The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Carol Roth & Dinesh D'Souza ｜ 5⧸2⧸22

00:00:00.000 Great show today.

00:00:00.720 We had Dinesh D'Souza on the program.

00:00:04.140 Talked a little bit about the history of the White House Correspondents Dinner.

00:00:10.060 Huh.

00:00:10.800 Who would have guessed that was a pushback from, like, this fascistic, progressive movement.

00:00:18.700 Amé.

00:00:20.140 Amé.

00:00:20.700 Stunning.

00:00:21.360 Yeah.

00:00:23.120 Also, we had Carol Roth on talking about your economy.

00:00:26.400 And things are getting spooky with Russia. 0.97

00:00:30.000 Including, he's going under the knife, Vladimir Putin.

00:00:35.000 Uh, really?

00:00:36.240 He's having some sort of cancer treatment?

00:00:38.680 He has to be put under for surgery?

00:00:41.840 Is there a possibility that maybe, oops, my hand slipped?

00:00:45.880 I'm just, I'm just saying.

00:00:47.780 Are we going to war with Russia?

00:00:50.560 And does this make this better, worse, or about the same?

00:00:53.220 All right.

00:00:54.740 All on today's podcast.

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00:01:52.700 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:02:07.240 Our good friend, Carol Roth, uh, is here.

00:02:10.640 She's a recovering investment banker.

00:02:13.060 Uh, she is also the author of the book, The War on Small Business.

00:02:18.440 Uh, and, um, she's, she worked across all kinds of, uh, industry.

00:02:24.400 She's an outsourced CCO, uh, and, uh, a director on public and private company boards as a strategy

00:02:32.860 advisor.

00:02:33.660 Welcome, Carol.

00:02:34.600 How are you?

00:02:35.860 I am doing well, Glenn, and happy National Small Business Week to you.

00:02:39.780 Yeah, thank you very much.

00:02:41.540 You know, um, I never really wanted to start my own business.

00:02:45.200 It's not something that I was like, hey, I can't wait to do that.

00:02:48.320 Because my dad was a small businessman and it's really tough.

00:02:52.200 I mean, I saw him struggle his whole life.

00:02:54.700 Uh, and then I did it because I just didn't want to work for clowns.

00:02:58.400 I didn't know what they were doing.

00:02:59.960 I mean, if I want to work for that clown, might as well be me.

00:03:02.420 You know what I'm saying?

00:03:03.820 Um, uh, is, is I'm, I'm concerned that small business can't continue in a country where

00:03:13.000 we are teaching our kids to be risk averse.

00:03:17.380 Uh, it's certainly very difficult.

00:03:20.560 Um, or you get the type of entrepreneurs who, uh, are delusional, who think that it's easy.

00:03:27.880 Uh, we all know who David Hogg is, um, I believe.

00:03:32.260 And, you know, he was complaining on Twitter the other day, how difficult it was.

00:03:37.060 He, he tried to set up an LLC and boy, it was so difficult.

00:03:41.420 And why does the government make it so hard?

00:03:44.000 Oh, I hate, um, I hate these guys.

00:03:46.880 I mean, really welcome to the party, David.

00:03:50.100 Well, I know.

00:03:51.180 And so, I mean, in a sense, it's almost a good thing.

00:03:54.140 It's almost like we should have a training program where anybody who's leaning towards

00:03:59.280 socialism is required to start a small business just so they can see how difficult it is.

00:04:05.160 Um, but certainly in aversion to risk, um, you know, more consolidation of power that takes

00:04:12.080 away the opportunity to innovate and all of the barriers that the government has put up

00:04:17.600 to make it more difficult to not only start a small business, but to hire your first employee

00:04:23.540 and to allow a small business owner to succeed, um, you know, it is not a good thing for economic

00:04:29.580 freedom, which is one of the reasons why people come here from all over the world to try to

00:04:34.180 start that business and live the American dream.

00:04:37.020 So when the, the Fed is raising the interest rates to try to control inflation, the reason

00:04:42.200 why this led to an economic boom in the eighties is because at the same time, the government

00:04:50.480 said, forget all this regulation, just go out and start a business right without that part

00:04:58.100 of the Reagan, uh, plan raising interest rates while piling new regulation on that's really

00:05:07.200 a killer, isn't it?

00:05:09.860 Yeah.

00:05:10.560 I mean, if you think about the Fed's options here and what they're trying to do in terms

00:05:16.700 of slowing down the economy, um, you know, given the backdrop that we have of this messed

00:05:21.980 up labor market and supply chain, I mean, the only way you're really getting a slower economy,

00:05:28.840 uh, in my opinion, is if small businesses and to some extent, big businesses, you know, just

00:05:35.080 stop hiring altogether.

00:05:37.300 And I think the small businesses, since they've had such a hard time hiring, you know, can't

00:05:41.740 survive or, you know, other things that make it very difficult for a small business to survive.

00:05:47.500 So the well-capitalized big businesses are going to be able to withstand this roller coaster,

00:05:53.180 which benefited them on the front end.

00:05:55.620 And they will coast through, um, you know, come out the other end.

00:05:59.200 Okay.

00:05:59.860 And the small businesses that have been beaten up, you know, have been closed, didn't get

00:06:04.940 the relief funds and, you know, haven't been able to take advantage of that, uh, free debt

00:06:10.740 because they're smaller in scale are really the ones that are going to suffer from all of this.

00:06:15.280 Once again, Glenn, once again.

00:06:17.020 Um, so I, I, if I read this one more time, my head will pop.

00:06:20.860 I keep reading that the economy is, I mean, people are spending money like it's, there's

00:06:27.020 no tomorrow because the average American just has so much money in their bank account.

00:06:34.180 Uh, I, I know that's not true.

00:06:37.940 Uh, common sense will tell you that's not true.

00:06:41.160 Can you please put this to bed?

00:06:43.880 So the average, and we've talked about before, average is not necessarily the median.

00:06:52.460 It's often dragged up by the wealthy at the top end, but the average American is in better

00:06:58.560 shape going into this potential recession or stagflation or whatever, whatever it is that

00:07:04.940 we're, we're about to face and kind of in the middle of, then they have been in other

00:07:10.280 recessions. Um, the personal saving rates is around, I think 6.2, 6.3% um, as of the end

00:07:20.260 of March, which was the last number that came out. Now that is worse than where we were in

00:07:27.380 2019 and 2020 going in, um, you know, to the pandemic decisions, but it's not sort of horrible

00:07:35.840 on a historic level. We had people pay down a lot of their credit card debt, um, you know,

00:07:42.140 with the relief funds and whatnot, since they were staying home during the pandemic. Now that's

00:07:46.800 starting to creep back up again. So today they are in better shape, but the trajectory, particularly

00:07:54.240 with the inflation, as we know, um, is eating away at that. So I would imagine that the personal

00:07:59.740 saving rate will continue to decline. We will continue to see balances increase on, on their credit

00:08:05.540 cards. And at some point, um, the consumer won't have that strength in their balance sheet and

00:08:11.240 probably will also be making decisions to just punt certain expenditures because their core

00:08:16.740 expenditures of living every single day have gone through the roof. So we had some questions come

00:08:22.560 in from the audience and I, I want to go over a couple of them. Steve and Mary wrote in, you can write

00:08:28.100 in by the way, glennbeck.com slash question. Um, I keep hearing about food shortages. Some say that

00:08:35.840 famine is coming. My wife and I keep arguing back and forth. She says, this is really the rest of the

00:08:42.680 world and not us. Yes. Food will be more expensive because of inflation, but we won't have shortages.

00:08:49.840 Which one of us is right? Um, so probably splitting that down the middle. Certainly there is a ginormous

00:09:01.040 crisis across the globe. Um, we heard that clip that you played from the fantastic Samantha Power,

00:09:08.440 who doesn't seem to care that potentially, you know, 40 to 65% of the world could be food insecure or,

00:09:15.500 you know, face starvation because, you know, we don't have enough fertilizer. Um, certainly we are

00:09:20.840 in a better position in the United States, but it depends on things going the right way. I mean,

00:09:28.400 we've seen that we had, you know, a bout of avion flu that we had to contend with, you know, it depends

00:09:34.820 on crop yields. It depends on our government, not just doing stupid things. I mean, we, we're seeing,

00:09:41.020 um, them pulling, you know, feed out of, uh, you know, uh, of the farm in order to put it into

00:09:48.220 gasoline so that they don't have to drill for more oil. I mean, they, they don't make the best

00:09:54.060 decision. So I wouldn't say that there isn't a possibility that we're going to have issues here.

00:10:01.300 Cause I think there is that possibility. It just probably isn't as stark as it is in the rest of the

00:10:07.960 world. That being said, um, nobody's ever been upset for being too prepared. So be prepared for

00:10:15.620 that. Worst case scenario. Uh, Ron in New York wrote, uh, I think my job is secure, but so did my

00:10:23.820 grandfather or my great grandfather during the great depression. How do we know what's coming?

00:10:29.940 What is the difference and how do we prepare? Is it smart for me to buy a house at this point?

00:10:35.440 So again, this is not financial advice, just some food for thought for you. Um, it really depends

00:10:44.880 on your personal financial situation. You know, if you were somebody who's still sort of living

00:10:51.680 paycheck to paycheck or building up, um, your reserves, we don't know what is coming down the

00:10:58.620 pike. You know, there are a lot of issues. The big thing right now, geopolitically is, you know, 0.50

00:11:04.620 are these stupid statements from the Biden administration going to pull us into some

00:11:09.900 sort of a nuclear war at that point, you know, all bets are off. If we're just looking at sort

00:11:15.980 of the inflation picture and the recession, I think the one benefit that we do have is that we have so

00:11:23.100 few people in the labor market. Now, granted it may get many people off the sidelines as they see

00:11:29.360 their 401ks shrinking, um, and have to deal with more inflation. But if you have a job that you are

00:11:36.300 secure in, you are probably in a better position, but it's always good again, to, to kind of think

00:11:43.080 through what are your second and third options. What could you do if that worst case scenario comes

00:11:48.840 about? And then, you know, again, look at sort of the risk reward on the, the, the home front

00:11:53.940 situation. Uh, we are underbuilt as a nation in terms of homes, and that is long-term probably

00:12:00.700 going to support housing prices, but it doesn't mean there isn't going to be some variability in

00:12:05.860 the meantime, especially with the increase, um, in mortgage rates. So I would just spend a lot of

00:12:11.680 time doing the little pros and cons and putting that plan together for your plan B and plan C and,

00:12:17.260 you know, wish you a ton of success.

00:12:18.980 I remember my, my parents getting small business, uh, in the seventies, it was a nightmare because

00:12:27.000 it was a lot like this. Um, is it good? Do you, what do you, I mean, what do you think is coming?

00:12:33.780 Is it like the 1970s? Uh, and it just stays like this? Does it, I mean, nobody knows, you know what I

00:12:42.540 mean? No, Americans have no, um, benchmark. Yeah. Yeah. But no benchmark to go back and say it will

00:12:51.700 be like this. We've never seen this. No, it, there are just a number of factors that are all coming

00:12:59.260 together. And as I said, I think that geopolitical wild card, um, is the, the biggest wild card right

00:13:06.320 now, assuming that we can get that piece under control. Cause as I said, if that, that goes off

00:13:12.280 the rails, all bets are off here. I think the likelihood is that we see a recession, but because

00:13:19.620 of the way the recession has come about, um, and some of the other, you know, weird things that are

00:13:25.800 happening in the economy, I think at least in the United States, it's probably a shallower

00:13:32.320 recession than we have seen, um, you know, in previous periods. Um, you know, not to say that

00:13:39.680 that won't cause real pain for people. It will, um, you know, there will be people probably who lose

00:13:45.340 their jobs, uh, small businesses will end up closing, but I don't think, I think that it will

00:13:51.280 be shorter in duration, um, you know, than it otherwise would have been if we didn't have some

00:13:57.700 of these other structural issues going on at the same time. That's fingers crossed.

00:14:02.320 Uh, but you know, there are a number of factors here that the fed between raising rates and

00:14:06.900 shrinking their balance sheets, the geopolitical issues and, you know, some of the other kind of

00:14:11.920 issues that we're contending with. Um, you know, that, that's just sort of a best guess right now,

00:14:16.120 but, but we've got to stay on top of this real time because things could change really quick.

00:14:20.260 888-727-BECK is the phone number. Jen in Texas, welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

00:14:27.280 Glenn, thank you for taking my call. My question is, um, just recently,

00:14:32.320 within the last 30 days or so, my husband completely, my husband and I completely paid

00:14:36.800 off our mortgage. Was this a dumb thing to do? Cause now we've, we've, we've totally,

00:14:45.260 we're now debt free now, but, and that's a wonderful thing, but now we miss out on that

00:14:51.320 tax advantage. So, uh, you know, I have to tell you being debt free is probably the best

00:14:56.740 thing you could ever do. But I hear this question, Carol, from so many people, a, I don't get the tax

00:15:02.740 advantage. And B, if, uh, if we go into real inflation, doesn't that help me pay down a debt?

00:15:11.240 I had use of dollars that are worth a lot more. I mean, they play this game. Can you answer this?

00:15:18.080 Yeah. So, I mean, it really depends on, um, you know, how sophisticated you are financially and how

00:15:24.340 on top of things you are. I mean, the reality is that for most Americans, you're not going,

00:15:29.780 oh, well, you know, on a, on a real interest rate basis, this is a negative interest rate on my

00:15:34.660 house. And I'm really glad I have this capital to do these other things. I never think it's a bad

00:15:40.600 thing to get rid of your debt because that's just money that's going out the window. And unless you

00:15:46.040 have some other great investment that is replacing that same kind of return. Um, and right now, like,

00:15:53.440 I'm just not sure where you're getting that. Um, you know, we're having that the stock market

00:15:58.060 is in turmoil. You certainly aren't getting that in your bank accounts. So, you know, now you have

00:16:04.560 it in that asset. You don't have to worry about it. You're not putting that, you know, extra money

00:16:09.160 out, um, each month. And then on the tax benefit side, I mean, you go again, I'm not a tax accountant,

00:16:16.020 but you know, they've changed a lot of the rules. Like you're not getting that much of a benefit the

00:16:21.140 same way that you used to. They put a lot of caps around these things. Um, so, you know,

00:16:26.420 certainly talk to your tax accountant, but you know, from my perspective for just kind of the

00:16:32.020 average person who's trying to do the right thing, getting out of debt is a phenomenal,

00:16:39.100 phenomenal move. And again, unless, unless you've got some other amazing investment that you know,

00:16:45.000 is going to return you more than what it is you're paying on your debt net net. You've won.

00:16:49.860 Thank you so much, Jen. I appreciate it. Um, that is the hard thing to, I think for people

00:16:56.320 to figure out or to really understand how it's not that prices are going up. It's that your dollar

00:17:03.800 is losing value and that causes people to raise prices because their dollar doesn't go as far to

00:17:12.600 buy all of the things that they need to buy. Right? Yeah. I mean, if you have a business,

00:17:18.480 you have all of your vendors who are, have higher wages, higher costs of inputs. So that means whatever

00:17:25.800 it is that they're selling to you is higher in costs. You're contending with higher wages and

00:17:31.660 higher operating costs. And you put all of those together and all of a sudden your profit margins,

00:17:36.800 which in most industries, you know, aren't that big. Sometimes they're in the single digits,

00:17:41.060 um, you know, starts to erode. And so you say, well, I either, I have to pass this on

00:17:46.960 to the consumer, or in some cases they shrink the product that they're offering called shrinkflation.

00:17:53.720 You know, the, the pizza that you get that, you know, used to be huge, you know, all of a sudden

00:17:58.280 kind of looks like it's half the size, um, or they end up going out of business. There are only so many

00:18:03.040 different lovers that can be pulled. Um, and that's, you know, that's how it ends up seeping

00:18:08.180 through the economy. And it, you know, it's, it's why it ends up impacting all of us and being a

00:18:13.100 permanent tax. Carol Roth. She is the author of the war on small business. Um, you can ask her

00:18:20.640 anything, uh, that you want. You can, you can follow her on her website at carolroth.com or

00:18:27.520 Carol J S Roth, um, uh, on Twitter, but you can ask any questions and we'll have her on again,

00:18:35.340 answer questions at glennbeck.com slash question, glennbeck.com slash question. Carol,

00:18:40.980 thank you so much. We'll talk to you again. Oh, it's a pleasure. Have a great week. God bless.

00:18:49.360 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:19:01.480 I mean, I don't want to be a worry here. So Stu, I'm just looking to you to, you know, sure.

00:19:06.640 So Germany said, you know, we can't, we cannot outright ban, uh, oil from Russia because it would 0.62

00:19:17.820 destroy Germany's economy and it would destroy the economy on the continent as a whole. And, um,

00:19:25.900 now he's changed his mind and he's saying, we're going to stop all oil.

00:19:31.400 They've changed their mind on quite a bit recently. Yeah. Yeah. Their entire philosophy of foreign 0.79

00:19:37.480 affairs for the past multiple decades. Yeah. So nothing to see there. Right. I mean, that's no

00:19:44.500 big deal. It's pretty, pretty big deal. Seems like to me. I'm, I'm, Oh, I mean, I'm sorry. Not a big

00:19:50.420 deal. Who cares? Right. It's way over there. Right. The thing that's happening that's bad is really far

00:19:56.280 away. Right. And they, they changed their mind, as you said, on a lot of things lately. And what

00:20:02.320 could that mean? I don't know. I certainly all good things. Of course, you know, I believe it was

00:20:10.840 the philosopher Sheryl Crow who said a change will do you good. Amen. So in the last few days, uh,

00:20:18.880 Russia, you know, has stopped all the gas supplies, uh, as well. And then again, over the weekend said

00:20:25.680 the risk to nuclear war is very real, you know, which I like coming from Putin, who we found out 0.57

00:20:33.020 now over the weekend does have cancer, does have to go under the knife and he's going CPC for,

00:20:40.040 we don't know how long as they do whatever to remove the cancer from him. So you got a guy who

00:20:48.680 is probably going to die. Knows he's going to die. Wants to go out with a bang, uh, going under

00:20:57.260 the knife. There's a tad bit of speculation in there. We don't know that he's probably going to

00:21:02.060 die. I mean, he's going to die someday, I suppose, but we don't know that that's not necessarily the

00:21:06.880 belief here, right? The belief is this is just a minor, minor surgery. The fact that it was,

00:21:13.280 it would explain all of the actions that have occurred over the past couple of months is

00:21:17.180 totally separate. Right. And the fact that like they've had like 56 visits from the radiology

00:21:23.560 department, just the 56 though. Yeah. I mean, it's just the 56. That's like saying you think Joe

00:21:28.360 Biden is, you know, incoherent, you know, what evidence do you have other than all the evidence,

00:21:34.320 you know, it's just the constant stream of evidence. But other than that, what do you have?

00:21:40.080 Okay. So, um, he also, uh, said over the weekend that any foreign intervention in Ukraine would

00:21:47.200 provoke what he called lightning fast response from Moscow. Now I'm not sure what he deems

00:21:55.120 as foreign, um, intervention. I feel like we're pretty involved now. We don't have troops

00:22:04.900 theoretically on the ground in the country. We don't seem to be firing these weapons ourselves.

00:22:09.860 We're just giving them to the people next to us who are firing them themselves. In all seriousness,

00:22:15.320 Glenn, if you were, how would you take this? If Russia was doing this to us in another country,

00:22:22.440 if we were in the middle of the Iraq war, let's say, and Russia is not only doing things,

00:22:28.540 which we know they were involved in some of the Afghanistan and we know they had involvement,

00:22:34.060 but they weren't doing press conferences every day bragging about how they were sending weapons

00:22:38.960 to, we've, we've donated 10,000 IEDs to the resistance in Iraq and they've killed all of

00:22:47.080 these soldiers. It's going really well.

00:22:48.860 Yeah, no, it would not go well.

00:22:50.100 We would not accept that.

00:22:51.340 No.

00:22:51.440 We would not be thrilled about it. Now I, I'm not saying that it's insane to help.

00:22:57.600 I do think it's insane to keep talking about it. I don't understand why we're announcing that we're

00:23:04.540 sending them weapons. I'm kind of with you on that one. Let there be an air of mystery as to where

00:23:09.960 these weapons came from. Yep. You know, we, we officially Israel does not have nuclear weapons.

00:23:17.360 And when we're asked about that, we say, what, what are, I don't even know what weapons you're

00:23:23.200 talking about. What country are you talking about? And that should be the appropriate response to

00:23:27.680 this is, I'm not sure what you mean. That's what, when someone asks you, are you sending weapons into

00:23:32.620 Ukraine to kill Russian soldiers? You'd say, I don't know what you mean. Is there something going

00:23:36.480 on there?

00:23:37.340 So they had a bloodbath this weekend in Ukraine. I mean, if things did not go well for Russia

00:23:43.880 again this weekend, and they are just a few days away from, uh, may 9th. Yeah. Which is a big day

00:23:50.800 for them. Big day. Uh, that's called victory day. And they don't want to have record numbers of

00:23:57.060 soldiers coming home in body bags on victory day. Uh, so, uh, that would be suboptimal be suboptimal

00:24:05.480 for them and probably for us. Meanwhile, uh, the military, uh, has now gotten an order at least,

00:24:13.700 I shouldn't, I shouldn't say this, uh, representative Kinzinger, uh, said on, I don't know, ABC or

00:24:20.880 whatever this weekend, something that nobody was watching that he has, he's now drafted a bill and

00:24:26.800 it's gone to Congress to authorize the president. So he has better flexibility. Uh, believe me,

00:24:34.800 that guy hasn't been flexible in a long time. Um, if they use weapons of mass destruction of any kind,

00:24:41.140 the president has a right to go to war. I totally trust Joe Biden's judgment on this important

00:24:49.180 matter. Yeah. I don't think we should just write that check. No. And, and I don't think that will

00:24:54.580 happen by the way. I don't think Kinzinger is, is out on his own on this one for the most part.

00:24:59.280 I don't know. It could change. I mean, look, you know, if they actually use, which by the way,

00:25:04.520 there's no evidence they're going to use chemical weapons in, in Ukraine. I mean, they may, 0.97

00:25:08.440 I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be stunned if Vladimir Putin did it. But remember, even in Syria,

00:25:14.080 it, they, they, they did what we did, right? Where we're, we're doing in Ukraine right now.

00:25:19.440 We're, they kind of stood around and backed up the Syrians, but the Syrians were the ones using 1.00

00:25:24.420 the chemical weapons. They didn't even use them there. Uh, now look, I, that's, you know,

00:25:29.660 doesn't mean they won't do it here. I would not be stunned if Vladimir Putin did something else

00:25:33.340 crazy. He's a, well, he does seem to be losing badly. Yeah. And one of the things that's

00:25:39.840 interesting about the structure of this war with us giving them all these weapons, which we can talk

00:25:43.980 about because they publicly announced it. Oh, have you heard about the Phoenix ghost kamikaze

00:25:47.500 drones we've sent? Yes. Yes. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Let's get that on the front page. What's

00:25:51.960 interesting here is that Russia has a pretty strong military, but not as strong as maybe we believed

00:25:58.060 beforehand, but it is what it is, right? They've had a lot of their important people killed. A lot

00:26:03.620 of their best soldiers killed, a lot of their weapons utilized already. They're constantly,

00:26:08.200 I mean, there's all sorts of rumors of them pulling people off the streets basically for this effort.

00:26:12.840 So their military is getting worse as this goes on. The opposite is happening with the Ukrainian

00:26:18.260 military. It's getting stronger because we keep sending them hundreds of millions of dollars of

00:26:22.780 brand new shiny weapons. So their, their resistance is actually increasing in its ability

00:26:29.120 to execute the war, which we've seen happen over just the past week where now targets inside of

00:26:38.000 Russia, Russia, inside Russian borders are being hit by Ukrainians with missiles and drones sent to

00:26:45.380 them by Western countries. Again, on military installations, not, not targeting civilians like

00:26:53.400 the Russians are doing in many places across Ukraine, but still, again, you know, this is a,

00:26:59.580 this is a country who went to its people this week and said, Hey, you know, Adolf Hitler was probably

00:27:05.900 Jewish. Seriously, this is what they're saying. They do not need a lot of justification to, to,

00:27:12.640 to do all sorts of crazy things. And they will, you clearly would utilize this for their own

00:27:20.440 propaganda purposes and have honestly, what you would probably consider if you were completely

00:27:25.180 neutral in this battle as a good argument that we are involved in this, that we are helping their

00:27:31.800 soldiers die. And while I agree that they should not be able to roll over the border of Ukraine and, 0.61

00:27:39.280 you know, kill tons of civilians like they're doing, I can understand why the Russian people are looking 1.00

00:27:46.340 at this and saying, wait a minute, we just had a special military operation going on here. And now

00:27:51.600 they're hitting us inside of our borders with, with missiles and drones from the United States of 0.93

00:27:56.600 America. It shows they want regime, regime change. Well, and you know, we've also added something really

00:28:02.440 super, uh, special. There's a, now I think two or three countries that are like, uh, it's, I know

00:28:07.300 it's Sweden and Finland who have now said, you know what, we really, we really want in on that NATO

00:28:12.420 thing. Oh, that's good. That's good. So we got them, uh, as well. So now that's going to make the

00:28:20.660 Russians even more convinced. I mean, I, you know, look, I think peace through strength, but I also think

00:28:28.760 you also have to look at your enemy and I think our enemy is wounded and a nuts, absolutely nuts.

00:28:36.580 Yeah. And think of that. We've talked about this a lot in the framework of Islamic extremism when it 0.96

00:28:41.880 comes to humiliation, that factor, that is one of the most important things to Vladimir Putin and

00:28:46.820 Russia. That's had been his entire desire this entire time. They've been, they were humiliated by

00:28:51.780 what happened with the fall of the communist regime. We need to bring ourself back, not even to

00:28:55.860 communism, but back to the czar days. Right. And he, when, if this goes the way it's going,

00:29:03.520 this country, they thought they could roll over and be welcomed as liberators. If it goes the way

00:29:08.180 it's going, he is not going to just take it sitting down unless he's under from cancer surgery. That's

00:29:14.860 the only way that happens. And man, I, you know, the possibilities here are ugly. Do you know what

00:29:22.800 bothers me is the, the press whipping everybody up into a frenzy? That's what I don't like. There's,

00:29:29.860 and this is from a friendly, you know, conservative paper, Washington Examiner. Russia is upping its

00:29:35.340 World War III rhetoric. Vladimir Putin has threatened any nation that directly intervenes in Ukraine with

00:29:40.660 retaliation via strategic weapons, strategic meaning nuclear. At the same time, Russian foreign 0.54

00:29:46.580 minister, Sergey Lavrov says the risks of nuclear war are now very significant. Russian state media,

00:29:53.360 prominent commentators this week suggested that nuclear war with the West wouldn't be too problematic

00:29:58.740 because the Russians would go to heaven, whereas Westerners would just die. Yet this is not the time 0.70

00:30:05.200 to bow before Russian threats. Indeed, Biden must respond to Russian aggression forcefully. This moment

00:30:12.580 is also shaping a message about what America and by association, what the free world will tolerate in

00:30:18.800 the 21st century. If Biden waivers, he will be sacrificing the relative peace and cooperation

00:30:24.480 that was hard won in World War II. So he's going on, um, there, this, this writer is going on,

00:30:32.680 do Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Mark Milley, like their forebears in World War II, share a willingness to

00:30:40.840 stare down the threat and to win. I think this is a really important discussion, but does it feel

00:30:48.460 like this is a discussion that Americans are having? No, it feels like it's happening in the ether up

00:30:56.700 with the elites and we're not really engaged in it. I think a lot of people just see this as this,

00:31:04.520 you know, this thing that's far over there and not really our concern. We need to be worried about

00:31:08.480 what's going on here. And we do, there's a lot to worry about here. We have a completely

00:31:12.480 incoherent president, a massive inflation, the border situations out of control, CRT, uh, gender 1.00

00:31:19.320 stuff. All of this is real and a big problem. When you talk about the entire human civilization and it

00:31:26.380 is existence, this problem is right there. And especially since, you know, you never want an

00:31:32.760 emergency to go to waste. Yeah. The things that can be enacted and done during a massive war are

00:31:41.420 staggering and you never come back from them. When you're looking at a, a party that is acting as

00:31:49.460 reckless as they are, not listening to the average American, not watching the poll numbers, and they are

00:31:56.660 just going over the cliff with our finances, uh, with our dollar, with freedoms, all of these things.

00:32:05.640 They, these chickens are coming home to roost and what is their plan? Yeah. It's scary because if

00:32:14.140 everyone acts somewhat reasonably here, meaning like logically you could see this escalating out of

00:32:20.580 control, each side has reason to believe the other side is acting aggressively. And I remember the

00:32:27.340 Breonna Taylor situation where she was shot was one of the black lives matter things. When you look at

00:32:31.880 that situation in depth, one thing you notice is both sides acted really logically for what happened

00:32:38.440 in the moment. The police came to the door. They had a warrant to go in. They believe something was

00:32:42.540 going on. They, they, they banged through the door. The guy has a legal permit. He wakes up in the

00:32:48.140 middle of the night. What are you going to do in that situation? You're going to shoot the guy

00:32:51.240 who's breaking into your room. Yep. The police officer gets shot. Well, of course the police

00:32:58.280 officer is going to fire back into the room and then Breonna Taylor gets hit. Totally logical on 1.00

00:33:02.260 both sides. On both sides. Every action, except for the, maybe the idea that the warrant should have

00:33:07.380 not been presented that way, but that was a decision made before the interaction happened. Kind of the

00:33:12.180 same thing here. You know, Russia makes, I think an irrational decision in, in, in going into Ukraine,

00:33:17.520 but it's setting off a bunch of series of, a series of actions of people acting relatively

00:33:22.720 logically for the moment that keeps escalating the situation. And that's where real danger lies.

00:33:30.420 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:33:33.260 Dinesh D'Souza. How are you, sir?

00:33:45.120 I'm doing great. Thank you. Very excited about this movie, uh, which is, will be seen for the

00:33:51.500 first time tonight.

00:33:53.420 So, uh, I know so many people who have, uh, seen it. I've seen it. People are talking about it.

00:34:00.860 I wanted to go over with you, uh, some of the things that you would hear, uh, from friends that

00:34:08.180 are just tired of hearing about the election being stolen on the other side. So, um, tell me first of

00:34:14.920 all, um, the, the theory that you are, uh, proposing and what you found.

00:34:21.600 Sure. So the, um, the foil, the thing we're arguing against is the mantra that this was the

00:34:30.280 most secure election in history. This is dogmatically asserted pretty much everywhere you

00:34:35.880 look. And it's the basis for calling disputes about the election to be a big lie. It's also the

00:34:41.640 basis for digital censorship. So a lot is riding on this claim. And, um, I work in this film with a,

00:34:49.500 uh, group, an election intelligence group that is called true the vote. Um, and at the time when

00:34:55.300 lots of charges of fraud were flying around, many of them sincerely meant, but unsubstantiated

00:35:01.360 true, the vote got a kind of a genius idea, which was let us test a hypothesis. And the hypothesis is

00:35:09.220 that if the Democrats are going to cheat, they're going to cheat exactly where the rules changed.

00:35:14.340 In other words, it's kind of like saying that there were new vulnerabilities created by

00:35:17.620 the sudden mushrooming of all these mail and drop boxes, the mailing of not just millions,

00:35:23.260 tens of millions of mail out ballots. So if it's going to happen, it doesn't mean it did happen,

00:35:28.360 but if it did happen, this is probably how it would happen. And so what true the vote did is they

00:35:33.120 bought, um, cell phone geospatial data, which is cell phone geo tracking in all the key areas where

00:35:41.100 the election was decided, Atlanta, Georgia, Phoenix, Arizona, Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia,

00:35:47.780 10 trillion pings of cell phones. And our cell phone Glenn has apps that enable the exact location

00:35:56.440 in a given moment of time to be known about that phone. And if you buy the cell phone data,

00:36:01.240 you can track the movement of phones. By the way, this is used by law enforcement. It's used by

00:36:06.160 intelligence agencies. Um, frankly, if you walk into a mall and you get a notification saying,

00:36:11.580 Hey, there's a special at the Apple store. Well, how they know you're there, they're tracking your

00:36:15.780 phone. So it's this exact same technology. And what true the vote did is they ran a search algorithm

00:36:21.640 and they were looking for mules. Now what's a mule, a paid political operative hired to deliver 0.79

00:36:27.900 fraudulent votes to mail in drop boxes, by the way, typically in the middle of the night.

00:36:33.020 And they were looking for mules who went to 10 or more drop boxes. Now this is key.

00:36:38.040 And it's key because you might have a legitimate reason to go to two drop boxes, right? You went to

00:36:42.580 one, you dropped off your ballot, you went to the second. And by mistake, you just had to tie your

00:36:47.080 shoelace. And so you're found at the second location, but who has a rational reason to go to

00:36:53.000 10 or more drop boxes? So the idea is let's try to catch the most egregious or most industrious mules. 0.97

00:37:00.400 And in these five areas that I mentioned, there are at least 2,000 mules. That's where I get the

00:37:06.500 title for the movie, 2,000 mules. The actual number of mules is of course much greater because if you

00:37:12.020 look for people who went to five or more drop boxes, the number of mules increases exponentially.

00:37:17.760 So that's the first line of evidence. It's geo-tracking. The second line of evidence is surveillance

00:37:22.900 video. And we're talking here not about some guy in his truck, you know, turning on his iPhone and

00:37:28.780 capturing some guy dumping ballots. No, we're talking about the official surveillance video

00:37:33.820 from the states themselves and what it shows. And this is probably the highlight of the movie.

00:37:39.900 It's almost eerie. You can be, you're taken back to the days leading up to the election,

00:37:44.740 early voting election day. You can see these criminals and they are criminals jumping out of

00:37:50.280 their car. They look to the left and right, make sure no one's looking. And then they start dumping

00:37:54.560 these ballots into mail and drop boxes. So we've, we, in a sense, the audience can see the crime

00:37:59.760 being committed. They become eyewitnesses to a coordinated network of illegal ballot trafficking.

00:38:07.340 So they, I mean, I was shocked to see, I mean, wearing gloves, they know exactly what they're doing.

00:38:13.480 They know exactly what they're doing. And so do you, uh, just by watching, just by watching.

00:38:18.680 And, you know, initially when I saw the gloves, I thought, could it be, could it be that these

00:38:23.640 mules are wearing gloves because of COVID? They don't want to touch the drop box, but then this

00:38:28.020 is what crushes it. You realize that the mules initially aren't wearing gloves. And then what

00:38:33.500 happens is there's a big arrest in Arizona where the FBI bussed some people for illegal vote dumping,

00:38:39.620 the ballot harvesting, and the FBI was able to find their fingerprints on multiple ballots.

00:38:44.580 The moment that happened, the mules start wearing gloves. So the word goes out among these left-wing

00:38:49.960 organizations that deploy the mules, wear gloves. That way you don't leave your fingerprints on the

00:38:54.680 ballot. So very often when you're trying to decide whether to believe a theory, it's little details

00:38:59.860 like this. You also know from seeing the movie client, people taking photos of the ballots being

00:39:05.080 dropped in, not a selfie, not sort of a, I voted, but who takes photos of themselves putting in

00:39:11.060 multiple ballots if not to show their employers, hey, I was there, I did the work, I need to get

00:39:16.080 paid. So let me just go through this. I'm quoting the Washington Post. So let's walk through this.

00:39:24.120 First, the changes in the rules that were allowed, that allowed the election heist, they have those

00:39:29.900 in quotes, they are changes that were made, that made it easier to vote. That's at the heart of

00:39:35.840 D'Souza's complaint, and the Trump allies broadly. Often the allegation isn't that fraudulent ballots

00:39:41.920 were cast, but just that the Democrats made it easier to vote, and that was the election theft.

00:39:48.100 It's like complaining that your computer sold more widgets illegally because it lowered its prices.

00:39:55.340 That's not your case at all.

00:39:58.380 That's not our case at all. What he's saying is something like this.

00:40:01.780 You have a bank, and what the Democrats have done is they have made sure by filing lawsuits that the

00:40:08.020 security guards get three hours off every night, and they turn off the surveillance video when they

00:40:14.320 take a break, and they've told the tellers, don't be too rigorous about matching signatures, just make

00:40:19.520 sure that the scrawl is roughly similar. So now I agree with the Washington Post that that does not

00:40:25.800 prove a heist. That simply proves that the bank is more vulnerable to a heist. The beauty of our

00:40:31.600 movie is we don't just show the vulnerability, we actually show the heist.

00:40:36.000 So he says, the writer, then D'Souza crosses a bright line in his allegation. He's not saying

00:40:42.160 that those collecting ballots and submitting there were violating state laws. He's saying that the

00:40:46.600 ballots themselves were fraudulent, that this amounted to hundreds of thousands of illegal

00:40:51.440 votes. If he has evidence to this, he's cracked the voter fraud thing wide open, but there's no

00:40:57.380 reason to assume he does.

00:41:00.580 Right. So actually, Philip Bump, the guy who wrote this article, has not seen the movie. In fact,

00:41:06.340 he's been begging me to give him an advance copy of the movie. I'll probably send him one today.

00:41:11.080 Here's what he's saying, and it's a little bit of guesswork on his part. What he's basically saying

00:41:16.160 is that there is a difference. What he's saying is that vote harvesting, which is essentially giving

00:41:22.240 your ballot to somebody else to return it, is legal under some circumstances. And that's true.

00:41:29.180 26 or so states allow some form of vote harvesting. Now, California, which has not surprisingly the

00:41:36.400 most liberal law, you can give your ballot, Glenn, to anyone and say, hey, you return it. You drop it

00:41:42.040 off.

00:41:42.240 And that would explain people coming with a whole bunch of ballots. I just collected them from

00:41:47.460 everybody in the office.

00:41:49.300 Exactly. Exactly. Now, in the five states we're talking about, the rules are not like that. None

00:41:54.240 of them allow that kind of unlimited harvesting. So in Georgia, for example, this is pretty typical.

00:41:59.840 You can give your ballot to a family member or if you are in a confined facility to a caregiver,

00:42:06.380 but not to anyone else. It is strictly forbidden. I can't give my ballot in Georgia to my neighbor

00:42:12.400 and say, drop it off. Now, even though those laws vary a little bit from state to state,

00:42:17.460 here's the crushing key point. In no state is it legal to pay anyone, let alone a mule,

00:42:23.820 to go deliver a ballot. The moment that money changes hands, you have corrupted the process.

00:42:29.240 So even in California, if I say to my neighbor, hey, Tom, go drop off my ballot. No problem.

00:42:33.940 Hey, Tom, go drop off my ballot. And here's a hundred bucks to do it. That becomes a fraudulent

00:42:39.580 vote, an illegal vote. It cannot and must not be counted.

00:42:42.560 I'm going to quote from the thing again. What's more, even true. The vote doesn't allege the

00:42:48.460 ballots themselves were fraudulent when the website just the news covered the Georgia story.

00:42:52.540 It noted that true to vote was not making such a claim when true. The vote representatives

00:42:57.440 testified in front of Wisconsin legislative committee. The group's Catherine Engelbrecht said

00:43:01.860 so publicly. I want to make it clear. We're not suggesting the ballots were cast were illegal ballots.

00:43:07.960 What we're saying is the process was abused. It's the difference between making and selling a product

00:43:13.200 legally and have someone smuggle that product into another country without your realizing it.

00:43:19.200 If D'Souza's film shows that the ballots were fraudulent, that's a massive deal one would assume

00:43:24.140 would have to quickly be presented to law enforcement. But there's been no such investigation.

00:43:29.220 And the group of the group whose data he's using says that's not what happened.

00:43:34.420 That suggests, then, that D'Souza's claim to Kudlow is not backed up, that the 400,000 illegal votes,

00:43:41.800 itself a remarkable assertion of scale, were not that.

00:43:47.300 So I think what's going on here is that Philip Bump is confusing the difference between a fraudulent

00:43:56.540 ballot and a ballot fraudulently cast. Here's what I mean.

00:44:01.660 No one is claiming, and True the Vote is not claiming, and this is the distinction they're

00:44:05.980 trying to make. No one is saying that the actual ballot, the piece of paper, is fraudulent. In

00:44:11.040 other words, they're not saying that somebody went to a high-quality copying machine and made

00:44:15.580 hundreds of thousands of ballots. That would be a fraudulent physical ballot. What they are saying

00:44:22.500 is that these ballots are not legal votes. And the way we know this, by the way, is you look at

00:44:29.320 these non-profit organizations. And it's worth mentioning here, by the way, that many of these

00:44:35.820 so-called 501c3 organizations are strictly forbidden by law and by IRS rules from engaging in any kind of

00:44:44.600 explicit electioneering. They can urge people generically to go out and vote, but the idea that

00:44:50.520 they campaign or they collect votes for the Democrats or they try to advance a candidate

00:44:55.340 or a party, this is strictly forbidden. So here's the question. How would 400,000 legal votes

00:45:01.400 somehow end up in the hands of these far left-wing groups that would then need to hire mules to go

00:45:08.220 out in the middle of the night and secretly dump them? Why would they act in that manner if these

00:45:12.980 were legitimate votes, plausibly picked up? They just got them from people who said, yeah, here's my vote.

00:45:17.920 You drop it off. Somehow they ended up with hundreds of thousands of these votes.

00:45:22.660 Then the question becomes, why hire the mules? So the other thing about this is, Glenn, is that this

00:45:29.580 can be easily resolved, this ambiguity, if you will, by federal agents raiding these non-profit centers,

00:45:36.740 by cops arresting the mules. And all you have to ask them is, where did you get the ballots?

00:45:42.140 Who gave them to you? Where did they get them? Who paid you? Who organized this operation?

00:45:47.480 Obviously, we're not law enforcement. We can't do that in the movie. That's the logical next step.

00:45:53.100 But it's ridiculous to say, since we don't know where an individual ballot came from. It's kind of

00:45:58.120 like if I were to show you a murder, and I'm actually showing you the murder. And then the

00:46:02.740 Washington Post is like, but where did he buy the gun? Where did he get the gun? And I'm like,

00:46:06.620 there are 10 gun stores that he could have gotten from any of those. They're like, yeah,

00:46:10.020 but if he can't prove which gun store he went to, all he's saying is, he can't show you where the

00:46:15.980 ballot came from, or where, in this case, the gun came from. True, but there's an easy way to take

00:46:20.780 that next step. And it's called law enforcement needs to spring into action.

00:46:25.240 We're here with Dinesh D'Souja talking about his new movie. Dinesh, I'm curious if,

00:46:29.540 because you're talking about the prosecution of real standing laws, laws that are on the books.

00:46:34.620 Is there a little tiny bit of motivation here that just, because the only time I can think of

00:46:41.600 anybody going after any of these laws is when they came after you. And then here's a real

00:46:46.440 situation where an election might be on the line, and people are very worried about the integrity

00:46:50.500 of the election. And here, they don't seem to have any interest in it whatsoever.

00:46:56.360 One of the most fascinating questions for me is going to be, what comes next? You know,

00:47:00.880 here's this movie. And by the way, you know, in my earlier movies, I always took a certain pleasure

00:47:05.100 in people standing up and applauding in the theater when the movie ended. That's not going

00:47:09.420 to happen here. I predicted tonight, and then Wednesday night, when we do our second theatrical

00:47:13.660 showing, be dead silence in the theater as people sort of take it in, because we do a very careful

00:47:19.480 computational math. In other words, it's not just 400,000 illegal votes, therefore the election

00:47:24.640 was stolen. No, you have to look at each individual state and see if the volume of fraud was large

00:47:30.340 enough to have moved that state from one camp into the other camp. So all of this is in the movie.

00:47:35.740 And it puts us into constitutionally uncharted territory, because while the Constitution lays

00:47:40.540 out a procedure, the electors vote, both houses of Congress affirm and ratify, the president is

00:47:45.820 inaugurated. The Constitution does not contemplate what happens if it comes out later, that the guy in

00:47:51.620 the White House got there because of not episodic, but coordinated planned fraud in the key states.

00:47:58.380 It's never happened before in American history, as far as I know.

00:48:01.640 So when we're looking at this, you know, the real reason, because the Constitution doesn't say this,

00:48:08.460 you know, what we do in this case, but it can help us make sure the midterms and the next

00:48:15.460 presidential election, this doesn't happen. Where do we stand on any of that, Dinesh?

00:48:21.680 Well, I think that the voter integrity laws that some of the states have passed do contain some

00:48:27.780 good things. So, for example, they strengthen voter ID requirements. So they say things like

00:48:33.160 there needs to be more rigorous signature matching, or you can't let a private individual,

00:48:38.120 Mark Zuckerberg, come in with $400 million and essentially muscle these counties and states.

00:48:43.900 Hey, listen, I got a bunch of money to give you, but in order to get it, you got to put in these

00:48:48.420 mail and drop boxes. The media portrayed it like the cities wanted to do it, and Zuckerberg gallantly

00:48:53.640 agreed to pay for it. No, he used his muscle, the financial leverage to make these places do that.

00:48:59.800 So this all created the infrastructure for the heist. And yes, there are important things that

00:49:07.100 can be done to prevent it from happening again. In a weird way, this depends on the Republican Party

00:49:12.100 and the Republican establishment, because if Republicans indulge in there, let's not look

00:49:16.500 over there. We all want to move on. We don't want to really deal with this. We want to be the

00:49:20.680 wildebeest that is eaten last by the lion. If that's the mentality, then we are in deep trouble.

00:49:27.060 But if the Republicans say, what can we do to prevent this the next time? There are

00:49:31.160 lots of simple things that can be done, one of which is just have surveillance on every mail-in drop box.

00:49:37.480 Should be done. Should be done. Dinesh, as always, thank you so much. God bless you. The name of the

00:49:43.220 movie is 2,000 Mules, a must-see.

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