and follow our rules so it's a it's a natural consequence of not following the rules for the

00:38:16.640 government that they cause laws that force other people to look like they're guilty is it true that 0.94

00:38:23.500 the governor called her just a few days ago and talked to her about uh how to open salons or did he

00:38:31.080 have any contact with her at all uh the there the governor has had agents and i'm aware of this uh that

00:38:37.700 have talked to her and there's been some interaction between uh all of those folks i don't think that

00:38:42.740 she actually talked to the governor himself but she did talk to the two agents of the governor and and

00:38:47.240 the i know that the things that we've all talked about wound up being what the governor announced

00:38:52.500 yesterday which was by itself still disappointing i mean what is the difference between today versus

00:38:57.080 friday the problem is the governor's not looking at what's really going on there are hundreds of

00:39:02.180 salons and gyms all over the state and a lot of them have called me you know that said look can you

00:39:07.100 help me out because i've got this code enforcement guy that's that's coming by and harassing me all the

00:39:12.140 time um and so those people are still left in the in the lurch for a while um even today even even with

00:39:18.860 the newest order you have 51 restaurants and bars that could operate as a restaurant but because they

00:39:25.900 have the 51 they're not allowed to operate as a restaurant so what happened there well people create

00:39:31.780 an executive order they're doing the best they can they have a limited time and they're making mistakes

00:39:36.880 and so all the all of the bar restaurants that could operate as restaurants can't operate even

00:39:42.140 though all the other normal restaurants can so you get these incongruities because you're not passing

00:39:48.260 laws if you want to pass laws you call a special session or you just stop doing that the governor

00:39:54.840 could also just say look everybody operates at 25 percent everybody operates at 25 percent you know

00:40:00.500 because it is every uh is every daycare essential is is every home depot essential all of these jobs

00:40:09.000 we need these access we need access to all these organizations but if he had simply said look everybody

00:40:13.740 look at your certificate of occupancy and whatever it says take that number to 25 percent of it that way

00:40:19.480 you don't have to worry about about your impact on churches because churches are impacted because that's

00:40:24.780 that's rational and you're not setting them apart that way all the essential businesses are impacted that way

00:40:29.380 everybody can earn a living or at least make it some attempt to hold on but this picking and choosing

00:40:34.300 where condom sense for example is allowed to operate because they put medical devices underneath their

00:40:39.760 sign i kid you not oh my gosh oh my gosh right that's a fact okay so so liquor stores full bore do

00:40:48.260 what you want so it turns into a class snobbery the vape shops well sorry even though you're consumer

00:40:53.740 electronics you get to you don't get to operate so you get you get this vague notions of

00:40:59.400 hmm it seems like the businesses i like liquor stores because they sell my wine they get to operate but do you

00:41:06.120 see liquor stores on the president's list or on the on the governor's list no that's just something

00:41:10.720 everybody's just decided we like liquor stores and so you know there's no rhyme or reason for it

00:41:15.620 so warren where is this going to go where where i mean i think we are headed for litigation against

00:41:23.200 and investigations as well i mean our attorney general has already said it uh he's looking into

00:41:29.480 all of these cases where is this going it's going to depend what i want everybody to do is to remember

00:41:35.220 this day and and the anger that we feel this day when it comes time to vote in november we we all get

00:41:41.340 so agitated and you get the keyboard warriors there man they're pounding out you know amazing

00:41:46.060 sat you know pieces but when it comes time for ordinary people just to do something as simple as

00:41:51.600 go vote in in the november elections in the city council elections that everybody is sleepy about

00:41:57.060 you know 10 turnout uh these people have so much control over our lives that uh and we just go back

00:42:04.160 to sleep so people have to remember these times let's figure and remember that as far as this is

00:42:08.700 concerned we're going to file our our application for rid of habeas corpus and we're going to try to

00:42:13.800 get shelly out of there as soon as possible uh because you know she's a rock star she's a real hero

00:42:18.820 i mean it's people call all the time it's the principle of the thing and then you say well you know

00:42:23.180 i don't know how this is going to go you may have to go to jail and well i don't go to jail

00:42:27.280 and that's the end of it and so i told her look you could go to jail if this goes awry and she said

00:42:32.900 i have to do this we got to get going she has a one salonist stylist that came in from midland 0.98

00:42:38.500 uh because she was starving in midland but she saw that shelly was operating so she called shelly

00:42:43.560 and she came up and she was one of the chairs because they were all brave you got to show up

00:42:47.220 you're you're you're risking you know getting a ticket there i know another salon that called me 0.99

00:42:52.880 four of their people got cited so these are all unsophisticated people that they don't know what's

00:42:57.540 going on happening to them or they could be put in jail for six months and of course that's what

00:43:01.360 this is all about is just setting the stage and setting an example making an example out of

00:43:06.140 shelly luther so that no everybody understands if you stand up and say no your rule of law is not

00:43:11.640 your rule of law it's not really even an ordinance you are you are enforcing a bunch of nebulous things

00:43:19.080 so yeah that's you gotta stand up it is it it's uh it's astounding what is happening because as you

00:43:25.780 say it is not law

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