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Bill O'Reilly joins the show to talk about a new discovery about Martin Luther King Jr., the Disney boycott of Georgia over abortion, and why we have to take a stand. Plus, Pat Gray talks about the latest in the Chick-fil-A boycott.
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Hey, podcasters, welcome to Friday's podcast. A good one today starts out. It starts out with
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a very, very personal conversation. Bill O'Reilly joins us in the show. He is he's in rare form.
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Also, Martin Luther King, a new discovery about him. The you'll be stunned by the discovery,
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I think. But that's not, to me, the real story. Also, Bridget Phetasy and Mark Levin all on
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today's podcast. I just wish there was a TV show I could watch from Mark. I mean,
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there's not one available. I can't get one anymore. It's on the Blaze TV. Yeah, but you can't
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subscribe for that. That's not a website. Yeah, it's easy to subscribe. You go to
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blazetv.com slash back. I would only do it if I could save 10%. You could do that. You just use
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the promo code Glenn and you'll save 10%. Wow, all my questions have been answered. Oh,
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it's a dream come true. Blaze TV and the free podcast right now.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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Pat Gray is with us from Pat Gray Unleashed podcast. You can get on iTunes or or wherever. Hi,
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Pat. How are you doing? Good. Good. You want to talk today about
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Disney's threatened boycott of Georgia. Oh, yeah. Bob Iger just made this announcement
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yesterday. The abortion bill in Georgia. How do you feel about that? And is Disney going
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to keep producing there? Well, I think if it becomes law, it'll be very difficult to produce
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there. I rather doubt we will. Why? I don't think you want. I think many people who work for
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us will not want to work there and somebody else will have to heed their wishes in that regard.
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Right now, we're we're watching it very carefully. Stop. So I don't have a I don't actually have a
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problem with Bob Iger saying this. I wish he had a spine, but he is he's giving in to the wishes of
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all the creatives. And, you know, well, you're going to what are you going to do? Do the same thing if
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their wish was, yeah, we don't want to we don't want to perform in New York because their abortion
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law is so extreme. They can kill a baby that's just about to be born. If a company had most of
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their employees saying that, I think they would. You think they'd carry to that? Yeah, I think if
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most of their employees were saying that they would like a would Chick-fil-A if they said, you know
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what, we don't want to go to New York because we don't want to have abortion because we don't like
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the abortion law. I mean, they would get destroyed by the media for that stance.
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Oh, of course. Oh, yeah. But Chick-fil-A would do it. Yeah, they would do it. They would do it.
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I mean, I don't think it's bad to have principles. It's interesting. And if their principles are,
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you know, we really, really just adore killing children. Bob Iger's principle is I got to make
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money. I got to make movies and I got to make money. Probably. And certainly doesn't give a crap
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about the crew. Yeah. The poor people who are working in Georgia on these movies who probably are all on
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their side of the argument when it comes to abortion. He also doesn't give a crap about
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China's policies. No, I know that. Where they've got people in internment camps right now and they're
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killing millions of Muslims. I know. But they're doing business with China? Yeah, they're doing
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business with China. Huh. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? The hypocrisy. All of these companies
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are doing this. I think it is remarkable what we are going through. And that's why we started the show
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the way we did is we've got to take a stand. And the way to fight this. Yes, we have to take a stand.
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That's my point. Yeah, we have to take a stand. And the way to fight it is to say, oh, okay, Disney.
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Bye bye. Right. You know, yeah, but all of us have to do that to not just Georgia. And I know all of us
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Governor Brian Kemp is is telling him that he's saying, yeah, okay, see ya. Yeah, I mean, it's it's
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it's really the the iPhone thing. Go with me here for a second. I have this conversation with my wife all
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the time. I'll be like, put the iPhone down, put the iPhone down, put it down, put it down, put it down,
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crackhead, crackhead, put it down. And she'd be like, I am doing all of these things. I got it.
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Okay, well, you know what, go without it for a week. Are you kidding me? You know what, honey,
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you sure did it 10 years ago, and we were fine. That's what Georgia and all these other places
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need to say. Oh, Hollywood won't produce our movie, their movies here. Oh, let's see. Georgia was doing
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pretty fine without them. Yeah, we don't have to worry about it. You will find other things. And
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and if if we start putting life behind making a stupid movie. Wow. Yeah, or going to a stupid movie.
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If we started hitting Disney in the pocketbook, like I'm not going to I'm not going to your Disney
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world. I'm not going to Disneyland and not going to your Disney movies. But with Star Wars,
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you're not going to Marvel. You're just not going to you're not going to but and that's the only
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thing that would make a statement to Bob Iger and to Disney. Okay, if we can play that game too.
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And on the other side, boycotts lose their effectiveness when you don't give them credibility
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the power, right? Like, you know, North Carolina tried to stand up against you when the bathroom law
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thing was going on last year. And they were like, where's work? We passed this law. It's important.
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And all this then the NBA was like, yeah, we're not going to have our all star game there. Like,
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okay, forget it. We didn't care. And it would stop. Stop. We're sorry. It's like, all right,
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let's not going to work, right? Like, you have to when you make a decision like that, and you know,
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the consequences, what you're saying is I'm putting this at a higher priority than that,
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right? Georgia is saying I'm putting life at a higher priority than than Disney and Disney is saying
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I'm putting abortion at a higher priority than the workers in the state, than my potentially my
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previous commitments, uh, and maybe the business, uh, influence. And they can make that choice as a
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company. They can, they can say, you know what, we just, we just heart killing babies. We just love
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ending those heartbeats and they can just do that all they want. And if that's their principle,
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then you know what their principle is. And you can make that decision, whether you feel like
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that's really cool is one you want to play with. It's interesting that we raise our children on
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Disney and yet Disney is not standing for the unborn children. I mean, it's, it's really,
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truly remarkable with, with that being, uh, that being said, boycotts are just destruction
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and that's not, that's not how to fight or win. Now I am always torn on boycotts because I am right
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now. Yeah. I'm really torn on boycotts because I mean, Martin Luther King said, you know, if we
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don't boycott, if we don't hit him in the pocket book, it's not going to make a difference. And he
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was right. Um, however, what is, boycotts will work when there's creative destruction. And what I
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mean by that is the, it's easy for people to boycott on the left because they can say,
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I'm not going to watch Fox news. Well, they're fine. Not watching Fox news because they have six
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other things that they like more. When we say I'm going to boycott Disney, what are you replacing
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that hole with you? Well, I'm going to boycott this. Really? Are you, you're going to boycott
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Google. You're going to boycott Facebook. You're going to boycott what Apple. What are you
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replacing it with? I mean, there's no way Pat could boycott Facebook. It's too much of his
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life. It's just too big of a part of his life. Social media for Pat. But what I'm saying is the
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average person, they want to boycott Facebook, but it's already such a big part of their life.
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And there's nothing that is on the other side that is just as good. And so what has to happen is you
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have to have creative destruction and there we have to start developing. For instance, we have to go
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and support some really crappy Christian movies to get to some good Christian movies. You know
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what I mean? And we've done that and we've done that. Yeah. And you see, they're getting good and
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you're, and it's away from the studio system. That's a really good example because it's worked
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in that, in that case, you have to, you have to leave the blaze out of this. You have to go and
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subscribe to Ben Shapiro or to Bill O'Reilly or whatever the blaze. You have to subscribe because
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we are in the creative destruction process. You're never going to replace these mainstream media
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overnight. It's just not going to happen. It has to start from the grassroots and then build and it
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will get better and better and better. And 10 years from now, things will be different,
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but you can't boycott without the other option that is just as good, if not better. That's why
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it works for the right, for the left and why it doesn't work for the right. I'm not going shopping
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at Target or Walmart or, or, or, or Kmart or any of it. Really? Where are you going to go buy stuff?
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I'm not going to go to Target ever again. Okay. How long did that last? Because you like Target,
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you like these places and there's nothing just as good on the other side because they've got
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all of those. I'm going to buy all my groceries at home Depot now. That's exactly right. That's what
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it's like. That's what it's like. That's the company we have. So I'm going to go grocery shopping
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for milk and, and bread and cookies at home Depot. Right. I'm going to, I'm never buying anything
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again on Amazon. Really? Yeah. That's not going to happen. So what is it we have though? We don't,
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since we don't do boycotts and don't really even believe in them, although we're, you and I are torn
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on that a little bit. What do you do to make a statement to the Disney's and the Netflix's of the
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world, uh, that it's unacceptable. You know what? I, I, I am so proud of my daughter, Hannah,
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uh, because she has become this greenie and not because of global warming, but because she believes
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that we waste too much. Okay. And she has never lectured me. I mean, I joke with her all the time.
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Um, she comes over and I'll be like styrofoam. It's so wonderful. Uh, and it is, yeah, it is. And
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she, you know, she throws it back in my face, but it's never, she's not trying to convince anyone
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what she's come to the conclusion is. I don't think these big movements actually do anything.
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I think people actually living it and showing it's not that hard. We'll change things. For instance,
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the, the, what's that all, you know, the miracle burger or impossible burger, impossible burger,
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that's going to change so much because it's actually good. Creative destruction. But people
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like Stu had to eat those crappy burgers for a long time. Just 10 years, 10, 15 years.
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Yeah, that's it. That's all. It wasn't that bad at all. They finally came out with a good
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one. So, right. Well, I think it's, it's, it's almost a point. And this goes back to the
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Obama era, early Obama era in that it's a thought of a difference between, uh, salvation
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and collective salvation. Right. Like in, like you, I think that we always think of ourselves
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as individuals and you have to do what you believe is right. And like, you know, there's
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a lot of things that I believe that I, you know, I'm not going to sit here and evangelize
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for because they don't, no one cares. Right. Like, you know, you, I mean, I'll tell you
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if you ask me, but I mean, there's a level of, I'm doing what I want to do and believe
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is right because I believe it's right. Not because I'm trying to influence other people
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Yeah. And I think that's a, I think that's a good place to land. I mean, I, you can only
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do, you can get obsessed with this stuff because if you tried to, we just joked about
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it with like, you can't buy something on Amazon. Imagine trying to actually implement a strategy
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that you boycotted every company that you disagreed with. We all know it's undoable.
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I'm not, I, if you want to have a boycotted, like if it makes you feel like you're doing
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something, that's fine. But I mean, like it's impossible. Like you would never watch another
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television show. You would never, you would never watch another movie. You would not be
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able to go, the electric, the electricity company you're doing business with is probably
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doing things that violate your interests. Right. Right. You're what you wouldn't do
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anything. You wouldn't do anything. Wouldn't do anything. Right. And like, it's just
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You wouldn't have a cell phone. You wouldn't have a cell phone. Like the Patriot Mobile
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ads we talk about all the time. You wouldn't, unless it's Patriot Mobile, you would not have
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cell service. And unfortunately, there's not a Patriot Mobile in every category. Right.
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And you know what? Right. The Patriot Mobile idea, here's a great example. Creative destruction.
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Creative destruction that people are like, oh, okay, well, I don't know. I've never heard
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of, you know where they, they base this off of something that was started in California that
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struggled for a long time. Same exact thing that was like, we're going to give some of
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our profits to these crazy progressive groups. And it didn't use crazy. Yeah, I know. And
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so it, it, it struggled for a long time, then took off and now is actually influencing elections
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for the progressives. And so these guys got together and went, why can't we do that? Well,
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they're just going through their growth stage. Now the same, same way. You just have to live
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it. You have to say, you know what? I'm willing to, I'm willing to get the same service. I'm
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willing to get all of the exact same coverage and everything else. And I'm willing to put
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up with the switching over because I'm tired of, that's all you have to put up, all you
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have to put up with. And that's a hard sell for people, but it's, even though they made
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it really easy. I know. And a lot of these companies have done the same thing. Um, but it's
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just hard to find them. And you just, a lot of times you don't know about, but when you
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find them, you need to use them. If they really do do the same service or better you, that's
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the way you make an impact. Okay. You got to support the pioneers that are doing the creative
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destruction because without the creative destruction, without the new ones coming up, you're left with
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nothing. You're left with nothing except a losing boycott because everybody's like, I'm
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never going to, and they're doing it the very next day because it's, they like it. They like
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it. If you believe in the free market, then you got to support the free market. You got
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to find those, those entrepreneurs that are doing it and then just quietly use them. I will
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tell you, my daughter has talked me into a lot of things, not by saying a word, just
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by going, you got to be kidding me. Really? This you got and it's cheaper and it tastes
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like this, or it does this or really? And it doesn't have any of these bad effects. Wow.
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Okay. I'm in. That's a really good thing. Solar energy. Once solar energy starts to come
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down in price, we'll all be solar energy nuts. Yeah. As long as it works and it's reliable.
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Exactly right. Yeah. That's the only, we don't hate the environment. It just doesn't work.
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We don't hate Christian movies. They just have sucked for so long. Well, once they start
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to be good and they are, I'm there. I'm absolutely there. Yep. That's improved with unplanned and
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breakthrough, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. That's a proven theory.
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Hey, it's Glenn. And if you like what you hear on the program, you should check out Pat Gray
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Unleashed. His podcast is available wherever you download your favorite podcast. Tell me what's
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the most important story of the week. The most important story of the week is that due process
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in America is once again under siege. And this affects every single person. And I'm trying
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to be the Paul Revere guy here to spread the word that somehow, and I really don't, I can't
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really explain it other than blame it on the media. You know, we don't respect the presumption
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of innocence anymore. Not even at the highest levels of government.
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I was talking to a federal judge while I was on vacation, and he said, we judges need to
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start coming out and hammering our own. He said, I am seeing things now come across my
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bench. He said, where the Constitution, the law, nothing, nothing has gone into this decision
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except what that judge felt was the right thing. And he said, we're developing a country that
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is being ruled by feelings alone. And the rule of law is completely going out the window.
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And I think that's what it is, is where it's just, we do it. We only care about how people
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Yeah. Well, I think it's a, it's a dual problem. You got, you've got the activist judges and
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everybody knows that, that any kind of an abortion question or challenge, you know, there's four
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people on the Supreme court that are going to rule in favor of abortion, no matter what
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it is. And that's wrong. Of course, the other side, you don't really know. You really don't
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know. Uh, you know, Clarence Thomas, I think would be the most reliable against anything abortion,
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but the others, you don't really know. Right. But what I'm talking about is the, uh, Mueller,
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um, he sits there, he comes out, he sits there and this was all about cocktail parties. I'll
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explain that in a moment. But the Mueller thing, he comes out, he goes, you know, I'm a prosecutor.
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That's what I was hired to do. And I, and I investigated two years alleged, uh, crimes and
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I really don't have any evidence. And I wrote a report for almost 500 pages that says I don't
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really have any evidence. I mean, there were occurrences that things that happened, but nothing
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that I can say was, uh, a criminal referral as judge started with bill Clinton 11 times, but I
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don't have anything. So instead of just saying good night, everyone, thank you. I'll, um, see you,
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uh, down the road. No, then he has to pivot and say, but my investigators can't say president
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of Trump didn't do anything wrong. Right. That is so outrageous. That's not his job. That's the job
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of CNN. That's their job. Okay. Not Mueller's job. And what Mueller did was he denied a fellow
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American who happens to be the president due process. Well, he, he cloaked it. He cloaked it.
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It was really fascinating. He cloaked it in the reason why I didn't say that he was guilty of a crime
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is because there's no due process for him. So I care about due process. And in, because I couldn't
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bring up a criminal charge, I'm not going to say he committed these crimes because then there was
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nowhere to go with it. So, but that's false. That's false. I mean, you saw the star report
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and, and yes, they have, uh, clarified what can and can't happen to a sitting president, but you can
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still refer, you can refer. And then when Donald Trump leaves office, then he has to answer.
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Well, but not only that, we all know that if he said, uh, that there was a crime committed,
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then we know the process is then turn it over to Congress and he'll be impeached. So the question
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is, or convene a grand jury. Correct. The problem here is, is why did we do this? If the answer was,
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well, I can't tell you if a crime was committed or not. That wasn't the answer. He just made it up.
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He just made it up. All right. That gave him cover. All right. So then let's get to the real
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reason he did this. So he's a swamp creature, right? Robert Mueller. Would everybody agree
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with that? Stu, are you still awake here? Would you agree? Barely, but yes, I would.
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Mueller is a swamp creature. That means he makes his living in the Washington DC bureaucracy and always
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has. Okay. Um, so he issues a report that said basically exonerates Donald Trump who the swamp
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wants to kill. All right. And so all his swamp friends, they don't like that. So all of a sudden,
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all the cocktail parties and the barbecues and the country club, I'll meet you. We'll have a drink.
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We'll have a little dinner. That all stops. And he's got to get it back. And that's why he did what he
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did. Now, hang on, hang on, hang on. You're crazy, O'Reilly. This, that, and the other thing.
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I'm, this is the primary motivator for the liberal elite in America, socializing, being accepted at
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the highest levels, being seen in the salons. That, that is everything to them. So I was,
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Zach and I are never invited anywhere. Never. So we have to throw that in that we're jealous.
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So, so Bill, let me ask you, let me ask you what it's about. Let me ask you this. I think you're
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absolutely right. In fact, I know you're right on this. Thank you. Um, and I know how intoxicating
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that is that when you are, when you're offered the opportunity to be part of the cool kid table,
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we all know this from high school, it's enormously hard not to turn your back on that one weirdo friend
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that you've had that you actually really like, but is really unpopular when the popular kids
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want to try to include you in their club. That's the mean girl syndrome. Exactly. And you know,
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it gets to the point where this infects and that's the word politicians, judges, especially news people
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on television. Oh my God. They live for that invitation. Um, and it effect infects them so
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that they can't be fair anymore. They have to tilt over to the cool kids. And that's what this
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Mueller thing was all about. Now, do we have time for me to tell you about the phone call I got from
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president Trump the night Mueller gave his address? Yes. Let me take one minute break and then we'll
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come back with that. Bill O'Reilly. This is the Glenn Beck program. Bill O'Reilly, you got a phone call
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from Donald Trump. Yes, because I'm wrapping up, uh, the United States of Trump, my book, my history
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book on him that'll be out, um, on September 24th. And I needed to get one more, um, interview with the
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president, particularly after the Mueller thing, the report and all of that. So, you know, he's not real
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thrilled about this book anyway. Donald Trump is not because it goes way back and, and traces his
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whole life and then explains how he did this amazing thing and how he's sitting in the white
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house and who he really is and how he feels about his country. Really? Okay. So he doesn't know,
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but he knows me a long time and he knows I'm going to tell the truth. Um, but he calls me. All right.
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And it was nice of him to do it because I badgering his PR people going, look, I need to get a final
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interview with him to wrap this book. And he calls me about, oh, 10, 15 at night, Eastern time.
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He goes, why are you still up? I said, I'm like you, I'm a vampire. I never sleep. Um, so I talked to
00:24:46.680
him. Um, and the Mueller thing comes right up because that's what I wanted him. I, my basic question to
00:24:54.560
the president was, since you have gone through this for three years, being pounded into pudding
00:25:02.080
by the media and investigated in this, that, and the other thing, has your opinion of America changed?
00:25:08.000
Now I'm not going to give you his answer because I'm, I have it in the book, but I'm going to tell
00:25:13.620
you that he wailed on Mueller and he said that Mueller is, hates him, uses that word. He goes,
00:25:20.380
Mueller hates me. And I said, why would it, why would he hate you? And, and president Trump said,
00:25:26.680
because when I fired Comey, Mueller called me and asked for Comey's job as head of the FBI. And I
00:25:32.620
said, no, but it goes on back further. The president told me that he was in one of my golf clubs on the
00:25:41.420
Potomac river, and he was going to move out of the neighborhood and wanted his deposit back.
00:25:46.240
And I wouldn't give it to him because if I did that, I have to give it to everybody.
00:25:51.740
And I said, how much was he? He goes, $15,000. And I said, Mueller called you and you took the
00:25:57.380
call. He goes, yeah, I talked to him. And it was a quote, nasty conversation.
00:26:04.840
And that, and he says that Mueller hates me. He's always hated me. And that's now where he did what
00:26:10.460
he did today. Okay. So let me, let me ask you this question. Let me play devil's advocate.
00:26:15.080
Okay. The president has a pattern of saying, somebody called me for a job. Somebody called
00:26:23.920
me for help. And it's not always true. Okay. Well, what do you want me to do? Put him on a live
00:26:31.780
attack? Well, I just want to say, what he said to me, right? I, what I want to know is true or not.
00:26:37.660
That's, I don't know. How can you check it? Um, but the fact that he's saying he would look,
00:26:44.280
let's put it this way. I've known him 30 years. He's never told me a falsehood directly to me.
00:26:51.560
Okay. Ever. Cause that, I mean, that's all I can tell you, Bill, am I, uh, incorrect in believing
00:26:57.200
that this is somewhat big breaking news? Like, like this did, was this known before this phone
00:27:02.160
call? Like I did, I had never heard the story that he asked for the FBI job on billoreilly.com
00:27:07.920
with, which is the premier, uh, website, political website in the country. I'm a member. I know. Yeah.
00:27:13.680
So I, I did, I did do that. I'm a member too, but I always want to give you and Beck, you know,
00:27:19.700
some good stuff for your audience. Um, and, uh, I, I believe they're interested in that.
00:27:24.240
All right. Uh, so Bill, what happens, uh, what happens now? I mean, you were, you were here for
00:27:32.200
the impeachment of, you know, of, of Lincoln's successor. Uh, and, uh, you went through, you went
00:27:39.540
through Watergate, uh, and, and with Clinton. What, what, what, what do we, what is Congress going to
00:27:48.740
do now? Start their own hearings? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. Oh, I hate saying that.
00:27:58.120
Could be wrong, but I don't think so. Why? Um, because the independent voters, if you look at the
00:28:05.720
polling, most Americans do not want this dog and pony impeachment show based upon what we know now,
00:28:12.980
which is, you don't really have anything and the Senate will never convict. So why put the country
00:28:18.640
through this when we have vexing problems that need to be solved and you're not solving them? You're
00:28:23.980
not even trying to solve them. So that's Americans. They want Congress to solve problems. Okay. To put
00:28:32.200
the country in a more, uh, prosperous position. And you don't do that when you're drumming up
00:28:39.540
impeachment stuff. So the only people that are going to prosper from that are a cable TV news.
00:28:46.240
That's all. And I think that the Democrats really are fearful that if they do this,
00:28:54.940
independent voters will turn on the party. They'll lose the house. They'll lose the, um,
00:29:00.600
they'll never get the Senate back and then Trump will be reelected. So I think that's the overarching fear.
00:29:06.040
I said this, um, uh, the day that, um, Mueller came out and I said, uh, don't, don't fear impeachment
00:29:14.520
hearings, uh, because I think that works against. And in fact, if the economy starts to go down,
00:29:22.320
I think that actually would strengthen the president if they were in impeachment hearings,
00:29:27.200
because I remember bill, you know, this is before the blue dress came out. And I thought that
00:29:32.140
bill Clinton absolutely did all of those things and was lying. But there was this moment when he said,
00:29:38.160
I did not have sex with her, not one time. And I didn't tell anybody to lie. And I've got to get
00:29:45.260
back to work for the American people. There was even a part in me that said, wow, I mean, this is,
00:29:52.820
I mean, we do have other priorities. And I caught myself and I'm like, wait, wait, wait. But I think if
00:29:58.740
the economy, which has gone so well, if the economy was going and having problems and they were focused
00:30:05.200
on impeachment, I think that it actually could turn around because Trump would be saying, this is
00:30:12.500
nonsense. You've known it's nonsense and everything that we have to work on. They got me so tied down
00:30:20.660
on this impeachment stuff. I can't do the things I need to do. I think it actually would really,
00:30:27.120
really hurt them. Yeah. I mean, that's the fear of Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party. The other
00:30:32.680
thing is that the cable news ratings this week have not been strong, which has surprised me. I mean,
00:30:40.420
in general, they are deteriorating. The cable news networks are losing viewers and substantially.
00:30:46.420
But I figured, well, this week, you know, with all of the stuff going on,
00:30:51.000
you know, they're going to really go through, you know, go up because Mueller and everything like
00:30:58.880
that. Well, racial matter is getting hammered this week. They're not doing well. Demographically,
00:31:07.020
they're all getting killed. Last night, I had these numbers right in front of me. I'm reading them.
00:31:11.720
Not one cable news show did more than a half million, 25 to 54 viewers. Not one? Not one.
00:31:20.360
That means the folks have had enough, enough. Oh my gosh. Yeah. The two entities that Americans
00:31:31.460
are walking away from right now are the Russian collusion Mueller and Godzilla. Enough with Godzilla.
00:31:38.920
All right. I will take you on. I will take you on and take you down for that.
00:31:45.600
How many monsters have to wreck San Francisco? Never enough. There are never enough.
00:31:54.700
The Godzilla. I mean, look, I grew up making fun of Godzilla. I used to watch them for fun on
00:32:00.100
Saturdays. You were the guy in the rubber suit. I would have loved to have been the guy in the rubber
00:32:04.680
suit. They've always been horrible, but the last one and this one look tremendous. You're not going
00:32:11.360
to see Godzilla this week. Are you nuts? I mean, you were buying Matthew Broderick was running away
00:32:20.120
from a lizard. No, no, no. Not the Matthew Broderick. That's two Godzillas ago. That's two. The one
00:32:26.200
before this one. Brian Cranston. I can't keep track of them back. Oh yeah. Well.
00:32:30.960
There is a Pulitzer Prize winning author. He is, he's not a hack. He is not from the right. He is,
00:33:00.320
he has no reason to put this out or so you would think he would have no reason to put this out
00:33:07.000
about Martin Luther King. If it weren't true, he is the, the guy who is the expert on Martin
00:33:14.880
Luther King. He is embraced by everybody on the left and everybody who's a King fan. This is the
00:33:22.340
ultimate biography of Martin Luther King. He wrote it in the eighties. Now he has just come out
00:33:29.560
with a document that says that the government has a tape. It has not been released, but it has been
00:33:37.000
heard. Well, it has, there's a memo describing it written by the FBI. Right. That he has. The FBI
00:33:44.500
has heard it. Yes. And they trans, they transcribed and summarized it. Correct. And he has that memo. So
00:33:50.020
it hasn't been heard by anybody today that we know of. This is just a memo that is showing what tapes
00:33:57.760
they have on Martin Luther King. We know that J Edgar Hoover was making tapes of Martin Luther
00:34:03.600
King. Kennedy and Johnson were, were spying on King, uh, because Hoover thought that he was a
00:34:10.180
communist and also thought he was very low of moral character. Um, now these things have all always
00:34:17.320
been denied. Well, the moral character one, there's been evidence of, right? I mean, you know,
00:34:23.540
in the story it talks about how they thought he had 10 to 12 mistresses throughout his life and they
00:34:29.380
think now the number is more like 40 or 45. It's a lot. Okay. It keeps you busy. Now, the question
00:34:38.040
that you should ask is, because we don't know if this tape, until this tape is released in 2027,
00:34:45.440
and I would urge for history's sake, that that tape is released if it exists or any other tapes are
00:34:53.100
released long before 2027. In fact, in the next 18 to two years, 18 months to two years, because
00:35:01.160
digital audio deep fakes are not good yet. By 2027, you will not believe your eyes and you will not
00:35:10.140
believe your ears. So any audio tape after, after really 2020, 2022, you're not going to believe it
00:35:18.040
will, it won't make any impact. So if you want to know if this is true, that tape and any other tapes
00:35:25.200
like it for anything should be released now, uh, because we don't have the technology to fake them
00:35:32.560
yet. Why would this guy do this? This guy is a celebrated leftist. This
00:35:39.960
puts him in the outs and you could say, well, he just wants to tell the truth. Okay. Maybe,
00:35:45.400
maybe so. Maybe so. When did he get this memo? Who gave this memo to him? And who is he?
00:35:56.540
Now we know that he's been a, a, a lefty, but what does that mean? In his own words, he is a,
00:36:07.160
uh, what did he call himself? A quintessential Bernie Sanders donor. Um, and he said he is
00:36:15.540
also a democratic socialist and has been at times an enthusiastic participator in democratic socialism.
00:36:26.000
Okay. This is the author. This is the author that has released this information.
00:36:32.040
Why would you release this information? Why would you release this information now? Well, what is
00:36:38.820
democratic socialism? Democratic socialism, uh, for it to come true, several things have to happen,
00:36:47.800
but one, you must destroy anyone who talks about the individual democratic socialists. It is not about
00:36:57.840
the individual. It is about the collective. What is the, the hardest thing for a socialist to get
00:37:05.820
around or any of these people who are, or, or, or talking about social justice. Now, the way it's
00:37:12.620
interpreted today, the biggest obstacle they have is Martin Luther King, because he is still for
00:37:20.880
individual salvation, content of character content. Judge me by the content of my character, not the
00:37:29.000
color of my skin. And I see a day when blacks and whites can play together. Okay. That's his message.
00:37:37.220
Well, that's a very conservative message, quite frankly. Today, especially. Yes. His, his message of
00:37:44.200
America, live up to your founding documents. All men are created equal and endowed by their creator with
00:37:51.360
certain rights. That is not a democratic socialist message, nor is it helpful to those who are democratic
00:37:58.800
socialists. You must destroy that, but you have to destroy it in such a spectacular way. Now,
00:38:06.760
think of this. If this is true, that tape was released that he watched and laughed as a rape
00:38:13.880
was going on as it was going on. If he was saying these horrible, horrible things to a woman in an
00:38:21.460
orgy, is he a guy we have a Martin Luther King day for? Is he a guy we have statues for boulevards named
00:38:29.840
after? That's a really bad guy. If you're going to pull down statues of people from 1800, you've got
00:38:38.240
to pull down a guy from 1960 because 1960 was not about that either. At least that's not what we were
00:38:44.460
told he was about. And I'm sure you can find many civil rights activists that did not participate in
00:38:49.960
rapes. Exactly right. So you could, you can have a holiday still about some civil rights activist,
00:38:54.800
but can you have a holiday for a guy who watched a rape on tape? And laughed? And laughed about it?
00:39:01.100
I don't know if he can. Can you have statues for that person? I don't know if he can. Even though
00:39:07.360
you can still say what he said was good, you cannot hold him up to be, you can hold his words up,
00:39:14.780
but you cannot hold him up to be that guy. What they have to do is destroy him and his words.
00:39:25.400
And that's the problem. They don't just destroy Thomas Jefferson. They destroy his words.
00:39:30.740
Right. And because he was such a bad person, all of his words are disqualified from being positive.
00:39:35.780
Correct. And to your point here, listen to this quote from the author. He said,
00:39:37.840
the new information quote poses so fundamental a challenge to his historical stature
00:39:43.440
as to require the most complete and extensive historical review possible.
00:39:48.920
I mean, he, that is a, I mean, that is like, if this is true, and again, we don't 100% know that
00:39:57.200
it is though. It was in FBI documents and there's apparently a tape set showing that he actually did
00:40:02.980
this. If it's clear on tape, I mean, can the American people stand by and say, allow that to go on?
00:40:09.860
You know, you take a Martin Luther King day, a national holiday.
00:40:13.880
And what does that do for, what does that do to African Americans?
00:40:17.300
I mean, you think Bill, the Bill Cosby thing was jarring, right? Like he hears a guy who's a popular
00:40:22.180
sitcom host in the eighties and, or, or like a, a really popular singer in the, the King of Pop.
00:40:28.060
He had his issues. This guy's like the guy when it comes to civil rights in the United States of
00:40:34.580
America. And, uh, I would say a rape is a violation of civil rights. I'm going to go out
00:40:40.380
and say it. I think it is. Uh, so it's going to be difficult to hold if that tape exists and it is
00:40:46.620
as, as described in this story and multiple others, it's almost incomprehensible. You'd have
00:40:54.720
a holiday for that person. I mean, so here's the, so that is the story. That's the story.
00:41:00.320
But here's the real story behind that. Why now? Who leaked that? How did it get to him? When did it
00:41:11.680
get to him? Why is he an honest broker or is he a democratic socialist, uh, who is a strong activist
00:41:20.460
who understands you've got to destroy him? Is this part of a movement of destroying, uh, all of our
00:41:28.820
heroes and turning everything upside down and inside out? I think it is. I think it
00:41:36.560
is. Think about losing Martin Luther King. African Americans have had all of their heroes taken
00:41:46.340
away. All of their heroes have been taken away. Now Martin Luther King is destroyed, not, not
00:41:56.000
marginalized, destroyed. Yeah. How does that leave the African American looking at history?
00:42:04.380
Is there anyone? Is there anyone they can look up to in American history? Or that a white guy
00:42:10.820
won't destroy, right? Yes. Here's a white guy bringing out all this information with probably
00:42:14.680
white FBI agents and everything else. I mean, it's going to be hard not to look at that. This is not
00:42:19.860
good. No, this is not good. And I just don't know how you ignore it. You know, I don't know how you
00:42:25.520
look at a story like this. If it's true, you can't just ignore it. You can't just. Well, the media has.
00:42:31.340
The media pretty much has. Yeah. I mean, I, there's definitely been coverage of it, but you're, it
00:42:36.060
hasn't been, it hasn't been as big a story as you would think. I mean, certainly if this story came
00:42:40.920
out about some, uh, conservative religious figure, uh, that was, this came out about Billy Graham,
00:42:46.400
right? There were tapes on Billy Graham. Can you imagine what they'd be doing to Billy Graham?
00:42:50.880
Oh my gosh. Uh, and, and I think they just don't know what to do with it. People like Jim Baker for
00:42:56.360
having an affair. They destroyed the guy. But remember, remember, this is coming from the left,
00:43:04.000
not the Democrats from the democratic socialist. This is coming from a guy who says, I'm in with the
00:43:12.080
Bernie Sanders crew. Who did we introduce you to last night with Bernie Sanders crew? What picture
00:43:20.280
are you starting to see about who Bernie Sanders surrounds himself with? You have to watch that
00:43:26.000
episode. If you didn't see it last night, you want to understand this Martin Luther King thing and see
00:43:30.340
how it might fit in. You look at this guy's credentials, what he says about how a big supporter
00:43:36.360
he is of Bernie Sanders. And you then drop in this piece. And all of a sudden you start to understand
00:43:50.560
You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:43:53.220
Hey, it's Glenn. And I want to tell you about something that you should either end your day
00:44:08.000
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00:44:15.360
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00:44:24.600
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00:44:31.620
good friend, uh, and coworker of mine. Uh, Mark Levin, welcome to the program. How are you, sir?
00:44:38.460
Glenn Beck. Good. How are you? I am great. Mark, I have to tell you, I was up on vacation. I bought
00:44:43.180
your book and I bought the audio book and, um, I'm down. I downloaded it last Tuesday. Um, and I'm,
00:44:50.060
I was painting for the day and I put my earbuds in and lo and behold, about five o'clock in the
00:44:56.240
afternoon, I stopped and, uh, I've been painting in my family keeps walking in and out of the room.
00:45:02.400
And as I pull my earbuds off, they're all laughing at me. And I said, what? And they said,
00:45:07.300
we have really enjoyed you today, dad. And I said, uh, okay, how? I mean, we haven't even talked to
00:45:14.040
each other. And they said all day long, we've been listening to you go, uh-huh. Yes. Yes.
00:45:22.020
Finally. Yes. Whoa. Huh? I didn't know that. Wow. And it was all me commenting on your book the
00:45:31.980
entire day. Really, really well written, really well written and a lot of great information. So
00:45:38.360
congratulations on your number one status. The name of the book is Unfreedom of the Press. Mark,
00:45:44.220
tell me, tell the audience why this is not just a, why this is a book that is, that transcends
00:45:52.480
today's politics. First of all, you're very kind. Now you're painting paintings or are you painting
00:45:58.280
the walls? No, I'm painting paintings. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I call them 10-hour memes. But
00:46:04.400
I'll send you some stuff. I would love to see them. Yeah. Thanks. First of all, you're very
00:46:09.260
kind and I very much appreciate it. The question was, I think, why did I write this book? Well,
00:46:16.280
look, the reason it transcends politics is because it's about the Constitution and the Constitution
00:46:22.140
transcends politics. The Constitution's about our rights and our liberties and protecting them.
00:46:28.880
And so, you know, Glenn, I've written a lot about the Constitution and American history and
00:46:32.740
philosophy. And I said, you know what? One area I don't know a lot about is the history of the press.
00:46:38.680
And they're in our face. They're in our living room. They're in our bedrooms. They are berating us.
00:46:44.200
They are propagandizing to us. They're wrapping themselves in the First Amendment. I think I need
00:46:48.500
to get to the bottom of this. And so I did what I always do. I said to my wife, I'll see you in about 16 months.
00:46:54.940
So you have no idea what she said to me. One day when we meet, she'll tell you.
00:47:02.200
So anyway, so that means nights and weekends. And that's what I do. You know, some people play golf or
00:47:08.300
whatever. This is what I do. So I dug in the history of the media. It's not a history book,
00:47:14.420
but some of that's necessary. So we have perspective. We have the Patriot Press before the revolution,
00:47:20.540
before the revolution with the printers, you know, moving the printing presses, being chased by the
00:47:24.620
British. And they were really unique in the original Patriots because they are the ones who
00:47:30.280
push the ideas of the Enlightenment. They are the ones who push the ideas of Aristotle and Cicero and
00:47:35.380
Locke. Right. And they were spreading them among the colonists. And, you know, Obama talks about
00:47:41.560
fundamental transformation. They didn't want to fundamentally transform society or human nature.
00:47:46.420
They wanted to fundamentally transform government. They were living under a tyranny. They wanted
00:47:51.320
representation. They didn't like big taxes. They didn't like to be pushed around by government.
00:47:56.060
They believed in property rights, all these things that you and I and our audiences believe in.
00:48:00.340
And so they pushed a revolution. And the word got out. You know, there were about three dozen
00:48:06.400
newspapers. That's it. There were several hundred pamphlets and pamphleteers. And word would get
00:48:11.960
out slowly. And this information would be published and people would discuss it. They discuss it in
00:48:17.040
their pubs at home and so forth. Frankly, much like we do on talk radio. This is really a unique
00:48:23.120
format because there's really no other national format where this occurs, but they would do it
00:48:27.300
at a local level. And so just to jump quickly, you have the revolution. And soon after the revolution,
00:48:34.800
This is this is the part of the book that I found really fascinating because you point
00:48:42.020
out the people knew when you got the Democratic ledger, you knew what it was, that it was an
00:48:51.420
organ for it was that point of view coming at you. And so you could read the Democrat and
00:48:57.520
you could read the Republican and you'd balance them yourselves. They weren't masquerading as
00:49:06.280
No. In fact, in some cases, publishers and editors were on the payroll of the post office
00:49:11.120
or something like that, depending on the administration. It was a very rough period for
00:49:15.460
the press, but they were very honest about who they were, as you point out. You have papers
00:49:20.020
today, the Arkansas Democrat Gazette, the Arizona Republic was the Arizona Republican. So they
00:49:25.420
were they were full throated about candidates, parties, causes they supported. And then you move
00:49:30.240
through and I passed the yellow journalism period because it's not that interesting. And then
00:49:34.120
you move through to the early part of the last century, the progressive movement of which
00:49:39.060
you're well familiar. The progressive movement was ubiquitous. They they really it is a poison
00:49:46.120
that spread into all aspects of our society. And John Dewey is, you know, one of the intellectuals
00:49:51.960
He focused specifically on schooling and the media. And just so the audience understands,
00:49:58.660
the purpose here, as typical, was to have a relative handful of people determine what
00:50:04.120
news is, digest it, analyze it, interpret it, and then burp it up for the rest of us.
00:50:08.400
You've really you really captured the progressive disease really well in explaining it.
00:50:14.120
You know, it's funny. I was attacked in the Washington Post yesterday, and I love these guys
00:50:17.900
because they prove the point of the book. And I take my time going through their attack
00:50:21.300
on me, which is usually personal. I don't really care. But they do exactly what I say
00:50:26.060
in the book. They are exactly, as I say in the book, because they are who they are.
00:50:30.320
And and and so you have people, Lippmann and others, saying at the time that people are
00:50:35.200
too busy or they're too stupid. So we'll figure this stuff out. This this went on for a while.
00:50:40.320
And then you get up to a few decades ago where on top of that, they added social activism.
00:50:45.640
They call themselves public press or community press. And they've really bought into, you
00:50:52.520
know, Alinsky tactics and these other tactics of the hard left. It's being pushed in journalism
00:50:57.140
school. A lot of these guys haven't gone to journalism school. They come out of the Democrat
00:51:01.480
Party, come out of an administration or this is their mindset regardless. And so today what
00:51:06.840
we're getting on TV is a one party press rather than a two party press that is pushing the
00:51:13.660
progressive agenda and social activism. That's why there's not a dime's worth of difference
00:51:18.760
between most of the media and the Democrat Party today. They're just honest to God. And
00:51:24.780
in the first chapter, I show you the surveys. I show you the research. I show you the professors.
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I show you some of the reports, what they're saying. There's not there's very little diversity
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in newsrooms today. There's very little diversity in reporting today. You can predict what they're
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going to say. The only debate on the left in the media today really is, do we come out and
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say who we are like a lot of them are doing now? Yes. We're liberals. We're progressives. And thank
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God for us. Thank God we know what the news is. Or there wouldn't have been a civil rights movement
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or, you know, climate change issue. So they really believe they are the truth tellers.
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And then the other side, like the New York Times today saying, well, you know, we don't want all of
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our people on measly CNN and MSNBC because they have a different view, which is, yes, we're all
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those things, but we really don't want to admit it. Correct. Because we're the paper of record,
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you know. And they're not. They're just they they live in these circles that allow them to believe
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that they are the fair and balanced one, that they are the well, no, we're just we are the paper
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of record. They live in those circles and they don't they don't care to me. In fact, I think
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they despise most of the people that live in the center of the country or have different points
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of view. And so it's just a self-fulfilling label for them. You are exactly right. Most of them live
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in the same areas, generally, you know, within a 40, 50 mile radius of Washington or New York,
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most of them. Even the new so-called left wing reporters live in mostly blue Hillary Clinton
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counties. Studies have been done on this. They self-identify as either Democrat or liberal in
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large numbers. The last survey showed about four percent identifying as conservatives.
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It's much like universities where faculty hire faculty. So they pick the same ideological
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ideology that people share and take them out of the same Ivy League schools. It's a lot of that is
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the same. But the New York Times I focused on in particular because this is held up as the gold
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standard. And the gold standard isn't worth crap. And I go back and do the history of the
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New York Times during the Holocaust and the history of the New York Times when Stalin was
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wiping out the Ukrainians. And when you look at this, that's the part where my family was hearing
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me go. Yes, yes, finally. Yes. And you know what, Glenn? If you read that chapter, you will never
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view the New York Times the same again. No. The New York Times. And I, you know, I pulled from
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some of the greatest scholars on this subject. During the Holocaust, the New York Times did
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everything it could to bury the Holocaust in the back pages of its newspaper. The New York Times did
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this for several reasons. Number one, FDR wanted to tamp down the focus on the Holocaust. The New York
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Times liked FDR, liked the New Deal agenda. Number two, I'm Jewish. It was owned by a Jewish family.
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They didn't want the New York Times to be viewed mostly as a niche Jewish newspaper. So they felt that
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they really shouldn't focus on the Holocaust. The owner, the publisher, Sulzberger, was sort of a
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secular Jew. And he didn't like these Jewish organizations in New York lobbying him for a
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Jewish state. And that kind of turned him off. And all of that was poured into the pages or poured
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into the mindset of the New York Times. So while the European Jews are being wiped out, whole towns,
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the Jews are missing, it's being reported in European newspapers and eyewitnesses, they would
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have none of it. And it wasn't until 1944, where the vast majority of the American people were
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informed of the extent of the extermination of the Jews during the Holocaust. Now ask yourself this,
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is there any other business that could survive having done that and be called the paper of record?
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No. It is a disgrace. And they come up with these weasel-worded so-called apologies about it.
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And then you look 10 years earlier, they had a guy, Walter Durante, who was their correspondent for
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12 years in Moscow. He was in Stalin's back pocket. And Stalin decides that these darn Ukrainian
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peasants will not buckle to my commune ideology. So rather than shooting one at a time, he decides
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to wipe out the entire population if he can. He cuts off the Ukraine from all communication,
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all transportation, all food and water. These poor people are cannibalizing each other. Solzhenitsyn
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talks about the Ukrainians trying to get into the gulag to try to get some food late at night. They
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could hear them at the gates. A couple of British reporters go in from the Manchester Guardian. They
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see it. They report it. Mr. Durante, on the payroll of the New York Times, said it's not
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happening. You know, they're having a harvest issue. They're just working out the stuff. And
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as far as Stalin goes, you know that old saying, sometimes you got to break a few eggs? That comes
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from him. He wrote that in an article for the New York Times. He trashed the British journalists who
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were reporting on what was taking place. The executives at the New York Times had to know. And you know,
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he got a Pulitzer Prize, and they still haven't given back the Pulitzer Prize for this. This is
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what I point out. So when you see the New York Times when the Hamas is shooting missiles in the
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Tel Aviv, and somehow the New York Times is defending Hamas and trashing Israel. It's nothing new.
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Nothing new. And when they run these Holocaust-like cartoons, oh, they got by our editor. You know,
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a lot has gotten by your editor, as a matter of fact. I want the people to know, that's the New
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York Times. Mark Levin is the author of the number one New York Times bestseller.