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00:00:10.620 Now, today's podcast, we've got a ton to cover.

00:00:15.320 Yep, a lot of hosts from Blaze TV are on today talking about their different perspectives.

00:00:19.740 And that's the cool thing about Blaze TV, kind of all the voices from across the conservative spectrum.

00:00:24.340 And if you go to blazetv.com slash Beck, use the promo code Beck, you'll save some money on your subscription.

00:00:30.460 But we had a really interesting group of people today.

00:00:33.340 We had Eric Bolling, Pat Gray, Andrew Klavan, Steve Dace, Matt Kibbe, Stephen Kent, John Miller, Ben Ferguson.

00:00:45.200 And you're going to hear everybody.

00:00:46.740 And it's fascinating to hear the highlights now from all of those voices across the spectrum.

00:00:54.020 It was interesting to see that across everybody we talked to, some people were more positive on the speech than others and the approach than others.

00:01:02.100 But everybody who was positive had one or two things they weren't comfortable with.

00:01:05.480 And everybody who was negative on the speech had a couple things they really liked.

00:01:10.260 You know, I mean, it was interesting to see the different voices.

00:01:12.720 And I think that's kind of, you know, what we try to do today is bring a bunch of different people together to kind of hear all of those thoughts.

00:01:19.140 There's much more in common than a difference.

00:01:22.140 And you'll hear it on today's podcast.

00:01:24.020 So last night, the president gave a speech from the Oval Office behind the Resolute desk.

00:01:45.800 The first time he has addressed the nation from that, he did a, I thought, a really good job, really solid speech.

00:01:53.060 Then Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, which looked like something that, I don't know, came from South Park, quite honestly.

00:02:00.740 They responded.

00:02:02.740 But I want to get with Eric Bolling, who has deep relationships at the White House and possibly can give us some insight on this and get his opinion on the speech and its effectiveness.

00:02:16.040 Welcome to the program, Eric Bolling.

00:02:19.180 Hey, Glenn.

00:02:19.680 Thanks for having me back.

00:02:20.740 You bet.

00:02:21.080 I'm sitting at the Trump Hotel bar last night, as I do every Tuesday and Wednesday for the show.

00:02:27.420 So, and they lower the music, and what's typically on the screens is one CNN, one Fox, one Fox Business, one ESPN.

00:02:38.420 They lower the volume on everything, and they play the speech full volume in the whole Trump lobby.

00:02:43.760 A lot of supporters here.

00:02:45.240 And, you know, it was a few minutes I think he was making his case for what could be, you know, his declaration of a national emergency to get some of the wall funding.

00:02:54.760 So, look, he's, I think he's being told, he's being advised by Kellyanne and Shine and Sarah Sanders, and it is kind of a team advisory panel, about what to do with this.

00:03:08.060 I understand he didn't want to do the speech, and I understand he didn't really necessarily want to go to the Texas border.

00:03:13.740 He feels those are a little bit more, I don't know, photo-op-ish than any substantive action.

00:03:22.380 But he's entrenched.

00:03:24.880 He's dug in.

00:03:25.480 He's not going to give up without a fight.

00:03:27.960 So, tell me, Eric, the story that he had lunch with all of the anchors, and he said, you know, it's a photo-op, and I really didn't want to do it.

00:03:36.640 It's not going to make a difference.

00:03:38.300 Is that story true, then?

00:03:40.720 Well, I mean, I would think it is.

00:03:42.700 I read it as you did, and, you know, we have a room full of journalists, and off-the-record comments tend to become leaked.

00:03:52.400 And so I guess it would be true, but, you know, I tend to agree with him.

00:03:58.060 I don't think last night necessarily moved the needle.

00:04:00.800 I think Trump's base, people who have supported him from the beginning, want to see a wall built and want to see him threaten to shut down the government until they get funding for the wall. 0.73

00:04:10.960 And the people who didn't vote for him or don't like him, liberals or anti-Trumpers or whomever, didn't come to his side by watching that, nor did they become any more emboldened by watching Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer really look ridiculous. 0.68

00:04:25.600 That was weird. 0.80

00:04:27.860 It was just weird.

00:04:29.160 It's a game going around of comparisons, you know, to what they look like.

00:04:32.880 It is actually terrible.

00:04:34.440 Let me just throw one thing at you, Glenn.

00:04:35.720 2019 Request for Foreign Aid Budget, $27.7 billion.

00:04:42.280 That includes $3 billion for Israel, you know, a billion for Jordan.

00:04:46.860 You know, people like me and maybe libertarians like you would say, well, if we're willing to spend almost $30 billion handing out money to foreign countries,

00:04:55.220 is $5 billion, whether you think it's effective or not, is $5 billion really a big deal to protect our southern border, even if a third of the country believes it needs to happen?

00:05:07.540 No, it's really not. 0.95

00:05:09.220 This is a ridiculous, I think this is a ridiculous argument. 0.99

00:05:12.900 And it's coming at a, I think, a ridiculous time. 0.98

00:05:18.880 The time to fight this was, you know, in the first year or two.

00:05:24.220 Now, we're sitting here and everybody's digging in because we're approaching an election.

00:05:30.300 I don't think the Democrats are going to give on this.

00:05:34.400 Why do you have any idea why we didn't fight for the wall like this sooner?

00:05:41.120 Yeah.

00:05:41.820 Yeah.

00:05:42.220 Because you had Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House.

00:05:48.000 And Paul Ryan was never approached from, never saw things.

00:05:50.600 Look, this wall funding, this wall, this wall funding, this whole debate is all political.

00:05:55.740 I mean, you and I both talked about how many times Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Obama, Clinton,

00:06:00.980 Feinstein have all been on record on tape saying that they're for stronger borders and stronger immigration policy.

00:06:06.820 This is all about policy.

00:06:07.960 In fact, you know, Schumer is willing to do $25 billion if he got what he wanted in DACA.

00:06:12.420 So this is all BS politicking and Trump is clearly one of the most hated politicians in D.C.

00:06:19.800 So they're going to hold out on their side until someone blinks.

00:06:23.240 My guess is that I'm going to just go out on a limb and say, I don't think he's, I mean,

00:06:27.640 I don't know that the best route is to declare a national emergency, but find the funding.

00:06:33.240 Find $3 billion somewhere.

00:06:34.700 I mean, we have a $4 trillion budget, $3 billion, they blink and lose $3 billion on some things.

00:06:40.900 Just find it and, or find something where, you know, we save $3 billion on the renegotiated

00:06:47.900 DAPT and guess what?

00:06:48.980 We found $3 billion and Mexico paid for it too.

00:06:52.020 You know, play one of those gimmicky games that politicians on both sides of the aisle have played for,

00:06:57.480 you know, 247 years.

00:06:59.460 So, and then everyone, and then we move on and, you know, TSA can come back to work and

00:07:05.500 we can feel safe flying again and all the other stuff.

00:07:08.180 Eric, have you noticed the difference in the media?

00:07:10.020 I'm struck by when Republicans, quote unquote, shut down the government several years ago

00:07:14.460 over something like Planned Parenthood.

00:07:16.400 The argument was, why don't Republicans just give in on a few hundred million or a billion

00:07:21.480 dollars because we have to get this government open?

00:07:24.160 Now that it's one little thing that the Democrats could easily just give in on and get all the

00:07:28.960 government funded, they, the, the, the, the, the pitch from the press is the exact opposite,

00:07:33.480 that it's the Republicans fault because they won't give up on their one thing.

00:07:37.740 It's a, it's fascinating how they reverse these things.

00:07:39.920 Yeah.

00:07:40.400 But, but don't forget when you're on that side, you go, can't, can you believe they,

00:07:43.660 they, they won't just give up on this $5 billion.

00:07:45.900 So, so look, I think, and this is just, you know, and I'm glad I'm always, I'm a 100% honest

00:07:51.400 person.

00:07:52.020 I think Trump is making a mistake, keeping the rest of the government closed.

00:07:56.400 I think what he should do is open the rest, let, let, you know, Homeland Security fight

00:08:01.480 this fight and, and just let the Homeland, now, honestly, I know what he's doing.

00:08:06.420 He's using the other agencies, kind of holding him hostage a little bit because a bigger package

00:08:11.360 is harder to fight with.

00:08:12.860 But I think open the, open the rest.

00:08:14.920 So we don't have 800,000 people who aren't getting paychecks.

00:08:17.720 Maybe we have 30,000 that aren't getting paychecks for now and fight the battle at, you know,

00:08:21.880 at the border, literally where, where it should be fought.

00:08:25.160 And, you know, it'll, it'll, he'll relinquish some leverage, but it would be more true, I

00:08:30.800 guess, to me, for me, for being a base supporter.

00:08:33.920 That's what the fight's really about.

00:08:35.480 Host of America on the, on Blaze TV every night, Eric Bolling, talking to him.

00:08:43.700 One last question.

00:08:44.660 Do you think the national emergency talk, where did that come from?

00:08:48.340 Because everyone was expecting him to declare a national emergency or to threaten the national

00:08:54.440 emergency.

00:08:55.080 And I was just going to do that.

00:08:56.140 Is that off the table?

00:08:58.020 Is that ever on the table?

00:08:59.500 No, no, I think, no, I think it's still on the table.

00:09:01.360 In fact, you know, a good friend of mine, Jonathan Swan, who's a reporter for Axios, but also

00:09:06.040 has excellent sources inside the White House.

00:09:08.800 I'll just let you know, I talk to the White House a lot, right?

00:09:11.540 I've called them, emailed them the last few days, and I haven't been, no one's returned my

00:09:15.540 call.

00:09:15.700 I mean, I get emails back saying, hey, sorry, we're really swamped.

00:09:18.560 We can't talk right now.

00:09:19.500 So they're keeping it very tight-lipped.

00:09:21.460 But Swan, who's got very good access inside, good sources, says that the national emergency

00:09:27.080 is not off the table.

00:09:28.500 My gut is, based on all the reporting that we've seen in the last, you know, 12 hours,

00:09:33.980 that's where Trump wants to go with it.

00:09:35.580 His advisors are probably saying, hold off.

00:09:37.340 Let's try, you know, nine o'clock news conference, a nine o'clock present address from the OVO.

00:09:42.460 Oh, let's try going to the border to gain some support.

00:09:45.280 My guess is Trump is still willing to pull that nuclear option if need be.

00:09:49.380 And again, he marches to the beat of his own drum, right?

00:09:52.240 They don't listen to anyone else, but he's probably trying, exhausting all other avenues

00:09:56.000 first.

00:09:56.380 So it might happen.

00:09:57.860 You and I, Glenn, I think it's a mistake to do that.

00:10:00.600 I think he'd be better off opening the rest of the government, state, and fight the border,

00:10:04.620 battle at the border with the DHS.

00:10:06.540 Couldn't agree with you more.

00:10:07.860 Eric, thank you so much.

00:10:08.880 Appreciate it.

00:10:09.840 Eric Bowling.

00:10:15.500 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:10:17.960 Mr. Andrew Klavan joins us on the Glenn Beck Program.

00:10:40.620 Andrew, how are you, sir?

00:10:42.000 I'm good.

00:10:42.580 How are you doing?

00:10:43.400 Good.

00:10:43.640 So what was the, what's the view from the state of California where you have your new

00:10:50.280 governor saying, hey, we're going to welcome everybody?

00:10:53.400 Well, that's right.

00:10:54.380 In California, we're going to welcome everybody.

00:10:57.060 In New York City, they're now going to pay for the health care of everybody, no matter

00:11:00.820 what their immigration status is.

00:11:03.180 So it really, it's fair to ask, what is the overall belief that Trump is putting forward?

00:11:08.660 And what's the overall belief that the Democrats are putting forward?

00:11:11.420 Trump made a speech last night that we were told was going to be all lies and fear-mongering.

00:11:16.420 And it was all lies and fear-mongering, but not from Trump.

00:11:18.760 Trump was very direct.

00:11:19.960 He was very factual.

00:11:21.040 He was very controlled.

00:11:22.280 And the Democrats are basically talking this mealy-mouthed, you know, moral language that

00:11:28.500 doesn't have any real meaning when it comes to securing the border.

00:11:31.420 So I think it's just fair to ask, what's the end game?

00:11:33.940 And I think the end game with Donald Trump, it seems to me, for whatever his personal flaws

00:11:38.940 are, he is putting forward a very rational case that a country has a right to control

00:11:43.500 its border, that people who cross the border illegally are committing a crime and more crimes

00:11:48.040 will follow.

00:11:48.820 That's a perfectly valid argument.

00:11:50.800 And that a wall would work, which is absolutely true.

00:11:53.860 What are the Democrats really saying?

00:11:55.820 They're saying, let's do things that won't exactly work.

00:11:58.240 Let's spend money on things that we've shown to be ineffective.

00:12:00.960 Because they want these guys coming over into the country. 1.00

00:12:04.520 They think they're future Democrats.

00:12:06.260 They think that the idea of compassion is going to sell to minority voters who are already

00:12:12.100 here.

00:12:12.780 And they're not really thinking about the good of the country.

00:12:15.340 I just thought it was embarrassing.

00:12:16.820 I thought the Democrats embarrassed themselves last night.

00:12:19.440 And everything is made worse.

00:12:21.080 I mean, this is the big point for me.

00:12:22.560 Everything is made worse by the fact that the corporate media is simply now a spokesperson,

00:12:28.320 a unified spokesperson for the Democrats.

00:12:30.420 It's very hard to have a rational conversation when this immense corporate megaphone is only

00:12:37.700 selling propaganda for one side.

00:12:40.000 I have no problem with there being two parties in this country that disagree.

00:12:43.380 But I have a serious problem when ABC and CBS and NBC and CNN and the New York Times and

00:12:49.380 the Washington Post, under the guise of fact checking, are essentially checking Trump's

00:12:54.460 opinions versus the Democrats' opinions and saying the Democrats' opinions are right.

00:12:58.180 I think that that is so distorting to our conversation.

00:13:01.520 It makes normal people get angry and overreact.

00:13:04.880 And it means that the Democrats can say anything they want and basically feel that they are wearing

00:13:10.520 armor.

00:13:11.100 Nobody can touch them because the press will cover it up.

00:13:13.960 And I just think, you know, for all of Trump's flaws, all the hyperbole, all the kind of playing

00:13:18.900 fast and loose with the facts, he's not half as bad as the press is.

00:13:24.260 And he's 100 percent right about them to slap them around.

00:13:27.820 You know I'm an absolutist when it comes to the First Amendment.

00:13:32.160 I don't think the government should touch the press.

00:13:34.140 But I think the press needs to reform itself.

00:13:36.080 I really do.

00:13:36.700 I think they are being very damaging to this to the country's conversation.

00:13:41.200 I don't think they're going to have any credibility left in a couple of years.

00:13:44.700 By the time we by the time we finish with the 2020 election, I just think it's it's over.

00:13:51.800 There's not they're just not going to have any credibility except for those who are playing

00:13:58.220 the media or I'm sorry, the politics role.

00:14:02.060 If you're if you're on the side of the Democrats and you are really actively engaged in in that,

00:14:11.380 you'll you'll gravitate towards the press still.

00:14:14.200 But I don't know anybody who's watching it anymore.

00:14:16.820 Do you, Andrew?

00:14:17.920 You know, I do know when I when I go to New York and I talk to liberals, I talk to my family.

00:14:23.060 They were very liberal.

00:14:24.020 I always whenever I read The New York Times now, I find myself thinking, who believes that?

00:14:27.920 And then I remember I know people who believe it, you know, pick up The New York Times and

00:14:32.100 think this is the news or as they used to say, this is the way it is.

00:14:36.020 And it really is shameful.

00:14:37.960 I mean, I was looking at their fact check of the president's speech and it was everything

00:14:42.140 they could do to pick out some little thing that wasn't exactly 100 percent what they

00:14:47.680 would say it was and then call him alive.

00:14:50.000 I mean, The Washington Post was running headlines that said things like, well, he says there are

00:14:54.980 hundreds of thousands of criminals coming over.

00:14:56.720 But really, they're being charged with all kinds of crimes.

00:14:59.280 So it has to be put into context.

00:15:00.960 I thought, no, it doesn't.

00:15:02.660 He was just telling the truth.

00:15:04.580 You know, you can slam.

00:15:05.860 It's so easy to slam Trump because of the way he speaks in the loose way he speaks with

00:15:09.580 facts.

00:15:10.120 But when he's doing a good job and the press doesn't say, yeah, that was that speech was

00:15:14.540 pretty much accurate and expressed his point of view.

00:15:16.620 And here's the other point of view. 0.99

00:15:17.740 They just make fools of themselves. 0.96

00:15:19.980 I think I think, Andrew, that, you know, it's it's it's like if you talk to somebody 0.98

00:15:27.540 who says McDonald's makes nothing good, there's just nothing good.

00:15:33.500 And you say, hang on just a second.

00:15:37.280 Have you had their French fries?

00:15:38.780 Yes.

00:15:39.160 And they're horrible.

00:15:40.320 I just just dismiss them.

00:15:42.180 You can say, oh, my gosh, this is horrible and this is horrible.

00:15:45.840 But they make a great French fry.

00:15:48.240 Then you have credibility.

00:15:49.680 They will.

00:15:50.240 The press will never, ever give, in this case, Donald Trump, the McDonald's of presidents

00:15:56.640 the credit for French fries when he makes something right.

00:16:01.880 When he does something good, they still decimate him.

00:16:06.200 And they're posing as the kind of voice of the conscience of America.

00:16:10.080 They're posing as the people who deliver the facts to America.

00:16:13.460 And, you know, when whenever I hear right wingers go over the line and start to say angry stuff

00:16:19.720 and start to overreact to the way they see the world, I just know it's because they are

00:16:23.840 surrounded.

00:16:24.800 They're surrounded by this noise that the press throws up of Democrat talking points.

00:16:29.820 And what you know, why shouldn't it make people crazy?

00:16:32.060 Why shouldn't 64 million people people go out and just say, you know what?

00:16:35.900 I'm sending a guy to Washington who's going to tell these people where to stick it.

00:16:39.940 So, you know, why shouldn't they feel like that?

00:16:41.740 Did you did you see anybody fact check the fact that the president wants a border wall

00:16:48.920 that is expensive and ineffective?

00:16:51.640 That's what they said.

00:16:53.000 Expensive and ineffective.

00:16:54.940 Well, if it's expensive at five billion, why did a year ago Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and the Democrats

00:17:02.920 offer 30 billion dollars in border security for the wall itself?

00:17:09.860 Did you hear anybody point that out that nobody pointed it out?

00:17:14.240 In fact, they tried in The New York Times, they tried to make it sound as if Trump were exaggerating when he said

00:17:19.880 Chuck Schumer has supported a wall numerous times.

00:17:22.580 He has.

00:17:23.280 So is Nancy Pelosi.

00:17:24.460 So did Barack Obama.

00:17:25.620 So did Dianne Feinstein.

00:17:26.840 They have all been in favor of some kind of barrier.

00:17:30.880 Why?

00:17:31.220 Because when you put up a wall, it keeps people out.

00:17:33.940 It works every time.

00:17:35.260 It's so simple and so basic.

00:17:37.440 And it's just the fact that it's Trump's promise.

00:17:40.360 They really are just now so deranged by the presence of Trump. 0.96

00:17:44.220 He has driven them all so insane that they will.

00:17:47.080 Seriously, if he said that he liked air, they would stop breathing.

00:17:51.660 I spoke.

00:17:52.240 They've really gone that far.

00:17:53.160 Last question.

00:17:54.100 I spoke to Eric Bolling this morning, who has a lot of connections in the White House.

00:18:01.300 He said that he believes it's true that the president thought this would be ineffective,

00:18:07.880 was only doing this because Shine and everybody else told him to.

00:18:11.380 He said he believes he's going to use the national emergency, which Eric said, I was surprised by this, was wrong.

00:18:19.160 And he didn't want that to happen.

00:18:21.220 Do you buy into that?

00:18:23.340 And should the president use emergency powers?

00:18:27.300 Well, I don't think he should.

00:18:29.160 But it's really amazing how much of the news about Trump is news about what the news people think that Trump is going to do.

00:18:36.820 A lot of the sources talking from the Oval Office are people who think they're smarter than the president. 0.98

00:18:42.140 You know, they're the typical kind of underling who thinks that their boss who works on his gut is an idiot where they went to a good school and they really know the truth. 1.00

00:18:51.240 And they're leaking out stuff saying, now, Trump is a fool. 1.00

00:18:53.460 Trump is this and that. 1.00

00:18:54.860 Trump has a good gut.

00:18:56.080 He actually does have a good sense of what he can do politically and what should be done politically.

00:19:01.700 He's pretty good at that, you know, despite the fact of the way he talks.

00:19:05.680 And I'm just really, really distrustful of source news out of the Oval Office right now.

00:19:10.760 I think it is very distorted and the press is very gullible with it.

00:19:15.180 Andrew Klavan from DailyWire.com.

00:19:17.380 You can watch him every day.

00:19:19.240 It's always good to talk to you, Andrew.

00:19:21.080 Love talking to you, Glenn.

00:19:21.920 Thanks a lot.

00:19:22.180 Thank you.

00:19:22.420 You bet.

00:19:22.740 Bye-bye.

00:19:40.760 Hi, it's Glenn.

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00:19:54.620 Ben Ferguson now.

00:19:56.200 Ben Ferguson joins us on the Glenn Beck program.

00:19:59.360 How you doing, Ben?

00:20:00.620 Good morning, sir.

00:20:01.640 How are you?

00:20:02.300 I'm good.

00:20:02.960 So I'm anxious to hear what a millennial thinks about the president's speech last night

00:20:11.180 and how you believe this is being processed today.

00:20:15.280 Did it make any difference?

00:20:17.280 I think it can make a small difference.

00:20:19.520 I think what the president needs to do now is actually more important than last night.

00:20:23.980 Last night was a reminder of the country, a reconnect of the country about what this issue

00:20:28.420 is about.

00:20:28.780 It's not just about an identity wall with Trump's name on it, which is Democrats have

00:20:34.620 done a brilliant job of turning this issue into, that this is about his ego.

00:20:38.840 It's about his obsession with the wall.

00:20:40.660 It's about Donald Trump.

00:20:42.620 And what the president did lay out last night, I thought, was actually really smart.

00:20:46.480 He talked about how this is an issue for safety, especially of women.

00:20:50.920 Remember, conservatives need to challenge Democrats on this.

00:20:54.400 Democrats have, for my entire lifetime, said they are the party of women. 0.92

00:20:58.000 Women are being abused at the border.

00:21:00.240 One in three are sexually assaulted coming into this country. 0.98

00:21:03.180 Women are being abused, illegal immigrants and American citizens, by illegal immigrants 1.00

00:21:07.600 in this country.

00:21:08.500 And I think the president needs to take it to the Democrats on that and say, where are

00:21:12.240 you?

00:21:12.480 You're the party that claims that you always are right on women's rights. 0.99

00:21:16.580 How are you not protecting these women?

00:21:18.520 I think the second thing the president mentioned last night, which he needs to now really go

00:21:22.340 sell the American people, especially when he's at the border, is the issue of drugs.

00:21:26.100 You look at drugs in this country, and there are a lot of undecided, middle-of-the-road people 0.99

00:21:33.120 that aren't hard Trump supporters or hard Democrat supporters that have been affected by family

00:21:37.780 members who have died of overdoses of drugs, fentanyl, cocaine, heroin.

00:21:43.560 All of those are coming across our southern border.

00:21:45.880 And I think that's an issue where the president can win big time with younger people, millennials,

00:21:49.780 and with people that maybe don't pay that much attention to politics and say, this is

00:21:55.600 not, take me out of it.

00:21:57.480 Take my name off this wall.

00:21:59.460 This is not about a wall.

00:22:00.980 This is about drugs.

00:22:02.380 This is about overdoses.

00:22:04.060 This is the same issue that I talked about with prison reform and actually appeal to people

00:22:09.520 on that issue.

00:22:10.320 And then the last one is, I think the president needs to talk about the hypocrisy and expand

00:22:15.420 on it even more of how Democrats are now somehow obsessed with these 800,000 government workers

00:22:20.500 who are not going to get paid right now.

00:22:23.240 Mass majority of them, if not all of them, are going to get paid for not working during

00:22:26.880 this time when they're on furlough.

00:22:28.600 They're going to get their money back.

00:22:30.060 That doesn't happen in the real world, by the way. 0.90

00:22:31.980 But the hypocrisy of the Democrats on this economic issue.

00:22:36.100 Democrats don't care about the American worker. 1.00

00:22:38.440 If they did, they would have been fighting to secure the border so that Americans would 1.00

00:22:42.520 not be underpaid and undercut by illegal immigrant work.

00:22:45.780 That those that are not fully employed, but part-time employed, because they're undercut

00:22:50.720 by illegal immigrant workers, they would have been protecting and defending them.

00:22:53.980 They would have been protecting and defending the American workers who have lost jobs because

00:22:57.400 of illegal immigrant workers.

00:22:59.240 I mean, these are issues that have nothing to do with just the flat, simple issue of millions

00:23:04.120 of people coming across the border illegally and how we need this wall.

00:23:07.320 And I think the president's now got to go out there.

00:23:09.520 He's got to sell it and break it down into these categories, because when you do that,

00:23:14.600 it basically brings new attention to the issue or reminder of what is coming across the border.

00:23:21.360 And then it's not just Trump and his, quote, wall.

00:23:24.020 And again, I give credit to the Democrats.

00:23:25.920 They've done a fabulous job of turning this into an ego-driven idea, when in reality, it's

00:23:32.760 the idea that got the president to the White House.

00:23:34.700 And it's an idea that Democrats themselves, Bill Clinton, Obama, Hillary Clinton, I mean,

00:23:40.080 even you've seen the videos, you've heard the audio, Glenn, of Schumer, hardcore on illegal

00:23:45.960 immigration reform.

00:23:47.240 The only thing that changed is that Donald Trump is now in favor of the wall, and the

00:23:51.900 Democrats hate Donald Trump.

00:23:53.440 And anything Donald Trump's in favor of, the Democrats will oppose.

00:23:57.340 I'm talking to Ben Ferguson from BlazeTV.com.

00:24:01.320 You can see his show on the Blaze TV.

00:24:05.060 Ben, what do you think the right approach is here when you're selling this to America?

00:24:08.460 Because, you know, there's a couple stats between the overdoses being more than the

00:24:13.480 Vietnam War deaths in a year.

00:24:15.100 I mean, that's a fascinating stat.

00:24:16.440 You brought up the one in three women who are being brought here are sexually assaulted

00:24:21.020 on these journeys, illegally crossing the border.

00:24:23.140 Or what is the what's the argument that connects with America so they don't see this as a part

00:24:27.720 as a partisan issue?

00:24:29.400 Yeah, I think the president needs to take this to the local level.

00:24:32.260 And I think he needs to go to these states, each one of these border states.

00:24:37.100 And I think he needs to have town halls.

00:24:39.380 I remember Barack Obama doing them brilliantly, where you bring in people that have been affected

00:24:44.420 by the issue that you're talking about.

00:24:45.780 He did this with health care reform and take himself out of it and bring the governors up

00:24:50.840 and bring the congressmen and the mayors and the sheriffs up.

00:24:54.580 I would even argue do the same type of town hall that CNN did after the shooting and the

00:24:58.700 school shooting in Florida.

00:25:00.300 Have the local people that are affected the most and highlight them.

00:25:04.060 That's how you sell this, because I do believe that if the president wants to get this done,

00:25:08.480 he's got to be very strategic about taking himself and his personality out of this,

00:25:13.620 because the Democrats, again, they have played this brilliantly, that this wall is only about

00:25:19.240 Donald Trump's ego.

00:25:21.220 It's nothing else.

00:25:22.780 And he needs to let other people's stories shine here and talk about this.

00:25:26.960 I mean, look, in 2018, you had over 17,000 adults arrested at the border who had prior

00:25:32.260 criminal records, including over 6,000 gang members.

00:25:36.160 You have to highlight those people that were affected by MS-13.

00:25:39.220 You have to highlight the people that are affected that lost loved ones, just like that

00:25:43.920 police officer in California the night after, you know, we celebrated Christmas.

00:25:48.580 I mean, and you talk about ICE, for example.

00:25:52.220 Cortez last night was on MSNBC saying that ICE agents are what's wrong with this country and

00:25:57.700 they're actually human rights abusers.

00:26:00.460 Well, those human rights abusers, those ICE agents, in 17 and 18 alone, 100,000 arrests for

00:26:06.340 assault, 30,000 arrests for sex crimes alone, and that's not the only thing they talk about.

00:26:12.420 4,000 arrests for murder, and that's only the people that we caught.

00:26:15.880 So the president goes out there, sells this to the American people that way.

00:26:19.560 That's how you're going to connect.

00:26:22.620 I talked to Eric Bowling about an hour ago, and he said that he thought the president was

00:26:30.020 going to use emergency powers.

00:26:33.180 He didn't believe in this approach, and he was just doing this to get it done, to check

00:26:39.040 the box, and he was going to use the emergency powers.

00:26:43.500 Talk to me a little bit about emergency powers.

00:26:46.040 Is that a good idea, a bad idea?

00:26:47.760 And also, does the government shutdown continue for very much longer?

00:26:55.100 Yeah, well, two things.

00:26:56.740 I think, one, that last night not proposing the emergency powers was actually a smart move.

00:27:03.220 There's still work to be done on selling the American people that there is a crisis and

00:27:07.720 an emergency at the border.

00:27:09.000 So I think the president laid the groundwork, the framework, the foundation for that possibility.

00:27:16.840 I also don't think that you do it yet because we're not far enough into a government shutdown

00:27:21.760 where people are starting to say, get it open at all costs.

00:27:25.160 I think we're still very divided in this country on this.

00:27:28.400 I actually personally like the government shutdown.

00:27:31.000 I think the longer it goes on, the more it shows the American people how bloated the federal

00:27:36.120 government actually is.

00:27:37.520 I mean, remember, we're not talking about a total government shutdown.

00:27:39.840 We're talking about a partial shutdown.

00:27:41.860 We can have this thing go through September, and the mass majority of the actual functions

00:27:46.620 of the government that we do mostly need are going to be running.

00:27:50.060 So I think the president keeps it going.

00:27:56.640 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program, and don't forget, rate us on iTunes.

00:28:07.960 Steve Dace, who follows us on Blaze TV and Blaze Radio Network, joins us now from Blaze TV to

00:28:17.180 give us his opinion on what he thought of Donald Trump's speech last night and Nancy and Chuck

00:28:25.540 and what the fallout or effect is going to be.

00:28:28.520 Steve, welcome.

00:28:30.100 Morning, Glenn.

00:28:30.760 How are you, man?

00:28:31.380 I'm good.

00:28:31.860 I'm good.

00:28:33.360 So what I thought happened last night was essentially the 2016 election in a nutshell.

00:28:38.820 I thought at the beginning of the speech, I kind of felt like sometimes you have those

00:28:45.280 feelings like I still can't believe the guy from The Apprentice is president, you know?

00:28:48.840 And I watched it on Fox, and it looked like Fox's camera angle was off, so it looked like

00:28:55.340 he was talking over my shoulder, and he was hurry.

00:28:58.680 He was kind of running through the content.

00:29:01.160 And I'm like, oh, no.

00:29:02.320 Oh, no.

00:29:02.700 Again, he can't handle the trappings of the office.

00:29:06.320 But then there was a pivot point.

00:29:08.340 And the pivot point began when he started using personal testimonials of Americans harmed

00:29:12.600 by illegal immigration.

00:29:14.260 And then he started dropping illegal alien, which gets you shadow banned on social media

00:29:19.320 for using the legal term nowadays.

00:29:22.060 And then so it started ratcheting up.

00:29:25.400 And the crescendo pivot, the piece de resistance, is when he went to the card of wealthy politicians

00:29:31.860 have fences and walls, not because they hate the people outside, but they love the people

00:29:36.440 inside.

00:29:37.460 And the last third of that speech was the argument of moral certainty and out of the details of

00:29:44.120 how many people have been arrested and how much brick and straw and mortar to use.

00:29:48.140 And he got to the premise of his argument.

00:29:51.040 And then the Democrats presented a face.

00:29:54.500 This is why they keep covering him so much.

00:29:56.480 It's why we had so much time during the general election, Glenn, when it looked like Hillary wasn't

00:30:00.520 even running, because they know on his own he's not a likable character.

00:30:04.780 But given an unlikable foil, and he is a devastating political weapon, and all they needed was Nancy

00:30:11.940 Pelosi and Chuck Schumer last night looking like they swapped and shared eye shadow before

00:30:16.880 the game began, and it was over.

00:30:19.100 It was basically a replay of 2016, just swap out Hillary Clinton for Schumer and Pelosi.

00:30:24.160 Why, in your wildest dreams, would you have selected Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer to stand in a

00:30:33.140 narrow hallway that looked like it was a hallway to a bathroom, standing at a podium, the two

00:30:40.420 of them shoulder to shoulder? 0.98

00:30:42.280 It looked ridiculous. 0.99

00:30:44.420 They were awful at it. 0.99

00:30:47.100 Why would you pick those two?

00:30:48.740 Well, the problem that Democrats have, you know, and they have an establishment and a

00:30:53.740 swamp and a base and activists, just like the Republicans do, and they're in a generational

00:30:58.420 transition.

00:30:59.640 You know, we played a clip yesterday on our Blaze show of Whoopi Goldberg going off on

00:31:03.460 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and I channeled Kevin Nealon's subliminal man from SNL back in

00:31:09.000 the day to show our audience that she's not really talking about know your role and know

00:31:13.880 your place.

00:31:14.360 She's upset that Ocasio-Cortez is earnestly and idealistically trying to front sell the

00:31:20.840 country on becoming Sweden.

00:31:22.840 And what she's really telling her is, we've got to lie better than that.

00:31:25.760 We have to race bait better than that.

00:31:27.740 We can't sell this thing whole cloth as an upfront product, because while most of the

00:31:31.960 country is not conservative, it ain't communist yet either.

00:31:34.260 So we can't win that argument.

00:31:35.860 And so the Democrats are in this generational vortex, where people like Ocasio-Cortez are not

00:31:40.780 yet ready for leadership.

00:31:42.440 They're not yet ready for prime time, and the country's not yet ready for them to sell

00:31:46.540 us the jalopy.

00:31:48.660 And so they need to bring Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, the dinosaurs, out to keep trying

00:31:53.420 to sell the undercoating instead.

00:31:55.060 So they're in this no man's land.

00:31:57.060 And that's why I wrote recently that the 2020 election outcome, barring some bombshell from

00:32:02.820 Mueller we have yet to see, barring that, the 2020 election outcome is already spoken

00:32:07.740 for, either the Democrats will nominate someone who is likable, a Joe Biden, a Beto O'Rourke,

00:32:14.100 somebody like that, or they will nominate one of these Marxists that wants, either they

00:32:18.240 want to beat Trump or they want to convince America to become Sweden.

00:32:21.060 If they want to convince America to become Sweden, he's going to troll the Sam Hill out 0.99

00:32:25.160 of them all the way to Election Day.

00:32:26.420 If they nominate somebody who's far more likable on television as a contrast to him, then I

00:32:31.420 think you'll see a replay of what we just saw in the November House election.

00:32:36.060 I, you know, I wonder, however, if the American people aren't, the millennials at least, aren't 0.51

00:32:42.680 ready for someone to say, you know what, this just doesn't work.

00:32:47.960 I mean, I talked about this on Fox.

00:32:49.820 I said, the masks are going to come off and they're going to say, okay, yes, yes, I am

00:32:55.520 a socialist.

00:32:56.280 Yes, I do believe in this because capitalism doesn't work and we're there now and they're

00:33:02.840 saying those things.

00:33:04.480 Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, they're not, but those old horses don't run anymore.

00:33:11.020 They just don't run.

00:33:12.620 They don't connect.

00:33:13.580 You, I looked at Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer last night and I thought, completely out of

00:33:20.620 touch.

00:33:21.620 They don't even look real.

00:33:23.520 Nancy Pelosi doesn't.

00:33:24.840 She looks like, you know, Walt Disney was called up from the freezer to keep her going.

00:33:31.220 It's bizarre.

00:33:34.020 You're right that the millennials are, but, you know, here's the difference.

00:33:37.660 This is where you look at the Senate election we just had, because those are statewide elections.

00:33:42.240 You know, I was actually on MSNBC once where Ed Rendell tried to make the case Republicans

00:33:46.740 had just won the Senate from the Democrats because of gerrymandering.

00:33:50.420 Okay.

00:33:50.680 I mean, no, there's statewide elections.

00:33:52.980 Okay.

00:33:53.900 All right.

00:33:54.600 That's not how that word works.

00:33:56.220 That's not at all how that word works.

00:33:58.280 Yes.

00:33:58.760 So statewide elections, what you just saw is in a very favorable environment, Democrats didn't

00:34:04.520 pick up any seats in the Senate, meaning in terms of a net gain.

00:34:07.920 All right.

00:34:08.320 They didn't pick up a net gain.

00:34:09.740 And what that matters for a presidential election is that's what presidential elections are.

00:34:14.300 They're higher turnout Senate elections, 50 of them all over the country.

00:34:18.460 And so the demographics are in favor of the Democrats just being openly and honest about,

00:34:24.260 hey, we're all Marxists now in 2028, 2032.

00:34:28.400 That's why I've said on our show all along, if we don't see moral and spiritual great awakenings

00:34:32.180 like we saw in the 17th and 19th centuries, you'll see liberty die in America because we

00:34:37.620 are heading towards that demographic apocalypse.

00:34:39.740 I agree.

00:34:40.460 But we aren't there quite yet.

00:34:43.080 And so we're not having the 2028 election yet.

00:34:45.280 We're having the 2020 election.

00:34:46.980 And there are still enough people that live in rural places or live in places like Iowa

00:34:51.420 where I live now that still kind of respond to the old time religion, for lack of a better

00:34:58.320 phrase.

00:34:58.680 And so they're trying to figure out when can we give you guys the full Monty or and how

00:35:04.220 much longer do we just have to show you a little slip of the leg?

00:35:07.780 And that's what's going on in the Democratic Party.

00:35:09.700 Do you think the average Democrat, they may not like Donald Trump, but the average Democrat

00:35:15.300 is listening in the heartland and they see Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and they say,

00:35:22.180 hey, wait a minute, I mean, you guys don't believe any of this stuff.

00:35:26.780 You know, I mean, like, for instance, last night I watched Donald Trump and I was actually

00:35:31.780 really, really pleased and happy with his speech, not necessarily his delivery.

00:35:38.900 I watched him with frustration, like I used to watch George Bush with frustration going,

00:35:44.640 oh, jeez, man, please, you know.

00:35:47.620 And so I had that frustration that he wasn't doing a good job delivering.

00:35:52.160 We never seem to have somebody who can deliver a speech since Reagan.

00:35:56.040 Do you think that the Democrats at least feel that when it comes to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck

00:36:03.520 Schumer, or do you believe that they were effective?

00:36:07.360 What I think is fascinating about the transition of the Democratic Party is in the Republican

00:36:12.640 Party, it's the Republican base versus the leadership.

00:36:14.920 It used to be called conservatives, moderates.

00:36:16.960 It then became Tea Partiers Establishment, but really it's about the base versus the party

00:36:21.620 and leadership and donor class.

00:36:23.620 In the Democratic divide, they have that, but then there are also two different Democratic

00:36:28.100 bases.

00:36:29.000 There is the Democratic base that the Joe Bidens of the world grew up in that is far more

00:36:33.200 liberal than we are and has moved increasingly to the left in the last couple of decades, but

00:36:38.120 they still grew up in an America where they were neighbors to people like us, Glenn.

00:36:41.560 They went to church with people like us.

00:36:43.100 They played Little League with people like us.

00:36:46.100 And so we're not somebody that needs to be snuffed out.

00:36:48.760 And as Eric Erickson likes to say, if you won't join the new utopia, you will be made

00:36:52.480 to care.

00:36:53.440 All right.

00:36:53.580 And then so there's that Democratic base.

00:36:55.460 And they're what's left of the blue collar private union worker, the electrical worker

00:37:00.760 guy, the teamster worker guy.

00:37:02.280 But they're going away as the economy modernizes and evolves.

00:37:05.540 And they're being replaced by the other Democratic base.

00:37:08.380 And that's what in a place like Iowa, you'll find the first Democratic base that I mentioned

00:37:12.800 in rural places like Indianola, outside of where I live in Des Moines.

00:37:15.960 And you'll see candidates like Joe Biden and Beto O'Rourke go to places like that.

00:37:20.100 And then there's the other Democratic base at the University of Iowa and Grinnell College.

00:37:24.100 And that's where you're going to see the Elizabeth Warrens and Kamala Harris's and the

00:37:27.700 Spartacuses go and everybody else that's running, because that's the new wave.

00:37:31.900 Those are the people you're talking about.

00:37:33.680 They are ready for the hammer and the sickle.

00:37:36.100 They have red das Kapital, and they are convinced that that is America's third wave. 0.98

00:37:40.920 So it depends on which Democratic base you're talking about.

00:37:44.320 You're in Iowa.

00:37:45.480 You're watching the election and you're seeing these people come to town.

00:37:50.820 Tell me about what your what your initial gut is on the Democrats that have come through.

00:37:58.000 I'm going to give your audience a name they've never heard before.

00:38:00.900 Watch a guy named Jerry Crawford.

00:38:03.820 Jerry Crawford is the Democratic longtime Democratic Party kingpin in Iowa.

00:38:08.200 I've known Jerry for years when I used to do local sports talk radio.

00:38:11.580 He's a big sports enthusiast, a horse racing enthusiast.

00:38:14.720 We've run in the same circles.

00:38:16.220 Him and I have gotten along for years.

00:38:18.340 All right.

00:38:18.840 And he is of the old Joe Biden wing of the party.

00:38:22.620 Remember when Hillary said a few months ago the reason that the struggle she had in Iowa is she still is a capitalist. 1.00

00:38:28.060 OK, this is Jerry Crawford back Hillary Clinton.

00:38:31.400 And it used to be if you got Jerry Crawford in Iowa, you won the Iowa caucuses no matter what.

00:38:37.240 Well, Jerry Crawford has struggled in the last two Iowa caucuses.

00:38:40.520 Basically, Hillary and Bernie tied. 1.00

00:38:42.280 And then Hillary lost to Obama here. 0.99

00:38:44.580 All right.

00:38:44.780 And so what will be fascinating is if you see Jerry Crawford say, I got to give the old Democratic Party one more go.

00:38:51.380 And that's why I'm going to back a Beto O'Rourke or I'm going to back a Joe Biden.

00:38:54.380 Or if you see if you see Jerry Crawford sit back and wait to see which of the new Marxists emerges and says, you know what, I'm going to get on the winning side.

00:39:02.840 He is the caricature, the archetype of what's happening in the Democratic Party.

00:39:07.460 And I would watch a guy like him much more than I would watch the candidates themselves.

00:39:12.420 Steve, if I were to give you three draft picks and you had to select the Democrat that actually wins, if you had to pick three out of that field, who would you pick?

00:39:21.260 I think Joe Biden will absolutely beat Donald Trump.

00:39:24.200 And that would be my only pick.

00:39:26.240 And the reason why I think he'll absolutely beat him is because he's got high name ID and because he has enough of the new Marxist cachet, having been Obama's VP and right-hand man for eight years, that while the Ocasio-Cortez crowd won't rally to him, he has too much street cred for them to reject him and openly revolt against him like they did Hillary in the last primary cycle.

00:39:50.400 So to me, I think if they nominate Joe Biden, I also think Joe Biden is much like Trump.

00:39:57.300 He is really good in interpersonal settings and casual settings, but is a malaprompt with the stagecraft like Trump is, which means I think he'll stand up to Trump's trolling and return fire and give him what for.

00:40:09.600 He won't wilt under the Humiliation Act that Trump likes to do with his opponents.

00:40:14.620 And so if they nominate him, then I think you'll see the 2020 election look like the 2018 House election.

00:40:21.520 Everywhere Democrats can win, they will win.

00:40:24.880 Wow. Steve, thank you very much.

00:40:31.460 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:40:34.180 Our White House correspondent, and I cannot believe that I'm saying this about John Miller, John Miller, who started as an intern for me and then was my assistant for a while.

00:40:50.360 I just love him to death.

00:40:52.860 Really, really smart, honorable man, is now the White House correspondent.

00:40:58.960 After leaving me, he made something of himself.

00:41:02.540 And now the White House correspondent for Blaze TV.

00:41:07.440 John, how are you?

00:41:09.040 Good. How are you doing, Glenn?

00:41:10.320 Good. So I talked to Eric Bolling today, and he said that that that meeting that the New York Times is talking about with all of the the anchors happened yesterday at the White House with Trump, where he said, yeah, I really don't want to do this.

00:41:26.180 And, you know, they're kind of making me do this, but I'll you know, I'll do it.

00:41:30.560 But I don't think it's going to be so effective.

00:41:33.040 Did you hear about this meeting yesterday that it happened?

00:41:36.000 I did hear about it.

00:41:36.760 I was not at the meeting, but I heard about it.

00:41:39.360 And I think that he under it.

00:41:41.820 I think it was incredibly effective.

00:41:43.280 And I think that, you know, of course, they're going to have polling where they kind of jimmy the questions to make it seem like it wasn't effective.

00:41:51.080 But I think last night what you saw was a pretty rational, reasonable case for a border wall.

00:41:57.780 Agree.

00:41:57.900 And, you know, it was not a political speech.

00:42:01.240 It was, in fact, I think one of his most presidential moments.

00:42:04.160 In fact, he was probably too stiff.

00:42:06.220 Yes.

00:42:06.660 And, you know, it's like you can you can actually move your hand still, Mr. President.

00:42:10.380 Yeah.

00:42:10.660 But, you know, the reaction is going to make it even more effective because the, you know, the reaction from Chuck and Nancy, I mean, that was a joke.

00:42:20.120 I mean, that was it was widely mocked across the Internet.

00:42:22.560 That, you know, even left wing outlets went to town with it.

00:42:26.240 You had these two people looking like villains.

00:42:29.860 You know, the lighting was terrible.

00:42:31.440 They look like they're coming to you from their evil lair.

00:42:33.580 But the most jarring part was that they were telling the American people that things that are common sense to Americans aren't so.

00:42:42.160 And that's what made it surreal because this was not a partisan issue.

00:42:44.520 So what we've been doing here is we've actually been talking to Customs and Border Protection this morning, getting their perspective on it because they're laughing at the idea that a border wall would be ineffective.

00:42:57.100 Well, John, I can't believe and this is I don't know how you sit in the press room with all the members of the press.

00:43:03.840 I really don't.

00:43:06.120 I mean, that's why my time spent with them is minimal, because in my in my judgment, they do not offer any adequate perspective on this stuff.

00:43:14.140 The guys you want to talk to are the people who actually know what's happening.

00:43:17.820 And in this scenario, it's Customs and Border Protection.

00:43:20.160 Well, and it's the people are actually there who actually know.

00:43:22.360 And it's their job to find out how to solve this problem when they say when they say because Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer said this is expensive and ineffective and just not worth it.

00:43:34.500 It just doesn't work.

00:43:35.580 Then where is the press asking Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi?

00:43:39.760 Then why?

00:43:41.020 What?

00:43:41.540 Twelve, eighteen months ago.

00:43:42.860 Did you offer thirty billion dollars for the wall for DACA?

00:43:49.880 Yes.

00:43:50.720 And I mean, and then in 2006, I mean, as Kellyanne said, if you want to call it the Secure Fences Act of 2019, then they can work that out.

00:43:58.840 But the idea that this is partisan, that this is radical and extreme and racist is mind boggling.

00:44:06.160 And, you know, when when they have these hysterical reactions to very normal things, it discredits their hysteria, because when everything is extremist and racist and fascist and hateful, then really nothing is.

00:44:16.780 So, I mean, to get better perspective, just talk to the guys who know actually what's happening.

00:44:20.940 And it's like saying wheels don't work anymore.

00:44:24.380 Now, of course, it's not a comprehensive solution, but I mean, walls, barriers are critical from a security standpoint.

00:44:30.460 And it's common sense.

00:44:31.700 I mean, it's it's been the truth throughout history.

00:44:34.240 I mean, it's been it's the truth in San Diego where apprehensions have gone down by, I think, ninety six percent since 2005.

00:44:40.940 We know it's working in Israel where suicide attacks, those declined by 90 percent.

00:44:45.300 It goes down by 90 percent every time it's tried.

00:44:47.620 Egypt, where they erected a massive steel barricade with Gaza, which helps stymie Hamas.

00:44:53.440 And then in Spain, they have one blocking illegal immigration from Morocco.

00:44:56.320 So walls are working all over the world.

00:44:58.300 The guys know this.

00:44:59.520 It's just now that Trump is expressing his support for a wall that all of a sudden it's ineffective.

00:45:05.640 It doesn't work.

00:45:06.560 It's unreasonable.

00:45:07.820 That hasn't been the case throughout history and throughout our country's history.

00:45:10.560 So, John, what do you because the the press isn't going to give up on this and neither is the president.

00:45:17.160 And neither are the Democrats.

00:45:19.200 So how do you see this playing out?

00:45:21.820 I think that that's the one thing that this speech probably I don't know if the speech moved the ball forward.

00:45:27.520 I think it informed a lot of Americans of the realities of the border.

00:45:30.780 But I don't know if it actually it was a development in the story.

00:45:36.580 I think that, you know, what he's going to eventually I don't see the Democrats budging.

00:45:40.560 And like you said, I don't see the president budging.

00:45:42.600 So it probably will come down to what everyone's talking about, which is the, you know, emergency declaration act, which, you know, the Congress gave the president, which was a lot of things in that I disagree with.

00:45:54.200 But it is a presidential power now since 76.

00:45:58.020 So the president can use it and if he shouldn't use it to shut down businesses, but he can use it to do what is the federal government's fundamental job, which is national security.

00:46:08.560 It's the one thing I think a lot of small government people can even get behind is actually securing our country and our borders.

00:46:14.280 So I agree with you. I want the wall. I want border security, but I'm very concerned about the president, you know, declaring an emergency for national security because and it won't even take Trump doing it to get the Democrats to do this.

00:46:32.960 But it'll make it easier for them to say global warming. Number one cause of of, you know, in, you know, instability around the world.

00:46:45.000 It's going to cause famine and wars and everything else. So we're going to have to do something and we're opening ourselves up to real trouble.

00:46:53.700 I mean, the hatch has already been opened on that, though, when they when Congress gave the president that power.

00:46:58.900 So either we roll it back or we let the president use the power that he has.

00:47:02.680 I think it's reasonable. And the president is going to have to make the case before the courts.

00:47:07.380 But you look at the actual they're going to have a really hard time defending the fact that global warming is actually a crisis because the numbers just aren't there.

00:47:15.760 But I mean, the numbers on the opioid crisis alone, I mean, I think it's hard to deny.

00:47:21.860 And most of those drugs, as we know, are coming in from the border.

00:47:24.040 I think it's hard for anyone to deny that that is a real crisis level.

00:47:28.180 So the president already has the power. I agree that it's going to open the doors, but they do have to make these cases and they have to win these cases before the courts, before it actually gets affected.

00:47:38.900 John Miller, our White House correspondent, and also you can watch his show on Blaze TV dot com.

00:47:46.540 Thank you so much, John. Appreciate it.

00:47:52.100 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:47:57.700 Matt Kibbe joins us on the Glenn Beck program.

00:48:00.180 Hello, Matt.

00:48:01.760 Hey, Glenn. How's it going?

00:48:03.060 Good. I've been anxious to hear your point of view because you are on the libertarian side of the spectrum.

00:48:09.780 And we're trying to get everybody's opinion from the from the MAGA guys to the libertarians, the conservatives and the millennials and try to get everybody's opinion.

00:48:20.840 And I think with the exception of John, we pretty much have a consensus that the wall is important.

00:48:28.700 Security on our border is important, but not the use of a of a of an emergency act.

00:48:37.020 That's not the way to do it.

00:48:39.600 I'm interested to hear from you, even if you think that border security is important.

00:48:44.560 So border security is absolutely important.

00:48:49.200 And I think the president's argument with the Democrats in large part is is semantics.

00:48:56.240 It's words. You know, we're talking about a fence or a wall.

00:48:59.500 Are we talking about spending two billion or five billion?

00:49:03.840 And it's important to remember that, you know, Mitch McConnell could have gotten this done and they could have cut other spending and they could have gone through budget reconciliation.

00:49:11.180 But here we are at this point. I mean, as a libertarian, I would I would look at other things we could do to make sure that that the money we do spend on border security is actually targeting the bad guys.

00:49:27.520 And I'll say some things that will make some of your viewers uncomfortable.

00:49:30.800 But for one thing, we need to do something about the drug war.

00:49:34.440 If we're worried about illegal drugs and deadly drugs coming across the border, we should look at what happened in Portugal, where they decriminalized all the drugs, including the very dangerous drugs.

00:49:45.440 And the net result over the last 20 years has been a significant drop in drug deaths, a drop in in young people using drugs.

00:49:54.400 And in the case of the border in our country, it would get rid of the incentive for a lot of bad guys to do a lot of bad things and to bring really dangerous drugs into our country.

00:50:05.280 And why why don't we talk about why don't we talk about that more?

00:50:09.120 I mean, that is it. Would you say it dropped significantly?

00:50:12.860 No, no, no, Matt. It dropped dramatically.

00:50:16.420 That was a country that was that was really in the situation that we're in now or or approaching to where death and suicide was off the charts.

00:50:28.420 People were addicted to these drugs.

00:50:30.800 It was one of the worst places in the world.

00:50:34.100 And they tried to keep making the drug laws stronger and stronger and stronger and nothing was working.

00:50:40.700 And so they decided, let's get rid of the drug laws and let's spend that money on rehabilitation, you know, you know, a kind of programs.

00:50:51.360 Let's help people help themselves.

00:50:53.620 And it was dramatic.

00:50:56.160 It saved that country.

00:50:57.880 Yeah, they went from a hellhole to being the best in Europe in terms of eliminating drug deaths, eliminating crime associated with it and disease and all the problems that they had.

00:51:11.440 We should learn from that.

00:51:12.880 And we're sort of schizophrenic on the subject.

00:51:16.220 You know, you have a decriminalization of marijuana and medical marijuana.

00:51:20.480 And the president has said some thoughtful things about that.

00:51:23.240 But I think the heightened criminalization of opioid use is is a problem because, you know, addicts are going to go get what they can get if they feel they need it, whether or not we think that's a good thing or a bad thing.

00:51:39.140 You know, incentives matter and and people are going to figure out ways to do these things.

00:51:43.080 But I think this is a this is directly linked to border security.

00:51:47.520 And the president talked a lot about all these these these dangerous drugs that are coming into our country.

00:51:52.380 Let's pull the rug out from under the bad guys and let let let let people and doctors and freedom work itself through here.

00:52:02.960 I agree with you, and I believe the I believe the opioid crisis and the heroin crisis is is much more than most people can deal with.

00:52:15.920 And I have been somebody who have said you can't legalize all these drugs because we're not a society that's that's willing to deal with it.

00:52:24.860 I think if you look at what Portugal did, I think we are running out of options because the drug war clearly doesn't work.

00:52:34.880 What happened in Portugal did work.

00:52:37.900 And I think to save lives, we need something dramatic.

00:52:41.740 And I am I hate to say this is I haven't really thought it through, but I think I am at a place now in my life where I am for the legalization of drugs because it's just not working.

00:52:54.860 This is not working.

00:52:57.420 Yeah.

00:52:58.900 And so you're letting your inner libertarian come out.

00:53:02.300 Yeah.

00:53:02.720 And that's that's OK.

00:53:04.220 We'll do this together.

00:53:05.320 I know.

00:53:05.860 So so make the libertarian case, because I know a lot of libertarians who are not for border security.

00:53:13.620 Can you make that libertarian case?

00:53:16.600 So, you know, some some libertarians use the phrase open borders.

00:53:20.460 And I think I don't like the phrase because I think it means different things to different people.

00:53:25.460 And I think we should be concise in our language.

00:53:28.180 I think that the consensus libertarian view is that people that want to come to our country and work and follow the rules and.

00:53:37.940 And our current immigration system doesn't do that.

00:53:46.080 Immigrants, legal and illegal, are political footballs. 1.00

00:53:49.940 Both political parties have agendas other than that principle that I just stated.

00:53:55.240 And and another thing we could do to deal with how we how we actually get to real border security is to make sure that people that want to come here and work and contribute have a clear process.

00:54:09.420 And maybe it's maybe it's guest worker reform.

00:54:12.320 Maybe it has nothing to do with citizenship, if that's a concern for people.

00:54:15.740 But as long as we make it impossible for those good people to cross the border, we make it easier for bad people to cross the border.

00:54:24.880 Yes, I will tell you, I have we have two people that I would like to hire and bring into the fold.

00:54:33.120 And I think they would contribute a lot to our society.

00:54:38.180 And I can't I can't even get them green cards.

00:54:40.660 I mean, they can't they've got a job.

00:54:43.320 They can't come in. 0.96

00:54:44.820 And it's ridiculous.

00:54:46.860 I mean, if if you if you can work and you want to work and you want to live by our laws, we should make that so easy to do.

00:54:56.820 And we should just be very, very clear on you got to come through the front door.

00:55:02.040 Or have to.

00:55:03.520 Yeah.

00:55:04.200 Yeah.

00:55:04.940 But, you know, the front the front door has you have to know where the front door is and you have to know what the rules of the game are.

00:55:10.500 And you have to know that if you're going to if you're going to go through that process, I know this is going to take three months, six months, whatever it is.

00:55:19.160 That that has to be honest and open.

00:55:21.140 And this is where it's kind of fascinating to watch Bernie Sanders attack the Koch brothers for.

00:55:27.000 Yeah, for for for for their position on immigration.

00:55:30.480 But, you know, I think that the Kochs have a pretty clear what I would call a libertarian view.

00:55:36.080 If you want to come here and work and contribute, this is part of what's made America a great place.

00:55:41.880 And and I think, you know, politicians, you know, I think a lot of politicians are interested in in owning and controlling people once they get here, you know, for their votes.

00:55:52.380 Yeah.

00:55:52.580 And and that's part of the reason it's a political football.

00:55:55.840 But, you know, some of us need to just lay it out there.

00:55:59.560 You know, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi didn't talk anything about making it safe and predictable and legal for good people to come here and contribute to our country.

00:56:11.380 Matt, I've got about 45 seconds.

00:56:13.480 How does this play with the the swing vote, the independent vote?

00:56:19.400 Where do they fall eventually, do you think?

00:56:22.780 So, you know, the interesting thing is that, you know, Trump has dug his heels in on this and, you know, that the wall is every bit as much a rhetorical symbol as anything else.

00:56:33.860 But, you know, a lot of the people that are hurt by this government shut down because Trump controls the executive branch are probably Democrats.

00:56:41.320 So I wonder how long the Democrats are going to hold out.

00:56:45.020 Yeah. All right.

00:56:46.260 Thank you so much, Matt.

00:56:47.280 Appreciate it.

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00:57:03.860 We have one more guest that we want to put on.

00:57:10.120 He is a spokesperson for Young Voices and also host of Beltway Banthas podcast.

00:57:17.160 I find him interesting, funny and really a credible guy.

00:57:21.860 Stephen Kent, millennial voice of the conservative movement.

00:57:25.980 Welcome to the program.

00:57:26.760 How are you?

00:57:28.060 Good morning.

00:57:28.660 I'm doing well.

00:57:29.160 Thanks for having me back.

00:57:29.920 So, Stephen, give me your thought on on the speech last night, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer's speech and how this is going to play out.

00:57:42.080 What do you think is what do you think last night meant?

00:57:45.260 Well, I agree very much with your White House correspondent, John Miller, in that Trump just could not read from the prompter.

00:57:54.060 And it was really it was really worse than ever.

00:57:56.480 No charisma.

00:57:57.120 And for him, I think that can be incredibly damaging.

00:58:00.100 I was expecting a little bit more gusto and conviction and maybe jazz hands for his final pitch on his precious wall project.

00:58:07.420 I mean, this has been what his entire political career has been about.

00:58:10.500 And he didn't sell it.

00:58:12.700 And by the way, the Democrats looked terrifying as well.

00:58:16.180 It was like Emperor Palpatine and the Joker making a national address.

00:58:20.060 And it was kind of scary.

00:58:22.740 And the substance was intellectually dishonest and cynical as well.

00:58:26.100 And I think there was plenty of that to go around between the president and his adversaries in Congress.

00:58:30.640 Like nobody even attempted to move the meter for their side.

00:58:34.060 And I think that's pretty sad when you look back on some White House speeches from days past that really aim to try to move people, not just terrify or belittle them.

00:58:43.540 So hang on just a second.

00:58:45.280 Where do you think the president was trying to terrify or belittle?

00:58:49.700 I thought he I thought he spoke with the facts for the most part.

00:58:55.660 I thought he even said, look, this is a humanitarian thing.

00:59:00.740 We don't have the space for these people.

00:59:03.860 We just don't have the resources.

00:59:05.520 We need more resources.

00:59:07.380 And, you know, it's a wall.

00:59:09.520 If they want to do a fence, we'll do a fence.

00:59:11.720 But we have to do this.

00:59:13.700 Yeah.

00:59:14.140 So he paid sort of homage to the humanitarian crisis on the border.

00:59:19.840 Very briefly, it was kind of a couple of sentences.

00:59:21.840 And then he really moved on to the law and order portion of this.

00:59:26.220 I mean, some really gruesome stuff.

00:59:27.860 And the crimes that have been committed by some illegal immigrants across the country are no doubt gruesome. 1.00

00:59:33.540 They're sad.

00:59:34.240 But to spend, I think, that time from the Oval Office sort of doing this just reciting of three, four or five, like really just awful crimes that you'd have to send your child out of the room to hear from the president, that is not normal.

00:59:49.220 And we've not seen that kind of thing before.

00:59:51.000 And I also don't think it is appropriate to use that platform to talk about these instances as if they are a normal and sort of like epidemic part of American life.

01:00:00.940 You wouldn't accept that from President Obama on guns.

01:00:04.640 You wouldn't accept that from a George Bush on the sort of epidemic of terror.

01:00:08.620 You know, that's just not sort of our daily lives.

01:00:11.580 And I think that was a misrepresentation.

01:00:14.020 I do think we did hear that from Obama with the guns thing here and there, maybe not in the Oval Office.

01:00:19.600 But do you think, Stephen, when it comes to the sort of delivery from President Trump, there's a report out today that basically he didn't even want to do this.

01:00:28.020 Like this is not something he was interested in doing.

01:00:29.800 He doesn't want to do the photo op on the border.

01:00:32.200 This is really not his passion.

01:00:35.160 The issue might be his passion, but like this delivery system is just makes him uncomfortable, it seems.

01:00:40.440 I'm really perplexed by that because I thought that was exactly what his thing was.

01:00:44.740 I saw that report and I heard John Miller talking about it again earlier.

01:00:48.300 And I'm just sort of shocked because this sort of seems like what he is made to do to sort of get on TV and pound his fist and give a speech about something that he's passionate about.

01:00:58.900 And it really you could see that he did not want to be there.

01:01:01.800 So I buy that 100 percent.

01:01:03.980 I don't think so.

01:01:05.640 Hang on.

01:01:06.260 I don't think so.

01:01:07.660 I just don't think he is capable of delivering a script.

01:01:13.220 I just don't think that's in him.

01:01:15.860 He's much better when he's just speaking off the cuff.

01:01:17.980 Right.

01:01:18.240 He's just he's not an actor.

01:01:21.120 Yeah.

01:01:21.560 And were you in Home Alone, too?

01:01:23.000 Because I know he was.

01:01:23.920 Were you, Glenn?

01:01:24.540 Were you in Home Alone, too?

01:01:25.480 No, no, it's kind of shocking to see that he wouldn't actually put his all into a platform like that.

01:01:34.300 He's the president of the United States.

01:01:35.600 He's been working for this for years.

01:01:36.880 And it's his first opportunity to use that platform to his end.

01:01:40.520 And I think he really kind of fell on his face there.

01:01:42.700 So, Stephen, on the border, what do you do?

01:01:45.020 Hang on.

01:01:45.520 Before you get into that, you know, the diminishing of crime.

01:01:49.440 This is from the United States Sentencing Commission.

01:01:51.780 So, this is a U.S. source.

01:01:53.900 Non-U.S. citizens accounted for 40.7% of all offenders in fiscal year 2017.

01:02:03.200 So, 40% of all federal offenses are happening from non-U.S. citizens, according to the government.

01:02:12.860 That's pretty significant.

01:02:14.520 Yeah, crime happens, and I think we have to do a better job of controlling who comes into this country, which I think is going to go to your next question about, you know, what do we do? 1.00

01:02:24.360 There's no doubt there.

01:02:25.540 But, again, that is a misrepresentation of the amount of people who come into this country, both legally and illegally.

01:02:30.080 The majority of people who are in this country, technically illegally, are people who overstayed their legal right to be here, their visas, etc.

01:02:38.100 You know, we don't have sort of a mass epidemic of murderers climbing over a wall and running into Los Angeles.

01:02:44.100 That's not really what's going on here.

01:02:46.360 So, what do you do at the border, Stephen?

01:02:48.540 Yeah, I'm really conflicted.

01:02:50.500 You know, I have conservative and libertarian tendencies, and they both fight for control every day.

01:02:54.820 But here's my concession as a libertarian.

01:02:58.740 I am very concerned that the populist movement in Europe is actively, if not already, overtaken U.S. politics.

01:03:06.400 And our traditional, more open political parties are rapidly closing.

01:03:10.580 And voters demanded something very radical with electing Donald Trump.

01:03:15.760 A vote for him was a vote for the wall.

01:03:18.300 And my fear is that ignoring this could have far worse consequences for the expanse of government than the project itself, which is just more of a cash hole and, I think, a bad symbol for the United States.

01:03:31.740 I mean, what if Trump or the Trumps of the world, like, they get frustrated enough to expand the infrastructure for the war on terror and homeland security to even further grow surveillance systems and Big Brother to monitor people for immigration enforcement?

01:03:45.340 They already do this.

01:03:46.440 I mean, if you live on the border, you're practically under drone surveillance all of the time.

01:03:51.320 But imagine if it expanded more darkly. 0.66

01:03:53.360 Like, so I just, I wonder if the wall would at least tame the vitriol that has been boiling up in our politics for the past decade, even if it compromises some of our values and imperils our national spending problems a little bit more.

01:04:07.560 But good on Trump for not invoking emergency powers and kicking this back to Congress, because this is their failure, and they need to deal with it.

01:04:14.880 Stephen, thank you very much for the perspective.

01:04:17.660 I appreciate it.

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