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00:00:00.000 hey today is a really great broadcast uh pat tells me that it includes frivolity uh which i

00:00:06.680 don't even know what that is but it's it's included in today's podcast we spend um some time with a

00:00:13.880 woman who has written the book about how small businesses are getting screwed and how the little 1.00

00:00:20.600 guy is losing his ability to actually control his life and grow wealth you don't want to miss this

00:00:28.140 uh today's uh today's episode also we we tell you about a miracle a woman in a woman's prison in 0.99

00:00:37.800 california has had i guess sex with another woman who was just transferred yes from the from the 1.00

00:00:46.820 male facility because well she identifies it was a woman so she's a woman and the other woman is 0.96

00:00:51.940 is now pregnant we i mean what would explain that we just don't know and the answer

00:01:00.880 to what we need to do it comes from ben and jerry's and i'll tell you that on today's podcast

00:01:08.320 you're listening to the best of the blend back program

00:01:19.500 i want to talk to you a little bit about what's happening on our streets first in minneapolis

00:01:27.000 uh they are um looked at all of the donations that are coming from uh you know local citizens

00:01:35.820 uh to defund the police to support that movement and most of the uh donations coming from out of state

00:01:43.780 which is weird and moveon.org is providing a lot of that money who is funding all of this

00:01:52.960 where who why is moveon.org doing this uh and where do they get their money for this and what is their

00:02:01.360 intent i want to show you something that just happened in seattle um this is um this is a video of a

00:02:12.540 of a kid

00:02:13.740 who goes by caliber visuals online don't know his name he's a freelance photographer he's 22 years old

00:02:22.520 he was in the mount baker section of uh seattle do we have the video here he is watch this pad he's out

00:02:31.700 on the street um there he's walking and he sees another guy coming up to him uh and he stops and

00:02:39.500 the guy he puts his hand out they shake hands and then the guy won't let him loose and then he just

00:02:47.160 starts he puts him down on the ground throws him down the ground violently and then just starts

00:02:51.240 kicking him in the head and i mean full force stomping on his head and then kicking him until 0.87

00:02:59.340 he's down then he kicks him a second time and then boom one last time kicks him unconscious yeah 0.90

00:03:04.700 uh the kid is still uh coughing up blood today he was um it was reported to police somebody was

00:03:15.600 watching this so disturbing

00:03:19.900 but so far they don't they haven't arrested anyone

00:03:24.480 that is that's what you have in seattle now

00:03:29.120 let me show you a video from this weekend

00:03:32.800 uh a video in portland

00:03:36.160 uh that happened as

00:03:38.680 a group of christians were gathered to pray

00:03:41.500 on the waterfront

00:03:42.640 and antifa showed up

00:03:45.800 and they showed up dressed in black uh and uh they were confronting the worshipers do we have

00:03:55.180 to have the video there it is

00:03:56.500 now look how many are dressed in black peace to you in jesus name

00:04:01.500 knock him out

00:04:06.020 hey come on now

00:04:07.680 get back get back

00:04:08.900 look at this

00:04:09.480 they're just asking for peace

00:04:11.720 we're good we're good we're good we're good

00:04:17.900 so look at all of the antifa people

00:04:21.760 in the name of jesus amen

00:04:23.480 so they they threw a flash bomb into the group of kids who were out there

00:04:32.940 um they started saying all sorts of things and following it in g in the name of jesus because that's what the the people were

00:04:42.120 uh the christians were saying um yeah it is it is really bad by the way

00:04:50.020 police were there they turned on the siren but it had absolutely no impact

00:04:55.900 on antifa why would it they're not afraid of the police they know they're not going to do anything

00:05:01.320 and the police did nothing

00:05:04.320 uh there was uh no response from the police no arrests made

00:05:11.920 uh and they said the police said nobody reported any crime that we're aware of

00:05:18.340 so what's happening to us

00:05:20.820 what's happening to us

00:05:22.920 well if you really want to know there is uh a

00:05:27.620 a report out that i think everyone should read and no one is reporting on it

00:05:34.940 it is a report by the major cities chiefs association

00:05:39.060 this is a network of police chiefs

00:05:42.620 all over the united states

00:05:44.780 and uh they surveyed

00:05:48.520 all of the police chiefs

00:05:50.620 for the nature of the 2020 riots

00:05:53.460 now this has just come out so you can understand why nobody's talking about it

00:05:59.080 and when i say just came out it came out in october

00:06:02.820 but it absolutely takes apart everything the media 0.71

00:06:08.440 everything that uh the uh the clowns in washington dc are trying to perpetrate 0.84

00:06:16.680 and say that we are violent and that was the worst attack on on america 0.91

00:06:22.440 you know in our liberty since the civil war

00:06:25.140 no

00:06:26.620 why won't they look into the other protests

00:06:30.620 well we know why

00:06:32.160 one reason is because they helped fund it

00:06:35.800 they helped enable it

00:06:37.560 uh kamala harris

00:06:39.460 put bail money up

00:06:41.460 for all of these people

00:06:42.780 have you seen anybody on the right putting bail money up

00:06:45.600 no i haven't

00:06:47.460 no i am kamala harris did

00:06:50.600 so what do you find

00:06:54.360 well in this chiefs report

00:06:57.480 they found clear evidence of nationwide coordination for violent protests

00:07:02.320 i want to in fact i want to read right from the report

00:07:06.500 on uh on what they found

00:07:09.280 because it is

00:07:10.120 it's interesting about the weapons

00:07:12.600 about uh you know what the percentages were

00:07:15.500 of violent and non-violent

00:07:17.460 because remember

00:07:18.100 that's what we're supposed to believe

00:07:20.540 that this was all

00:07:21.740 really non-violent

00:07:24.260 non-violent

00:07:25.440 well

00:07:26.200 was it

00:07:27.380 the weekend of may 29th to the following monday june 1st

00:07:30.760 was by far the most violent for any major city law enforcement agencies

00:07:34.440 these events had thousands of people in attendance including groups with suspected violent extremist ideologies

00:07:40.520 prepared and coordinated resistance was reported by some agencies and similar tactics such as the use of arson looting barricades caravans and specific types of weapons were seen in major cities nationwide

00:07:56.400 protestors seem to coordinate their movements and actions on these days as if the as uh if the violence and tactics were pre-planned for example across the u.s major city law enforcement agencies reported peaceful protests beginning in the early to late afternoon and violence beginning once it became dark the report confirms the presence of the far left violent extremists and notes that 78 percent of surveyed and the

00:08:26.380 police agencies identified such actors among the protests 51 percent of agencies also identified far right acts actors at some protests unfortunately the report offers no details that would let analysts examine how the authors determined violent actors ideological tendencies no specifics are included in the report

00:08:50.920 uh this is this is this is incredible that this report is even out there that it clearly shows do you know how many people were arrested during those protests for felonies how many people were arrested for felonies can you guess

00:09:14.700 for felonies for felonies for felonies

00:09:18.800 none

00:09:21.300 two thousand seven hundred and thirty five total number of arrests that were for felony charges

00:09:29.340 wow uh-huh wow total number of persons arrested

00:09:35.260 sixteen thousand two hundred and forty one how many have been arrested for

00:09:40.680 washington dc washington dc and they're not felony charges only a couple almost all misdemeanors yeah

00:09:46.820 i i think it's in the 400 range yeah yeah most misdemeanors some felonies

00:09:52.700 two thousand seven hundred and thirty five the highest number of felony arrests for a single police uh troop

00:10:02.100 in a single city was six hundred and thirty nine people arrested for felonies

00:10:08.440 wow for felonies i didn't hear that no i didn't either the the agencies that found uh protesters with

00:10:18.000 violent far-left ideologies 78 percent 78 percent uh if you look at how many people

00:10:28.080 encountered how many agencies encountered people that were not from the town

00:10:34.160 so out of all the protests how many how many police officers said this group over here they're not

00:10:42.720 even from around here they're bust in no i bet a lot 90 percent yeah how many were paid to be there

00:10:51.820 i'm gonna say a lot again 29 percent that's pretty good percentage uh who's paying who's paying

00:10:59.660 yeah because we were told that was ridiculous oh no one was being paid of course these are

00:11:07.040 grassroots protests are they are they now are they um if you want to look this up i think it's really

00:11:15.380 important the major cities chief association the intelligence commanders group uh and it is the

00:11:22.960 report on the 2020 protests and civil unrest it is it is amazing to read amazing to read how many are

00:11:34.860 peaceful how many are violent mostly peaceful nope no not mostly peaceful not mostly peaceful what kind

00:11:44.840 uh what kind of uh what kind of weapons did they have it's all in this report how many are belonging to

00:11:53.000 some organization like an antifa all of it is in this report why is it the media is not interested

00:12:00.720 more importantly why is the federal government not interested in this at all but remember we owe

00:12:11.040 our lives to the policeman that's what joe biden said we owe everything to the policeman then maybe we

00:12:18.460 should read what the police are saying in their own reports hmm i wonder why you're not

00:12:26.080 the best of the glenn beck program

00:12:31.880 my surgeon told me uh last week i've been having face surgery because of cancer on my face

00:12:49.260 and he said to me uh last week i think we're going to get to know each other quite well

00:12:55.160 and he called over the weekend he said i gotta go back in i'm like oh you ready for another round

00:13:00.980 okay bring it on brother let's see how your face looks after this round um but uh i feel the same

00:13:08.860 way without the scalpel the knife or the fight uh or the cancer about carol roth i think we're going

00:13:15.580 to be seeing a lot of her and we will become close friends she is somebody who i absolutely believe

00:13:23.160 gets it on what's coming our way and a voice that needs to be heard her her book is called the war

00:13:30.380 on small business she's here with us now carol welcome glenn thanks so much for having me back

00:13:38.500 and i feel exactly the same way and i promise uh i may bring a scalpel but it's going to be a scalpel

00:13:45.180 on what is going on in financial markets and with the government and decentralization i had two very

00:13:51.700 powerful washington dc people write to me this weekend and say i've never heard of carol roth before

00:13:57.460 she makes everything make sense so let's talk about let's talk about uh what you know where do you

00:14:07.160 want to start well let's just start with the overarching theme of what's been happening

00:14:14.260 over the last call it 16 to 17 months because we have seen the government use the excuse that one

00:14:23.900 person's plight is going to justify disregarding the rights of others that's what they've been doing

00:14:30.220 they have been picking winners and losers they've been deciding who is essential and who is quote

00:14:36.140 unquote non-essential the most horrible thing a government entity could tell a person or a business

00:14:42.460 and they've been doing this not based on data or on science but based on political clout and

00:14:50.260 connections and that has enabled the biggest transfer of wealth that we have ever seen in all of history

00:14:59.240 and it's been going from main street to wall street and the power has been consolidated from the little

00:15:05.460 guys to the big guys in the club and i feel like that is the overarching so let's let let's break that

00:15:12.000 down a little bit by picking winners and losers um they said don't go to your ace hardware store don't go to

00:15:18.840 local hardware store don't go to the the local paint store whatever you've got to go to home depot

00:15:25.380 you you they left these giants open while they closed all of the local businesses

00:15:33.600 absolutely they were the very first if you look at the very first mandates that came out in ohio led

00:15:40.880 the charge on this and a bunch of others followed suit they were all the small entities they were

00:15:46.660 small retailers they were gyms they were restaurants and lo and behold as you said the big guys were able

00:15:53.640 to be open the one that i found just so completely absurd was that you could get your dog's hair and

00:16:00.860 nails groomed but you personally couldn't get your own hair and nails groomed and there was no data or

00:16:08.060 science to say that that was okay and then they doubled down on it so it wasn't like they did this

00:16:13.980 for the 15 days to slow the spread that we're now like 500 days into they continued to double down

00:16:21.700 on that messaging and it got so absurd that later in the year as they started doing reopening you would

00:16:28.060 have places like new york saying oh if you're a bar you need to serve food uh but you know if you have

00:16:34.500 chips that's not good enough you need to serve dip with it so like what's the science behind the fact

00:16:39.960 that the dip protects you from covet so what is your theory on why they did this

00:16:46.340 so this is all about decentralization versus centralized power if you think about the economy

00:16:55.580 and you kind of divide it right down the middle you have half of the economy that is decentralized

00:17:02.460 it looks a lot more like a free market this is the small business side and this before covid was

00:17:08.380 about 30.2 million small businesses that really exemplified the free market the other half of

00:17:16.960 the economy is in the hands of about 10 to 15 thousand big businesses and this goes for gdp and jobs

00:17:24.920 so if you are a politician who is trying to consolidate power you're trying to get more under your purview

00:17:32.600 you're trying to get lobbying dollars you're trying to get more support maybe for your own

00:17:37.980 campaign it's much easier for you to deal with 10 or 15 thousand big companies than it is to try to

00:17:46.900 corral the 30.2 million small businesses so i think that that is the driver but whether you think it's

00:17:55.780 nefarious intentional or incompetent the fact of the matter is that the big government has gotten

00:18:02.260 so big and so out of control that the result would be the same whether or not the intention is that

00:18:07.980 the small businesses are too small to matter or too hard to control so they the what's interesting

00:18:14.360 to me is in 2008 they said these banks are too big to fail which implied we should make sure we support

00:18:24.140 the smaller banks um to you know get these other banks to a pay for their own mistakes and grow uh

00:18:33.780 grow the um the the banking sector if you will grow it out not up and in and it would provide some

00:18:42.480 stability but that's exactly the opposite of what they did and they're doing it seems like they're doing

00:18:48.180 that again this time with small businesses yeah i'm so glad you brought this up this is the perfect

00:18:55.640 example so back in 2007 2008 the banks took on too much risk and that created these horrible

00:19:04.620 consequences for the economy not just here in the u.s but worldwide we all pay the price but as you said

00:19:10.580 they were too big to fail so they got a taxpayer bailout the slap on the risk that they think the slap

00:19:18.060 on the risk that they got was in the terms of legislation dot frank and they said haha we are

00:19:23.920 going to rein in these big banks even though they're too big to fail we know we've got to make

00:19:27.960 sure that that we make room for the little guy but the effect the outgrowth of that legislation

00:19:33.180 is it stopped the formation of small and community banks it put a bunch of smaller players out of

00:19:39.260 business and it completely killed off small business lending at the same time the big businesses now had

00:19:45.620 no competition they also had basically free money from the fed being pumped into the system and so

00:19:51.500 the small bit or the big businesses got bigger and big business lending went through the roof so what

00:19:57.040 was meant to rein in the big banks actually gave them free rein and now contrasting that to what's

00:20:03.960 happened this time small businesses didn't take on too much risk it's not that that they needed a

00:20:10.260 quote-unquote bailout they were mandated shut so compensating them is basically eminent domain

00:20:17.880 their property was taken quote-unquote for the good of society under the constitution and so that's not

00:20:25.440 a bailout that's due compensation but they were told they were too small they were told they were

00:20:30.460 non-essential too small to matter i i've never been uh i'm not a lawsuit guy i hate lawsuits but uh if

00:20:40.560 there is one case that the united states government should uh be sued and pay out unfortunately it would

00:20:49.160 be all of us at the bottom of the ladder that would be paying it so it would just end up hurting us

00:20:54.360 but it is for closing all of these businesses you put all of these businesses out of business you had

00:21:03.540 no right to do it they only did it under duress at first they did it for the first 15 days fine but

00:21:11.020 once they started to say we're not going to make it they would try to open up they couldn't they went

00:21:16.800 out of business whose fault is it it's not theirs it's not their fault it is the federal government's

00:21:24.160 fault and nobody's even really talking that way i know i mean they're gaslighting us these are the

00:21:30.520 two biggest myths that are out there right now is one that we had these full lockdowns and we were

00:21:36.920 all in this together we were not all in this together as we talked about at the top of the hour

00:21:42.780 the big companies were allowed to continue wall street was propped up if you had let you know amazon

00:21:50.140 get closed down if you had had walmart closed down if you had your local liquor store closed down if

00:21:56.120 you had let the stock market uh you actually act like a market and and react to what was happening

00:22:02.560 this wouldn't have lasted you know maybe even two weeks maybe three on the outside so we were not on

00:22:08.280 this together and then in terms of the compensation people say oh well they got ppp relief people don't

00:22:15.140 understand that the amount of ppp relief was not only a fraction of the overall like 6.6 trillion

00:22:24.160 dollars that had been spent on relief but also a fraction of what was needed to shut these businesses

00:22:31.540 down for months and months on end and the real tragedy of this entire thing in addition to obviously

00:22:38.900 the subjugation of the rights is that they wanted to do this right to begin with they could have done

00:22:44.980 compensation right out of the box to small businesses let people stay on the payrolls stay

00:22:51.840 employed it would have cost them about a trillion to a trillion and a half dollars i project based on

00:22:57.020 the numbers and they could have bought themselves several months to figure out mitigation strategies

00:23:02.520 but no that's not what they did this was not something that uh they just gathered in the middle

00:23:10.020 of the night and said we've got to close everything down this is something either the fed or the

00:23:14.280 treasury walked in to the oval office when president trump was the president said here's the plan to

00:23:20.840 do it can you can you talk to me a little bit about how much of this was just you know throw spaghetti

00:23:28.020 at the wall to see what sticks and how much of this was was planned and why would you plan something

00:23:33.980 like this so i always like to follow the markets as a signal and if you look at what happened at the

00:23:40.820 beginning of 2020 and uh you know kind of january into the beginning of february you had the stock

00:23:47.400 markets hitting all-time highs so even though this virus was going on in china and there was a little

00:23:54.720 bit of spread you saw that that the markets here in the u.s said you know we're not really that

00:23:59.640 concerned about it at the very end of february all of a sudden the market took a nosedive and just

00:24:06.640 you know went off a cliff and so you know at the time we were trying to get our heads wrapped around

00:24:13.280 it in retrospect we found out uh through through an article that there was actually a leak that there

00:24:19.500 was a think tank discussion and members of the administration had basically said yeah you know

00:24:24.940 things are starting to trend in this direction in terms of what we're planning to do and so the

00:24:29.900 market got a whiff of this and the insiders were able to sell off before main street of course because

00:24:34.720 that's you know what always seems to happen in our quote-unquote free market um and so you had

00:24:40.380 the fed then come in and say it was going to stabilize the market and started providing support

00:24:47.640 to the market before anything else was done and i thought that that was fascinating the most important

00:24:53.020 thing they felt was to provide support to the market so that kind of tells you all that you need to

00:24:59.180 know and then the administration came out with this 15 days to slow the spread plan uh which was

00:25:06.520 absolute lunacy because it gave the blueprint to all of these governors to make these decisions

00:25:12.320 and ohio was really early on and you know each governor thereafter kind of said well this provides us

00:25:19.540 cover to do the same thing and it started like with this slow power grab almost like testing the

00:25:25.960 waters like can we really get away with this and they just said oh really we can okay we're going

00:25:31.600 to do more and we're going to do more and that sort of ballooned up and then the the government

00:25:36.960 had an opportunity at the federal level to throw a lifeline so they were the ones that could have said

00:25:41.740 well if you're going to do this you know we're going to backstop it and make sure that it's

00:25:46.280 constitutional and make sure that we save these the small guys because that's what we're here to do 0.96

00:25:50.440 and they just chose absolutely not to do that and anybody with half a brain cell could have figured

00:25:56.660 out what was going on um i had raised the issue in march of 2020 before we even knew the numbers

00:26:02.640 because it was so transparent but the way they structured the program the first tranche of the

00:26:08.140 ppp didn't even make it to the tiny small businesses it went to kanye west and tom brady

00:26:14.080 employ mayweather because of the way the government structured it to begin with so it was just kind of

00:26:20.380 you know slow burn could we get away with it and every time they got away with it

00:26:24.760 you know it's like the slow creep it's like this blob that that spreads and takes over everything

00:26:30.080 how much of this is related to um the great reset

00:26:36.100 yeah it's interesting so there's this concept out there from the world economic forum and their

00:26:43.300 projections for 2030 so not that far in the future saying things like

00:26:49.940 you will own nothing and you will be happy which as you as somebody who's uh very focused on property

00:26:56.500 rights scares the bejesus out of me and and we would only have renters and so you know that kind

00:27:03.320 of ties into everything that's going on with the cdc moratorium on evictions which again makes so much

00:27:11.560 sense that a health organization would be setting economic policy outside of congress right and that

00:27:19.560 you've got these small landlords who are basically being thrown to the side making it very difficult

00:27:26.020 for them to keep um the places or even want to keep the places and keep renting knowing that the

00:27:32.660 government can interfere in this direction at the same time that you've got all of this money going to

00:27:38.520 big uh professional investors who are coming in and buying up housing so i don't know if this is uh

00:27:46.180 happening at a global level on a coordinated basis or if they put this idea out there and others

00:27:53.500 acted acted upon it here in the u.s or if it's just a coincidence because at the end of the day

00:27:59.100 big entities want to grab power and that's human nature and that's why we resist central plan i just

00:28:05.740 want to go over what you just said because i don't i don't think people really understand

00:28:09.700 right now prices have gone up through the roof 25 26 percent uh for a new house and that's not just

00:28:18.460 because all of a sudden we're buying again it's because the fed is making money so easy for big people to

00:28:27.760 get that these giant hedge funds are taking the money with no real risk and they're buying up entire

00:28:35.140 neighborhoods entire neighborhoods yeah there's actually a great article in the wall street journal

00:28:41.680 that came out in april talking about this and uh i believe it was a dr horton um neighborhood that

00:28:49.480 instead of selling them to individual investors they sold the entire neighborhood to a hedge fund

00:28:57.120 at twice the price that they would have made selling it to the individuals why would they why would

00:29:04.380 they do that why would they do that

00:29:07.100 you're listening to the best of the glenbeck program

00:29:13.420 several stories i still want to hit um the teachers union head um randy weingarten has uh said

00:29:29.500 they've got to get the kids back into school and she has she has worked hard to she's pledging that

00:29:37.820 the kids are going to come back to school you know as soon as they negotiate the vaccine mandates

00:29:44.460 uh and other uh covet 19 mitigation strategies but as soon as they do that they are ready

00:29:52.080 um you know she says the combination of vaccines i think are a big game changer and uh and it's good

00:29:58.920 but so many kids aren't able to get the vaccine so they have to have the mask mandate mandates

00:30:03.540 you know in schools in schools then there has to be you know test and trace and track and we have to

00:30:10.260 have good ventilation uh we can't be expected to go back to work like the rest of america and do that

00:30:16.900 um and she says you know i i we you know our teachers just want to see more proof on these

00:30:23.440 vaccines and they want to hear from their doctors and um and that's why we have to negotiate these

00:30:28.700 also um you know she reiterated um her union's commitment on teaching political agenda uh you

00:30:37.560 know called history um she said the history that uh you know they're now producing is patriotic

00:30:44.140 it's patriotic for students to uh analyze truth from propaganda and we're just giving them context

00:30:50.560 to analyze what's going on these days and they'll have their own opinions but they need to know what

00:30:55.720 slavery was they need to know why we have the 13th 14th 15th amendment uh you know we need to know the

00:31:01.280 reasons uh for the causes of the insurrection on january 6th and it's our obligation to teach

00:31:06.540 the causes of january 6th so let's just teach them honest history and accurate history and let

00:31:13.880 them draw their own conclusions and by the way stop trying to bullying teachers to keep them from

00:31:19.500 teaching the truth um critical race theory is not being taught in k-12 students that's weird because

00:31:28.120 that's the opposite of what she said several times in virginia an elementary school shared on its website

00:31:34.300 and then removed a radical educational video in during the summer that suggests police are dangerous to

00:31:42.160 be around now uh again this is an elementary school this was for kindergartens uh classes

00:31:50.420 and students uh and uh in the clip woke kindergarten uh safe i feel safe when there are no police

00:32:02.020 that's that's uh that's weird that's weird now a lot of people are standing up again against it in

00:32:10.540 virginia they've just about had enough of it um and we're watching those parents and what's happening

00:32:16.140 in virginia uh but there's also a mom that is in rhode island and she just wanted to know what the

00:32:24.040 teachers were going to teach her daughter well it has been interesting uh to watch we've had her on

00:32:30.440 before and uh you know they they said well we can give you all that information but i think it was

00:32:36.260 seventy five thousand dollars uh to be able to get all of that information they had to charge her that

00:32:41.400 just to tell her what they were going to teach she uh didn't do it and now the uh teachers union is now

00:32:49.820 suing this mother for asking questions about crt the curriculum at her daughter's school we decided we

00:33:00.100 would talk to her attorney uh general counsel from the goldwater institute john riches hello john

00:33:08.000 hey thanks so much for having me on so i can't believe this story it gets more and more bizarre

00:33:14.100 and completely out of control uh she she asked for some documents they first sent her documents said 1.00

00:33:21.980 she has to pay nine thousand dollars for them all almost entirely blacked out like it's a pentagon paper

00:33:28.260 right yeah i mean this is this is truly one of those this can't be true types of um cases yeah as

00:33:35.800 you said at first all she did was ask her superintendent what are you going to teach my

00:33:41.060 incoming kindergartner and is it going to include things like critical race theory instead of just

00:33:46.140 answering her questions they channeled her into this formal legal process where they stonewalled her 0.99

00:33:51.300 told her they were going to charge her thousands of dollars and then if that wasn't enough the nea 0.98

00:33:57.840 the national education association a 300 million dollar a year organization filed a lawsuit against

00:34:04.520 her simply for requesting these records it's just a astonishing assault on open government on parents 0.99

00:34:11.960 right to know what their kids are learning so this isn't john i don't know how you look at this um

00:34:17.880 because this is much much more than a lawsuit against us you know a a mom this is this is game

00:34:27.520 changing if this is allowed to stand right i i view it that way i mean look i mean just just on the

00:34:34.240 legal side this is nonsensical it turns the public records law in its head these laws were meant to

00:34:39.560 open government up they're meant to protect the public they're not meant to be used against the

00:34:44.700 public but yeah i mean this is this is a real brazen assault um on parents everywhere i mean in it i think

00:34:52.520 what it shows um glenn look at this group has so much money do they have nothing better to focus on

00:34:59.040 like maybe perhaps educating our students than harassing and intimidating parents it's a pure

00:35:04.640 harassment technique this union doesn't care about kids they don't care about the parents they care 0.97

00:35:10.380 about driving a radical political agenda so they're they're saying that they had to sue her

00:35:17.680 because of the sheer volume of requests and concerns about teacher privacy so they're saying

00:35:26.300 they're protecting the teacher's privacy well yeah i mean here's what's interesting about that

00:35:32.600 that's not the way the public records law works i mean typically what happens is a member of the

00:35:37.360 public will submit a records request and then the government entity in this case the school district

00:35:42.280 will review the request if there's anything in there that involves private information and by the way

00:35:47.120 she didn't request any private information she requested public information about public teaching

00:35:51.440 duties but if anything is in there that's included in an email string or something like that the

00:35:56.580 government entity redacts it takes it out and produces the records here you have a third party

00:36:02.840 that's not even part of the public records process coming in and saying no no i'm going to sue to stop

00:36:08.840 you records requester from getting public information if this is allowed to stand um it completely inverts

00:36:15.320 the presumption of transparency and the way public records processes work so you i mean this is the

00:36:21.920 kind of stuff you do for a living odds that this actually even makes it to court i i do not see this

00:36:29.840 uh getting very far in court i mean we are going to immediately um move to get this uh this uh

00:36:36.800 thrown out offensive case thrown out and then what how do we i mean how do we get access to our own

00:36:43.560 children's information if we're still pursuing uh so we have so we have sort of some parallel

00:36:50.140 options as well we're still pursuing the underlying records and we're going to get answers to nicole's

00:36:55.820 questions i mean she has a right to know what her daughters uh would be taught and and we're going to

00:37:01.040 find that out so you know we're going to do that through the public records law through the open

00:37:04.500 meetings law we're going to hold this district accountable and we're not going to stand for this

00:37:08.580 union uh special interest how how how i mean this is so pervasive now we have the cdc writing laws

00:37:18.700 about you know renters and landowners this is if that's allowed to stand the department of education

00:37:26.560 can write its own laws uh every administrative office can start to do that and it it doesn't seem to

00:37:35.600 be getting better uh the i mean how how convinced are you that our our courts are going to handle

00:37:42.520 these things the way they should well we spend a lot of time thinking about this problem glenn this

00:37:47.760 problem of the administrative state of unelected bureaucrats creating the law interpreting the law

00:37:53.360 enforcing the law look i don't know about you but when i was in high school civics i learned that we

00:37:58.040 got three branches of government the legislature creates the law the executive enforces it but when you

00:38:02.440 have things like the cdc creating rules investigating the rules enforcing alleged violations you have

00:38:09.040 one branch of government making all the decisions and that's not the way separation of powers works i

00:38:13.660 think there's all sorts of legal opportunities out there to challenge this this sort of overreach

00:38:19.000 many of these cases are moving moving through the process i think we have a very good u.s supreme court

00:38:24.300 that gets the problems of administrative law and i think there's going to be a lot of positive

00:38:30.560 developments in this area the optimistic side of me believes that this is an area that's that's very

00:38:34.780 ripe for reform we're talking to john riches he's general counsel for the goldwater institute that was

00:38:40.160 started uh by barry goldwater if i'm not mistaken uh trust that he started um and um and john you know

00:38:48.560 you say there's a lot of opportunity but are there the attorneys out there that are looking for this

00:38:55.940 fight i mean uh i've talked about it on the air before we had one of the best first amendment right

00:39:01.980 attorneys i've had him for 20 years they just dropped us because it will cause too many problems

00:39:08.560 with other clients that they have okay yeah i mean that is that is an unfortunate that is an

00:39:15.160 unfortunate case where that comes up frequently in in private practice look if we want to look on the

00:39:20.400 bright side of this glenn there there are an enormous amount of public interest groups so

00:39:25.780 private organizations like the goldwater institute like the institute for justice pacific legal foundation

00:39:31.300 you name it that have lawyers on staff that take cases uh specifically um dedicated to limited

00:39:39.120 government protecting individual liberties um i think that i think that that is a very positive

00:39:43.860 development but look we need more than that we need private sector lawyers willing to take

00:39:48.060 these cases on and not be afraid of the consequences to clients or whatever misperceived public

00:39:55.580 appearance issues they think might be might exist this kind of stuff where you're being sued by the nea 0.99

00:40:01.640 uh that scares regular parents then that makes them go i i don't want to get involved in all of this i i

00:40:08.180 just i just want to keep going what advice do you have well i mean that that is exactly why the nea did it

00:40:16.280 right it's the process is the punishment my advice and it's i think it's difficult but um it's to be

00:40:23.980 tough to stand up uh to ask questions we all deserve a right we all have a right to know what our parents

00:40:31.400 are going to learn we all have a right to know what our government is up to nicole uh solis our client is

00:40:37.100 an incredibly tough dedicated um person she's not going to take no for an answer she's going to keep the

00:40:43.820 fight going and it requires uh active actively engaged citizens like that to to get these sorts

00:40:49.680 of answers and to hold our government accountable john thank you very much john rich is general

00:40:54.220 counsel for the goldwater institute

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