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In the midst of a pandemic, is it possible to maintain and maybe increase your happiness? Is that even possible? And is it even possible to be happy in the middle of a world where happiness is at an all-time low? Join us as we talk about the Dallas salon owner who is now going to jail for opening her own business.
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welcome to the podcast today we we talk again about this dallas salon owner that is now going
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to jail for opening her own business a remarkable story that is developing in a bizarre unconstitutional
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way it would seem especially as texas announces that salons can open up on friday they're putting
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up someone who opened their salon a couple days early in jail all the people that are out of jail
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who are committing crimes yet she's going in pat gray joins us he'll be talking about that story as
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well as arthur brooks he is on talking about how to in the middle of a pandemic maintain and maybe
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increase your happiness is that even possible he has a great way of thinking about that and arthur
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brooks is always really good and we have joe biden a new poll showing that a decent amount of democrats
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won and replaced as the nominee is this actually reality we'll get into that as well don't forget
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arthur brooks welcome to the program sir how are you hello glenn how are you my friend i can't believe
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we haven't talked in so long i know i know and we just the last thing we said to each other is
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we've got to stay in touch and it's been like six months um it's ridiculous i know i see you i'm
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like i i feel like i was separated at birth from this guy i mean exactly the same way right and we
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have the same yeah we do we love america but we're not we're not uncritical we see what's wrong and we
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want to make it right we were we were we're both classically trained uh french hornists so
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oh no that's you i don't know that's that was just you um anyway so uh arthur you are now uh
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teaching at harvard kennedy uh school and uh you're what what exactly is the class you're teaching what
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is it you're teaching so i'm a professor of leadership at harvard and and i span two schools
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the harvard kennedy school is the policy school at harvard and the harvard business school is
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obviously hbs is where people get their mbas and i teach classes and leadership uh at the policy
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side i teach classes and happiness at the harvard business school it's the most incredible opportunity
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i've ever had i just finished this super popular very oversubscribed class called leadership and
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happiness to my mba students right before they all had to leave and not come back
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now do the the the does the school and the students do they know how much of a free market
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guy you are well i think you know most universities in america today they'll accept a free market here
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on a case-by-case basis okay and and you know the nice thing about it is i mean like most universities
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harvard university has you know most of the people pretty left-leaning but what i love about it is the real
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it's a real marketplace for ideas and there's an appreciation for people who think differently so i
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felt incredibly welcome i love it i have to say well and my students are smart and everybody mixes it up
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it's fine there could not be a better uh mascot or or champion of uh the free market and our system
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than you uh i'm thrilled that you're up there making an impact um i want to talk to you a little bit
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about an article that you just wrote on happiness uh and fulfillment because we have something that
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we're not really talking about one of the real unintended consequences of of what's happening
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with covid is people are wildly lonely loneliest the the according to research loneliest americans have
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ever been uh and we have real fear uh doubt people are going to be you know many people have already
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lost their job that just does horrible things to people so i wanted to talk to you about happiness
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because in this article you you said that there's there's three equations and i want you to take us
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through the three equations of of how we can get better yeah no i appreciate that and and just even
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back up a little bit the loneliness thing is a really interesting problem because most of us we
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leave our relationships up to our circumstances and then and then we can't i mean most of us actually
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feel good when we're with other people maybe not in a you know bustling party but seeing other people
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but we don't know why we feel good and there's an answer to that and the answer is that there's a
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neurotransmitter that's created by the human brain called oxytocin not to be confused with
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obviously but they're actually similar in so far is that oxytocin makes us feel physically good and
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when people are really lonely they'll take drugs because they actually want to substitute for it
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this is one of the reasons that they found that 20 percent of active duty troops in vietnam were
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addicted to heroin but when they were when they came back and they got their oxytocin in their brains
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which came from contact with others 95 spontaneously stopped using heroin on their first day back
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this stuff is super powerful and when we don't take into account this oxytocin this neurotransmitter
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this hormone in the human brain we're going to actually feel horrible so that the challenges
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you know for public policy makers and leaders is understanding that we have to make cost benefit
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calculations where people are not going to become depressed and lonely even if there's some risk to
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society it's very important and for the rest of us we have to understand that and make decisions
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where we can get our fix of the oxytocin that god wants us to have so i don't know if you uh remember
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john huntsman senior uh but he was a friend of mine and you know grew up dirt poor became a billionaire
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and a guy that really had everything had a great family had a great business great reputation
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more money than you know the holy family but you know the holy family was poor but um he just had
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just had a lot and you would look on the outside and you would say this guy there's no way this guy
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couldn't be happy and he was happy he was fulfilled but he taught me something one of the first times he
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kind of became a mentor of mine and we were just walking around in his yard his backyard and and uh
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he said so glenn how much is enough and i said what and he said how much is enough and now here's a guy
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who's walking around and we were on the side of a mountain that he owned and i said uh i don't know i
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don't know and he said well you have to decide and you have to decide right now he said because when you
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get there you won't recognize it because it won't be enough so you have to recognize it now
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otherwise you'll always be pursuing it yeah that's right and and the the key thing is that
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the key thing to remember is that there are basically four things that your brain is telling
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you to chase that are idols and they won't bring happiness and there are four things you should be
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chasing so here's basically so i'll give everybody a second who's listening to us all million that are
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listening to us right now pick up a pencil okay so the four things that your brain that mother nature
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is telling you you really really want are money power pleasure and fame and fame means prestige or
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whatever it means the admiration of other people okay money power pleasure and fame those are the
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things that mother nature if you get it you'll finally be happy but but they're wrong they're idols
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yeah big they're 180 degrees off of what you really want here's what you really want that'll actually
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give you enduring happiness faith family friendship and work that serves others and where you can earn
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your success that's it that's your happiness portfolio those are the places where you're supposed to put
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your deposits mother nature by the way doesn't care if we're happy i mean notwithstanding this thing
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i talked about this oxytocin in our brains mother nature she's like yeah look it's famous and you'll
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finally be happy you'll be on the hedonic treadmill on the hamster wheel of life for the rest of your
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life that's why john huntsman said glenn what's your number why because that's the only chance if
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you can answer that question to get off the treadmill and it is it's again one of the reasons why i left fox
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is because i wanted i noticed that i was starting to want the fame and i knew because i'm an alcoholic i
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had already washed out once i knew these things and as the minute i wanted it i i realized i'm going
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to destroy myself i mean and that's why people who are famous you generally will sell their soul or if
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they're powerful in congress they'll sell their soul because they want it and they just keep trading
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away the things of real meaning and value oh yeah no it's a fame is a really it's it's the worst of the
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four by the way so you can be quite happy battery acid with money with money but the same you can
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only ever be happy in spite of it and yet people really really want it and this actually comes from
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evolutionary biology so evolutionary biologists will say that people want you know this ratio of
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people who know you versus the people you know you want that to be really really high because you're
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more likely if you're you know troglodyte 500 000 years ago you're more likely to get more baits
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if you have prestige the problem is in the current world we've taken the ability to become famous to
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these incredible heights you know we can you can anybody can be a celebrity on youtube if you just
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do it right and so the result is that our brains are saying get more famous get more famous and yet
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everybody you talk to who's achieved fame they'll say i can only ever be happy in spite of it but i keep
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running toward it i can't i mean you have the presence of mind because you're actually somebody who has
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battled idolatry who's battled addiction but these are these are real addictions money power pleasure
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fame these are real addictions you beat it once and so you know what it looks like you know what
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a monster looks like and that guy you know it's like trying to get in your house all the time so
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you say i'm gonna go do something else and it's i really admired that when you did it because i knew
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what you were doing because i knew you and i said boy glenn is really has presence of mind this is this
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it was very adroit and it's really weird arthur because our kids are they're just pursuing fame
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they do the youtube facebook they're they're all of society is teaching us the exact opposite um and
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it's encouraging it and they're looking for fame and i'm telling you i think you're you're absolutely
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right that it's the worst one it's battery acid to the soul and even when even when you when you
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recognize that as you as you become less famous or whatever you're there's something in you that's
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like don't no don't no no no and it's crazy you're gonna die yeah it's crazy it's really crazy
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for sure and most people you know even adults who are not trying to become youtube stars and what
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they want is this admiration so it's a it's a form of local fame called prestige i want the right
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people to admire me and it's just the admiration of people that people will they crave so much and
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they work so hard to get and you recognize that at the end of the day the people who admire you they
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don't care if you die they don't care and if and if you if you uh it's why i think there are so many
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people that are unwilling to speak out on things like the me too movement me too movement it's good
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it we need the balance you know we it's made some good things but it's also been just battery acid on
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on liberties and and justice and and truth and people will just line up to just parrot whatever
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it is because they don't want to lose their prestige they don't want to be a pariah nobody wants to be a
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pariah yeah you want to it tends to turn people into pleasers and you know i'm going to serve you know
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the trivial desires of other people it'll it'll basically take away your dignity in the end because
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you know you know whether fox news or msnbc or whatever still these are profit-making organizations
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so they'll just try you out man again and again and again they'll say they'll basically instrumentalize
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glint beck and you're not an instrument you're a human being you're a child of god you have dignity
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and only you at the end of the day and a few other people you know your spouse your kids
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your friends are the people who will stand up for your dignity that's why when you stood up for
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your own dignity and said i'm going to go my own way i admired it so much and you know each one of
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us most people were listening to you i mean they they follow you they admire you they take your lead
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they love your leadership and they say well yeah it was different i mean glenn and arthur have a
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different kind of life than i do especially glenn he's a big famous guy every single person faces
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these decisions all the time we face decisions constantly am i going to sell myself for a symbol of
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myself or am i going to remember who i am and and and hue to that it's really important that all of
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us have this we we sell our soul we become that hollywood star or whatever every time we edit a
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picture of our life or we take the perfect picture of our life and post it on facebook and don't post
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what really is going on you know what i mean we don't yeah you don't see your life a mess everybody
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is is skewing it which makes things worse for you because you're not living that life uh and it makes
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it worse for everybody else because they're like well they're living that life and i'm not it's horrible
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it's horrible you're setting up your you're sit you're advertising your fake life and consuming the
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fake lives of others yeah i got something that's gonna blow your mind actually um on this because i've
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okay wait wait wait research on that you got we got to go right they give yeah give it give me one
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minute and we'll come right back with what's going to blow our minds uh more with uh arthur brooks in just a second
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voters three to one say the national media is not aggressive enough reporting joe biden's sexual
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assault allegations when you look at another poll a new poll out shows 26 percent now of democrats
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want joe biden to be replaced because of this 26 say he's gotta go so let's break this poll down here
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for a second before we get into the facts 61 of democrats believe that biden appeared very credible
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or somewhat credible during his interview with morning joe where he denied the allegations
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six only 61 percent when you when you have 40 percent of the american democratic party
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saying i he's not credible on this do you have a viable candidate honestly
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26 percent of the democratic party would move to replace biden after watching the video
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61 percent say they found his denial at least somewhat critical uh credible and should remain the nominee
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the number includes 28 percent of democratic women uh only 28 percent say that he should remain
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really younger women voters are the most likely to want biden replaced as the presumptive nominee
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of the democratic party 40 percent of voters under 45 agreeing that she he should be replaced
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40 percent under 45 and 15 percent of older voters say he should be replaced among general
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voters so this would include the the republicans and the the independents if you don't get independence you
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don't win among general voters only 41 percent say they found his denials somewhat credible or very
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credible versus 38 percent that say it's not credible at all
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you don't usually make a change you're like i'm not going to change horses i know what this guy is
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and i may not like this guy but i know what this guy is
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and we're fine if you don't believe that you know we're fine under donald trump well then you're
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going to vote for really probably anybody um but when you have two guys and one is joe biden
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and it's of the democratic party it exposes the democratic party for who they are it exposes the media
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for who they are and it would expose you i think there's i think there is 25 to 50 percent of the
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voting public 50 is too high 25 to 35 percent of voters in america that would go you know what
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i i just i i'm not going to sell me out this is it bothers me and will pass on him that's going to be a
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problem yeah i think people will overlook a lot when casting a vote here a lot of people have
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their minds made up on trump you know this is a pretty partisan country at this moment um you know
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we've been even seeing evidence lately of people coming out and saying i believe tara reid and her
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assault accusation but i'm still going to be voting for joe biden which is what are you saying about
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yourself when you're saying hey you know who would be okay for me to endorse as a candidate
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a rapist that is a uh that's a it's a hell of a standard to set for yourself yeah if you believe
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unlike i mean what donald trump said you know on that bus uh years ago was really offensive but that
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was really sick over the top guy talk now that doesn't mean that that didn't it did he you know
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he said that's what he did but you know right guys say a lot of stuff but this is the accusation
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is from a woman that joe actually did that uh and and then some yeah i mean that's a real problem i know
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of zero trump supporters who voted for donald trump that believe those allegations that he
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committed sexual assault that you might have this idea that oh well they're fooling themselves into
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believing trump that's fine but at least they're doing the work on that uh you know democrats at
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this point are like yeah you know he's probably a rapist but i don't really like donald trump
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so uh i'm gonna vote for the rapist and i think like there's donald trump it was i don't i don't like
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i don't like the way he talks i don't like what he said i don't but it's not the allegation that was
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believable uh of what joe biden is being accused of yeah there is a difference here there were
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allegations against trump as the left likes to point out in these moments but uh you know look you have
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to do your own work and try to believe what you believe um i think the issue here is a candidate as
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you get close to an election is you can't have major reasons for people to not vote for you in
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this environment and yes the democrats they'll deny this all day but the democrats already have the idea
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in their head that joe biden doesn't seem capable of doing this job that is already there they don't
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think donald trump is capable either so it's they're able to hold on to their vote for biden right now
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but if you start piling these things on top of each other he's incompetent he may have actually
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sexually assaulted a woman and now is doing all the things that we said were terrible all the
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scrutiny about her character all these questions about her claims all of these things that are going
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on now that you have set the standard that were not all these things should not even be allowed in
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polite society as of two weeks ago and now you're having to justify and backtrack on all these things
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that you said people hate doing that and so they're trying to find their little pathway into
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continuing to be able to justify this vote for biden and if you keep piling things like this on top of
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each other they're not going to be able to find it yeah well they they will find another reason nobody
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wants to admit that the standard that they've been holding up that has destroyed people's lives
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is the wrong standard nobody wants to be that wrong um only the real brave will so they will find
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another reason uh and it could just be the straw that breaks the camel's back i mean if you look at
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i have the eight accusers in front of me you have uh amy cole uh helping run a reception for about 50 people
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in 2008 biden arrived she introduced uh they introduced him to her he leaned in squeezed her
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shoulders and delivered a compliment about her smile holding her for a beat too long um okay i think he's
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just kind of a creepy dude uh that doesn't that's not assault number seven amy lapos former congressional
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aid uh democratic political activist claimed that during the 2009 political fundraiser or fundraiser in
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greenwich he touched her inappropriately she said it wasn't sexual but he grabbed me by the head he put
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his hand around my neck and pulled me in to rub noses with me when he was pulling me in i thought he was
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going to kiss me on the mouth i never filed a complaint to be honest because it was the vice president
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and i'm a nobody wow is that a problem uh caitlin caruso said four years ago the age of 19 uh survivor
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of sexual assault spoke at an event on sexual assault university of las vegas when biden was
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attending um after she shared her experience of sexual assault biden rested his hand on her thigh
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even though he squirmed she squirmed in her seat to show her discomfort he hugged her just a little too
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long it doesn't even really cross your mind that such a person would dare uh perpetrate harm like that
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she said these are supposed to be the people that you can trust okay so again just inappropriate and
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possibly just a creepy dude but not sexual assault also consistent with each other right like all these
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all of these are very consistent yeah and and all of the pictures you know of him sniffing hair and
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saying really creepy things to girls but that again is you have to make the decision is that just an
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old man who this because this is his excuse look i grew up in a different age blah blah blah i i'm sorry
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i even if i buy that grandpa you know you can't continue to do that you know when everybody had
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somebody in their in their family growing up i mean depending on your age if you're at least my age
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you had somebody growing up uh that was you know older in the 60s in the 70s and they were still like
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you know talking about coloreds uh you know or whatever and you know they may not have had any
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malice it's just the world they grew up in and at some point you were like grandpa stop saying that you
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gotta stop saying that you know and this time grandpa's going to be the president of the united states
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and we keep saying to him hey stop hugging people rubbing noses with them and saying really creepy
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things to girls he just won't stop that's the problem so then you have a former white house intern
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she said she was there in 2013 she was trying to exit the basement of the west wing when she was asked
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to step aside biden uh approached her uh shook her hand and introduced himself during the encounter
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she said biden put his hand on the back of my head and pressed his forehead to my forehead and said
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what a pretty girl oof grandpa stop uh lucy flores uh wrote an essay she was working for biden in 2014
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just before speeches we were ushered to the side of the stage where we were lined up for introduction
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i was taking deep breaths and preparing myself to make my case to the crowd i felt two hands on my
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shoulders i froze why is the vice president of the united states touching me i felt him get closer to
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me from behind he leaned further in and inhaled my hair i was mortified i thought to myself i didn't
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even wash my hair today and the vice president is smelling it and also what in the actual f why is he
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doing this she said my brain couldn't process what was happening i was embarrassed i was shocked i was
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confused um then you have the next accuser sophie sophie was one of 50 sexual assault survivors she
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appeared on stage with lady gaga at the oscars blah blah blah when met uh and heard about her you know
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her experiences he responded by clasping her hands and leaning down to place his forehead against hers
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the moment was photographed and went viral uh she said he just crossed the boundary into my personal
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space at a very sensitive moment he emphasized that he wanted to connect with people and of course
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that's important but then again all of our interactions and friendships are two-way street
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too often it doesn't matter how the woman feels okay so all of those are things that you could dismiss you
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could just say okay grandpa stop it you could dismiss that but those things added on top of what
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tara reed said and some of the other accusers now that are coming out because there's a couple of
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other that 14 year old girl whose i think mother said no it was the wrong year maybe but remember you
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facts don't even matter they didn't even know where the house was or anything else uh with uh
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uh with what's her name on kavanaugh they had nothing they didn't know the date they didn't know the
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this 14 year old girl said she was really uh humiliated in lockstep with the others tara reeds is
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the only one that steps out and is out of the norm uh to where it's an actual assault and it's a bad
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description of an assault now the media won't tell you um both sides of this story they won't look at
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this honestly and say okay so who is tara reed what are the what are the conditions that have to be met
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you know to be credible uh who's joe biden and was he there all of these things we've done uh our
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homework and i can't give you an answer because i wasn't there but i can give you both sides in an
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this is the glenn beck program we're glad you're here thank you so much for listening uh i want to
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take you to a court in dallas yesterday um this is uh in the bizarre trial uh of of a woman who just
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tried to open up her her salon here in dallas because she was about to lose her salon uh she
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couldn't keep it closed any longer and uh many of the stylists uh were really having a hard time
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finding enough money to be able to feed their families so she opened it up last uh uh last um
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um um what else to say sorry i'm so distracted on something else uh she she opened it up last week
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she got a cease and desist uh she tore the cease and desist up and said i'm sorry i'm going to
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i have a right to keep my shop open she went to trial and here's what the judge said to her yesterday
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listen to this that you now see the error of your ways and understand that the society cannot function
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where one's own belief in a concept of liberty permits you to flaunt your disdain for the rulings
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of duly elected officials that you owe an apology to the elected officials whom you disrespect disrespected
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but flagrantly ignoring and in one case defiling their orders which you now know obviously apply to you
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that you understand that the proper way in which in or in an ordered society to engage concerns which
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you may have had is to hire a lawyer and advocate for change an exception or an amendment to laws that
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you find offensive that you publicly state that this is the way that citizens in the state should
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behave and that you represent to this court that you will today cease operation of your salon
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and not reopen until after further orders of this of the government permit you to do so
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this court will consider the payment of a fine in lieu of the incarceration which you've demonstrated
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that you have so clearly earned is there anything that you would like to say
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so uh that's what she she had to do uh and she responded with this judge i would like to say that i
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have much respect for this court and laws and that i've never been in this position before
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and it's not some place that i want to be but i have to disagree with you sir when i when you say
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that i'm selfish because feeding my kids is not selfish i have hairstylists that are going hungry
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because they'd rather feed their kids so sir if you think the law is more important than kids getting
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fed then please go ahead with your decision but i am not going to shut the salon okay stop so she
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he wanted an apology that's what he wanted and uh she's sitting in jail now today her attorney is
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with us warren norad uh he is the attorney who was by her side yesterday how first of all how is she
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today have you talked to her not had a chance to talk to her we're in the process of setting that up
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setting in her account set up it takes a few minutes when somebody first goes to jail
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and there's no there's no bail right no there's no bail and so our we have a remedy and the remedy is
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the sole remedy is a writ of habeas corpus and so we're in the process of writing that and then
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we'll file an emergency motion to set bail before the supreme court and that'll i hope to have that
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filed this afternoon so have you ever seen a judge say apologize or i'm sending you to jail
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i have never seen that you know it reminds me of the that you got to bend the knee you know
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this is about heresy this is not about the rule of law you have stood before this court and found
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guilty of disrespect uh even though and it's one one thing is she was saying no i don't like you i
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don't think that you have any authority and and you know but that's not it this is somebody is
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she's a humble woman she's had you know in situations like this you see a lot of egos go
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crazy but she's been she's been great and she understands where she is and she understands she's
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the tip of the spear you know she represents hundreds of people that are in the same exact boat
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because politicians are passing laws by executive authority instead of the standard normal procedure
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what they're supposed to use so they're not following the rule of law but she's supposed to
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right and so because she didn't break a law did she i mean these aren't laws that have been passed
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what what what did they convict her on this is a good question they they they say that she's breaking the
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the what they're calling an ordinance but it's the fourth amended emergency regulations that's passed
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by nobody but simply uh uttered by the mayor of dallas which is and he gets his authority supposedly
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by leaning on the county judge clay jenkins who gets his authority supposedly by leaning on the
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executive order of the governor so all of these people are passing up and down this this nebulous
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authority when our constitution in the state of texas says article four section eight if you want
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to deal with disease threat and it uses that clause disease threat in the constitution you call a special
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session you make all the laws you want it does not say what they're all doing is they're all going
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to the disaster act of 1975 that delegated a bunch of power in in the case of emergency um and it's it's
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far it's far too far gone and one thing it's one thing if we had this going for just a few seconds
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a few days even a week or two but now we're two months into this at some point we have to go back
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to the rule of law for the government not just for us i weren't i have to tell you i i don't know what's
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uh what's happening to us as a nation uh and i think we are headed for real trouble because it's one thing
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to say like you said for a couple of weeks and then ask people look we recommend that you do this
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and we just really need your cooperation and if they choose not to do it it's their right but
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we these people are being forced out of business she was only what six days early 10 days early
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the salon's open tomorrow and is it true that the go ahead well she the problem is that one of the
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issues is that is the governor and all these people are making these rules they look at it from the
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perspective of is do you need a haircut instead of looking at the perspective of do people need
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money to live you know that the ag commissioner came out and had a letter that said everybody who's
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in the flow of the chain of distribution of food is essential who's the last link on that chain the
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person eating the food so what about his job shouldn't that job be just as essential they're all
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essential and then the problem is that is that you the executives that are making these decisions are
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not thinking through what this really does to people and so you get these strange uh incongruities
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you know a liquor store is essential a daycare you know where three-year-olds are eating each other's
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snot that's essential and you can do all that but but to say that a a state registered
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hairstylist has 1500 hours according to the state to learn how to handle their the her clients
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hygienically it's impossible no that we can't let that happen we have to put people in jail before
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we allow people to earn a living so that's the problem with with law by executive order when you
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don't do things right over a period of time and she was she was operating safely it wasn't a jam-packed
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salon in fact all of the the hairstylists did not return they were wearing masks right
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right the general rules wearing masks of course was really what's tragically ironic is that the
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cops that come in they weren't wearing masks the first time she had to tell them no you got to put
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a mask on they had to go back to their car and get the mask so yeah this this is the the rules are as i
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make them up as i go along and and then we're going to decide uh how to treat you if you don't bend the
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knee and follow our rules so it's a it's a natural consequence of not following the rules for the
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government that they cause laws that force other people to look like they're guilty is it true that
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the governor called her just a few days ago and talked to her about uh how to open salons or did he
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have any contact with her at all uh the there the governor has had agents and i'm aware of this uh that
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have talked to her and there's been some interaction between uh all of those folks i don't think that
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she actually talked to the governor himself but she did talk to the two agents of the governor and and
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the i know that the things that we've all talked about wound up being what the governor announced
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yesterday which was by itself still disappointing i mean what is the difference between today versus
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friday the problem is the governor's not looking at what's really going on there are hundreds of
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salons and gyms all over the state and a lot of them have called me you know that said look can you
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help me out because i've got this code enforcement guy that's that's coming by and harassing me all the
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time um and so those people are still left in the in the lurch for a while um even today even even with
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the newest order you have 51 restaurants and bars that could operate as a restaurant but because they
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have the 51 they're not allowed to operate as a restaurant so what happened there well people create
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an executive order they're doing the best they can they have a limited time and they're making mistakes
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and so all the all of the bar restaurants that could operate as restaurants can't operate even
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though all the other normal restaurants can so you get these incongruities because you're not passing
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laws if you want to pass laws you call a special session or you just stop doing that the governor
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could also just say look everybody operates at 25 percent everybody operates at 25 percent you know
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because it is every uh is every daycare essential is is every home depot essential all of these jobs
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we need these access we need access to all these organizations but if he had simply said look everybody
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look at your certificate of occupancy and whatever it says take that number to 25 percent of it that way
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you don't have to worry about about your impact on churches because churches are impacted because that's
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that's rational and you're not setting them apart that way all the essential businesses are impacted that way
00:40:29.380
everybody can earn a living or at least make it some attempt to hold on but this picking and choosing
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where condom sense for example is allowed to operate because they put medical devices underneath their
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sign i kid you not oh my gosh oh my gosh right that's a fact okay so so liquor stores full bore do
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what you want so it turns into a class snobbery the vape shops well sorry even though you're consumer
00:40:53.740
electronics you get to you don't get to operate so you get you get this vague notions of
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hmm it seems like the businesses i like liquor stores because they sell my wine they get to operate but do you
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see liquor stores on the president's list or on the on the governor's list no that's just something
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everybody's just decided we like liquor stores and so you know there's no rhyme or reason for it
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so warren where is this going to go where where i mean i think we are headed for litigation against
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and investigations as well i mean our attorney general has already said it uh he's looking into
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all of these cases where is this going it's going to depend what i want everybody to do is to remember
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this day and and the anger that we feel this day when it comes time to vote in november we we all get
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so agitated and you get the keyboard warriors there man they're pounding out you know amazing
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sat you know pieces but when it comes time for ordinary people just to do something as simple as
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go vote in in the november elections in the city council elections that everybody is sleepy about
00:41:57.060
you know 10 turnout uh these people have so much control over our lives that uh and we just go back
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to sleep so people have to remember these times let's figure and remember that as far as this is
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concerned we're going to file our our application for rid of habeas corpus and we're going to try to
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get shelly out of there as soon as possible uh because you know she's a rock star she's a real hero
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i mean it's people call all the time it's the principle of the thing and then you say well you know
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i don't know how this is going to go you may have to go to jail and well i don't go to jail
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and that's the end of it and so i told her look you could go to jail if this goes awry and she said
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i have to do this we got to get going she has a one salonist stylist that came in from midland
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uh because she was starving in midland but she saw that shelly was operating so she called shelly
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and she came up and she was one of the chairs because they were all brave you got to show up
00:42:47.220
you're you're you're risking you know getting a ticket there i know another salon that called me
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four of their people got cited so these are all unsophisticated people that they don't know what's
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going on happening to them or they could be put in jail for six months and of course that's what
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this is all about is just setting the stage and setting an example making an example out of
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shelly luther so that no everybody understands if you stand up and say no your rule of law is not
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your rule of law it's not really even an ordinance you are you are enforcing a bunch of nebulous things
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so yeah that's you gotta stand up it is it it's uh it's astounding what is happening because as you