The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Arthur Herman & Mayor Don McLaughlin ｜ 6⧸20⧸19

00:00:00.000 Welcome to the podcast. Today, Glenn is still in Idaho at the ranch and he's got a little bit to

00:00:06.420 say about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who is blabbing on about the Holocaust and or excuse me

00:00:13.660 concentration camps that definitely were not from the Holocaust. I'm sorry my mistake.

00:00:17.740 We also have kind of a controversial clip from The View where Meghan McCain is being yelled at by 0.72

00:00:23.820 Joy Behar. Finally, we also, I mean, it's really kind of a lot of the same stuff today. Everyone's

00:00:30.520 yelling at each other and we try to sift through the mess here to get to the truth when it comes

00:00:36.560 to reparations and our history. Arthur Herman, historian, joins us to kind of go through what

00:00:42.580 are the things that we need to preserve from our history and also what are the conflicts of our

00:00:46.980 history when it comes to slavery all the way till today? What is the actual truth? We also talked to

00:00:52.180 a mayor in Texas whose town of I think 17,000 is being overrun by illegal immigrant drop-offs

00:00:59.160 from the border because no longer do we have any facilities to hold people on the border.

00:01:03.820 He's looking for help from Texas. And Chuck Todd, who comes out and actually seems to call out

00:01:10.000 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other Democrats for not criticizing her. It's an interesting day

00:01:15.440 and we will get to that today on the podcast. You know, it's amazing to me.

00:01:20.940 Um, Chuck Todd is going after AOC and you have to give him credit. I mean, when somebody does

00:01:27.820 something brave, no matter if you agree or disagree with them, you should, uh, you should

00:01:33.180 come out and say, Hey, Chuck Todd don't normally agree with you, but you're being brave. And that

00:01:39.360 is good. Here's what Chuck Todd said about AOC calling these, uh, these, uh, holding facilities,

00:01:45.740 concentration camps on our border. Listen, if you want to criticize the shameful treatment of people

00:01:51.880 at our Southern border, fine, you'll have plenty of company, but be careful comparing them to Nazi 0.95

00:01:57.240 concentration camps because they're not at all comparable in the slightest. But here's where

00:02:03.360 it's, uh, upsetting as her comment. Some Democrats have been reluctant to condemn her remarks.

00:02:07.960 They don't want to get criticized on Twitter. Fellow New York Congressman Jerry Nadler tweeted

00:02:11.540 in response, one of the lessons from the Holocaust is never again. We fail to learn that lesson 0.96

00:02:15.740 when we don't call out such inhumanity right in front of us. Jerry Nadler surely knows migrant 1.00

00:02:20.840 detainment camps are not the same as concentration camps. So why didn't he just say that? Why are we

00:02:26.220 so sheepish calling out people we agree with politically these days? Obviously this isn't a

00:02:30.760 Democratic party thing. It's an even bigger problem on the Republican side of the aisle when it comes to

00:02:35.960 President Trump and the reluctance there. Are we really so ensconced in our political bubbles,

00:02:41.360 liberal versus conservative, that we cannot talk about right versus wrong anymore? Some things are

00:02:46.780 bigger than partisanship, or at least they used to be. That is, that is amazing to hear from him.

00:02:54.400 Now, I, I, I disagree that the problem is even bigger. I mean, you have people now saying,

00:03:00.280 I want to dismantle the free market system. Uh, you know, maybe you all agree on that. Maybe that's

00:03:09.900 what it is, but I would think that would be something that would be pretty big, you know,

00:03:14.680 but maybe it's just me, but congratulations to Chuck Todd. Now, Nancy Pelosi, not so brave. Here's Nancy

00:03:22.500 Pelosi. These members of Congress are, they come and represent their district and their point of view.

00:03:30.280 And they take responsibility for the statements that they make. I'm not up to date on her most

00:03:36.280 recent one. I saw something in the news, but I, um, no, I haven't spoken to her about that. I do have

00:03:41.980 some, uh, comments to make to my caucus writ large about the political nature of, uh, how politically

00:03:49.680 charged the atmosphere is. So understand, uh, that while the Republicans have no interest in holding the

00:03:56.160 president accountable for his words, they will misrepresent anything that you say, just if you

00:04:02.500 have one word in the sentence that they can exploit. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh, okay. So let's,

00:04:13.160 let's, let's just see. Let's just see. Let's go to Don Lemon, the audio, Don Lemon on airing Trump

00:04:19.400 speeches. Now let's just see, this is politically charged and we'll take everything out of context.

00:04:24.260 So you got to calm down because you don't want things taken out of context. Go ahead.

00:04:29.800 Think about the despicable people we've had in history. Okay. Now I'm going to use an extreme

00:04:33.380 example. Um, think about Hitler. Think about any of those people. Would you say that that person is 0.72

00:04:40.200 allowed, or let's put it this way. If you could look back on in history, would you say, well,

00:04:46.140 I'm so glad that that person was allowed a platform so that they could spread their hate

00:04:52.300 and propaganda and lies? Or would you say that probably wasn't the right thing to do to spread

00:04:56.940 that because you knew in the moment that that was a bad person and they were doing bad things. Not

00:05:02.460 only were they hurting people, they were killing people. And so I just think that, well, I think

00:05:06.720 that the example matters and that's a very extreme example, uh, rhetoric that you don't like,

00:05:12.460 could it be a slippery slope towards violence and policy or detrimental to people? And it also,

00:05:17.340 it also, listen to people like me. So now he's comparing Donald Trump to Hitler, literally Hitler.

00:05:23.800 Would we give Hitler a platform? Why are we giving this guy a platform? First of all, uh, the German 0.99

00:05:29.820 people were not all that sold that this was a bad guy. Okay. Uh, and yes, I'm actually happy that,

00:05:38.260 uh, the New York times and time magazine and others gave him a platform. So we knew his words.

00:05:46.380 The problem I have was the journalist we sent over, just like the journalist from the New York times

00:05:52.560 that was sent over to Stalin said that he was a wonderful guy. So yeah, you probably shouldn't

00:06:00.160 have given him the New York times and time magazine, you know, saying how great he is. That's probably a

00:06:06.560 bad mistake. Um, but, uh, letting someone be heard. Yeah. I think that's what our first amendment is all

00:06:16.880 about. And I think the only way we stop people like Hitler is by knowing what he's saying. If we

00:06:24.280 wouldn't have read Mein Kampf, it would have been a little harder to spot him. Oh no, wait a minute. Wait

00:06:31.120 a minute. What is he saying again? Should we have published that book? Yes. I want to know what people

00:06:36.900 are thinking. I want to know the other side. I want, it does no good burying our heads, uh, in the sand

00:06:46.840 when it comes to evil. You need to know about it. So now he's called him, uh, now he's called him,

00:06:55.280 uh, a, uh, Hitler. Now he's called Trump Hitler. Okay. We got it. We are getting closer to the time.

00:07:05.460 Remember I said, this is 15 years ago. We're a long way away from a civil war. You'll know when we're

00:07:12.400 closer to a civil war when they just start beating each other in the Senate. Okay. That's what happened

00:07:17.980 before the last civil war. They just started going after each other in the Senate. Well,

00:07:23.660 we're starting to go there. I don't know if we have, do we have the audio from the view yesterday

00:07:28.380 from Megan McCain? Okay. Play this. This is a, an argument between Joy Behar, Megan McCain,

00:07:38.560 and Whoopi Goldberg. Listen to this. I explained because one of my producers this morning was

00:07:43.160 saying, why do people love him so much? And I was like, sometimes it's not just that they love Trump

00:07:46.660 so much. It's that they hate the same things Trump hates. That's what's going on as well. You mean

00:07:51.900 and immigrants? No, I mean, who do they hate? Who do they hate? You know what, Joy, I really come here

00:07:57.160 every day, open-minded, just trying to explain it. And it's not a fun job for me every day. But who do they hate?

00:08:02.460 I know you're angry. I get that you're angry that Trump's president, like a lot of people are. I'm

00:08:07.100 angry about every single thing he's doing. But I don't think yelling at me is going to fix the

00:08:11.400 problem. Okay? I just said that it was hard for me to watch. Yes. I just said it was hard for me

00:08:18.140 to watch Lindsey Graham, who I considered an uncle for a long time. But then you're talking about the

00:08:22.840 Trump supporters. 2020 is not in the bag for you. It's not. Okay, guys. Okay. Okay.

00:08:31.140 Okay. Okay. It's a great discussion. And we can go back to it. I just need everybody to take a

00:08:41.740 beat. But being a sacrificial Republican every day, I'm just trying to. Here's the thing. Don't feel

00:08:49.580 bad for me. I hate to do this. Okay? Don't feel bad for me. Before he headed to Florida. Hold on.

00:08:56.660 Stop. Stop. You hear that? Don't feel bad for me, bitch. To Whoopi Goldberg trying to calm 1.00

00:09:07.160 things down. And I completely side with Meghan McCain. Meghan McCain takes a beating every single 1.00

00:09:16.800 day. You don't win in that position. You are the token conservative. And they beat you every

00:09:26.260 single day. But when they can't hide it anymore. Now, this is also yesterday. Can we play? Did

00:09:38.940 we get the audio by any chance yet of the subcommittee hearing on the Constitution and civil rights and

00:09:47.900 civil liberties? Yesterday, they had HR 40 that they were debating. And it was the path to restorative

00:09:55.920 justice, which is a reparations bill. Now, I can think of a lot of things that would be helpful to

00:10:02.340 fix the country. Reparations is not on the list. But I want to play some of the audio of what happened

00:10:10.460 in this. We the temperature is being turned up. And, and yeah, Chuck Todd is right. And yes, Nancy Pelosi is

00:10:22.860 right. We should watch our words. We should watch our words. We should watch what we're doing to stir

00:10:29.220 things up. I'm giving you a warning here as a nation. Look how far we have advanced. These things would not

00:10:43.000 have happened a year ago. They certainly wouldn't have happened four years ago. Look what's, look what's

00:10:49.820 happening to us. Look where we are as a people. I'll give you that audio. Pretty remarkable audio

00:10:58.000 because they turn on their own again. I want to play just a little bit of this audio of a, of, of somebody

00:11:07.160 standing up who is testifying, who is a Democrat, who says reparations. This is crazy. What are we doing?

00:11:16.680 Now listen to his case. This is Coleman Hughes. He is a writer for Quillette, which is, is fantastic.

00:11:28.420 He came out and said this, listen. Nothing I'm about to say is meant to minimize the horror and brutality

00:11:36.020 of slavery and Jim Crow. Racism is a bloody stain on this country's history. And I consider our failure

00:11:43.840 to pay reparations directly to freed slaves after the Civil War to be one of the greatest injustices

00:11:50.240 ever perpetrated by the U.S. government. But I worry that our desire to fix the past compromises our

00:11:58.200 ability to fix the present. Think about what we're doing today. We're spending our time debating a bill

00:12:04.920 that mentions slavery 25 times, but incarceration only once in an era with no black slaves, but nearly

00:12:13.860 a million black prisoners. A bill that doesn't mention homicide once at a time when the Center for

00:12:20.480 Disease Control reports homicide as the number one cause of death for young black men. I'm not saying

00:12:27.580 that acknowledging history doesn't matter. It does. I'm saying there's a difference between

00:12:32.920 acknowledging history and allowing history to distract us from the problems we face today.

00:12:39.440 In 2008, the House of Representatives formally apologized for slavery and Jim Crow. In 2009,

00:12:46.420 the Senate did the same. Black people don't need another apology. We need safer neighborhoods 0.98

00:12:53.380 and better schools. We need a less punitive criminal justice system. We need affordable health care.

00:13:00.600 And none of these things can be achieved through reparations for slavery.

00:13:08.400 Nearly everyone close to me, nearly everyone close to me told me not to testify today.

00:13:14.020 They told me that even though I've only ever voted for Democrats, I'd be perceived as a Republican

00:13:19.020 and therefore hated by half the country. Others told me that by distancing myself from Republicans,

00:13:25.400 I would end up angering the other half of the country. And the sad truth is that they were both right. 1.00

00:13:31.840 That's how suspicious we've become of one another. That's how divided we are as a nation.

00:13:38.300 If we were to pay reparations today, we would only divide the country further,

00:13:45.360 making it harder to build the political coalitions required to solve the problems facing black people

00:13:51.000 today. We would insult many black Americans by putting a price on the suffering of their ancestors. 0.99

00:13:58.520 And we would turn the relationship between black Americans and white Americans from a coalition 0.79

00:14:03.780 into a transaction, from a union between citizens into a lawsuit between plaintiffs and defendants.

00:14:12.020 What we should do is pay reparations to black Americans who actually grew up under Jim Crow

00:14:18.240 and were directly harmed by second-class citizenship, people like my grandparents.

00:14:24.260 But paying reparations to all descendants of slaves is a mistake. Take me, for example.

00:14:29.680 I was born three decades after the end of Jim Crow into a privileged household in the suburbs.

00:14:37.400 I attend an Ivy League school. Yet I'm also descended from slaves who worked on Thomas Jefferson's

00:14:43.520 Monticello plantation. So reparations for slavery would allocate federal resources to me, but not to

00:14:51.220 an American with the wrong ancestry, even if that person is living paycheck to paycheck and working 1.00

00:14:57.480 multiple jobs to support a family. You might call that justice. I call it justice for the dead at the price of

00:15:06.140 justice for the living. I understand that reparations are about what people are owed, regardless of how well

00:15:13.360 they're doing. I understand that. But the people who are owed for slavery are no longer here. And we're not entitled to

00:15:21.400 reparations.

00:15:30.060 So the moment you give me reparations, you've made me into a victim without my consent. Not just that. You've made one third of

00:15:38.980 black Americans who poll against reparations into victims without their consent. And black Americans have fought you too long. 0.88

00:15:47.120 This guy is so solid. Don't agree with him necessarily on everything he says, but so rock solid.

00:15:55.780 So rock solid. Since when does the sin of the father get passed to the son? It's immoral. It's wrong. And he's right. It will

00:16:10.960 divide us even more. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:16:28.420 Arthur Herman, who has been one of my favorite historians for quite some time, and I'm going back and I'm reading

00:16:33.800 all of his back catalog. And it's just it's it's so fantastic. He's such a good storyteller and teaches

00:16:40.560 teaches history in a way I think it needs to be taught. He is, in my opinion, I don't know if anybody

00:16:48.260 knows who Daniel Boorstin is, but he was one of my favorite historians. He was the guy who was the head of

00:16:54.640 the Library of Congress, and I loved his Discoverer series. And and Arthur is the same kind of guy with

00:17:03.400 the with just just a gift for bringing history to life. Welcome to the program, Arthur. How are you?

00:17:11.420 I'm doing well. You know, I met Daniel Boorstin when I was a young scholar right after my first book,

00:17:16.980 The Idea of Decline in Western History was published. He invited me to lunch at the Cosmos Club,

00:17:23.240 as a matter of fact. And we met and talked about talked about various kinds of matters and writing

00:17:29.460 history. And in fact, the book, the How the Scots Invented the Modern World was really kind of

00:17:34.800 inspired by that conversation because we were talking about really said you should really do

00:17:39.240 a book on Adam Smith. And it planted a seed, which, you know, two years later, three years later,

00:17:45.320 really became the seeds of that. He was an amazing man. You know, it's funny, Arthur, that you would

00:17:51.320 you would say that that was the book that was born out of inspiration, because I I felt this way about

00:17:56.680 you with Daniel Boorstin for a while. But I happen to be reading How the Scots Changed the World

00:18:02.960 right now. I'm going through your your library, you know, your your back catalog, and I'm thoroughly

00:18:09.360 enjoying it. And it's very in some ways, it's very Daniel Boorstin. It is. And, you know, Boorstin

00:18:15.660 and at lunch explained to me how he wrote those books. Those books have, you know, the discoverers

00:18:22.080 and the others in that series really sprang from his reading of the philosopher Henri Bergson, the French

00:18:29.120 intuitive philosopher. And those all come out of the way in which Bergson talks about how we experience

00:18:37.280 the world through our senses, through our intuitions and through our connections with nature. So there's a

00:18:43.240 I don't have to go. I'm not going to walk your readers through the philosophy of Henri Bergson.

00:18:48.220 You can read about that and cave in light. But there was in other words, that wasn't just sort

00:18:52.040 of book titles like what am I going to write about next? That's the kind of intellectual that

00:18:55.840 Boorstin was. Yeah, he was great. He was great. So I wanted to get you on. I wanted to talk. We're

00:19:01.520 talking about reparations now in Congress, seriously having this debate. They were tearing each other

00:19:08.460 apart yesterday. People were booing, you know, blacks who were testifying and saying, no, I think this is

00:19:15.620 wrong and I'm a Democrat. And they were being booed. I haven't seen this level of vitriol and it gets

00:19:25.060 worse every day. You know, last night we had somebody on CNN, a host compared Donald Trump to Hitler.

00:19:32.100 Why are we giving this man any platform? Now, this is not a guest. This is a host. We wouldn't do that

00:19:39.020 to Hitler. Why are we doing it to him? You have Ocasio-Cortez comparing what we have happening

00:19:46.200 on our border to a Nazi concentration camp. And people like Chuck Todd are being hammered because

00:19:52.940 he said that this ridiculous. And are we can you give me a framework of where you think we are in

00:20:01.620 history? Have we been here before? Yeah, well, I think that, you know, this is this is a very strange

00:20:10.100 kind of development that you and I have talked about kind of where the country is right now. I think that

00:20:16.600 it would be good to mention that about four years ago, I wrote a piece that appeared on Fox Opinion

00:20:23.800 called America's Coming Civil War. And it was about what I felt was and I'm going to use a term that

00:20:29.900 you'll recognize, Glenn, because it comes out of that period just before 1860, that there was an

00:20:35.280 irrepressible conflict that was coming between those for whom the growth of government and of government

00:20:44.720 control versus those for whom government control required extracting resources, including money,

00:20:54.780 but also but also our own cultural identities as a conflict that could be as serious as the one that

00:21:03.820 broke out over slavery. And you were just talking very correctly about how what we saw there was that

00:21:10.460 the impossibility of finding any kind of clear middle ground between those two sides. That piece

00:21:19.120 went viral. There was a lot of criticism of what are you talking about? America, you know, America's

00:21:23.540 Civil War. I wrote a follow up piece after Barack Obama's inauguration because I sensed that the Obama

00:21:29.000 administration was and his reelection in 2012 was really a turning point in this discussion and what

00:21:37.120 was going to take place here. So with all of this, now everybody's talking about America's coming

00:21:42.260 Civil War. Everybody is debating these kinds of these kinds of questions about are we really reaching

00:21:49.680 an existential moment in terms of American identity? And I think what you see on the media and particularly

00:21:56.500 on the social media suggests that I was right, that that the Civil War may not come in terms of actual

00:22:04.500 violence, you know, we're not going to be fight refighting the Battle of Gettysburg. But I think we're moving

00:22:09.640 very quickly into a space where we're good, it's going to be harder and harder to find sensible compromise, even on

00:22:17.980 fundamental kinds of issues, which in the past would have been considered, you know, beyond politics.

00:22:25.140 Well, because we're not talking about but, but we're not really talking about those issues. We're, we're talking about

00:22:31.400 reparations. What, how does rep, in, on all of the problems that we face, the politicians always pick the

00:22:40.220 ones that are absolutely the most divisive, and with an exception of, I think, of abortion, the least

00:22:48.180 consequential at this point.

00:22:49.960 No, exactly. And this is, and reparations is a classic example, because you know, it's, it's never

00:22:55.720 going to become reality. You know, that this is simply done by the Democrats as a way to try and

00:23:02.060 increase the African American vote, which they sense disaster looming ahead in the 2020 election. And so

00:23:10.160 the scramble is on.

00:23:11.600 You really believe, you, you, you actually really believe that, that, that, that they're headed for a

00:23:16.900 disaster?

00:23:17.840 I, I do. Yeah, yeah, I do. And I think that, and I think that the, the disaster is reflected both in the

00:23:25.400 pathetic field of candidates that have come forward here, but also the kinds of issues that, that they're

00:23:32.700 reduced to addressing and putting out there in the hopes that they'll be able to collect votes. You know, 0.97

00:23:39.560 of course, what will happen is when Trump is reelected, there'll be all kinds of claims that

00:23:44.500 the election was stolen yet again. This is also part of the Democrat playing book now is, is that

00:23:51.020 any election that doesn't return a Democrat, and particularly a liberal Democrat, is illegitimate,

00:23:59.720 has been manipulated either by voter suppression or by collusion with foreign governments or some

00:24:08.000 other kind of underhanded means. This too works to undermine people's confidence in our institutions

00:24:13.540 on both sides of the aisle, Glenn. I mean, this is the other point too, is that the increase, the, the,

00:24:19.600 the hyper exaggerated rhetoric that we're getting out of the left also convinces those on the right

00:24:26.980 that there is no grounds for compromise. People are out of control. And that if, if they were somehow

00:24:32.880 to gain power, that we would be staring a proto-totalitarian state in the face, the equivalent

00:24:39.280 of, you know, Mao's cultural revolution is on the way. And whether that's true or not, the, the degree

00:24:44.980 to which the, the excessive rhetoric on the part of the left requires a, a, a equally exaggerated

00:24:53.780 response from many of the voices on the right is all pointing us towards the idea that this is a,

00:24:59.920 we're, we're, we're in dangerous, dangerous territory.

00:25:04.520 Arthur, I want to, I want to ask you a couple more questions as a, as a historian to be able to,

00:25:14.160 and I know this is almost impossible, to take yourself out of today and try to put yourself in

00:25:20.600 the future and look at what's, what's happening, uh, to us right now. And, and, uh, what the,

00:25:29.740 what the, you know, there's always these, these turning points. There's always these, these road

00:25:34.100 marks where, you know, you, it's the easiest place to find is in the Bible because they've summarized

00:25:40.340 civilizations into, you know, a chapter. And so you'll see this, this rise and fall of a civilization

00:25:47.460 and then the next rise and you're like, okay, well, they're going to get it right this time.

00:25:51.460 And then they, you know, they, they fall again and you're like, didn't you, all you had to do is

00:25:55.780 read the last chapter. Um, and I want to, I want to talk to you a little bit about some of the things

00:26:02.340 that you see, uh, that are road markers if, if you do. And I, and I also want to talk to you a little

00:26:09.800 bit about socialism and this, this growing state of technology and the silencing of voices. Have we

00:26:17.900 been here before? Uh, and, and what does it mean and what should we preserve back in a second with

00:26:24.380 Arthur Herman? He is a tremendous, tremendous author. And I think the, the, he's, he's my favorite

00:26:32.240 historian. Uh, and I can't believe he listens to this show cause I'm a little embarrassed, uh, you know,

00:26:37.580 to have somebody, somebody as good as history at history as he is listening to me blab on about it.

00:26:43.000 But, uh, we'll be back in just a second, one minute. We're back. So, um, we're with Arthur Herman

00:26:47.840 and, and, uh, I just read a new study and I'm going to go through this hopefully today. Um, the

00:26:53.820 overwhelming ratio of adults, uh, 12 to one say they prefer a nation with individual ownership of

00:27:01.280 private property and where all the property is owned and where none of the property is owned by the

00:27:06.720 government. That is 82 to seven, six to one ratio. Americans want a government that takes its

00:27:12.580 direction from the people rather than live in a nation where the population takes its direction

00:27:16.620 from the government. That's a, that's a margin of 76 to 12. Um, economically six Americans who want a

00:27:25.220 country featuring the prices of goods based on the free market for everyone who prefers the price of

00:27:30.300 goods determined by the government. That's 75 to 12. And yet overwhelmingly people say they support

00:27:35.900 socialism. This is a problem with history. We, nobody is educated. Nobody is really understands

00:27:44.280 history. Nobody even knows what socialism is or capitalism. The study found out that most people

00:27:49.780 don't even know what capitalism is. So Arthur, have we been this close to this where people are coming

00:28:01.000 out and saying who are in power? I want to destroy the free market system. And if they win, I think they

00:28:09.160 will. Have we been here before? Well, I don't know if we've been in this country here before. Uh, but if

00:28:16.400 you look at, uh, the experience in Europe, uh, between the world wars, and I'm not really so much thinking

00:28:22.320 about Nazi Germany because that's such a cliche and the differences are really profound. I think a better

00:28:28.700 model for thinking about where we are and where we could go if we're not really careful and begin to

00:28:34.520 take some, take some serious steps, uh, backwards to rethink the way in which political debates have

00:28:43.280 shaped up is France. You know, France, like the United States, you know, emerged from World War I as a,

00:28:52.100 uh, victorious power. It seemed that to, to the rest of the world that it was Europe's, uh, you know,

00:28:59.720 superpower on the continent of Europe, just as Britain was, uh, still a major superpower in a

00:29:06.380 global sense. Uh, and yet within, with the 1920s and 1930s, the French squandered everything that they 1.00

00:29:14.000 had achieved, uh, in fighting that war. And they became so politically divided, uh, over the,

00:29:20.460 between Marxism and the extreme right and a political establishment, which was, uh, too corrupt

00:29:28.580 and unable to address, uh, the most significant issues confronting France and Europe during those

00:29:36.100 years, that when in 1940, the German invasion came, uh, both the left and the right were so determined to

00:29:44.080 see the other side lose so they could say, I told you so. I said that you guys were, were leading us to a

00:29:50.200 disaster that they refused to unite. And so France collapsed. Wow. And their entire system of

00:29:56.100 government. Does this sound familiar at all, Glenn? Am I talking about a situation in which bears

00:30:01.560 amazing resemblance to, uh, to where we are today in many respects? You could, you could, you could see

00:30:08.980 that happening with China. You could see that really happening with Russia. Uh, I mean, you know,

00:30:15.060 we could have the, the, the, just the border, you could lose the country and there would be a lot of 0.99

00:30:22.800 people that would, would want to be right so bad that it would allow it to happen. Sure. And, you

00:30:29.640 know, and, and, and, and the French chamber of deputies at a time in which the Nazi war machine is

00:30:34.700 gearing up when the Spanish civil war is threatening to embroil the world in an ideological conflict. Um,

00:30:42.740 the big debate in the chamber of deputies was how many days of vacation should French workers get?

00:30:48.680 I mean, talk about, talk about the irrelevancy of an issue like reparations. And, and fortunately,

00:30:55.420 you know, there was a man, his name is Charles de Gaulle. And he came, he was able to be the man of the

00:31:00.800 hour who alone with everybody else in France had basically given up with the, the, the, the armistice,

00:31:08.800 basically handing France's fortunes over to, over to Hitler. Uh, he was the one who said, no,

00:31:15.860 France, France is going to continue to fight. Even if I have to do it entirely alone, uh, I will do so.

00:31:22.520 And what he managed to do was to save what was left of France's honor in World War II and to really

00:31:29.720 take upon himself the mission of saving his country from the disgrace and the humiliation and the

00:31:37.600 collapse that had gone through in the last two decades. And we always talk about Winston Churchill

00:31:41.820 and, you know, I've written about Churchill. I have a great admirer of his. De Gaulle, I think,

00:31:46.240 is a figure who we might want to think about looking at more closely. I wrote my first college paper on

00:31:52.280 him in 1971. And I've always been fascinated by De Gaulle. He got a bad press because, you know,

00:31:58.620 he pulled France out of NATO and, uh, chased out American bases in France, uh, during the 1960s,

00:32:06.480 during the cold war. But he was a man who looked at his country, saw the state of intellectual and

00:32:14.020 moral rot that had set in and said, you know what, there's more to France than this. And there's more

00:32:19.720 to my country. And I have a patriotism to which I will sacrifice my career and to which I will sacrifice

00:32:26.760 all of my resources, even if I have to do it alone. And it became a symbol of strength that, you know,

00:32:32.800 that really made him a revered figure, uh, a, a savior and, and really pulled France out of 0.97

00:32:39.560 the abyss that it was in. Thanks to, thanks to the Vichy episode.

00:32:46.900 This is the best of a Glenn Beck program.

00:32:56.760 Let me give you some, let me give you some, uh, illegal immigration stats. Okay. Now these are

00:33:04.620 just between 2011 and 2016, between 2011 and 2016, there have been more than 500,000 criminal offenses,

00:33:16.300 996 homicides done by illegals, 996 homicides, 59,200 assaults, 14,000 burglaries,

00:33:26.760 58,000 drug charges, 605 kidnappings, 36,000 thefts, 39,000 obstructing police, 3,000 robberies,

00:33:38.580 5,000 rapes, 7,000, uh, 7,000 weapons charges. That's just between the, the years 2011 and 2016

00:33:49.520 in Texas alone.

00:33:54.720 What are we doing? The flood of illegals into Texas is going to kill Texas. It's going to, 1.00

00:34:05.960 it is strangling these small cities, especially these little teeny cities on the border. They're not

00:34:12.720 getting any help from the federal government and people are coming hundreds a day. And what are

00:34:18.480 they supposed to do about it? Don McLaughlin, I've been trying to talk to him for about a week. He's

00:34:23.900 been up in Washington testifying. He is, he's really, uh, a little outspoken on this. And when you hear

00:34:31.060 his story of his town, what's happening in his town, uh, you'll see, you'll see why he's outspoken.

00:34:37.440 Welcome to the program. Uh, mayor McLaughlin, how are you? He dropped. Are we going to get him back on?

00:34:44.960 Uh, I heard him, uh, I heard him speak in front of, uh, Congress. And, uh, when you hear somebody who

00:34:52.300 is actually living this and you hear him talk about, I mean, all the, a lot of the people in his

00:34:59.840 town are Hispanic and they don't, they don't want this either. You know, this is not a race thing. 0.94

00:35:06.360 This isn't a phobia. This is a real problem. Mayor, welcome to the program. How are you, sir?

00:35:12.360 Good. Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity. How are you today?

00:35:15.900 Very good. I heard, I heard you, uh, I heard you speak, uh, I think it was to, uh, Horowitz on the,

00:35:22.920 on, uh, the blaze and, uh, your story is amazing. Can you tell me what's happening in your town?

00:35:28.960 Sure. What, what, uh, well, as we've been saying, the border patrol is just unindated with these

00:35:36.580 family units that are crossing the border. And the misconception that, that is out there is that

00:35:44.080 everybody thinks this is strictly just South Americans that are from Mexico and Guatemala and

00:35:49.020 Honduras and El Salvador. Well, it's 29 different countries are crossing the Southern border,

00:35:55.840 not just, not just from there. And they're coming from all over and it's just, they're coming in

00:36:03.100 family units and it's, the border patrol just slammed and these family units. So as they're

00:36:10.380 getting slammed, they're having to come out and start releasing these family units because they

00:36:14.520 have no place to put them. They, they're, they're at capacity and all their holding facilities.

00:36:19.180 And so they came to us in, in May and told us, Oh, we're going to start releasing, uh, uh,

00:36:26.900 immigrant families in your community. Uh, we're going to release them up here at the Stripes 1.00

00:36:31.440 convenience store or at your H-E-B or your Walmart. And we said, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. We, you know,

00:36:37.260 no, we're not, we're not set up to, to handle that. You know, it's not that we don't want to help

00:36:42.020 them. We're just, you know, we're a town of 17,000 people. We're just not, you know,

00:36:46.840 we're just not set up to handle that. And so how many a day, how many a day were they talking

00:36:51.580 and how many a day are actually coming? Well, when they first started, we were talking about

00:36:55.960 getting 10 to 20, then it went to 20 to 40. Uh, then we ended up, uh, up to date, we've got a hundred

00:37:04.220 and 122. We haven't got in the last week only because of the, only because the facility that we

00:37:11.420 have here in Uvalde is used for unaccompanied minors. And right now they are at capacity.

00:37:19.200 So many unaccompanied minors have come in the last week that they are full. They cannot process 1.00

00:37:25.220 any family units here in Uvalde now because so many unaccompanied minors have come across in the

00:37:30.300 last week. Now I've, I've heard you, I heard you talk about how, um, there's one family who won't,

00:37:38.420 won't, the kids won't go swimming unless dad is in the, in the back by the pool with a shotgun

00:37:43.580 because things are so crazy. Well, what's happening, what's happening in the border patrol

00:37:51.160 that usually, you know, is, is watching for the, you know, whether the, the coyotes that are bringing

00:37:57.160 the immigrants through or where this particular landowner is out by the train, by the train tracks,

00:38:03.480 his property is. And these immigrants get on these trains coming out of, out of, uh, Del Rio or Eagle 1.00

00:38:10.440 Pass or even Lareda. It's a, it's a main East and West, uh, railroad that comes through here.

00:38:16.340 And so they get on this train. And so the border patrol has a, uh, facility here where they stop

00:38:22.980 the train and check it for immigrants. Well, usually they have a pretty large contingency of border 0.57

00:38:28.720 patrol when they stop that train and check it. Well, they're so spread out and spread so thin now

00:38:33.660 with these family units that they're all doing that, that when they stop it, there may be anywhere

00:38:39.180 from 30 to 40 people on that train. And you got three border patrol agents trying to, to capture

00:38:45.420 all these immigrants and they don't have the manpower. Uh, since then, since this last incident, 1.00

00:38:51.300 we're, we're trying to fill in with, with our police department and the sheriff's department

00:38:55.020 when, when, when they ask for it. But what's happening is they're, they're jumping off this

00:39:00.260 train and running. And this particular landowner is, is starting to, it's been going on in his

00:39:06.460 property. He said for the last 60 days, but it just keeps getting worse and worse. And about a week

00:39:11.300 ago, he had one that jumped off or a group that jumped off and came to his property. And one particular

00:39:15.880 individual got real aggressive, uh, with him, uh, threatening and, uh, real aggressive. He did

00:39:22.780 everything he could to try to catch him and, and get him. They, uh, brought a helicopter out and

00:39:27.340 tried to find him and didn't, didn't find him. But the man threatened him and told him he was going

00:39:31.700 to come back and get him and different things. And he said he and his wife, you know, didn't sleep a

00:39:35.440 wink that night because the guy told him he was coming back that night to get him. And we didn't

00:39:39.780 catch him in town either. Uh, and we looked, but you know, and that's when he said it, that's when I was

00:39:46.040 talking to him, he said, you know, it's gotten so bad that my grandkids won't even come out to the

00:39:49.900 house and go swimming unless I sit out in the backyard with the shotgun. Cause we never know

00:39:53.700 when they're going to show up. It is. And you're, you're a town of, you're a town of 17,000. So

00:39:59.540 you're not a town that, you know, has Starsky and Hutch kind of car chases ever. Right? No, we,

00:40:06.460 uh, in, in, in, in the last 25 years, we've had maybe two car chases in the last two weeks. We've

00:40:15.300 had five, uh, two of them have bailed out in town where we've had to lock, put our schools

00:40:20.840 on lockdown. Uh, the first one, there were eight individuals. Uh, so they jumped out in

00:40:26.920 the middle of town right by our schools. So we had to lock all our schools down. We spent

00:40:31.460 most of the day. We caught those eight individuals. The other day we had four that jumped out of

00:40:37.060 a car. The lady that was, that was transporting them claimed that one of them had a gun and, uh, 0.96

00:40:43.500 that's why she was transporting them. The border patrol says that they don't think that was

00:40:46.760 probably true, but we didn't know, but we didn't catch those four. But again,

00:40:51.240 we had to put another school on lockdown because it was in close proximity to where they jumped out.

00:40:56.820 And we're seeing this more and more.

00:41:00.060 So, so, um, we're talking to mayor Don McLaughlin, um, border town here in Texas. That

00:41:07.920 is, and this story is not unique. It's happening, uh, where the people of the

00:41:13.440 town are paying a price. And Don, I've talked about the Bubba effect for a very long time

00:41:19.640 that the government just stops doing what it's supposed to do. And the people of the town,

00:41:28.600 you know, become really angry and start to take things in their own hands because

00:41:32.660 the government is not doing it. And I'm not saying that you're there or anything else and

00:41:36.880 God forbid we ever get there. But what is the attitude towards the federal government

00:41:42.440 from your citizens? Well, Republican and Democrat. Well, they're fed up with both sides because like

00:41:49.560 I said, like I said before, this isn't a Republican problem or a Democrat problem. It's an American

00:41:55.060 problem. It's an American people problem. I mean, it's both sides and both sides are, and people in

00:42:01.080 my community are fed up. They're, they're, they're frustrated with, with, with us as local government,

00:42:06.880 because we're having to use city funds and County funds. When they drop these immigrant families 1.00

00:42:12.900 off here in Uvalde, we're having to take them and we're having to pay for a bus to take them to San

00:42:18.320 Antone because we don't have the facilities to do it. So we're spending San Antonio.

00:42:23.760 Yeah, right. And San Antonio doesn't have the funding either. And San Antonio is dealing now,

00:42:29.080 as you said, these people are not coming from Guatemala. They're dealing with people coming 1.00

00:42:33.480 from the Congo, which is the Ebola hotspot and a place where ISIS has been recruiting lately.

00:42:40.940 I mean, we don't know who's coming in and bringing what into our communities and they're being dumped.

00:42:48.860 Well, I asked our federal, I asked, I sent all our elected officials an email when this first started

00:42:55.580 the other day, when in Del Rio, Texas, the first wave, 115, uh, immigrants from the Congo showed up

00:43:04.440 in Del Rio, Texas. I mean, if you look on the map and see where the Congo is, and then you look on

00:43:10.360 the map and see where Del Rio, Texas is, how did 115 Congolese get to Del Rio, Texas? Then two days

00:43:19.460 they got another, another 350 from Congolese. Right. And they also don't speak a word of English

00:43:26.740 or Spanish. How did they get here? How did they get here? And nobody can tell us that answer. 0.92

00:43:35.680 And we, like I said, up until, up until the last day or so, we have seen nothing from the federal

00:43:41.220 government. As far as any answers, any help, we've asked for help to get reimbursed. We've asked what

00:43:47.180 we're going to do. And until yesterday is the first time that we've seen any, anything that

00:43:52.120 there's been a bill to, to reimburse communities for the expenses they're out. I mean, Del Rio,

00:43:57.660 Texas, which is, which is 60 miles from us, they're getting unindated. I mean, they're getting 140 to

00:44:04.620 160 people released in their community every day. And before they got a coalition going,

00:44:10.800 they were just taking them and dropping them off at the local stripes. And it's not the border

00:44:14.480 patrol's fault because they're being told by their, by their, by Washington, this is what you're going

00:44:19.720 to do. I mean, our local border patrol in this area, they work with our communities. I mean,

00:44:25.260 they're, they're good people and they work hard. I mean, uh, but they're just, they're strapped.

00:44:32.340 Uh, I've only got about a minute left. Are, is, is the governor's office, is, is Texas doing

00:44:38.840 anything? Are they doing enough? Where are, where's, where's our leadership from Texas?

00:44:45.240 Well, you know, again, we're just starting to hear rumblings that, that, that the governor

00:44:50.440 is going to deploy more DPS troopers and that we haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen anything to

00:44:56.980 that effect. I was told that last night. I haven't seen any, anything in writing of that, but you know,

00:45:02.820 like I said, we, we have, we have written letters called to all our elected officials

00:45:09.380 and we're just not getting responses. We're just not getting, it's like it's falling on deaf ears.

00:45:15.800 That's amazing to me. Uh, Don, thank you so much. Um, and, uh, my best to your community and please

00:45:21.180 stay in touch with us. If there's any way we can help, or if you need to bring, shine a light onto

00:45:25.360 something, please let us know, uh, and we'll be there for you. I do appreciate the opportunity. Thank you.

00:45:31.160 You bet. Thank you. Mayor Don McLaughlin, the blaze radio network

00:45:36.120 on demand.

The Glenn Beck Program - June 20, 2019

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Arthur Herman & Mayor Don McLaughlin ｜ 6⧸20⧸19

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