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On the latest episode of The Glenn Beck Program, host Glenn Beck is joined by gun rights advocate Brad Meltzer and economist Carol Roth to discuss gun control, the economy, and much, much more. Glenn Beck: Should guns be used in self-defense?
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On the podcast today, just a great one you don't want to miss.
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I spend the first hour of the program on the Insurrection Act.
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Should it be used to maintain order, gain order or not?
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This is a constitutional imperative that we answer this without a team Trump or a team Democrat hat on.
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So I take both cases, not a straw man argument.
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I take both, give you the best argument for both sides.
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And we went to our Founders Library with George AI.
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Then we have Brad Meltzer on, who has written a new book, The Viper.
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He talks about a secret that I've never heard and nobody knows what it said, but a guy who was on one of the planes on 9-11 that actually wrote a very important note, needed it to be served to survive the plane crash.
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Doctors found it in the autopsy and they will not say what it was, but they delivered it to the authorities.
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And good and bad news with Carol Roth on the economy.
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As a gun owner, I understand the importance of being prepared, but it is crucial to recognize that, according to law enforcement statistics, 99% of all altercations do not require lethal force.
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So I have some good news on the economic front.
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Unemployment claims unexpectedly have fallen to 198,000.
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Mortgage rates have fallen to a three-year low.
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We're now at a 6% mortgage rate, which is really good.
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The baby boomer is not the one that is the median American homebuyer.
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It's in our show prep about the jobs that you should be training for if you're young.
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And it is amazing to me because when everybody was saying learn to code, get into AI and everything else, I was saying don't do that.
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The one thing – that's all going to be covered.
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The one thing that AI cannot do is show personal compassion.
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And doctors are going to be really replaced a lot of what they do with AI because when you need somebody to make a judgment on what's going on really, it can process more information.
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But you can't have your nurses or your physical therapist being AI.
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You're going to want a person when there's pain involved.
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And those are, I think, the top 10 jobs that they're now recommending.
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She's also helped me put together the capital controls program.
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Carol, I just was talking about tariffs and what the Supreme Court is going to decide one way or another.
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But if they decide to say the president doesn't have a right or ability to do any of these things, this is massive chaos.
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So I think that you're absolutely right that this is massive chaos,
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particularly if they say that the administration has to do refunds.
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Because from an administrative standpoint, both at the federal level,
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but then also trickling down to all of the businesses who may have passed tariffs onto their customers,
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The undoing of that is going to be just mass, mass chaos,
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which is why I think we could very well be in for a hybrid ruling,
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one where they say, okay, you don't have the emergency powers,
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We're putting the stake in the ground right now.
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And so from that standpoint, I don't think it's as much chaos as you do, Glenn.
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I'm not usually the one that's talking you off the ledge.
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they're all levers to change the world into our direction.
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now everybody's going to look like president doesn't,
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president can't do what he says he wants to do.
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And all of these things that have pushed rare minerals our way,
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Let me potentially talk you off the ledge and then throw some good,
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good possibilities out there, which again, is a little,
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but the strength of Trump and the military and, you know,
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sort of his unpredictability and his suite of tools has been absolutely unparalleled
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from, you know, helping to free the hostages in Gaza,
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to the surgical strike in Iran, to the capturing of Maduro.
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I mean, everybody is on notice and I don't think a ruling on tariffs is going to undo
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the absolute strength that we have shown on the world stage from that standpoint.
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Furthermore, and obviously, you know, I am not a legal expert,
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but in my research, you have folks who do these things,
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I believe that there are other tariff options that are not emergency tariff options.
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there is no doubt in my mind that the administration has already decided
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whether it's the Trade Expansion Act for, you know, national security reasons,
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whether it's the, you know, balance of payment issues.
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There are multiple sections of trade acts where they can pivot.
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So, yes, it's a setback and one that, in my opinion, is an unforced error.
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But I think that there is so much strength from this administration in other areas and other options
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You know, I talked to the president, you know, weeks ago when this was being argued.
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And he said, oh, there are other ways we can deal with this.
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I think they are concerned, but they were prepared for this going either way.
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And I do think that the reason why the court decision hasn't come out this week, which they
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talked about maybe coming out this week, I think one of the reasons why they're delaying
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is they're trying to split the cat, if you will, and make sure they don't do complete,
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Trying to find a way that kind of keeps the Constitution.
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The Constitution gives the president powers that he might need.
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And more importantly, give everybody a chance to find a way out.
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The longer it goes on, the more it's creating signals to the administration.
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And the more that they're able to prepare for the out.
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We just got to race through because I've only got about six minutes left with you.
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Is this about lowering the interest rates in that time period?
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It's interesting because, you know, if you listen to the Trump administration and the
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AGs, they're saying, we have no idea what Powell's talking about.
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And we're just trying to get some information from him.
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And so the fact that you have Powell coming out in an unprecedented move, I mean, the Fed
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does not make statements outside normal scheduled business hours and scheduled statements.
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And by the way, if you watch the statement, it's like a hostage video.
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The only other time I've seen the Fed make a Sunday night announcement was TARP.
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But it does come off political, if that is actually what's happening, which is sort of
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unclear that that's actually what is happening.
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But I think if you're going to go after the Fed for anything, the absolute cavalier nature
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of the fact that they have hurt affordability for Americans, they've made housing unaffordable,
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they've helped enable our tremendous debt, there are so many things that we can go after
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the Fed for that, you know, the cost on a renovation that's not being funded by taxpayers
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Unless, again, very, very, you know, 4D chess here, maybe it's a way to open up an audit.
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Maybe it's a way to actually get to something else by coming in through this route.
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If anybody could do it, he is the guy, too, if he wanted to, to get that done.
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Tell me about Warsh, the guy who looks like the president may select.
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Per CNBC, the president made comments today, and the front runner for the position was Trump's
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top economic advisor, a different Kevin, Kevin Hassett, that we all know, had the director
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Now Trump is saying, well, you know, Kevin, I really'd like to keep you in this place, which
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made everyone go, oh, Kevin, you know, Hassett's not the top pick.
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And the concern with Hassett is that he's too tied into the administration, that he would
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be, you know, sort of a wonky economist that's doing Trump's bidding.
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Kevin Warsh is somebody who is a former Wall Street guy, former M&A banker that went into
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He was appointed to the Board of Governors of the Fed by George W. Bush.
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And so he has that experience, but he also is sort of a liaison.
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So during the Great Recession financial crisis, he was the one who was liaising between the
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Fed and the banks and the White House and creating that.
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So he's seen, even though he's somebody who wants to lower interest rates and he's aligned
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with a lot of the president's policies, he's somebody who's considered more credible in
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We can argue whether that's good or bad, but the market likes that.
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I want somebody in there who's like, you know what I'd really like to do is set fire to this
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So let me talk to you about, quickly, I just want to run through a whole bunch of topics,
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If this thing passes, I mean, this is how stupid these people are.
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They are leading the AI revolution, all of that.
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Then they attack that very revolution at the time when that revolution is going to make or
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Then they start going after those billionaires that have set all of those things up and get
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them to move all of their assets out of California.
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What the hell is California going to have left in the end?
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Well, I'm less concerned about California as I am about the rest of the country, because
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this is something that is going to have reverberations throughout the country.
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We know every bad economic proposal this country has is incubated in California, and then it
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So if this is something that is adopted, and you talked about capital control, let's try
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You know, if it's January 1st and you are not out of here yet, we're going to make this
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Well, that's because there are other states to go to.
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If Democrats get behind this nationally, this means this could be enacted not only nationally,
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but we know no policies that come out for the wealthy ever stay with the wealthy.
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But also something that you've talked about that's so critically important is we are in
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a race for our lives with tech for the future of this country in terms of the economy and
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And if we have a disruption in innovation, if we have a disruption in the stock market,
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which all of a sudden impacts all of us and all of our wealth, these are things that don't
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It rolls out to the rest of us and hurts the country overall.
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So we can't just poo-poo it and say, oh, it's California.
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You get what you vote for, because this has real consequences for everybody.
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I will tell you that that's why a new stock market is being built here in Dallas, Texas,
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why Elon moved to Texas, while they are building power plants and everything else that they
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I think the capital of innovation and money just may end up being Texas in the end.
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And by the way, you know, we were talking about California and you said this will spread.
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I think on that list of absolute spreading to trapping money in states, New York, California,
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And we've seen it here in Chicago just from bad policies.
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We had, you know, our biggest billionaire, Ken Griffin, who left.
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Not only did he take his tax revenue, he took his philanthropy with it.
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And now the middle class is having to pay crazy increases in property tax and energy and the
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like, because we no longer have that tax revenue and they have shrunk the pie and nobody is
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economically illiterate or economically illiterate.
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All those charities are now like, what, what happened?
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You know, why isn't he still giving to the charities he's always believed in Illinois?
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Of course, he's going to, he's going to build up the area he's around.
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We have this gorgeous, um, you know, bike and walking path that goes right along Lake
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Michigan that was funded because he wanted to do that.
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I know now he's not doing that anymore because he doesn't live here and people don't seem
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to understand why he wouldn't want to invest in Illinois anymore when you pushed him out
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Um, but I, I'm, I'm actually more positive Carol than I've been in a long time.
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Are you, well, you have to understand Glenn, my Chicago bears beat the green Bay Packers
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last week in the NFL wildcard, which is like our Superbowl.
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We're playing with house money and we have a young team.
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I know that's, I think that's one of the signs that Jesus is coming, but, uh, just might
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And I don't think most people really understand that yet, you know, but this isn't the kind
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So the last time that the Minnesotans had a peaceful protest, they burned their own city
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down and everybody in the press is saying, oh, it's just peaceful protest.
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And anybody who cares to recognize the truth knows that wasn't a mostly peaceful protest.
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This is direct confrontation now between federal law enforcement carrying out legally authorized
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operations and organized resistance on the ground that repeatedly turns violent.
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That's what we're seeing documented in real time.
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And we're hearing the leaders say the same kind of thing.
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I think it was at the beginning of the week where he was talking about how he wanted to
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use the National Guard because we were headed towards civil war.
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When things looked really bleak, it was Minnesota's first that held that line for the nation
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And I think now we may be in that moment that the nation's looking to us to hold the line
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on democracy, to hold the line on decency, to hold the line on accountability.
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And more than that, to rise up as neighbors and simply say, we can look out for one another.
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But he went on to talk about how he is training the National Guard to be able to stand up against
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You've got to get out on those streets, knowing that that is ratcheting up problems because
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All of these things that make people think this is these are the Nazis.
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Part of the reason why the feds are in Minnesota is because of this massive fraud screen screen
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The other thing is the governor, I mean, Mayor Frye of Minnesota.
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And if you are watching at glenbeck.com, you need to you need to see the face of the police
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And we're in a position right now where we have residents that are asking the very limited
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number of police officers that we have to fight ICE agents on the street, to stand by
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We cannot be at a place right now in America where we have two governmental entities that
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We're put in this position because we have approximately six.
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You don't matter who's put you in this position.
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But you'll notice that he was couching this with, hey, they want people in Minnesota, want
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And you can see it in the face of the police chief thinking like you are out of your mind.
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The federal immigration enforcement ICE, the operation in Minnesota, an ICE agent was attacked
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two days ago with a shovel and a broom handle by multiple suspects.
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He responded in defense of his life, shot one of the guys in the leg.
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The men have since been identified as illegal immigrants.
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Police should have been there and said, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
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And then, by law, according to the Insurrection Act, it wouldn't have been a problem if they
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would have said, we're not cooperating with ICE.
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Might be a problem for you and me, et cetera, et cetera.
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But my understanding from reading the Constitution, they cannot participate, but they can't actively
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They can't get involved and thwart and work against the United States government.
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And once there is violent attacks on any federal agents, once the federal government cannot
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carry out its federal duty because the court system or the system of the police or the governor
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is thwarting them and actually obstructing them, then you have insurrection.
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Imagine if you were standing in the middle of a crowd and you're chanting, block the feds,
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That's what's happening on the streets, except it's going beyond speech.
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Real people are physically interfering with federal agents conducting sanctioned enforcement
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Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly and freedom of petition means peaceful.
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Once you start actively engaging, that's out the window.
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Then you layer on top of that the actions of the state leadership from the governor and everybody
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It seems like they're encouraging all of this stuff, not condemning any of this stuff.
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So the perspective of the president and his advisors, there comes a point when the rule
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When you have federal agents being attacked while attempting apprehensions, crowds that
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have repeatedly thrown objects at officers, causing internal injuries, other kinds of injuries
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as well, local officials unwilling or unable to assert state authority against that behavior,
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then you can argue that ordinary law enforcement and all of its mechanisms no longer are sufficient
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to preserve order and protect the federal officers doing their duty.
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That is precisely when many constitutional lawyers say the Insurrection Act, that's what
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it was designed for, designed to be invoked, not because people don't have a right to protest.
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They do not because they don't have a right to disagree with policy.
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And I will fight shoulder to shoulder with you for that.
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But because the machinery of law enforcement is being repeatedly obstructed and federal officers
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are being targeted in the performance of their duty, that's what the Insurrection Act
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So the president, in his statement, framed this not as a vendetta, but as a defense of legitimate
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That is the federal government's job to do that.
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They're also thwarting it because they're trying to get away with massive fraud.
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So if the corrupt politicians of Minnesota don't obey the law and stop the professional
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agitators and insurrectionists from attacking the patriots of ICE, this is what he said yesterday,
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who are only trying to do their job, then we, yes, will institute the Insurrection Act.
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The framing matters because it shifts the question from can the people protest to who upholds the
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And before you say this is a peaceful protest, it is not a peaceful protest.
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There are documented cases, lots of them, of assault.
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And if that isn't the threshold to bring in the Insurrection Act, if that's not the way
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we pull it in, well, if that's not what they had in mind, I don't know what to do.
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I mean, they gave the president extraordinary power to preserve civil authority.
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The same constitutional logic that says a governor cannot lawfully encourage or tolerate organized
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opposition to a federal enforcement, just as the president cannot stand idly by when federal
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That tension between order and chaos, between lawful protest and violent obstruction is exactly
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the kind of crisis the Insurrection Act was written to address.
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And in the face of escalating violence and political obstruction, some would argue it
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has to be considered, if only to protect the rule of law.
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That's what they keep calling it on January 5th or 6th or whenever it was, you know, up at
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Would they have let that go on for days and days and said that was just, that was nothing
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When you have people beating cops, when you have people breaking windows, you have to stop
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The president was the one who said, where's the National Guard?
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But the left didn't want the National Guard there because they wanted that act of insurrection.
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You wouldn't have done it for January 6th and you shouldn't do it now.
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But let me make a strong case for the other side.
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Before we cross a line that we can't uncross, let's slow down, not politically, not emotionally.
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Constitutionally, let's look at things constitutionally, okay?
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Because the Insurrection Act is not just a tool in the toolbox.
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It is one of the most extreme domestic powers a president can wield short of martial law.
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And once you normalize this use, you don't get to decide who uses it next or for what purpose.
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When they get in power, they'll use everything.
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And those responsible should be arrested, charged, and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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I'm just going to give you the opposite side here.
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Or is it just criminal violence within a functioning civil order?
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It is defined by the collapse of civil authority.
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When the courts and the state can no longer function, when the police will not enforce the law,
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and when the state itself has ceased to govern, that's what has to happen.
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You know, the Shays' Rebellion, this is around the turn of, you know, the beginning of our country.
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It was because, I think it was Massachusetts, the court system was being attacked.
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Nobody would let the courts make any of the decisions.
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And so, the federal government had to come in and put that down.
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Because the courts are open, the police are operating, and arrests have been made.
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State institutions, however flawed, however political, still exist and are still functioning.
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Because the Insurrection Act was designed for moments like the Civil War.
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When states are, and here you go again, here's your really thin line,
00:32:17.400
when states openly defy federal court orders during, they did it, during desegregation,
00:32:27.520
What you're seeing now, is it the absence of law?
00:32:40.000
People can protest, even loudly, even angrily, as long as it doesn't become a rebellion.
00:32:47.960
The Constitution doesn't require obedience to federal policy.
00:32:52.360
It requires obedience to federal law, and disagreement must be settled in court, not by force.
00:33:01.120
If we redefine insurrection to meet violent resistance by individuals,
00:33:06.460
combined with political opposition by state leaders,
00:33:09.380
then we're seeing a standard that will be used again by somebody else,
00:33:17.840
the president believes the state leadership is encouraging a resistance,
00:33:21.840
then federal troops can be sent in for gun rights, protests, environmental riots,
00:33:26.980
labor strikes, you know, campus unrest, election-related demonstrations,
00:33:31.160
all justified by the same argument, local leaders are not doing enough.
00:33:38.720
We are facing some of the toughest decisions that we will face in our American life as civilians.
00:33:48.300
We are going to have to make really tough, principled, constitutional decisions.
00:34:05.440
That executive power is unmoored from restraint.
00:34:18.100
But criminal violence, even organized criminal violence,
00:34:21.840
has always been handled by law enforcement, not the military.
00:34:25.220
So if the answer to violent crime becomes federal troops in American cities,
00:34:28.780
then we have quietly accepted something the founders feared above all else.
00:34:33.700
A standing army enforcing domestic order at the discretion of a president.
00:34:38.620
And once that door opens, it doesn't close neatly.
00:34:42.320
The president, I think, is right about the danger.
00:34:45.060
And he may not be even right about the negligence.
00:34:47.000
He may be right about the politics, but the Constitution does not ask whether he is right.
00:34:58.120
And if we evoke the Insurrection Act before the collapse has occurred,
00:35:08.780
Now, I have the answer from George AI, which is from all of the founding documents.
00:35:13.480
And I think you might be amazed at what they said,
00:35:19.460
what it predicted they may have done based on their writings in the 1700s and early 1800s.
00:35:30.980
We're four days away from the fundamental transformation on how I treat the whole Pam Bondi situation.
00:35:40.720
Four days away on the 20th of January, which is the one-year anniversary of the president coming in.
00:35:49.040
I wanted to see some real serious prosecutions.
00:35:51.720
If it doesn't happen within the first year, I'm going to have some real serious questions.
00:35:57.600
And we're four days away from some of those serious questions.
00:36:14.460
Maybe Jason can run in here real quick and get us what the insiders are saying.
00:36:23.400
Um, but I laid out the two, uh, laid out the two sides insurrection act.
00:36:31.820
And I, you know, Jonathan Turley just wrote last night that he believes that the president does have the authority.
00:36:38.180
I believe the president has the authority, but I want to be really careful and not emotional about this.
00:36:43.100
I don't want to do it out of anger or anything else.
00:36:45.140
I want to make sure that we are very, very careful on all of these things.
00:36:49.120
But I think if you look at, I mean, the country is, it's under attack.
00:36:56.420
This is a color revolution that is going on and is well documented.
00:37:02.620
And this is just their way of furthering a color revolution.
00:37:06.940
And part of that is to claim, is to create such chaos so you can claim, because you have control of the media and the educational system and everything else, that you can claim, see, this is a fascistic dictator there.
00:37:23.900
Create enough chaos so the government must make moves that appear to be fascistic.
00:37:36.040
So tell me what the insiders are saying on this.
00:37:39.780
It's fairly, there's a good conversation going on right now at glenbeck.com.
00:37:48.340
He said, there isn't a perfect answer to if we should invoke the Insurrection Act.
00:37:52.540
He has absolutely justified the president in doing so with the obstruction of justice by public officials.
00:37:57.320
Unfortunately, he will likely have to do so in order to prevent open rebellion.
00:38:02.240
If he doesn't, it's only going to, it'll go to New York, it'll go to California.
00:38:07.720
I just highlighted this comment in the Insider feed.
00:38:12.060
But there was one really, really good question from Gid.
00:38:18.860
Gid said, how do I explain this situation to my friends and family?
00:38:24.100
Because a lot of times it just gets very emotional.
00:38:26.560
And if I'm trying to make this point, and then everyone ends up getting annoyed.
00:38:34.120
When you can repeat their argument back, that's when you can start making your comment.
00:38:47.580
And then when they're done, you say, okay, I want to make sure.
00:38:57.420
They're going to stop and go, yeah, well, there's some other things.
00:39:07.960
Let me show you the evidence that you're wrong about this, this, or this.
00:39:12.180
Or perhaps you should look at it differently because of this, this, and this.
00:39:19.360
I would ask that you, as my family or my friend, would give me the same opportunity.
00:39:28.420
And then repeat back, unemotionally, everything you heard me say in a fair and balanced way.
00:39:34.720
Don't, don't, when you're repeating them back, don't put vitriol into it.
00:39:44.900
If you don't get that same respect back, you're not going to make a difference.
00:39:51.820
But if you can get with people who will give you the same respect back, that means you have
00:39:57.140
a citizen that wants to fix the problem and understand, we are not going to fix this.
00:40:02.660
Look, you know, I just did the both sides monologue, you know, made the case for and
00:40:09.880
That's not going to make me more popular in a, in a world gone mad.
00:40:13.700
Everybody wants me to pick a side and I have a side and I'll tell you what my side is.
00:40:17.920
I already have told you, but I am trying to make the argument for the other side as well.
00:40:29.900
And especially unconstitutional, unconstitutional matters.
00:40:42.860
I want to get to Gail because Gail's perspective on this is exactly what I've seen from a lot of
00:40:50.320
Gail says there has to be a way to get the Minnesota authorities to heal and support federal
00:40:56.500
Using it will just fuel the Hitler narrative about Trump.
00:40:59.500
And I have conservative friends who are buying into that narrative.
00:41:03.420
And that's why he has to be extraordinarily careful.
00:41:07.400
But he is, I believe he is justified because what are you going to do to get Tim Walls?
00:41:15.320
You have people that are trying to pull off a color revolution.
00:41:19.320
I don't know if Tim Walls is part of that or not.
00:41:21.380
I do know Tim Walls is involved in massive corruption.
00:41:24.840
So that gives him a reason to discredit and thwart and cause all kinds of chaos.
00:41:31.300
So those feds never come walking into his house and knocking on his door.
00:41:36.840
That's the motivation here for the left on that.
00:41:41.520
Color revolution and also corruption with Tim Walls on his side.
00:41:52.900
I don't know how many documents we have in there, but tens if not hundreds of thousands
00:41:58.180
And it's getting bigger every day of all founding documents.
00:42:06.680
We are growing this thing exponentially every day.
00:42:11.120
And it does not know anything about the present day situation.
00:42:15.020
If we have to come up with hypothetical situations and we don't want to put anything in and it's
00:42:23.940
So it's, it can't hallucinate and it cannot pull from outside of their documents.
00:42:29.520
So it's not like chat GPT that can give an opinion or pull from something else.
00:42:38.460
So we asked George AI, and this is going to be the George AI that's released later on
00:42:43.640
So we asked George AI, what do you make of a situation like this?
00:42:49.140
And we explained the situation as best we could without picking sides, without using
00:42:54.260
What should the federal government, what would the founders have done?
00:43:02.360
The new Republic was fragile, barely tested, and already it was catching fire.
00:43:06.140
Western Massachusetts was boiling, boiling, boiling over.
00:43:08.860
Daniel Shays and a mob of dissatisfied veterans and farmers are closing in on courthouses, armed
00:43:19.600
The Shays' rebellion was, I mean, you want to talk about having the sympathy of people?
00:43:24.900
These were soldiers who fought in the revolution and were not being paid.
00:43:29.680
And they were going broke, and they were struggling, and they were going to lose everything, and
00:43:40.700
So you want to talk about sympathy being on their side?
00:43:44.520
But they were going, and they were obstructing the courts.
00:43:47.400
They were causing all kinds of problems, and some of it was violent.
00:43:53.940
The founders sent in the militia, not cheering, not stomping.
00:44:00.040
It was just a desperate, a desperate move to avoid collapse.
00:44:05.160
And it was very controversial at the time because people said, look, they're just becoming King
00:44:17.280
The judiciary was being threatened, and the entire government of the people by the people
00:44:35.200
Let me repaint the scene, but this time, instead of going back, let me paint the scene now.
00:44:39.380
Federal laws get passed, but a bunch of state governments raise their hands and say, no,
00:44:43.460
not here, not in our town, not in our state, not in our courts.
00:44:48.580
They tell their police departments not to cooperate.
00:44:50.860
The governors speak publicly, even approvingly, of people mobilizing in the streets, dismissing
00:44:56.200
the violence, saying it's a mostly peaceful protest.
00:45:00.720
It's to actively block and confront federal officers, and it turns violent.
00:45:06.480
So we asked George, what would the founders do?
00:45:12.640
George Washington, or Madison, or Hamilton, or even Jefferson, see the Insurrection Act,
00:45:19.040
would they see it as the right tool in a mess like this?
00:45:23.300
Not would they support authoritarianism, because that's lazy thinking.
00:45:27.600
Would they see this kind of national fracture as justifying federal boots on the ground?
00:45:32.880
Let's use Washington, because he was the one who hated, he and Jefferson hated it the most.
00:45:43.640
So he becomes president in his first term, and the whiskey rebellion is there.
00:45:55.380
And the whiskey people are like, what are you doing taxing?
00:46:03.240
He not only sent in the troops, he led the troops in to put that rebellion down.
00:46:11.160
He actually wrote in himself as the head of the militia.
00:46:15.760
And he wasn't doing it to intimidate the population.
00:46:17.960
He was not doing it because he loved federal power.
00:46:26.820
But he saw, he knew what happens when the center loses authority.
00:46:31.860
If the center starts to crumble and fall apart, the republic would be over.
00:46:40.160
But they hated disunion just as much, if not more.
00:47:15.280
He would have done it to restore the system of government that we have all voted on.
00:47:30.220
And we haven't even gotten just to the people who are here because they wanted a better life.
00:47:37.500
The three that just beat that ICE officer within an inch of his life just two days ago, they were part of a nasty, nasty gang.
00:47:50.620
How are you making this about, you know, little Jose, who just wants to go to school and wants some, you know, some Cheerios in the morning because he couldn't get anything back home in Guatemala?
00:48:08.340
This is not, I don't think, this is resistance.
00:48:21.140
And I will tell you, I do not, I was not for the use of insurrection in an easy, lazy way.
00:48:33.960
January 6th, the media and the left immediately came out and called January 6th an insurrection.
00:48:44.760
And I told you they were doing it for a reason.
00:48:47.160
It was the most dangerous thing since the Civil War, that insurrection of January 6th.
00:49:12.540
I don't think that was insurrection, but okay, they defined it.
00:49:18.000
This is much more of insurrection than that ever was, but I don't want to become like them.
00:49:29.320
And I believe the president is justified to calmly, rationally make the case in a very serious way.
00:49:44.000
Just state the facts as the Constitution lays it out.
00:49:47.680
Show exactly, have somebody of credibility to make sure you're there making the case.
00:49:59.040
Make the federal constitutional case in a reasoned way and put down this insurrection.
00:50:10.820
So we asked insiders only about 20 minutes ago, should President Trump invoke the Insurrection Act in Minnesota?
00:50:26.340
And you can find that poll now at glenbeck.com.
00:50:30.040
I will bet you the 38%, because this is our audience, I'll bet you the 38% are saying,
00:50:34.680
I really would like him to, but I'm afraid the way they'll react will cause civil war.
00:50:46.820
Check out the full show podcast anywhere you download podcasts.
00:50:50.700
One of my favorite guests we ever have on is Brad Meltzer.
00:50:55.480
And usually we schedule an hour, but there's so much going on in the world
00:50:58.240
that I can only get a few minutes with him today.
00:51:01.180
But he's got a new book out in the Escape Artist series.
00:51:05.620
It's book number three, but you don't have to read one and two.
00:51:10.820
Can you give us a synopsis of the Viper here without giving away the whole plot?
00:51:19.520
A man walks into a funeral home carrying his favorite blue suit because he's got a terminal
00:51:25.960
disease and this is the suit that he wants to be buried in.
00:51:30.020
You know, if you open up in your local bank a safety deposit box, then paperwork gets filed.
00:51:38.180
Same thing if you go to the UPS store and open up a PO box.
00:51:40.900
But if you secretly sew something into the lining of your suit and you hand that suit
00:51:47.400
over to your local mortician, you have an ultimate untraceable hiding spot.
00:51:52.640
So the man leaves the suit in the funeral home, goes back to his hotel where there's a man
00:52:01.500
Our guy says, I don't know what you're talking about.
00:52:07.040
You won't believe what's hidden inside it or who's about to find it.
00:52:14.800
I just, I love the way you think and I love the way you put real stuff in.
00:52:20.140
So this idea of hiding it in the suit, that's all real, right?
00:52:27.600
I mean, you're making it up, but it could be done.
00:52:34.740
I went to a funeral home and I'm going through the funeral home researching and I see this
00:52:42.620
I say to the funeral director, what's in there?
00:52:47.020
He opens up the door and there's all these old suits and like, you know, like what your
00:52:51.800
grandmother would wear to a wedding, like a sequined gown.
00:52:54.360
And he says, if you're, if you're old and you don't have a lot of family, you pick out
00:53:02.060
There's a cowboy hat that someone says, my ex-wife hated this hat.
00:53:08.840
And I said, that's the best hiding spot I've ever seen.
00:53:11.780
So this, this whole book is about hiding and disappearing, but, um, and I want to get into
00:53:15.900
some of the, uh, disappearance, uh, part of this, but, um, can we go back?
00:53:23.880
Ricky, would you book him for a long-term podcast?
00:53:27.400
Um, we had a conversation about the mortuary at Dover Air Force Base, the best mortuary in
00:53:34.900
the, in the world, um, because of what they do to take care of our soldiers, et cetera,
00:53:39.860
But you did not tell me something that played a role in this book.
00:53:43.640
And you actually thinking this way is on nine 11, somebody hid a secret.
00:53:49.740
They were on the plane on nine 11 and they hid a secret and the secret was found.
00:53:56.660
We don't know what it was, but you've confirmed it.
00:54:01.280
This is one of the most incredible stories I've ever been a part of.
00:54:06.680
Um, when I was researching my book, I went to the morticians and I said, have you ever
00:54:10.940
seen like a, could someone hide a secret message on their body, maybe in a tattoo?
00:54:16.080
And they said to me, if you're on an airplane and the plane is about to go down and you write
00:54:23.560
a quick note and then you eat that note that the liquids in your stomach will actually
00:54:39.700
One of the morticians who I was talking to was one of the people, you know, all the
00:54:43.480
Dovers where not just our fallen soldiers go, but where the nine 11 victims went and they
00:54:48.860
were working on one of the bodies there and they found the note that someone ate on nine
00:54:54.340
They would not tell me what was in it, but I would, that's what I used in the book.
00:54:59.280
And it was one of the most chilling, incredible stories from the firsthand person who did it
00:55:09.200
But I would imagine, I mean, you'd have to be military or a spook or I don't know, a mortician
00:55:15.280
that would know, eat the note and it'd be protected.
00:55:18.980
I mean, of course, of course, this is someone who's smart, right?
00:55:24.020
And the thing that was amazing is on that day, he gave me other, they gave me other
00:55:27.920
details as well that said, you know, at one point they were working on someone and the
00:55:32.000
FBI came racing in and was crowded around them.
00:55:35.440
And they were going, why are they, why do they want this person that I'm working on at
00:55:41.980
And they realized quickly that the body they were working on was actually one of the pilots
00:55:50.000
Because what came in were pieces of people, you know, things, and they were trying to put
00:55:54.040
truly things back together to piece together what was happening.
00:55:58.600
Like, as you said, someone who has the wherewithal to do that on a plane and know to do that,
00:56:03.880
we forget that, yes, fallen soldiers go to Dover.
00:56:06.600
But when the space shuttle exploded, those bodies went to Dover too.
00:56:11.760
And even in Venezuela right now, all the CIA people that helped us with this operation,
00:56:16.160
all our CIA people around the world, if something goes sideways, their bodies go to Dover as
00:56:22.280
And Dover is where truly it's America's most secretive funeral home.
00:56:27.020
And that's where I set the viper in all my books.
00:56:28.940
Because, you know, the morticians there will spend 12 hours rewiring someone's jaw,
00:56:34.300
smoothing it over with clay, because the family wants to see their fallen soldier's son one
00:56:39.460
last time, rebuilding someone's hand, because someone says, I want to hold my son's hand
00:56:45.140
These are the best of the best of us working on the best of the best of us, and obviously
00:56:49.100
became the best setting for a book for me, just to honor these people and show the dignity
00:56:55.100
So you do, I mean, obviously, we just went to say, you do amazing research on all of your
00:56:59.740
books, and this one centers around, I mean, it's the Escape Artist series, and this one
00:57:05.860
centers around kind of the, you know, just disappearing.
00:57:14.160
Well, Glenn, you know, I've taken my readers into the secret tunnels below the White House,
00:57:20.200
For the viper, I wanted to do witness protection, to see, can you disappear?
00:57:27.260
It's one of the hardest things I've ever had to research, for obvious reasons.
00:57:29.940
They're not going to tell you, you know, how witness protection works.
00:57:32.800
And when you think of witness protection, what do you think of?
00:57:36.960
You think of Tony Soprano or the other Goodfellas, and, you know, a mobster testifies against another
00:57:52.180
So what happened was, is witness protection, instead of having mobsters in it, suddenly
00:57:57.720
started having gang members in it, because gangs started thriving when the mob disappeared.
00:58:06.860
So terrorists became the biggest group in witness protection.
00:58:09.220
You want to know one of the number one groups in witness protection right now is actually
00:58:17.940
And the thing that I love, just to directly answer your question, is figuring out how
00:58:24.040
And witness protection, the Marshal Service, we have nothing but respect for.
00:58:29.320
The other day at a book signing, a U.S. Marshal came up to me and said, I work for the Marshal
00:58:35.420
And I want to tell you where the secret safe house is.
00:58:41.080
But the best part was, is I wanted to know how you do disappear.
00:58:46.680
And they said to me, and this is true, that no one, the Marshal Service has never lost anyone
00:58:53.060
in witness protection as long as they followed all of our rules.
00:58:58.680
And here's the thing, is it used to be if someone moved to your neighborhood, you could
00:59:04.520
look at them and say, I want to meet them or I don't want to meet them.
00:59:08.100
And then if they moved in and they were in witness protection, you didn't know.
00:59:11.960
But now if someone moves to your neighborhood, what do we do?
00:59:15.420
We immediately go on Zillow and we Google how much they paid for their house.
00:59:20.680
If they don't have a Facebook page, well, now that's even more suspicious.
00:59:25.600
We look up to see whether they have a criminal record.
00:59:29.980
And witness protection itself has had to adapt to that.
00:59:33.320
You can't just make a fake driver's license and call it a day.
00:59:42.180
And this is the secret is that when you when you disappear and they and they try to make
00:59:48.160
you have your new identity, their big rule is you can't contact anyone.
00:59:54.520
Sometimes you leave your sister behind, your brother behind.
00:59:57.320
One of the biggest things you leave behind for the most part is your dog.
01:00:03.880
And that's one of the ones that people, you know, it's hard to leave your dog.
01:00:12.060
So and the thing is, is that after six months, you say, I want to just see how he or she is.
01:00:22.600
I think, you know, the government can do it because they can get in and do all of this stuff.
01:00:26.440
But how do you get around facial recognition and can the average person, if you were going
01:00:31.600
to make me disappear and it wasn't the the federal government that was behind it, could
01:00:38.780
The way it happens is you have to say goodbye to technology.
01:00:42.080
That's the number one way, as you said, and facial recognition, there are ways to beat
01:00:46.300
It's getting harder and harder because obviously it's now not just your face anymore.
01:00:50.980
And, you know, I know how to be you can beat handprints.
01:00:56.980
But again, you have to leave all that technology behind.
01:01:00.160
And everyone says, well, I can leave technology behind.
01:01:02.720
But the hardest thing to leave behind is your life.
01:01:05.140
What they said to me is that there is a call of home.
01:01:11.060
And when you want to check up on that family member, when you want to check up on your old
01:01:14.980
dog, when you want to check up on someone you love that you miss, you go, people say,
01:01:19.260
you know what, I'm just going to make one phone call and I won't make another one.
01:01:34.160
You are going to be, and this is a dream come true for you.
01:01:38.240
You're going to be writing a Superman, Spider-Man comic book with Marvel.
01:01:45.640
I mean, the first time, was it the first time that we met, we started saving the Superman
01:01:56.000
I'm in Cleveland, Ohio right now where we save the house.
01:02:01.400
My final event in the book tour right now, it ends in Cleveland, the birthplace of Superman.
01:02:06.340
And I've been keeping this secret for six months, Glenn.
01:02:09.260
But everyone knows that DC is Superman and Batman and Marvel is Spider-Man and Iron Man
01:02:17.060
And every 10 to 25 years, they have a crossover.
01:02:23.720
The first one was from this year is 50 years ago.
01:02:27.180
This is the year that celebrates the 50-year anniversary of their first meeting of Spider-Man
01:02:31.840
And I got a call from six months ago from Marvel Comics.
01:02:35.320
And they said, we're going to celebrate the 50th anniversary.
01:02:38.460
Superman and Spider-Man are going to team up in one book.
01:02:44.320
And that sound you heard was me fainting right there in the moment.
01:02:48.920
But it's a dream come true because, you know, our love of Superman comes from the same exact
01:02:55.300
And it's that the most important part of the story is not Superman.
01:02:59.820
The most important part of the story is Clark Kent.
01:03:04.940
And we all know what it's like to be boring and ordinary and wish we did something beyond
01:03:09.240
It's the same reason why I love those soldiers who go and wind up at Dover Air Force Base
01:03:16.520
It's these regular, ordinary people who are making such a difference for those who give their
01:03:22.700
It's not the superhero part, it's the Clark Kent part.
01:03:26.140
And to be able to be a part of that is one of the greatest gifts I've ever been given.
01:03:31.800
It comes out on tax day, April 15th, it'll be out.
01:03:35.560
And, you know, what I take away from all this, Glenn, I'll say this, is a few years ago,
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I was in an airport restroom, not the most glamorous place, right?
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And next to me is another guy who's washing his hands.
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He's about five seconds ahead of me in the process.
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And he walks out of the restroom and I'm about five steps behind him.
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And he looks over at the janitor and he says, thanks for keeping it clean.
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And it just strikes me that moment of kindness, that Clark Kent moment of kindness.
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And I start saying now, every time I go into any restroom in a fancy restaurant or in an airport bathroom, thank you for keeping it clean.
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I mean, I'd never looked twice at the janitor, much less spoken to him.
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But what I love about that story, Glenn, is that that guy who set it all in motion, I have no idea who he is.
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He has no idea who I am or that I've been doing it.
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But for 20 years now, I've been saying thank you for keeping it clean because of this one kind person.
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But I love even more is my son started saying it because and not because I asked him.
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And I love the fact that you and I can have this moment about Superman or you can have this story about these soldiers, you know, that that we hear about.
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Sometimes you throw it out there and then boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
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And so, you know, I love the fact that that's how the world works and that this thing that you and I work to build and save and the Superman house.
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I mean, I think you have the best life of anybody I know.
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Anything that Brad Meltzer writes is so good because he's such a good storyteller.
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But then on top of it, he adds all of this historic fact in it.