The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Cam Edwards, Alan Dershowitz, Jon Miller, Steve Deace & Burgess Owens ｜ 1⧸20⧸30

00:00:00.000 Hey, it's Monday's podcast. Great one. We start with Martin Luther King Day, and I thought it was appropriate that people are voicing their opinion on their rights in Virginia with a big gun rally.

00:00:11.600 We have several people talking about that today. Also, Alan Dershowitz, who is now on the Trump team, the impeachment trial.

00:00:18.300 He explains what the media is complaining about. Also, your rights, for instance, gun rights.

00:00:23.660 I try to explain this to the media and the left of exactly how we feel, but I turned it around on something that would matter to them.

00:00:33.700 Steve Dace talks about the Iowa caucus. Burgess Owens is with us.

00:00:37.960 And how much trouble am I in when Tanya finally gets home after a week away?

00:00:44.120 We have Cam Edwards on now. He's the host of Bearing Arms, Cam and Company, and co-host of 40 Acres and a Fool.

00:01:04.900 It can be heard here on Blaze Radio and TV Network. Just go to blazetv.com and sign up now.

00:01:12.280 Cam is in Virginia, and he's actually at the state capitol, where they have just started screening people for security to be able to get in.

00:01:21.560 He's also going to be speaking today in front of the capitol. Welcome to the program, Cam. How are you?

00:01:28.500 I'm good, Glenn. Thanks so much for having me back.

00:01:30.600 So, when I was in Israel, and I was doing a big project over there called Restoring Courage, the State Department was very well aware, and George Soros was very aware of what we were doing.

00:01:43.380 And they did everything they could to discourage people from coming.

00:01:47.760 The State Department actually issued the day of.

00:01:51.420 All Americans should not be anywhere near the Temple Mount because of security on that day.

00:01:58.020 I feel like the same thing is being done in Virginia.

00:02:02.420 Is there a real sense of foreboding and danger there, or do you think this is hype?

00:02:08.100 You know, honestly, Glenn, I've got to tell you, I mean, there are tens of thousands of Virginians that are downtown right now.

00:02:15.440 And the mood here is not one of fear and foreboding.

00:02:19.100 You've got a lot of folks with smiles on their faces.

00:02:21.360 They're energized to see their fellow gun owners.

00:02:23.940 I talked with folks from Lebanon, Virginia, which is about a six-hour drive from Richmond.

00:02:28.120 They headed out last night and arrived.

00:02:30.320 There are folks coming in from all across the state and really even, you know, all across the country.

00:02:34.940 I talked to the gentleman who drove up from North Carolina, not to start any trouble, but because he wanted to stand with Virginians in support of their Second Amendment rights.

00:02:41.800 And, you know, so far, that is what we have seen here.

00:02:44.880 There are several thousand people on the grounds of the state capitol.

00:02:48.040 There are far more surrounding the state capitol outside of that security perimeter.

00:02:53.320 But everybody has been peaceful.

00:02:55.300 Everybody has been calm.

00:02:57.180 And everybody is hoping to send that message to Governor Ralph Northam that his gun control agenda is a huge mistake.

00:03:05.100 And Virginians want no part of it.

00:03:07.260 So, Cam, you say there's a lot more people outside of the security perimeter.

00:03:11.940 Are they coming in?

00:03:13.340 Are they out because they are carrying weapons?

00:03:18.060 Tell me what's a mix of both.

00:03:21.400 There is a long line to get in.

00:03:23.900 There is one entrance into the capitol.

00:03:25.820 There are multiple magnetometers set up by the capitol police.

00:03:29.820 The folks are being screened as they go in.

00:03:31.400 And there is a steady stream of folks coming in.

00:03:34.000 But, yes, outside of that perimeter, there are a lot of folks who are carrying, either concealed.

00:03:39.220 I have seen a number of folks who are open carrying rifles.

00:03:42.820 You know, Glenn, it's a very broad crowd.

00:03:46.740 I mean, you've got moms and dads who are here with their kids.

00:03:49.500 You've got folks who are, you know, up in their militia outfits.

00:03:53.840 You've got, you know, black, white, young, old. 0.98

00:03:56.540 It really is a cross-section of Virginia.

00:03:59.320 But everybody is getting along, and I think everybody is here.

00:04:02.180 I believe the vast majority of the folks here are here for that one purpose, to lobby lawmakers, to oppose what Ralph Northam is trying to do.

00:04:11.880 Cam, thank you very much.

00:04:13.220 I appreciate it.

00:04:13.740 We'll check in with you later.

00:04:15.120 We're host of Bearing Arms, Cam & Company, and 40 Acres and a Fool heard on Blaze TV.

00:04:21.560 Thank you so much.

00:04:22.620 Appreciate it, Cam.

00:04:23.320 Hey, it's Glenn, and you're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

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00:04:44.920 He absolutely is entitled to the best constitutional defense he can get.

00:04:50.260 What he's not entitled to is Alan pretending like he's some sort of neutral observer instead of what he is, which is Donald Trump's lawyer.

00:04:59.560 For some reason, you don't want to admit that, and that's up to you, but you are pretending that there is some sort of perfect constitutional sweet spot.

00:05:11.120 It doesn't have to be a crime, but it can't be simply being a bad president.

00:05:16.880 That there is some magical area in there that is an impeachable offense, and I think, straightforwardly, that abuse of power, the framers recognized it.

00:05:27.880 That's what's the issue in this case, and the senators are perfectly capable of determining whether what the president did is a violation of his own.

00:05:37.280 Alan Dershowitz is here, and I want to ask you, Alan, maybe I've missed this, but they're not accusing him of abuse of power, are they?

00:05:45.660 They're saying that he refused to acquiesce to Congress.

00:05:53.160 Well, there are two articles of impeachment.

00:05:55.620 The second is obstruction of Congress, and that's just a false accusation.

00:06:00.680 It's a separate branch.

00:06:02.660 It's a separate branch.

00:06:04.060 The president's entitled to leave it to the courts to decide whether or not members of the executive have to comply with subpoenas, but they do also charge him in the Ukraine matter with abuse of power.

00:06:14.920 But abuse of power was discussed by the framers.

00:06:17.380 It was given as a reason why we should have impeachment in the Constitution at all.

00:06:22.920 But then when it came to coming up with criteria for impeachment, the framers refused to include abuse of power because it was too broad, too open-ended.

00:06:31.860 And in the words of James Madison, who's the father of our Constitution, would leave presidents to serve at the will of Congress.

00:06:39.560 And that's exactly what the framers didn't want, which is why they were very specific and said a president can be impeached only for treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

00:06:51.240 Misdemeanors are crimes.

00:06:52.860 And according to Blackstone, whose book was the most influential one at the time, a misdemeanor is a species of crime.

00:06:59.920 We think of it now like jaywalking, but that's not what it was meant at the time.

00:07:05.220 No, misdemeanor.

00:07:06.480 In fact, at common law, there was such a thing as a capital misdemeanor.

00:07:10.380 A person could be executed.

00:07:12.340 For example, if somebody shot the king's deer in the king's park, that would be regarded as a misdemeanor, but he could lose his head over it.

00:07:21.380 It's just that his blood wouldn't be attainted, his family wouldn't be suffering, but because it wasn't a felony, but the misdemeanors could be very, very serious.

00:07:31.260 They also included things like maladministration, but the frame is explicitly rejected.

00:07:37.200 There was actually a vote on maladministration, and it went down, I think, nine to two or something like that.

00:07:44.360 And then the person who offered that amendment withdrew it and substituted high crimes and misdemeanors.

00:07:50.560 I've now read, I think, every word of every framer debating impeachment, and I've also, of course, read the Federalist Papers, and I've read the statements made by the lawyers in the trial of Andrew Johnson.

00:08:04.280 And I think I'm pretty well prepared to help inform the senators.

00:08:09.120 Jeffrey Toobin seems to think somehow it's a sin for me to be presenting my case to the Senate because I'm not involved in every aspect of the –

00:08:20.560 of the trial.

00:08:22.340 Very often I come into a case as of counsel on the constitutional issues, and I don't get involved in the day-to-day issues in the case, but I just present on the constitutional issues.

00:08:34.120 And that's precisely what I'm doing in this case.

00:08:36.240 It's consistent with what I've done in many, many other prior cases.

00:08:40.060 And there's nothing unusual about it, but people don't want to address my arguments on the merits.

00:08:46.260 What they want to do is attack me personally, and that's what's happened in this country.

00:08:50.240 Everything's become a personal attack.

00:08:51.940 People won't talk to me.

00:08:53.420 People won't engage with me because they think I'm representing the devil, and I'm the devil's advocate.

00:08:59.500 And you are still a liberal Democrat.

00:09:03.400 A liberal Democrat.

00:09:04.960 Right.

00:09:05.480 I mean, it's crazy.

00:09:07.940 All right.

00:09:08.340 Let me ask you on abuse of power.

00:09:11.200 If they're charging abuse of power in the Ukraine, they're saying basically that he was trying to withhold money, et cetera, et cetera.

00:09:21.240 But how can you prove that without going into what the president was concerned about on the abuse of the Ukrainians through the State Department, you know, through our embassy in 2016, and also the use of our money being laundered and shipped back to Hunter Biden?

00:09:47.200 How can you possibly make this case without going into what the president said, I need you to look into these things?

00:09:57.360 Well, I think there's a fair point to that.

00:09:59.780 And if witnesses are called by the Democrats, obviously witnesses will have to be called by the Republicans.

00:10:05.160 And one of the issues will be when the president said on the telephone call to the president of Ukraine, I need you to look into whether or not there was an investigation.

00:10:16.400 Of Hunter Biden, we have to see.

00:10:20.220 Because remember, we do have a conversation between Joe Biden, who I like and I've known for many, many years.

00:10:28.560 But there is that conversation, which he said he told the Ukrainians that unless they fire the prosecutor within six hours, the money will be withheld.

00:10:36.760 Now, the question is, was that prosecutor corrupt?

00:10:39.540 Should he have been fired?

00:10:40.960 Was he looking into Hunter Biden?

00:10:43.560 Was that abuse of power?

00:10:44.820 That will have to come up.

00:10:46.180 Right.

00:10:46.840 And that will have to be – look, I don't think abuse of power is a constitutionally impeachable offense, regardless of who does it.

00:10:54.180 I don't distinguish between Democrats and Republicans.

00:10:56.840 But I think that all these things would have to be looked at, and the trial would be interminable.

00:11:02.200 It would take forever if a witness is a call.

00:11:04.920 But if that's what the Senate wants, excuse me, they have the authority to do it because they make the decisions.

00:11:11.700 So wouldn't abuse of power be like what Nixon was doing, using federal agencies for his own – wouldn't abuse of power be Barack Obama with the IRS or his administration with the IRS?

00:11:27.420 Well, with Nixon, he committed crimes.

00:11:30.600 At least he was accused of committing crimes.

00:11:32.300 That is, paying hush money to witnesses.

00:11:35.880 He was accused of telling his associates to lie to the FBI, of erasing a tape.

00:11:41.260 All of those would be criminal if they could be proved, whereas what's alleged against President Trump is not criminal.

00:11:48.860 If they had criminal issues to allege, you could be sure they would have done it.

00:11:53.560 If they could establish bribery or treason, they would have done it, but they didn't.

00:11:58.720 They instead used this concept of abuse of power, which is so broad and general, that any president could – as you say, any president could be charged with it.

00:12:08.300 So is it accurate to describe the impeachment – because I don't think a lot of people even understand how this works – but on a very surface level, that what the House did is almost like a grand jury.

00:12:25.820 That's right.

00:12:26.340 And then it's passed over to the Senate.

00:12:28.440 Now, can they continue to add new things, for instance, this Lev Parnas stuff, which I find interesting at best, but they – can they continue to evolve the charges?

00:12:44.900 Well, they can add new evidence of the original charges, but they can't add new charges without going through the impeachment process in the House.

00:12:57.300 And, you know, that's – so Lev Parnas would be a hard case because to the extent he's alleging something different, that may require going back to the House.

00:13:06.640 To the extent that he's simply allegedly adding evidence to what's already been charged, then it probably wouldn't have to go back to the House.

00:13:13.700 But, you know, these are issues that would have to be determined by the House and the Senate because the Constitution doesn't lay out the procedures.

00:13:20.860 It just says the House shall be the sole judge of impeachment and the Senate shall be the sole judge of conviction or acquittal.

00:13:27.460 And what is the role of the chief justice?

00:13:31.520 No one knows.

00:13:33.420 It's more than symbolic.

00:13:34.700 I mean, he's put there only in case of presidential impeachments.

00:13:39.140 Now, you can argue one of the reasons he's there is because the president pro temp of the Senate is in the line of succession of the president, so he shouldn't be there.

00:13:49.900 But I think there's another reason.

00:13:50.880 I think they wanted to add a judicial element to so important a job as removing a duly elected president.

00:13:57.060 So I think the chief justice has some role to play, but what exactly it is, nobody's sure.

00:14:03.440 What are the things that we should be watching for, Alan, from both sides?

00:14:08.840 What are the things that will show us one way or another which way this is going?

00:14:13.200 Well, I think the questions from the senators and the questions from the House managers, I'm looking forward to those questions already.

00:14:22.020 The media and some of the media, particularly in the hard left media, are predicting that I will be devastated by the questions.

00:14:28.540 I assure you I'm going to be very well prepared for any question that's asked me.

00:14:33.420 I've argued 250 appeals over a 50-year period.

00:14:36.780 I've never been asked a question during that period of time that I wasn't prepared for, and I intend to be prepared for the questions here.

00:14:44.180 Whether my answer is suffice or not is going to be up to the senators, but I will be prepared.

00:14:48.300 So are you going to be testifying, or are you going to be advising because you're not?

00:14:53.620 No, I'm going to be arguing.

00:14:54.860 Arguing.

00:14:55.220 I'm going to be making the argument on the constitutional issue.

00:14:57.580 I'm going to be presenting to the Senate an argument as to why the Constitution doesn't permit the conviction of Donald Trump based on these two articles of impeachment.

00:15:07.340 And is this.

00:15:08.100 Of counsel on the constitutional issue.

00:15:09.960 Is this much different than the role you played with O.J. Simpson, where you, if I remember right, you had a specific part of the trial you were taking on, right?

00:15:21.180 So is there any difference?

00:15:22.160 That's exactly right.

00:15:22.460 I hadn't thought about that.

00:15:23.440 That's exactly an analogy.

00:15:24.880 In the O.J. Simpson case, I came in and made arguments, specifically arguments that related to the appeal.

00:15:33.580 Somebody on CNN yesterday compared me to a special teams player in the Super Bowl.

00:15:40.300 That's a fair point.

00:15:41.660 I mean, I'm going to come in and maybe kick the extra point or kick the field goal that hopefully wins the game.

00:15:47.380 How do you feel about the team that the president has assembled?

00:15:52.520 And if you've had any kind of look into what they're doing, do you feel confident that they they are going to be prepared?

00:16:01.680 It's a team of excellent, excellent lawyers.

00:16:05.200 Pat Cipollone is a first rate lawyer.

00:16:07.740 So is Jay Sekulow.

00:16:09.760 And, of course, Ken Starr, Pam Bondi.

00:16:14.140 The rest of the lawyers I really don't know, but I have a high level of confidence in the lawyers that I know.

00:16:19.740 Wasn't Ken Starr, Stu, wasn't he?

00:16:22.820 I mean, I thought he was making statements against Donald Trump this whole time.

00:16:29.140 He was making statements against Bill Clinton.

00:16:31.380 He was the chief prosecutor of the special counsel.

00:16:34.100 No, I remember.

00:16:35.300 Yeah, I remember that.

00:16:36.160 But I think recently.

00:16:37.340 I don't remember him.

00:16:38.080 I don't remember that.

00:16:39.120 Yeah.

00:16:39.340 OK.

00:16:39.720 All right.

00:16:40.160 Could be wrong.

00:16:41.300 Alan, thank you so much.

00:16:42.680 And best of luck.

00:16:43.620 When will we be seeing you?

00:16:46.060 Probably Friday, but we can't be sure of the schedule.

00:16:48.240 We'll know better tomorrow.

00:16:49.480 OK.

00:16:49.900 Thank you so much.

00:16:50.840 Appreciate it.

00:16:51.340 Take care.

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00:17:29.520 All right.

00:17:29.940 We we're going to take you to John Miller, who does the White House brief on Blaze TV.

00:17:34.960 And John is on the ground now in Virginia.

00:17:39.380 John, the brief talk of this was it's going to be the most dangerous place on the planet.

00:17:50.320 How's it shaping up here in Virginia?

00:17:52.240 Yeah, well, you know, if this is the most dangerous thing on the planet, then, you know, I I'm at a loss because we're right here at the perimeter.

00:17:58.920 And, you know, beyond this line to beyond this point.

00:18:03.080 And I don't know how much you can hear, Glenn.

00:18:04.400 People are chanting USA in the background.

00:18:06.760 They're chanting resign route.

00:18:08.760 They're chanting a number of things.

00:18:09.760 But the further you go, once you cross that line, you're not allowed to carry.

00:18:13.760 So a number of people have made a point of carrying.

00:18:16.500 Virginia, remember, is an open carry state.

00:18:18.180 And they've made a point of carrying to show that they are safer outside of the perimeter where they don't allow guns than they would be inside of that line.

00:18:27.740 And how many people are inside versus outside?

00:18:32.900 In the thousands, we're still we're still trying to get a count, an exact count.

00:18:36.640 But it's already packed.

00:18:37.720 The rally is not a rally.

00:18:39.280 I should start calling it that because it really is just lobby day, which happens in Virginia every year.

00:18:43.540 They've been doing it for 18 years.

00:18:45.300 And and it's already packed.

00:18:47.580 It's supposed to start at 11, but they had to start letting people in at eight.

00:18:50.520 So it's clear that this is something that that matters a lot to people.

00:18:55.000 And we're still just trying to get a headcount on numbers.

00:18:58.680 So, so, John, helping out and looking at the pictures of it, it is incredible how many people are there.

00:19:06.520 But talk to me a little bit about the lobbying day.

00:19:12.100 This has been in place for 18 years.

00:19:14.360 This is the first time, I think, that they've ever had anything like this.

00:19:19.840 And the Democrats just freaked out.

00:19:24.200 Explain what lobbying day is.

00:19:26.040 Well, they come every year and basically you go to the Capitol and they have meetings where you basically discuss legislation.

00:19:35.780 And it's essentially to boil it down as a way for Virginians to actually get their voices to be heard.

00:19:40.260 This year, because of the anti-gun legislation, red red flag laws, basically clamping down on on the kinds of weapons that you can have because of that, it reached a boiling point.

00:19:54.080 And like you said, the Democrats freaked out about it.

00:19:56.320 But this is something that happens every single year.

00:19:59.740 It's something that is completely legal, something that Virginians have been doing for years.

00:20:03.340 And and because the kind of legislation that's on the table, which is gun rights legislation now, it's gotten to be a much bigger, a much bigger deal.

00:20:11.760 John, tell me about the scene as I'm looking at some of the video, the people that are closest to the Capitol, generally white men, which is going to make this very easy for the left to paint this as a white supremacist movement.

00:20:28.180 Are you the only African-American in the crowd?

00:20:32.760 Are there any women and children there? 0.89

00:20:36.140 I'm standing actually literally right next to an Asian woman who is standing on a, you know, on on one of the steps here. 0.93

00:20:44.080 I would say, yeah, it's probably it is a mixed crowd, but it's also what I can see is not necessarily representative of who's here.

00:20:52.820 So I'm not actually sure.

00:20:53.980 I do know that I've already said, you know, there's people of all colors.

00:20:57.920 There's people of all genders.

00:20:59.520 And I wouldn't say it's all white men.

00:21:02.900 I certainly I don't see any Nazis.

00:21:04.400 I guess we're waiting to see where where all the Nazis are hiding, because that's what I was told who would be here.

00:21:08.880 Yeah.

00:21:09.840 And I think you remember, John, you were with me as my assistant at that.

00:21:14.440 You may have been an intern at Restoring Honor.

00:21:17.420 Were you not when we went to Washington?

00:21:20.440 I'm trying to remember.

00:21:21.420 I was I was right.

00:21:22.800 I think I had just ended my internship sophomore year.

00:21:26.880 Yeah.

00:21:27.140 So I was transitioning from an intern to an assistant, I think.

00:21:29.920 Yeah.

00:21:30.280 So you were my assistant.

00:21:31.920 Remember how much the the the organs of the state tried to suppress attendance there by saying that it was going to be, you know, very violent and awful.

00:21:45.300 And and we were told that the Black Panthers were coming.

00:21:50.220 Do you remember you remember that?

00:21:52.340 And it turned out not to be that.

00:21:54.680 Does it feel like the same kind of thing happening with the state of Virginia here trying to suppress these numbers?

00:22:00.240 I'm with one of my producers, Beth, here, who just told me everyone to her has been an absolute gentleman.

00:22:06.580 It has been nothing but peaceful protesters.

00:22:10.220 And it's this narrative that they try to frame where everyone's violent.

00:22:14.200 Everyone's, you know, getting in clashes in the street.

00:22:16.360 It's just not it wasn't the reality, Glenn, on on 828.

00:22:19.840 It's not the reality now.

00:22:20.880 And that is completely just the fabrication that I think they use to dissuade people from attending these events because they want to suppress the numbers, because they want people to think that it's not important.

00:22:30.160 And they want people to think that no one's actually interested except for the fringe, which is just not the case.

00:22:35.400 What I'm seeing is a bunch of normal everyday Americans who, believe it or not, actually value their rights, believe it or not, actually value the things that are afforded to them by the by the Constitution.

00:22:45.160 The Virginia state constitution and the and and the country's constitution.

00:22:51.260 And so they they're probably going to find the craziest people they can and highlight those.

00:22:55.940 But we've been here now for about a half an hour.

00:22:58.040 And it's just everyday people you see every day.

00:23:00.580 And no one's been anything but kind.

00:23:04.000 Do you see the mainstream media anywhere?

00:23:07.700 No, I have not.

00:23:08.840 It's all you know, there's local news.

00:23:11.100 There is there are conservative outlets.

00:23:13.560 But I haven't seen any flag, you know, Mike flagged from CNN, NBC.

00:23:18.060 I don't know if they're here.

00:23:19.300 Well, I haven't seen any coverage.

00:23:20.920 I haven't seen any coverage except on Fox.

00:23:23.000 But I could be wrong.

00:23:24.620 The last question at what time do you download today?

00:23:29.480 The White House brief.

00:23:30.880 And what are you having?

00:23:32.780 I believe it's 4 p.m.

00:23:35.200 That's when we usually download.

00:23:37.240 So 4 p.m. Eastern.

00:23:38.500 We're going to try to get some interviews with people on the ground here.

00:23:40.700 We're going to try to get some interviews with the organizers, the people who actually put this together and see what they think.

00:23:47.880 Because what's fascinating to me is that, you know, these are people who it is so important to have this right that they have literally said, hey, if the state tries to come after my guns, I'm literally willing to I'm willing to go to jail.

00:23:58.900 I'm willing to face whatever consequences come my way.

00:24:03.040 But I'm not giving up this right.

00:24:04.980 It sounds like another period of time that we're celebrating today, Martin Luther King Day.

00:24:11.240 Correct.

00:24:11.960 Correct.

00:24:12.420 And that's why it's so fitting that it's on this day.

00:24:15.040 Because it shows that American people, when it comes down to their rights, when it comes down to the things that they are allowed to do and the things that make living in this country great, when it comes down to those things, they have to – sorry, I'm getting pushed aside.

00:24:29.160 They have to – they're not willing to give those up.

00:24:32.480 Yeah.

00:24:32.640 And they're doing it peacefully, but they're letting their voices be heard.

00:24:35.100 Well, let them all know that we're behind them, and I appreciate the fact that you're there, John, along with a couple of other people from the blaze that we will talk to later on in the program.

00:24:46.160 Thanks.

00:24:46.460 John Miller, the White House Brief.

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00:25:11.780 Mr. Steve Dace, welcome to the program from Iowa.

00:25:15.360 Probably, I think, the leading expert on our program or on the Blaze TV when it comes especially to Iowa, but maybe politically.

00:25:26.600 You are really dialed into this.

00:25:28.400 You have been not only watching it, but participating in politics and the electoral process there in Iowa for years and years and years.

00:25:37.780 Welcome to the program, Steve.

00:25:39.860 Good morning, Glenn.

00:25:40.820 Thanks for having me back.

00:25:41.540 How is this race different than the other races that you've seen over the years?

00:25:49.040 I think what makes this race different than any other is this is 2012 for the Democrats, where if you go back to the 2012 Republican primary, it was all about anybody but Obama, anybody but Obama, anybody but Obama.

00:26:03.420 And then as the primary got going, it became anybody but Romney.

00:26:06.220 Romney was clearly established as the establishment candidate.

00:26:09.580 And so you had these flavors of the month come up, and who could capture the imagination of the grassroots and stop Mitt Romney from being the nominee?

00:26:18.920 That's how this process began for them.

00:26:21.660 But they ended up with somebody who belly flopped as a Mitt Romney and is underperforming in the early states, dramatically so, compared to all of his national polling.

00:26:32.460 And just to show you how ridiculous national polling is, today there's a presidential primary poll of New Jersey for reasons only a law knows.

00:26:40.620 Okay?

00:26:40.740 I mean, there's no – because I just wanted to bill people.

00:26:44.160 I wanted to call people.

00:26:45.480 New Jersey's opinion on the presidential process is irrelevant.

00:26:48.920 Right.

00:26:49.140 And so it goes back to what I told you guys a couple of weeks ago, that it doesn't matter what anybody thinks except that they live in Iowa, Nevada, South Carolina, and New Hampshire right now.

00:26:58.280 And I think what we're – so there's this free-for-all because no one has established their lane.

00:27:02.860 They don't have a clear establishment candidate.

00:27:05.540 Biden is leading in that subprimary, but he can't close the sale because, frankly, he's incompetent.

00:27:10.580 And you saw that come out in the debate last week, where as the debate wore on, so did he.

00:27:16.400 And so nothing is established.

00:27:18.740 It is really, to use a wrestling term, it is a battle royale right now.

00:27:22.680 They're all in the ring together taking shots.

00:27:26.020 So who's up and who's down from last week?

00:27:30.860 I think the – I think nothing has really changed from last week.

00:27:34.500 I think right now you have a Warren-Bernie Sanders free-for-all for the grassroots – Bernie is the Ron Paul character.

00:27:45.820 He has an insurgent wing of people that just want to disrupt the process and see him either personally or ideologically.

00:27:53.640 And I'm not drawing a moral equivalency between the two, a situational one.

00:27:56.880 So either they see him ideologically or personally as a disruptor.

00:28:01.320 But there's not enough of those people to win.

00:28:03.600 And so he's got to grow his coalition.

00:28:06.060 And Elizabeth Warren has always ate into his ability to do that.

00:28:09.360 And in the last couple of weeks, it looked like he had pushed her back or whether she had made enough mistakes to hurt herself.

00:28:14.760 But now you're seeing, including with the New York Times editorial this morning, you're seeing the more establishment hard left now, meaning the more polished, softer side of Sears, as I call it.

00:28:23.840 They're now coming – surging back to try to push her over the top on Bernie Sanders. 0.94

00:28:28.980 And that's where they're doing body language analyses of Bernie on these channels that are all pro-Warren.

00:28:35.120 And so I think that's really the only thing is there's now like a second Ted offensive on behalf of Elizabeth Warren from the media.

00:28:41.860 So it's interesting to me that you saw that bias in the last debate with CNN where they just believed Warren and just dismissed Bernie Sanders.

00:28:51.380 But also the New York Times now has – and I don't remember the New York Times offering two candidates before, but this time they're offering two candidates as their editorial pick.

00:29:05.340 Explain.

00:29:05.700 I think this is a very strategic decision.

00:29:08.940 I don't think it's just – some of it is pathos.

00:29:12.080 It's just pure emotion of a newsroom that just wants it to be the year of the woman so bad.

00:29:17.120 But I think beyond that, I think that Warren is their candidate.

00:29:20.720 And Amy Klobuchar is not competing with her in Iowa.

00:29:23.520 You look at – Amy Klobuchar is running ads right now. 0.99

00:29:26.080 I get more done than any other Democrat.

00:29:27.900 I'm Iowa, Minnesota nice.

00:29:29.680 She's running in Joe Biden's subprimary.

00:29:32.020 And so I think this is – I think the New York Times here is trying to do two things.

00:29:36.100 Number one, they're trying to elevate Amy Klobuchar to diminish Joe Biden.

00:29:40.020 I think there's a fear that Amy Klobuchar is fading and that Joe Biden will kind of get that.

00:29:45.180 We've just got to win lane all to himself and overperform on caucus night.

00:29:48.940 So they're trying to elevate Amy Klobuchar as a viable alternative to him.

00:29:53.080 And then I think it's the idea that if she can do well enough promoting an all-female ticket for the presidency in the general election in the fall, 0.99

00:30:00.760 a Warren Klobuchar ticket.

00:30:02.880 So I think there's two different things going on here with what the New York Times did this morning.

00:30:08.460 Steve, what do you think of the people in Iowa that matter, the big power players that are making these sort of calls

00:30:17.800 and pushing voters and have the real influence there on the ground?

00:30:23.440 What do they think is going to happen?

00:30:24.680 Well, they don't know.

00:30:27.040 And I think that's why you've seen, Stu, Tom Vilsack, who was our – I guess we call a more moderate Democrat governor in the early 2000s.

00:30:34.740 And I think that's why you're seeing him and John Kerry, who won the Iowa caucus this year in 2004.

00:30:40.620 I think that's why you're seeing a lot of the old guard come back in here.

00:30:44.020 They're trying to rescue Joe Biden.

00:30:46.240 And I think if they thought for sure that he had this, they wouldn't risk outing themselves and alienating their own grassroots.

00:30:53.200 I think this is triage, or maybe it takes a village to win a caucus.

00:30:57.520 I think they're all trying to chip in and carry him across the finish line here.

00:31:02.000 And I think the goal is just get Joe Biden to Super Tuesday in all those southern states with all those black voters and just have him be viable until then. 0.74

00:31:09.100 And he can at least sweep enough of those states to force a convention, if not win the nomination.

00:31:13.460 I think that's what their play is.

00:31:16.300 And I think the fact that they're getting so active here down the street or down the stretch, Stu, indicates they're concerned about his ability to close the sale.

00:31:24.220 Well, that's – I mean, that's worse than a Romney candidacy.

00:31:28.580 Agreed.

00:31:29.440 Agreed.

00:31:29.740 Romney, whatever you thought about him as a candidate, and I didn't think very highly on an ideological level, has a personal candidate.

00:31:36.600 Very polished, in charge, in command.

00:31:40.040 Seldom did you see him get, you know, ruffled.

00:31:43.140 You know, McCain did that to him in 08 in the New Hampshire primary, and he said, you are the candidate of change.

00:31:47.640 And the race changed in 08 right at that moment because it was the first time we'd ever seen Mitt Romney not on his mark.

00:31:54.560 In 2012, when I was on the Newt campaign and Newt bloodied him up in that South Carolina debate, that changed that whole primary was in that debate.

00:32:02.220 But those are the rare instances where Mitt Romney did not command the stage when he was in the room with the other candidates.

00:32:08.400 Joe Biden cannot do that.

00:32:10.400 He could have probably done that.

00:32:11.700 I mean, Mitt Romney is also about 10 years younger, if not more.

00:32:14.940 Now he's about 10 years younger than Joe Biden.

00:32:16.520 So I think we're being hard on Biden, but in reality, guys, this is what most 80-year-old men are.

00:32:23.080 Most 80-year-old men get off a good blast or two and make you think, hey, the old man still got it.

00:32:27.700 And then you sit down for another half an hour, and, you know, he's asleep with a cigarette dangling out of the side of his mouth. 0.99

00:32:32.540 You're like, he's going to burn the whole damn house down. 0.67

00:32:34.080 I mean, that's what most 80-year-old men are, and that's what you've seen with Joe Biden out on the campaign. 0.98

00:32:38.960 We saw that in the documentary Christmas Vacation.

00:32:41.580 That exact thing happened.

00:32:42.600 And it's not only that, but Mitt Romney had support, but it was milquetoast.

00:32:51.180 If nobody had to drag him across the finish line early on, if they're dragging this guy across the finish line,

00:32:59.200 when you lose all the momentum of the Warren Sanders, the people that, you know, voters are excited about,

00:33:07.200 you've got somebody that no one is excited about, no one.

00:33:12.360 And he's fallen into the trap.

00:33:15.260 All of his ads down the stretch here are his polling numbers against Trump.

00:33:20.060 I'm the guy that can win.

00:33:21.540 Regular Iowans on camera saying, eventually we have to win.

00:33:25.560 And so he was supposed to be the Mitt Romney of this race.

00:33:29.820 He was supposed to be the adult in the room with experience while the grassroots kind of fiddled and played favorites

00:33:35.280 and was going to kind of run and hide.

00:33:37.200 He's ended up becoming the Jeb Bush here.

00:33:39.740 And so what matters now is whether Bernie Sanders can be the Donald Trump, meaning, again,

00:33:45.960 the disruptor who can widen his coalition beyond people who just want to watch the system burn because they hate it,

00:33:52.620 or whether Elizabeth Warren can be the Ted Cruz, meaning, again, I'm not drawing moral equivalencies,

00:33:58.140 just situational ones, meaning beyond people who just passed her ideological test.

00:34:03.900 Can she grow a coalition beyond that? 0.98

00:34:07.180 Cruz and Trump both passed those tests in 16, which is why they were the last two standing candidates after Jeb Bush folded.

00:34:13.900 Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are trying to pass that test right now.

00:34:17.840 Imagine going back to the 2016 Republican primary, Trump and Cruz flail, and you're left with, well, I guess we go with Jeb Bush because there's nobody left.

00:34:25.620 That's essentially the argument right now for Joe Biden.

00:34:28.160 One last question.

00:34:32.840 Did you see the poll?

00:34:35.360 I think it's 86 percent of farmers overwhelmingly approve Donald Trump now.

00:34:40.820 Does that play a role anymore in Iowa?

00:34:43.840 Sure does.

00:34:44.480 I mean, we had 33 counties that voted twice for Obama in 08 and 12, pardon me, that voted for Trump in 2016,

00:34:54.280 and he lost a lot of those counties in the 2018 midterms, and, you know, that's why it was a good Democratic year in our state in the last election.

00:35:04.540 So, yes, it does matter.

00:35:06.220 Well, let me put a finer point on it.

00:35:07.840 It matters not as much as the national media thinks, okay, because that population has diminished, but it still matters more than most people probably believe.

00:35:18.220 The truth is somewhere in the middle, but absolutely it does matter on some level, no doubt about it.

00:35:23.080 Steve, thank you so much.

00:35:24.360 Steve Dace from The Steve Dace Show.

00:35:25.820 You can watch his program on Blaze TV immediately following this program every day, and he is the guy to go to when it comes to the Iowa elections.

00:35:36.160 Thanks, Steve.

00:35:36.600 You bet.

00:35:42.620 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:35:45.160 We have Burgess Owens on.

00:36:06.800 He is a NFL Super Bowl champion and a congressional candidate.

00:36:10.180 He is running, I don't even know which district.

00:36:14.060 Is he on with us?

00:36:15.540 Burgess? 0.92

00:36:16.520 Hi, Glenn.

00:36:17.320 Yes.

00:36:17.700 Which district are you running?

00:36:18.580 Number four.

00:36:19.000 Which is it?

00:36:19.800 District number four.

00:36:20.740 Number four.

00:36:21.520 Number four in Utah.

00:36:22.980 And a good friend of ours and just a really solid, solid guy.

00:36:28.480 I wanted to have you on.

00:36:29.460 It's Martin Luther King Day.

00:36:31.320 So tell me, how old were you when Martin Luther King died?

00:36:35.440 Oh, gosh.

00:36:36.120 I was a sophomore in high school.

00:36:39.500 And where were you living?

00:36:41.540 I was in Tallahassee, Florida.

00:36:42.980 We were actually at school.

00:36:47.420 We had integrated, Ricketts High School.

00:36:49.220 So we're going through a lot of those issues during those days and pretty tumultuous times.

00:36:53.980 But it was a time also where I can now reflect back, see the benefits of good men who did great things in that period, and now we're living the results of that today.

00:37:04.280 And if I can say this, I was looking at the search engine Bing today, B-I-N-G, and there's a picture of Jackie Robinson and his wife and his son and a bunch of other men and women marching together. 0.78

00:37:17.000 And I just highlight to people that was a – I think Martin Luther King Day represents the era of good men, respectful, patriotic, God-fearing, family-oriented, entrepreneurial, and visionary.

00:37:33.360 If you take a picture of that, you see the environment I grew up in, and I'm so proud to say that that was part of that great generation that taught us good things.

00:37:41.400 Well, there was a different way to go, and it was the Malcolm X way, and there was the Black Panthers. 0.55

00:37:48.680 A lot of people were pushing for this to go towards violence.

00:37:53.260 And I really feel, Burgess, that I don't see the Martin Luther King agent of change out there today.

00:38:02.380 Somebody that – I mean, the left, it's crazy.

00:38:05.200 The left has completely abandoned this guy because he's not radical enough.

00:38:11.400 Well, the left never has embraced Martin Luther King, and this is what you have to understand.

00:38:16.080 What Martin Luther King in that era represented was our Judeo-Christian values that made our country great.

00:38:21.260 They represented the culture that every person, every people, every group that comes here, once they embrace, they succeed and they become part of the middle class.

00:38:30.340 The left has always been anti this American culture.

00:38:35.640 It has always been angry, it has always been undermining, and what they do best is they go after our kids.

00:38:42.560 They attack the most vulnerable, which are children, kids that are wide open, that are hopeful when they turn them off to school, and they want to do their very best, and they come out feeling very angry, anti-God, and anti-American.

00:38:56.660 So, you know, the left has done what they're doing best, and unfortunately, we've allowed them to weave their way into my great community, and what you see in that picture is no longer what we see today.

00:39:06.940 We don't see respectful men and women marching and talking and articulating themselves in a very intelligent way.

00:39:13.760 We don't see that because the left, again, has taken us in a different direction.

00:39:18.020 So, Donald Trump is, we're looking at, I think, 3.9% unemployment, best unemployment since the 1960s, best unemployment for African-Americans of all time.

00:39:31.640 And I have seen African-Americans, Candace Owen is going to be on my TV show tonight.

00:39:37.260 This is the first time we're ever going to be doing something together, and I have a ton of respect for her.

00:39:43.040 She has really grown into a remarkable individual, but that is the things that I'm starting to see, and maybe it's because I'm living in my white world with white privilege,

00:39:58.340 but I'm starting to see African-Americans break out, be themselves, not just be, you know, I hate to use this phrase, but it's accurate, 0.99

00:40:08.520 a slave to the Democratic Party, doing whatever they tell them to do.

00:40:13.440 Is that real?

00:40:16.200 It's real.

00:40:17.340 And first of all, please tell Candace to say hello.

00:40:19.760 She's become a good friend of mine.

00:40:21.320 Yeah, she's great.

00:40:22.320 And I say, Glenn, when I think of this, and when I was 30 years old, I wasn't even coming close to having the wisdom, the courage, the insight that that young lady has.

00:40:31.360 And she represents this new generation that's waking up.

00:40:36.080 And I'll say this, that the greatest presence of President Obama was who was such a lousy president that America is now saying,

00:40:43.460 what ever happened to hope and change?

00:40:44.840 What happened to the promises that not only this black savior is going to give us, but the Democratic Party has been promised us for the last 30, 40 years. 0.95

00:40:51.420 So, yes, we are not only waking up, we are advocating strongly, come off this plantation.

00:40:57.400 We have more and more black Americans now wearing the MAGA hats. 0.99

00:41:00.060 And I was talking to Sarah Carter today, and I asked the audience, you ever see a black American with a MAGA hat on?

00:41:07.020 Please go up and shake his hand and say thank you, because they are on the front line.

00:41:11.200 These are the guys, these are people, men and women, old and young, that say, you know what, I can care less when people call me.

00:41:16.980 I can care less what the, quote, means of our community are right now, what they want us to believe.

00:41:22.560 We are now saying we're going to run off this plantation, not only bring our kids back and our community back, but make sure the rest of America are realizing, do not trust these people.

00:41:34.080 What they have done to us for the last 60, 70 years is exactly what they're trying to do in our country.

00:41:38.600 So, I'm very proud, number one, of our country overall, but I'm extremely proud of a president who is standing up against these elitists and has done a great job.

00:41:49.380 And, again, I was one of those guys that was very reluctant four years ago, but when I saw the, three years ago, when I saw the promise, the new deal, the promise of new deal for urban America,

00:42:01.420 and I saw those 10 tenants that President, that candidate Trump, have put together, I said, if only he does this, he'll be worth it for me.

00:42:08.740 He's done that and more.

00:42:10.300 And thank goodness America's coming together to be proud again of who we are, and we can have this conversation that we're going across, getting past this racial thing that the left has been driving us toward for the last few decades.

00:42:22.620 As we're looking at the impeachment now, the hearings start tomorrow.

00:42:28.400 Earlier on the program, we had Alan Dershowitz talking about it, and he's getting his head handed to him.

00:42:34.580 Here's a liberal Democrat who didn't vote for Trump and, in fact, wrote his book about impeachment, and the original name of the book was The Impeachment of Hillary Clinton

00:42:43.120 because he thought people would impeach Hillary Clinton, and it turned out to be Donald Trump.

00:42:47.080 What are your thoughts going forward here on this impeachment?

00:42:54.240 Okay.

00:42:55.160 Well, first of all, the campaign that I put together, Glenn, is based on four tenants that were given by Booker 2 Washington,

00:43:03.380 hand, heart, head, heart, hands, and home, education, God, industry, and family.

00:43:10.280 What we're doing now, we're seeing the fact that when a godless ideology takes over, which is what the socialists and monsters are,

00:43:18.100 they could care less about rule of law, they could care about what's fair, and they would turn on their own

00:43:22.460 because they really care more about power than any type of loyalty.

00:43:26.380 So this is what people have to recognize.

00:43:29.160 Take God out of the picture, and you get total evil.

00:43:31.800 And what we're dealing with, I'm not talking about people.

00:43:34.840 There are people who adhere to this evil, but more and more important is the ideology that nowhere in the history of mankind

00:43:41.140 has ever done anything but given misery, hopelessness, and anger.

00:43:44.820 So what's happening now is we have a president who's giving our country the best society, the best economy we've ever experienced, jobs,

00:43:52.740 entrepreneurship, like 400 percent of black entrepreneurship in the first two years.

00:43:57.440 Wow. 0.95

00:43:57.720 Women working like crazy. 1.00

00:43:59.660 I mean, it's across the board.

00:44:01.160 It's never been this way, and the left has never been more angry because the people, we the people, are not miserable.

00:44:08.860 They are not, they don't have the power.

00:44:11.160 So President Trump is slowly but surely pulling back the curtain, first of all, to realize how insidious these people have been for a long, long time.

00:44:18.960 And not only that, but realizing that, you know, we can't have a very happy society that's based on harmony and looking at each other and this side out.

00:44:27.360 And we can have our kids excited about our future.

00:44:30.100 And those are things that they have, they hate with everything that they're all about.

00:44:35.760 And so they're trying to destroy him because of this.

00:44:37.900 So it's going to be very obvious, I think, to most Americans, those who are fair, and I think that's what most Americans are.

00:44:44.320 But they're fair, and they just want people to keep their word, keep it that simple.

00:44:48.660 And because he's doing that, they are losing power, and they don't see it because they have no wisdom, because there's no God in their purview.

00:44:56.380 So we're going to continue to move forward and get our country back, and I'm very, very excited about being part of that process.

00:45:01.780 Burgess, we'd like to give the web address for people to come and help your campaign.

00:45:05.420 However, we can't do that unless we get a Super Bowl pick.

00:45:08.100 Chiefs, 49ers.

00:45:09.120 Well, listen, I'm a Philadelphia guy, like you are.

00:45:13.060 So, you know, I've got to go with Andy.

00:45:14.740 Andy's a great, classy, classy guy.

00:45:17.200 He really is.

00:45:17.780 I'm at a point now where I root for teams based on coaches.

00:45:21.960 So for the last few years, if the Raiders haven't been close, it's always been Kansas City because Andy Reid is a first-class individual.

00:45:27.800 So, by the way, my website is Burgess4TheFourTenets4Utah.com.

00:45:33.220 And if I can say this for those in the audience, it's not just Utah.

00:45:37.740 The values we have here are those four tenets I mentioned, and it's time for us to take those values back to D.C. instead of letting D.C. come here.

00:45:45.040 And because it's the most important seat, one of the top seats in this country, the Democrats need to have the seat to keep the power.

00:45:52.480 We need to have the seat to get back our country.

00:45:56.100 So, America's crossed the board. 0.63

00:45:57.700 Please support me in this process to get our country back at Burgess4Utah.com.

00:46:03.040 Thanks a lot, Burgess.

00:46:03.980 Appreciate it.

00:46:04.780 Burgess Owens, you bet. 0.68

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