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00:00:00.000 hey stew hi glenn what a great show today for the podcast don't you think that is very very true yeah

00:00:08.340 yeah can you tell me one thing that happened on the podcast that you're excited about stew

00:00:12.740 you talked about

00:00:14.620 it was kind of a theme the whole the whole show do you even listen to this show i listen to a show

00:00:22.980 it's just i have my headphones on listening to a different podcast while you're doing the show

00:00:26.440 well you you're you're very little involvement today uh it fits strangely wow uh we were talking

00:00:33.760 about authoritarianism uh and it is growing out of control tonight at nine o'clock on blaze tv

00:00:39.180 i'm doing a special on um something that's coming out of the white house now it's it came from the

00:00:45.900 nationalist uh national security uh council and it is how to combat extremism and it is terrifying

00:00:53.920 terrifying but we talked to tom fitton who has been looking into uh january 6th what is going on

00:01:00.940 how wait a minute the fbi used the airlines they used bank of america they got information on

00:01:08.180 thousands of americans just because they were in washington dc that day that's absolutely

00:01:14.920 unconstitutional but wait there's more also today is the day that ben shapiro's book

00:01:20.280 the authoritarian moment uh has uh come out and we have ben shapiro to talk about it all

00:01:27.320 authoritarianism all the time on today's podcast and do you have a program coming up tonight glenn

00:01:32.800 i do i bet it's gonna be pretty good people should watch it huh right after a brand new

00:01:40.140 stew does america that's all he says i'll show today i pretty much blaze tv.com slash glenn

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00:02:03.380 welcome uh to mr pat gray we want to talk a little bit about the hearing yesterday in washington dc

00:02:11.380 which um i have a really very difficult time uh could we please play adam schiff i have a problem

00:02:21.340 with adam schiff even being on this committee or even being in congress at this point but here he is

00:02:28.420 with all of the credibility on what january 6 was really all about better the next time god help us

00:02:35.860 and if we're so driven by bigotry and hate that we attack our fellow citizens as traitors

00:02:41.700 pat if they're born in another country or they don't look like us sorry i'm so emotional

00:02:47.980 he's actually crying here is he yeah is he squeezing out the tears

00:02:56.380 and god help us god help us exactly i have faith

00:03:02.920 because of folks like you yeah okay so he has faith because of oh my people like there are

00:03:11.980 testifying yesterday are you okay i'm not i'm not that does not look okay it's too emotional so

00:03:18.400 do you know that they actually moved barricades

00:03:22.180 okay okay hang on just a second

00:03:28.180 a podium a podium was taken

00:03:31.060 don't take our podiums please by all that is good right and holy

00:03:39.360 there's a lot of absconding going on uh here's the here here's the thing first of all i think

00:03:52.100 both sides are in a state of delusion um and i think because everybody has whipped everybody up

00:03:58.820 into a frenzy and it's not when i say everybody's whipped up no really only the media and the

00:04:04.460 politicians in washington have whipped everybody up by calling this the worst attack on on american

00:04:12.880 institutions since the civil war is so ridiculous we all i was horrified my wife was horrified everyone

00:04:24.760 i know was horrified while this was going on we were horrified that we're like where's the president

00:04:31.200 where's the president why isn't the president coming out we were horrified that he didn't

00:04:34.900 immediately get on and say stop it we don't do this stop it okay that's true now this is from the

00:04:43.580 group of people who also were horrified that nobody in seattle nobody in portland nobody in the rest of

00:04:51.380 the country it seems actually stood up in their own cities and said stop it right now when it comes to

00:04:57.800 antifa now they're trying to prosecute and persecute anyone anyone who voted for trump because of what

00:05:08.360 honestly maybe let's let's get i'll give you the benefit of the doubt maybe 200 people did i think

00:05:16.060 there were probably 50 that were committed to it and the rest were hapless dupes that just followed in

00:05:23.820 and got tied into it and some people just you know caught up in the emotion got very angry and

00:05:28.220 committed crimes committed crimes and they should go to jail yeah or or be fined i mean a lot of them

00:05:33.780 were again absconding with a podium might not necessarily i'm sorry pat i didn't mean to bring

00:05:41.660 you back to that place wow i'm sorry dark dark place all i can think of is the guy with the podium

00:05:51.700 under his arm walking through the rotunda

00:05:55.100 you know the reason why these guys care so much is because it happened to them for the first time

00:06:02.620 right it happened to them yeah they're not small business owners they're not they're not worried

00:06:07.860 about the police being defunded nobody's defunding the police in washington dc no imagine if those

00:06:14.260 people did that to the capitol and then the rest of america said you know what we need to do

00:06:21.840 defund the police in washington dc imagine how those people in the capitol would feel that's exactly

00:06:28.100 what they have been encouraging for the rest of america yeah if there's a defund the capitol police

00:06:33.940 movement right now maybe we could take them seriously on their other claims but they don't

00:06:37.640 care if people in minneapolis die because the police don't show up they don't care it's got

00:06:42.100 nothing to do with it nope they don't care at all and you know this remember during the george

00:06:48.020 floyd riots places all over washington dc were on fire like there was all sorts of violence that

00:06:54.760 happened times when that was going on in the same place it wasn't directly at them so they didn't

00:07:00.180 care about it yep yep yep yep yep absolutely every time there was one guy uh that actually

00:07:07.620 um said the truth i don't think he noticed that he was saying the truth can you play uh the uh the

00:07:14.720 police officer i don't remember which one he is yeah that one listen to this they had marching orders

00:07:19.940 so to say um when he's saying when people feel emboldened by people in power they they assume that

00:07:29.080 they're right like the the one of the scariest things about january 6th is that the people that

00:07:36.380 were there even to this day think that they were right they think that they were right and that that

00:07:42.800 makes for a scary recipe for for the future of this country i know ask seattle ask portland

00:07:49.200 ask chicago ask any place in america where defund the police ask the people in minneapolis

00:07:56.100 do they feel that they were wrong they were emboldened by the system by the uh local community

00:08:04.720 by the mayors by the city council now by the president they were emboldened when they were

00:08:10.660 being bailed out by our now vice president jeez i mean think of that yeah think of that

00:08:16.760 donald trump hasn't provided bail for any of these people kamala harris provided bail

00:08:23.120 for people in antifa and minneapolis and all over the country and some of whom were attacking

00:08:30.240 federal buildings yes so yeah i don't i don't think that police officer really understood what he said

00:08:36.460 and from the beginning of the hearing yesterday benny thompson the i guess he's the chair of the

00:08:43.320 committee yeah uh started out by saying we are here to deal only in fact we will only deal in fact

00:08:50.580 and the first thing he did was lie about how many people died seven people seven people seven people

00:08:56.780 seven people that's that's sick nick we know sick nick died and they lied about that as well

00:09:03.060 they said he was beaten to death uh well he died as a result of the injuries incurred in the riot

00:09:08.820 yeah no oh yeah he must have the day after he must have he had two strokes he had two strokes

00:09:15.900 yeah but doctors say that those strokes were certainly caught on by the yeah they did say

00:09:21.180 tied to the events right no they didn't know they came out and said it did not say that corner said

00:09:26.340 the opposite this was a ticking time bomb would have happened anyway i thought in the in that report

00:09:32.040 they said that while it was a stroke it was look it up look it up i think i remember the corner

00:09:38.160 almost positive yeah i am too the corner did not blame yeah but regardless it was not a traditional

00:09:43.520 how you think of a traditional like you know david uh was it david dorn who died in the in the

00:09:49.080 riots the police officer retired police officer he was shot that that's how you that's how you think

00:09:54.240 of death yes in a riot right like you beat over the head with a with a fire extinguisher there were no

00:09:59.540 injuries that caused sick nick's death maybe blood pressure i mean he had he had high blood pressure

00:10:06.360 because of the event that that's about as good as you can get that's about as good as you can get

00:10:10.760 then two officers died by suicide afterward in the following week yeah okay you can't blame that

00:10:17.700 on the you can't blame that on the how do you blame that on the riot right a protester was shot

00:10:22.580 by police two press protesters suffered fatal heart attacks and another uh died of a suspected drug

00:10:30.460 overdose yeah the only person actually killed as a result of what was going on was actually ashley

00:10:36.740 babbitt yeah that's it yeah uh yep and she shouldn't have been there no she shouldn't have

00:10:42.500 been there that's right but i and i i i feel bad for her i feel bad for her family but she shouldn't

00:10:47.700 have been there and and you know she knew a gun was pointed at her and climbed through a barricaded

00:10:53.540 building i mean like it's true it's go through the the the you know the justified shootings that

00:11:00.880 have happened and we've talked about on the air from police officers to african americans and

00:11:05.080 communities like this one was worse by her actions was worse than many of those that were justified

00:11:12.080 i mean like this is i i don't know how that became this like cause celeb among some conservatives where

00:11:18.420 we're supposed to say that police officers are not allowed to shoot people who are going through

00:11:22.840 barricades in the middle of an ongoing riot inside the capitol building like i i don't i don't understand

00:11:29.140 that particular point of view all that well especially when we have i think correctly argued over and over

00:11:34.680 again if you go and you're charging at an officer uh they have the right to shoot you right like we've

00:11:40.600 how many how many videos have we talked about where the left is coming out and saying no they should

00:11:45.860 have just let that girl stab the other girl and they shouldn't have done anything i mean that's the

00:11:50.200 left's arguments constantly and for whatever reason that has surrounded this particular case they did

00:11:54.940 you know look she did something that i'm you know i i feel bad about because i don't want people to die

00:12:00.700 but that is the officer in that case i believe acted in a justifiable manner that being said it's

00:12:07.300 tragic and but it also supports what conservatives say which is like this this was the one death that

00:12:14.880 occurred in this riot there's another like there's a woman it's terrible a woman who's in the middle of

00:12:21.100 all this wound up having health problems collapsed on the ground and was basically trampled while she

00:12:27.080 was having some sort of heart heart attack attack that's a terrible terrible story however it is not

00:12:34.160 justified either it's a it's a terrible thing to say oh well this many people died right like okay

00:12:41.320 yes she did die in the in the incident but it had nothing but it was not like murderous people came up

00:12:47.140 and tried to kill like that was not what happened here was in the way they mean it yes exactly no one

00:12:52.220 died in the way they mean it yeah i think that's a that's a that's an appropriate yeah because ashley

00:12:58.500 babbitt that's that's not their example of what went wrong one of the protesters that they didn't

00:13:03.500 like that shouldn't have been there died so right like nobody died defending it nobody died in congress

00:13:09.780 nothing happened in that way like if you were to say a mass shooting occurred and one person died it was

00:13:15.400 the shooter yeah right like that would not that's not how they would summarize that story that's how

00:13:20.280 they're summarizing it here they would have said injured and uh only one fatality and it was the

00:13:25.640 shooter right and so look look i again it was it a good incident no but like you know as we were

00:13:31.760 talking about this a little bit before we went on the air there are some people on the right very few

00:13:36.320 who are basically saying it was nothing it was just i think this is honestly this is where i started

00:13:41.380 that's coming from it's pushback it's pushback it's like how dare you say that right because on the

00:13:47.780 other side the media has been telling us for a very long time that this was the civil war just

00:13:53.120 like with the voting stuff they say it's jim crow 2.0 everything's the most extreme thing that's ever

00:13:57.040 happened and it's like it is closer to nothing than it is to the civil war no question it's not a

00:14:03.660 controversial or 9-11 or 9-11 people are just sick of this romney romney might have been

00:14:11.660 genghis khan romney was the worst ever that's right he was going to be so draconian he would be so

00:14:19.140 anti uh democrats are you kidding me he practically is he is a democrat he is a democrat so everybody

00:14:29.200 everybody they they play this nuclear card every time every single time let me tell you this is how

00:14:36.560 this is going to end it's going to end with nothing except an impression going to be a big impression

00:14:41.320 but it will be played again there's going to be something because they history is not you know

00:14:48.180 people say history always repeats itself let me say it differently history is repeating itself this is

00:14:54.340 exactly like the black tom event uh which which pierced and broke every window in lower manhattan

00:15:02.080 it it's the reason we can't go up into the torch anymore uh of the statue of liberty because the

00:15:07.820 explosion was so big it actually broke the arm of the statue of liberty uh and woodrow wilson

00:15:15.180 knew exactly what it was everybody who was involved knew what it was it was german terrorism they came

00:15:21.640 over here to blow up the munitions that we were sending to the allies and for world war uh one they

00:15:27.400 couldn't have those munitions come so they blew them up just in new jersey it destroyed so much it was

00:15:34.000 a big big deal woodrow wilson said it was the capitalists that did it and then it was just brushed

00:15:39.400 aside for a while and we're looking into it we're looking into it but nothing really happened and then

00:15:45.360 when fdr needed to round up the japanese he used that fear and said we've just found out

00:15:52.620 what happened in like 1916 we just found out what happened with black tom and it was the germans and

00:16:01.040 if the germans can do that the japanese will do it here so we've got to act on this now this is just

00:16:07.980 the predecessor of something bigger that is coming and they are building the foundation thank you so much

00:16:14.780 the best of the blend back program axios calls this guy the fcc's 5g crusader he has led the fcc's work

00:16:29.300 to modernize the infrastructure rules and accelerate the build out of high-speed networks his reforms have

00:16:37.000 cut billions of dollars in red tape and enabled the private sector to build these high-speed networks

00:16:43.760 in communicate in communities all across the country and extend america's global leadership in 5g

00:16:49.840 uh unfortunately i don't think there's a lot of people uh in in washington at least with this

00:16:56.620 administration that want to see america win the 5g race that's a topic for another uh broadcast his name

00:17:05.100 is brendan carr and he is an fcc commissioner uh and we we need good commissioners on the fcc

00:17:13.100 ajit pai has uh left brendan how are you i'm doing great really good to join you thanks for

00:17:19.300 having me thank you thank you um you are suggesting something and i think this i don't know if it started

00:17:26.540 with you or who it started with i know that um uh marco rubio has been talking about restoring the

00:17:33.560 internet to cuba and there is a way we can do this but it requires the government and google to

00:17:40.920 participate correct yeah some of that is right so you know look in cuba we're seeing unprecedented

00:17:47.220 protests and what we see around the globe now is the first thing people do when they take to the

00:17:51.560 street to fight for liberty is they take out their smartphone they take pictures they take video

00:17:56.280 because the thing that brutal dictatorships like least is the attention of the world correct

00:18:00.980 spotlight on their brutality so we've seen this in iran we've seen it in venezuela we've seen it in

00:18:07.400 myanmar so the first thing that people do is they take their phone out the first thing the

00:18:11.160 dictators do is they shut down the internet now they don't cut the internet entirely because that

00:18:15.340 would cut off their own communications they block access to whatsapp and facebook and messaging

00:18:20.600 services so those pictures and videos can't get out there so what i said what others have said like

00:18:25.820 you mentioned senator rubio uh governor de santis is we should look for ways to restore internet

00:18:31.620 services to cuba which would help to accelerate the ultimate uh destination of the brutal cuban

00:18:39.480 regime which is its end and there's two ways we can do it we can introduce new services new internet

00:18:44.700 services from off island that can take some time there's some logistical challenges to be sure

00:18:49.400 but we have the technical capacity to do that and track two is we should bolster support for

00:18:54.660 circumvention tools so that people can continue to use the internet services on the island and just get

00:19:00.200 around the filtering which by the way the filtering has all the digital fingerprints of the communist

00:19:05.080 regime of china so they are very much involved in helping cuba shut down internet services and it

00:19:10.860 didn't facebook and everybody else they did this in egypt they did this for the arab spring they they

00:19:17.660 actually helped foment that revolution uh and uh and made sure that people knew how to use it and gain

00:19:25.940 access to it now it doesn't see is anybody have you heard of any high tech i mean the big high tech

00:19:32.500 are any of them saying we got to join in and help these people it's been pretty quiet from what i've

00:19:38.620 seen you know former secretary pompeo sent out a tweet a week or so ago saying that uh the government

00:19:43.940 and others went in in iran and helped bolster internet services during the protest there i mean we have the

00:19:50.900 technical capacity to do it and it's simply a question of do we have the political will at the

00:19:55.420 highest levels of this administration to green light uh these efforts if we do that american

00:20:00.820 enterprises can deliver these solutions to the cuban people and show our uh support for them and

00:20:06.980 and president biden initially came out with some positive words we're going to look at this but it's

00:20:11.100 over two weeks and we haven't seen any action at this point and you know i'm very concerned that we're

00:20:16.580 not going to see action so you know this is just a question of political will it's not a question of

00:20:21.500 can we do it yeah um and is project loon which was a google project i believe in kenya uh which sends

00:20:31.180 this like uh you know the tennis court sized uh tower up over the country way above where airplanes are

00:20:42.960 flying and it just kind of hovers there and kind of acts as a as a receiver to to pass that message

00:20:51.040 along easily we could probably do it with two of these things because florida is so close do i have

00:20:57.600 that right you're exactly you're exactly right so this is what i call that track one idea which is

00:21:02.620 how do we introduce new services into cuba from off island and there's a variety of technological ways

00:21:08.100 you can do it and you put your finger on one of them uh google loon had this operation where

00:21:12.340 they put up stratospheric balloons these go 60 to 75 000 feet above the air you can actually keep

00:21:19.120 them relatively static over a geographic area given the way that the winds circulate at those levels

00:21:24.720 i've been to kenya myself to see this technology in action it works we at the fcc authorized this

00:21:30.840 technology in 2017 after a hurricane wiped out communications in puerto rico seven to eight of

00:21:35.980 these balloons went up circled around puerto rico and helped beam services into that uh that that

00:21:42.260 that community and we saw it in peru after some natural disasters these balloons went up there's

00:21:46.940 other technologies we could beam wi-fi off of the u.s embassy in havana uh previously we had inserted

00:21:53.340 uh satellite powered internet devices into cuba the advantage of these high altitude balloons as you

00:21:59.420 point out as you can stay in international airspace and beam directly from the the balloon

00:22:04.640 to a handset back from the handset to the balloon and to your point given the geographic distance to

00:22:11.160 marathon or or the keys you can beam right from the balloon back to the internet in the u.s so that's

00:22:17.040 the advantage of the balloon and frankly we need it now in cuba but we also need this i think as a

00:22:22.240 strategic capability for this country we've always had you know radio free asia radio marty that

00:22:28.280 broadcast into cuba the modern day equivalent of broadcasting uh information into countries that

00:22:34.480 aren't free is to enable the free unfiltered use of the internet in those countries so i think we

00:22:39.520 need this as a long-term strategic capability as well it's a lot better than obviously putting

00:22:43.660 putting troops on the ground as well sure uh and it's uh i mean with the way things are going quite

00:22:48.720 honestly we might need one for you know suppression here in america uh it what what is being done is

00:22:56.640 is craziness craziness this is this is amazing i mean look we cannot be speaking out of both sides

00:23:02.880 of our mouth at the one at the one point we're saying brutal regimes like cuba you can't filter

00:23:08.020 you can't censor the internet at the same time that we have uh this white house jen saki out there

00:23:13.060 saying oh yeah we've been coordinating with big tech to censor american speech we can't do that

00:23:18.600 we need to be very clear that we believe in a free open uncensored internet for our own american

00:23:24.100 people here and for other people abroad and so i think we should go forward and whether it's

00:23:28.340 through legislation or otherwise make very clear that government officials should not be calling up

00:23:32.740 big tech companies and asking them to put a thumb on the scale against speech they don't like because

00:23:38.240 let's get real it's not about misinformation it's not about disinformation it's about political speech

00:23:43.320 that doesn't fit the narrative of the people that are bombing in with these phone calls is it is it

00:23:48.960 possible to privately do this i mean you know we can just this audience and that's not involving

00:23:55.880 the cuban uh population in america we could fund that privately i doubt google would take our check

00:24:05.160 but is there a way to do this privately well on the track one stuff so google shuttered uh loon

00:24:12.660 in the beginning of the year because it wasn't a great commercial product people weren't going to drop

00:24:15.960 you know verizon or uh or at&t for these balloon services but i think as a strategic capability for

00:24:21.820 the country the commercial viability is less of a concern but the track two stuff we talked about

00:24:26.480 which is the circumvention tools there's a lot of open source applications out there that the cuban

00:24:31.360 people are using right now those technologies need additional funding and we're not talking you know

00:24:35.880 billions of dollars we're talking one to three to six million dollars so there are some efforts

00:24:40.320 underway to try to use private sector funding uh to bolster these technologies i can't endorse any

00:24:46.180 one particular you know company or direct people towards those crowdfunding sites given um you know

00:24:50.800 limits on me as a government official but there are private sector ways that people could donate money

00:24:54.780 so that these circumvention tools continue to work and the people of cuba can continue to get those

00:24:59.760 pictures and videos out to the world you know i uh i loved uh jeep pi and i've done this i've done

00:25:06.200 broadcast for 45 years and i can't even remember a name of a of an fcc chairman before um uh maybe i did

00:25:14.880 during reagan uh but uh jeep was amazing and i thought we were headed in the right direction with

00:25:21.280 the fcc under donald trump um and now it looks like you guys are the only one standing between uh real

00:25:31.460 freedom of the internet uh and uh net neutrality because it's back isn't it it is you know look uh

00:25:40.700 president uh biden issued a quote-unquote competition executive order a week or so ago

00:25:45.260 and it included a direction basically to us at the fcc to go back to obama era uh net neutrality rules

00:25:53.020 the reality is you know 2015 2016 america had flatlined in terms of our build out of high-speed

00:26:01.040 internet infrastructure including cell sites in 2016 we had something like 708 new cell sites go

00:26:06.460 up in this country um after we engage in reforms under you know ajid's leadership and me working

00:26:11.320 with him uh we had uh 46 000 new cell sites go in in 2019 so a 65-fold increase because we got

00:26:19.800 you know all that regulatory red tape uh out of the way so i'm very concerned that we're going to go back

00:26:24.780 to this obama era approach and it's it's as if they don't understand the real threat to a free and

00:26:29.840 open internet today it's not coming from the isps we don't have net neutrality today uh at least under

00:26:34.660 their conception of it and we don't see blocking and throttling by isps but we do see is blocking

00:26:39.860 and censorship by big tech and if you really care about a free and open internet the problem you need

00:26:45.260 to tackle today is a censorship happening by facebook by twitter by these providers not by the isp

00:26:51.680 how how uh close are we to really being a leader in 5g compared to i can't remember the name of huawei

00:27:00.060 i mean we are in the fight of our life with huawei you know we made we were behind again 2015 2016

00:27:08.360 people were basically counting the u.s out uh but when we modernized our infrastructure rules because

00:27:14.180 it had been costing too much and took too long to build infrastructure for the internet here

00:27:18.120 uh things boomed and we leapfrog ahead of many many countries and we now have the strongest

00:27:24.780 5g platform in the world if you don't have it in your particular community uh the data may be

00:27:30.020 meaningless to you but the data does show us that we're doing well but i am concerned that we are not

00:27:35.160 going to continue to keep the pedal down when it comes to allowing new internet infrastructure bills

00:27:39.900 when it comes to uh getting the spectrum out there that we need to power these 5g services so

00:27:44.640 the good news is we made great progress we're in good shape right now but i'm worried that we're

00:27:50.200 going to let off the gas and then you know china's going to take advantage of that um elon musk's

00:27:54.540 satellite service is amazing absolutely amazing is is this what do you think of that business does that

00:28:05.080 have a future far as um uh litigation is there anything that can shut him down on this

00:28:11.460 this is a really interesting technology and i was just out in washington state visiting

00:28:16.280 the manufacturing plant where they make these low earth orbit satellites and the idea is that you

00:28:21.980 can put these you know satellites up hundreds of them and they're going to get you almost sort of

00:28:27.660 fiber-like uh speeds anywhere uh almost anywhere in the globe and we are pretty hopeful we're not

00:28:34.720 putting all our eggs in that basket we're looking at other technologies other ways to bridge the

00:28:38.200 digital divide uh but we think this could be a good technology we've authorized them we've funded

00:28:42.540 them uh in terms of building out in areas where um they're sort of rural and remote so it could be a

00:28:49.520 game changer um we'll see it hasn't quite gone uh to scale yet just it just isn't there as a timeline

00:28:54.620 they're still building it out but we're hopeful that it's gonna be a key part of bridging the digital

00:28:58.340 divide brendan carr the fcc commissioner it is uh it's good to talk to you and uh please let us know

00:29:06.800 uh about any threats to our constitutional uh protected rights to free speech and petitioning

00:29:14.880 our government uh we need good guys on the inside that are alerting because there's just so much

00:29:21.680 going on that nobody can pay attention uh to all of it thank you so much brendan appreciate it thanks

00:29:28.380 you bet you can follow him at brendan carr fcc or find him at fcc.gov brendan carr the fcc

00:29:35.180 commissioner um i think this is something that we really need to pursue i think the project loon

00:29:41.160 is a really real i don't know why i mean i think we should be speaking up and asking uh congressmen

00:29:49.760 and senators like rubio how can we help you what do we need to do to get the government to

00:29:57.380 approve that we've already done it before why are we not doing it for cuba

00:30:03.380 this is the best of the glenn beck program and we really want to thank you for listening

00:30:11.180 mr ben shapiro is uh joining us he is uh he is the intellectual powerhouse of the right now and

00:30:27.440 been a friend for many many years and i respect him and he is the one guy who writes a lot of books

00:30:35.140 that i will always read his books because they are always really well thought out um intellectually

00:30:42.220 solid and uh never go for cheap shots mr ben shapiro how are you sir hey doing okay how are you

00:30:49.900 i'm good i'm good i'm excited i haven't read your new book but i've heard you talk about it an awful

00:30:54.820 lot i listened to your podcast when was it last night uh when you were doing the book signings

00:31:00.120 uh and and i wanted to actually take you through some of the things that you played some of these uh

00:31:06.320 authoritarian moments as we go but first give the setup of the book what are you talking about in it

00:31:12.940 so basically the book begins with looking at january 6th which the left has declared is the

00:31:18.420 authoritarian moment in modern american history that the democracy is on the verge of over being

00:31:22.700 of being overthrown that that donald trump is this great authoritarian figure and that the right is

00:31:27.760 the true threat to american freedom and then i asked people to analyze you know what exactly happened

00:31:32.760 on january 6th and beyond because what really happened is that a breakaway group a much larger group

00:31:38.260 committed criminal activity they were all arrested they're all going to go to jail and within three

00:31:43.720 hours order had been restored and the government went on as though nothing had happened then in the

00:31:48.960 immediate aftermath of that aws amazon web services de-platform parlor completely most major democrats

00:31:54.840 started calling for significant curbs on first amendment freedoms you started to see neutral

00:31:59.120 service providers talking about cracking down on quote-unquote extremism donald trump was thrown

00:32:03.100 off all the social media platforms corporations started to put out statements basically suggesting that

00:32:08.620 you had to mirror particular political viewpoints on january 6th or corporations said we're just not going

00:32:14.000 to give donations to anybody who questioned the the results of the election even though they would

00:32:18.480 certainly not be the same with democrats so the question is if you're talking about actual

00:32:22.340 authoritarian threats then who's actually threatening right who are the institutions that are threatening

00:32:27.800 and i think most americans instinctively know the answer and the answer is not you know the idiot

00:32:33.000 who invaded the capitol building the people who are a true threat to your way of life right now

00:32:37.100 are the people at the head of every major institution ranging from the scientific institutions to

00:32:41.480 the educational institutions to your corporate bosses and they have the power to really wreck their life

00:32:47.100 in some pretty significant ways even outside of the offices of government you know we have been

00:32:51.020 pretty close to this point before with woodrow wilson um but you can excuse the american people

00:32:57.020 at the time to some degree because uh authoritarianism was this new idea and with the with the um

00:33:06.080 progressives using science uh and saying look it's a whole new age you know we came from farmers and now

00:33:12.880 we're in the scientific age and anything is possible you can kind of dismiss it but what joe biden is doing

00:33:18.760 right now a lot of this really comes from the woodrow wilson playbook and i think it's just as racist and

00:33:26.700 just as nasty as when he was doing it i mean i think that when joe biden goes around saying

00:33:33.700 knowing full well that he's lying that voter id laws are akin to jim crow racism yeah or that what

00:33:38.360 happened on january 6th is the worst insurrection that we've seen in the united states since the civil war

00:33:42.820 or that republicans broad writ are are just trying to return us to the days of the civil war i mean

00:33:47.960 this kind of stuff is extremely ugly it's extremely divisive it is the opposite of what he promised

00:33:52.320 that he was going to be when he became president right which is this sort of unifying moderate figure

00:33:56.960 he's not been any of of those things i think what makes what's going on truly unjustifiable

00:34:01.540 is not just that we've seen the consequences of this sort of activity before it's that at least

00:34:05.820 you can say that during woodrow wilson's administration we were in the middle of a world

00:34:09.320 war and during fdr's administration we're in the middle of another world war right now we are involved

00:34:14.160 in zero major wars anywhere around the world we're the unchallenged global hegemon and yet we're

00:34:18.460 tearing ourselves apart internally going after dissenters which is kind of a unique thing oh i think

00:34:22.460 we are at war we the america is at war but it's at war with itself i mean it's it's completely lost its

00:34:28.880 way um because we've had people teaching our children for a while now uh that we're a horrible

00:34:35.680 horrible place and i don't know if people are buying it or not i mean they usually buy these

00:34:41.100 things i want to take you to one of the uh authoritarian moments this is from 1933 it's a uh

00:34:46.840 it's a parade tell me why this is important in september 1933 the government sponsored a spectacular

00:34:54.680 parade of new york's fifth avenue to promote an unprecedented federal effort the national recovery

00:35:01.760 administration roosevelt called the nra a partnership in planning between government and industry

00:35:09.820 its goal to speed recovery by establishing profit levels for business and wage levels for labor

00:35:16.920 in a show of national solidarity more than two million employers across the country

00:35:23.420 promised to abide by the nra codes russia hails victory in moscow's red square during her mayday

00:35:29.840 parade above we'll get to that other clip in a minute uh so tell me why that parade was important

00:35:36.720 so the journal goldberg talks a lot about this in liberal fascism but the the sort of economically

00:35:42.300 fascist system was reliance on private businesses being overseen and working in cahoots with big

00:35:49.220 government and big government would essentially charter these industries and then tell them what

00:35:52.620 to do and industrial magnets said well i guess it's better than the communists and then they would go

00:35:56.620 along with it well the national recovery administration was an effort overtly by the federal government

00:36:00.360 to force businesses into doing what they want and you were supposed to put a symbol up in your window

00:36:04.560 the blue eagle you're supposed to put it up in your window and americans were literally supposed to

00:36:09.380 boycott businesses that didn't put the blue eagle in their window well i think that we can see

00:36:13.900 some pretty resonant echoes of that today in modern american politics when you have the government

00:36:18.500 members of the democratic party calling on corporations social media companies for example

00:36:22.320 to do their bidding and then suggesting that perhaps you know maybe there needs to be an astroturf

00:36:26.600 boycott of particular businesses if they refuse to do that bidding we saw the results of this one

00:36:31.120 when major league baseball just pulled out of georgia for example we're talking to ben shapiro author of

00:36:35.200 the brand new book that's out today the authoritarian moment um i think it's even more clear um with esg

00:36:42.340 scores i mean this is the government getting into bed with uh global corporations banks now providing

00:36:49.780 a esg score and if you're not playing ball with the government and with uh you know the environmentalist

00:36:56.860 and social justice members your score will go down and in europe they're now proposing that you cannot

00:37:03.060 do business with any business that has a lower esg score than you do yeah i mean you see it also in

00:37:10.680 places like california that have attempted to actually pass laws leveraging people onto boards

00:37:15.180 of corporations if your corporation is large enough then we now have to put a certain number of people

00:37:19.840 of particular races or sexual orientations on the board of the corporation this is this is truly

00:37:24.440 totalitarian stuff and what's even more totalitarian in effect is that the corporations then shovel this

00:37:29.900 garbage down on the people who work for the corporation so it's easy you know glenn you're

00:37:34.600 you're able to speak freely because that's what you do for a living i'm able to do it because that's

00:37:37.720 what i do for a living they can threaten our livings but they're never going to be able to take

00:37:40.580 away all of our livings we have too many people who are interested in hearing what we have to say

00:37:43.860 but if you're just a guy working in a corporation it's very easy for the corporation to get you to

00:37:48.280 mirror their prescriptions because you got to put food on the table for your family well that's the

00:37:51.980 thing that i like about um this book is you're not just coming with the problems you actually have

00:37:56.420 the solution and and uh i think the way you have phrased this is really appealing i've been talking

00:38:02.160 about martin luther king i hate boycotts and i know you do too stew does but martin luther king says

00:38:08.960 if we wouldn't have done the boycott if we wouldn't had the teeth it it wouldn't have worked we wouldn't

00:38:13.920 have had the civil rights act passed uh and they are coming after us and we just keep taking it and we

00:38:20.520 don't come after any of the companies that are shoveling this crap explain your position on this

00:38:26.760 so i'm i'm with you i hate boycotts i mean i'm in an industry where you and i are routinely hit by

00:38:32.380 people trying to go after our advertisers right but here's the reality there has to be a mutually

00:38:37.220 assured destruction here if these corporations are only caving to one side there's a tremendous

00:38:41.340 asymmetry you'll see a corporation that receives 10 tweets and then you'll get a call from your ad

00:38:46.080 broker saying well they've removed their advertising because they got 10 tweets and the answer to that

00:38:49.860 isn't oh well you know they're private business they can do what they want they can but they can

00:38:53.620 also feel the blowback from the other side and so what we've done at our company for example is we've

00:38:58.340 said to advertisers openly quite openly that if you want to advertise on our show you're you can pull

00:39:03.500 your advertising anytime you want but you you're not allowed to announce it publicly if you do announce

00:39:07.580 it publicly you're going to have to pass out and not only that you understand that if you make a

00:39:11.220 public statement about our shows or our audience we'll go to war with you i mean this is we cannot we

00:39:16.600 stake our brand value in in you know dealing with advertisers that we believe in and you don't get

00:39:22.980 to just undercut us that way with our own audience without us blowing back on you and and i think that

00:39:27.040 broadly speaking that's what the right needs to do at this point if you're going to see mlb pull out of

00:39:32.040 atlanta then they need to feel it in the ratings if nfl starts to go woke they need to feel it in the

00:39:36.060 ratings because i would prefer that we go back to neutrality but we're never getting back to neutrality unless

00:39:40.360 the left learns that this stuff is bad and this this really is important you talk about this with

00:39:45.280 um uh offices you know so many people just feel they're alone and they're not alone they're in

00:39:52.300 the majority but nobody's afraid everybody's afraid to say something and you don't know who to trust and

00:39:58.880 so they just go in and they abide by these stupid things that they have to do you know examine their

00:40:05.960 whiteness at coca-cola etc etc and you're suggesting that they form a coalition right i mean this is what

00:40:15.940 we have to understand about how these institutions weren't left in the first place it wasn't because

00:40:19.380 the broad majority of these institutions in favor of these radical policies it's because you have the

00:40:23.640 10 15 20 percent of the people at any given corporation who are very loud and very intransigent

00:40:28.880 and then you have a bunch of people in the middle who just say well it's easier to give in to them

00:40:32.280 than to fight them and do we really want the headache well you can do the same thing from the

00:40:36.180 opposite point of view you can renormalize an institution if you have 20 percent of the

00:40:40.020 corporation that says listen we just want to be neutral here and it won't be 20 it'll be more like

00:40:43.900 50 and you get those people to sign a letter to the corporate head saying listen we're not doing this

00:40:47.640 this whiteness is bad diversity training with robin d'angelo nonsense we're just we're not going to do

00:40:52.700 it we we think that it's bad and we're not willing to do it then the corporation has to decide

00:40:56.640 between the 50 and the 20 right now the corporation is deciding between the 20 and the zero percent if people

00:41:01.880 don't get mobilized and unified um explain your theory on veganism because i think this is a great

00:41:07.920 example yeah so i mean to give full credit to the person who kind of gives this metaphor uh niss and

00:41:14.460 nicholas taleb his metaphor is basically let's say that you have a family of four and one of the members

00:41:20.100 of the family usually the daughter comes home and says i'm a vegan today i and because i'm a vegan mom

00:41:25.140 i need you to make me a vegan meal and so mom now has a decision she can make a meat meal for the rest of

00:41:29.160 the family and a vegan meal for the daughter or she can say to the whole family listen i don't have

00:41:32.880 time we're all eating vegan tonight well now the daughter has successfully renormalized the family

00:41:37.380 the entire family is now eating vegan because you had one intransigent person who just refused to

00:41:41.960 budge now you can take that entire family there's a block party that night there's maybe three other

00:41:46.120 families there they go to the people throwing the block party they say listen we're all eating vegan

00:41:49.360 because our daughter's eating vegan you can give us a separate meal that's fine but you know we're just

00:41:53.120 not going to eat the meat now the person who's ahead of the block party has to decide whether to make

00:41:56.680 a couple of separate meals and maybe she says well you know it's probably not worth the hassle

00:41:59.960 it's one night who cares people can build vegan for one night and now you got 16 20 people who are

00:42:04.720 all eating vegan because one person was intransigent about eating vegan the same thing holds true in

00:42:09.260 politics and you see this all the time this is true in corporations yeah this is uh tyranny of the

00:42:15.160 minority it is and and it can only work under a couple of conditions one you do need sort of a baseline

00:42:22.780 level of support for the thing usually about 15 20 inside an organization two you need to have them

00:42:29.740 asking for incremental non-supremely radical things so this is what the left does they don't go right

00:42:35.060 away to we need robin d'angelo teaching you the whiteness is bad they start with we need diversity

00:42:39.220 training are you against diversity why don't you like diversity diversity is good are you racist and

00:42:43.940 then it moves on to well you know diversity training really has to encompass teaching about the systemic

00:42:48.780 racism of the american system and what don't you think that that systems have histories and then

00:42:54.140 they move from systemic racism to well you know if we're going to acknowledge systemic racism we

00:42:58.580 certainly have to acknowledge that you are a beneficiary of white privilege and if you're a

00:43:02.560 beneficiary of white privilege this means you suffer from whiteness you can see the sort of step-by-step

00:43:06.320 improvement but the key is you don't go zero to 100 all at once you start by by slowly pushing the

00:43:12.640 pedal and eventually the pedal gets to the metal most people have to be acclimated to it

00:43:16.720 and if every concession seems like a minor concession pretty soon you've moved a really

00:43:21.400 long way and this is true for virtually every social issue in the united states i mean how do we go

00:43:25.120 from you know the the a time when americans were you know thinking that no fault divorce was was

00:43:31.420 controversial to men can be women and women can be men i mean it doesn't happen overnight that

00:43:35.320 takes a while but it takes a lot of conciliation it takes a lot of cowardice and it takes a lot of

00:43:39.920 incrementalism robert reich uh just tweeted out in november 1923 hitler's attempted coup failed but

00:43:46.560 no one was held accountable um yeah they were he went to prison 10 years later he took over germany

00:43:52.160 trump's january 21 uh coup failed but six and a half months later trump faces no consequences

00:43:57.660 and his co-conspirators are still in congress is trump an authoritarian

00:44:03.700 i mean trump certainly didn't behave like an authoritarian in terms of what he was actually

00:44:09.820 able to get done i think that the trump had he he tends to use some strongman rhetoric because

00:44:14.360 that's how he talks right but you know in terms of what did he actually do the answer is no i mean

00:44:19.940 this is why i was hysterically funny and and pathetic when general milley was talking about

00:44:24.640 how this was like a reichstag fire situation and he's a hitlerian figure it's like what i mean you

00:44:29.820 know how historically ignorant you have to be in order to come up with that first of all it doesn't

00:44:33.040 even make any internal sense the reichstag fire was set by a deranged communist and then used as an

00:44:37.240 excuse by the nazis in order to pass the enabling act so what was trump's theory there i'm gonna send

00:44:41.480 some of my friends over to to set the capital on fire so i can then what declare myself total

00:44:46.260 dictator that doesn't that doesn't even work internally beyond that there was no institutional

00:44:50.200 support for anything that trump was saying or doing and beyond that this is not nazi germany

00:44:55.240 circa 1932 i mean the reality of hitler's rise is so wildly misunderstood by people who have never

00:45:02.780 read a book that it's kind of insane i mean people have to understand that when it comes to hitler's rise

00:45:07.000 the key factor in in hitler's rise there are two major key factors in hitler's rise that people

00:45:11.680 tend to ignore one is that hitler was pushing against the communists at the time and so there

00:45:15.100 are a lot of people who felt the necessity to choose between one and the other uh and the other

00:45:18.740 is that the the power of the german government had already been centralized hitler was a was a late

00:45:25.260 term dictator but they'd already been operating under the offices of minority governments with nearly

00:45:30.440 dictatorial powers right several years by the time hitler took took power that is not the case with

00:45:35.520 regard to president trump in any way shape or form so the historically the historical analogy just

00:45:41.900 just doesn't work in any way but i guess if you say hitler and over and over then then a president

00:45:46.360 who was attempting to cut regulations and lower taxes suddenly looks like the guy who was trying

00:45:52.360 to imprison every jew and and and gas them and invade half of europe i mean that's that's it it's

00:45:58.140 amazing how how you know it's it's the god of law argument you know you've lost when you started

00:46:01.960 invoking hitler um i want to take you to the old testament here for a second and uh when god wants

00:46:08.000 to destroy uh sodom and gomorrah two angels go in and the amazing thing about this story is um

00:46:14.480 uh they're taken in for shelter and and the mob doesn't the mob is insisting not that they come out

00:46:22.620 and and say everything is okay what you're doing instead they must participate in what gomorrah and sodom

00:46:30.480 and gomorrah are doing and we're at that point now it's it's no longer hey just let's be good to

00:46:36.780 each other hey that kind of hurts my feelings maybe don't say that now it's you must say the things i

00:46:42.120 believe and you must participate in it yeah that's one of the more disturbing things that's happened is

00:46:49.220 the way the left is won here is again a sort of incremental three-step process step one was saying

00:46:54.600 to people you know you need to be civil just be civil you know like when we have a political

00:46:57.740 conversation don't mention this inconvenient fact because it really insults me and i feel bad about

00:47:01.960 it so just don't do that and people on the right and americans generally tend to want to be civil

00:47:05.740 and so they're like okay i guess i just want to say this quote-unquote offensive thing then it turned

00:47:09.580 into well speech itself is violent if you go ahead and you say that it's not just that i'm offended

00:47:13.580 it's that you have done an act of violence against me and you must be shut up you must be silenced

00:47:17.580 and then that turned even further into it says silence is violence this is this nonsensical

00:47:22.500 ridiculous thing that you heard during the black lives matter protest last year if you don't mirror

00:47:27.100 exactly what i am saying word for word and i can change it on the dime by the way right it doesn't

00:47:31.080 have to be consistent there doesn't have to be an internal logic if you don't mirror that word for

00:47:35.040 word you've committed an act of violence so in other words if you're not part of the mob then you

00:47:39.740 ought to be targeted by the mob because you're performing inactive violence i think one of the ways

00:47:44.200 that the right completely misses the vote is that we're constantly looking for the through line for the

00:47:47.760 left we're constantly saying like what's their internal logic what are they trying to accomplish and the answer

00:47:51.820 is power there is no internal logic yeah yeah uh ben shapiro thank you so much i'd love to have you on

00:47:56.960 for a podcast about the book when we have more time i know you're busy today the book comes out today

00:48:01.460 the authoritarian moment by ben shapiro ben thanks so much god bless thanks bud bye-bye uh really good book

00:48:10.800 uh the things that i've learned just from hearing him talk about it and he goes into history in the book

00:48:16.760 pick it up today

00:48:18.340 you

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