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The Heidi Fleiss story has been turbocharged now with Jeffrey Epstein s case getting uglier and more weird the more we look into it. We have a few things on that. Also, a little bit more on what might be happening with Epstein and what's being said behind the scenes that are really quite fascinating.
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Hello, podcasters. Today's episode is titled, What Would Jesus Do?
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We looked at a couple of things today. The abundant amount of holes, and I mean holes as in a-holes,
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in New York City, and what Jesus would do about that. We have a few things on that. Also,
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a little bit more on what might be happening with Jeffrey Epstein and what's being said behind
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the scenes that are really quite fascinating. We also talked to Bill O'Reilly, who knows something
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about Jeffrey Epstein. He doesn't know him personally, but he's been snooping around.
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He talked to somebody yesterday who knows him quite well. He said, well, Trump is looking good
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in this. There was a witch hunt on Kavanaugh, led by the very dangerous Kamala Harris, and he doesn't
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want to get caught into the same trap on this. It's an interesting POV on that. Charlie Kirk also
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joins us. Everyone is too serious today, and a tipping point to a brighter tomorrow, all on today's podcast.
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The Heidi Fleiss story has been turbocharged now with Jeffrey Epstein. The case is getting uglier and
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more weird the more we look into it. Back in 2007, the charges brought against him were brutal.
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I want you to listen to this quote. The FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office determined that from 2001
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to September 2007, Epstein has conspired to persuade minors to engage in prostitution,
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conspired to transport minors across state lines for the purpose of illicit sexual conduct,
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and recruited a minor across state lines to engage in a commercial sex act. The government has
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everything they need to put this guy away for life. Court documents have revealed now that Epstein was
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partnered with a British woman at an international model agency. They allegedly promised girls modeling
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gigs as a trick to groom them into trafficking. Law enforcement has the names of the victims,
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lists of several of the accomplices, everything, again, they need.
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But despite what appeared at the time to be a slam dunk case, the government chose to offer
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Epstein a plea deal. They slapped him on the wrist with a lesser charge and serving minimal time.
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Now, not only did this deal get him off easy, but it also immunized him and his co-conspirators from
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prosecution. Now, I don't think I've ever heard of anything like this happening before.
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This was a potential of unveiling of a system of elites all over the world bartering in underage
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human beings and nothing was going to happen. No justice was going to be served. How is this possible?
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Now, the obvious thing is to say, well, this guy just has a lot of clout and a lot of power and he gets
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off with a slap on the wrist after being, you know, implicated in a major child sex ring.
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But I wonder if it stops there. Does it does it include just the names of the people in the
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little black book of associates and clients? Can he get off with this because he is friends with so
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many people and he has blackmail ability on so many important people? I mean, how many powerful
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people were involved in this? So are they the real reason he's being able to avoid justice for
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these poor little girls? Well, there's a woman that has been a journalist and been covering this
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case since 2003. Her name is Vicki Ward. She wrote an article this week that mentions something that I
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think. Might be explosive, explosive enough to blow up a good portion of our system.
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In an interview she had with a former White House official, the topic of Labor Secretary Alexander
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Acosta came up. Now, Acosta was the U.S. attorney in Miami that offered Epstein that ridiculous plea
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deal. And everybody's saying, I've never heard of anything like this. How could this have happened?
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Now, the media is insinuating that this was because, you know, that's why Trump paid him off with this
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big, you know, with his big job because he was hiding things for Donald Trump.
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Well, the Trump transition team apparently asked Acosta about the plea deal. And this is how he
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responded. He said he was told by someone in power to back off that Epstein was above his pay grade.
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I want to give this to you as an exact quote. I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave
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it alone. Now, wait a minute. Is this implying that Epstein was working with an intelligence agency
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as some sort of asset? Was this sex ring being used as blackmail material for powerful people
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all over the world? Is somebody in the government using and protecting someone like Jeffrey Epstein,
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using these girls to gain power over very powerful people all over the world?
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Or maybe a higher level official? Either in the government or perhaps in the intelligence
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community? Is it somebody who is listed as clientele in the little black book? Who would tell
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a state's attorney to back off? This guy is in Intel? I know this. This case cannot go the way of
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Heidi Fleiss. This case cannot just disappear. Because when all is said and done, the ground is already
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shaking. Powerful people and powerful organizations will fall. If this is pursued, they will fall.
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We have to ask ourselves, do we care that much? Are our politics more important than these kids that have
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been put in peril and been preyed upon and been used as sex toys? Where are our real priorities?
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And what does it mean? We all know that our government is very dirty. We all know that there
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are predators in our government. We know that. So now the question is, now we have the guy who has
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the decoder ring. What is it we're going to do about it? The best of the Glenn Beck program.
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Hey, it's Glenn. And if you like what you hear on the program, you should check out Pat Gray
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Unleashed. His podcast is available wherever you download your favorite podcast. He'd be very glad
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to go home. I mean, I love New York. It is a great city. I mean, it's just the access to minds and to
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thinking and to everything is just incredible in New York. But your access to, excuse my French,
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and I don't think it's French, a-holes is enough. I mean, it's overwhelming. Yesterday in an elevator,
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I wasn't in an elevator, but some friends were in an elevator. And they had a five-year-old and a
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nine-year-old. Now they have eight kids and they were all out running around all day with these kids.
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They get into the elevator of this hotel and two of the kids take and push three extra buttons. Okay.
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And they're like, stop it, stop it. And so the kids stop. Now, as the elevator doors are closing,
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a woman sticks her hand into the elevator and opens the doors again. And the guy, my friend said
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immediately, just so you know, kids pushed some extra buttons here. So if you want to take another
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elevator, you might. And the woman gets in and she just does this. Oh. So their first response is,
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oh no, not a problem. Uh, you know, I got kids. I know what it's like. No, uh-uh. Oh. So she stands
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there and they stop at the first floor. It opens, it closes, they continue on. Oh my gosh. Oh, this is
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so irritating. She says to herself. So my friend's wife says, wow, some people's lives are really,
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really hard. That's when the woman turns around and says, you know, I have children.
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And so my friend tries to lighten things up and says, oh, so then you, you understand. I mean,
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kids do stupid stuff sometimes. And she says, no, I have children and I taught them not to do things
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like this. First of all, really did you, your perfect little angels. Now, if I were on the elevator,
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I would have started engaging right now. My friend does not engage. Uh, it, when she says,
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I taught them not to touch the buttons. Oh, and she turns around. That's when my friends just start
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to laugh. And, uh, she doesn't say anything except a few more grunts. Then the elevator doors open. Now,
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this is the third time it has opened. They only pushed three extra buttons. So she's got an extra
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floor to go, but they're getting off on this, this floor. And as they get off, they say, we're really
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sorry for the hassle. And, um, as they're walking out of the elevator, she, she says loudly, and yet you
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laugh about this as if it is no big deal. Now that's when my friend puts his hand in the elevator
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to stop the elevator door from closing. And he told me last night, he said, Glenn, I had a choice.
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I could either tell her exactly what I was thinking, or I could be Christ-like. So when I said to him
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last night, please tell me you didn't choose Christ, please, please tell me this is the one
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time you said, you know, Jesus, I'm not going your way. And he said, no, I chose Christ. And I said,
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you know, I'm really sorry. We apologize to you. Uh, you know, we're sorry that this has affected
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your day. And I said, you're pathetic. You're pathetic. This is when my son chimes in, who is
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really good at accents. I'm not, he's really good at accents. He does a really good Scottish accent.
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And, uh, he said immediately, I would have said, don't get your tit in a ringer.
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I said, boy, you know, uh, we should have been on that elevator with you. Cause I would have looked
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at, I would have looked at her. I would have, I would have had a few choice words for, and then I
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looked at my son and I looked at Rafe and I said, I just would have looked at you and shook my head.
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And what would you have done? And he said, as you are walking out, dad, I would have hit all of the
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buttons on the elevator. That's what you're supposed to do. Okay. I know Jesus is wonderful,
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but there were no elevators with crappy people in them at the time of Jesus. So elevators don't count
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on the Christ-like time. I just, I just want to throw that out there. I might be wrong.
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I, I have to admit, I was hoping for the, I was hoping for the, nah, I ignored everything I've ever
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been taught. Yeah. Cause I would have, you would have gone crazy. I wouldn't have been nice.
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Would not have been nice. No. Although I will say, I mean the first lesson I taught every one of my
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children and I reinforced this year after year, don't touch the elevator buttons. That was, you
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know, the uppermost thing in my mind. And I can't believe it wasn't in these parents' minds. No, it
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was. They've taught their children that. And they did it anyway. They did it anyway. Do you remember,
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Pat, Tanya and I wanted to buy a piano. We ended up buying like a thousand dollar piano. Okay. Cause
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none of us really play. Uh, and, but we had this dream that we were all going to learn, you know,
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and we had two young children. And so we're going to learn and we get a piano. And I said, well,
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let's get a good piano. Let's, let's, you know, can we look at Steinways now? I've never, I don't know
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what a Steinway cost. I thought like, you know, I don't know, maybe 10,000, maybe 10,000. No, no, no,
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they're about $125,000. They can be as high as half a million. And I, and so we walk into the
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Steinway place and Tanya's like, Glenn, these are really expensive. And I'm like, oh, let's just
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look, you know? And so I go in there and I'm looking at just like a black one. Okay. There's
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nothing special about it. It's just a black piano. And I said, so how much is, how much is this one?
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She said, oh, this $125,000. And I wanted to say, does it cook me breakfast too? Or what,
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what else does it do besides, you know, play music? Yeah. And does it play music on its own?
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She looked at me like I was a cretin. I'm like for 125,000, I should be able to say,
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hey, play something nice. And the piano should play something nice. Okay. Without anybody sitting
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there, unless somebody from Steinway would like to sit in the little chair, maybe that comes with
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it for 125,000. Maybe a little person comes that can play the piano too. No. So she's telling me,
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but we can make these any way you want. And she's showing me all these, you know, inlaid pianos that
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are like 250. Now I'm kind of getting into it. I'm not, I have no intention of buying one. I'm just
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like, I'm just looking at how stupid these pianos could become. And so, you know, but you're doing
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what you always do when you're way out of your league, you pretend there's a possibility that
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we might buy it, but we're going to have to go away and talk about it first. So I'm, I'm pretending
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that I'm very interested. And I said, so what do you do? You know, like, do you, can you put the
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little lock on the keyboard thing, you know? And she looked at me like I was a Cretan and she said,
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no. I said, well, you could put anything on these pianos. We don't put little locks on the
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keyboard. And I said, well, how do you keep your kids? I've got, you know, three-year-olds. How do
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you get them from, you know, pounding on the keys? She said, you tell them that it is a Steinway.
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Hey, it's Glenn, and you're listening to the Glenn Beck Program. If you like what you're hearing on
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this show, make sure you check out Pat Gray Unleashed. It's available wherever you download
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your favorite podcasts. Kind of some ominous, scary music because the one, the only Mr. Happy
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Pants himself, Bill O'Reilly joins us. Hello, Bill. Happy boots. I'm going to get some of those boots
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to you, too. Yeah, you sold it pretty well. Are you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I would get
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them, you know, and if I would pay extra if they would insert themselves in people's butts for me.
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So I didn't have to do it. I could just. Anyway, how you doing, Bill? I'm the same, which is tragic
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for everyone. You know that. Were you always as a kid? Were you miserable? No, I was. I was
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a happy kid. Jerry Mathers-like, a beaver cleaver kind of kid. Really? I did beat up
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Wally on a regular basis. Yeah. What happened to you, Bill? I mean, you had great success.
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You're very popular, and yet you're just a get-off-my-lawn kind of guy. No, no. I like
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the urchins on the lawn. It's just anybody over 25 who can't go on the lawn. No, I am a realist,
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and just looking at the world the way it is is a little draining these days. Yes, it
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is. So, Bill, I want to talk to you about Jeffrey Epstein. First of all, do you know
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him? Do not. Okay. It seems everybody in circles. Yeah. I mean, look. No, I know that. I had
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dinner with a guy last night who's a friend of his, and I didn't know that. I mean, I was
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talking to this guy about other things. He's a political player. But this guy, he ran in
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a lot of circles that merge entertainment with politics. There's a guy named Ron Burkle out
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in Los Angeles. He does that. They basically are very wealthy people with a fleet of private jets.
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They ferry people around the world for various reasons. I am, as you know, a guy who doesn't
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comment unless I really know what happened. But I can tell you this. They have so much on this guy,
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they being the feds in Manhattan in the lower Manhattan, the Southern District. You know,
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he's looking at probably 15 to 20. And they'll get him. I will tell you, Bill, he'll die in prison,
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I bet, at that point. I will tell you, being in Manhattan this week, everyone, everyone is talking
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about it in the upper circles. Everybody is talking about it. Yeah, they're trying to link politicians
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into him. I did look at that vis-a-vis President Trump. I talked to an attorney in Southern Florida
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who is very conversant with the victims down there coming forth. Now, there is a court filing on the
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record that says that Trump in the early 2000s expelled Epstein from Mar-a-Lago. That's on the record.
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I have to tell you, Bill, I think, I think that Donald Trump not only is looking good in this
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because of that, he immediately expelled Epstein from his club when he found out he had preyed on a
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teenager and immediately expelled. They're trying to tie it into him. But I think he's,
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I think there's a strong possibility, even though he's, you know, been with Epstein before, that he
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is clean on this. I'm going to go a step further. I would love to hear your opinion on that this may
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have actually kind of been pushed by Donald Trump in some way because, you know, they say,
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they say, what is his name? Acosta is, you know, pardon him. Did you see what the reporter actually
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said that's not getting a lot of play? The reporter said, the one who started this and been following
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it since the early 2000s. This is the Miami Herald reporter. Yes. And she's, she came out this week
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and she said, uh, what people really need to understand is, uh, he was asked about this by
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the Trump campaign. Uh, you know, how did you give the sweetheart deal? And, and he said that it was
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because he was told by, uh, the politically elite above him that, uh, to leave it alone, the guy was
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an intelligence operative. Now I don't believe that he was an intelligence operative. Yeah. I can't
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comment on any of that because I haven't been able to confirm it and I'm not really working the story
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hard. Um, it not that I just have other things to do, but I think that in America, it is true.
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If you are a billionaire, you can spread money around and get lenient treatment in our criminal
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justice system. I believe that's true. I believe that, uh, people who make that accusation are accurate.
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I've seen it myself and, uh, it's very bad. And if anything comes out, they were looking at the
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division that is, the division that is working with the FBI, uh, on this and the, and the, uh,
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uh, Southern New York officials, uh, is the, uh, corruption division. Yes. So it's not just the,
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it's right. It's a very good observation back. It's not the, uh, it's not the, uh, rank and file
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prosecutors. It's the, and it's not the sex crimes division only, right? It's public integrity. So I
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don't think there's any doubt that you're going to see more on this story and that it may have a,
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um, chilling impact on the democratic party because it seems that they were far more involved with
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Epstein than the Republican party. However, that's speculation. So now let me, let me ask you this.
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Doesn't this show a pattern of the Democrats that they're going to have start to have a hard time
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if this comes out and there are big Democrats involved in this, um, isn't this, aren't they
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going to have a hard time with the me too movement seeing that one of their big donors was Harvey
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Weinstein and everyone knew about him. And the other one on this coast was Jeffrey Epstein and
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everyone, they called his plane, the Lolita express. Everyone knew it. And they still took money and
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invited him and tolerated him. What does that say about the, well, it was a division. Okay. And,
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and there always has been a division. So there are, um, sincere people who believe that American
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society tolerates behavior that it shouldn't. And they have a right to go out and make their case
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in the strongest possible way. But there are other people who use these cases for political reasons
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and which hunted. And we saw that with Kavanaugh. That is the most dangerous example that I can give
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anyone of how you take an injustice and then compound it a hundred times by a far larger injustice.
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It's a new book out by Molly Hemingway that gets into, uh, Dr. Ford. I'm not, I didn't check out
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Hemingway's, uh, research, so I'm not going to repeat it. But I said from the very beginning,
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this was a witch hunt that almost destroyed Kavanaugh and his family. Kamala Harris drove it.
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Cory Booker drove it. The New York times drove it. So they used a legitimate issue. Okay.
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And just spun it around to destroy political opponents. So that this is a very complicated
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issue that Americans should think about very seriously. When I see this Kamala Harris,
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I see what she did in that Kavanaugh hearing. Okay. I could never vote for her for anything.
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So you, let's, let's change this, uh, subject slightly and talk about what we should be talking
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about. We should be looking for the predators, but the injustice of these women, I've had, I've
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had people come and say, well, I don't know if I believe it. I mean, why wouldn't they come
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out and say it? Oh, I don't know. The guy was friends with everyone. He was a billionaire.
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Uh, everyone, you think they're going to believe you over the voice of a former president who's
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like, no, Jeffrey's a good guy. They're not going to believe you. And so this, this hurts
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the, by not exposing this and not going all the way on this, this hurts anyone who has been
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a victim of sexual abuse because that it just reinforces, they're not going to believe
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you. It's horrible government. If, if they did indeed botch the original case in Florida
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as the Miami Herald, uh, contends, and it looks like the evidence, you know, a cost is pretty
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overwhelming. Yeah. It costs us out. All right. So, so it looks like that happened. Um, the federal
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government is trying to write that wrong now. And that's a good thing. But if you know history,
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you know, that powerful people in politics and entertainment, particularly have gotten away with
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an unbelievable stuff. Um, because they have the money and the, and the access to do whatever they
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wanted to do. I think the question is, uh, yeah, that was going to say, that's the real question.
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Is this going to end now? And that's a good thing. That's great. That's a very good thing. Thank you.
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Let me, uh, let me change, uh, because you were just overseas. Um, and, uh, I think you went to
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Germany. Were you, were you over in England at all? No, I was not in England. Um, I went to, uh,
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Germany and Austria, combination business pleasure. And I wrote a brilliant column and I hope
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you read it, uh, called the plan. Oh my gosh. Did I ever. Okay. I've read it. And, um, while I was
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Germany, um, I had a very high level meetings. I love those high level meetings. Um, and I did a
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very astute analysis of the tax system there. Um, which is what the democratic party wants you,
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but they won't tell you. I wish you weren't. I really wish you weren't as humble as you are.
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Uh, you know, I have to say these things. I'm like, I'm like Trump in that regard to get your
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attention. Cause you're old and you drift away. You drift away. I get you back. All right. That's
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right. Okay. So, so what, what, what was the point of this beautifully, wonderful, best written piece
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of all time? Okay. I'm in Munich, Germany and Munich could be in any state USA minus the language
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in the old buildings. People live exactly the same in there as we live in the United States.
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They have a BMW. They live in small homes or apartments, not expansive. Like some people live
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here, but they go to work, they work hard, they're industrious. And after their weekly paycheck,
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they have no money left over nothing. Okay. The government takes everything. They keep them in
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beer and cigarettes. You can have your little wine. You can have your BMW. You can have, uh,
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your little lederhosen, whatever you want, but you can't have anything left over to put in the bank
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and invest. And that makes it impossible for German workers to improve their status. So your son and
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grandson, it's going to be the same as you. All right. Because the government takes it all. And I
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break it down so that even Stu could understand it. I mean, I just, it was amazing to me. And I had a
00:30:08.160
guide, I hired a guide who was like furious about this. And of course the underground economy cash
00:30:14.080
that they don't declare is all over the Germany, all over it. So, you know, it's, what's weird,
00:30:19.580
Bill is, you know, you, you started out, I was listening. You started out saying, you know,
00:30:23.300
this is the same thing that's happening here in America. I don't know if you saw the, uh,
00:30:27.280
Washington post story from David Montgomery on AOC's chief of change. And he's talking about a
00:30:34.120
meeting between her chief of, uh, chief, chief of staff, uh, and Sam Ricketts.
00:30:43.120
That's no, no, no, no, no, no. This is right. But this is the, this is, uh, uh, what's his
00:30:48.340
name? Psychot, uh, Chakrabarty, um, who is her, is her sugar daddy when it comes to politics.
00:30:56.380
Um, he is chief of staff. He helped her get elected, et cetera, et cetera. She, um, he was
00:31:02.580
meeting with the climate director for the, uh, Washington governor, Jay Inslee. And it's
00:31:08.800
a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a article about their conversation and it is amazing. Um,
00:31:15.380
Chakrabarty had an unexpected disclosure. He said, the interesting thing about the new green
00:31:19.860
deal, this a quote, it wasn't originally a climate thing at all. Ricketts greeted the
00:31:26.020
startling notion with an intended poker face. Did you guys think of it as a climate
00:31:30.440
thing? Because we really think of it as a, how you change the entire economy thing. And
00:31:37.560
it goes into how they are talking. And it's, it's, I don't know if this is written as a
00:31:43.860
bad thing or not. It's the Washington post, but it's horrifying where they're just talking
00:31:49.360
about, yeah, you know, we cloaked it as a climate thing, but it really has nothing to
00:31:53.660
do with that. And, and Inslee's people say, well, I know, and it's good because it included
00:31:59.900
the climate, which we have to do, but this whole system needs to be destroyed. We need
00:32:05.420
to end the free market. And it's amazing how open they are.
00:32:10.080
Just this week, France, uh, passed a tax on anyone flying out of that country. You got
00:32:18.100
to pay 18 euros to about 25 bucks just to leave on a plane. All right. And they say,
00:32:25.740
this is the environmental tax. Now you look at France and you go, this isn't going to do
00:32:31.700
anything for the environment at all, anywhere. This is just another sneaky way to take as much
00:32:38.760
money as you can from anybody on your soil. So that's what's happening here.
00:32:44.520
Okay. We're going to continue with, uh, Bill O'Reilly from billoreilly.com. He's got a great
00:32:51.640
book coming out this fall about Donald Trump. You want to pre-order it right now? Just go to the
00:32:57.340
Bill O'Reilly page at amazon.com and order it now. Billoreilly.com is also where you will find his,
00:33:04.800
his daily rant, you know, and his, and his happy corner. Uh, it's quite a happy place.
00:33:12.320
Bill O'Reilly.com. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:33:29.480
Charlie Kirk is a bestselling author. He was featured in Forbes magazine, the 30 under 30 in
00:33:36.180
2018. He's the youngest speaker ever, uh, at the 2016 Republican national convention. He is an Eagle
00:33:43.580
scout. He started turning point USA, which is, is now one of the biggest grassroots, uh, organizations
00:33:52.200
with 1200 high school and college campuses, nationwide blanketed, uh, 150 full-time staff,
00:34:00.620
and he's 24 years old. This guy is, uh, quite amazing. Welcome to the program, Charlie Kirk.
00:34:07.180
Thank you so much for having me, Glenn. Great honor. Thank you.
00:34:11.160
Um, so, you know, Charlie, I posted something that you wrote to me when I was at Fox and you were like
00:34:16.020
17 and you say, I'm speaking at tea parties and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I read some of the
00:34:21.640
comments after, and you have a lot of people that don't like you. And you tweeted something about me a
00:34:27.280
couple of weeks ago. And, um, and I'm reading the comments underneath that. And there's a lot of
00:34:32.300
people that don't like me. Um, uh, you're a, a very controversial person as, as I am. Tell me what
00:34:41.360
you're, tell me what you feel like you are doing and why your work is important.
00:34:48.840
Well, again, thank you for having me on the show. It's always a great honor. I mean, the kind of the
00:34:54.840
main big picture of what I'm trying to accomplish and what I'm trying to do at Turning Point USA is
00:35:00.020
try to continue the most successful experiment in human history, which is the American experiment.
00:35:06.500
Uh, there, there's no guarantee that this is going to continue. Uh, the constitutional republic that,
00:35:12.100
you know, we're still enjoying to this day, but to be crumbling around us, there's no guarantee that,
00:35:17.860
that, that, that this experiment will, will still be successful. And my focus is primarily on
00:35:24.700
college and high school students that are not necessarily opposed to our ideas, but they're
00:35:29.300
never exposed them at all in the first place. And it is putting forth the ideas of individual
00:35:34.380
liberty, limited government, constitution, American exceptionalism, you know, the ideas that were
00:35:39.480
really birthed and rooted in the Scottish enlightenment that have allowed the greatest
00:35:43.740
civilization ever to exist in the history of the world to have that permission to exist. Um, and,
00:35:49.560
and it draws some critics, some people on the left and some people on the right that, um, might not
00:35:57.000
seem to think that there is a sense of urgency to save the country right now. And that's perfectly
00:36:00.780
fine. That's how, you know, you're making a difference. And you know that better than
00:36:04.760
anybody else. But the main thesis of what we're doing is that there's an entire generation that
00:36:10.620
instead of being thankful that they're living in America, they're angry that they're living in
00:36:14.740
America. And there's that's, there's no, there's no way you can make an argument that it's healthy
00:36:19.640
for our country or for our society. So Charlie, you were at this meeting at the White House, uh,
00:36:27.600
where the president, uh, brought in some, uh, social media people and the press is saying that these
00:36:36.120
people are, are very controversial and some of them are, um, who was there and why and how were these
00:36:42.640
people chosen? Well, I was there, our good friend, Lilo Rose was there from live action. Um, our
00:36:50.100
friend from Prager university were there heritage foundation. And there were some people that I
00:36:55.060
haven't met before and I've seen some of their content online, definitely more in the creative
00:36:59.480
space. But what I think is really promising about the kind of conservative movement is we don't all
00:37:06.400
have to agree. We don't even all have to agree on tactics at times, at times. It's almost as if the
00:37:13.120
left, this media is attacking Donald Trump for not having everyone be exactly the same in the room,
00:37:18.480
almost as if that's what they're used to. They're used to looking at a press pool where there's no
00:37:22.960
disagreement whatsoever, which is completely antithetical to what journalism and expression
00:37:28.840
should be. And so I actually applaud the fact that not everyone in the room agrees on every issue or
00:37:34.620
sees eye to eye on even the way to go about advancing those issues. Um, that that's something
00:37:39.260
that should be celebrated. But the, the insinuation that this is some form of a radical summit,
00:37:45.140
nothing could be further from the truth. I mean, you have, you know, you're sorry, go ahead.
00:37:50.420
Go ahead. No, go ahead. Well, no, I, I just finished the point. I mean, there's people in there that
00:37:55.900
are consistently attacked and misleading, you know, in a misleading way by the media for
00:38:01.260
doing nothing more than investigative journalism or really exposing, you know, some of the biggest
00:38:06.700
stories of our time. And I wouldn't call Lila Rose a radical. I mean, Planned Parenthood would
00:38:11.440
call Lila Rose a radical. That doesn't make her one. Uh, and certainly Prager is not, and Prager is,
00:38:19.860
is being, um, you know, his algorithms are all upside down to make sure people stay away from
00:38:25.780
Prager University. So what, what, what, what came out of this meeting? Well, first, first and foremost,
00:38:34.880
the fact the meeting happened in the first place is a really promising sign. It shows that the White
00:38:41.940
House is listening in real time to the wants and concerns of the American people. I think this issue
00:38:47.760
of tech censorship is one that has been given a much bigger platform over the last two, two and a half
00:38:53.820
years than it was, you know, previous to that. And I, I think that the tech companies are, are,
00:38:59.340
are really unchecked and out of control in a lot of different ways. And whether it be the
00:39:03.920
demonetization of Steven Crowder's videos or the restriction of Prager University videos on YouTube,
00:39:09.120
or Lila Rose not being allowed to advertise on Twitter while Planned Parenthood is, these sorts of
00:39:15.860
isolated incidents, it shows an actual pattern. And so the big takeaway, first and foremost, is that
00:39:20.820
this has really elevated this issue to the highest possible level and has definitely got the tech
00:39:26.720
companies' attention. And now the president even said that he wants to call the tech companies back
00:39:30.840
in and have them answer some of these questions of why these individuals and why these voices are
00:39:35.460
being suppressed. But even beyond this is that this has been, and I, this is where I really applaud
00:39:40.960
the president. This has essentially been a third rail of politics issue for whatever reason,
00:39:46.720
that both parties have been perfectly fine with, you know, bending the knee to the Valley oligarchs
00:39:52.400
and elites. And because Google, for example, is the most lobbied for company in the world. I mean,
00:39:57.920
they have an amazing amount of K Street lobbyists that advocate for them. So this was not necessarily
00:40:03.240
something that, you know, the president will benefit from politically from the, you know, the wise men
00:40:08.280
of Washington or the K Street ruling class. But it's something that resonates with the American people
00:40:12.820
and definitely put a lot of these social media oligarchs on defense. And I think it's, I think
00:40:20.000
Let me, let me switch subjects about Tommy Robinson, changed to Tommy Robinson. Will Cowell was on with
00:40:27.240
me. Andrew Will Cowell was on yesterday and he was speaking about Tommy Robinson. And I don't know,
00:40:33.300
I haven't spoken to Tommy Robinson and I haven't done a lot of the in-depth homework because it's over in
00:40:39.180
England. And, you know, I see things on both sides and think, ah, that's kind of bad. And then other
00:40:45.520
side, you know, other times I think, ah, no, I think he's being persecuted, but I'm not sure. Um,
00:40:51.280
the blaze just did a story on Tommy Robinson. Uh, Tommy Robinson was not convicted of journalism. He was
00:40:59.080
convicted of illegal immigration, assaulting a cop and fraud. He's no hero. Uh, I don't, I haven't even
00:41:06.300
had a chance to read this whole thing. Um, and I don't know, I'd like to talk to Tommy myself and,
00:41:13.640
and ask him about some of these things. Do you know Tommy? And I know Donald Jr. Uh, has come out
00:41:20.900
and said, Hey, we should, you know, we should at least consider what he's saying about coming here to
00:41:26.460
America because he's facing jail time. Um, do you know him? What is your feeling on him? And
00:41:35.360
is this something that we should be considering? So I do not know him and I like you am hearing
00:41:43.960
very conflicting information on this story. And usually that goes to show me that the truth is
00:41:51.100
somewhere in the middle of both of those things. Usually that's just kind of comes from, uh,
00:41:56.300
experience there. I will say this though. I think what is really difficult for us Americans
00:42:02.360
to understand is how the UK and Europe really don't appreciate free speech at all whatsoever
00:42:09.500
or, or the freedom of the, they don't have a first amendment. They don't, they don't. And
00:42:14.800
I mean, the, the kind of Corbynite movement in the United Kingdom led by Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of
00:42:20.720
the labor party is essentially his satellite cells, Bernie Sanders in the States. And so
00:42:26.860
what I'm, my point kind of where I'm talking about with Tommy Robinson and all of this is that
00:42:31.360
it's a tough thing sometimes for Americans to digest saying, wait a second, Tommy was locked up
00:42:37.160
last year for filming outside of a courthouse. And yes, there, there are laws about that in the
00:42:43.720
United Kingdom, whether they're, I think they're totally incorrect. Um, and, but there, there is
00:42:49.100
something that goes to show that if the left in this country gets their way and they want to make
00:42:54.440
America Europe, I mean, you're going to have a completely different set of standards and rules.
00:42:58.900
And I think that applies in this case. And I can't speak to the other stuff in regards to Tommy. I,
00:43:04.160
I, I read a similar article to that where someone talks about the illegal immigration and so on and
00:43:09.980
so forth. Um, but I, I, I definitely, again, when you hear such conflicting information, I think
00:43:15.080
the, the truth is somewhere in between there. So. Yeah. And I think it's, it's both a frightening
00:43:20.900
thing, but at the same time, a really good thing that I'm not willing to take other people's words
00:43:26.560
for it. You know, I, I want to personally do my own homework and I want to talk to the person and I want
00:43:33.380
to look at both sides myself before I judge it. And I think that's, that's really good. That's what
00:43:40.060
we didn't do really. I think many people didn't do on Kavanaugh. They were just, uh, going along with
00:43:47.960
their side until Kavanaugh really spoke out and the two were sitting there. And I think America figured
00:43:54.480
out, I don't know. I can't, I can't be the guy who decides the guilt or innocence. Um,
00:44:03.380
with a media trial. And I think that maybe this is good that we're a little wary of judging people,
00:44:12.100
uh, as good or bad. Would you agree with that? I totally agree. And, and, and look, the whole
00:44:18.200
idea of due process and the idea of the cross-examination of witnesses and trial by jury is
00:44:24.100
to try to remove kind of the trial by the mob. And, and this was something that was really rooted in
00:44:29.680
English common law, which was trying to bring rationality and try to derive emotion away from
00:44:36.160
sentencing. And I, and we saw this with the Covington kids back in January. Let us not forget
00:44:41.520
how the media was so quick to indict a group of high school kids because they dared way,
00:44:46.600
where make America great again, that, you know, on, um, on a monument in Washington, DC, while
00:44:52.040
an agitator got up in the face and in their face and started banging a drum. And all of a sudden we
00:44:57.080
are supposed to believe these were the worst kids in the world. Uh, I've, I've only got about
00:45:01.640
40 seconds here. Can you just tell me on your, your editorial about naming, uh, these, uh, the
00:45:10.800
corporate, you know, Google, Facebook, et cetera, naming them not platforms by, or instead naming
00:45:16.480
them publishers, which carry some real heavy, uh, ramifications for those companies. Did you talk
00:45:23.080
to Donald Trump about that? And is he interested in pursuing this?
00:45:26.500
There was a question about it, uh, yesterday and he seems, I think he, like I want to try to find a,
00:45:34.640
a way to solve this without growing government. However, there is kind of a, there was a sense
00:45:40.640
and a tone and this wasn't outwardly said, but it was kind of a subtext is if these tech companies
00:45:45.720
continue the way they're, they're going, that there's going to be more and more options put on
00:45:49.480
the table. I don't know if this can be done outside of the legislative branch, if it can be done
00:45:54.380
executively. But I do think that the changes in a 602 code need to happen because these big tech
00:45:59.580
companies are hiding behind the platform label when in reality are acting like news publishers.
00:46:05.840
Exactly right. Charlie, thank you so much. We'll talk again. Charlie Kirk, founder and president of
00:46:10.360
Turning Point USA, somebody who, uh, is going to be around for quite a while. He is, um, he is very,
00:46:18.540
very sharp, uh, and has built a very powerful organization and he's 24. The blaze radio network