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00:00:00.000 Today, we talked about two things. We talked about what the president is going to talk about

00:00:03.640 tonight, the war in Iran, all of the scary possibilities and also some really positive

00:00:10.980 things. It could be very, very good tonight. And that kind of led into a conversation about

00:00:16.720 how Trump is a wartime president and he is facing a peacetime public. And that doesn't usually work

00:00:23.720 out well but let's see what happens tonight also artemis 2 uh artemis 2 if you're an insider watch

00:00:31.300 for all of the backstage things because i'm going to be streaming a lot today uh for the insiders

00:00:37.620 and because i'm going to be right there at the launch we're going to leave uh in just a couple

00:00:43.020 of minutes and then we're going to be at the launch no matter what time it takes off uh and

00:00:46.740 we talk about that what it what it really truly means and we have a guy who is trapped in space

00:00:52.820 for a year. Remember when Biden wouldn't send up anybody to go get him? What was he thinking

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00:03:17.660 bang bang don't bang bang bang swalwell don't want the fire no sarah sarah no stop stop that

00:03:27.940 needs that is that deserves a world premiere setup that is an eric swalwell don't bang bang

00:03:36.940 fang bang song and it's inappropriate at this moment we have more important things to do

00:03:42.840 we'll do that in a second. Also, in about 30 minutes, I'm going to give you an update on

00:03:50.400 what the president is doing today. Today is an extraordinarily historic day. First time a

00:03:57.500 president has ever sat in the Supreme Court to listen to an argument. Then Artemis. Then at 9

00:04:03.920 p.m. he's giving what could be a ground shattering speech from the Oval Office he is giving an

00:04:13.340 address uh already three prime ministers or it's actually two prime ministers and the head of the

00:04:19.060 EU have already prepared their people in pretty disturbing speeches um we'll find out tonight

00:04:27.680 at nine o'clock it would it must be really important for the president to speak

00:04:32.580 maybe within an hour up to three hours after artemis launches he's completely destroying

00:04:39.960 the the great um pr if you will or just the hope that artemis could give he's going to follow that

00:04:48.620 you'll have about two hours to enjoy that light and then something big is being announced tonight

00:04:53.700 um we'll see i wanted to you know because it is easter week and i just think there are so many

00:05:00.460 things that are happening that are good um and we we have to have faith to get through all of this

00:05:07.380 i wanted to get uh butch uh wilmore on he is a retired nasa astronaut he was a navy captain

00:05:14.660 he has written a book called stuck in space do you remember when boeing uh sent up what was it

00:05:21.100 their, their star liner.

00:05:23.060 And I remember as he was sitting on the pad and I'm getting ready to watch

00:05:27.200 this thing launch.

00:05:27.920 I'm like, this is the worst thing.

00:05:29.280 I would not get into a boning Boeing star liner because remember it was all

00:05:32.320 the problems that they were having.

00:05:33.280 And I'm like, Boeing, you are so screwed.

00:05:35.060 If this thing goes up and it can't get back, God forbid.

00:05:39.180 And they were stuck in space forever.

00:05:41.920 And I think it was finally Elon Musk that went up and said, I'll go get

00:05:45.780 them.

00:05:46.860 That must've been terrifying.

00:05:48.480 butch is the guy who was the pilot at that time if he wasn't it was he the pilot

00:05:54.260 or the captain uh the commander i i'm not sure but um he was stuck up there and it's his faith

00:06:03.740 that got him through that and uh butch is on with us now butch were you the pilot the commander what

00:06:10.500 what position were you in i'm sorry yeah glenn no problem it's a blessing to be with you thank

00:06:15.640 you for having me on i was the commander i was in the left seat yeah i was the one on the controls

00:06:19.420 yeah that was my that was my role uh and when that thing happened how bad was it i mean now

00:06:27.800 we can talk about it because everybody was like oh no it's not so bad and i'm thinking no i think

00:06:32.100 that's really bad what was going through your head when you start going wrong yeah in the moment it

00:06:38.420 was it was it was pretty serious i mean we lost the ability to fully control the spacecraft in

00:06:44.100 all six degrees of freedom one one degree of freedom we lost completely the other axes the

00:06:49.420 attitude and the translation were compromised and were very very challenging this is before

00:06:55.020 we're docking we're out in front of the space station and what was going through my mind there

00:06:58.740 was three things um we have to dock uh we did not have very many options at the time not knowing

00:07:06.240 why we're losing these thrusters we lost lost ultimately lost five of our eight af firing

00:07:12.220 thrusters and during that process not knowing why they're dropping we have to dock if we don't dock

00:07:18.460 because of the control was was very challenging because i was i was manual control um i knew it

00:07:25.060 would be very difficult to control the spacecraft and get it to a position where we could do a

00:07:29.180 de-orbit burn and return to earth so that's why the thought was we have to dock if we don't dock

00:07:33.960 i'm not sure what our options are and the third thing i thought this is a six spacecraft uh if we

00:07:40.200 are able to dock successfully, if we're able to get there, I don't think we'll be able to come

00:07:45.000 back on this spacecraft. Even then, I knew that because I understand what all goes into trying

00:07:50.040 to bound a problem like this and understand it where you would crawl back in and attempt to come

00:07:54.980 back to Earth. I know how difficult that would be, even in the moments of before docking. So I knew

00:07:59.900 that if we got docked, the chances were slim that we would turn on Starliner, even in those moments.

00:08:05.860 Where is Starliner now?

00:08:06.940 uh starliner it did come back it did have some problems we should not have been on it

00:08:12.760 there are many others that would say it was fine but it wasn't we lost a pitch thruster so we would

00:08:17.600 have been coming back into the atmosphere had we been on it zero fault tolerance maintaining our

00:08:23.080 control of pitch control so we shouldn't admit shouldn't have been on it and i'm glad we weren't

00:08:26.880 right um but it made it did make it back um it did successfully that that one pitch thruster that

00:08:32.440 remained it it did successfully it did operate successfully so it made it back and now they're

00:08:37.580 refurbishing going through the whole process of making sure that the thrusters are are pristine

00:08:43.240 are are workable and and trying to get back it'll be a cargo spacecraft initially if and when it

00:08:48.820 does fly again and then we'll see if they ever put people on it again so you know the reason why

00:08:53.400 they put people like you test pilots and people with vast experience up into space and not people

00:08:58.160 like me is because I would have been screaming, we're all going to die. Was there a moment at all

00:09:04.880 that you thought, we're not coming home? Well, you mentioned it at the very beginning there,

00:09:11.220 Glenn. You said the faith. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I have eternal hope. There's

00:09:17.380 nothing that can outdo or overshadow that. So in all situations, that brings comfort and

00:09:24.360 contentment, regardless if you are facing death. And did death go through my mind? Absolutely it

00:09:29.860 did, because the control was so difficult, and the fact that not knowing if we could

00:09:37.680 eventually get back, or not get back, but get docked to station, not understanding that in the

00:09:44.260 moment, surely that went through my mind. But even in that, I mean, my sins are forgiven. Jesus

00:09:49.680 Christ paid the price for my sins on the cross. He incurred the wrath of God for my sins on the

00:09:55.260 cross. And therefore, I mean, I believe that, and He has transformed me. He has forgiven me.

00:10:01.440 Because of that, I have eternal hope in any situation. Fear? Yeah, was there fear? I would

00:10:06.680 say there's fear, but you've got to be able to manage that in these high-stress situations,

00:10:11.160 because fear is very detrimental. You've got to be able to focus because you have to perform,

00:10:16.820 And fear can be a detriment to that.

00:10:20.080 Did everybody, I mean, I don't want to get into personal stuff for everybody else,

00:10:23.600 but did everybody have that same kind of faith?

00:10:25.860 Did you minister to anybody?

00:10:29.620 We had some discussions about that after we got docked to Space Station, yes.

00:10:33.500 But everybody's at a different place.

00:10:35.460 The Lord has prepared me for that moment over decades.

00:10:38.820 And that's what really, you know, Glenn, the book, Second Space, that you mentioned,

00:10:43.060 I didn't publish the book to sell the book.

00:10:45.260 I published the book because of the message. The message is hope in the now comes in Jesus Christ, our Lord, and hope in eternity comes in Jesus Christ, our Lord.

00:10:54.560 And you can handle situations in the now because Christ has forgiven you of your sins.

00:11:00.480 And it's also a big, huge part about preparation, preparation, preparation.

00:11:04.980 And that's what the message of the book is. You'll see life is tough.

00:11:08.340 And I said it many times, life is tough and you've got to want it. Those are two themes in the book.

00:11:12.360 and and that is the message that's why i publish what does that mean what does that mean you've

00:11:17.740 got to want it whatever it is endeavor that you're you're endeavoring to do you've got to you've got

00:11:23.160 to want it it takes commitment complete commitment i'm glad you asked that question you got to be

00:11:27.640 all in committed and that commitment breeds preparation because the preparation has to be

00:11:33.300 there because in many of our life endeavors we have a great responsibility when you're sitting

00:11:38.240 in the commander seat on the sixth first launch of a human-raided spacecraft in the history of

00:11:43.320 NASA. This was only the six, you know, Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Space Shuttle, Dragon, and then

00:11:48.820 us. There's a great deal of responsibility, and the preparation was immense. I mean, I would go

00:11:54.760 into the simulator with our rendezvous officer on Saturday mornings at six o'clock, just the two of

00:11:58.620 us, the only ones in the whole place, all of NASA, going in there and getting ready and running

00:12:03.160 scenarios and doing different we didn't imagine a scenario like this but the preparation had to be

00:12:08.600 had to be there because the responsibility is so great and those type of life endeavors

00:12:13.580 require that and that's again that's that's the message of the book it's in the book

00:12:17.480 the guys getting in i've thought about them um i mean they're going farther into space than man

00:12:25.500 has ever gone before they're going to be closer to the moon without landing on it than we've ever

00:12:29.860 been before. Um, and I think about all of the things that could go wrong. Uh, what advice would

00:12:40.520 you give that? I mean, they don't need it. They've been up over and over and over again, but

00:12:44.240 it must be, I mean, when you're strapped into that seat and you've got all of that explosive

00:12:51.860 power underneath you. And I always think of it, God forbid, I always think of it,

00:12:56.780 go with throttle up um what advice do you give to people going into space

00:13:03.780 what should we be thinking or praying for yeah well that's that's a great question these

00:13:10.160 individuals are professionals i mean i i know them all well i did a spacewalk with reed weisman

00:13:15.180 back in 2014 so we were outside the space station together uh doing a spacewalk so i know them well

00:13:20.820 victor glover it's hard to put into words i mean you know you're the only people in the whole

00:13:26.180 universe doing that at the moment and the responsibility there and you're in a one-man

00:13:29.900 space capsule shaped like a person out in the vacuum of space it's just and you see Hawaii go

00:13:35.480 by at 17,500 miles an hour below you it's just it's thrilling and there's again responsibility

00:13:41.120 because you're busy you got you got work to do you're not out there to sightsee you're out there

00:13:44.620 to perform tasks so anyway that's what that's like but anyway these these folks are are professional

00:13:49.960 they have done their preparation they are ready to go they're excited about going but if something

00:13:55.520 goes wrong, that's why we train. The ground teams, this is a huge team. This isn't just them.

00:13:59.940 It's the ground teams as well. And honestly, the reason we docked successfully ultimately was,

00:14:05.560 you know, maintaining control of the spacecraft in a very difficult situation. But the ground

00:14:09.240 team's coming up with a plan on the fly to get us safely docked. And that's, you know,

00:14:13.840 that's what we do at NASA. We prepare, we hope and plan for the pristine mission, knowing that

00:14:20.920 things are going to go wrong. This is high-risk business that we're in. And then we're ready to

00:14:25.980 handle those situations when they occur. And thus far, historically, we've been able to do that

00:14:30.740 well. We've had many, many situations that we have been able to rectify on the fly, real time.

00:14:37.200 And there's a couple, as we know, that we've had tragedy has happened. But regrettably,

00:14:42.160 that's part of this business. It can be as difficult as it is. But obviously, you don't

00:14:48.140 go until you think you're fully ready. And I know, I know the people, I know John Blevins,

00:14:52.080 the chief engineer of the space launch system, the rocket, he's ready. I've talked to him just

00:14:56.120 yesterday and, and, and, and they are all prepared. And if any small thing that they think could be a

00:15:01.900 detriment to this mission happens prior to launch, they won't go. And that's just the way we, that's

00:15:06.240 the way we operate. You were up there. We had the capability of going and rescuing you and

00:15:12.000 politics, at least from this vantage point, seemed to play a role in that. I don't know if that's

00:15:17.040 true from your vantage point but when Elon Musk got involved uh that must have been a good day

00:15:24.880 well I would say it like this I don't know all those conversations I can't speak to any of those

00:15:31.300 things that that happened from the political realms as you mentioned but we were prepared

00:15:36.160 in all aspects of spaceflight Sonny and I both had been space station commanders in the past

00:15:41.760 we understood the space station that's one of the reasons we were selected for the position we were

00:15:44.740 in because you just never know and when our stay was extended we were fully fully qualified and

00:15:51.440 prepared to do every single function on the space station including spacewalks which we did and that

00:15:57.380 was because we pushed some of it we certainly did it wasn't just in the system we pushed and said

00:16:01.440 we need to be ready because we just don't know but that's how how we and that that that mantra

00:16:06.840 that's how we roll right we prepare prepare for all contingencies and this one was one of them

00:16:11.140 So when we got extended, there was no reason I wouldn't have sent somebody up to get me, honestly, Glenn, because because we were trained and we were we had the experience.

00:16:21.900 We'd been there before. We understood space station operations and I wouldn't have sent somebody up to get me either.

00:16:26.940 So could they have launched a rocket and spent hundreds of millions of dollars to do that to come get us?

00:16:32.260 Probably could. But there was no need to do that. Just work us into the normal flow.

00:16:35.980 And that's how it played out. So that's why we were there for almost 10 months.

00:16:38.700 And, you know, it's a small price to pay when you're – because to serve your country, especially in this fashion, is a privilege.

00:16:45.180 I know that's what all the four astronauts on board Artemis right now, that's the way they view it.

00:16:49.660 It's a privilege to be in the position they're in, and they're honored to serve in that fashion, and so were we.

00:16:55.760 I got to believe – you know, I talked to Buzz Aldrin.

00:16:58.660 It was my dad's, I think, 70th birthday, and I arranged lunch with the two of us and Buzz Aldrin.

00:17:05.740 and um it was kind of a sad meeting because you know he's never really moved past the walking on

00:17:12.720 the moon and he said it was devastating to come back to earth and knowing you're never going back

00:17:19.240 up here i mean and you're in your 20s and you've just done the greatest thing any man has ever done

00:17:24.820 on earth and so in some ways it must have been kind of nice wow i get to stay up here for an

00:17:30.500 extra year, uh, in some ways. Um, but now that you're, you're out of it, does that play a role

00:17:38.160 in, in you at all of, I'm not going back up because it's a very small club and really super

00:17:44.780 cool. I tell you, it is a small club. It is really super cool, but we're all, you know, when, when I,

00:17:51.480 when I read scripture, Glenn, I see that my purpose of existing is for my Lord's glory.

00:17:56.240 and it ultimately is my good and and that's my focus um i have a a greater hope a much greater

00:18:02.960 hope than spaceflight could ever bring and that's the eternal hope with jesus christ my lord and

00:18:07.220 that that's what drives me and that's my focus yeah i will not be down i've 464 days in space

00:18:12.700 is plenty for me and uh for anyone but uh would i like to go to the moon sure but but yeah but i'm

00:18:18.980 not going to and because i've got a great thank you so much the name of the book stuck in space

00:18:24.700 and astronauts hope throughout the unexpected get it now stuck in space butch thank you so much

00:18:30.540 this is the best of the glenbeck program

00:18:34.260 the president could say we're all going to die in 10 minutes the missiles have been launched

00:18:54.300 and you will be in your head you'll be going don't bang bang thing thing i mean it's gonna

00:19:00.160 happen and i i apologize it's workplace harassment is what it is bring that light to to your day um

00:19:06.940 all right lots of stuff going on we just talked about artemis uh last hour um tonight i feel like

00:19:12.640 i'm i feel like i'm 10 i feel like i'm 10 i'm so excited i'm gonna be there at the launch tonight

00:19:17.620 uh we'll talk about that tomorrow and bring you some amazing stuff if you're a torch insider

00:19:21.840 You're going to get some backs backstage stuff, uh, all throughout the day.

00:19:25.200 We'll be posting it.

00:19:26.200 Uh, the president is going to speak on, I don't know what he says, the Iran war, but

00:19:30.900 it could be, I mean, did you see what he posted yesterday on truth?

00:19:36.640 Uh, I mean, I felt really good, but at the same time, I'm like, wow, I've never seen

00:19:42.380 a president say this, all of those countries I'm quoting the president, all of those countries

00:19:47.160 that can't get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which

00:19:51.780 refuse to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, I have a suggestion for you. Number one,

00:19:57.380 buy from the U.S. We have plenty. Number two, build up some delayed courage. Go to the straight

00:20:03.780 and take it. You'll have to start learning how to fight for yourself. The USA won't be there to help

00:20:09.140 you anymore, just like you weren't there for us. Iran has been essentially decimated. The hard part

00:20:14.820 is done. Now go get your own oil, President Donald J. Trump. Holy cow. Holy cow. Now he has

00:20:22.200 been leading towards this for a very long time. He's been saying it really since his first term.

00:20:27.220 Why are we in NATO? Why are we spending all this money? We don't need to be in NATO.

00:20:32.500 Now tonight he gives his speech at nine o'clock. We don't know what it is. However, we do know that

00:20:39.160 it has something to do with Iran and the rest of the world, because, uh, already the prime

00:20:48.480 minister of England, the prime minister of Australia and the head of the EU have all given

00:20:55.120 a speech. Um, the prime minister of England said, we now know that getting out of the EU is really

00:21:01.360 wrong. We all have to band together. They are preparing, I think for some sort of a America's

00:21:07.860 not going to defend us good good good grow up and protect yourself now the problem is they're not

00:21:17.440 going to have all the money that they you know they still don't have for all of their social

00:21:21.600 programs so they're going to go into real tailspin if that happens but hey that's they're big they're

00:21:27.780 big boys now you know you have to deal with your own problems um they're also saying that this is

00:21:33.560 I mean, Stormer actually, or Starmer actually used the language of this is going to be extraordinarily hard and difficult on a coming energy crisis.

00:21:43.940 So we don't know what's going to happen.

00:21:47.340 But I've been thinking about this for the last few days because I thought about wartime generals.

00:21:55.620 And I think Trump is a wartime president.

00:21:59.500 So what is a wartime general do? It's not a personality thing or just in tone or whatever.

00:22:09.240 It is a cut from a completely different cloth kind of thing. A wartime general operates under

00:22:17.020 the central assumption that we are already in danger. Just make this checklist in your head

00:22:23.760 as I go through this. Is he a wartime president? Does President Trump believe the republic is

00:22:30.960 already in danger? Not hypothetically. Right now, we are in danger. If he does, that assumption

00:22:40.360 changes everything. I believe he thinks we are in danger on multiple fronts, not just Iran

00:22:47.780 you know with the nukes but uh the islamists the 12ers islam taking over western europe the

00:22:54.360 marxists the socialists the anarchists the edu big money foundations of soros corrupt press

00:23:00.480 big tech um the court systems the cia doj the corruption the cartels the illegals the crime

00:23:08.700 war on faith war on the family i mean he thinks we and we are we are at war with all of those things

00:23:16.040 So if he believes that, then that changes a few things.

00:23:20.480 First, now listen to these characteristics that change if you're a wartime general.

00:23:24.940 First one is clarity over consensus.

00:23:28.360 A wartime general does not wait for polling to confirm reality.

00:23:32.940 He acts on what is, not what is popular.

00:23:37.860 Does that not sound like Donald Trump?

00:23:40.820 Speed over process.

00:23:42.960 in war delay kills bureaucracy is not neutral it's lethal in war he also believes or a wartime

00:23:54.180 general also believes outcomes over optics victory matters more than how it looks on cable news

00:24:01.000 does that not explain how what how he's operating right now in this war

00:24:06.280 it's almost as if he doesn't care about the optics he's like this has to be done

00:24:10.540 the other one is enemy identification a wartime general names the threat plainly it's foreign

00:24:20.820 it's domestic uh whatever it is and they do not soften the language to preserve comfort

00:24:27.000 ronald reagan did this just on this is an evil empire donald trump does that with all of it

00:24:32.700 whatever he sees remember his list of we're at war and we are we're at war this is a civilizational

00:24:39.960 war. It is an existential threat. It's gone if we don't pay attention. A wartime general also

00:24:48.640 has tolerance for disruption because they know war rearranges systems. Stability is not the goal.

00:24:56.200 Survival is. And the last characteristic that changes is moral framing. Things stop being so

00:25:04.440 gray some things have to be opposed directly and decisively does that not define who donald trump

00:25:14.200 is because i i think it does i think it does a peacetime is and see if this doesn't sound like

00:25:24.800 barack obama consensus over clarity process over speed optics over outcomes reluctance to name

00:25:32.920 enemies, preference for stability, moral ambiguity. Okay. Now I started looking into this a couple of

00:25:42.040 days ago because I was going to write a, a, a monologue that was about, we have a wartime

00:25:49.460 president and a peacetime GOP because that's what's happening in Congress. They're peacetime

00:25:56.960 GOP. They think that everything's going to be fine. And they're acting as if we're in peace

00:26:02.380 While he's saying we're at war, and you know it, a good portion of this country knows we're at war for our very lives and civilization.

00:26:12.460 But everybody's acting like it's peacetime.

00:26:15.860 Okay.

00:26:18.520 I'm not going there.

00:26:21.600 Because that's not the biggest problem.

00:26:27.400 As I was thinking about it, I thought, okay, has this ever happened in history before?

00:26:30.960 And the first thing that came to mind was, yeah, Churchill.

00:26:33.420 Churchill was a wartime leader.

00:26:37.180 And he was preaching about Hitler long before anybody wanted to hear it.

00:26:42.800 I mean, 1938, they didn't even want to hear it.

00:26:45.100 They didn't really want to hear that from him until 1940.

00:26:49.000 Churchill was not the leader.

00:26:51.000 In fact, they kicked him out.

00:26:52.360 His own party rejected him.

00:26:54.720 And Breton was led by Neville Chamberlain, who was a peacetime leader.

00:27:00.380 Okay. He believed that war could be avoided. He trusted the negotiation agreements. Um, and he was a reflection of the exhausted public from the last war. Does any of this sound familiar? England was exhausted and did not want to go in because they were exhausted by world war one. They didn't want to do it again. They said, look what happened. So when Churchill started to say war, nobody wanted to go.

00:27:30.380 So Neville Chamberlain was sent over to meet with Hitler, and they came up with a Munich agreement, and peace was preserved.

00:27:41.920 There will be peace in our time.

00:27:43.560 This is Obama and Biden dealing with Iran.

00:27:48.040 Churchill, however, saw something different.

00:27:50.520 He said Hitler was not a negotiator in a normal sense.

00:27:55.220 This guy is not negotiating.

00:27:56.720 he is using our fear of the fight and he's flattering us and saying enough things right

00:28:03.920 to delay our entrance into the war in europe he is going to use this delay does that not sound

00:28:11.360 also like iran the delay was not neutral churchill knew its strength in germany the war was not

00:28:20.720 coming someday it was already underway in spirit and intent and i don't care what podcasters tell

00:28:26.360 you? You don't have to believe me. Take a journey with me to our vault in our American Journey

00:28:31.000 Experience Museum. In the vault, we have a copy of the German battle plans outlining the war with

00:28:36.980 Poland. It was planned. It was printed. It was distributed to the highest of generals as top

00:28:42.880 secret classified. And it showed every bridge, every move they were going to make when they

00:28:49.740 took Poland. And it was written before Hitler and Chamberlain were meeting, where he was like,

00:28:55.060 I want you to know we have no design on Poland. Poland is not a target. Yes, it was. He had

00:29:01.300 already distributed the battle plans. The problem was that the English public didn't accept Churchill's

00:29:07.560 view until it was undeniable. And that moment was the battle of Britain and the Blitz.

00:29:15.040 Bombs have a way of clarifying a philosophy.

00:29:18.200 so what happens when a president is wartime and the public is not because that's where we are

00:29:28.720 well it creates a very dangerous lag it's a misalignment between the leadership's perception

00:29:35.820 of the threat and the public's willingness to accept the cost of that

00:29:40.760 i mean donald trump just gave a press conference yesterday where he said where the reporter said

00:29:46.760 it's $4 a gallon of gas. And he said, yes, and there's no nuclear threat. And they said, but

00:29:50.920 it's $4 a gallon of gas. Yes. And you're not going to be vaporized. That's the disconnect.

00:29:56.200 He's looking at it as this was a threat. I have to take care of that first. This gap

00:30:02.980 always happens the same way. It produces four predictable effects. First, the trust begins to

00:30:10.980 fracture. The public begins to think this is exaggerated. This didn't happen. We're being

00:30:17.260 dragged into something. Sound familiar? His own base is saying this right now. Meanwhile,

00:30:23.760 the leadership is thinking you don't understand the stakes. Both sides lose confidence in the

00:30:30.660 other. Very dangerous. The second thing that happens is political isolation of the leader.

00:30:36.880 Even if the leader is right about the threat, the institutions resist, right?

00:30:42.620 You see that happening?

00:30:44.220 Allies are hesitating.

00:30:45.640 Hello?

00:30:46.780 Media fragments all of the narrative.

00:30:50.160 This is exactly what happened to Churchill prior to 1940.

00:30:53.680 He was an alarmist.

00:30:54.660 He was reckless.

00:30:55.480 He was out of his mind.

00:30:56.560 He was dangerous.

00:30:58.700 Third thing that happens, delayed mobilization, because a peacetime public does not sacrifice

00:31:05.500 easily.

00:31:06.400 They do not accept shortages.

00:31:08.820 They do not tolerate casualties.

00:31:11.200 They don't want to reorient their daily life.

00:31:14.000 So the nation responds too slowly, and in war, time is not neutral.

00:31:21.340 The fourth thing that always happens is eventually reality shocks,

00:31:28.760 and it forces the alignment if you can get all the players still in the same place.

00:31:33.760 there's an attack, there's an economic collapse, there's visible escalation. In Britain, it took

00:31:39.820 the bombing of London. It took the Blitz. In the U.S., during World War II, it took an attack on

00:31:45.560 Pearl Harbor. We have been here before. This is exactly what happened with Pearl Harbor, and

00:31:49.540 nobody wanted to go to war in World War II. Nobody wanted to fight the Germans.

00:31:54.320 Until something that shock happens, large parts of the public resist the wartime frame.

00:31:59.540 That's why the Green-Red Alliance is not blowing buildings up yet.

00:32:07.040 They don't want that shock to happen because that brings us all together.

00:32:13.000 Now, here's the part people forget about Churchill.

00:32:16.400 Churchill was a Nobel Prize winning laureate.

00:32:22.800 I mean, he was a beautiful writer.

00:32:25.060 He did something that very few can do.

00:32:29.540 He translated reality into the language the public could eventually accept.

00:32:34.640 Remember, he was the guy who said, we shall fight on the beaches.

00:32:37.780 It's our finest hour.

00:32:39.020 He didn't just describe the war.

00:32:41.560 He brought the public into it psychologically, morally, emotionally.

00:32:47.720 And that's the second half of wartime leadership.

00:32:53.920 Do we have that?

00:32:55.360 Do we have anyone telling the tale in a way that is actually waking people up and bringing them into this emotionally, intellectually, spiritually?

00:33:08.680 Do we have anybody?

00:33:10.280 I think he's kind of alone on this island expecting us to get it, and I'm not sure we are.

00:33:16.800 So does that lead us to any place good?

00:33:20.280 Well, there's a danger zone, a closing window.

00:33:23.680 If this happens and we don't fix this, we don't realign either him or us.

00:33:29.280 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:33:33.980 My friend, Hugh Ross, astrophysicist, reasons to believe founder and senior scholar and author of a new book out, Noah's Flood Revisited.

00:33:44.500 Hello, Hugh. How are you?

00:33:46.040 Doing well. Thank you.

00:33:48.440 You bet.

00:33:48.800 Um, so can I start with just space for a second?

00:33:52.440 Yesterday, uh, I had a lot of, I had a lot of people push back and say, Glenn, space

00:33:57.760 is a waste of money.

00:33:58.880 And it is, uh, it's our tower of Babel trying to make ourselves look so great.

00:34:04.160 I don't look at it that way.

00:34:05.560 I, I look at it from the view of an explorer and I believe God wants us to explore.

00:34:11.620 How do you feel about that?

00:34:12.780 Yeah, he, yeah, he made us curious.

00:34:14.880 I mean, we're unique amongst all life on planet Earth, and we're curious about everything.

00:34:21.220 I mean, my dog doesn't care about the galaxies around us, but we do.

00:34:25.440 We want to know what's beyond the universe.

00:34:27.960 So I think God gave us a curiosity for a reason.

00:34:32.040 He really does want us to explore.

00:34:34.540 But I think he also wants us to do it in the most efficient and effective way possible.

00:34:41.200 So a lot of people—and maybe you can help on this—

00:34:44.860 of people say we never even went to the moon the first time i find that amazing but people actually

00:34:50.860 believe it and they say you know it's because this radiation belt we can't get through the

00:34:54.200 radiation belt and all this stuff um did we go to the moon and does it matter i actually got to

00:35:01.060 watch the moon landing live on television uh when i was much younger and what really thrilled me was

00:35:07.880 watching Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong putting up a laser reflector.

00:35:13.760 There's now three laser reflectors on the moon.

00:35:17.380 Physicists beam laser beams off them every single day.

00:35:21.480 And it's because of those laser reflectors that the Apollo astronauts put on the moon

00:35:26.120 that we're able to test theories of gravity to a degree we've never been able to do before.

00:35:32.200 So somebody put those laser reflectors there.

00:35:37.880 Well, probably aliens, Hugh, I'm just saying. It's very frustrating because there is evidence like the laser reflectors.

00:35:49.360 For example, even the vehicles left behind by the astronauts are still there, and they're being photographed on a regular basis.

00:35:56.660 so um we're going out on artemis today uh and this is to prove that we can live in space it is to

00:36:09.500 totally change the the economy and the way we explore and go to you know mars etc etc

00:36:18.580 um yet we still have we're making such advances and yet we have not explored inner space nearly

00:36:26.380 enough and we are fighting over things like we never went to moon in the first place

00:36:31.660 and when i look at the the thing about you know we never went to the moon

00:36:35.980 it's the same kind of argument just with a lot more distance to it that there was no flood and

00:36:44.620 your book noah's flood revisited you are saying you can prove this that there was a flood

00:36:52.600 well the bible tells us that the flood lasted 375 days you know liquid water flows out of the ocean

00:37:03.200 fairly quickly there had to be a lot of melting ice and snow for the flood to last that long

00:37:09.980 and during the previous ice age there were seven really big melt events so i think one of those

00:37:16.840 melt events explains why the flood lasted that long, but it also puts the flood early enough

00:37:23.360 in human history that the flood can wipe out the entire world of humanity and all their animals

00:37:29.660 without being global. And that's the number one reason why people reject the biblical account.

00:37:35.540 They think it's speaking about a global flood. Rather, it's speaking about a worldwide flood.

00:37:40.600 The world of humanity was wiped out. But if you have the event early enough,

00:37:45.540 the world of humanity as a local region. I mean, there weren't humans in North and South America

00:37:51.460 until 16,500 years ago. And likewise, Australia wasn't settled until 40,000 to 50,000 years ago.

00:38:01.140 The big major melt events were 47,000 to 85,000 years ago. So I make the argument, in fact,

00:38:07.620 I waited to bring the book out until we really had solid data confirming the events of Genesis

00:38:14.140 10 and 11. And if you can nail down the dates for that, you've got a good idea of the date for Noah's

00:38:20.420 flood. How did you nail down the dates? Well, Genesis 10 and 11 speak about the great scatterings

00:38:28.860 of humanity. I mean, Genesis 11, we see that humanity is repeating the mistake of what happened

00:38:36.240 before the flood. They were staying in one region, disobeying God's command to multiply and fill the

00:38:43.060 earth and even built a city in a huge tower so they would not be scattered over the face of the

00:38:49.260 earth. And God knew that was a prescription for runaway evil. His plan all along was there'd be

00:38:55.680 multiple nations that would have to compete with one another for citizens, which would act as a

00:39:01.600 check against a government oppressing its citizens. You know, if one nation oppresses too much,

00:39:07.360 they get up and leave and go to another nation. And so God forcibly scattered humanity over the

00:39:13.300 face of the earth. And now we got four methods that enable us to give accurate dates for when

00:39:19.980 those happened. The remains of humans, their artifacts, evidence for when they were cooking,

00:39:27.500 because humans can't survive unless they're cooking and preparing their food. And then the

00:39:32.960 genetic models, and they all come in with consistent dates from when those events happened.

00:39:40.940 So, I don't know, I've talked to rabbis before, and in the oral tradition, the Tower of Babel,

00:39:53.380 there's different facets of God, if you will. There's the angry, vengeful God, there is the

00:39:59.160 kind, merciful God. And the one that shows up at the Tower of Babel and scatters is not the angry

00:40:06.540 God. It is the merciful God, knowing that if they can do this, they can do anything. So he is having

00:40:13.280 mercy on us by scattering people and changing their language. Is that the same view of Noah,

00:40:21.620 that it's actually a mercy mission?

00:40:25.800 Absolutely, because, you know, humans before the flood had the potential to live past 900 years.

00:40:34.340 And it tells us that Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters besides Cain, Abel, and Seth.

00:40:41.440 I mean, at a minimum, they were having 120 children, and all the rest of the couples likewise.

00:40:48.040 So when God told Adam, multiply and fill the earth, he could have done it in his own lifespan.

00:40:54.260 What stopped that from happening is what we see in Genesis 4.

00:40:58.640 Murder began to run out of control.

00:41:01.040 And so I've calculated in my book, Navigating Genesis, that the murder rate in the days before the flood was above 90%.

00:41:09.640 In other words, at least 9 out of 10 people died as a result of being murdered by their fellow man.

00:41:17.060 Humanity was literally in danger of self-extermination.

00:41:21.320 So God stepped in and prevented humanity from wiping itself out.

00:41:27.780 I have a guest on, I think on Friday, who has done extensive scientific work with some of the best scientific minds, not all believers, on the evidence of Jesus, his life, his death, and his resurrection.

00:41:42.320 That's coming up on Friday's show.

00:41:43.660 And you've kind of done this, I mean, really throughout the Bible, not just Noah.

00:41:48.360 I mean, you have used science to show Book of Genesis is true.

00:41:53.680 It is the best scientific explanation, if you look at it this way, of what is true about life and the way we were created and everything else.

00:42:03.320 Is there something happening, Hugh, that we are moving more rapidly towards being able to prove things that we've never been able to prove before?

00:42:19.880 Well, what thrills me as a research scientist is that the more we learn about science, the more and more evidence we gain that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God.

00:42:30.680 So, for example, you have Genesis 1 describing 10 different events of creation, tells us what the chronological order is, gives us details.

00:42:42.640 The book of Job puts in more details as does Psalm 104 and Proverbs 8.

00:42:49.120 But what I've noticed is that it tells us that on day four, you have the atmosphere going from a thick haze to being transparent.

00:43:00.680 And just back in 2018, a team of physicists did an experiment where they took a huge flask filled it with a known constituent source atmosphere and then began with no oxygen, then gradually increased the oxygen.

00:43:18.140 And when the oxygen hit 8%, the atmosphere in the flask cleared.

00:43:23.060 You could see through it.

00:43:25.140 And likewise, when you have the oxygen in the atmosphere going up to 8%,

00:43:30.700 that's the moment we have large animals appearing on the face of the Earth.

00:43:35.460 Those animals need to see the sun, moon, and stars in the sky

00:43:39.360 in order to regulate their biological clocks.

00:43:42.880 So that's just one example of how a scientific experiment

00:43:46.320 gave us more evidence that the Bible got everything right.

00:43:50.620 Because you and I did a, I mean, we probably spent 90 minutes together

00:43:53.780 and we did a podcast and it was one of the most fascinating podcasts I've ever done.

00:43:58.380 And, and you, you made the case that it's not just that it's right scientifically, it

00:44:05.100 is right.

00:44:06.240 It's in the right order.

00:44:07.740 If you don't have these things in the right order scientifically, it can't happen.

00:44:14.880 Yes.

00:44:15.780 It's not just that the descriptions are correct.

00:44:18.640 Everything is in the correct chronological sequence.

00:44:21.400 Now, I do get pushback from my atheist peers who say, wait a minute, if you look at it from the perspective of God up in the heavens, everything is in the wrong order.

00:44:33.700 I say, yeah, but that's not the frame of reference.

00:44:36.880 Genesis 1-2 tells us that the Spirit of God is hovering over the surface of the waters of the primordial earth, below the clouds, not above the clouds.

00:44:48.280 And from that frame of reference, the 10 events of creation are all in the correct chronological sequence.

00:44:54.720 I saw that at age 17.

00:44:57.240 That was my first clue that this book, the Bible, was different from all the other holy books, that it got all the science right.

00:45:05.500 And that's what motivated me to say, I got to read through the rest of the book.

00:45:09.440 It took me 18 months to get to Revelation 22.

00:45:13.120 But when I got there, I realized every time the Bible speaks about something scientific, it gets the science right.

00:45:20.860 And often it does so thousands of years ahead of scientists making the actual discoveries.

00:45:28.500 Is there anything that you feel compelled that people must know?

00:45:32.800 well i think what really impressed me as a young astrophysics student was the bible actually

00:45:40.640 predicting for the fundamental features of what we call a big bang creation model and not until

00:45:47.920 the 20th century to any astronomer have a clue that the universe had those characteristics

00:45:53.220 and it's not just me reading this into the bible with my 21st century hindsight jewish theologians

00:46:01.220 writing 800 900 a thousand years ago saw the bible making these statements about the universe

00:46:07.820 and they declared the universe must have these features the 20th century we discovered that

00:46:14.140 indeed the universe has a beginning a space-time beginning with laws of physics that don't change

00:46:20.340 where the universe expands from a cosmic creation event and gets progressively colder

00:46:26.800 All that was in the Old Testament.

00:46:29.860 Hugh, he's an astrophysicist, reasons to believe founder, senior scholar, author of the book Noah's Flood Revisited.

00:46:39.000 Hugh, a lot of people are looking at the world today, and they're looking for signs.

00:46:46.520 I haven't looked up what that, that one comet that is supposedly shooting towards the sun and then coming around and maybe we can see it this, uh, if it survives the sun, we can see a trail of million or tail a million miles long, something like that.

00:47:02.300 Do you know anything about that comment?

00:47:03.920 And did it make it through the sun?

00:47:06.240 I don't know.

00:47:07.440 Uh, but I've seen some really spectacular comets in my lifetime.

00:47:12.400 I remember seeing one in my graduate school days.

00:47:15.900 It was as big as the moon in the sky, and the tail went back 40 degrees.

00:47:21.280 So yeah, if it survives, maybe we'll get a really spectacular sight.

00:47:26.780 So people are saying that, you know, look for signs, look for signs, because there is this feeling, even in Islam, that we're headed for something biblical.

00:47:38.980 Do you feel that? Are there signs that we should be looking for?

00:47:43.720 well heavens yeah jesus told his disciples that he would return the moment that his followers

00:47:53.340 take the good news of salvation through jesus christ to all the people groups of the world

00:47:59.200 and make significant number of disciples amongst all those people groups so i'm not waiting for

00:48:06.460 the lord to return i'm waiting for his people to finish the task that he assigned to them

00:48:11.980 And I had Ralph Winter, the founder of the U.S. Center for World Mission, in my Sunday class for a number of years.

00:48:20.460 And he wrote a book making the point that Christians today have the wealth, the technology, and the people to complete that commission that Jesus gave us in just one decade.

00:48:32.480 All we lack is the motivation.

00:48:34.720 So my passion is to try to motivate people.

00:48:39.320 Let's get the job done.

00:48:40.580 because hey this universe is a wonderful place but god has promised to take us to a new creation

00:48:46.860 where it's unbelievably more rewarding and fulfilling than the universe in which we live

00:48:52.980 so let's get there q always great to talk to you thank you so much um we'll have to post our

00:49:00.060 podcast at glenbeck.com because it's a fascinating podcast and grab his book noah's flood revisited

00:49:06.140 Noah's Flood revisited. He is a fascinating guy.

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