The Glenn Beck Program - April 25, 2023


Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Bill O’Reilly & Megyn Kelly ｜ 4⧸25⧸23


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Bill O'Reilly and Megyn Kelly join host Glenn Beck on the show to discuss the Tucker Carlson firing. Glenn and his guests discuss why the firing of Tucker is a good thing. They also discuss the possibility of DeSantis becoming the next president.

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00:00:00.340 Man, what a show. What a week of shows, honestly, this week.
00:00:03.780 It's crazy. Well, it's only Tuesday, so we've only done two.
00:00:07.160 I know. It feels like we've done 12.
00:00:08.260 It does, doesn't it?
00:00:09.120 It does. You know, we mentioned this briefly during the show,
00:00:12.540 but I don't know if there's any place else you can get the sort of coverage
00:00:15.520 on the Tucker Carlson situation from the inside
00:00:18.080 than you got in hour two of this program today.
00:00:20.920 Yeah. We had Bill O'Reilly.
00:00:23.180 He's got quite a bit of experience with this kind of stuff.
00:00:26.140 And Megyn Kelly, and they, you know, they disagree with each other on a lot of things,
00:00:31.980 but they disagree with each other's analysis on what happened to Tucker Carlson.
00:00:36.360 I see the truth kind of a little bit from both of them,
00:00:41.040 but we all have been at Fox, left Fox, and we feel for Tucker Carlson deeply.
00:00:50.620 By the way, they're saying that he's going to run for president.
00:00:52.800 No. Not a chance.
00:00:56.140 Fox does not seem.
00:00:56.800 Not a chance.
00:00:57.920 So you get all your Tucker Carlson news.
00:01:00.520 Also, if you'd like to dump Fox, I mean, I personally think Fox is over.
00:01:08.780 Wait until you hear Bill's analysis of this.
00:01:11.060 Fox is just over.
00:01:11.940 You can't dump your only guy, really, and expect to, you know,
00:01:17.260 be that flag bearer for a movement.
00:01:20.600 So many people said they were dumping Fox Nation.
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00:01:33.200 Try that.
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00:02:37.600 You're listening to
00:02:45.640 The Best of the Glenn Beck Program
00:02:48.420 Hello, and welcome to the Glenn Beck Program, author.
00:02:55.860 We're glad you're here.
00:02:57.120 Thank you so much for listening.
00:02:58.740 We were just, we're joined by Pat Gray.
00:03:00.720 Hi, Pat.
00:03:01.380 Pat Gray.
00:03:01.740 Hi.
00:03:02.520 How are you?
00:03:03.320 Oh, man.
00:03:04.300 Yeah.
00:03:05.040 Glad you're here.
00:03:05.880 Big day, huh?
00:03:06.540 Yeah, I'm giddy today.
00:03:08.240 Are you?
00:03:08.700 Yeah.
00:03:09.000 Yeah, me too.
00:03:09.680 Me too.
00:03:10.060 Me too.
00:03:11.000 I'm giddy, not only because they have silenced the most dangerous man to ever be on TV.
00:03:18.100 Thank heaven.
00:03:18.820 Yeah.
00:03:19.180 What a dangerous, dangerous man.
00:03:22.200 Dangerous man he was, but...
00:03:24.380 I hesitate to even say his name.
00:03:26.380 He's so dangerous.
00:03:27.200 Me too.
00:03:28.440 Well, I will tell you this.
00:03:30.480 I learned from The Atlantic, his replacement is going to be worse.
00:03:35.660 Well, look what happened when they replaced Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck after they were
00:03:41.360 both forced out.
00:03:42.800 Yeah.
00:03:43.160 Fired.
00:03:44.120 Fired.
00:03:44.560 Fired.
00:03:44.640 Thank you.
00:03:45.300 Dragged in the streets.
00:03:46.720 Bloody.
00:03:47.500 Anybody else getting a little sick and tired of seeing that lie repeated even a decade
00:03:52.120 later?
00:03:52.740 Yeah.
00:03:53.280 It really is.
00:03:53.820 I can't take it.
00:03:55.180 Anyway, so glad they got that extremist out, but another extremist is coming.
00:04:00.400 You know it to be true.
00:04:01.520 One that's worse than Tucker Carlson.
00:04:03.360 It's got to be worse.
00:04:03.680 It's got to be worse.
00:04:04.260 It's got to be worse.
00:04:04.280 It's got to be worse.
00:04:04.300 If someone else wins the nomination, that person will be worse than Trump.
00:04:08.860 Yes.
00:04:09.180 No matter who it is.
00:04:10.000 No.
00:04:10.420 Yeah, it doesn't matter.
00:04:10.940 No, they've already said that.
00:04:12.300 Yeah.
00:04:12.800 DeSantis is worse.
00:04:14.540 Especially if it's DeSantis.
00:04:15.740 He's worse.
00:04:16.360 Yeah.
00:04:16.920 Yeah.
00:04:17.480 But if Nikki Haley wins this... 0.99
00:04:20.000 She's worse.
00:04:20.320 She's worse.
00:04:20.660 She's worse.
00:04:21.160 She's worse.
00:04:21.840 He's worse than Hitler. 0.96
00:04:23.080 Yep.
00:04:23.660 Yeah.
00:04:24.020 I don't know where you go from Hitler. 0.61
00:04:25.980 I mean, Genghis Khan was pretty bad.
00:04:27.140 Well, you go to Trump.
00:04:27.860 They've already said Trump is worse than Hitler, so now this person will be worse than Trump.
00:04:31.720 Who's worse than Trump, then?
00:04:32.720 Wow, that's weird.
00:04:33.960 It won't be said until the person wins.
00:04:36.120 Wow.
00:04:36.400 No one is worse than Trump.
00:04:37.640 All right.
00:04:38.020 So, anyway.
00:04:39.600 Really?
00:04:40.120 Yeah.
00:04:40.400 No one.
00:04:40.840 No one.
00:04:41.460 Not Mao.
00:04:43.400 Not Mao.
00:04:43.760 Not Pol Pot.
00:04:44.900 No.
00:04:45.080 Who killed, what, two-thirds of his country?
00:04:46.780 The worst.
00:04:47.200 Idi Amin?
00:04:48.040 Idi Amin.
00:04:48.560 No.
00:04:48.800 Not worse.
00:04:49.240 Darn it.
00:04:50.140 Nope.
00:04:51.020 Wow.
00:04:51.560 Yeah.
00:04:51.900 Genghis Khan.
00:04:52.580 No.
00:04:53.320 Genghis Khan?
00:04:53.920 No.
00:04:54.940 No.
00:04:55.520 Wow.
00:04:55.840 I mean, you talk about being in a
00:04:57.840 fashion reminiscent of Genghis.
00:05:00.820 You're talking Donald Trump.
00:05:02.400 Wow.
00:05:02.680 That is weird.
00:05:03.860 Okay.
00:05:04.460 So, the president did what all, anyone who is running for office, public office, you
00:05:12.380 know, you could go the old-fashioned way of having a big rally and make a big announcement
00:05:16.920 and have people, you know, screaming behind you and it's like, oh, you know, hoopla.
00:05:20.960 He went, I think, the much smarter way.
00:05:24.160 He just made a commercial and released it in the middle of the night.
00:05:29.300 Yeah, sure.
00:05:30.420 Counterintuitive a little bit, but that's what makes this guy genius.
00:05:34.940 Really?
00:05:35.640 That's one of the many things.
00:05:37.380 Many things that makes him genius.
00:05:39.260 So, now let's continue on with his announcement that was released in the middle of the night.
00:05:46.380 Here it is.
00:05:47.040 ...books and telling people who they can love.
00:05:50.220 All I'm making it more difficult for you to be able to vote.
00:05:53.220 Yeah, that's what the Republicans are doing.
00:05:54.940 That's what they're doing.
00:05:56.060 There he is with Kamala.
00:05:57.960 Two of the most popular people on the planet.
00:05:59.960 They're hugging people, sniffing hair.
00:06:02.500 When I ran for president four years ago, I said we're in a battle for the soul of America.
00:06:07.000 Yes.
00:06:07.400 And we still are.
00:06:09.060 They haven't killed it yet.
00:06:10.040 The question we're facing is whether in the years ahead, we have more freedom or less freedom.
00:06:14.440 That is...
00:06:14.920 No rights or fewer.
00:06:17.100 I know what I want the answer to be, and I think you do too.
00:06:19.460 Yeah, he wants it less.
00:06:20.520 This is not a time to be complacent.
00:06:25.520 Wow.
00:06:26.280 This is...
00:06:27.040 That's why I'm running for re-election.
00:06:29.080 Oh, man.
00:06:31.180 Because I know America.
00:06:32.420 Oh, he does.
00:06:32.960 He does.
00:06:33.660 He knows it.
00:06:34.140 He's working class.
00:06:35.100 I know we're good and decent people.
00:06:36.700 Lunchback.
00:06:37.100 I know we're still a country that believes in honesty and respect and treating each other
00:06:41.020 with dignity.
00:06:41.640 Mm-hmm.
00:06:42.580 That we're a nation where we give hate no safe harbor.
00:06:45.880 We believe that everyone is equal, that everyone should be given a fair shot to succeed in this
00:06:50.240 case.
00:06:50.360 We do.
00:06:50.420 Even white people.
00:06:51.160 Thank you for choosing us.
00:06:52.160 Thank you.
00:06:52.240 Every generation of Americans that face the moment when they have to defend democracy, stand
00:07:01.840 up for our personal freedom, stand up for the right to vote and our civil rights.
00:07:06.080 And this is our moment.
00:07:12.400 Oh, there he is running.
00:07:15.240 He was running.
00:07:16.920 He was running.
00:07:18.460 That's so great.
00:07:19.000 I have energy, I swear.
00:07:21.560 This is great.
00:07:23.500 We've got to call a lid at 9 a.m. every day, but I have energy to run three or four steps.
00:07:27.800 No, it was 9-0-3 last week, one day.
00:07:30.200 Oh, wow.
00:07:30.340 9-0-3.
00:07:31.280 He made it all the way to 9-0-3?
00:07:32.380 Yeah, he did.
00:07:33.280 He did.
00:07:34.980 Well, that's a hard work day.
00:07:37.020 It is.
00:07:37.420 He was probably working on this in the middle of the night.
00:07:40.380 Probably.
00:07:40.780 Okay, so that's the special, special ad.
00:07:45.880 Now, let me just, correct me if I'm wrong.
00:07:49.380 I think we're all clear on the Biden strategy.
00:07:53.940 Here it is.
00:07:54.580 Yesterday, you read, he's not giving any press conferences.
00:07:58.000 The fewest press conferences of any president.
00:08:01.100 Okay?
00:08:01.460 Fewest press conferences.
00:08:03.660 So, he's not out there.
00:08:05.460 He's putting a lid on things, as Pat said, at 9 o'clock in the morning.
00:08:09.600 Well, Pat said 9-0-3.
00:08:10.980 I was only going to give him 9 o'clock, but Pat gave him 9-0-3, which was the accurate time.
00:08:14.340 I wanted to be accurate.
00:08:15.160 Okay, yeah.
00:08:16.080 So, here's the strategy, I think.
00:08:19.560 Silence everyone who is against you.
00:08:23.360 Make sure there's no one that can say anything against you.
00:08:28.920 Then, no press conferences, no rallies.
00:08:32.260 Stay in your basement.
00:08:34.080 Silence your own voice so you can't screw it up.
00:08:37.940 And hope Donald Trump wins the nomination.
00:08:43.620 And then you're done.
00:08:45.480 Worked for him last time.
00:08:46.660 Yeah.
00:08:46.880 I think that is the same thing that he did last time.
00:08:49.500 And I think it's going to be...
00:08:50.500 That's the strategy.
00:08:51.220 And the silencing thing is really a huge part of it, where it's not just silencing people
00:08:55.780 like Tucker Carlson or opponents on social media taking AM radios out of cars.
00:09:01.460 Yes.
00:09:01.860 They're trying to do that now.
00:09:03.160 By the way, you should...
00:09:05.060 Congress is...
00:09:06.040 Do you have the...
00:09:07.280 Yeah, yeah.
00:09:08.020 The text?
00:09:09.280 You should let Congress know you've got to put AM radios in cars.
00:09:16.140 This is the way to silence talk show.
00:09:18.980 Well, think about this.
00:09:19.600 How long have we talked about this?
00:09:21.040 Where...
00:09:21.360 What would our country be without Fox News Channel and talk radio?
00:09:25.600 Those two things are under direct attack right now.
00:09:28.760 Yeah.
00:09:29.060 Right?
00:09:29.420 Fox News seems to be changing into something else that is not Fox News.
00:09:32.520 Yep.
00:09:32.760 And they are literally talking about seriously taking AM radios out of new cars.
00:09:39.760 If you want to get involved in this, by the way, you can text AM to 52886 and tell Congress
00:09:46.160 we need AM radio in cars.
00:09:47.980 We do desperately.
00:09:49.880 Again, it's text AM to 52886.
00:09:55.260 It's worth your time to do that.
00:09:56.880 Yeah, they've got a period here of a chance to keep AM radio in cars.
00:10:03.760 This is extraordinarily important, especially...
00:10:07.200 This is the way they've been wanting to get rid of talk radio.
00:10:11.780 They've been wanting to get rid of it since the 1980s.
00:10:15.020 They finally have an opportunity that doesn't look like it's political.
00:10:19.760 It absolutely is political.
00:10:22.400 Period.
00:10:23.300 It's political.
00:10:23.780 The AM radio interferes with the electric circuitry of the EV vehicle.
00:10:33.340 Is that what it is?
00:10:34.400 And that could shut down your car. 0.54
00:10:36.380 It's a lot like if you have your cell phone on.
00:10:38.600 How many times have you crashed in a plane when your cell phone's been on?
00:10:41.580 Oh, man.
00:10:41.800 I forgot to turn mine off one time.
00:10:43.620 And you didn't turn it off or put it in an airplane mode.
00:10:45.080 Horrible, fiery plane crash.
00:10:46.800 Yeah.
00:10:47.180 Over and over and over and over.
00:10:49.180 You see it.
00:10:49.740 And the same thing will happen with AM radios and EVs.
00:10:54.040 Oh, gosh.
00:10:55.380 They don't want to.
00:10:56.980 They just have to for our own safety.
00:11:00.200 Wow.
00:11:00.700 Okay.
00:11:01.380 Yeah.
00:11:01.620 Okay.
00:11:01.860 So we got that going for us.
00:11:03.480 We should also know part of the silencing strategy is silencing his opponents in the Democratic primary.
00:11:08.280 None of them are going to get debates.
00:11:09.360 I mean, again, Marion Williams.
00:11:10.480 He's already said, hasn't he?
00:11:11.480 They're not doing debates.
00:11:13.040 They're not going to do debates.
00:11:14.120 I mean, maybe if Gavin Newsom or somebody who is more of a threat came in, they would do a debate.
00:11:20.620 Who knows?
00:11:21.160 But likely you will get no debates.
00:11:22.960 And you will get very few words from the actual president.
00:11:26.900 He will do very, very little and try to avoid the spotlight because every time he talks, he's a literal embarrassment to all of the country.
00:11:36.260 So this is the strategy.
00:11:38.380 Hide in your basement and hope.
00:11:39.520 And the reason, again, Donald Trump, who, by the way, they had the same strategy in 2016, didn't work out all that well for them.
00:11:46.980 But the idea is everyone's made up their mind on Donald Trump.
00:11:50.660 And there's a good chunk of the country that doesn't like him, as we all know.
00:11:54.220 And the media will be there to reinforce every one of those themes.
00:11:58.200 And they will go down this road with a built-in 47% voting for them just out of default.
00:12:06.280 And all they have to do is pick off a few people.
00:12:08.780 They have to have violence from the right.
00:12:12.180 They have to have it.
00:12:13.880 It's the only thing.
00:12:15.580 Because things will get so bad in the next 18 months.
00:12:19.780 I really believe we are just an event away.
00:12:24.600 Just an event away from collapse.
00:12:28.340 And they're not going to introduce this currency right away.
00:12:32.600 They're just going to let inflation just eat us alive.
00:12:37.380 I was talking to Tim Kennedy yesterday.
00:12:39.860 Did a podcast.
00:12:40.620 It'll be out on Thursday.
00:12:41.840 And Tim and I were talking.
00:12:44.560 And he said, this inflation, nobody knows.
00:12:48.360 He said, in a year from now, when your eggs are nine bucks, it's going to be a problem.
00:12:55.500 And he's watching what's going on.
00:12:58.740 He's seeing that the dollar is losing its value.
00:13:02.520 Overnight, it's losing value.
00:13:04.540 Already, the price is what, tripled on eggs?
00:13:07.160 Oh, yeah.
00:13:07.500 Yeah, I mean, it's out of control.
00:13:10.440 Out of control already.
00:13:12.280 And England is going through this.
00:13:15.120 You know, just the regular British breakfast, which I think has blood pudding in it.
00:13:20.960 So, I mean, you know, you can pass on that one.
00:13:23.300 But I just read an article today.
00:13:25.760 The average English breakfast is off the charts.
00:13:30.160 I mean, if you look at the price of just breakfast over in England, it's almost a straight line up.
00:13:38.280 That just ravages a country.
00:13:41.320 Yeah.
00:13:42.100 And unless they have riots in the streets, that's all anybody's going to be talking about.
00:13:48.260 Oh, and the gas prices are skyrocketing again, too.
00:13:51.900 And nobody's really talking about that very much.
00:13:54.580 So, what is the possible plan?
00:13:56.580 And also, may I just say, when he says there's no such thing as someone else's child, as he did yesterday, I think that's a problem.
00:14:06.380 Let me play this.
00:14:08.560 I could put a teacher's creed into words when she said, there's no such thing as someone else's child.
00:14:15.360 No such thing as someone else's child.
00:14:18.100 Our nation's children are all our children.
00:14:20.660 No.
00:14:21.040 No, that's not true.
00:14:22.660 That's not true.
00:14:23.700 That's the opposite of true, though.
00:14:25.000 Yes, it is.
00:14:27.560 So, it has true in a sentence, sort of, to the truth.
00:14:31.040 Okay.
00:14:31.680 All right.
00:14:32.540 Okay.
00:14:33.100 Yeah, sure.
00:14:34.680 Not true.
00:14:35.560 Not true at all.
00:14:36.360 And if, you know, if you look at where we've been and the things we called crazy back then, in fact, this was said before, this happened to be said in 2013, and America went wild when it was a talk show host on MSNBC.
00:14:55.820 Listen.
00:14:56.000 We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we've always had kind of a private notion of children.
00:15:03.220 Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.
00:15:06.520 We haven't had a very collective notion of these are our children.
00:15:10.100 That's right.
00:15:10.400 Part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities.
00:15:18.340 Once it's everybody's responsibility and not just the households, then we start making better investments.
00:15:23.420 Okay, that is exactly what the president means when he says, you know, it's our collective children.
00:15:31.560 That's exactly what he means.
00:15:33.160 Now, when he said it, have we moved so far since 2013 that we no longer care about that statement?
00:15:45.140 That's the way it happens.
00:15:46.540 But this is, of course, why the strategy is to keep him in his basement and not for him to speak because he says things like this.
00:15:52.960 This is reminiscent of Genghis Khan and also reminiscent of the guy in Virginia, McAuliffe, who ran and got on stage and said, hey, actually, you shouldn't have any input in how your kids are taught.
00:16:04.140 That's the thing you're not supposed to say, right?
00:16:06.500 He keeps saying the things you're not supposed to say.
00:16:09.180 You're supposed to do those things as a good progressive.
00:16:11.960 You're not supposed to admit them in public.
00:16:16.540 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.
00:16:24.460 Mr. Bill O'Reilly, how are you, sir?
00:16:26.980 Hey, how are you doing, Beck?
00:16:28.240 Good.
00:16:28.600 You know, I was talking to you, and I couldn't remember if you said this on the air or if you told me this off the air,
00:16:33.120 but this is kind of what you said would happen if they settled or lost the Dominion case.
00:16:39.600 You said you thought there would be a lot of house cleaning at Fox just because of the monetary damage.
00:16:50.380 Do you think that's what happened to Tucker Carlson?
00:16:53.980 No.
00:16:55.160 It was a look to the future.
00:16:58.460 So, you know, it's a shame that we live in a country where the reporting is so lazy, sloppy, and dishonest because of agenda.
00:17:06.540 That's number one.
00:17:08.100 And, you know, I appreciate you having me on the program, and I appreciate your listeners actually trying to figure out what's going on because it's important.
00:17:18.500 You know, the Fox News channel led to Donald Trump being elected president.
00:17:24.300 That's a pretty strong historical situation.
00:17:29.460 Donald Trump would not have been president if not for the Fox News channel.
00:17:34.260 Agreed.
00:17:35.180 So now that's gone.
00:17:38.000 I mean, Trump doesn't have that.
00:17:39.560 He doesn't have that advantage in this upcoming election.
00:17:45.040 So that's the big story here other than the personalities.
00:17:50.160 Now, shoot me the questions you want to know about what happened, and I will tell you what I know, which is most of it.
00:17:58.640 Okay.
00:17:58.900 So then tell me the story of what happened.
00:18:00.680 Well, the company itself is in turmoil, not because of the Dominion settlement.
00:18:12.160 They can well afford the $800 million because of people like you and me, which made them countless dollars in the past.
00:18:20.980 So they got a $4 million war chest.
00:18:23.080 It was the future lawsuits that led to Mr. Carlson's demise, and he didn't even know it, by the way.
00:18:32.060 He had no clue.
00:18:33.340 So yesterday at this time, 24 hours ago, the Tucker Carlson producers were in their morning meetings setting the lineup for Monday night.
00:18:42.960 So all this bull about, they made the decision on Thursday, last Thursday, or Friday, it's all a bunch of crap.
00:18:50.200 Okay?
00:18:50.540 Well, they might have made that decision.
00:18:53.400 No, they didn't, Beck.
00:18:54.320 Wow.
00:18:54.900 There's only one guy who could make that decision.
00:18:57.160 Yeah, Rupert.
00:18:58.360 That's it.
00:18:59.020 Yeah.
00:18:59.740 Nobody else had anything to do with this decision other than tell him.
00:19:04.520 Agree.
00:19:05.400 Yeah.
00:19:05.800 You should get rid of Carlson.
00:19:07.000 Carlson didn't have a lot of allies because nobody does.
00:19:10.260 There's no Tammy Wynette in television news standing by your man. 1.00
00:19:14.320 No.
00:19:15.140 Okay?
00:19:15.700 No loyalty.
00:19:16.120 If the seas get choppy, you drown.
00:19:19.100 And they'll help you drown.
00:19:20.460 They'll throw you overboard.
00:19:22.980 So anyway, the reason that Rupert Murdoch made the decision was because his lawyers, Fox News lawyers,
00:19:34.580 are saying, we got a lawsuit by this producer who came in and taped everything.
00:19:43.300 So what does that tell you?
00:19:45.300 It tells you she came in with perhaps a plan.
00:19:49.260 All right?
00:19:50.180 Not unusual these days.
00:19:52.640 I'll tell you what.
00:19:53.880 It's unbelievable what's happening in corporate America.
00:19:57.740 But they have a lawsuit already filed in New York City.
00:20:01.400 Apparently, they have tapes that the lawyer for the woman says, you know, we might put them out there.
00:20:08.860 And those tapes do not make the Carlson broadcast look good.
00:20:13.400 Number one.
00:20:14.260 Number two.
00:20:15.020 60 Minutes Sunday night.
00:20:16.200 Who's there?
00:20:16.640 Ray Epps.
00:20:17.420 Hey, Ray.
00:20:18.380 Ray looking at the camera going, hey, Tucker Carlson ruined my life and wrapped my family.
00:20:22.640 It's a lawsuit.
00:20:23.200 What do you think is going to happen now, Beck?
00:20:24.740 Lawsuit.
00:20:25.700 You bet.
00:20:27.020 You bet.
00:20:27.760 Big one.
00:20:30.640 Then you have Smartmatic.
00:20:32.120 You've already gone over that.
00:20:33.160 The other voting machine company, which really isn't that big a concern because they only had one county, L.A. County, that they did business with in the last election.
00:20:42.540 So they'll get paid off, and it's not a big deal.
00:20:45.320 But then they have the shareholders, the people that bought Fox News stock, that company's stock, and they're getting hammered, and they're going to sue people inside Fox News.
00:21:00.220 That means board members.
00:21:01.480 That means the Murdochs.
00:21:02.520 That means all of those people for fraud.
00:21:07.920 And that's going to be massive.
00:21:10.280 It's interesting to me that BlackRock just increased by, I think, 14% their holdings of News Corp, but they did it back in February.
00:21:22.280 Yeah, I don't know if that's a good play now.
00:21:25.760 I'm not sure.
00:21:27.760 And so all of this is kept from the American public.
00:21:33.300 They don't understand the political implication, which this hurts the Trump campaign big time.
00:21:38.380 All right?
00:21:38.740 And the business equation that was made, and that caused the removal of Tucker Carlson.
00:21:46.780 It was, as they say in The Godfather, it's business, not personal, Sonny.
00:21:52.940 Okay?
00:21:53.740 So, Bill, how is this hurting the Trump campaign just because you think that this will really hurt Fox in ratings?
00:22:04.800 No, because in 16, and I was there, I did the first interview with Trump after he announced he was running for president.
00:22:13.860 In 16, the Fox News channel was very favorable to Donald Trump, and the ratings skyrocketed.
00:22:22.420 And he had access to almost every program to say what he wanted.
00:22:26.200 I gave him the hardest time.
00:22:27.660 But, basically, the whole operation was pro-Trump and anti-Hillary.
00:22:36.280 Now, the operation doesn't want Trump to be president.
00:22:41.560 All right?
00:22:42.800 And their viewership, already on the decline, and pretty seriously in the 25 to 54 range,
00:22:53.340 as we discussed last time I was on the program, is going to be a free fall, an absolute free fall.
00:23:02.400 They don't have anybody to put in at 8 o'clock, so that's the most key slot.
00:23:07.620 There isn't one program on Fox News channel that's growing in the ratings.
00:23:12.820 Not one.
00:23:14.700 They have no bench.
00:23:15.980 And, most importantly, everyone who works there is frightened.
00:23:23.240 So, you do the math, Beck.
00:23:27.900 What do you think of, I've heard a lot of people are canceling Fox Nation, because he was a big part of that.
00:23:35.200 Did documentaries, etc., etc.
00:23:37.600 How do you think their online is going to do?
00:23:40.680 Well, all I can tell you is that last night, Bill O'Reilly.com picked up 400 new premium members.
00:23:49.960 Yeah.
00:23:50.720 Yeah, we're seeing an increase as well.
00:23:53.840 I think people are canceling Fox Nation and canceling Fox.
00:23:58.720 I think there's going to be real turmoil.
00:24:01.580 What do you think Tucker does?
00:24:04.380 He's going to make a fortune.
00:24:05.580 Do you think he has a non-compete in play, and if so, for how long?
00:24:12.400 Well, it doesn't even matter.
00:24:13.180 Nobody's going to hire him in the corporate media.
00:24:16.160 No, I know that.
00:24:17.180 He's got nowhere to go there.
00:24:18.340 His non-compete would include anything electronic.
00:24:21.140 No, you can't do that.
00:24:21.760 You can't do electronic?
00:24:23.300 No.
00:24:24.420 You absolutely can't do it.
00:24:26.180 All you can do is direct competitor non-competes.
00:24:28.860 So, what he'll do is form his own agency, like you have with the Blaze and I have with Bill O'Reilly.com.
00:24:39.340 He'll do a Rogan-esque podcast.
00:24:43.180 Yeah.
00:24:43.900 And he'll make a bloody fortune.
00:24:45.460 Yeah, he will.
00:24:46.220 He will.
00:24:47.500 Do you think he'll have the same impact that he had at Fox?
00:24:50.820 Well, look, this is what people don't understand again.
00:24:56.200 The impact that television news has is maybe 60% less than it was when I left six years ago.
00:25:08.880 It's ironic.
00:25:09.560 It's six, almost to the week, six years that I left.
00:25:14.140 Because the balkanization of the news driven by social media and the availability that people can watch whenever they want on their devices has lessened the impact that the cables and the network news used to have.
00:25:34.720 So, yeah, he's not going to be seen on a channel every night.
00:25:39.480 But I could argue that in my operation, since I left Fox News, I've had four number one best-selling books, tens of millions of dollars in revenue for my television operation.
00:25:52.740 I've got 300 radio stations carrying my daily commentary.
00:25:58.220 So, you tell me.
00:25:59.580 Yeah, I will tell you that our footprint now is bigger than it was when we were at Fox.
00:26:06.720 And we're having our best year ever right now.
00:26:11.800 And it's just different because people are – there is no one gathering place.
00:26:19.780 And that's the thing with cable news the way it was before.
00:26:23.520 There was one gathering place.
00:26:25.680 And you would see those on in bars and everything else.
00:26:28.700 There isn't that now.
00:26:30.660 And that's the only –
00:26:32.160 There's still on, but nobody's paying attention to it because it's boring.
00:26:35.800 Look, the reason that you succeed is that you're not boring, Beck.
00:26:40.820 It's not because of your good looks.
00:26:42.580 That's ridiculous.
00:26:43.780 Yeah, I don't know that.
00:26:45.060 Okay?
00:26:46.300 But you put on a program that people tune in to listen to on the radio because they don't know what you're going to say.
00:26:54.180 You don't know where you're going to go.
00:26:56.760 Carlson had that same appeal.
00:26:58.380 So many – most television news presentations, you turn on the show, you know exactly what you're going to get because you get it every night.
00:27:08.440 But Carlson, his talent was that he would come after situations in a different way.
00:27:17.700 Now, if I had produced his program, I would have required more discipline and not – because he got himself into trouble on a number of occasions when he didn't have to.
00:27:30.720 Okay?
00:27:31.180 You just had to do a little bit more reporting and backup stuff a little bit more.
00:27:35.720 But that's just not important.
00:27:37.980 He alienated the corporate media.
00:27:43.820 They got him just like they got me.
00:27:47.240 I don't know about your circumstance, but surely over the years you've had a lot of pain brought to you.
00:27:53.660 Oh, yeah.
00:27:54.440 And that's the bottom line on it.
00:27:56.300 Again, these media corporations, whether it's Fox or CBS, NBC, they have no loyalty to anyone but the bank teller.
00:28:06.900 Okay?
00:28:07.160 Hey, that's it.
00:28:09.860 No matter how loyal you are, no matter how much money you made them, no matter what the circumstances, if they feel you're a liability, it's avalanche time for you.
00:28:25.000 The best of the Glenn Beck Program.
00:28:29.500 Welcome to the one and only Megan Kelly from the Megan Kelly Show.
00:28:35.020 She does on XM Sirius right after this program on the Triumph Channel, 1-11.
00:28:40.660 She also has her YouTube channel that you can watch her show every day, the Megan Kelly Show on YouTube.
00:28:49.080 Welcome, Megan.
00:28:50.160 How are you?
00:28:51.320 Hi there.
00:28:51.940 I'm great.
00:28:52.340 How are you doing?
00:28:52.840 Good.
00:28:53.280 So, I just talked to Bill O'Reilly and his take on Tucker Carlson was that this is because of the threats of lawsuits.
00:29:06.100 For instance, Ray Epps was on 60 Minutes on Sunday.
00:29:10.320 It's not only just to destroy voices, but this gravely hurts the Trump campaign as well.
00:29:18.800 What is your opinion on what happened with Tucker Carlson?
00:29:21.400 Well, Bill and I have had our disagreements, but he's brilliant.
00:29:26.680 However, this is another disagreement.
00:29:28.540 I don't think that Fox would be scared by that Ray Epps lawsuit at all.
00:29:34.420 And I also think all the reporting that they got scared by this Abby Grossberg's lawsuit, a disgruntled, fired, former low-level producer for Tucker, and at one point Maria, scared them even a little.
00:29:49.040 She's got tapes.
00:29:50.180 Okay, what does she have tapes of?
00:29:51.600 People on his staff saying things.
00:29:53.980 Tucker was never in the office.
00:29:55.240 Tucker works from his home, either in Maine or down in Florida.
00:30:00.440 I guarantee you, Tucker's never had more than one conversation with Abby Grossberg.
00:30:05.500 So, she's not going to have Tucker Carlson on tape.
00:30:08.520 And even if she did, Glenn, Fox does not fire people over random nasty comments to a low-level producer.
00:30:16.400 It's certainly not their number one star.
00:30:19.340 That doesn't make sense.
00:30:21.880 Now, Tucker's very controversial.
00:30:24.500 Tucker's in the news every week for yet another thing.
00:30:27.060 It is possible Rupert reached the end of his tether for Tucker.
00:30:30.860 And there are reports that there may be some emails in connection with the Dominion lawsuit that we haven't seen that they have in which Tucker lambasts people like Rupert.
00:30:43.940 I also find it hard to believe that would lead him to fire Tucker because Rupert's been around the block.
00:30:49.920 He's a tough guy.
00:30:50.780 He doesn't offend easily.
00:30:52.040 Correct.
00:30:52.680 But it is true that if they think you're getting too big for your britches over there, they're not shy about sending you a message.
00:30:59.940 So, at the end of the day, do you think that's it?
00:31:04.760 I don't know.
00:31:06.780 I don't know.
00:31:07.500 It's weird.
00:31:08.100 Look, they do have to worry about shareholder lawsuits, which are coming in now in the wake of Dominion.
00:31:12.740 And it's not entirely Rupert's shop anymore.
00:31:15.400 He does have a board he has to answer to.
00:31:17.000 I also think that if they have any desire to sell Fox News, and there's been rumblings about that, especially once Rupert is gone, they're going to want it to be, quote, more mainstream.
00:31:31.140 And getting rid of Tucker would be a good step.
00:31:34.480 But getting rid of Dan Bongino would be another step.
00:31:37.220 Maria Bartiromo might be another one, though I'm told Rupert absolutely loves her.
00:31:41.540 So, it's probably not an accident she didn't go, even though they just paid out $800 million in connection with some of the things she said.
00:31:48.900 So, I don't know.
00:31:50.020 But that makes sense to me.
00:31:51.400 But I'm told by people who are in a position to know, no sale pending, no seller kicking the tires at the moment.
00:31:57.860 Now, there is something else going on.
00:31:59.980 They're going into negotiation for their cable news contracts.
00:32:05.040 I think that might play a role.
00:32:06.900 You know, that always comes up, but it takes a lot for these cable providers to tell somebody like Fox, we're not going to carry you because of the controversial man at eight.
00:32:22.220 I mean, you saw, like, when that happened to OAN, it was a big deal.
00:32:26.960 And that was because the whole channel is controversial.
00:32:30.060 But one guy, I just don't believe it.
00:32:33.800 Tucker's too much of a draw with the audience.
00:32:36.900 And it would have to be a uniform position by, you know, DirecTV and Time Warner Cable and all of these people, which it wouldn't be.
00:32:43.660 Fox is too much of a moneymaker for the cable providers, too.
00:32:47.660 I don't know what happened, but I do believe there's no way it happened without personal sign-off by Rupert.
00:32:54.980 So, you left at the height of your career to go to NBC.
00:33:00.120 I left arguably at the height to start the blaze, which was crazy insane.
00:33:11.480 Tucker is gone now, but I don't think he's going to get a mainstream cable network or show, and I don't think he would want it.
00:33:20.840 But now there's endless opportunities for him to make gobs of money if that's what he's looking to do and to have a real impact, just not with any corporation, right?
00:33:37.100 Yes.
00:33:37.360 He'll be financially even better off once he goes on his own.
00:33:42.180 I mean, I have no doubt of that.
00:33:44.020 If he's smart, Tucker will do a subscription show where he never has to worry about advertiser boycotts again.
00:33:52.260 You know, you always have to worry about lawsuits.
00:33:54.100 You have to say factual, but there's insurance for that and so on.
00:33:57.260 But I think he'd probably do a subscription service, and if he goes directly from Fox, he'll be well-positioned to just crush it.
00:34:03.900 I don't think he'll wind up signing up with a larger media ecosystem, whether it's the Blaze or the Daily Wire.
00:34:11.480 I just think if he does it, he'll do it on his own, just knowing Tucker.
00:34:17.780 But, look, there are certain trade-offs.
00:34:20.240 You and I are in the unique position of having worked at the very, very top of this cable company and then gone off on our own.
00:34:28.580 For sure, your influence wanes in some ways.
00:34:32.800 You know, I mean, I don't know that Tucker's going to have Ron DeSantis personally crafting his Ukraine policy to please Tucker if he's hosting a digital show.
00:34:43.340 Right, right.
00:34:43.980 You know, there's something about the Fox powerhouse that makes a lot of these politicians bend the knee, and Tucker in particular in that role.
00:34:52.740 However, it's also the case that, you know, who's more influential, Ben Shapiro or Wolf Blitzer?
00:35:01.840 Right.
00:35:02.600 Like, we could go down the list.
00:35:04.540 There are your voice, Ben Shapiro's, Joe Rogan.
00:35:07.380 A lot of these voices in the digital space are much more relevant than 95% of the cable news anchors.
00:35:15.240 So, Tucker will have a bit of an influence drop in that way, but he will no longer have to do Fox's bidding.
00:35:23.680 He will be able to cover whatever story he wants in whatever way he wants.
00:35:27.040 And believe me, though the outside world might not know it, there were constraints put on him by Fox News.
00:35:32.180 And there were things that he wanted to say that he couldn't because you're not allowed to shoot inside the tent.
00:35:36.460 And he can be free now to just say whatever he wants as soon as he gets out of his non-competence.
00:35:41.560 I will tell you that while it doesn't seem like your influence is as big, something has happened to me on influence in the last six months.
00:35:53.400 I was at a store before Easter, a grocery store, and my wife said, oh, we forgot this.
00:35:59.380 Can you go back and get it?
00:36:00.900 I had to come back to the checkout counter, and I said I couldn't get it.
00:36:06.020 I was stopped too many times.
00:36:07.620 And my kids have said, Dad, what's going on with you?
00:36:11.280 Because I'm being stopped so much now, thank God, in a positive way because I live in Texas.
00:36:19.200 But you just don't recognize the influence because it's not in one place.
00:36:28.660 Does that make sense?
00:36:30.500 Yes.
00:36:30.820 Well, I'll tell you the other thing.
00:36:32.260 Ben Shapiro said this to me when I was trying to decide what my next move would be after NBC.
00:36:37.560 And he said, you know, which is true, cable news is a dinosaur.
00:36:41.440 It's dying.
00:36:42.460 And only very, very old people are watching it.
00:36:45.260 And he said, if somebody stops me on the street who's over the age of 50 and says, oh, I love your work, I always know they know me from Fox News.
00:36:53.440 And anybody under that age, I know they know me from my podcast.
00:36:56.420 Yes.
00:36:56.760 And I think that's true.
00:36:58.020 I mean, the digital space is for tomorrow.
00:37:00.580 It's much more forward-looking.
00:37:02.480 Cable news has still got some loyal viewers for sure, but not to sound like I'm 200, but the kids today are watching digital shows, YouTube, and podcasts.
00:37:14.260 That's how they get their news.
00:37:15.800 They don't sit in front of the television 8 o'clock at night anymore.
00:37:19.820 That's why the advertising demo is dropping precipitously for all of these anchors.
00:37:24.740 And so I do think for our ecosphere, where you and I now are, it's great that Tucker's leaving Fox, because he'll be another powerful voice, probably, in our space.
00:37:35.340 And it's one less reason to tune into this stilted, let's face it, boring, predetermined way of programming the news that has to please Paul Ryan and Rupert Murdoch and Suzanne Scott.
00:37:52.240 Why do we have to please them?
00:37:53.580 Why can't we just deliver the news the way we want?
00:37:55.500 Well, you and I now can, and Tucker's about to be there, too.
00:37:58.200 Yeah.
00:37:59.160 Megan, one last question.
00:38:00.660 On Donald Trump, Bill said this really hurts the Trump campaign because Fox was so important the first time around.
00:38:09.860 I agree with him.
00:38:11.740 I don't think it's any accident that clearly the Murdochs have turned on Trump.
00:38:17.480 I mean, just read the journal in the Post if you have any doubt.
00:38:20.580 Right.
00:38:20.700 And Tucker was an important voice for, I think, Tucker loves the Trump fans.
00:38:27.900 I don't think Tucker loves Trump.
00:38:29.860 You know, I believe that behind-the-scenes text where he was looking forward to, like, not having to cover him every night.
00:38:35.380 Right.
00:38:35.740 But I think Tucker loves the Trump fans, and they know that at Fox.
00:38:41.680 They don't have a more powerful voice who gets them than Tucker.
00:38:45.440 And I don't think it's any accident they got rid of Bongino, and now Tucker's going.
00:38:51.620 There's not another person at Fox who gets the MAGA core the way Tucker does, and always has, by the way.
00:38:57.140 Always has.
00:38:58.440 Megan, thanks a lot.
00:38:59.840 We'll look forward to your show here in just a minute.
00:39:01.880 If you are listening to us on XM Sirius, the Triumph Channel, 111, she follows this program, and she's always great.
00:39:10.740 You can also get her wherever you get your podcasts, or you can watch it on her YouTube channel.
00:39:17.060 Thanks so much, Megan.
00:39:17.760 Appreciate it.
00:39:18.420 Great to talk to you, Glenn.
00:39:19.120 You bet.
00:39:19.400 Bye-bye.