The Glenn Beck Program - February 19, 2026


Best of the Program | Guests: Buck Sexton & Brendan Carr | 2⧸19⧸26


Episode Stats

Length

56 minutes

Words per Minute

166.8265

Word Count

9,509

Sentence Count

725

Misogynist Sentences

11

Hate Speech Sentences

12


Summary

On today's show, Glenn Beck is joined by John Cornyn, Buck Sexton, and Brendan Carr of the FCC. They discuss the current state of the economy, the future of Bitcoin and much, much more!


Transcript

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00:00:11.000 I would say land is a safe investment.
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00:00:30.000 Today's podcast, I mean, I start with...
00:00:32.000 I mean, I think it's a universal truth now.
00:00:35.000 Republicans are worthless.
00:00:37.000 They're a giant piece of crap.
00:00:38.000 They can't get anything done.
00:00:40.000 And I start with John Cornyn and lay it out.
00:00:44.000 I think it's a pretty solid case that I think you'll agree with.
00:00:47.000 Also, Buck Sexton joins me about his new book.
00:00:50.000 He has studied propaganda and how it works.
00:00:55.000 And when you see the parallels from China and Russia to today, it's a little terrifying.
00:01:01.000 He also talks a little bit about how you can recognize it, spot it, and cure it.
00:01:06.000 Also, Stephen Shaw is on about the population collapse.
00:01:11.000 Nowhere in the world are people having babies anymore.
00:01:14.000 And we talk about what's happening, what it means to our kids, and what's causing it.
00:01:22.000 And finally, Brendan Carr joins me.
00:01:24.000 He is the chairman of the FCC.
00:01:26.000 It's funny because everybody is angry on all sides about what's going on.
00:01:32.000 But when you hear what actually happened with Stephen Colbert, did you know that the FCC wasn't involved in that at all?
00:01:39.000 We talked to him about that, what he's actually trying to do, what the law is actually saying.
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00:04:00.000 I'm just looking at the latest polls here on voting.
00:04:04.000 And it is, it is absolutely insane.
00:04:09.000 It is insane.
00:04:10.000 Um, let's see, nearly six in 10 Americans, 59% disagree with president Trump that Republicans should take over the voting in 15 states in order to nationalize the 2026 midterm elections.
00:04:26.000 19% say they would favor the idea.
00:04:28.000 I'm, I'm with the six in 10.
00:04:30.000 I don't think we should do that.
00:04:32.000 I don't want to nationalize it.
00:04:33.000 That's only going to lead to trouble.
00:04:34.000 And that is not, uh, what the, uh, constitution says.
00:04:38.000 It's gotta be run by the state.
00:04:40.000 The federal government needs to oversee it.
00:04:42.000 That's also in the constitution, but I don't like nationalizing elections.
00:04:46.000 Um, asked who is more likely to rig November's midterm elections.
00:04:51.000 How do you think that goes?
00:04:58.000 44% say the Republicans, 33% say the Democrats, 11 point margin.
00:05:09.000 Wait, it gets worse.
00:05:11.000 Far more Americans disagree.
00:05:13.000 50% then agree.
00:05:15.000 34% with the statement.
00:05:17.000 Democrats bring undocumented immigrants to our country to vote and help them vote illegally.
00:05:24.000 Republicans agree.
00:05:25.000 73% rather than disagree.
00:05:28.000 11%.
00:05:29.000 Americans are more divided over the question, whether fraudulent voting by undocumented immigrants is rare and it does not influence the outcome of elections.
00:05:38.000 42% agree.
00:05:44.000 36% say it is common and it does influence the outcome of elections.
00:05:48.000 And then they split right down the middle when asked the same question about fraudulent voting mail in voting.
00:05:55.000 Okay.
00:05:56.000 40% to 40%.
00:05:58.000 Far more Americans say they would favor 62% then oppose 23% requiring proof of citizenship.
00:06:05.000 The number is 62.
00:06:06.000 Now, usually in the form of a passport or a birth certificate in order to register to vote.
00:06:12.000 Nearly all Republicans, 89% favor the idea.
00:06:15.000 Democrats are divided.
00:06:17.000 39% now in favor, 45% opposed.
00:06:21.000 That can, that is completely different than what we have been seeing.
00:06:25.000 Making it harder to vote by mail, 46% opposed, 38% favor.
00:06:31.000 Making it harder to vote early in person, 57% opposed, 21% favor.
00:06:36.000 Banning or cutting back on mail in ballot drop boxes, 42% opposed.
00:06:40.000 Shortening the early or absentee voting period, 41% opposed.
00:06:45.000 I don't believe this.
00:06:46.000 I just don't believe this.
00:06:48.000 Uh, I, I find this really hard to believe, but if those numbers are true, I mean, you're going to see, you're going to see, this is what they're going to, this is what they're going to go after.
00:07:06.000 If they try to, you know, drag this, you know, uh, vote out, this is what they're going to go after.
00:07:15.000 They're going to go after, you know, the Republicans are rigging it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:07:19.000 So far, that's not working.
00:07:21.000 If this is true, maybe it is working, but I, I don't, this just doesn't feel right to me because it's too much of a swing, but God only knows America changes on a dime.
00:07:33.000 Now, John Cornyn is warning that there is going to be a GOP massacre.
00:07:41.000 John Cornyn of all people, a GOP massacre.
00:07:45.000 If Texas votes for Ken Paxton as the AG, he wins the primary.
00:07:50.000 He says it's going to be a massacre.
00:07:52.000 Okay.
00:07:53.000 I'm not listening to you, John Cornyn.
00:07:54.000 I'm not listening to you.
00:07:56.000 You, you are the reason the GOP is going to be massacred all over the country.
00:08:03.000 Not Ken Paxton.
00:08:05.000 Now that's a separate issue.
00:08:07.000 Maybe, maybe not, but I'm not listening to John Cornyn.
00:08:11.000 Tell me anything about what the Republicans can do because it's people like John Cornyn.
00:08:18.000 That has, that has gotten the Republican party where it is.
00:08:22.000 Remember Donald Trump is not a Republican.
00:08:25.000 He's not a Republican.
00:08:27.000 He's, he is a guy who's turning the tables over.
00:08:30.000 He's not going with Republican policies.
00:08:33.000 He's, he's spent the last 10 years trying to get enough momentum so he can actually change.
00:08:41.000 Republican policies are let's go to war.
00:08:44.000 Let's spend even more money.
00:08:46.000 I mean, it's all progressive.
00:08:49.000 It's all progressive.
00:08:50.000 And John Cornyn is one of the main leaders of that.
00:08:54.000 So please give it a rest.
00:08:57.000 You know, Republicans this time around, if they don't stand for the things that they've told us they were going to do.
00:09:05.000 And I'm telling you, the save act is one of them.
00:09:08.000 It's critical.
00:09:09.000 Look at what you've already done.
00:09:11.000 Look at how you've handled the Epstein thing.
00:09:14.000 You, you think that helped you?
00:09:17.000 You're, you're not only risking the midterms, you're risking the, uh, the party.
00:09:26.000 If you keep pretending that procedure is principle, you're, you're going to help lose the Republic.
00:09:32.000 And this time, if you fail this time, you're not going to be just blamed by the left.
00:09:37.000 You're going to be blamed by your own voters.
00:09:41.000 It's going to happen, John, your own voters.
00:09:44.000 They've had enough.
00:09:45.000 You will be blamed by your own voters and you'll deserve it.
00:09:49.000 Look at, look at the difference between John Cornyn.
00:09:52.000 How long has he been in office and what has he accomplished?
00:09:55.000 Look at the difference.
00:09:56.000 President Trump comes into office.
00:09:58.000 He moved like a man who understood the clock was ticking executive orders.
00:10:05.000 Why?
00:10:06.000 Because he couldn't get Congress to move regulatory rollbacks.
00:10:09.000 He moved faster than any other president in U S history.
00:10:12.000 He has a clear vision.
00:10:14.000 He is literally reshaping the entire world, trying to get rid of the people who are trying
00:10:20.000 to force the U S taxpayer and citizen to live under their unelected officials and rules.
00:10:27.000 He's changing all that.
00:10:30.000 He's done all the heavy lifting.
00:10:32.000 He's taken all of the arrows.
00:10:33.000 He's forced the fight.
00:10:35.000 And what is it?
00:10:36.000 John Cornyn, you and the Republicans have done.
00:10:39.000 You passed one big, beautiful bill that he practically had to jam down your throats.
00:10:46.000 And you want to run on that.
00:10:48.000 That's, that's not leadership.
00:10:51.000 That's hiding behind a man doing your job for you.
00:10:55.000 So let me, let me talk about the excuse of the hour.
00:10:59.000 If I read one more time from a conservative, you can't touch the filibuster.
00:11:04.000 Demanding a talking filibuster is dangerous.
00:11:07.000 You're changing the rules.
00:11:08.000 I'm going to lose my mind.
00:11:10.000 Do you ever read?
00:11:11.000 Do you even know what history is?
00:11:13.000 Enforcing a talking filibuster does not eliminate the filibuster.
00:11:17.000 It actually restores the filibuster.
00:11:20.000 The modern filibuster is the silent one.
00:11:24.000 It's a 20th century convenience.
00:11:27.000 Cloture, a word nobody knows about that was added in 1917.
00:11:32.000 Gee, who was the president in 1917?
00:11:37.000 Cloture gives you the 60 vote threshold and they weaponized it in the late 20th century.
00:11:43.000 What we have now is not tradition.
00:11:45.000 It's drift.
00:11:46.000 And that drift was, that ball was starting to drift.
00:11:50.000 From whom?
00:11:51.000 Woodrow Wilson.
00:11:53.000 From 1806 forward.
00:11:55.000 If you wanted to block a bill, you had to stand up on your feet and you talked.
00:12:00.000 You held the floor.
00:12:02.000 You sweated.
00:12:03.000 You read, you read from cookbooks if you had to.
00:12:06.000 You physically sustained opposition.
00:12:09.000 That's not nuking the filibuster.
00:12:11.000 That's requiring it.
00:12:12.000 That's requiring courage.
00:12:14.000 It's requiring that the democratic or whoever uses it, the senators who literally can barely
00:12:20.000 stand, have to stand.
00:12:23.000 You can't sit while delivering a filibuster.
00:12:26.000 How many of the 90 year olds can stand that long?
00:12:29.000 Hmm.
00:12:30.000 And here's the real problem with the Republicans.
00:12:32.000 And I'm going to say it.
00:12:34.000 The reason why the Republicans are trying not to do it is because it's going to require
00:12:38.000 them to show up in the middle of the night.
00:12:41.000 It's going to require them to do hard things.
00:12:44.000 And they don't want to do that.
00:12:46.000 They just want to go home.
00:12:48.000 Historically, the talking filibuster was used to delay banking legislation in the 19th century.
00:12:55.000 It was used during World War one.
00:12:58.000 It was infamously used by the Southern Democrats to try to stop civil rights legislation.
00:13:04.000 And they did in the fifties and early sixties.
00:13:07.000 Strom Thurmond had his 24 hour speech against the civil rights act in 1957.
00:13:12.000 Notice something.
00:13:13.000 Notice anything.
00:13:14.000 They're all standing.
00:13:16.000 When, when somebody believed that something mattered, whether they were right or wrong,
00:13:21.000 they had to stand there and they had to pay the price.
00:13:25.000 Today, a Senator just sends a little email to leadership.
00:13:29.000 I object.
00:13:30.000 And then suddenly it's 60 votes to get this thing on the floor to vote.
00:13:34.000 That's not constitutional reverence.
00:13:36.000 That's laziness.
00:13:38.000 The save America act has passed the house multiple times.
00:13:43.000 It's overwhelmingly popular with the U S population.
00:13:47.000 Voter ID pulls through the roof, including among Democrats.
00:13:51.000 And yet the Senate Republicans whisper.
00:13:53.000 Yeah, but we don't have 60.
00:13:55.000 You don't need 60.
00:13:56.000 Make them stand up and talk.
00:13:59.000 Make them hold the floor.
00:14:01.000 Make them defend opposing voter ID in front of the American people for days, weeks, months.
00:14:07.000 I don't care how long it takes.
00:14:09.000 That's not destroying Senate norms.
00:14:12.000 Republicans, conservatives, pundits are, you're not this stupid.
00:14:18.000 Are you?
00:14:20.000 This is not destroying the filibuster.
00:14:23.000 If they wanted to destroy the filibuster, I'd be with you.
00:14:27.000 But I did my homework because I thought originally, wait a minute, we're changing the filibuster.
00:14:31.000 I don't want to change this filibuster.
00:14:33.000 I want the filibuster go back away.
00:14:35.000 It was with, you know, Jimmy Stewart and Mr. Smith goes to why.
00:14:39.000 That's what this is.
00:14:41.000 That's what this is.
00:14:43.000 And either you don't understand Senate history, which is unacceptable, or you do understand it and you're choosing comfort over confrontation.
00:14:53.000 Both are failures.
00:14:56.000 Meanwhile, what do the voters who want to vote Republicans see?
00:15:01.000 Republicans joining Democrats on bloated appropriations.
00:15:05.000 Millions for gender transition clinics while you're telling us you're against it.
00:15:10.000 Billions for refugee resettlement.
00:15:13.000 A refusal to strip pork.
00:15:15.000 Votes to protect activist judicial judges.
00:15:18.000 Votes to protect agencies that Americans now see as ideological enforcement arms.
00:15:25.000 And then, of course, we get the speeches on fiscal discipline.
00:15:30.000 You think the voters are stupid.
00:15:33.000 They're not stupid.
00:15:34.000 And they're growing pissed.
00:15:37.000 They see the stall tactics.
00:15:39.000 They know what it is.
00:15:40.000 They see the spending.
00:15:41.000 They know what it is.
00:15:42.000 They see members who are more afraid of a nasty op-ed in the stupid Washington Post than a primary challenger back at home.
00:15:51.000 And here's the fatal miscalculation, John Cornyn and all you like him.
00:15:56.000 Republican voters are done being managed.
00:15:59.000 They're done being told to wait.
00:16:02.000 They're done being told, well, now is not the time.
00:16:05.000 When is the time?
00:16:07.000 We're done watching the left use power ruthlessly while we don't even want to use anything that's legal.
00:16:17.000 If Republicans lose the majority, you are going to be blamed by the left for extremism.
00:16:25.000 If you lose your base, you're going to be blamed by constitutional conservatives for cowardice.
00:16:32.000 Go ahead, cowards.
00:16:36.000 When you're blamed by both the left and the right, history tends to be a little unkind to you.
00:16:43.000 This is bigger than one bill.
00:16:45.000 This is truly about whether the Republican Party still believes it's an instrument of constitutional government or just a speed bump in front of progressive expansion.
00:16:55.000 Trump has done all of your heavy lifting.
00:16:58.000 He's taken the hits.
00:17:00.000 He's reset the board.
00:17:01.000 Now the question for you is simple.
00:17:04.000 What did you do other than protect procedure, other than protect comfort, other than protect incumbency?
00:17:13.000 It's not too late, but I'm telling you the clock is ticking.
00:17:16.000 There's time before November.
00:17:18.000 Reconciliation exists.
00:17:20.000 Talking filibusters can be enforced.
00:17:22.000 Spending can still be cut.
00:17:24.000 The save act can be forced to the floor and you can win.
00:17:27.000 But that requires energy.
00:17:29.000 Backbone.
00:17:30.000 It requires senators who are willing to sweat on the floor instead of sweat in the green room explaining why nothing can be done.
00:17:38.000 Because here's the reality.
00:17:40.000 If you as a Republican, if you keep running out the clock, you're not going to just lose the chamber.
00:17:46.000 You're going to lose your primaries.
00:17:48.000 You're going to fracture your party.
00:17:50.000 And in the vacuum created by inaction, something far worse always grows.
00:17:55.000 History teaches us when institutions refuse to act while the public loses faith, republics don't stabilize, they destabilize.
00:18:03.000 And this time, if it collapses, nobody's going to believe it was an accident.
00:18:08.000 They will say to you, you had the house, you had the Senate, you had the presidency, you had the mandate, and you chose alibis over action.
00:18:17.000 Finish the damn job.
00:18:20.000 Or I warn you, history will finish it for you.
00:18:24.000 Let me tell you about the burner launcher.
00:18:27.000 Let me paint a picture for you.
00:18:28.000 Uh, it's Saturday afternoon, youth soccer game, dozens of parents lined up, you know, along the sidelines.
00:18:33.000 You know, they got chairs and coffee cups and you know, everybody's trying to pretend they're, they're not more competitive than their kids.
00:18:39.000 Everything is normal, right?
00:18:41.000 Until two dads, two dads decide, you know, it is in fact, the world cup and voices rise and shoulders square.
00:18:48.000 And one of them takes a step forward, a little too aggressive.
00:18:50.000 And now you got a crowd, you got kids watching situation escalating faster than it should.
00:18:55.000 Here's the thing, moments like this can get out of hand and go from that to life and death at a drop of a hat.
00:19:04.000 It starts out sometimes as ego as heat and somebody who doesn't know how to back down.
00:19:08.000 And that is the situation to where, you know, you do not want to get involved.
00:19:13.000 Uh, but if it starts to really get out of hand, you, you have a burner launcher, chemical irritant projectiles that will stop the threat coming at you and create distance without using any kind of deadly force.
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00:19:42.000 Now back to the podcast.
00:19:44.000 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:19:46.000 And we really want to thank you for listening.
00:19:48.000 Fuck my man.
00:19:50.000 How are you?
00:19:51.000 Glenn?
00:19:52.000 I'm great.
00:19:53.000 Thank you so much for having me on.
00:19:54.000 And thank you for convincing me 15 years ago, not to go to an Ivy league business school and to come work for you instead at your company.
00:20:03.000 It all worked out.
00:20:04.000 It all worked out.
00:20:05.000 I mean, imagine how different you would be if you had gone to that Ivy league.
00:20:11.000 Education.
00:20:12.000 Maybe it would have been different for you because I mean, you're, you talk about it.
00:20:16.000 Manufacturing delusion, you know, the tricks of indoctrination.
00:20:20.000 So maybe it would have been different from you.
00:20:22.000 Yeah.
00:20:23.000 I would hope that I could have continued to stay sane.
00:20:26.000 I mean, look, the basis of this book, the basic idea, it comes out of the madness of covid, but it's not a covid book.
00:20:35.000 It's OK.
00:20:36.000 Everybody.
00:20:37.000 We know we read about these other places.
00:20:39.000 We're familiar with mind control in the Soviet Union with the culture revolution in Maoist China and how insane that got with the reality of North Korea today.
00:20:51.000 We know that that all exists and that all has happened.
00:20:54.000 But how is it that in this country, we basically collectively, not all of us, but as a country went insane during covid.
00:21:01.000 And I was like, well, if it's possible on that, you know, it's possible on other things, too.
00:21:06.000 And there's actually smaller bouts of of politicized insanity, BLM, climate change, the gender madness.
00:21:15.000 I mean, I have a whole chapter, Glenn, and you would you would love this by legitimately.
00:21:19.000 I'm sure people says, Glenn, you will actually love this book.
00:21:22.000 I go back into the writings of a World War Two Dutch psychiatrist named Dr.
00:21:26.000 Juist Mirlu, and he coined the term menticide.
00:21:29.000 He wrote a book called Rape of the Mind.
00:21:31.000 He sat down with Nazis, Nazi prisoners of war to say, how did you do this?
00:21:37.000 Basically, how did you make a whole country go insane?
00:21:41.000 And he approached this as a psychiatrist, as a practitioner and came up with this framework.
00:21:46.000 Well, the framework, Glenn, is applicable to some of the brainwashing, some of the things we see going on here in America today.
00:21:53.000 And so that's why the book, it's it's history, but it's a history that informs what's happening right now.
00:21:58.000 The gender madness we're seeing is a huge part of chapter two.
00:22:01.000 So, but I just want you to know you had me at former German scientist.
00:22:08.000 I just you had me there.
00:22:11.000 So where are we seeing this really?
00:22:17.000 Because I think it's we're being hit by education.
00:22:21.000 We're being hit by jihadis.
00:22:23.000 We're being hit by we're being hit by Marxists.
00:22:28.000 Are they all using the same tactics?
00:22:34.000 Yes, there's there is a similarity.
00:22:36.000 Now, the reason I broke it down into into the chapters, the chapters are essentially all variations on the theme of what we call brainwashing.
00:22:44.000 Brainwashing. That's the most general term practitioners, Glenn, psychiatrists.
00:22:48.000 They actually call it mind control or coercive mind control.
00:22:51.000 And that will include things like cult indoctrination in the book.
00:22:55.000 I get into under the identity construction chapter.
00:22:58.000 I'll get into jihadis.
00:23:00.000 I get into some of the cult stuff.
00:23:02.000 Om Shinrikyo.
00:23:03.000 And that's stuff that people should be very aware of as well, because it's effectively a totalitarian state without the state.
00:23:10.000 It's the full control of individuals that is achieved through this mind control process without having a massive secret police.
00:23:19.000 You know, it's one thing for the Soviet Union to do it.
00:23:21.000 It's another thing for Maoist China to do it.
00:23:23.000 But to operate on an individual or much smaller basis, that's obviously what you see going on in cults.
00:23:30.000 But I break this down into conditioning.
00:23:32.000 And I start with Pavlov.
00:23:33.000 Fascinating stuff about Ivan Pavlov, Nobel laureate.
00:23:37.000 And really the beginning of our scientific conception of understanding that what your brain is taking in affects your body directly.
00:23:48.000 Right. And there's this that you get into the sort of the reflex and the conditional reflex, which is initially what it was called.
00:23:54.000 We call it, you know, conditioning.
00:23:55.000 Now it's a whole series of behavioralism training, but conditional reflex.
00:24:00.000 But here's what Pavlov learned that was really interesting, Glenn.
00:24:03.000 There was a it was at the time was Leningrad, St. Petersburg.
00:24:07.000 They've changed name a bunch of times, but there was a flood at his lab and the dogs in the lab almost drowned.
00:24:13.000 And it was one of these things where the water was rising.
00:24:15.000 The water's rising.
00:24:16.000 These dogs.
00:24:17.000 I'm a huge dog person.
00:24:18.000 So I get like upset just thinking about this.
00:24:20.000 But the dogs were freaking out and freaking out.
00:24:23.000 The lab technician, not Pavlov, got there, freed the dogs last minute.
00:24:27.000 And they had not only a complete erasure of the conditioning that they had had because of this trauma.
00:24:35.000 They also had extreme behavioral changes apart from that, meaning some that were docile became aggressive.
00:24:41.000 Some that were aggressive became docile.
00:24:43.000 So this set this light off.
00:24:45.000 And you know who thought it was really interesting that there was this new series of behavioralism training going on?
00:24:50.000 Lenin himself.
00:24:52.000 Lenin.
00:24:53.000 Stalin.
00:24:54.000 The Soviets.
00:24:55.000 And they started paying very close attention to this.
00:24:58.000 And they came up with, Glenn, some step by step and some here's how you do it.
00:25:02.000 And that's a lot of the meat of the book is looking into those practices, you know, isolation, keeping people confused, keeping people frack atomized in society.
00:25:12.000 There's all these different things.
00:25:14.000 You know, I've heard from, cause I've changed my approach to the show, um, recently, you know, in the last, it's been happening over the last three, four or five months.
00:25:25.000 Um, and I'm trying just to explain things more than anything else.
00:25:30.000 Just try to help clarify things so people can understand it less opinion, maybe, and more just here's what's actually happening and how it works.
00:25:40.000 Um, and, and my gut has told me that is so important because the world doesn't need more opinions and it doesn't need more electric shocks to it.
00:25:55.000 The only way out is through reason.
00:25:57.000 Um, is, am I accurate on that at all?
00:26:02.000 You see any evidence that, I mean, how do you get out of this?
00:26:06.000 This is where I go.
00:26:07.000 This is where the book, uh, sort of finishes in the last chapter.
00:26:11.000 And, and the, the final arguments are people need to understand that the, uh, the city advice, uh, the call to arms, if you will, uh, from souls and needs in the great Soviet dissident of live, not live.
00:26:26.000 You have people ask me, how do we avoid this stuff?
00:26:28.000 Cause this lays out the different tactics.
00:26:30.000 It lays out confusion and degradation as the twin pillars of mental side.
00:26:34.000 For example, it lays out, wait, wait, wait, wait, just wait, explain each of those as you go through them real quickly.
00:26:40.000 Just explain them.
00:26:41.000 So, so, so in the mental side of process, in order to unmoor you from your ethics, your sense of self, your sense of reality around you, um, they want to keep you confused.
00:26:52.000 Now they can lock you in a cell, cut you off from all daylight and, you know, blast music in.
00:26:58.000 There's things that they can physically do, but also there are ways that you can just try to keep people confused through propaganda, confused through messaging.
00:27:07.000 So they don't have the basic moral understanding.
00:27:10.000 And degradation is really a degradation of your ability to understand the most fundamental truth.
00:27:16.000 And this is why I get into the transgender madness that sees this country.
00:27:20.000 Because Glenn, under a menticidal framework, if you are willing to affirm the most obvious madness, which is that a man can become a woman and that there's no biological advantage, these sorts of things, you are not just conceding on that issue.
00:27:36.000 You are degrading your own brain's ability to make the most basic distinctions and undermining the confidence that you have in your perception of reality.
00:27:46.000 This is a key step in mere lose menticide.
00:27:50.000 This is a key step in how, and this is why it can be done with extreme force, but it can also be done with extreme messaging all throughout the society around us.
00:27:58.960 And so that's what we get into.
00:28:00.000 It was, I mean, some of, some of that is through extreme force, because if you didn't, if you didn't go along with it, you were ostracized.
00:28:09.780 You were out.
00:28:10.460 Of course.
00:28:11.180 Yeah, it's just a difference of what the punishments are.
00:28:14.880 I mean, one of them, there's a whole, there's a whole chapter, Glenn, where I get into what really happened in China and the incredible, now the Chinese, the Maoists, borrowed from the Stalinists, who of course were like, hey, we have this new Soviet man that we're going to build.
00:28:30.020 This guy Pavlov, you know, Pavlov, by the way, actually hated the Soviets, the whole other thing, but this guy Pavlov, we can build on his scientific knowledge and we can just basically turn people into robots.
00:28:39.620 Not really that easy, right?
00:28:41.000 That's, that's one of the good news parts of this is that every human being, you could say, because of our underlying makeup, you could say, because of our soul, you can't just flip a switch and get the same outcome.
00:28:51.320 It's not actually a machine, but there is a process here and what they would do in Maoist China.
00:28:56.660 And there was a psychologist, Robert Lifton, who traveled there right at the early phase of the Chinese Cultural Revolution.
00:29:03.760 And he said, one of the things they would come up with is people would have to, they would force confessions, Glenn.
00:29:09.340 This also goes to degradation.
00:29:11.040 Force confessions.
00:29:12.320 And the people would write things that were crazy.
00:29:14.640 And the point was they had them go through it over and over and over again.
00:29:18.100 And they would tell them, your confession is not sincere enough.
00:29:22.320 So they would know that they're lying.
00:29:24.240 Everyone knows that they're lying.
00:29:25.440 They're confessing to crazy crimes, you know, treason that they never could have done.
00:29:29.480 It'd be like me sitting here writing that I assassinated Abraham Lincoln.
00:29:32.220 They're like, well, that is not a sincere enough confession.
00:29:34.260 Try again.
00:29:34.960 Try again.
00:29:35.800 This is how they break people down.
00:29:37.000 Glenn, this is to your point.
00:29:39.100 When you don't use the preferred pronouns, maybe you get fired.
00:29:42.920 You say man up.
00:29:44.100 Maybe you get an excuse from the corporate meeting.
00:29:45.900 Like these, these are threads.
00:29:48.860 These are, are trends in mind control that have seized this country.
00:29:52.740 In Pavlovian conditioning, wear a mask, even when everyone knows you're outside.
00:29:56.680 I mean, all these things that we did, these physical manifestations of obedience are meant
00:30:01.740 to train our minds into a way that we can be molded and weaponized for politics.
00:30:06.760 And to what you're saying about all the messages everywhere and why it's so important not to
00:30:10.240 live, to live not by lies now.
00:30:12.320 So because of technology and AI, I'm glad I'm sure you come across this too.
00:30:17.300 Sometimes even among my own staff on the show, we'll say, oh guys, is this, is this AI?
00:30:22.760 Is this real?
00:30:23.520 And we do this for a living trying to figure out what's real, what's not.
00:30:26.340 I know this is only going to increase.
00:30:28.800 And once you add neural implants, which are just over the horizon into the game, mechanistic
00:30:33.900 mind control, I mean, really controlling the synapses becomes more of a scientific reality.
00:30:39.080 So the ultimate control is control over your mind and in manufacturing delusion, you will
00:30:44.280 understand how the bad guys do this and how you avoid this.
00:30:48.540 Glenn, it took me 18 months to write.
00:30:50.140 It took the CIA six months to clear.
00:30:52.740 So this is a true labor of love.
00:30:54.780 And I really think that everybody, it's meant to be read and it can even be read chapter
00:30:58.700 by chapter.
00:30:59.220 You don't have to read the whole thing at once, although I think some people get through
00:31:01.300 it quickly.
00:31:02.280 It is readable more than once.
00:31:05.020 It is readable as a reference.
00:31:06.700 And I throw some cool CIA stories in there that I've never told before because the time
00:31:10.800 has elapsed and I can talk about it now.
00:31:12.260 So there you go.
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00:31:20.860 Steven, welcome to the program.
00:31:23.440 I don't even know where to begin with you.
00:31:26.560 Well, I like your introduction because this is a crisis unlike any other crisis that we're
00:31:32.180 facing.
00:31:32.540 We're facing a lot of crises, Glenn, and this one I think should be at the top of the agenda
00:31:37.920 simply because we don't know what the solution is.
00:31:40.020 I think every other crisis, we could kind of come up with ideas of solutions, nuclear
00:31:44.560 proliferation.
00:31:46.060 If you want to go down other avenues in the environment, you can at least have a conversation.
00:31:50.020 But this one, really, there's no example of a nation that's ever recovered from this.
00:31:56.060 I'm going to get into the stats here in a second with you.
00:31:58.400 I want you to explain, you know, how bad the problem is, but do we even know what's
00:32:04.000 causing the problem?
00:32:06.880 Well, we've, we've a pretty good idea of what it's not.
00:32:11.080 Okay.
00:32:11.520 So that's a good starting point.
00:32:13.260 All right.
00:32:13.440 So let's get into that.
00:32:14.420 Let's get into that here in a second.
00:32:16.060 Tell me what is the problem?
00:32:18.700 What are the, what are the numbers showing?
00:32:20.620 The numbers are showing two things that to me, you know, really take us down to a much
00:32:29.120 deeper understanding than saying that we've got a birth rate problem.
00:32:31.980 That's much too generalized.
00:32:33.980 What are those two things?
00:32:35.280 Mothers have been remarkable.
00:32:37.440 I guess fathers too, but we got so much data on mothers.
00:32:41.060 That's what we talk about.
00:32:42.620 Do you know that mothers in the U S are having more children now than they were in the eighties?
00:32:47.060 Even mothers in Japan are having the same number of children as 1970, same across much of Europe.
00:32:55.000 So once you have your first child, you're actually going on to have two, maybe three children,
00:33:00.580 just as much as your mother's generation.
00:33:03.900 And even in some cases, grandmother.
00:33:05.420 So it's not about mothers.
00:33:07.420 Yeah.
00:33:07.600 I mean, this is through incredible shifts in education opportunities for women, political
00:33:13.920 shifts, cultural shifts, and many depart parts of the world.
00:33:17.820 Mothers are to me incredibly resilient and by inference, fathers too.
00:33:22.740 No, this is about childlessness.
00:33:24.360 It's about those people.
00:33:26.100 And I believe the majority of them did plan to become parents.
00:33:30.360 In fact, I'm quite certain of that.
00:33:33.120 This is about the people who probably would have wanted to become a parent, but things didn't
00:33:39.640 work out and that really takes us down to a much deeper understanding of why is it that
00:33:47.260 many people who plan to become a parent, and I know this will resonate with many of your
00:33:52.540 listeners and, and, and to be honest with you, the people I have met who have been in
00:33:57.780 this category, they often talk of grief.
00:34:00.180 So my heart goes out to any of your listeners who dreamed of a family and for whatever reason,
00:34:06.340 not meeting the right partner, things not lining up, divorce, breakup.
00:34:10.620 And if you look at the data from Japan to Europe, US, even now Southern India is saying the same
00:34:17.400 thing.
00:34:17.940 You're finding the number of people with no children who dreamed of it is the real heart
00:34:23.680 of this issue.
00:34:24.360 Okay.
00:34:25.240 Okay.
00:34:25.760 So is that possibly linked at all with the way our society now is saying, don't get
00:34:32.820 married early, you know, do your career.
00:34:34.840 And so you're in your 30s sometimes before you get married and then things, you, you just
00:34:40.340 wait a couple more years and all of a sudden you've just timed out.
00:34:44.340 Does that have anything to do with it?
00:34:46.760 I mean, I mean, you're exactly, you're exactly on the money.
00:34:50.080 Um, it, it, it's not only linked to it from data, we can take data now from about 40 different
00:34:57.360 nations where we've, where we've got good data.
00:35:00.640 And all we need to know is what's the average age that a woman is having her first child
00:35:06.980 and a little bit about, you know, how early are people starting family, how late, but it's
00:35:12.100 really that, that's that middle age.
00:35:13.960 And for the U S right now, that's 28 years old for many countries that 30 or older for
00:35:19.560 first child, that alone predicts about 80 to 90% of birth rates.
00:35:25.680 So it's all linked to age.
00:35:28.240 And again, to me, what's quite remarkable, we're very good.
00:35:32.280 Every nation talks about its own issues.
00:35:34.860 It's the price of real estate.
00:35:36.980 It's a work life balance.
00:35:38.920 It's, you know, Southern Europe, it's youth unemployment, uh, it's gender issues in Korea.
00:35:43.960 But no, you look at the data and it cuts through all of this.
00:35:48.220 The reality is without exception, every nation has a straight line in terms of the age of
00:35:55.420 motherhood.
00:35:56.040 It goes up every year, up and up and up.
00:35:59.420 And with it, birth rates come down.
00:36:02.240 And, uh, you're going, we're noticing this, uh, right now, Glenn, you know, it's in the
00:36:06.720 news almost daily in some cases.
00:36:09.760 The reality is this started in the seventies, but we didn't really know this because people
00:36:14.760 who delayed parenthood in the early seventies, mostly had a chance to catch up and have a
00:36:20.380 child mid twenties, late twenties.
00:36:22.740 We're now at a point where people are starting so late.
00:36:26.080 It gets more and more challenging for different reasons to really have your first child, you
00:36:31.440 know, 33, 35, 37.
00:36:33.200 You hear, of course it can happen, but for more and more people, it simply doesn't.
00:36:37.660 So where is it the worst and why?
00:36:45.720 South Korea and the word, the word I have.
00:36:50.240 Yes.
00:36:50.800 So the average, uh, woman in South Korea is having 0.7 children.
00:36:59.700 Um, us is 1.6.
00:37:03.220 That's not good because we need around two, 2.1 children per family.
00:37:07.820 Basically everyone having two kids on average for a population to remain stable.
00:37:13.760 South Korea is at one third of that level.
00:37:16.300 Why, why, why is South Korea so bad?
00:37:20.840 Well, they've got the double, triple, triple whammy going on.
00:37:24.840 What has happened is not only has the age of motherhood now reached nearly 33 years old.
00:37:31.200 That's for first child.
00:37:32.360 It's reached so late that the likelihood of a woman ever becoming a mother in South Korea
00:37:39.820 is now less than 50%.
00:37:41.780 Only 45% of women there ever become mothers.
00:37:45.960 And the extra challenge they now have because it's happening so late, 40% of women there only
00:37:54.440 have one child, usually it's around 20% of most nations, even neighboring Japan, it's around
00:38:00.800 20%.
00:38:01.660 So not only is incredibly unlikely now for a woman of a child in South Korea, it's more and
00:38:08.440 more likely that she'll only have one.
00:38:10.240 So is this at all caused by Western civilization?
00:38:18.920 I mean, the way we have, the way we've prioritized our lives now, and in many cases away from,
00:38:29.680 you know, creationism, away from the family is sacred that, you know, that humans are supposed
00:38:36.120 to multiply and be fruitful instead, you know, put yourself first, put the, you know, your,
00:38:42.100 your, um, your business first or whatever, because is this happening across all cultures
00:38:48.800 or is it just the Western culture?
00:38:52.220 Uh, Glenn, this is every culture you research and even Southern India now has birth rates
00:38:58.220 as low as 1.6, the same as the U S and has been at that level.
00:39:02.820 So, uh, in some cases, it's not, it's not, it's not Islam, is it?
00:39:08.260 No.
00:39:08.760 Uh, well, do you know, I, I get to, you know, I'm lucky I get to speak in places around the
00:39:13.800 world.
00:39:14.020 I get to meet governments around the world and I've been to the Middle East three times
00:39:18.700 in the past year with governments deeply worried about the rapid falling birth rates
00:39:23.500 in the Middle East.
00:39:25.300 So what's the common link?
00:39:27.100 Because you're not too far.
00:39:28.360 Well, to be honest with you, you were, you were, you were really right.
00:39:30.580 We've lost something in all communities.
00:39:34.100 And what is it driven by perhaps innocently, perhaps otherwise we have turned our twenties
00:39:41.460 into a decade of education, education, education, without thinking about family, future family
00:39:48.560 and then career development, career development, career development.
00:39:51.680 And when you, when I get to talk to young people that in the U S today, a woman turning
00:40:00.340 30 without a child has at most a 50% chance of ever becoming a mother, age 30, if you haven't
00:40:07.560 already had your first child.
00:40:09.240 And that's the same in all of these countries.
00:40:11.020 In fact, in Japan, it's even younger.
00:40:12.580 It's only 26.
00:40:13.560 So we have put so much focus on other things other than family and frankly, having been
00:40:22.800 honest to ourselves, partly because few people have known the data.
00:40:27.000 I hope that changes that unless the societies, yeah, I get the reality.
00:40:32.620 CDC data will tell you that around 90% of women either have or want kids.
00:40:37.780 And that really hasn't changed very much.
00:40:40.780 It's come down a little bit, but not what you might hear in the press.
00:40:45.300 Nobody wants kids.
00:40:46.300 Really.
00:40:46.740 That's twisting certain facts.
00:40:48.840 I see all the time, 90% or more of women do want children one day.
00:40:54.420 But when you hear the reality today for the U S is we're looking at close to as few as six
00:41:00.420 out of 10 ever becoming mothers, you know, that gap in, I think people's dreams for family,
00:41:07.780 and young people's assumptions that, Hey, society's got me covered.
00:41:11.120 They're telling me to get an education.
00:41:12.820 They're telling me to work hard.
00:41:14.320 And of course, then I'm going to be able to meet someone and settle down because that's
00:41:18.300 what most people want to do.
00:41:19.860 And then finding out as many as 30% of women dreaming of a family end up childless.
00:41:26.260 Steven, um, does the, the fact that for some reason, this new generation is not having
00:41:37.540 as much sex, uh, as every other generation before, is that going to pile on to this and
00:41:45.500 make it worse?
00:41:46.160 Steven We haven't seen that yet.
00:41:48.860 And I'm not sure it will, but when I, when you look at all of the challenges that my kids
00:41:54.440 are in their twenties, you know, you see the challenges of this generation, um, you know,
00:42:00.520 relationship, sex, certainly in terms of devoting time to, you know, spending time alone and
00:42:07.600 perhaps gaming, et cetera.
00:42:08.780 To me, those are not causes.
00:42:12.040 They're actually consequences.
00:42:14.140 It used to be in all societies that a young man and woman would have a family by mid twenties.
00:42:22.500 They'd have different responsibilities.
00:42:24.580 They would mature in certain ways.
00:42:27.420 Right now, let's say you're 20 years old and there's someone you're quite interested in.
00:42:32.500 You're not thinking at that age, mostly they might be the person I settled down and have
00:42:37.320 a family with because for many people that's 10 years away.
00:42:40.880 So what do you do?
00:42:42.220 You fill up your twenties with other things.
00:42:46.100 What's the point of investing in a relationship?
00:42:48.920 What's the point of, you know, developing a path in life that would prepare me for our
00:42:55.080 children that comes in the thirties.
00:42:57.060 And I think my speculation is a lot of the current issues and challenges with, with younger
00:43:04.820 people stem from the reality.
00:43:07.480 We're no longer doing what we used to do in our twenties, which was start to raise a
00:43:11.580 family.
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00:43:21.380 You know, I find this next topic so fascinating because there is a difference between equal time
00:43:29.580 and the fairness doctrine and people always confuse the two.
00:43:33.640 And you would only know about either of those.
00:43:35.780 I think if you've ever been, you know, regulated by the FCC, most people don't even understand
00:43:40.700 what they are, but there are rules on public airwaves and they're different than cable and
00:43:47.760 everything else because those are public airwaves.
00:43:51.200 Um, and me, I love deregulation.
00:43:54.820 I'd love to see the FCC pretty much go away except for very few things to make sure that
00:44:00.480 we are, you know, you know, that we're still safe.
00:44:03.860 Um, but, uh, at the same time, we are living with a bunch of conservatives that always say
00:44:12.460 the same thing.
00:44:13.140 And that is, you know, the left uses every weapon in the chest and then, and then, then
00:44:17.700 they, they make up other weapons that aren't even in the constitutional chest, you know,
00:44:22.680 we got to fight back and use our, well, here's the FCC using the actual law, the way it is
00:44:28.780 supposed to be, um, applying those and then conservatives get upset.
00:44:34.100 I, I want you to hear it from the horse's mouth on what is actually, what is the law,
00:44:39.840 what is actually happening.
00:44:41.560 And then we can have the conversation of should that be that way or not?
00:44:46.360 Brendan Carr is with us.
00:44:47.800 He is the chairman of the FCC.
00:44:49.800 Um, and, uh, he is here to talk to us about what's happening with the view and Colbert.
00:44:55.460 Brendan, how are you, uh, sir?
00:44:57.920 I'm doing great.
00:44:58.700 Good to be with you again.
00:44:59.600 Appreciate it.
00:45:00.740 Yeah.
00:45:00.980 Good.
00:45:01.280 You bet.
00:45:01.920 Okay.
00:45:02.480 So did the FCC give CBS legal guidance about the interview, uh, with, uh, Tallarico, the
00:45:10.380 equal time?
00:45:10.980 No, not at all.
00:45:13.620 I woke up, uh, Tuesday morning and logged on to, uh, social media.
00:45:17.900 And that was the first time that I'd even heard about this.
00:45:20.640 And I woke up to a politician claiming, uh, that the FCC had somehow not aired is what
00:45:26.960 they said.
00:45:27.380 The FCC refused to air this segment.
00:45:30.280 And that wasn't true at all.
00:45:31.740 Not only was that not true, but the subsequent claim that, well, it was CBS that refused to
00:45:36.940 air, it was also proved to be a hoax as well.
00:45:40.000 That in fact, CBS apparently had advised Colbert they could run the exact interview that they
00:45:44.700 wanted.
00:45:45.300 And they just need to be mindful that it could trigger an equal time obligation for other
00:45:50.980 candidates.
00:45:51.620 And again, that would be a circumstance in which Colbert himself wouldn't even have had
00:45:55.740 to conduct the interview.
00:45:57.180 But to your point, you know, step back.
00:45:59.520 Broadcast TV is fundamentally different, as you noted, than cable and streaming and social
00:46:03.700 media because you've got licensed by the government.
00:46:05.740 And the reason you have a license is because we can't have multiple people on the same
00:46:09.960 airways at the same time.
00:46:11.060 So the government in broadcast, but not cable, not streaming picks winners and losers.
00:46:15.620 They say, you get a license and necessarily that means your friend or your neighbor don't
00:46:20.660 get the license.
00:46:21.900 And so when you broadcast, you're supposed to stand in the shoes, not just of yourself,
00:46:26.440 which is what you do on cable and everything else.
00:46:28.080 It's a public trust model.
00:46:29.640 You're supposed to operate in what we call the public interest and to look out for the views
00:46:34.040 and interests of those that were denied by the government, a license.
00:46:38.020 And so one of those specific statute requirements is called equal time.
00:46:42.260 And the idea here was that Congress didn't want media gatekeepers picking winners and losers
00:46:49.340 in elections.
00:46:50.540 They wanted individual people, the voters, to make those decisions.
00:46:54.720 But they knew that the powerful broadcasters could put a thumb on the scale and tip elections
00:46:59.640 by putting preferred candidate on the airways and denying others.
00:47:04.300 So they said equal time.
00:47:05.820 If you're going to have one candidate on, provide equal time for the other.
00:47:09.460 And it's funny for me to see people claiming that this is censorship.
00:47:13.060 It's the opposite of that.
00:47:15.140 There is nothing about the equal time rule that would ever prohibit anybody from having
00:47:20.280 any candidate on the air.
00:47:22.160 It simply says their opposition candidates should get an equal opportunity potentially
00:47:27.480 down the road.
00:47:29.120 Now, Congress then stepped in.
00:47:30.900 Hang on, hang on.
00:47:32.860 Let me, let me just speak as a broadcaster, but what it does do this, what the fairness
00:47:36.280 doctrine did.
00:47:37.060 And again, they're separate, but what the fairness doctrine did is it made broadcasters,
00:47:42.320 I know because I lived it, say it's not worth the hassle.
00:47:45.240 I just don't want to just forget the interview.
00:47:47.640 And so it is limiting only because they choose to limit.
00:47:52.100 I mean, you're going to have to have three different candidates on.
00:47:54.800 If you do that candidate, you're going to have to have three candidates on for the equal
00:47:58.560 time rule.
00:47:59.600 And then they get to decide, is that worth it or not?
00:48:03.300 Correct?
00:48:04.260 Well, one reason that's slightly different than the fairness doctrine is the fairness
00:48:08.540 doctrine said, if you're going to cover a controversial issue of public importance right then and there,
00:48:13.700 you got to give the left perspective and the right perspective with equal timing is you can
00:48:18.740 have just one candidate on your broadcast TV or radio program, but at some point in the
00:48:25.340 future, a different coast, a different time, they get equal comparable airtimes.
00:48:32.140 It doesn't require you to do it in the moment the same way that the fairness doctrine would
00:48:36.280 have done.
00:48:37.140 But Congress came in and said, you know what?
00:48:38.880 Let's create some exceptions to this.
00:48:40.240 And they create exceptions for what are known as bonafide news programs.
00:48:44.160 So if you're a bonafide news program, Congress was thinking about Meet the Press and different
00:48:48.680 programs like that, that you're just actually doing sort of journalistic work.
00:48:53.800 You're not trying to put a thumb on the scale for a candidate.
00:48:56.300 You're just trying to interview someone with, you know, normal journalistic questions.
00:49:01.000 You don't have to abide by equal time.
00:49:03.040 Okay, flash forward.
00:49:03.860 Over the last 30 or 40 years, everybody came to the FCC and they were getting dexterity
00:49:10.640 rulings to say that they were bonafide news programs and therefore exempt.
00:49:15.020 And people effectively read the exception as swallowing the rule.
00:49:18.960 And they said, anything goes, any TV program, any radio program is now bonafide news.
00:49:23.560 The exception swallows the rule.
00:49:25.200 And what we did at the beginning of the year was we said, listen, that's not what the statute
00:49:29.060 says.
00:49:29.580 That's not actually what the FCC case law says.
00:49:31.580 So just be mindful it's political season.
00:49:34.800 There's legally qualified candidates that you're going to have on and be mindful of the
00:49:38.480 equal time rule.
00:49:40.280 And again, on the Colbert episode, they were apparently given advice that they could do
00:49:44.920 this, but Colbert apparently did not want to have Jasmine Crockett on, who's running in
00:49:49.340 opposition in the Democrat primary to James Tallarico.
00:49:53.660 And it appears to be that he ran a hoax, that he knew he could fool the mainstream media,
00:49:58.020 the legacy media, by claiming he was censored and he could drive clicks and donations and
00:50:03.780 get a leg up on Jasmine Crockett.
00:50:05.660 And the national news media just went along hook, line and sinker because it fit with all
00:50:10.840 their priors that this was Trump censorship.
00:50:13.700 But this was a decision by Colbert and by Tallarico to put a hoax out there that they knew
00:50:18.820 the media would run for purposes of Tallarico, apparently scoring political points against
00:50:23.520 Jasmine Crockett.
00:50:24.400 If I was Jasmine Crockett, I'd be pretty upset by that.
00:50:26.500 All right.
00:50:28.080 So tell me about the view.
00:50:30.460 What's happening with the view?
00:50:33.700 The view is similar.
00:50:34.880 So the view apparently is claiming that they are a bonafide news program and therefore can
00:50:42.220 have one political candidate on and not afford equal opportunity to other candidates.
00:50:47.980 And what we have said is that the view has not established, they've not made the case to
00:50:52.900 the FCC that they do in fact qualify for the exception to the rule.
00:50:57.900 And so we have started an enforcement inquiry, taking enforcement actions to explore this
00:51:04.760 issue with them and move forward.
00:51:07.700 Again, they have not made the case that they are a bonafide news program and we're actively
00:51:12.320 looking at that.
00:51:13.020 So the one thing, Brendan, that I've always loved about you is you're a small government
00:51:19.700 guy.
00:51:20.340 And I will tell you one of the effects of this, I don't know if I'm sure you saw it, the Washington
00:51:26.200 Post editorial today about the abolition of the FCC rules.
00:51:32.080 I mean, it is, let me see if I can pull it up here.
00:51:34.060 It is absolutely incredible.
00:51:36.640 They are now talking about how maybe, listen to this, the Trump presidency ought to be an
00:51:44.520 education for progressives in the ways government over and the way government over regulation
00:51:49.800 can distort politics and business passed by Congress as part of 1934 communications act
00:51:55.740 equal time rule says, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:51:57.720 The FCC is charged with enforcing it.
00:51:59.800 The government shouldn't be dictating the political content of late night television, nor any other
00:52:05.080 entertainment Americans choose to consume.
00:52:07.120 But that's exactly what the equal time rule does.
00:52:09.720 It says that it is outdated and needs to be deregulated.
00:52:17.040 Could we maybe have an opportunity here where we can get rid of a lot of this regulation because
00:52:22.340 they're suddenly for it?
00:52:25.000 Well, I don't think everything they're saying there in terms of their understanding of the
00:52:28.440 way this rule operates is right.
00:52:29.820 But listen, if a collateral unintended consequence of me doing my job is we've got a lot more converts
00:52:35.680 to a small government conservatism, I guess I'll take that as a win.
00:52:39.160 But to your point, think about it this way.
00:52:42.100 A lot of times the Republicans are in government and they get gavels.
00:52:45.440 They take their gavel and they go to the farthest flung corners of the earth and they bury the
00:52:51.360 gavel in the sand.
00:52:52.340 And they say, if we were to actually just apply the law in a even handed way, then Democrats
00:52:57.920 will get the gavel again and they'll weaponize it.
00:53:00.200 And what that fundamentally misreads, among other things, is we have a job to do.
00:53:03.980 The statute requires this.
00:53:05.260 Let's apply it.
00:53:05.740 Let's not weaponize it.
00:53:07.440 Let's not abuse it.
00:53:08.360 Let's not be biased about it, but let's apply it in an even handed way.
00:53:11.240 And that's what I'm doing.
00:53:12.240 Now, what Democrats do when they get gavels is they weaponize it.
00:53:15.080 And we saw this at the FCC.
00:53:16.620 When the Democrats were charged in the FCC during the Biden years, they went after Fox
00:53:21.220 broadcast TV station and threatened to not renew their license for programming they didn't
00:53:27.000 like on Fox News cable, which is not regulated by the FCC.
00:53:31.000 You had Democrats that pressured cable companies to drop Fox News and OAN and Newsmax.
00:53:35.460 And that campaign worked.
00:53:36.720 You had senators on the Democrat side calling for the FCC to investigate Sinclair, a broadcaster,
00:53:42.720 for news distortion because they were viewed as a conservative outlet.
00:53:47.640 And so Democrats actually weaponize.
00:53:49.840 Whenever Democrats get gavels again at the FCC, let me tell you something.
00:53:52.820 They're going to weaponize.
00:53:54.080 What we need to do is that when we're here, let's just apply the law.
00:53:58.240 Let's not weaponize it against Republicans or Democrats, but the law is on the books.
00:54:02.340 If people want to get together and go to Congress and say, change the law, then they should do
00:54:06.760 that.
00:54:07.220 But up until then, we're just going to do this in a fair, even handed and balanced way.
00:54:11.700 Honestly, Brendan, if you said to me, Glenn, you haven't applied for news status or whatever
00:54:18.840 has to be done, and it's in question that the Democrats are saying it's in question that
00:54:24.740 you're a legitimate news program, and I say, well, what does that mean?
00:54:28.180 And you'd say, you can't have just one politician on that's running for office.
00:54:33.760 You at some point would have to have, you know, the others on as well.
00:54:38.360 I, I would take that as a giant blessing.
00:54:41.000 Really?
00:54:41.860 Thank you.
00:54:43.120 And I don't, I wouldn't have them on anymore.
00:54:45.840 I just, I wouldn't, I think it might make the show better.
00:54:48.780 I think it might make Colbert even better by not having them on.
00:54:52.300 Um, but that's the only consequence of this, right?
00:54:57.160 Is just candidates running you.
00:55:01.400 If you air them and you're not a legitimate news source, you or the network has to have
00:55:08.300 the other candidates on in an equal kind of time, uh, uh, scenario, correct?
00:55:16.560 That's effectively right.
00:55:17.820 That's how the rule operates.
00:55:19.840 And again, the idea here is let's let individual people, voters get more information and they
00:55:26.060 pick the winners of primaries and of generals.
00:55:29.020 Let's not have the media gatekeepers abuse their position of power, the position of public
00:55:35.140 trust of being on the airwaves to unfairly advantage one candidate or party over another.
00:55:40.720 So it's a leveling of the playing field.
00:55:42.460 It's about more speech, not less, but again, people can go to Congress and try to change
00:55:47.180 it.
00:55:47.340 I would love for anybody who wants to make the FCC smaller or any government agency smaller.
00:55:53.500 Um, and well, you're right enough to know that you're, and we are doing it.
00:55:59.260 We're actually running the largest deregulatory initiative in the agency's history.
00:56:03.640 We've gone through our big stack of code of federal regulations and we are deleting and
00:56:08.700 deleting and deleting.
00:56:09.580 We've gotten rid of hundreds of regulations at this point, a lot of dead wood, a lot of
00:56:14.800 regulations we don't need on the broadcast side though.
00:56:17.280 Again, it's just, it's a fundamentally different medium and on social media, my position is
00:56:21.540 very clear and continues to be, we want wide open, robust, uninhibited debate.
00:56:26.740 Um, and that's what we want to see.
00:56:29.260 But if you want to be on the unique medium of broadcast TV, you've got to comply with the
00:56:34.160 rules of the road there.
00:56:34.980 Yeah, uh, Brendan, thank you very much.
00:56:38.420 I appreciate it.
00:56:39.620 FCC chairman, Brendan Carr.
00:56:41.800 Good talking to you.
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