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Glenn Beck travels to Australia to talk about the police beatings of construction workers, and a very personal message from the man who does all the overseas work on the Nazarene Fund. We also hear an update on the FBI, and the President's lawsuit against Big Tech.
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Hello, you sick, twisted freak. It's Monday. Great program for you. We go to Australia
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to talk just a wee little bit about the police beatings that seem to be happening on the street
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in Australia now. We also have some really important news about banking and what you
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should be concerned about, what you should be doing. A very personal message tucked in on the
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show today. We give you an update on the Nazarene Fund from the guy who is actually doing all the
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overseas work on it. We tell you a little bit about the FBI. We also tell you about the president's
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lawsuit. I mean, the former president, not this president. I'm wearing my lawsuit right now.
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We have his attorney on to talk about his lawsuit against big tech and Mike Pompeo all on today's
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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I don't know about you, but I've been trying to follow what's going on in Australia and I can't
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get any of the news stories to match the video. The the news stories say that it was a bunch of
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neo-Nazis dressed as construction workers and the police did no wrong, et cetera, et cetera. And that
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may be the story. However, the video I'm seeing, I am seeing a video of construction workers, you know,
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throwing bottles and everything else. But then I'm also seeing other videos where the police are just
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taking people off the streets and just beating them, you know, Birmingham style. It it's I don't know
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what the truth is. Avi Yemeni is the Australia Bureau chief for the Rebel News, a journalist in
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Australia that has been following this. Avi, welcome to the program. What the heck is happening?
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I know, it can sound very confusing. I think it's also confusing for Aussies that are here.
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But I for Rebel News was in amongst it from the beginning. And I can tell you right now, there's no
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Nazis there. It was the media really wants you to believe that and the unions want you to believe
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that. That's the narrative that makes it easy for them to avoid taking any responsibility. But
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essentially what happened in short is last week, there was a mandate. There's a mandate to be
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introduced for the construction industry. And as you can imagine, there's a lot of union members
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which feel like it's their union's job to represent and fight for their rights. That's essentially the
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one thing they pay membership for. So they decided to go outside the union headquarters,
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the construction, the construction union headquarters, and to speak to the union boss.
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Now, it was about nine hours outside that office. And the boss kept pushing off when he's going to come
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down and speak to his members until they gave an hour deadline. He'd said he was going to come down
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to talk to them. And suddenly, news hits this crowd, which ends up being by that point about 2,000
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members strong. Mostly 99% of them are construction workers union labor voters, labor voters, which are like
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Democrats. So certainly not far right Nazis. And suddenly the news hits the crowd that the boss is actually on
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the radio telling the audience, telling the state that it's just crazy far right extremist anti-vaxxers
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and he doesn't know what they want from them. So obviously, that didn't go down too well with the crowd.
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And that's where the violence actually started. Now, the videos you're seeing the next day and the
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following day was an escalation by certainly by the police. And you had once the rest of the members
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had seen that for the next day, you had probably 10 times that number roaming the streets.
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There was certainly violence on both sides. But having said that, you know, the police escalated
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to a point where they essentially turned their counterterrorism capabilities on the civilian
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population, on these construction workers. In short, in summary, I think the government
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overstepped it and picked on an industry that until now, they haven't done an industry that would fight
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back and did fight back immediately and is continuing to fight back until the previous 18 months,
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it's been, you know, 70 year old grandmas that they've been spraying in the face. And now,
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now it's certainly a part of the population that won't take it lying down. And we can see how that
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that is working. We're seeing those videos you're seeing is just capturing those moments. And so police
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are certainly coming in very hard to anyone. I want to show the video while we continue to have
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our conversation. There was some video that I saw last night of some people that were just pulled off
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the streets. They were walking down the street one side and the police come from across the street and
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just push this guy. Another one wings him down to the ground and they just start beating on him.
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Oh my God. Oh my God. This is a, this is a different one, but here's, here's the police
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Play the other, play the other clip, please. Can you play the other clip?
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So they're stopping anyone that obviously looks like a construction worker.
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Myself going for a walk, trying to get back to work. So you're here for a lawful reason?
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Lawful reasons always. The cops with the guns, just one of them looks at me, just sprints
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across the road and they just drop me all like five on top of me, just smashing me for no reason.
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Oh, just, just, just, just for being here basically. Yeah.
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Yeah, I live in South Melbourne. I've just walked here. My watch is still going 4.2 Ks.
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Stop for a second. That's the guy who was beaten, uh, down to the ground. You remember
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talking to him, Avi, the guy with the orange hat by any chance?
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Of course, he's a construction worker. And that's the story we're hearing from all these
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construction workers is that they're being targeted because essentially the government,
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when that, uh, escalated outside the headquarters, the, the government shut down the entire construction
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industry for what they said was going to be a snap two week, um, lockdown for that industry.
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Um, and so basically anyone walking around looking like a construction worker was fair game for
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the police. And there's been zero accountability. We've seen throughout this pandemic, the police,
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um, uh, I think they are above the law at the moment, um, with their new emergency powers.
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So if you look like a suspect, they will beat you and ask questions later.
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How are the people in Australia reacting to this? Are they buying into the Nazi thing?
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I think for the first 24 hours, yes, the, um, the government, the media, the, uh, union certainly,
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um, held the, had the narrative, uh, down pat, people believed it. Um, but to be fair, um,
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when people saw the rebel news story, where we actually interviewed, you know, everybody in that
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crowd, we were walking around just interviewing it and it became quite clear that they were union
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members. And the very next day they changed the way they spoke about the crowd. And suddenly they
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were talking about, um, you know, elements that were far right and far right provocateurs. I think
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that that was, uh, probably, uh, their way to blame me for this, for their issues. But the,
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the fact of the matter is, um, it, it very much was an organic, um, explosion of outrage, um,
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that they brought onto themselves and they have no one but themselves to blame. And I think, uh,
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the, the government misjudged it. It was, it was, uh, you know, they got away with it for,
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for 18 months in, in Melbourne. We've been in lockdown. We had the most lockdown city in the
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world, most lockdown with the harshest restriction and people have complied, but now they've taken
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on an industry which, you know, these are people that live paycheck to paycheck, take away that
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paycheck. Um, you've given them no other choice, but to stand up and, and fight for it.
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So, so, uh, what, what is coming towards Australia? Uh, common sense and, uh, a reversal of these
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things or chaos? Um, it's a, it's a tough question. You know what the last, uh, the last week certainly
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indicates chaos is coming and, uh, I'm hoping at the end of it, whether it's chaos or, or it's settled
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straight away. I'm hoping common sense is what does prevail. Well, I saw the, um, the video of
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the police running into the city park, firing into the backs of people, you know, rubber bullets,
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but they were still firing rubber bullets into the backs of people as they were running away from
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the police. I don't think I've ever seen that. Listen, I've been in war zones and some of the stuff
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I'm seeing here in Melbourne. Um, I, I just cannot believe my eyes. I've, I've, I was covering a, a, a, a
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peaceful march of those construction workers and they were literally walking, you know, probably a
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thousand strong walking, um, peacefully marching, you know, chanting. And out of nowhere, these
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armed, you know, vehicles that you see at the front lines of a battlefield suddenly confronts
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them and counter-terrorism police run out of the vehicle and start firing indiscriminately into the
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crowd and firing tear gas, throwing tear gas canisters. It's just, it's, it's incredible. And
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to think that, you know, all these tools that they've been given over the last few years in the
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name of, you know, counter-terrorism is now being used on the people, the people that funded it to
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protect themselves through their taxes. Um, it's, it's scary. And it makes you think all the things
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that they're passing now, um, under the guise of public health, what is it going to be used for
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next? Just like they, they're using, they're misusing and abusing counter-terrorism things.
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It's, it's, it's, it's an eye-opener and people need to wake up.
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From Rebel News in Australia, Avi Yemeni, uh, Avi, thank you so much. Please stay in touch with us
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because we can't, we can't make heads or tails from it here.
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Anytime, mate. Thank you. You bet. Rebel News, you can follow Rebel News,
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This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. And we really want to thank you for listening.
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The guy who is running the operations for the Nazarene fund overseas, this particular, um,
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rescue operation over in Afghanistan, I think is the Oscar Schindler of this moment. His new,
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his name is Rudy Atala. Um, and he is, um, he's working 22 hours a day, every day. I don't know
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how he's keeping up with everything. And every time you try to talk to him, he's got 14 different,
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uh, crises that he's, he's trying to work through. Uh, thank you for spending a couple of minutes with
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this, Rudy. I know you're busy. God bless. God bless. Thank you, Glenn. Um, much appreciated.
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Um, so I wanted to, I wanted to see if you could give us any kind of update on what is happening
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overseas and when, what we're able to do, or if there's anything. Uh, yeah, well, uh, we're on
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rescue operations are still ongoing. Um, it's, things are not moving at the same pace as before
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the Taliban is, uh, is taking control and trying on one side to show that it is a legitimate
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government. Um, and then on the other side, of course, it continues to do all the things that,
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uh, you know, we know the Taliban does, uh, lopping off of hands and, and hanging people,
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killing people, raiding people. Um, so we've, we've been operating in this environment,
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trying to be extremely careful, but we, uh, continue to, uh, to find Americans. We continue
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to find people that need our help. And then, uh, in that process, uh, we haven't stopped
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getting people out of the country. It's just gotten a little bit slower than before.
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And it's not like we're going around looking for them. There's many still in safe houses
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or can you say we, yes, we, they're, they're scattered in safe houses in various regions
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and areas. Uh, we talk to them directly. And then, uh, when we get, when we get names,
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we're very careful at taking names and getting, uh, solid information. We do our own vetting
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process on the backside, uh, of these individuals. We make sure that we, we are, they're tied to
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other individuals, people that we know of or have heard of. So we do our due diligence. Um,
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and then once we get, because the Taliban's trying to infiltrate many, uh, chat groups,
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many, uh, you know, organizations that are trying to, are doing similar things. Um, so I'm extremely
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careful with my guys on how and who we rescue, just making sure that, uh, what we're doing is proper.
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Sure. And did you see the political article that came out this weekend? Rudy? I did. I did. It was
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saying that the FBI is going around and if this is true, and I just don't know what to believe
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because of the justice department today, but I agree with what they say their mission is. And that
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is to go onto all of these groups and make sure that nobody's ripping people off that nobody's,
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you know, human smuggling, uh, et cetera, et cetera.
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One, 100%. And I think it's necessary to do so. Um, unfortunately we have a lot of groups and
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organizations that jump into these things, you know, out of the goodness of their heart, trying
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to do the right thing. But there are a lot of, uh, steps that need to be taken. The first thing I did
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is when we started this, uh, this whole rescue operation, as I reached out to our legal team that,
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uh, that specializes in working with the office of foreign asset control or OFAC.
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And I, I sat on the phone with three lawyers and I said, please advise OFAC, um, what we're doing
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and how we're doing it. So we went through multiple iterations of that and we are covered by OFAC. I
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made sure that OFAC knew exactly what we were doing, who we were dealing with, how we were moving
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money. Uh, the official answer for me from our lawyers basically said that OFAC officials have
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indicated that they would not take, uh, they would take a non-enforcement posture with respect to, uh,
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anybody dealing with evacuations currently out of Afghanistan, but we have to be careful where the
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money goes to and who it goes to. So that's another end where I work closely with our finance team
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to make sure that every single dollar that we move is going to an entity that's well known. It's,
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you know, that there's nothing nefarious going on there and everything is reported. So
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we are above board, but we're, we're one of the few organizations that has done that. Um, I've done
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this in, in Syria when we operated there, I've done this in other countries and I'm very particular
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about this, this area, um, and just making sure that all our T's are crossed and all our I's are
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dotted for every reason. I mean, the last thing we want is DOJ breathing down our throats for doing
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something stupid. You were, you were in charge of the Somalia evac for the government, weren't you?
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I, I was not the person in charge, but I did work the Somalia evacuations in 92, 93. Correct. Yes.
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And what other ones have you worked? I've worked, uh, Liberia. I've worked, uh, Ivory coast. I've
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worked on, um, you know, on, uh, Sudan. So you've, you've seen these many times up close and personal.
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How does this one, how does this one compare to ones that you've seen before?
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I would say compared, compared to what I've seen, this one was an utter disaster. I mean,
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it's on a, it's on a, on a scale never seen before, because normally when you do a non-combatant
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evacuation or a NEO, it's fairly well, um, again, organized because the delegation goes to
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the department of defense essentially to take in the right measures because you're, you're basically
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the, the, a country goes into almost a chaotic stage or combat zone and the department of defense
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steps in and has very specific measures and what they do and how they do it. And they work closely
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with the state department. In this case, everything was flipped upside down. It was, it, it was the
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state department and the driver's seat and the department of defense had already pulled out.
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It, it was backwards. And, and this is why we got into the, the, the mess that we're in today.
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And now we're still picking up the pieces. And I unfortunately feel like we're going to be
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picking up the pieces for many years to come. Um, this political article says one person familiar
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with the call said the FBI doesn't want groups offering bribes or paying the Taliban to evacuate
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people from Afghanistan. As those practices raise human trafficking concerns. Further, this congressional
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person said one of the groups that received a call was Glenn Beck's Nazarene fund. Beck has brought
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attention to his organization's activity, praising Pakistani prime minister, Emron Khan on Twitter
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for acting on his willingness to assist. Nazarene fund didn't respond for a comment. Um, what are
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they, what are they saying here? That we're mixing two, they're mixing two things. So we never,
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ever, ever get into any bribes or paying anybody again. Uh, any, every single penny that we, we spend
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or pay somebody, we make sure that our OFAC lawyers know, and that we're above board. The, the,
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the Imran Khan piece was very, it was necessary. When we looked regionally for people that can
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influence the Taliban without money. Um, the only regional actor that was able to do that as Pakistan,
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essentially, if you go to like, you know, you have different Gulf countries and other countries
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countries that are dumping money on the Taliban, we stepped away from those countries. The only
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country, the only country that did not offer or does not offer any bribes or money is, is, is Pakistan.
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And they carry a big stick. Now, a lot of people feel uncomfortable with Pakistan because of, of its,
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of its past. But unfortunately, the way things have unfolded, there's no, no other real big actor in the
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region. The state department and our government did not leave us any choices of, of, you know,
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they're not helping us in any way, uh, move people. So what we did is we simply asked, um, you know,
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through channels, proper channels, uh, for Imran Khan to see if he can weigh in and allow the Taliban to allow
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our people to go. But there was no money exchange. There was nothing. It was simply a letter to letter
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verbal. You addressed it on air and that, that was it. And they made a few phone calls and certain
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things happened. And then we were able to get people out. And in many, in our case, you know,
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we've been able to get very high at risk people. We've already gotten, uh, the leaders of the
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underground church out of Afghanistan. We've gotten, wait, wait, wait, that's an, that's an announcement.
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I knew that. Can you make that, can you clarify what that was? This is, this is a big deal.
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Yes. I mean, there are, there are leaders, there are leaders of the underground church,
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Christian church that were in stuck in Afghanistan. And we, uh, you know, we, with through proper
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channels, we were able to get them out without them being whisked away. And, you know, uh, all the
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promises that the Taliban wanted to catch these people and burn them and their families alive
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publicly. Uh, thank God they're out of, out of harm's way. And, uh, you know, we worked hard to do
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that. But again, you had, we had to use diplomatic channels to pull these people out. We, I mean,
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there are Americans we pulled out, we promised to Britain, we got Americans out. We've gotten,
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we've gotten at risk women out and, um, it took a lot of effort. And there are things that we could
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not talk about at the time that it was happening because it was extremely sensitive. Um, everything
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we've done has been above board. Um, and we've never, you know, there's, there's nothing hidden.
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There's nothing, uh, in terms of, you know, back payments or whatever, none of that happens.
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Yeah. Um, you know, the, I, uh, as a member of the board, I know that we have been very, very clear,
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nothing, even the appearance of anything that is, that is not right. We want to stay a million miles
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away from, from any of that. Um, and just, uh, trust in God that, uh, he'll make things happen.
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Um, one more thing, Rudy, I heard this weekend and this is going to embarrass you, but it, it shouldn't.
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Um, uh, I've heard that you are unwilling to take any salary for what you're doing. Is that true?
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Yes, sir. It is true. That is, first of all, you got married, what, I think six days into it. You
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haven't, you've barely even seen your, literally barely even seen your wife, uh, and you just got
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married. Um, and now you won't take it with salary. Why? Well, it's the proper thing to do. First of all,
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I I'm, I'm blessed that I have a wife that's very understanding. She said, just go do what you need
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to do. And when the dust settles, then we'll just go out on a honeymoon. And she's been awesome and
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very supportive, but I'm not taking a salary because I feel like if I was in people's shoes
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on the other side, I would want somebody to reach out to me. And yeah, I, you know, I grew up as a,
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as a, as a Christian in Lebanon. I was a persecuted Christian. I know what it's like to be on the other
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side of the fence. And for me, it's personal. I want to make sure that, you know, the people that we
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help, uh, are people, uh, you know, that, that, that, uh, you know, we're helping desperate people.
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I always cling to Proverbs 24, 11, you know, the Bible is very clear about helping those who are
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stumbling to death or to the slaughter. And, uh, you know, from my heart, all I want to do is,
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is just, is rescue as many people as I can. And, you know, given the fact that you and I are tied
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together and your listeners are so generous, we were able to, to do some great, great work. And
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I think we still have a lot of great work to do and, and I'm, I'm willing to put everything on the
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line for it. You're a good man, Rudy. You're a very, very good man. We're blessed to have you
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working with us. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you for everything. God bless. I would ask that you
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would keep that man in your prayers. And if you would like to donate, we could still use your
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financial help. Uh, Nazarene fund, the Nazarene fund.org or mercury one. The best of the Glenn Beck
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program. Former CIA director, uh, former U S secretary of state and chairman of CAV PAC.
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And also the co-chair of the national Republican redistricting trust. Mike Pompeo is with us,
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Mike, you'd really need to get a resume. Uh, great to be with you. Good to be with you,
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sir. Um, thank you for coming on. I want to talk to you about redistricting, but I have to ask you
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a question on a story that broke yesterday, uh, from Michael Isikoff. So take it for what it's worth.
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That says that the gist of the article, you were so obsessed with Julian Assange and WikiLeaks
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that you and the president were looking at really aggressive methods, including kidnapping or an
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assassination. One scenario included a possible shootout with Russian agents who you believed
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were going to try to get Assange for themselves. Uh, Glenn, I've seen the piece. I knew they were
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writing on this thing. Uh, I'd say three things. First of all, it's, it's a cough we we've seen.
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Are you as a big Russia hoax perpetrator? Yep. He was. Yeah. So, so take, take that for what it's
00:26:41.460
worth. Second. Uh, there are many stories out there now about how the president and I were
00:26:45.800
engaged in things that were crazy, right? There's just talk about that. There was an effort to drop a
00:26:50.360
nuclear weapon on China in the last week's administration. This story is of that same
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ilk, right? Just, I couldn't tell you who they have as their sources, but those sources didn't
00:26:58.840
know what we were doing. And then the third point I guess, Glenn, is we were, we were very worried
00:27:04.120
about the fact that we had bad actors who, who are stealing really, really sensitive material from
00:27:09.060
the United States. And I, I make no apologies for the fact that we and the administration were
00:27:13.900
working diligently to make sure that we were able to protect this important, sensitive
00:27:18.580
information from whether it was cyber actors in Russia or the Chinese military or anyone
00:27:23.860
who was trying to take this information away from us, not just commercial stuff like intellectual
00:27:27.600
property theft, but real national security secrets. And so we were working hard to go after those
00:27:34.940
So was Assange and WikiLeaks, are they, uh, are they journalists in a media outlet or, uh, or
00:27:43.460
So I came to believe that they were in fact that one of the first non-state hostile intelligence
00:27:49.660
entities. They weren't engaged in even crappy reporting like Isikoff does. They were, they
00:27:54.800
were engaged in active, active efforts to, uh, steal secrets themselves and pay others to
00:28:01.700
do the same in a way that violated, uh, but the central understandings that I think the American
00:28:06.340
people get and second violated U S law as well. We, we were always careful. Um, I'm all about
00:28:12.720
a big, bold, strong first amendment, but these folks were acting in ways that were deeply inconsistent
00:28:17.180
Okay. They're redistricting now. Um, and these last for 10 years, uh, as the draw the district
00:28:25.060
lines in 2021 and 2022, they'll be in place for 10 years. And that's how we elect officials.
00:28:32.400
Uh, and it's embarrassing the way they snake, uh, through, uh, uh, districts. Quite honestly,
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um, you, you are coordinating the national redistricting strategy for the Republicans.
00:28:46.220
Tell me what you're doing and why it's so important.
00:28:49.300
So Glenn, the last time we did this now coming on 10 years ago, the Republican party went, uh,
00:28:54.760
full hibernation mode. We, we just, we played victim. We screamed at the Democrats for behaving
00:29:00.260
badly and then suffered the consequences of this where they drew maps that just couldn't
00:29:04.520
get conservatives and Republicans to win. So my view is enough. I want to crush them.
00:29:10.120
I want to make sure we get fair maps every place we go. We look, we've seen what happens
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when Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer in charge with a Democrat president of the white house
00:29:17.720
these last eight months, we have to make sure these maps are right and fair. And I want,
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I want state elected officials who in the end get to make these decisions, Republican state
00:29:26.360
elected officials to say, no, we're going to be serious about this. This is a decade long
00:29:30.220
decision we're making. And if the Democrats threatened to sue, bring it on. We're going
00:29:34.640
to make sure we have fair maps and we're going to provide the resources and intellectual firepower
00:29:38.740
to help those state elected officials litigate against these Democrats. It's a program on the
00:29:43.720
other side run by Barack Obama and Eric Holder. Not said they're really the one running the show.
00:29:50.080
Aren't they in Barack Obama and his people really running everything now on this redistricting
00:29:57.320
effort? It's very clear. President Obama has gone out and fought for maps that if you showed them
00:30:01.420
to the average American, regardless of the party, they'd say that's crazy. They're deeply unfair.
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They don't reflect what Glenn, you and I know, right? One, one person, one vote, right? They're
00:30:11.340
just, they're just fundamentally indecent. And so what we can't do is complain and whine and do
00:30:16.180
nothing. We have to, we have to articulate our vision and then go out and fight and crush and
00:30:21.020
never give an inch and fight these battles and win them and get fair maps for so that we can get
00:30:24.440
conservatives elected. You know, I don't know if you know this, but, uh, uh, John Adams and Thomas
00:30:29.400
Jefferson towards the end of their lives, uh, they were corresponding with one another and, um, they
00:30:35.160
said, you know, this is going to fail. And they said, yes, the other one, yes, but the people will see
00:30:40.000
what we were trying to do. And the other one said, we should have put more Leviticus in it.
00:30:44.000
And apparently what they were talking, what they were talking about was the idea of stakes
00:30:50.300
that districts should just be blocks of, you know, 500 or a thousand people and they should
00:30:57.380
just be blocks. And those blocks just keep breaking up, uh, as the population gets more and more dense,
00:31:04.540
that would stop all of this, wouldn't it? It would. I'm familiar with that debate. Uh, they went
00:31:10.840
at it, uh, hammer and tong for sure. They got a Senate that was represented by States. And then
00:31:16.320
the, you know, the deal to allow equal representation for the population of the house
00:31:20.720
represents, there were big fights about this. Here's what we know today, today, not only Democrats
00:31:25.740
and progressives, but even the courts have permitted these districts to be drawn in ways
00:31:29.640
that are partisan and that reflect the worst of factions that those very founders were trying to
00:31:35.920
stop. We, we, we shouldn't do that. We should go back to a more traditional set of understandings.
00:31:40.920
Uh, they, they create the Democrats create these commissions that have this veneer of non-partisanship.
00:31:45.860
They'll put five Democrats and two Republicans on the commission. We get rolled. We just can't let
00:31:50.200
that happen. Uh, we cannot let them draw districts, not just by the way, not just at the federal level,
00:31:54.820
but county commission districts, state legislative districts, these things all matter for a decade.
00:31:59.800
I'm convinced Glenn that with fair maps, conservative voices will be heard and we'll have good
00:32:04.840
things happen all across America. This is why we have people like Nancy Pelosi in because the
00:32:10.820
districts are so crazy that they don't represent the, the, the truth. They represent, uh, a line
00:32:21.420
really that snakes around to try to capture the people they want to capture. And so the districts
00:32:29.280
become more and more extreme, even if that district is not extreme. Do I have that right?
00:32:36.260
Absolutely. You absolutely have it right. Take a look at what's going on in California where they
00:32:39.940
control the state legislature and that governorship. They're going to draw out a couple of members of
00:32:46.100
Congress, or at least they're contemplating it who won in close races last year. They'll make it
00:32:50.720
nearly impossible for them to continue to serve and frankly, to reflect the values of the people that
00:32:56.360
they've been tasked to represent. They'll make these liberal districts. They'll make them 55,
00:33:00.560
45 Democrat, and, uh, they will try as they might to hang on to this little bit of power because in
00:33:06.980
the end, Glenn, it's all about power for the progressives. And we have to make sure that these
00:33:11.020
fair maps prevent that from happening for another decade. Is how much does the, uh, census play a
00:33:17.360
role in this? Uh, it's a big deal. It obviously drives the data set that gets used in litigation and
00:33:23.820
for state legislators to make their decisions. So, you know, the fact that there were questionable
00:33:28.100
outcomes from this past census, uh, certainly concerns me. Can you go into that? Cause I don't
00:33:32.920
think most people paid attention. That happened when everybody was talking about the election.
00:33:37.400
Well, there are two things. One, there was a big court case, uh, Secretary Ross had filed a court case.
00:33:43.120
There's a lot of argument that says that the constitution only intended citizens to be counted as part of
00:33:48.440
the census. We were unsuccessful at that. So now you have census decisions. That is how many members
00:33:53.600
of Congress, one state gets decided on how many people are there, even if they're here illegally.
00:33:59.200
Uh, and then the second thing, uh, the timing of the release of the census and the contents of the
00:34:04.840
census, uh, were all in the end controlled by the Democrats. And this will, this will make it easier
00:34:10.780
for Democrats. And that's why the work that we're engaged in is even so much more important.
00:34:15.140
So, um, what do you need from people? Anything?
00:34:18.960
No, just, uh, we need them to encourage their state elected officials, their state assemblymen,
00:34:23.420
their state delegates, their state representatives, their state senators, get a backbone, be tough.
00:34:28.040
Don't give in. Don't just say, Oh goodness, this won't happen. This won't affect me. It affects
00:34:31.840
every family all across America. Make sure that we're watching what's going on in this redistrict.
00:34:37.700
If they see it coming off the rails in their state to raise the flag and we will come to provide
00:34:43.080
the support they need to get fair maps so they can actually make sure their vote matters.
00:34:46.700
Mike, can I ask you two questions to jobs you used to have? One, uh, I don't, I don't know if I
00:34:53.700
trust, I don't know what to trust anymore. I don't trust our justice department. I don't trust our
00:35:01.400
intelligence community anymore. Is it, can you talk me off the ledge or should I be on this ledge?
00:35:09.920
So here's my, here's my best. And I, I'll speak for the organization I ran. I, I, I saw what
00:35:16.640
happened to the FBI. It became deeply politicized. I also saw that there was risk that happening at
00:35:21.860
the other intelligence organizations, including the one that I ran at CIA. I, my predecessor was
00:35:26.360
a fellow named John Brennan. He brought real politics into how they did analysis of the data
00:35:31.620
that was collected. My, my second observation is most of the folks who work at the CIA, good people,
00:35:36.440
a lot of ex-military folks, a significant piece of them. These are people who are trying to do their
00:35:41.700
jobs, execute on behalf of America, make sure we have good info for our decision makers. But if the
00:35:46.560
political leadership is corrupted, if the people who are appointed and the people who are confirmed
00:35:50.500
decide to drive politics down into whether it's the justice department or the FBI or any
00:35:55.960
intelligence agency, this is where it comes unhinged. We saw that at the FBI. We've seen in the
00:36:01.360
Department of Education, Civil Rights Division. We've seen it. We want, we want good people with
00:36:06.060
sound values leading those. And it's why these elections ultimately matter because the people
00:36:09.820
presidents put around them drive into those systems and processes.
00:36:14.600
And people ask me, because we were involved over in Afghanistan, people have asked me, Glenn,
00:36:20.560
is the State Department, why would they intentionally thwart all of these things? And I answer the same
00:36:28.460
way that I believe there are good people in the State Department. In fact, I know there are because
00:36:32.140
there are some people that are helping, but they're at the lower levels. On the other, I can't give you
00:36:39.920
an answer other than, you know, if it was incompetence, occasionally things would break in America's
00:36:50.500
No, this is policy. These are decisions that President Biden and his senior team made in
00:36:57.620
Afghanistan. And I'll pause there for a second to say, bless you for the work you're doing,
00:37:00.980
helping folks get out, helping Americans get out, helping those who we made promise to get out.
00:37:08.940
A handful of groups doing it. I know, you know, this is a handful of other groups doing it, too.
00:37:12.200
We should all figure out how to work together. We are.
00:37:14.680
Get folks out as quickly and as capable as that. So bless you and stay in that fight.
00:37:18.860
Thank you. But you've you've run into it. You've run to a senior State Department levels where
00:37:22.640
they just need a clearance to fly or they just need a single piece of paper well within
00:37:26.840
the full capacity of the State Department to deliver. And there is a down on from high decision
00:37:33.020
not to do that. I can't explain it. I also can't articulate why they made the set of decisions they
00:37:38.900
did around closing programs, pulling the military out before the civilians. These are unexplainable.
00:37:44.020
And I think they they drive to a deeper misunderstanding of who we are as Americans.
00:37:48.860
Mike, thank you very much. We'd love to have you on again. We really I'm a big fan and
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I really appreciate it. God bless you. Thank you. Mike Pompeo.