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Dinesh D'Souza and Carol Roth join Glenn on the show to talk about the White House Correspondents Dinner. Glenn also talks about the dangers of Russia's Vladimir Putin going under the knife, and why you should be worried about it.
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Talked a little bit about the history of the White House Correspondents Dinner.
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Who would have guessed that was a pushback from, like, this fascistic, progressive movement.
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Also, we had Carol Roth on talking about your economy.
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Including, he's going under the knife, Vladimir Putin.
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Is there a possibility that maybe, oops, my hand slipped?
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And does this make this better, worse, or about the same?
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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Uh, she is also the author of the book, The War on Small Business.
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Uh, and, um, she's, she worked across all kinds of, uh, industry.
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She's an outsourced CCO, uh, and, uh, a director on public and private company boards as a strategy
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I am doing well, Glenn, and happy National Small Business Week to you.
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You know, um, I never really wanted to start my own business.
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It's not something that I was like, hey, I can't wait to do that.
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Because my dad was a small businessman and it's really tough.
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Uh, and then I did it because I just didn't want to work for clowns.
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I mean, if I want to work for that clown, might as well be me.
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Um, uh, is, is I'm, I'm concerned that small business can't continue in a country where
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Um, or you get the type of entrepreneurs who, uh, are delusional, who think that it's easy.
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Uh, we all know who David Hogg is, um, I believe.
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And, you know, he was complaining on Twitter the other day, how difficult it was.
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He, he tried to set up an LLC and boy, it was so difficult.
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And so, I mean, in a sense, it's almost a good thing.
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It's almost like we should have a training program where anybody who's leaning towards
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socialism is required to start a small business just so they can see how difficult it is.
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Um, but certainly in aversion to risk, um, you know, more consolidation of power that takes
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away the opportunity to innovate and all of the barriers that the government has put up
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to make it more difficult to not only start a small business, but to hire your first employee
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and to allow a small business owner to succeed, um, you know, it is not a good thing for economic
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freedom, which is one of the reasons why people come here from all over the world to try to
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start that business and live the American dream.
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So when the, the Fed is raising the interest rates to try to control inflation, the reason
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why this led to an economic boom in the eighties is because at the same time, the government
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said, forget all this regulation, just go out and start a business right without that part
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of the Reagan, uh, plan raising interest rates while piling new regulation on that's really
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I mean, if you think about the Fed's options here and what they're trying to do in terms
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of slowing down the economy, um, you know, given the backdrop that we have of this messed
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up labor market and supply chain, I mean, the only way you're really getting a slower economy,
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uh, in my opinion, is if small businesses and to some extent, big businesses, you know, just
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And I think the small businesses, since they've had such a hard time hiring, you know, can't
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survive or, you know, other things that make it very difficult for a small business to survive.
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So the well-capitalized big businesses are going to be able to withstand this roller coaster,
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And they will coast through, um, you know, come out the other end.
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And the small businesses that have been beaten up, you know, have been closed, didn't get
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the relief funds and, you know, haven't been able to take advantage of that, uh, free debt
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because they're smaller in scale are really the ones that are going to suffer from all of this.
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Um, so I, I, if I read this one more time, my head will pop.
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I keep reading that the economy is, I mean, people are spending money like it's, there's
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no tomorrow because the average American just has so much money in their bank account.
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Uh, common sense will tell you that's not true.
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So the average, and we've talked about before, average is not necessarily the median.
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It's often dragged up by the wealthy at the top end, but the average American is in better
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shape going into this potential recession or stagflation or whatever, whatever it is that
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we're, we're about to face and kind of in the middle of, then they have been in other
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recessions. Um, the personal saving rates is around, I think 6.2, 6.3% um, as of the end
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of March, which was the last number that came out. Now that is worse than where we were in
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2019 and 2020 going in, um, you know, to the pandemic decisions, but it's not sort of horrible
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on a historic level. We had people pay down a lot of their credit card debt, um, you know,
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with the relief funds and whatnot, since they were staying home during the pandemic. Now that's
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starting to creep back up again. So today they are in better shape, but the trajectory, particularly
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with the inflation, as we know, um, is eating away at that. So I would imagine that the personal
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saving rate will continue to decline. We will continue to see balances increase on, on their credit
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cards. And at some point, um, the consumer won't have that strength in their balance sheet and
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probably will also be making decisions to just punt certain expenditures because their core
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expenditures of living every single day have gone through the roof. So we had some questions come
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in from the audience and I, I want to go over a couple of them. Steve and Mary wrote in, you can write
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in by the way, glennbeck.com slash question. Um, I keep hearing about food shortages. Some say that
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famine is coming. My wife and I keep arguing back and forth. She says, this is really the rest of the
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world and not us. Yes. Food will be more expensive because of inflation, but we won't have shortages.
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Which one of us is right? Um, so probably splitting that down the middle. Certainly there is a ginormous
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crisis across the globe. Um, we heard that clip that you played from the fantastic Samantha Power,
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who doesn't seem to care that potentially, you know, 40 to 65% of the world could be food insecure or,
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you know, face starvation because, you know, we don't have enough fertilizer. Um, certainly we are
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in a better position in the United States, but it depends on things going the right way. I mean,
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we've seen that we had, you know, a bout of avion flu that we had to contend with, you know, it depends
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on crop yields. It depends on our government, not just doing stupid things. I mean, we, we're seeing,
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um, them pulling, you know, feed out of, uh, you know, uh, of the farm in order to put it into
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gasoline so that they don't have to drill for more oil. I mean, they, they don't make the best
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decision. So I wouldn't say that there isn't a possibility that we're going to have issues here.
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Cause I think there is that possibility. It just probably isn't as stark as it is in the rest of the
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world. That being said, um, nobody's ever been upset for being too prepared. So be prepared for
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that. Worst case scenario. Uh, Ron in New York wrote, uh, I think my job is secure, but so did my
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grandfather or my great grandfather during the great depression. How do we know what's coming?
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What is the difference and how do we prepare? Is it smart for me to buy a house at this point?
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So again, this is not financial advice, just some food for thought for you. Um, it really depends
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on your personal financial situation. You know, if you were somebody who's still sort of living
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paycheck to paycheck or building up, um, your reserves, we don't know what is coming down the
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pike. You know, there are a lot of issues. The big thing right now, geopolitically is, you know,
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are these stupid statements from the Biden administration going to pull us into some
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sort of a nuclear war at that point, you know, all bets are off. If we're just looking at sort
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of the inflation picture and the recession, I think the one benefit that we do have is that we have so
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few people in the labor market. Now, granted it may get many people off the sidelines as they see
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their 401ks shrinking, um, and have to deal with more inflation. But if you have a job that you are
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secure in, you are probably in a better position, but it's always good again, to, to kind of think
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through what are your second and third options. What could you do if that worst case scenario comes
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about? And then, you know, again, look at sort of the risk reward on the, the, the home front
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situation. Uh, we are underbuilt as a nation in terms of homes, and that is long-term probably
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going to support housing prices, but it doesn't mean there isn't going to be some variability in
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the meantime, especially with the increase, um, in mortgage rates. So I would just spend a lot of
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time doing the little pros and cons and putting that plan together for your plan B and plan C and,
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I remember my, my parents getting small business, uh, in the seventies, it was a nightmare because
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it was a lot like this. Um, is it good? Do you, what do you, I mean, what do you think is coming?
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Is it like the 1970s? Uh, and it just stays like this? Does it, I mean, nobody knows, you know what I
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mean? No, Americans have no, um, benchmark. Yeah. Yeah. But no benchmark to go back and say it will
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be like this. We've never seen this. No, it, there are just a number of factors that are all coming
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together. And as I said, I think that geopolitical wild card, um, is the, the biggest wild card right
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now, assuming that we can get that piece under control. Cause as I said, if that, that goes off
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the rails, all bets are off here. I think the likelihood is that we see a recession, but because
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of the way the recession has come about, um, and some of the other, you know, weird things that are
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happening in the economy, I think at least in the United States, it's probably a shallower
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recession than we have seen, um, you know, in previous periods. Um, you know, not to say that
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that won't cause real pain for people. It will, um, you know, there will be people probably who lose
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their jobs, uh, small businesses will end up closing, but I don't think, I think that it will
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be shorter in duration, um, you know, than it otherwise would have been if we didn't have some
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of these other structural issues going on at the same time. That's fingers crossed.
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Uh, but you know, there are a number of factors here that the fed between raising rates and
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shrinking their balance sheets, the geopolitical issues and, you know, some of the other kind of
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issues that we're contending with. Um, you know, that, that's just sort of a best guess right now,
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but, but we've got to stay on top of this real time because things could change really quick.
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888-727-BECK is the phone number. Jen in Texas, welcome to the Glenn Beck program.
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Glenn, thank you for taking my call. My question is, um, just recently,
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within the last 30 days or so, my husband completely, my husband and I completely paid
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off our mortgage. Was this a dumb thing to do? Cause now we've, we've, we've totally,
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we're now debt free now, but, and that's a wonderful thing, but now we miss out on that
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tax advantage. So, uh, you know, I have to tell you being debt free is probably the best
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thing you could ever do. But I hear this question, Carol, from so many people, a, I don't get the tax
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advantage. And B, if, uh, if we go into real inflation, doesn't that help me pay down a debt?
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I had use of dollars that are worth a lot more. I mean, they play this game. Can you answer this?
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Yeah. So, I mean, it really depends on, um, you know, how sophisticated you are financially and how
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on top of things you are. I mean, the reality is that for most Americans, you're not going,
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oh, well, you know, on a, on a real interest rate basis, this is a negative interest rate on my
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house. And I'm really glad I have this capital to do these other things. I never think it's a bad
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thing to get rid of your debt because that's just money that's going out the window. And unless you
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have some other great investment that is replacing that same kind of return. Um, and right now, like,
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I'm just not sure where you're getting that. Um, you know, we're having that the stock market
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is in turmoil. You certainly aren't getting that in your bank accounts. So, you know, now you have
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it in that asset. You don't have to worry about it. You're not putting that, you know, extra money
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out, um, each month. And then on the tax benefit side, I mean, you go again, I'm not a tax accountant,
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but you know, they've changed a lot of the rules. Like you're not getting that much of a benefit the
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same way that you used to. They put a lot of caps around these things. Um, so, you know,
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certainly talk to your tax accountant, but you know, from my perspective for just kind of the
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average person who's trying to do the right thing, getting out of debt is a phenomenal,
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phenomenal move. And again, unless, unless you've got some other amazing investment that you know,
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is going to return you more than what it is you're paying on your debt net net. You've won.
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Thank you so much, Jen. I appreciate it. Um, that is the hard thing to, I think for people
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to figure out or to really understand how it's not that prices are going up. It's that your dollar
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is losing value and that causes people to raise prices because their dollar doesn't go as far to
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buy all of the things that they need to buy. Right? Yeah. I mean, if you have a business,
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you have all of your vendors who are, have higher wages, higher costs of inputs. So that means whatever
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it is that they're selling to you is higher in costs. You're contending with higher wages and
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higher operating costs. And you put all of those together and all of a sudden your profit margins,
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which in most industries, you know, aren't that big. Sometimes they're in the single digits,
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um, you know, starts to erode. And so you say, well, I either, I have to pass this on
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to the consumer, or in some cases they shrink the product that they're offering called shrinkflation.
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You know, the, the pizza that you get that, you know, used to be huge, you know, all of a sudden
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kind of looks like it's half the size, um, or they end up going out of business. There are only so many
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different lovers that can be pulled. Um, and that's, you know, that's how it ends up seeping
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through the economy. And it, you know, it's, it's why it ends up impacting all of us and being a
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permanent tax. Carol Roth. She is the author of the war on small business. Um, you can ask her
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anything, uh, that you want. You can, you can follow her on her website at carolroth.com or
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Carol J S Roth, um, uh, on Twitter, but you can ask any questions and we'll have her on again,
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answer questions at glennbeck.com slash question, glennbeck.com slash question. Carol,
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thank you so much. We'll talk to you again. Oh, it's a pleasure. Have a great week. God bless.
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I mean, I don't want to be a worry here. So Stu, I'm just looking to you to, you know, sure.
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So Germany said, you know, we can't, we cannot outright ban, uh, oil from Russia because it would
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destroy Germany's economy and it would destroy the economy on the continent as a whole. And, um,
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now he's changed his mind and he's saying, we're going to stop all oil.
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They've changed their mind on quite a bit recently. Yeah. Yeah. Their entire philosophy of foreign
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affairs for the past multiple decades. Yeah. So nothing to see there. Right. I mean, that's no
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big deal. It's pretty, pretty big deal. Seems like to me. I'm, I'm, Oh, I mean, I'm sorry. Not a big
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deal. Who cares? Right. It's way over there. Right. The thing that's happening that's bad is really far
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away. Right. And they, they changed their mind, as you said, on a lot of things lately. And what
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could that mean? I don't know. I certainly all good things. Of course, you know, I believe it was
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the philosopher Sheryl Crow who said a change will do you good. Amen. So in the last few days, uh,
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Russia, you know, has stopped all the gas supplies, uh, as well. And then again, over the weekend said
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the risk to nuclear war is very real, you know, which I like coming from Putin, who we found out
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now over the weekend does have cancer, does have to go under the knife and he's going CPC for,
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we don't know how long as they do whatever to remove the cancer from him. So you got a guy who
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is probably going to die. Knows he's going to die. Wants to go out with a bang, uh, going under
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the knife. There's a tad bit of speculation in there. We don't know that he's probably going to
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die. I mean, he's going to die someday, I suppose, but we don't know that that's not necessarily the
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belief here, right? The belief is this is just a minor, minor surgery. The fact that it was,
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it would explain all of the actions that have occurred over the past couple of months is
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totally separate. Right. And the fact that like they've had like 56 visits from the radiology
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department, just the 56 though. Yeah. I mean, it's just the 56. That's like saying you think Joe
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Biden is, you know, incoherent, you know, what evidence do you have other than all the evidence,
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you know, it's just the constant stream of evidence. But other than that, what do you have?
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Okay. So, um, he also, uh, said over the weekend that any foreign intervention in Ukraine would
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provoke what he called lightning fast response from Moscow. Now I'm not sure what he deems
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as foreign, um, intervention. I feel like we're pretty involved now. We don't have troops
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theoretically on the ground in the country. We don't seem to be firing these weapons ourselves.
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We're just giving them to the people next to us who are firing them themselves. In all seriousness,
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Glenn, if you were, how would you take this? If Russia was doing this to us in another country,
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if we were in the middle of the Iraq war, let's say, and Russia is not only doing things,
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which we know they were involved in some of the Afghanistan and we know they had involvement,
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but they weren't doing press conferences every day bragging about how they were sending weapons
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to, we've, we've donated 10,000 IEDs to the resistance in Iraq and they've killed all of
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We would not be thrilled about it. Now I, I'm not saying that it's insane to help.
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I do think it's insane to keep talking about it. I don't understand why we're announcing that we're
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sending them weapons. I'm kind of with you on that one. Let there be an air of mystery as to where
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these weapons came from. Yep. You know, we, we officially Israel does not have nuclear weapons.
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And when we're asked about that, we say, what, what are, I don't even know what weapons you're
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talking about. What country are you talking about? And that should be the appropriate response to
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this is, I'm not sure what you mean. That's what, when someone asks you, are you sending weapons into
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Ukraine to kill Russian soldiers? You'd say, I don't know what you mean. Is there something going
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So they had a bloodbath this weekend in Ukraine. I mean, if things did not go well for Russia
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again this weekend, and they are just a few days away from, uh, may 9th. Yeah. Which is a big day
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for them. Big day. Uh, that's called victory day. And they don't want to have record numbers of
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soldiers coming home in body bags on victory day. Uh, so, uh, that would be suboptimal be suboptimal
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for them and probably for us. Meanwhile, uh, the military, uh, has now gotten an order at least,
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I shouldn't, I shouldn't say this, uh, representative Kinzinger, uh, said on, I don't know, ABC or
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whatever this weekend, something that nobody was watching that he has, he's now drafted a bill and
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it's gone to Congress to authorize the president. So he has better flexibility. Uh, believe me,
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that guy hasn't been flexible in a long time. Um, if they use weapons of mass destruction of any kind,
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the president has a right to go to war. I totally trust Joe Biden's judgment on this important
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matter. Yeah. I don't think we should just write that check. No. And, and I don't think that will
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happen by the way. I don't think Kinzinger is, is out on his own on this one for the most part.
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I don't know. It could change. I mean, look, you know, if they actually use, which by the way,
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there's no evidence they're going to use chemical weapons in, in Ukraine. I mean, they may,
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I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be stunned if Vladimir Putin did it. But remember, even in Syria,
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it, they, they, they did what we did, right? Where we're, we're doing in Ukraine right now.
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We're, they kind of stood around and backed up the Syrians, but the Syrians were the ones using
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the chemical weapons. They didn't even use them there. Uh, now look, I, that's, you know,
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doesn't mean they won't do it here. I would not be stunned if Vladimir Putin did something else
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crazy. He's a, well, he does seem to be losing badly. Yeah. And one of the things that's
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interesting about the structure of this war with us giving them all these weapons, which we can talk
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about because they publicly announced it. Oh, have you heard about the Phoenix ghost kamikaze
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drones we've sent? Yes. Yes. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Let's get that on the front page. What's
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interesting here is that Russia has a pretty strong military, but not as strong as maybe we believed
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beforehand, but it is what it is, right? They've had a lot of their important people killed. A lot
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of their best soldiers killed, a lot of their weapons utilized already. They're constantly,
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I mean, there's all sorts of rumors of them pulling people off the streets basically for this effort.
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So their military is getting worse as this goes on. The opposite is happening with the Ukrainian
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military. It's getting stronger because we keep sending them hundreds of millions of dollars of
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brand new shiny weapons. So their, their resistance is actually increasing in its ability
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to execute the war, which we've seen happen over just the past week where now targets inside of
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Russia, Russia, inside Russian borders are being hit by Ukrainians with missiles and drones sent to
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them by Western countries. Again, on military installations, not, not targeting civilians like
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the Russians are doing in many places across Ukraine, but still, again, you know, this is a,
00:26:59.580
this is a country who went to its people this week and said, Hey, you know, Adolf Hitler was probably
00:27:05.900
Jewish. Seriously, this is what they're saying. They do not need a lot of justification to, to,
00:27:12.640
to do all sorts of crazy things. And they will, you clearly would utilize this for their own
00:27:20.440
propaganda purposes and have honestly, what you would probably consider if you were completely
00:27:25.180
neutral in this battle as a good argument that we are involved in this, that we are helping their
00:27:31.800
soldiers die. And while I agree that they should not be able to roll over the border of Ukraine and,
00:27:39.280
you know, kill tons of civilians like they're doing, I can understand why the Russian people are looking
00:27:46.340
at this and saying, wait a minute, we just had a special military operation going on here. And now
00:27:51.600
they're hitting us inside of our borders with, with missiles and drones from the United States of
00:27:56.600
America. It shows they want regime, regime change. Well, and you know, we've also added something really
00:28:02.440
super, uh, special. There's a, now I think two or three countries that are like, uh, it's, I know
00:28:07.300
it's Sweden and Finland who have now said, you know what, we really, we really want in on that NATO
00:28:12.420
thing. Oh, that's good. That's good. So we got them, uh, as well. So now that's going to make the
00:28:20.660
Russians even more convinced. I mean, I, you know, look, I think peace through strength, but I also think
00:28:28.760
you also have to look at your enemy and I think our enemy is wounded and a nuts, absolutely nuts.
00:28:36.580
Yeah. And think of that. We've talked about this a lot in the framework of Islamic extremism when it
00:28:41.880
comes to humiliation, that factor, that is one of the most important things to Vladimir Putin and
00:28:46.820
Russia. That's had been his entire desire this entire time. They've been, they were humiliated by
00:28:51.780
what happened with the fall of the communist regime. We need to bring ourself back, not even to
00:28:55.860
communism, but back to the czar days. Right. And he, when, if this goes the way it's going,
00:29:03.520
this country, they thought they could roll over and be welcomed as liberators. If it goes the way
00:29:08.180
it's going, he is not going to just take it sitting down unless he's under from cancer surgery. That's
00:29:14.860
the only way that happens. And man, I, you know, the possibilities here are ugly. Do you know what
00:29:22.800
bothers me is the, the press whipping everybody up into a frenzy? That's what I don't like. There's,
00:29:29.860
and this is from a friendly, you know, conservative paper, Washington Examiner. Russia is upping its
00:29:35.340
World War III rhetoric. Vladimir Putin has threatened any nation that directly intervenes in Ukraine with
00:29:40.660
retaliation via strategic weapons, strategic meaning nuclear. At the same time, Russian foreign
00:29:46.580
minister, Sergey Lavrov says the risks of nuclear war are now very significant. Russian state media,
00:29:53.360
prominent commentators this week suggested that nuclear war with the West wouldn't be too problematic
00:29:58.740
because the Russians would go to heaven, whereas Westerners would just die. Yet this is not the time
00:30:05.200
to bow before Russian threats. Indeed, Biden must respond to Russian aggression forcefully. This moment
00:30:12.580
is also shaping a message about what America and by association, what the free world will tolerate in
00:30:18.800
the 21st century. If Biden waivers, he will be sacrificing the relative peace and cooperation
00:30:24.480
that was hard won in World War II. So he's going on, um, there, this, this writer is going on,
00:30:32.680
do Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Mark Milley, like their forebears in World War II, share a willingness to
00:30:40.840
stare down the threat and to win. I think this is a really important discussion, but does it feel
00:30:48.460
like this is a discussion that Americans are having? No, it feels like it's happening in the ether up
00:30:56.700
with the elites and we're not really engaged in it. I think a lot of people just see this as this,
00:31:04.520
you know, this thing that's far over there and not really our concern. We need to be worried about
00:31:08.480
what's going on here. And we do, there's a lot to worry about here. We have a completely
00:31:12.480
incoherent president, a massive inflation, the border situations out of control, CRT, uh, gender
00:31:19.320
stuff. All of this is real and a big problem. When you talk about the entire human civilization and it
00:31:26.380
is existence, this problem is right there. And especially since, you know, you never want an
00:31:32.760
emergency to go to waste. Yeah. The things that can be enacted and done during a massive war are
00:31:41.420
staggering and you never come back from them. When you're looking at a, a party that is acting as
00:31:49.460
reckless as they are, not listening to the average American, not watching the poll numbers, and they are
00:31:56.660
just going over the cliff with our finances, uh, with our dollar, with freedoms, all of these things.
00:32:05.640
They, these chickens are coming home to roost and what is their plan? Yeah. It's scary because if
00:32:14.140
everyone acts somewhat reasonably here, meaning like logically you could see this escalating out of
00:32:20.580
control, each side has reason to believe the other side is acting aggressively. And I remember the
00:32:27.340
Breonna Taylor situation where she was shot was one of the black lives matter things. When you look at
00:32:31.880
that situation in depth, one thing you notice is both sides acted really logically for what happened
00:32:38.440
in the moment. The police came to the door. They had a warrant to go in. They believe something was
00:32:42.540
going on. They, they, they banged through the door. The guy has a legal permit. He wakes up in the
00:32:48.140
middle of the night. What are you going to do in that situation? You're going to shoot the guy
00:32:51.240
who's breaking into your room. Yep. The police officer gets shot. Well, of course the police
00:32:58.280
officer is going to fire back into the room and then Breonna Taylor gets hit. Totally logical on
00:33:02.260
both sides. On both sides. Every action, except for the, maybe the idea that the warrant should have
00:33:07.380
not been presented that way, but that was a decision made before the interaction happened. Kind of the
00:33:12.180
same thing here. You know, Russia makes, I think an irrational decision in, in, in going into Ukraine,
00:33:17.520
but it's setting off a bunch of series of, a series of actions of people acting relatively
00:33:22.720
logically for the moment that keeps escalating the situation. And that's where real danger lies.
00:33:45.120
I'm doing great. Thank you. Very excited about this movie, uh, which is, will be seen for the
00:33:53.420
So, uh, I know so many people who have, uh, seen it. I've seen it. People are talking about it.
00:34:00.860
I wanted to go over with you, uh, some of the things that you would hear, uh, from friends that
00:34:08.180
are just tired of hearing about the election being stolen on the other side. So, um, tell me first of
00:34:14.920
all, um, the, the theory that you are, uh, proposing and what you found.
00:34:21.600
Sure. So the, um, the foil, the thing we're arguing against is the mantra that this was the
00:34:30.280
most secure election in history. This is dogmatically asserted pretty much everywhere you
00:34:35.880
look. And it's the basis for calling disputes about the election to be a big lie. It's also the
00:34:41.640
basis for digital censorship. So a lot is riding on this claim. And, um, I work in this film with a,
00:34:49.500
uh, group, an election intelligence group that is called true the vote. Um, and at the time when
00:34:55.300
lots of charges of fraud were flying around, many of them sincerely meant, but unsubstantiated
00:35:01.360
true, the vote got a kind of a genius idea, which was let us test a hypothesis. And the hypothesis is
00:35:09.220
that if the Democrats are going to cheat, they're going to cheat exactly where the rules changed.
00:35:14.340
In other words, it's kind of like saying that there were new vulnerabilities created by
00:35:17.620
the sudden mushrooming of all these mail and drop boxes, the mailing of not just millions,
00:35:23.260
tens of millions of mail out ballots. So if it's going to happen, it doesn't mean it did happen,
00:35:28.360
but if it did happen, this is probably how it would happen. And so what true the vote did is they
00:35:33.120
bought, um, cell phone geospatial data, which is cell phone geo tracking in all the key areas where
00:35:41.100
the election was decided, Atlanta, Georgia, Phoenix, Arizona, Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia,
00:35:47.780
10 trillion pings of cell phones. And our cell phone Glenn has apps that enable the exact location
00:35:56.440
in a given moment of time to be known about that phone. And if you buy the cell phone data,
00:36:01.240
you can track the movement of phones. By the way, this is used by law enforcement. It's used by
00:36:06.160
intelligence agencies. Um, frankly, if you walk into a mall and you get a notification saying,
00:36:11.580
Hey, there's a special at the Apple store. Well, how they know you're there, they're tracking your
00:36:15.780
phone. So it's this exact same technology. And what true the vote did is they ran a search algorithm
00:36:21.640
and they were looking for mules. Now what's a mule, a paid political operative hired to deliver
00:36:27.900
fraudulent votes to mail in drop boxes, by the way, typically in the middle of the night.
00:36:33.020
And they were looking for mules who went to 10 or more drop boxes. Now this is key.
00:36:38.040
And it's key because you might have a legitimate reason to go to two drop boxes, right? You went to
00:36:42.580
one, you dropped off your ballot, you went to the second. And by mistake, you just had to tie your
00:36:47.080
shoelace. And so you're found at the second location, but who has a rational reason to go to
00:36:53.000
10 or more drop boxes? So the idea is let's try to catch the most egregious or most industrious mules.
00:37:00.400
And in these five areas that I mentioned, there are at least 2,000 mules. That's where I get the
00:37:06.500
title for the movie, 2,000 mules. The actual number of mules is of course much greater because if you
00:37:12.020
look for people who went to five or more drop boxes, the number of mules increases exponentially.
00:37:17.760
So that's the first line of evidence. It's geo-tracking. The second line of evidence is surveillance
00:37:22.900
video. And we're talking here not about some guy in his truck, you know, turning on his iPhone and
00:37:28.780
capturing some guy dumping ballots. No, we're talking about the official surveillance video
00:37:33.820
from the states themselves and what it shows. And this is probably the highlight of the movie.
00:37:39.900
It's almost eerie. You can be, you're taken back to the days leading up to the election,
00:37:44.740
early voting election day. You can see these criminals and they are criminals jumping out of
00:37:50.280
their car. They look to the left and right, make sure no one's looking. And then they start dumping
00:37:54.560
these ballots into mail and drop boxes. So we've, we, in a sense, the audience can see the crime
00:37:59.760
being committed. They become eyewitnesses to a coordinated network of illegal ballot trafficking.
00:38:07.340
So they, I mean, I was shocked to see, I mean, wearing gloves, they know exactly what they're doing.
00:38:13.480
They know exactly what they're doing. And so do you, uh, just by watching, just by watching.
00:38:18.680
And, you know, initially when I saw the gloves, I thought, could it be, could it be that these
00:38:23.640
mules are wearing gloves because of COVID? They don't want to touch the drop box, but then this
00:38:28.020
is what crushes it. You realize that the mules initially aren't wearing gloves. And then what
00:38:33.500
happens is there's a big arrest in Arizona where the FBI bussed some people for illegal vote dumping,
00:38:39.620
the ballot harvesting, and the FBI was able to find their fingerprints on multiple ballots.
00:38:44.580
The moment that happened, the mules start wearing gloves. So the word goes out among these left-wing
00:38:49.960
organizations that deploy the mules, wear gloves. That way you don't leave your fingerprints on the
00:38:54.680
ballot. So very often when you're trying to decide whether to believe a theory, it's little details
00:38:59.860
like this. You also know from seeing the movie client, people taking photos of the ballots being
00:39:05.080
dropped in, not a selfie, not sort of a, I voted, but who takes photos of themselves putting in
00:39:11.060
multiple ballots if not to show their employers, hey, I was there, I did the work, I need to get
00:39:16.080
paid. So let me just go through this. I'm quoting the Washington Post. So let's walk through this.
00:39:24.120
First, the changes in the rules that were allowed, that allowed the election heist, they have those
00:39:29.900
in quotes, they are changes that were made, that made it easier to vote. That's at the heart of
00:39:35.840
D'Souza's complaint, and the Trump allies broadly. Often the allegation isn't that fraudulent ballots
00:39:41.920
were cast, but just that the Democrats made it easier to vote, and that was the election theft.
00:39:48.100
It's like complaining that your computer sold more widgets illegally because it lowered its prices.
00:39:58.380
That's not our case at all. What he's saying is something like this.
00:40:01.780
You have a bank, and what the Democrats have done is they have made sure by filing lawsuits that the
00:40:08.020
security guards get three hours off every night, and they turn off the surveillance video when they
00:40:14.320
take a break, and they've told the tellers, don't be too rigorous about matching signatures, just make
00:40:19.520
sure that the scrawl is roughly similar. So now I agree with the Washington Post that that does not
00:40:25.800
prove a heist. That simply proves that the bank is more vulnerable to a heist. The beauty of our
00:40:31.600
movie is we don't just show the vulnerability, we actually show the heist.
00:40:36.000
So he says, the writer, then D'Souza crosses a bright line in his allegation. He's not saying
00:40:42.160
that those collecting ballots and submitting there were violating state laws. He's saying that the
00:40:46.600
ballots themselves were fraudulent, that this amounted to hundreds of thousands of illegal
00:40:51.440
votes. If he has evidence to this, he's cracked the voter fraud thing wide open, but there's no
00:41:00.580
Right. So actually, Philip Bump, the guy who wrote this article, has not seen the movie. In fact,
00:41:06.340
he's been begging me to give him an advance copy of the movie. I'll probably send him one today.
00:41:11.080
Here's what he's saying, and it's a little bit of guesswork on his part. What he's basically saying
00:41:16.160
is that there is a difference. What he's saying is that vote harvesting, which is essentially giving
00:41:22.240
your ballot to somebody else to return it, is legal under some circumstances. And that's true.
00:41:29.180
26 or so states allow some form of vote harvesting. Now, California, which has not surprisingly the
00:41:36.400
most liberal law, you can give your ballot, Glenn, to anyone and say, hey, you return it. You drop it
00:41:42.240
And that would explain people coming with a whole bunch of ballots. I just collected them from
00:41:49.300
Exactly. Exactly. Now, in the five states we're talking about, the rules are not like that. None
00:41:54.240
of them allow that kind of unlimited harvesting. So in Georgia, for example, this is pretty typical.
00:41:59.840
You can give your ballot to a family member or if you are in a confined facility to a caregiver,
00:42:06.380
but not to anyone else. It is strictly forbidden. I can't give my ballot in Georgia to my neighbor
00:42:12.400
and say, drop it off. Now, even though those laws vary a little bit from state to state,
00:42:17.460
here's the crushing key point. In no state is it legal to pay anyone, let alone a mule,
00:42:23.820
to go deliver a ballot. The moment that money changes hands, you have corrupted the process.
00:42:29.240
So even in California, if I say to my neighbor, hey, Tom, go drop off my ballot. No problem.
00:42:33.940
Hey, Tom, go drop off my ballot. And here's a hundred bucks to do it. That becomes a fraudulent
00:42:39.580
vote, an illegal vote. It cannot and must not be counted.
00:42:42.560
I'm going to quote from the thing again. What's more, even true. The vote doesn't allege the
00:42:48.460
ballots themselves were fraudulent when the website just the news covered the Georgia story.
00:42:52.540
It noted that true to vote was not making such a claim when true. The vote representatives
00:42:57.440
testified in front of Wisconsin legislative committee. The group's Catherine Engelbrecht said
00:43:01.860
so publicly. I want to make it clear. We're not suggesting the ballots were cast were illegal ballots.
00:43:07.960
What we're saying is the process was abused. It's the difference between making and selling a product
00:43:13.200
legally and have someone smuggle that product into another country without your realizing it.
00:43:19.200
If D'Souza's film shows that the ballots were fraudulent, that's a massive deal one would assume
00:43:24.140
would have to quickly be presented to law enforcement. But there's been no such investigation.
00:43:29.220
And the group of the group whose data he's using says that's not what happened.
00:43:34.420
That suggests, then, that D'Souza's claim to Kudlow is not backed up, that the 400,000 illegal votes,
00:43:41.800
itself a remarkable assertion of scale, were not that.
00:43:47.300
So I think what's going on here is that Philip Bump is confusing the difference between a fraudulent
00:43:56.540
ballot and a ballot fraudulently cast. Here's what I mean.
00:44:01.660
No one is claiming, and True the Vote is not claiming, and this is the distinction they're
00:44:05.980
trying to make. No one is saying that the actual ballot, the piece of paper, is fraudulent. In
00:44:11.040
other words, they're not saying that somebody went to a high-quality copying machine and made
00:44:15.580
hundreds of thousands of ballots. That would be a fraudulent physical ballot. What they are saying
00:44:22.500
is that these ballots are not legal votes. And the way we know this, by the way, is you look at
00:44:29.320
these non-profit organizations. And it's worth mentioning here, by the way, that many of these
00:44:35.820
so-called 501c3 organizations are strictly forbidden by law and by IRS rules from engaging in any kind of
00:44:44.600
explicit electioneering. They can urge people generically to go out and vote, but the idea that
00:44:50.520
they campaign or they collect votes for the Democrats or they try to advance a candidate
00:44:55.340
or a party, this is strictly forbidden. So here's the question. How would 400,000 legal votes
00:45:01.400
somehow end up in the hands of these far left-wing groups that would then need to hire mules to go
00:45:08.220
out in the middle of the night and secretly dump them? Why would they act in that manner if these
00:45:12.980
were legitimate votes, plausibly picked up? They just got them from people who said, yeah, here's my vote.
00:45:17.920
You drop it off. Somehow they ended up with hundreds of thousands of these votes.
00:45:22.660
Then the question becomes, why hire the mules? So the other thing about this is, Glenn, is that this
00:45:29.580
can be easily resolved, this ambiguity, if you will, by federal agents raiding these non-profit centers,
00:45:36.740
by cops arresting the mules. And all you have to ask them is, where did you get the ballots?
00:45:42.140
Who gave them to you? Where did they get them? Who paid you? Who organized this operation?
00:45:47.480
Obviously, we're not law enforcement. We can't do that in the movie. That's the logical next step.
00:45:53.100
But it's ridiculous to say, since we don't know where an individual ballot came from. It's kind of
00:45:58.120
like if I were to show you a murder, and I'm actually showing you the murder. And then the
00:46:02.740
Washington Post is like, but where did he buy the gun? Where did he get the gun? And I'm like,
00:46:06.620
there are 10 gun stores that he could have gotten from any of those. They're like, yeah,
00:46:10.020
but if he can't prove which gun store he went to, all he's saying is, he can't show you where the
00:46:15.980
ballot came from, or where, in this case, the gun came from. True, but there's an easy way to take
00:46:20.780
that next step. And it's called law enforcement needs to spring into action.
00:46:25.240
We're here with Dinesh D'Souja talking about his new movie. Dinesh, I'm curious if,
00:46:29.540
because you're talking about the prosecution of real standing laws, laws that are on the books.
00:46:34.620
Is there a little tiny bit of motivation here that just, because the only time I can think of
00:46:41.600
anybody going after any of these laws is when they came after you. And then here's a real
00:46:46.440
situation where an election might be on the line, and people are very worried about the integrity
00:46:50.500
of the election. And here, they don't seem to have any interest in it whatsoever.
00:46:56.360
One of the most fascinating questions for me is going to be, what comes next? You know,
00:47:00.880
here's this movie. And by the way, you know, in my earlier movies, I always took a certain pleasure
00:47:05.100
in people standing up and applauding in the theater when the movie ended. That's not going
00:47:09.420
to happen here. I predicted tonight, and then Wednesday night, when we do our second theatrical
00:47:13.660
showing, be dead silence in the theater as people sort of take it in, because we do a very careful
00:47:19.480
computational math. In other words, it's not just 400,000 illegal votes, therefore the election
00:47:24.640
was stolen. No, you have to look at each individual state and see if the volume of fraud was large
00:47:30.340
enough to have moved that state from one camp into the other camp. So all of this is in the movie.
00:47:35.740
And it puts us into constitutionally uncharted territory, because while the Constitution lays
00:47:40.540
out a procedure, the electors vote, both houses of Congress affirm and ratify, the president is
00:47:45.820
inaugurated. The Constitution does not contemplate what happens if it comes out later, that the guy in
00:47:51.620
the White House got there because of not episodic, but coordinated planned fraud in the key states.
00:47:58.380
It's never happened before in American history, as far as I know.
00:48:01.640
So when we're looking at this, you know, the real reason, because the Constitution doesn't say this,
00:48:08.460
you know, what we do in this case, but it can help us make sure the midterms and the next
00:48:15.460
presidential election, this doesn't happen. Where do we stand on any of that, Dinesh?
00:48:21.680
Well, I think that the voter integrity laws that some of the states have passed do contain some
00:48:27.780
good things. So, for example, they strengthen voter ID requirements. So they say things like
00:48:33.160
there needs to be more rigorous signature matching, or you can't let a private individual,
00:48:38.120
Mark Zuckerberg, come in with $400 million and essentially muscle these counties and states.
00:48:43.900
Hey, listen, I got a bunch of money to give you, but in order to get it, you got to put in these
00:48:48.420
mail and drop boxes. The media portrayed it like the cities wanted to do it, and Zuckerberg gallantly
00:48:53.640
agreed to pay for it. No, he used his muscle, the financial leverage to make these places do that.
00:48:59.800
So this all created the infrastructure for the heist. And yes, there are important things that
00:49:07.100
can be done to prevent it from happening again. In a weird way, this depends on the Republican Party
00:49:12.100
and the Republican establishment, because if Republicans indulge in there, let's not look
00:49:16.500
over there. We all want to move on. We don't want to really deal with this. We want to be the
00:49:20.680
wildebeest that is eaten last by the lion. If that's the mentality, then we are in deep trouble.
00:49:27.060
But if the Republicans say, what can we do to prevent this the next time? There are
00:49:31.160
lots of simple things that can be done, one of which is just have surveillance on every mail-in drop box.
00:49:37.480
Should be done. Should be done. Dinesh, as always, thank you so much. God bless you. The name of the