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00:00:30.320 On the podcast today, just a great one you don't want to miss.

00:00:33.840 I spend the first hour of the program on the Insurrection Act.

00:00:38.380 Should it be used to maintain order, gain order or not?

00:00:44.080 This is a constitutional imperative that we answer this without a team Trump or a team Democrat hat on.

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00:01:41.240 And good and bad news with Carol Roth on the economy.

00:01:44.860 What is coming?

00:01:45.720 What are the jobs you need to look for?

00:01:47.300 What does the tariff mess mean?

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00:03:57.540 You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:04:01.720 So I have some good news on the economic front.

00:04:06.700 Unemployment claims unexpectedly have fallen to 198,000.

00:04:11.340 I'd like to know more about that.

00:04:12.740 Mortgage rates have fallen to a three-year low.

00:04:15.020 We're now at a 6% mortgage rate, which is really good.

00:04:19.140 Bad news.

00:04:20.040 Americans are filing for more bankruptcy.

00:04:23.220 But there is a story behind that.

00:04:26.780 The baby boomer is not the one that is the median American homebuyer.

00:04:33.220 So some of that is not right.

00:04:34.660 And there was a list that came out today.

00:04:37.940 It's in our show prep about the jobs that you should be training for if you're young.

00:04:43.080 And it is amazing to me because when everybody was saying learn to code, get into AI and everything else, I was saying don't do that.

00:04:50.000 The one thing – that's all going to be covered.

00:04:51.620 The one thing that AI cannot do is show personal compassion.

00:04:55.940 You can't look AI in the eyes.

00:04:58.080 And doctors are going to be really replaced a lot of what they do with AI because when you need somebody to make a judgment on what's going on really, it can process more information.

00:05:09.000 But you can't have your nurses or your physical therapist being AI.

00:05:13.780 You're going to want a person when there's pain involved.

00:05:16.380 And those are, I think, the top 10 jobs that they're now recommending.

00:05:21.080 It's all medicine, not doctors, below that.

00:05:25.900 Let me bring in Carol Roth.

00:05:30.400 She is the author of You Will Own Nothing.

00:05:32.280 She's also helped me put together the capital controls program.

00:05:36.720 She's one of the people in the documentary.

00:05:38.340 Carol, I just was talking about tariffs and what the Supreme Court is going to decide one way or another.

00:05:46.940 But if they decide to say the president doesn't have a right or ability to do any of these things, this is massive chaos.

00:05:54.960 Am I right or wrong?

00:05:57.500 So I think that you're absolutely right that this is massive chaos,

00:06:02.300 particularly if they say that the administration has to do refunds.

00:06:09.480 Because from an administrative standpoint, both at the federal level,

00:06:14.600 but then also trickling down to all of the businesses who may have passed tariffs onto their customers,

00:06:22.300 in some cases, transparently.

00:06:24.500 The undoing of that is going to be just mass, mass chaos,

00:06:30.700 which is why I think we could very well be in for a hybrid ruling,

00:06:36.340 one where they say, okay, you don't have the emergency powers,

00:06:40.480 but we're going to not make this retroactive.

00:06:43.240 This is going to be a go forward.

00:06:45.200 We're putting the stake in the ground right now.

00:06:48.400 And so from that standpoint, I don't think it's as much chaos as you do, Glenn.

00:06:55.340 I'm not usually the one that's talking you off the ledge.

00:06:58.140 I'm usually the one pushing you off the ledge.

00:06:59.280 Well, but you're talking about economic.

00:07:01.380 I'm talking about global chaos.

00:07:03.920 I'm talking about, because all these tariffs,

00:07:06.760 they're all levers to change the world into our direction.

00:07:10.320 So all of these agreements that he's got,

00:07:12.860 now everybody's going to look like president doesn't,

00:07:15.760 president can't do what he says he wants to do.

00:07:18.100 So he loses that.

00:07:19.340 And all of these things that have pushed rare minerals our way,

00:07:23.520 it's all up for grabs again.

00:07:25.020 And it's going to make China look stable.

00:07:27.200 Let me potentially talk you off the ledge and then throw some good,

00:07:30.300 good possibilities out there, which again, is a little,

00:07:32.760 a little reversal of rules.

00:07:34.320 From a foreign policy standpoint,

00:07:36.560 I understand that trade has been a lever,

00:07:39.080 but the strength of Trump and the military and, you know,

00:07:44.940 sort of his unpredictability and his suite of tools has been absolutely unparalleled

00:07:52.880 from, you know, helping to free the hostages in Gaza,

00:07:57.340 to the surgical strike in Iran, to the capturing of Maduro.

00:08:03.600 I mean, everybody is on notice and I don't think a ruling on tariffs is going to undo

00:08:10.300 the absolute strength that we have shown on the world stage from that standpoint.

00:08:16.140 I hope you're right.

00:08:17.280 Furthermore, and obviously, you know, I am not a legal expert,

00:08:21.780 but in my research, you have folks who do these things,

00:08:25.400 research these things like Cato.

00:08:27.340 I believe that there are other tariff options that are not emergency tariff options.

00:08:34.700 So if it is struck down,

00:08:36.460 there is no doubt in my mind that the administration has already decided

00:08:40.780 whether it's the Trade Expansion Act for, you know, national security reasons,

00:08:45.980 whether it's the, you know, balance of payment issues.

00:08:48.780 There are multiple sections of trade acts where they can pivot.

00:08:52.720 So, yes, it's a setback and one that, in my opinion, is an unforced error.

00:08:58.080 But I think that there is so much strength from this administration in other areas and other options

00:09:05.860 that it won't be as bad.

00:09:08.160 Yes, it'll be chaotic.

00:09:09.460 It won't be a good thing.

00:09:11.040 But I don't think that it'll go that way.

00:09:12.860 I hope you're right.

00:09:13.580 You know, I talked to the president, you know, weeks ago when this was being argued.

00:09:17.420 And I said, what happens if that goes away?

00:09:19.860 And he said, oh, there are other ways we can deal with this.

00:09:23.260 I'm not that concerned.

00:09:24.320 I think they are concerned, but they were prepared for this going either way.

00:09:29.220 And I do think that the reason why the court decision hasn't come out this week, which they

00:09:34.980 talked about maybe coming out this week, I think one of the reasons why they're delaying

00:09:39.240 is they're trying to split the cat, if you will, and make sure they don't do complete,

00:09:45.680 you know, just devastation to everything.

00:09:49.060 Trying to find a way that kind of keeps the Constitution.

00:09:53.100 The Constitution gives the president powers that he might need.

00:09:56.520 And more importantly, give everybody a chance to find a way out.

00:10:02.780 Yes.

00:10:03.540 Yes.

00:10:03.840 And time to prepare.

00:10:05.400 The longer it goes on, the more it's creating signals to the administration.

00:10:10.220 And the more that they're able to prepare for the out.

00:10:12.440 I agree.

00:10:12.780 Okay.

00:10:13.100 So we got a couple of things.

00:10:14.340 We just got to race through because I've only got about six minutes left with you.

00:10:18.900 Let's start with Powell.

00:10:21.560 The president has gone after Powell.

00:10:23.140 He's threatening a lawsuit against Powell.

00:10:24.600 But Powell, his term expires in, what, March?

00:10:29.300 May.

00:10:29.800 May.

00:10:30.220 It expires in May.

00:10:31.380 Right.

00:10:31.800 Yeah.

00:10:31.980 And so he's going to be replaced anyway.

00:10:34.500 Is this about lowering the interest rates in that time period?

00:10:39.100 What is this really all about?

00:10:41.440 Yeah.

00:10:41.860 It's interesting because, you know, if you listen to the Trump administration and the

00:10:46.400 AGs, they're saying, we have no idea what Powell's talking about.

00:10:50.800 You know, we never said it was indictment.

00:10:52.040 And we're just trying to get some information from him.

00:10:54.120 And so the fact that you have Powell coming out in an unprecedented move, I mean, the Fed

00:10:59.420 does not make statements outside normal scheduled business hours and scheduled statements.

00:11:06.200 And by the way, if you watch the statement, it's like a hostage video.

00:11:10.540 He's like gulping.

00:11:11.740 It's really uncomfortable.

00:11:13.480 You know what it reminded me of?

00:11:14.460 The only other time I've seen the Fed make a Sunday night announcement was TARP.

00:11:20.060 And it felt like the same thing.

00:11:21.840 I was going to say COVID, yes.

00:11:22.800 Oh, yeah.

00:11:23.120 COVID.

00:11:23.800 Yeah.

00:11:24.900 But really, really, yeah.

00:11:26.600 Uncomfortable.

00:11:27.280 It's weird.

00:11:28.420 It's like an emergency thing.

00:11:30.060 Yes.

00:11:30.320 But it does come off political, if that is actually what's happening, which is sort of

00:11:38.200 unclear that that's actually what is happening.

00:11:41.320 But I think if you're going to go after the Fed for anything, the absolute cavalier nature

00:11:49.520 of the fact that they have hurt affordability for Americans, they've made housing unaffordable,

00:11:54.440 they've helped enable our tremendous debt, there are so many things that we can go after

00:11:59.760 the Fed for that, you know, the cost on a renovation that's not being funded by taxpayers

00:12:05.220 directly seems strange.

00:12:07.520 Unless, again, very, very, you know, 4D chess here, maybe it's a way to open up an audit.

00:12:14.340 Maybe it's a way to actually get to something else by coming in through this route.

00:12:20.160 If anybody could do it, he is the guy, too, if he wanted to, to get that done.

00:12:23.900 Tell me about Warsh, the guy who looks like the president may select.

00:12:29.340 Okay, so this is huge breaking news.

00:12:32.100 Per CNBC, the president made comments today, and the front runner for the position was Trump's

00:12:39.760 top economic advisor, a different Kevin, Kevin Hassett, that we all know, had the director

00:12:44.680 of the National Economic Council.

00:12:46.720 Now Trump is saying, well, you know, Kevin, I really'd like to keep you in this place, which

00:12:52.760 made everyone go, oh, Kevin, you know, Hassett's not the top pick.

00:12:56.680 It's Kevin Warsh.

00:12:58.240 And the concern with Hassett is that he's too tied into the administration, that he would

00:13:03.860 be, you know, sort of a wonky economist that's doing Trump's bidding.

00:13:08.040 Kevin Warsh is somebody who is a former Wall Street guy, former M&A banker that went into

00:13:13.460 politics.

00:13:14.080 He was appointed to the Board of Governors of the Fed by George W. Bush.

00:13:19.800 And so he has that experience, but he also is sort of a liaison.

00:13:25.320 So during the Great Recession financial crisis, he was the one who was liaising between the

00:13:31.520 Fed and the banks and the White House and creating that.

00:13:34.320 So he's seen, even though he's somebody who wants to lower interest rates and he's aligned

00:13:39.600 with a lot of the president's policies, he's somebody who's considered more credible in

00:13:47.680 that type of position.

00:13:48.720 Yeah, I don't like that.

00:13:49.560 We can argue whether that's good or bad, but the market likes that.

00:13:52.260 Yeah, I know the market will like that.

00:13:53.600 That's not the kind of guy I want.

00:13:55.120 I want somebody in there who's like, you know what I'd really like to do is set fire to this 0.51

00:13:58.520 whole thing.

00:13:59.800 You want Ron Paul in there.

00:14:01.420 Yeah, I would love Ron Paul in there.

00:14:03.340 Just cancel it, right?

00:14:03.700 I would.

00:14:04.260 I would.

00:14:04.800 So let me talk to you about, quickly, I just want to run through a whole bunch of topics,

00:14:08.960 the wealth tax in California. 1.00

00:14:13.040 If this thing passes, I mean, this is how stupid these people are. 1.00

00:14:16.820 They have built Silicon Valley. 1.00

00:14:19.200 They are leading the AI revolution, all of that.

00:14:22.760 Then they attack that very revolution at the time when that revolution is going to make or

00:14:28.060 break your area.

00:14:29.200 They get rid of all of your electricity.

00:14:32.060 Then they start going after those billionaires that have set all of those things up and get

00:14:35.980 them to move all of their assets out of California.

00:14:38.900 What the hell is California going to have left in the end?

00:14:41.980 Who are they going to tax?

00:14:43.720 Well, I'm less concerned about California as I am about the rest of the country, because

00:14:49.660 this is something that is going to have reverberations throughout the country.

00:14:53.000 We know every bad economic proposal this country has is incubated in California, and then it

00:15:00.040 ends up spreading.

00:15:01.160 So if this is something that is adopted, and you talked about capital control, let's try

00:15:04.980 to trap wealth here in the state.

00:15:07.240 You know, if it's January 1st and you are not out of here yet, we're going to make this

00:15:10.700 retroactive.

00:15:11.420 You have to keep it in the state.

00:15:12.680 Well, that's because there are other states to go to.

00:15:15.020 If Democrats get behind this nationally, this means this could be enacted not only nationally,

00:15:20.800 but we know no policies that come out for the wealthy ever stay with the wealthy.

00:15:25.060 They roll down to the middle class.

00:15:26.840 So this is a Trojan horse.

00:15:28.160 But also something that you've talked about that's so critically important is we are in

00:15:33.900 a race for our lives with tech for the future of this country in terms of the economy and

00:15:39.780 growth and national security.

00:15:41.920 Silicon Valley is important to that.

00:15:45.020 And if we have a disruption in innovation, if we have a disruption in the stock market,

00:15:52.600 which all of a sudden impacts all of us and all of our wealth, these are things that don't

00:15:59.000 just impact the billionaires.

00:16:00.960 It rolls out to the rest of us and hurts the country overall.

00:16:06.300 So we can't just poo-poo it and say, oh, it's California.

00:16:09.640 You get what you vote for, because this has real consequences for everybody.

00:16:13.780 I will tell you that that's why a new stock market is being built here in Dallas, Texas,

00:16:19.580 why Elon moved to Texas, while they are building power plants and everything else that they

00:16:24.900 can to invite that money here.

00:16:26.480 I think the capital of innovation and money just may end up being Texas in the end.

00:16:33.640 And by the way, you know, we were talking about California and you said this will spread.

00:16:37.120 I think on that list of absolute spreading to trapping money in states, New York, California,

00:16:44.960 Washington state, Illinois.

00:16:46.800 I mean, it's just going to happen, right?

00:16:49.820 You nailed it in order.

00:16:51.400 Yeah, absolutely.

00:16:52.900 Yeah, it is going to happen.

00:16:55.740 And we've seen it here in Chicago just from bad policies.

00:16:59.840 We had, you know, our biggest billionaire, Ken Griffin, who left.

00:17:04.200 Not only did he take his tax revenue, he took his philanthropy with it.

00:17:08.120 And now the middle class is having to pay crazy increases in property tax and energy and the

00:17:13.980 like, because we no longer have that tax revenue and they have shrunk the pie and nobody is

00:17:19.900 economically illiterate or economically illiterate.

00:17:22.320 All those charities are now like, what, what happened?

00:17:24.800 How are we going to raise this money?

00:17:26.440 You know, why isn't he still giving to the charities he's always believed in Illinois?

00:17:29.740 Because he's not in Illinois anymore.

00:17:31.600 You chased him out of Illinois.

00:17:33.580 Of course, he's going to, he's going to build up the area he's around.

00:17:36.880 It's not city.

00:17:38.240 He, he made personal investments in the city.

00:17:40.820 We have this gorgeous, um, you know, bike and walking path that goes right along Lake

00:17:45.120 Michigan that was funded because he wanted to do that.

00:17:49.000 I know now he's not doing that anymore because he doesn't live here and people don't seem

00:17:53.060 to understand why he wouldn't want to invest in Illinois anymore when you pushed him out

00:17:56.120 and sent him to Florida.

00:17:57.360 Yeah, it's, it's, the world is upside down.

00:17:59.840 Um, but I, I'm, I'm actually more positive Carol than I've been in a long time.

00:18:04.660 And that usually means trouble.

00:18:06.260 How are, how are you?

00:18:07.600 Are you, well, you have to understand Glenn, my Chicago bears beat the green Bay Packers

00:18:13.820 last week in the NFL wildcard, which is like our Superbowl.

00:18:17.300 We haven't won the Superbowl in 40 years.

00:18:19.300 We're playing with house money and we have a young team.

00:18:21.360 So yes, of course I'm optimistic.

00:18:22.600 I know that's, I think that's one of the signs that Jesus is coming, but, uh, just might

00:18:27.240 be me.

00:18:27.660 We do have the Pope.

00:18:28.820 The Pope is from Chicago.

00:18:29.980 I know.

00:18:30.540 I know.

00:18:31.100 I know.

00:18:31.700 Things couldn't get stranger.

00:18:33.280 All right.

00:18:33.760 Thank you so much, Carol.

00:18:34.860 I appreciate it.

00:18:37.000 We are in the middle of one of the worst flu seasons we've seen in decades.

00:18:40.860 And I don't think most people really understand that yet, you know, but this isn't the kind

00:18:45.220 of year where a couple of people, you know, get sick and everybody moves on.

00:18:48.600 This is, this one is different.

00:18:49.980 45 States are reporting abnormally high flu activity.

00:18:53.820 Millions of people have already caught it and it hasn't even peaked yet.

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00:19:43.160 So the last time that the Minnesotans had a peaceful protest, they burned their own city 0.69

00:19:49.420 down and everybody in the press is saying, oh, it's just peaceful protest.

00:19:53.140 Mostly peaceful.

00:19:54.200 No, it wasn't mostly peaceful.

00:19:55.500 It wasn't.

00:19:55.920 And anybody who cares to recognize the truth knows that wasn't a mostly peaceful protest.

00:20:02.040 Okay.

00:20:03.560 This is direct confrontation now between federal law enforcement carrying out legally authorized

00:20:10.000 operations and organized resistance on the ground that repeatedly turns violent.

00:20:16.220 That is not theoretical.

00:20:18.080 That's what we're seeing documented in real time.

00:20:22.320 And we're hearing the leaders say the same kind of thing.

00:20:25.320 Let me take you back to Tim Walsh.

00:20:27.340 I think it was at the beginning of the week where he was talking about how he wanted to

00:20:31.760 use the National Guard because we were headed towards civil war.

00:20:36.440 Listen to this.

00:20:37.540 Our history.

00:20:38.080 When things looked really bleak, it was Minnesota's first that held that line for the nation

00:20:43.520 on that July 3rd, 1863.

00:20:47.700 And I think now we may be in that moment that the nation's looking to us to hold the line

00:20:53.460 on democracy, to hold the line on decency, to hold the line on accountability.

00:20:57.620 And more than that, to rise up as neighbors and simply say, we can look out for one another.

00:21:06.240 Okay.

00:21:06.920 All of that is really good.

00:21:09.460 All of that is really good.

00:21:11.000 We can look out for one another.

00:21:12.640 But he went on to talk about how he is training the National Guard to be able to stand up against

00:21:18.920 the federal officers.

00:21:21.220 And they couch it two ways.

00:21:23.920 You've got to get involved.

00:21:24.840 You've got to get out on those streets, knowing that that is ratcheting up problems because

00:21:29.260 they're saying he's Hitler.

00:21:31.060 This is fascistic.

00:21:32.840 These guys are not doing their duty.

00:21:35.080 Why are they masked?

00:21:36.300 All of these things that make people think this is these are the Nazis.

00:21:39.980 I've got to stop the Nazis. 0.92

00:21:42.440 Okay.

00:21:43.320 They're also covering for themselves.

00:21:47.560 Part of the reason why the feds are in Minnesota is because of this massive fraud screen screen

00:21:53.260 and scheme that he helped put together.

00:21:57.480 Okay.

00:21:58.000 The other thing is the governor, I mean, Mayor Frye of Minnesota.

00:22:04.680 He is he was speaking.

00:22:06.780 I think it was yesterday.

00:22:08.040 And he has the chief of police behind him.

00:22:10.960 And if you are watching at glenbeck.com, you need to you need to see the face of the police

00:22:17.880 chief when he says it.

00:22:18.820 But but listen to what he says.

00:22:20.380 Go ahead.

00:22:25.140 Mayor Frye, do you have it?

00:22:26.180 And we're in a position right now where we have residents that are asking the very limited

00:22:32.960 number of police officers that we have to fight ICE agents on the street, to stand by

00:22:40.220 their neighbors.

00:22:42.740 We cannot be at a place right now in America where we have two governmental entities that

00:22:52.240 are literally fighting one another.

00:22:54.200 Why are we put in this position?

00:22:57.560 We're put in this position because we have approximately six.

00:23:01.680 Stop.

00:23:02.560 You don't matter who's put you in this position.

00:23:07.280 You don't do it.

00:23:08.620 You don't do it.

00:23:09.260 And at least he was saying.

00:23:10.640 But you'll notice that he was couching this with, hey, they want people in Minnesota, want

00:23:16.260 the police to join in and fight.

00:23:17.960 But we we understand why you feel that way.

00:23:21.400 We understand, but we can't.

00:23:22.640 And you can see it in the face of the police chief thinking like you are out of your mind.

00:23:27.660 What are you doing?

00:23:29.380 OK.

00:23:31.860 The federal immigration enforcement ICE, the operation in Minnesota, an ICE agent was attacked

00:23:37.760 two days ago with a shovel and a broom handle by multiple suspects.

00:23:42.420 He was carrying out an arrest.

00:23:46.500 He responded in defense of his life, shot one of the guys in the leg.

00:23:51.840 The men have since been identified as illegal immigrants.

00:23:55.060 What a surprise from Venezuela. 0.64

00:23:56.460 The first one was from Venezuela.

00:23:57.720 The second one was from Venezuela.

00:23:59.200 But the third one was from Venezuela.

00:24:01.120 And they were beating the ICE officer.

00:24:06.240 Now, who arrested them?

00:24:08.880 Did the police come and arrest?

00:24:11.300 Because that's the police job.

00:24:14.380 That is the police.

00:24:14.960 Police should have been there and said, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. 0.55

00:24:19.040 We have this under control.

00:24:20.360 You're under arrest.

00:24:21.320 Take them in.

00:24:21.960 And then, by law, according to the Insurrection Act, it wouldn't have been a problem if they

00:24:28.580 would have said, we're not cooperating with ICE.

00:24:31.340 We're not going to turn them over to ICE.

00:24:32.680 Might be a problem for you and me, et cetera, et cetera.

00:24:35.300 But my understanding from reading the Constitution, they cannot participate, but they can't actively

00:24:41.960 thwart.

00:24:43.460 OK.

00:24:44.680 They can't get involved and thwart and work against the United States government.

00:24:50.320 And once there is violent attacks on any federal agents, once the federal government cannot

00:24:56.280 carry out its federal duty because the court system or the system of the police or the governor

00:25:06.320 is thwarting them and actually obstructing them, then you have insurrection.

00:25:13.620 OK.

00:25:15.760 Imagine if you were standing in the middle of a crowd and you're chanting, block the feds,

00:25:19.660 stop them at all costs.

00:25:21.400 That's what's happening on the streets, except it's going beyond speech.

00:25:25.540 It's not a peaceful protest.

00:25:27.480 Real people are physically interfering with federal agents conducting sanctioned enforcement

00:25:32.740 actions.

00:25:34.140 Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly and freedom of petition means peaceful.

00:25:41.120 Once you start actively engaging, that's out the window.

00:25:45.500 Then you layer on top of that the actions of the state leadership from the governor and everybody

00:25:50.260 else.

00:25:50.700 It seems like they're encouraging all of this stuff, not condemning any of this stuff.

00:25:56.220 You've got a real problem.

00:25:57.440 So the perspective of the president and his advisors, there comes a point when the rule

00:26:02.240 of law is under threat.

00:26:03.700 When you have federal agents being attacked while attempting apprehensions, crowds that

00:26:08.620 have repeatedly thrown objects at officers, causing internal injuries, other kinds of injuries

00:26:15.280 as well, local officials unwilling or unable to assert state authority against that behavior,

00:26:22.500 then you can argue that ordinary law enforcement and all of its mechanisms no longer are sufficient

00:26:29.100 to preserve order and protect the federal officers doing their duty.

00:26:33.900 That is precisely when many constitutional lawyers say the Insurrection Act, that's what

00:26:39.480 it was designed for, designed to be invoked, not because people don't have a right to protest.

00:26:45.380 They do not because they don't have a right to disagree with policy.

00:26:49.680 You absolutely do.

00:26:50.880 And I will fight shoulder to shoulder with you for that.

00:26:53.440 But because the machinery of law enforcement is being repeatedly obstructed and federal officers

00:26:59.220 are being targeted in the performance of their duty, that's what the Insurrection Act

00:27:04.020 is for.

00:27:04.900 So the president, in his statement, framed this not as a vendetta, but as a defense of legitimate

00:27:11.500 authority.

00:27:12.740 We have people that need to be rounded up.

00:27:15.760 We have people that are here.

00:27:17.080 They're dangerous.

00:27:17.880 They're illegal.

00:27:18.560 They need to be taken out of the country.

00:27:20.420 That is the federal government's job to do that.

00:27:24.500 And the state is thwarting it.

00:27:27.260 They're also thwarting it because they're trying to get away with massive fraud.

00:27:32.280 So if the corrupt politicians of Minnesota don't obey the law and stop the professional

00:27:37.100 agitators and insurrectionists from attacking the patriots of ICE, this is what he said yesterday,

00:27:43.580 who are only trying to do their job, then we, yes, will institute the Insurrection Act.

00:27:48.400 The framing matters because it shifts the question from can the people protest to who upholds the

00:27:56.540 law when that law is being resisted.

00:27:59.700 And before you say this is a peaceful protest, it is not a peaceful protest.

00:28:04.860 There are documented cases, lots of them, of assault.

00:28:08.200 Watch the news.

00:28:09.740 Well, depending on who you're watching.

00:28:12.100 Look for the tape.

00:28:14.260 It's everywhere.

00:28:15.380 Okay.

00:28:15.940 And if that isn't the threshold to bring in the Insurrection Act, if that's not the way

00:28:22.540 we pull it in, well, if that's not what they had in mind, I don't know what to do.

00:28:29.220 I mean, they gave the president extraordinary power to preserve civil authority.

00:28:33.200 The same constitutional logic that says a governor cannot lawfully encourage or tolerate organized

00:28:39.940 opposition to a federal enforcement, just as the president cannot stand idly by when federal

00:28:45.760 officers are attacked.

00:28:47.380 That tension between order and chaos, between lawful protest and violent obstruction is exactly

00:28:54.320 the kind of crisis the Insurrection Act was written to address.

00:28:59.080 And in the face of escalating violence and political obstruction, some would argue it

00:29:05.280 has to be considered, if only to protect the rule of law.

00:29:09.960 Who protects the law?

00:29:12.520 Who protects the Constitution?

00:29:14.360 Look, it was an insurrection.

00:29:15.700 That's what they keep calling it on January 5th or 6th or whenever it was, you know, up at

00:29:20.420 Capitol Hill.

00:29:21.060 Would they have let that go on for days and days and said that was just, that was nothing

00:29:27.640 but a peaceful protest?

00:29:28.980 Of course not.

00:29:29.720 And I wouldn't have either.

00:29:31.120 It wasn't.

00:29:32.460 It wasn't.

00:29:33.620 When you have people beating cops, when you have people breaking windows, you have to stop

00:29:39.020 it immediately.

00:29:41.300 The president was the one who said, where's the National Guard?

00:29:46.840 But the left didn't want the National Guard there because they wanted that act of insurrection.

00:29:51.440 You wouldn't have done it for January 6th and you shouldn't do it now.

00:29:56.960 That's my opinion.

00:29:58.240 That's the president's opinion.

00:29:59.480 But let me make a strong case for the other side.

00:30:03.380 Same situation here.

00:30:05.300 Let's go through.

00:30:06.780 Before we cross a line that we can't uncross, let's slow down, not politically, not emotionally.

00:30:14.780 Constitutionally, let's look at things constitutionally, okay?

00:30:20.720 Because the Insurrection Act is not just a tool in the toolbox.

00:30:24.320 It is one of the most extreme domestic powers a president can wield short of martial law.

00:30:31.660 And once you normalize this use, you don't get to decide who uses it next or for what purpose.

00:30:36.860 This is what my fear is.

00:30:38.560 It's going to be used against us.

00:30:41.120 Okay?

00:30:41.240 When they get in power, they'll use everything.

00:30:42.800 They don't have these conversations, okay?

00:30:46.380 I respect the Constitution.

00:30:48.360 You do too.

00:30:49.120 So we have to be very, very careful.

00:30:51.400 Federal agents have been assaulted.

00:30:53.380 And that is real.

00:30:54.300 That's serious.

00:30:55.620 And those responsible should be arrested, charged, and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

00:31:01.140 But here's the question that matters.

00:31:03.580 Is this an insurrection?

00:31:06.580 I won't.

00:31:07.760 I'm just going to give you the opposite side here.

00:31:09.680 Or is it just criminal violence within a functioning civil order?

00:31:14.680 Because they're not the same thing.

00:31:16.460 An insurrection is not defined by anger.

00:31:19.200 It's not defined by even shocking violence.

00:31:21.880 It is defined by the collapse of civil authority.

00:31:24.740 When the courts and the state can no longer function, when the police will not enforce the law,

00:31:30.400 and when the state itself has ceased to govern, that's what has to happen.

00:31:38.500 You know, the Shays' Rebellion, this is around the turn of, you know, the beginning of our country. 1.00

00:31:44.420 It was because, I think it was Massachusetts, the court system was being attacked.

00:31:48.360 Nobody would let the courts make any of the decisions.

00:31:51.300 And so, the federal government had to come in and put that down.

00:31:55.060 Is this Minnesota today?

00:31:56.660 Because the courts are open, the police are operating, and arrests have been made.

00:32:01.180 State institutions, however flawed, however political, still exist and are still functioning.

00:32:06.020 So, that matters.

00:32:08.500 Because the Insurrection Act was designed for moments like the Civil War.

00:32:12.180 When states are, and here you go again, here's your really thin line,

00:32:17.400 when states openly defy federal court orders during, they did it, during desegregation,

00:32:24.060 and moments when the law itself had failed.

00:32:27.520 What you're seeing now, is it the absence of law?

00:32:32.260 Is it conflict within the law?

00:32:35.860 A governor can oppose federal policy.

00:32:38.280 A state can sue the federal government.

00:32:40.000 People can protest, even loudly, even angrily, as long as it doesn't become a rebellion.

00:32:47.960 The Constitution doesn't require obedience to federal policy.

00:32:52.360 It requires obedience to federal law, and disagreement must be settled in court, not by force.

00:32:59.140 Now, here's the really dangerous part.

00:33:01.120 If we redefine insurrection to meet violent resistance by individuals,

00:33:06.460 combined with political opposition by state leaders,

00:33:09.380 then we're seeing a standard that will be used again by somebody else,

00:33:13.980 or for something else.

00:33:16.020 Because once the threshold becomes,

00:33:17.840 the president believes the state leadership is encouraging a resistance,

00:33:21.840 then federal troops can be sent in for gun rights, protests, environmental riots,

00:33:26.980 labor strikes, you know, campus unrest, election-related demonstrations,

00:33:31.160 all justified by the same argument, local leaders are not doing enough.

00:33:38.720 We are facing some of the toughest decisions that we will face in our American life as civilians.

00:33:48.300 We are going to have to make really tough, principled, constitutional decisions.

00:33:54.000 This is not a conservative principle.

00:33:58.920 It is not a limited government principle.

00:34:02.200 That is not an American first principle.

00:34:05.440 That executive power is unmoored from restraint. 0.89

00:34:11.600 Yes, the attackers are illegal immigrants.

00:34:14.220 Yes, they're committed to violent crimes.

00:34:16.000 Yes, ICE agents must be protected.

00:34:18.100 But criminal violence, even organized criminal violence,

00:34:21.840 has always been handled by law enforcement, not the military.

00:34:25.220 So if the answer to violent crime becomes federal troops in American cities,

00:34:28.780 then we have quietly accepted something the founders feared above all else.

00:34:33.700 A standing army enforcing domestic order at the discretion of a president.

00:34:38.620 And once that door opens, it doesn't close neatly.

00:34:42.320 The president, I think, is right about the danger.

00:34:45.060 And he may not be even right about the negligence.

00:34:47.000 He may be right about the politics, but the Constitution does not ask whether he is right.

00:34:53.340 It asks whether civil authority has collapsed.

00:34:58.120 And if we evoke the Insurrection Act before the collapse has occurred,

00:35:01.680 then the greatest casualty will not be order.

00:35:05.120 It will be precedent.

00:35:07.260 I want you to think about this.

00:35:08.780 Now, I have the answer from George AI, which is from all of the founding documents.

00:35:13.480 And I think you might be amazed at what they said,

00:35:19.460 what it predicted they may have done based on their writings in the 1700s and early 1800s.

00:35:26.560 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:35:30.980 We're four days away from the fundamental transformation on how I treat the whole Pam Bondi situation. 0.85

00:35:40.720 Four days away on the 20th of January, which is the one-year anniversary of the president coming in.

00:35:47.620 I said I'd give everybody a year.

00:35:49.040 I wanted to see some real serious prosecutions.

00:35:51.720 If it doesn't happen within the first year, I'm going to have some real serious questions.

00:35:55.300 And I've got real serious questions.

00:35:57.600 And we're four days away from some of those serious questions.

00:36:00.500 You don't want to miss that show.

00:36:02.800 Four days away.

00:36:04.220 All right.

00:36:07.020 Let me look.

00:36:07.940 Do you have any results from the poll yet?

00:36:10.500 We've asked the insiders to chime in.

00:36:14.460 Maybe Jason can run in here real quick and get us what the insiders are saying.

00:36:19.440 And we'll look at the poll at glenbeck.com.

00:36:21.800 We just ask it real quickly.

00:36:23.400 Um, but I laid out the two, uh, laid out the two sides insurrection act.

00:36:31.820 And I, you know, Jonathan Turley just wrote last night that he believes that the president does have the authority.

00:36:38.180 I believe the president has the authority, but I want to be really careful and not emotional about this.

00:36:43.100 I don't want to do it out of anger or anything else.

00:36:45.140 I want to make sure that we are very, very careful on all of these things.

00:36:49.120 But I think if you look at, I mean, the country is, it's under attack.

00:36:55.640 It is under attack.

00:36:56.420 This is a color revolution that is going on and is well documented.

00:36:59.480 And all of these people are involved in it.

00:37:02.620 And this is just their way of furthering a color revolution. 0.70

00:37:06.940 And part of that is to claim, is to create such chaos so you can claim, because you have control of the media and the educational system and everything else, that you can claim, see, this is a fascistic dictator there.

00:37:19.640 He's got to go.

00:37:20.440 That's the whole end of a color revolution.

00:37:23.900 Create enough chaos so the government must make moves that appear to be fascistic.

00:37:30.360 This is not a fascistic move.

00:37:32.220 This is a constitutional move to protect.

00:37:36.040 So tell me what the insiders are saying on this.

00:37:39.780 It's fairly, there's a good conversation going on right now at glenbeck.com.

00:37:44.900 They're going back and forth.

00:37:46.000 I want to highlight Rodney 3124.

00:37:48.340 He said, there isn't a perfect answer to if we should invoke the Insurrection Act.

00:37:52.540 He has absolutely justified the president in doing so with the obstruction of justice by public officials.

00:37:57.320 Unfortunately, he will likely have to do so in order to prevent open rebellion.

00:38:01.800 Yes.

00:38:02.240 If he doesn't, it's only going to, it'll go to New York, it'll go to California.

00:38:06.280 This is going to happen everywhere.

00:38:07.720 I just highlighted this comment in the Insider feed.

00:38:12.060 But there was one really, really good question from Gid.

00:38:15.920 Gid's kind of my boy.

00:38:17.060 He's always got good comments.

00:38:18.860 Gid said, how do I explain this situation to my friends and family?

00:38:24.100 Because a lot of times it just gets very emotional.

00:38:26.560 And if I'm trying to make this point, and then everyone ends up getting annoyed.

00:38:30.400 Number one.

00:38:30.900 Number one.

00:38:31.660 Listen to them.

00:38:32.820 Listen to them first.

00:38:34.120 When you can repeat their argument back, that's when you can start making your comment.

00:38:39.120 When you can say, tell me what you're feeling.

00:38:42.760 Tell me what is happening.

00:38:45.280 Listen to them.

00:38:46.000 Don't interrupt.

00:38:46.560 You can even take notes.

00:38:47.580 And then when they're done, you say, okay, I want to make sure.

00:38:51.020 This is what I heard from you.

00:38:53.260 Is this what you mean?

00:38:55.460 This is, is this accurate?

00:38:57.420 They're going to stop and go, yeah, well, there's some other things.

00:38:59.720 Good.

00:38:59.980 Tell me that right now.

00:39:01.320 So I have it.

00:39:02.280 Let me repeat everything I've heard.

00:39:04.120 Okay.

00:39:04.500 Now it's my turn to talk.

00:39:06.280 Let me answer some of those things.

00:39:07.960 Let me show you the evidence that you're wrong about this, this, or this.

00:39:12.180 Or perhaps you should look at it differently because of this, this, and this.

00:39:16.340 I listened to you.

00:39:17.860 I understood your argument.

00:39:19.360 I would ask that you, as my family or my friend, would give me the same opportunity.

00:39:25.200 Listen to what I say.

00:39:26.700 Take notes.

00:39:28.420 And then repeat back, unemotionally, everything you heard me say in a fair and balanced way.

00:39:34.720 Don't, don't, when you're repeating them back, don't put vitriol into it.

00:39:39.520 Express it the way they're expressing it.

00:39:42.780 Then demand that same respect.

00:39:44.900 If you don't get that same respect back, you're not going to make a difference.

00:39:49.140 But if, and you should just stop.

00:39:51.820 But if you can get with people who will give you the same respect back, that means you have

00:39:57.140 a citizen that wants to fix the problem and understand, we are not going to fix this.

00:40:02.660 Look, you know, I just did the both sides monologue, you know, made the case for and

00:40:08.240 against.

00:40:08.780 And I chose that.

00:40:09.880 That's not going to make me more popular in a, in a world gone mad.

00:40:13.700 Everybody wants me to pick a side and I have a side and I'll tell you what my side is.

00:40:17.920 I already have told you, but I am trying to make the argument for the other side as well.

00:40:23.480 So you at least hear both sides.

00:40:25.780 You've got to hear both sides.

00:40:29.900 And especially unconstitutional, unconstitutional matters.

00:40:34.240 These are this and the trade.

00:40:35.980 I'm going to get into trade later.

00:40:37.480 These two things are massive right now.

00:40:40.680 They could mean the end of the Republic.

00:40:42.860 I want to get to Gail because Gail's perspective on this is exactly what I've seen from a lot of

00:40:47.780 people, including people like Joe Rogan.

00:40:49.420 But listen to this.

00:40:50.320 Gail says there has to be a way to get the Minnesota authorities to heal and support federal

00:40:54.120 law without using the insurrection act.

00:40:56.500 Using it will just fuel the Hitler narrative about Trump.

00:40:59.500 And I have conservative friends who are buying into that narrative.

00:41:02.100 I do too.

00:41:03.420 And that's why he has to be extraordinarily careful.

00:41:07.400 But he is, I believe he is justified because what are you going to do to get Tim Walls?

00:41:13.200 Again, I go back to the color revolution.

00:41:15.320 You have people that are trying to pull off a color revolution.

00:41:19.320 I don't know if Tim Walls is part of that or not.

00:41:21.380 I do know Tim Walls is involved in massive corruption.

00:41:24.840 So that gives him a reason to discredit and thwart and cause all kinds of chaos.

00:41:31.300 So those feds never come walking into his house and knocking on his door.

00:41:36.840 That's the motivation here for the left on that.

00:41:41.520 Color revolution and also corruption with Tim Walls on his side.

00:41:47.980 So we asked George AI.

00:41:49.740 And George AI is the collection.

00:41:52.900 I don't know how many documents we have in there, but tens if not hundreds of thousands

00:41:57.080 of documents in there now.

00:41:58.180 And it's getting bigger every day of all founding documents.

00:42:02.860 It's the Federalist Papers.

00:42:04.700 It's all of their letters back and forth.

00:42:06.680 We are growing this thing exponentially every day.

00:42:11.120 And it does not know anything about the present day situation.

00:42:14.180 Okay.

00:42:15.020 If we have to come up with hypothetical situations and we don't want to put anything in and it's

00:42:19.780 all roped off.

00:42:20.680 It has to memorize all of their words.

00:42:23.940 So it's, it can't hallucinate and it cannot pull from outside of their documents.

00:42:29.520 So it's not like chat GPT that can give an opinion or pull from something else.

00:42:34.000 It is only based on their writings.

00:42:36.920 Okay.

00:42:38.460 So we asked George AI, and this is going to be the George AI that's released later on

00:42:42.620 glenbeck.com.

00:42:43.640 So we asked George AI, what do you make of a situation like this?

00:42:49.140 And we explained the situation as best we could without picking sides, without using

00:42:53.540 names.

00:42:54.260 What should the federal government, what would the founders have done?

00:42:58.780 Let me just give you this.

00:43:00.020 The ink on the constitution wasn't even dry.

00:43:02.360 The new Republic was fragile, barely tested, and already it was catching fire.

00:43:06.140 Western Massachusetts was boiling, boiling, boiling over.

00:43:08.860 Daniel Shays and a mob of dissatisfied veterans and farmers are closing in on courthouses, armed

00:43:15.340 and angry.

00:43:16.640 The state government is outmatched.

00:43:18.380 What do they do?

00:43:19.600 The Shays' rebellion was, I mean, you want to talk about having the sympathy of people?

00:43:24.900 These were soldiers who fought in the revolution and were not being paid.

00:43:29.680 And they were going broke, and they were struggling, and they were going to lose everything, and

00:43:33.780 they needed their pay from the government.

00:43:35.940 They fought in the revolution.

00:43:37.440 We're veterans.

00:43:38.280 Where's the money you promised us?

00:43:40.700 So you want to talk about sympathy being on their side?

00:43:43.260 Sympathy was on their side.

00:43:44.520 But they were going, and they were obstructing the courts.

00:43:47.400 They were causing all kinds of problems, and some of it was violent.

00:43:52.460 So what did we do?

00:43:53.940 The founders sent in the militia, not cheering, not stomping.

00:44:00.040 It was just a desperate, a desperate move to avoid collapse.

00:44:05.160 And it was very controversial at the time because people said, look, they're just becoming King

00:44:11.100 George.

00:44:11.540 They're just sending in everybody else.

00:44:13.380 Okay.

00:44:13.600 The laws of Massachusetts were being ignored.

00:44:17.280 The judiciary was being threatened, and the entire government of the people by the people

00:44:21.520 was, you know, was under threat.

00:44:24.640 So they sent the troops in.

00:44:35.200 Let me repaint the scene, but this time, instead of going back, let me paint the scene now.

00:44:39.380 Federal laws get passed, but a bunch of state governments raise their hands and say, no,

00:44:43.460 not here, not in our town, not in our state, not in our courts.

00:44:47.220 Then they go further.

00:44:48.580 They tell their police departments not to cooperate.

00:44:50.860 The governors speak publicly, even approvingly, of people mobilizing in the streets, dismissing

00:44:56.200 the violence, saying it's a mostly peaceful protest.

00:44:58.860 And it's not just a protest.

00:45:00.720 It's to actively block and confront federal officers, and it turns violent.

00:45:05.300 All of that is true.

00:45:06.480 So we asked George, what would the founders do?

00:45:09.760 And here was the response.

00:45:12.640 George Washington, or Madison, or Hamilton, or even Jefferson, see the Insurrection Act,

00:45:19.040 would they see it as the right tool in a mess like this?

00:45:23.300 Not would they support authoritarianism, because that's lazy thinking.

00:45:27.600 Would they see this kind of national fracture as justifying federal boots on the ground?

00:45:32.880 Let's use Washington, because he was the one who hated, he and Jefferson hated it the most.

00:45:40.140 Not trigger happy, but he was also not naive.

00:45:43.640 So he becomes president in his first term, and the whiskey rebellion is there.

00:45:49.380 Again, it's all about taxation.

00:45:52.880 And we're starting to tax whiskey.

00:45:55.380 And the whiskey people are like, what are you doing taxing?

00:45:57.660 You've just become the king again.

00:45:59.340 And so there's this rebellion.

00:46:01.620 What did he do?

00:46:03.240 He not only sent in the troops, he led the troops in to put that rebellion down.

00:46:11.160 He actually wrote in himself as the head of the militia.

00:46:15.760 And he wasn't doing it to intimidate the population.

00:46:17.960 He was not doing it because he loved federal power.

00:46:22.580 He hated this act.

00:46:24.040 He went back and forth.

00:46:25.140 What do I do?

00:46:25.640 What do I do?

00:46:26.160 What do I do?

00:46:26.820 But he saw, he knew what happens when the center loses authority.

00:46:31.860 If the center starts to crumble and fall apart, the republic would be over.

00:46:38.000 So they hated tyranny.

00:46:40.160 But they hated disunion just as much, if not more.

00:46:44.340 Therefore, their biggest fear was not a king.

00:46:47.720 Listen to this.

00:46:48.940 Their biggest fear was not a king.

00:46:52.480 It was lawlessness dressed up as liberty.

00:46:58.420 And that's exactly what we're getting today.

00:47:02.380 Now, he would not be sending them in quickly.

00:47:06.400 He would not be doing it lightly.

00:47:08.540 He would not be beating his chest.

00:47:10.760 He would not be doing it for vengeance.

00:47:12.420 Our founders wouldn't have done any of that.

00:47:15.280 He would have done it to restore the system of government that we have all voted on.

00:47:22.400 This is the way it works.

00:47:24.020 These are criminals that they are rounding up. 0.96

00:47:28.280 They're criminals.

00:47:30.220 And we haven't even gotten just to the people who are here because they wanted a better life. 0.97

00:47:34.720 We're still at the really nasty criminals.

00:47:37.500 The three that just beat that ICE officer within an inch of his life just two days ago, they were part of a nasty, nasty gang. 0.87

00:47:47.840 All three of them from Venezuela. 1.00

00:47:49.600 They're criminals.

00:47:50.620 How are you making this about, you know, little Jose, who just wants to go to school and wants some, you know, some Cheerios in the morning because he couldn't get anything back home in Guatemala?

00:48:04.760 That's not what this is about.

00:48:06.860 We're not even there yet.

00:48:08.340 This is not, I don't think, this is resistance.

00:48:20.280 This is rebellion.

00:48:21.140 And I will tell you, I do not, I was not for the use of insurrection in an easy, lazy way.

00:48:33.960 January 6th, the media and the left immediately came out and called January 6th an insurrection.

00:48:44.760 And I told you they were doing it for a reason.

00:48:47.160 It was the most dangerous thing since the Civil War, that insurrection of January 6th.

00:48:51.940 It lasted one day and it came under control.

00:48:57.120 Okay.

00:48:57.500 President spoke out.

00:48:59.020 It came under control.

00:49:01.700 Lasted a day.

00:49:03.560 This is lasting weeks.

00:49:06.060 This is only getting worse.

00:49:08.260 They define insurrection on January 6th.

00:49:12.540 I don't think that was insurrection, but okay, they defined it.

00:49:18.000 This is much more of insurrection than that ever was, but I don't want to become like them.

00:49:24.860 I won't look at their standard.

00:49:27.340 I'll look at the constitutional standard.

00:49:29.320 And I believe the president is justified to calmly, rationally make the case in a very serious way.

00:49:38.880 Hold a conference in the Oval Office.

00:49:41.840 Don't call anybody names.

00:49:44.000 Just state the facts as the Constitution lays it out.

00:49:47.680 Show exactly, have somebody of credibility to make sure you're there making the case.

00:49:57.600 Have them step up.

00:49:59.040 Make the federal constitutional case in a reasoned way and put down this insurrection.

00:50:08.920 You have poll results from the audience?

00:50:10.820 So we asked insiders only about 20 minutes ago, should President Trump invoke the Insurrection Act in Minnesota?

00:50:18.500 We already have a ton of results.

00:50:20.880 62% say that he should.

00:50:24.060 38% believe that he should not.

00:50:26.340 And you can find that poll now at glenbeck.com.

00:50:28.520 And take that poll.

00:50:29.180 I'd like to see it.

00:50:30.040 I will bet you the 38%, because this is our audience, I'll bet you the 38% are saying, 0.99

00:50:34.680 I really would like him to, but I'm afraid the way they'll react will cause civil war.

00:50:41.320 They're always in a win-win situation.

00:50:43.720 You're listening to the best of Glenn Beck.

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00:50:46.820 Check out the full show podcast anywhere you download podcasts.

00:50:50.700 One of my favorite guests we ever have on is Brad Meltzer.

00:50:55.480 And usually we schedule an hour, but there's so much going on in the world

00:50:58.240 that I can only get a few minutes with him today.

00:51:01.180 But he's got a new book out in the Escape Artist series.

00:51:05.620 It's book number three, but you don't have to read one and two.

00:51:08.720 You can get right to it.

00:51:10.820 Can you give us a synopsis of the Viper here without giving away the whole plot?

00:51:18.600 Of course, my friend.

00:51:19.520 A man walks into a funeral home carrying his favorite blue suit because he's got a terminal

00:51:25.960 disease and this is the suit that he wants to be buried in.

00:51:28.820 But here's the thing, Glenn.

00:51:30.020 You know, if you open up in your local bank a safety deposit box, then paperwork gets filed.

00:51:36.860 The government can track it.

00:51:38.180 Same thing if you go to the UPS store and open up a PO box.

00:51:40.900 But if you secretly sew something into the lining of your suit and you hand that suit

00:51:47.400 over to your local mortician, you have an ultimate untraceable hiding spot.

00:51:52.640 So the man leaves the suit in the funeral home, goes back to his hotel where there's a man

00:51:58.580 with a gun waiting for him, says, where is it?

00:52:01.500 Our guy says, I don't know what you're talking about.

00:52:03.280 The man with the gun shoots him dead.

00:52:05.140 That suit's still in the funeral home.

00:52:07.040 You won't believe what's hidden inside it or who's about to find it.

00:52:11.100 And that is chapter one of the Viper.

00:52:12.960 It's so good.

00:52:14.000 It's so good.

00:52:14.800 I just, I love the way you think and I love the way you put real stuff in.

00:52:20.140 So this idea of hiding it in the suit, that's all real, right?

00:52:26.180 I mean, it could be done.

00:52:27.600 I mean, you're making it up, but it could be done.

00:52:29.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:30.140 I went to a funeral home and saw it.

00:52:32.640 Wait, wait, what?

00:52:34.740 I went to a funeral home and I'm going through the funeral home researching and I see this

00:52:39.880 door and it's got a big padlock on it.

00:52:42.620 I say to the funeral director, what's in there?

00:52:44.500 Does he show me around?

00:52:45.620 And he says, oh, you're going to love this.

00:52:47.020 He opens up the door and there's all these old suits and like, you know, like what your

00:52:51.800 grandmother would wear to a wedding, like a sequined gown. 0.99

00:52:54.360 And he says, if you're, if you're old and you don't have a lot of family, you pick out

00:52:58.020 what you're going to wear to your funeral.

00:52:59.840 But it's also got like a Jets jersey in there.

00:53:02.060 There's a cowboy hat that someone says, my ex-wife hated this hat.

00:53:05.340 Make sure I'm wearing it in my coffin.

00:53:06.940 Like people are wild.

00:53:08.260 Oh my gosh.

00:53:08.840 And I said, that's the best hiding spot I've ever seen.

00:53:11.520 Okay.

00:53:11.780 So this, this whole book is about hiding and disappearing, but, um, and I want to get into

00:53:15.900 some of the, uh, disappearance, uh, part of this, but, um, can we go back?

00:53:20.760 We had a conversation maybe two years ago.

00:53:23.880 Ricky, would you book him for a long-term podcast?

00:53:27.400 Um, we had a conversation about the mortuary at Dover Air Force Base, the best mortuary in

00:53:34.900 the, in the world, um, because of what they do to take care of our soldiers, et cetera,

00:53:39.300 et cetera.

00:53:39.860 But you did not tell me something that played a role in this book.

00:53:43.640 And you actually thinking this way is on nine 11, somebody hid a secret.

00:53:49.740 They were on the plane on nine 11 and they hid a secret and the secret was found.

00:53:56.660 We don't know what it was, but you've confirmed it.

00:53:59.360 Can you, this is an amazing story.

00:54:00.740 Listen to this.

00:54:01.280 This is one of the most incredible stories I've ever been a part of.

00:54:06.680 Um, when I was researching my book, I went to the morticians and I said, have you ever

00:54:10.940 seen like a, could someone hide a secret message on their body, maybe in a tattoo?

00:54:16.080 And they said to me, if you're on an airplane and the plane is about to go down and you write

00:54:23.560 a quick note and then you eat that note that the liquids in your stomach will actually

00:54:29.280 preserve the note upon the crash.

00:54:32.420 And I said, Oh, that's a really good idea.

00:54:34.740 And they said to me, that's not an idea.

00:54:36.700 It really happened on nine 11.

00:54:39.700 One of the morticians who I was talking to was one of the people, you know, all the

00:54:43.480 Dovers where not just our fallen soldiers go, but where the nine 11 victims went and they

00:54:48.860 were working on one of the bodies there and they found the note that someone ate on nine

00:54:53.860 11.

00:54:54.340 They would not tell me what was in it, but I would, that's what I used in the book.

00:54:59.280 And it was one of the most chilling, incredible stories from the firsthand person who did it

00:55:05.000 and found it.

00:55:06.440 So it, we don't know what it said.

00:55:09.200 But I would imagine, I mean, you'd have to be military or a spook or I don't know, a mortician 0.97

00:55:15.280 that would know, eat the note and it'd be protected.

00:55:18.420 Don't you think?

00:55:18.980 I mean, of course, of course, this is someone who's smart, right?

00:55:22.300 This is someone who knows what they're doing.

00:55:24.020 And the thing that was amazing is on that day, he gave me other, they gave me other

00:55:27.920 details as well that said, you know, at one point they were working on someone and the

00:55:32.000 FBI came racing in and was crowded around them.

00:55:35.440 And they were going, why are they, why do they want this person that I'm working on at

00:55:40.100 this point?

00:55:40.500 This is a different body.

00:55:41.980 And they realized quickly that the body they were working on was actually one of the pilots

00:55:47.400 of the plane.

00:55:48.260 It was one of the terrorists.

00:55:50.000 Because what came in were pieces of people, you know, things, and they were trying to put

00:55:54.040 truly things back together to piece together what was happening.

00:55:57.100 And I was blown away.

00:55:58.600 Like, as you said, someone who has the wherewithal to do that on a plane and know to do that,

00:56:03.880 we forget that, yes, fallen soldiers go to Dover.

00:56:06.600 But when the space shuttle exploded, those bodies went to Dover too.

00:56:11.760 And even in Venezuela right now, all the CIA people that helped us with this operation,

00:56:16.160 all our CIA people around the world, if something goes sideways, their bodies go to Dover as

00:56:21.400 well.

00:56:22.280 And Dover is where truly it's America's most secretive funeral home.

00:56:27.020 And that's where I set the viper in all my books.

00:56:28.940 Because, you know, the morticians there will spend 12 hours rewiring someone's jaw,

00:56:34.300 smoothing it over with clay, because the family wants to see their fallen soldier's son one

00:56:39.460 last time, rebuilding someone's hand, because someone says, I want to hold my son's hand

00:56:44.540 one last time.

00:56:45.140 These are the best of the best of us working on the best of the best of us, and obviously

00:56:49.100 became the best setting for a book for me, just to honor these people and show the dignity

00:56:53.100 and respect they show our fallen troops.

00:56:55.100 So you do, I mean, obviously, we just went to say, you do amazing research on all of your

00:56:59.740 books, and this one centers around, I mean, it's the Escape Artist series, and this one

00:57:05.860 centers around kind of the, you know, just disappearing.

00:57:09.820 Is it possible to disappear in today's world?

00:57:14.160 Well, Glenn, you know, I've taken my readers into the secret tunnels below the White House,

00:57:18.500 into the labyrinth below the Capitol.

00:57:20.200 For the viper, I wanted to do witness protection, to see, can you disappear?

00:57:24.240 And I was obsessed with it.

00:57:27.260 It's one of the hardest things I've ever had to research, for obvious reasons.

00:57:29.940 They're not going to tell you, you know, how witness protection works.

00:57:32.800 And when you think of witness protection, what do you think of?

00:57:36.060 You think of the mob.

00:57:36.960 You think of Tony Soprano or the other Goodfellas, and, you know, a mobster testifies against another

00:57:42.080 mobster, and you try and put them away.

00:57:43.820 And that's why witness protection was built.

00:57:46.000 It was built to take down the mob.

00:57:47.840 And it worked.

00:57:49.080 It actually worked.

00:57:50.560 But it's not like crime went away.

00:57:52.180 So what happened was, is witness protection, instead of having mobsters in it, suddenly

00:57:57.720 started having gang members in it, because gangs started thriving when the mob disappeared.

00:58:02.580 And then 9-11 hit, and guess what happened?

00:58:05.580 We started chasing terrorists.

00:58:06.860 So terrorists became the biggest group in witness protection.

00:58:09.220 You want to know one of the number one groups in witness protection right now is actually

00:58:14.780 accountants, because data is king right now.

00:58:17.940 And the thing that I love, just to directly answer your question, is figuring out how

00:58:23.400 you hide.

00:58:24.040 And witness protection, the Marshal Service, we have nothing but respect for.

00:58:27.680 And it's funny.

00:58:28.500 I'll tell you this one thing.

00:58:29.320 The other day at a book signing, a U.S. Marshal came up to me and said, I work for the Marshal

00:58:33.620 Service.

00:58:33.920 I love your book, The Viper.

00:58:35.420 And I want to tell you where the secret safe house is.

00:58:37.360 And I said, what are you telling me for?

00:58:38.880 I could have used that two years ago.

00:58:40.160 I already wrote the book.

00:58:41.080 But the best part was, is I wanted to know how you do disappear.

00:58:46.680 And they said to me, and this is true, that no one, the Marshal Service has never lost anyone

00:58:53.060 in witness protection as long as they followed all of our rules.

00:58:57.560 That's the caveat.

00:58:58.680 And here's the thing, is it used to be if someone moved to your neighborhood, you could

00:59:04.520 look at them and say, I want to meet them or I don't want to meet them.

00:59:06.940 And that was as far as you got.

00:59:08.100 And then if they moved in and they were in witness protection, you didn't know.

00:59:11.960 But now if someone moves to your neighborhood, what do we do?

00:59:15.420 We immediately go on Zillow and we Google how much they paid for their house.

00:59:19.020 We check their Facebook page.

00:59:20.680 If they don't have a Facebook page, well, now that's even more suspicious.

00:59:23.740 So now we've got to check even more.

00:59:25.600 We look up to see whether they have a criminal record.

00:59:27.920 We see if they're on a pedophile list.

00:59:29.980 And witness protection itself has had to adapt to that.

00:59:33.320 You can't just make a fake driver's license and call it a day.

00:59:36.140 You have to build entire things.

00:59:38.500 And the hardest part of disappearing is this.

00:59:42.180 And this is the secret is that when you when you disappear and they and they try to make

00:59:48.160 you have your new identity, their big rule is you can't contact anyone.

00:59:52.280 So you have to leave your family behind.

00:59:54.520 Sometimes you leave your sister behind, your brother behind.

00:59:57.320 One of the biggest things you leave behind for the most part is your dog.

01:00:01.680 A lot of people know your dog.

01:00:03.880 And that's one of the ones that people, you know, it's hard to leave your dog.

01:00:08.020 You may want it may leave your mother in law. 0.85

01:00:09.820 OK, but it's hard to leave your dog.

01:00:12.060 So and the thing is, is that after six months, you say, I want to just see how he or she is.

01:00:16.960 And that's what messes people up.

01:00:18.580 That's why it's so hard to disappear.

01:00:20.180 So but can the average person do it?

01:00:22.600 I think, you know, the government can do it because they can get in and do all of this stuff.

01:00:26.440 But how do you get around facial recognition and can the average person, if you were going

01:00:31.600 to make me disappear and it wasn't the the federal government that was behind it, could

01:00:36.920 it happen?

01:00:38.780 The way it happens is you have to say goodbye to technology.

01:00:42.080 That's the number one way, as you said, and facial recognition, there are ways to beat

01:00:46.080 it.

01:00:46.300 It's getting harder and harder because obviously it's now not just your face anymore.

01:00:50.160 It's your eyes.

01:00:50.980 And, you know, I know how to be you can beat handprints.

01:00:53.180 We can do that.

01:00:54.380 But as it gets more and more high tech.

01:00:56.980 But again, you have to leave all that technology behind.

01:01:00.160 And everyone says, well, I can leave technology behind.

01:01:02.720 But the hardest thing to leave behind is your life.

01:01:05.140 What they said to me is that there is a call of home.

01:01:08.780 There is a call from your past.

01:01:11.060 And when you want to check up on that family member, when you want to check up on your old

01:01:14.980 dog, when you want to check up on someone you love that you miss, you go, people say,

01:01:19.260 you know what, I'm just going to make one phone call and I won't make another one.

01:01:23.920 It's over.

01:01:24.160 And that's where the mistakes come.

01:01:25.440 That's the thing that messes everyone up.

01:01:27.140 But it's possible.

01:01:27.980 You can do it.

01:01:29.180 Wow.

01:01:30.360 One thing I have to congratulate you on.

01:01:34.160 You are going to be, and this is a dream come true for you.

01:01:38.240 You're going to be writing a Superman, Spider-Man comic book with Marvel.

01:01:43.280 How cool is that?

01:01:45.640 I mean, the first time, was it the first time that we met, we started saving the Superman

01:01:50.620 house in Ohio?

01:01:52.360 We did.

01:01:52.960 I'm in Cleveland.

01:01:54.600 This is what I love about you.

01:01:56.000 I'm in Cleveland, Ohio right now where we save the house.

01:01:59.300 Oh, my God.

01:01:59.700 You helped me raise money to save that house.

01:02:01.400 My final event in the book tour right now, it ends in Cleveland, the birthplace of Superman.

01:02:06.340 And I've been keeping this secret for six months, Glenn.

01:02:09.260 But everyone knows that DC is Superman and Batman and Marvel is Spider-Man and Iron Man

01:02:14.900 and the other ones we see in the movies.

01:02:17.060 And every 10 to 25 years, they have a crossover.

01:02:21.420 It's only happened like, I think, three times.

01:02:23.720 The first one was from this year is 50 years ago.

01:02:27.180 This is the year that celebrates the 50-year anniversary of their first meeting of Spider-Man

01:02:30.920 and Superman.

01:02:31.840 And I got a call from six months ago from Marvel Comics.

01:02:35.320 And they said, we're going to celebrate the 50th anniversary.

01:02:38.460 Superman and Spider-Man are going to team up in one book.

01:02:41.340 And Brad Meltzer, do you want to write it?

01:02:43.780 Jeez.

01:02:44.320 And that sound you heard was me fainting right there in the moment.

01:02:48.920 But it's a dream come true because, you know, our love of Superman comes from the same exact

01:02:54.920 thing.

01:02:55.300 And it's that the most important part of the story is not Superman.

01:02:59.820 The most important part of the story is Clark Kent.

01:03:03.020 And why?

01:03:03.560 Because we're all Clark Kent.

01:03:04.940 And we all know what it's like to be boring and ordinary and wish we did something beyond

01:03:08.800 ourselves.

01:03:09.240 It's the same reason why I love those soldiers who go and wind up at Dover Air Force Base

01:03:15.060 or the morticians who work on them.

01:03:16.520 It's these regular, ordinary people who are making such a difference for those who give their

01:03:21.920 life for this country.

01:03:22.700 It's not the superhero part, it's the Clark Kent part.

01:03:26.140 And to be able to be a part of that is one of the greatest gifts I've ever been given.

01:03:30.040 When does it come out?

01:03:31.800 It comes out on tax day, April 15th, it'll be out.

01:03:35.560 And, you know, what I take away from all this, Glenn, I'll say this, is a few years ago,

01:03:41.920 I was in an airport restroom, not the most glamorous place, right?

01:03:46.240 And I'm washing my hands.

01:03:48.140 And next to me is another guy who's washing his hands.

01:03:50.460 He's about five seconds ahead of me in the process.

01:03:53.060 And he walks out of the restroom and I'm about five steps behind him.

01:03:57.000 And he looks over at the janitor and he says, thanks for keeping it clean.

01:04:01.920 And it just strikes me that moment of kindness, that Clark Kent moment of kindness.

01:04:06.720 And I start saying now, every time I go into any restroom in a fancy restaurant or in an airport bathroom, thank you for keeping it clean.

01:04:15.320 I mean, I'd never looked twice at the janitor, much less spoken to him.

01:04:18.160 But what I love about that story, Glenn, is that that guy who set it all in motion, I have no idea who he is.

01:04:27.080 He has no idea who I am or that I've been doing it.

01:04:29.240 But for 20 years now, I've been saying thank you for keeping it clean because of this one kind person.

01:04:35.740 But I love even more is my son started saying it because and not because I asked him.

01:04:40.380 He's just heard me do it.

01:04:41.400 And now he does it.

01:04:42.400 And I love the fact that you and I can have this moment about Superman or you can have this story about these soldiers, you know, that that we hear about.

01:04:52.860 And it's like life is like a boomerang.

01:04:55.080 Sometimes you throw it out there and then boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

01:04:58.520 It comes back to you.

01:04:59.820 And so, you know, I love the fact that that's how the world works and that this thing that you and I work to build and save and the Superman house.

01:05:07.400 That's so cool.

01:05:07.940 All these years later, I now get to write it.

01:05:10.120 I mean, I think you have the best life of anybody I know.

01:05:12.680 I really do.

01:05:13.480 You have just the greatest.

01:05:14.620 You have the greatest job of all time.

01:05:16.980 The name of the book is The Viper.

01:05:18.760 It came out last week.

01:05:19.720 You can get it wherever books are sold.

01:05:21.500 Anything that Brad Meltzer writes is so good because he's such a good storyteller.

01:05:27.520 But then on top of it, he adds all of this historic fact in it.

01:05:30.560 It's just fabulous.

01:05:32.260 The name of it is The Viper.

01:05:34.380 Get it.

01:05:35.040 Read it now.

01:05:35.900 Brad, we'll talk to you again.

01:05:36.880 Thanks.

01:05:38.100 Thank you, my friend.

The Glenn Beck Program - January 16, 2026

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