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00:00:00.000 pretty judgmental on all this stuff am i yeah i mean you were all day you weren't even giving

00:00:06.260 you know hamas their fair shake well you know and i mean you didn't even address their side

00:00:12.220 of the issue what about the open-air prison you mentioned that well the open-air prison yeah

00:00:17.900 they called the gaza strip that they they walled it in really and they can yeah i don't i you know

00:00:24.680 i i don't think of it as a as an open-air prison but i mean you might okay um but i don't know i

00:00:31.200 have a problem with the uh beheading of a grandmother on facebook or the rape of children on social media

00:00:38.360 you know what did israel do to bring that up it's probably they're really are you know really yeah

00:00:43.880 i mean in the me too society you're gonna go on that one what did what did israel do to bring on the

00:00:50.120 mass rape and pillaging i'm auditioning for a role on msnbc okay all right i think i can get it

00:00:56.260 okay yeah i mean you're on the right track uh we have a lot we start with jack carr on today's

00:01:01.740 podcast of course the fiction writer number one bestseller um he's writing a book really kind of

00:01:08.900 about this right now it's his first non-fiction book um but he's also written other books that

00:01:15.720 kind of fall in line with him so we're gonna talk to him about what comes next we also talk about

00:01:22.500 the economy today and vivek ramaswamy on how does he view israel what would he do as president by the

00:01:30.960 way we have asked other presidential uh um candidates to come on the program and express express their point

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00:03:01.720 all right jack carr is the number one new york times best-selling author he is the author of the

00:03:12.080 terminal list series he is also a former navy seal and he's been digging into israel and hamas and the

00:03:19.220 middle east because he's researching a book that is coming out next year and so i wanted to give him

00:03:24.920 a chance to maybe share some of the things that he has learned to give us some perspective on

00:03:30.540 why now what what does this mean uh if iran is involved does that mean russia is involved what are

00:03:38.860 we headed for welcome jack how are you oh it's great to great to be here how are you doing sir i'm

00:03:44.900 very good i'm very good um i'm not even an enlisted man so i'm certainly i'm certainly not sir um so jack

00:03:53.360 the um israel thought they were duped they thought that hamas had been tamed some they cared about

00:04:03.260 you know making money and taking care of their people and hamas did a really good job in reading

00:04:09.560 some of the articles that are out now did a really good job of duping them into this um but

00:04:16.660 iran seems to be involved even though our president says there's no evidence of that

00:04:24.100 is there any evidence is i mean that makes total sense and what does that mean

00:04:29.760 oh yes there's a lot there's a lot to unpack here but really the israel that hamas has

00:04:34.520 iran was dealing with last week that's a different israel than they're dealing with

00:04:38.680 today most certainly and we talked about being being duped into something it was really a form of

00:04:44.580 quasi tolerance meaning that israel has tolerated a certain level of violence from hamas and they

00:04:51.420 thought that they could contain hamas they could live with that certain level of violence uh they

00:04:57.020 thought hamas was tolerable containable in gaza uh not today that has all changed over the weekend

00:05:04.120 the levels of violence perpetrated on israel is something that they have never seen before at

00:05:09.120 this uh it's these numbers grandmothers children women killed raped tortured uh and a friend in

00:05:17.280 israel who's with the special operations forces over there has been texting me throughout the weekend

00:05:22.080 and over the last couple days here and has said that what we're seeing in these videos that are coming

00:05:27.100 out are not even the half of it it is so much worse than what we're seeing and they're in the thick of it

00:05:33.980 right now so you know you you look at some of these things and you see that 900 israelis died

00:05:42.960 some of them were americans they died uh in horrific ways it was an execution squad really

00:05:50.920 uh and a kidnapping squad as we we watch these things um we have to understand the the population

00:06:00.780 is only nine million people over in israel so that's like uh casualties of 30 000 people being

00:06:09.040 tortured and raped and killed here in america this is a huge impact however the the way israel usually

00:06:16.520 deals with it i think what people don't understand is that it has changed normally they will go and

00:06:24.060 then as soon as they respond then the world starts to say oh you've got to stop the killing this is

00:06:29.960 horrible i don't think israel is going to stop this time i don't think so either and it's for the last

00:06:36.100 decade they've had this uh the same sort of policies towards gaza have remained in effect it's been

00:06:41.540 semi-working but uh i think that they're going to look at those policies realize those policies were a

00:06:48.860 failure all they did was set up hamas to do what they did over the weekend and of course there's a

00:06:54.380 few wild cards in there as well as well up in the north uh there's something between 100 000 and 150

00:07:00.380 000 rockets pointed right out there right at israel so if that was acceptable last week i don't think

00:07:06.660 that's going to be acceptable for much longer because soon that becomes 200 000 rockets 250 000 rockets

00:07:12.760 300 000 rockets eventually just buying time where there are enough forces to really

00:07:18.840 do some damage in israel so i think things have shifted across the board and hamas will look at

00:07:25.220 this as their most successful operation in history uh but and we think about pyrrhic victories uh what

00:07:32.080 this has done an opportunity is a horrible word to use here but that's really what it is for israel

00:07:38.040 to hit hamas so hard that it'll take them decades to recover now i don't think you can eliminate them

00:07:44.020 totally as we saw in iraq and afghanistan over 20 years of trying it with different factions there

00:07:50.200 in those two areas but uh they can certainly set them back decades so this is really i mean if you

00:07:58.420 look at some of the videos they were beheading people one with a garden hoe um this is the same

00:08:04.160 kind of stuff that we had from isis um what is the difference between those two if there is any and

00:08:11.440 where is the connection to iran well the difference is where they where they came from we talk about

00:08:18.360 tactics and terrorist tactics really what that means is focusing on those soft civilian targets not

00:08:25.120 focusing on military targets that's really what differentiates uh us from our enemy and why it's so

00:08:31.360 important to maintain that moral high ground but the the question is why now hamas and really by proxy

00:08:39.800 iran and possibly russia uh chose the time and the place of this engagement uh so that's the question

00:08:46.600 geopolitically why right now and the question obviously is because israel is so divided they have

00:08:51.720 some issues with their uh judicial and executive branch um and so they're divided probably like never

00:08:58.140 before u.s very weak the world hamas israel uh or iran russia sar withdrawal from afghanistan

00:09:05.860 see the billions of dollars going to the ukraine see the division here see our leader in the white

00:09:11.000 house so there's a lot on the table just just with those things and then we have this u.s israel

00:09:17.040 saudi arabia uh just on the brink of essentially it's like a trilateral type of agreement that deals with

00:09:24.600 oil increasing production decreasing price and a defense pact and what i think it really is i mean

00:09:31.460 that's what it is on the surface but i think what it really is and i have no insider information here

00:09:35.700 is that it includes uh defense by nuclear weapons so it would make and possibly making saudi arabia

00:09:43.500 the first nuclear power in the middle east aside from israel who doesn't talk about that sort of thing

00:09:49.660 because on the other side you have iran russia and china and china is iran's largest trading partner

00:09:55.240 two years ago they signed a 25 year strategic partnership so it is in china's interest and

00:10:01.860 russia's interest to have iran as the dominant nuclear power in the region um so so there's

00:10:08.040 those are the two sides right there u.s israel saudi arabia iran russia china but i think what this does

00:10:13.860 with the samas uh incursion does really is just delays possibly this agreement i think it's going to

00:10:20.440 happen uh it just delays it we'll see how by how long where would they be getting the nuke

00:10:26.060 uh from well from the united states yeah so and i and i after i talked about this last night on a

00:10:33.760 on a news hit and uh someone sent me an article from the times of israel in which netanyahu actually

00:10:40.300 uh says that that's a possibility on the table i didn't know that before but um so that it was kind

00:10:45.760 of nice to see that last night after i came off the air but really nuclear supremacy in the middle east

00:10:49.920 is what's on the table here so we don't we don't have a good relationship currently with the kingdom

00:10:55.220 of saudi arabia or do we oh it's i think it's uh it is you never know what you're looking from the

00:11:02.640 outside but uh what's practically and logically what's happening behind closed doors there is that

00:11:08.800 u.s israel saudi arabia are gonna gonna lead the way with this trilateral agreement to really change

00:11:13.200 the uh the face of the middle east going forward so um that that's that's on the table and of course

00:11:18.900 iran doesn't want that of course israel doesn't or sorry uh russia doesn't want that and of course

00:11:22.960 china doesn't want that because there's getting a lot of oil from iran if iran was behind this

00:11:28.220 is russia behind this i think we can be it's fairly safe to uh conclude that that is a uh very strong

00:11:38.480 possibility um and you can use hamas you can use hezbollah uh you can use these different proxy

00:11:44.980 terrorist organizations um and really manipulate them to get what you want as a uh as a larger

00:11:54.140 more established power so you almost well i was going to say you almost feel sorry uh that they're

00:12:00.400 being manipulated like that but that's uh that's the way of the world so jack as i've been thinking

00:12:06.820 about this i mean israel um is one of our strongest allies one of our best allies they're the most like

00:12:14.620 us in the middle east for sure um and the only ones that i think uh you know would fight on the right

00:12:22.180 side um the other side is is barbaric and evil um i think um and and you know i i hate to abandon

00:12:34.380 israel but i also hate to get roped in to a war with russia and iran and possibly do the things they

00:12:43.080 want us to do because i i think and you'd know better than i i think they're doing to us what we

00:12:49.300 did to the former soviet union we're bankrupting them we're dividing them from the inside we're we're

00:12:56.220 roping them into wars uh and everybody knows we're on the the brink of of destruction here

00:13:04.560 what should we do to help the israelis because i also feel strongly we need to help them

00:13:12.340 right and i don't think that those uh and i agree with your assessment um but the division

00:13:19.080 seems to be coming they don't need to do too much to divide us a little prod here a little comment

00:13:24.000 there but we're doing a pretty good of dividing ourselves and defending ourselves from the inside

00:13:28.240 which is uh absolutely heartbreaking um so we obviously brettan accords at the end of world

00:13:34.460 war ii uh we surprised the world by saying we were going to essentially uh defend trade routes around

00:13:39.940 the world that was going to be a benefit for uh for all countries coming out of uh the second world

00:13:44.900 war uh and we just moved a carrier battle group into into the med to send a very strong issue to iran

00:13:51.100 so while our administration says that uh there's no evidence linking iran to these attacks we did

00:13:56.460 move a carrier battle group into the med uh to send a pretty clear message to iran um and in support

00:14:02.740 of israel um so so that's something right there but we do move carrier battle groups around the world

00:14:08.540 quite frequently obviously from the end of world war two up to today is our major uh way we project

00:14:13.920 our strength and really keep the world safe and and uh protect trade uh it's worked up to this point

00:14:19.920 but now we're kind of retreating from that we don't have as many ships as we used to have uh china is

00:14:25.300 obviously building up their navy so uh so things are shifting geopolitically in the world and as far

00:14:31.080 as the military powers go no doubt about that how long will it take not exactly sure but there is a

00:14:36.660 shift going on right now um so what else can we do to support israel i'm not sure they're going to need

00:14:41.880 too much from us um meaning we put a carrier battle group right there if things do escalate and

00:14:47.320 and hezbollah does more in the north um and something spills over into iran than uh than

00:14:53.760 perhaps but gloves are off right now israel restraint is out the window they have been very

00:15:00.200 they've restrained themselves over the last at least decade um towards hamas even towards hezbollah

00:15:05.600 that restraint is now completely out the window um and hamas really has thought and other terrorist

00:15:11.980 groups insurgent groups thought of israel as a let's say an occupying nation a colonial nation

00:15:18.500 for lack of a better term and they looked to the past they looked to the french in algeria they looked

00:15:23.000 to the british in kenya or india but the difference is and for some reason hamas and other groups don't

00:15:29.800 recognize this uh the french had france to go back to the british had britain to go back to uh israel

00:15:38.240 doesn't have anywhere to go they're going to stand and fight they have no other choice in fact their

00:15:43.440 president president herzog and his entity uh addressed the nation in the wake of the attack

00:15:47.600 he concluded his remarks with something along the lines of this time too the state of israel

00:15:52.580 will win we have no other choice so the white house we're talking to jack carr said the president

00:16:00.180 will struggle to help israel replenish stockpiles of weapons and ammunition

00:16:04.940 as it gears up for full scare war against the iranian-backed terrorists in the region

00:16:09.640 congressional official told the wall street journal that they expect israel to request advanced u.s

00:16:15.640 produced gbu-39 small diameter bombs small arms ammunition and 122 millimeter tank rounds mortars and

00:16:24.580 more the official said being able to supply israel with enough tamir interceptors to replenish their iron

00:16:30.760 dome was most worrisome and the biggest problem the administration will face how how how prepared are

00:16:40.080 we or are we just giving everything away yeah that's a great question and one that our enemies are

00:16:47.100 certainly asking um and and certainly watching they're seeing untold billions go to ukraine uh along

00:16:54.420 with with arms and uh and other places around the world of course as well which begs the question

00:16:59.840 how uh how able are we to defend ourselves in a one front war a two front war um a three front and

00:17:08.380 the the answer to that if you're looking from the outside is that we're probably not as prepared as we

00:17:13.180 were a decade ago two decades ago uh even three when we really um uh draw down at the end of the the

00:17:20.960 cold drew down at the end of the the cold war um so the the other side of this though is that we have

00:17:27.140 experience at the tactical level we've proven at the strategic level not to be so adept uh with

00:17:34.580 senior level military leaders politicians uh even uh bureaucrats but at the tactical level we have the

00:17:42.460 most experienced force that we've ever had because that tactical level those e2s e3s e4s e5s e6s e7s

00:17:50.880 uh those officers that are now majors and lieutenant colonels they were once a brand new officers in

00:17:57.940 oh one oh two oh three fighting in iraq fighting in afghanistan and they're coming up the ranks uh they

00:18:04.600 don't have as much to work with but they have experience um so that's what we have and that's

00:18:11.000 something that we need to capitalize on but uh experience without some of those tools uh it makes

00:18:17.740 things a little more difficult so it is certainly something that uh we need to be aware of that the

00:18:22.460 next administration needs to be aware of and if you want to capitalize on this experience not let it go

00:18:27.880 to waste if you want to turn those lessons that we learned over the last 20 years into wisdom

00:18:32.480 going forward well now we need to equip those soldiers sailors airmen and marines that have that

00:18:38.880 experience that sacrifice so much with the tools they need to defend the nation jack car thank you so

00:18:46.520 much when's your new book come out well next may is uh it's on the books right now but my first

00:18:51.240 non-fiction which is actually has a hezbollah connection but it's uh called targeted it's my

00:18:55.560 first non-fiction 1983 marine barracks bombing wow is coming out next fall so uh two books in the

00:19:01.380 works for 2024 great thank you jack i appreciate it thanks so much take care you bet jack car

00:19:07.120 this is the best of the glenn beck program vivek welcome good morning doing well so i you know me i

00:19:19.760 will i mean i'll ask you the tough question so let me start with the toughest question here it's all

00:19:24.460 downhill from here um you are uh hindu by upbringing i think you're still hindu um you you personally

00:19:36.200 were you went to school in a catholic school uh so you understand judeo-christian values and the

00:19:43.500 meaning of the west however um you're first generation and you are not that do you understand

00:19:52.380 truly understand the importance of israel the role it plays in the judeo-christian world

00:20:00.820 and all of the prophecies go ahead of course glenn yes and i have you know having gone to catholic

00:20:08.800 schools but also read the bible perhaps more closely than even many of my jewish and christian

00:20:14.100 friends alike understand the special importance of israel i have been to the holy sites in jerusalem

00:20:21.260 some of my first business partners have been in israel some of my closest relationships

00:20:25.720 are and have been in israel and one of the reasons why glenn is that israelis and i get along really

00:20:31.820 well as we share something in common we're very candid for anybody who knows israel or israelis

00:20:37.720 there are candid people and so am i glenn as you and i know each other too that's the basis for

00:20:43.980 true friendship so no i don't recite gop talking points handed down from super packs in a binder

00:20:50.040 and read chapter and verse i am candid and i think that's why our relationship with israel

00:20:56.000 will be stronger by the end of my first term than it ever has been because it will be based on honesty

00:21:02.740 and true friendship not reciting slogans or transactional relationship and i do think that

00:21:08.880 that informs where my views are right now versus some of the histrionics you're seeing from other

00:21:13.980 candidates hysterically shouting finish them finish them without any iota of description

00:21:19.980 of what that means from the likes of nikki haley or others i think we now have to take a level

00:21:24.920 headed approach to how we support israel in being able to engage in its own self-defense

00:21:31.480 while also diplomatically leading the way here to avoid a broader all-out regional war in the middle

00:21:38.300 east that's the responsibility of the u.s commander-in-chief to look after u.s interests so

00:21:42.680 let's let's let's go there because uh i for one don't ever want to hear the words two-state solution

00:21:50.820 ever again if you believe in a two-state solution you're a moron they do not want a solution they

00:21:58.560 want a final solution and that is very clear so and not only are you a moron now glenn you were a moron

00:22:06.300 if you thought that at the time of the oslo accords which were a disaster then as they are now the biden

00:22:12.040 administration repeatedly granting legitimacy to the palestinian authority mahmoud abbas in the

00:22:17.620 18th year of a four-year term now hamas revealing itself to be a modern version of al-qaeda maybe

00:22:23.080 closer to isis absolutely this has been jargon that needs to leave the lexicon forget a two-state

00:22:29.080 solution i agree with that so what do you do because nobody wants the palestinians oh they all cry a good

00:22:36.140 cry but you go to every single arab state and none of them will take a single refugee so what do you do

00:22:44.100 if you're israel and what do you do as president of the united states well that's the second question

00:22:50.000 that i'm more focused on the first question is that's an israeli decision glenn that's a tough

00:22:55.380 question israel for a long time has had reluctance to take responsibility for gazans as well and that's

00:23:02.100 tough choice and bb is going to have to lead the way and i think it's the job of the u.s to support

00:23:07.760 israel in the decision that it makes in its own national self-determination i am running for

00:23:14.220 president of the united states though and i think that the job of the u.s president he has a moral

00:23:19.040 obligation to look after what advances u.s interests and so what i would be doing as u.s president

00:23:24.640 is offering israel every bit of intelligence support we can every bit of diplomatic support we can

00:23:31.300 that includes telling the u.n that there will be consequences of our participation in the u.n

00:23:36.900 if the u.n continues its historical pattern of drawing this false equivalence between israel and

00:23:42.240 the terrorists who target it i think it's a lot of people don't know this glenn we don't even have

00:23:46.020 an american ambassador to israel right now we have to immediately confirm an ambassador to israel as

00:23:51.720 well as other vacant positions in egypt in lebanon and kuwait i think in oman we're even vacant now

00:23:57.440 that's basic things that we can do as the u.s diplomatically and otherwise deport anybody who's

00:24:03.400 a resident alien legally or illegally in this country who has served with hamas who has served

00:24:08.200 in other similar terrorist organizations extradite them to israeli custody this is the kind of thing

00:24:13.720 that the u.s needs to be doing leading diplomatically while allowing israel to engage in its defense of

00:24:20.580 its own national existence which israel has the right to do while at the same time keeping in

00:24:27.500 mind that an all-out war in the middle east involving god forbid u.s troops or whatever that

00:24:33.500 should be off the table and i think that we should lead diplomatically to prevent us from getting there

00:24:38.740 that's the kind of cool-headed response that we need and i'm disappointed glenn and many other

00:24:44.060 republicans who are just knee-jerk reacting in you know i think it was it's unbecoming of the likes of

00:24:50.460 nikki haley to equate this with an attack on the u.s this was a dastardly attack on israel itself

00:24:57.300 that's bad enough and we need to be able to see that for what it is and respond forcefully and

00:25:03.080 accordingly but to go histrionic on this and escalate possibly to a broader regional war in the

00:25:09.480 middle east when that does not advance our national interest that's not the job of the u.s president the

00:25:14.980 job of the u.s president is to lead in a way that advances american interests and israel is our ally so

00:25:19.880 we will stand with them but we have to have a thoughtful response that avoids a misstep in these

00:25:26.480 early days that could have drastic consequences as we have learned from mistakes this foreign policy

00:25:31.840 establishment has made from iraq to afghanistan over the last 25 years and that will not happen on my

00:25:37.820 watch all right so did do you have a problem with her saying this is israel's 9-11 no i think this is

00:25:44.560 israel's 9-11 i think that this is absolutely a this is a major issue in israel but one of the things

00:25:50.280 that one of the lessons we have to learn is that you know what osama bin laden was probably laughing

00:25:56.800 and smiling in his grave as a friend of mine said yesterday when the u.s made a disastrous response

00:26:03.400 to 9-11 by entering places like iraq in wars that did not advance american interests and so i would

00:26:09.420 encourage israel and i would as the u.s commander in chief lead us the same way to have the right

00:26:13.920 response to deal with the conflict at hand to make sure israel comes out with its national identity and

00:26:20.740 national borders fully intact and is protected to the fullest but without being drawn into a broader

00:26:28.700 regional war in the middle east which does not advance anyone's interests including american

00:26:33.220 interests and these are difficult times it's easy for someone today to look back and criticize the

00:26:38.060 iraq war i criticized it then i criticize it now but that's now a popular idea but the harder part is

00:26:44.040 to learn that lesson in the present and make sure that you don't make the mistake in the heat of the

00:26:49.340 moment do the same thing so fortitude standing with israel absolutely but diplomatically leading the

00:26:55.400 way to make sure that we don't enmesh ourselves in another ground war in the middle east that also

00:26:59.500 has to be a top priority of the u.s president and i will lead accordingly let me just see if i

00:27:05.280 understand um you're saying don't go into iran that's right i do not think we should not us i

00:27:14.320 not us where the u.s israel well i think that's israel's decision so i think it's israel's decision i think

00:27:19.700 we have to be very careful glenn and we have to respect decisions that israel makes to defend its

00:27:26.420 own national boundaries and its own national existence that is israel's right to do and we

00:27:32.960 have to diplomatically support them first of all in regaining control of their own lost territories

00:27:38.120 second of all whatever they decide to do with hamas and gaza that's been a fraught question in

00:27:43.140 israel that's israel's decision to make and it is our job as a friend of israel to support them in it

00:27:48.820 but i think that we also have to be clear-eyed about i'm saying right now what other gop candidates

00:27:54.760 when asked have refused to do i think we have to take the idea of u.s ground troops involved in a

00:28:00.520 war in iran off the table that much i think we have to be clear about and also we have to be clear about

00:28:06.200 leading diplomatically in a way that yes supports israel but avoids broader all-out conflict in the

00:28:13.440 middle east i'll give you a very specific example of what that means we should end nuclear

00:28:18.320 proliferation including the phase-out of iran's nuclear program absolutely but the biden administration's

00:28:24.620 disastrous discussion to begin sharing nuclear technology with saudi arabia that needs to end

00:28:30.740 too and so these are things that other people aren't talking about but i think it is the job

00:28:34.780 of a judicious cool-headed president of the united states to look after our interests in making sure

00:28:41.280 that we avoid full-scale all-out regional war in the middle east we've had that in the past and that's

00:28:46.340 not good for us and it's not good for the world but at the same time we have to be unwavering in

00:28:52.380 our support for the decisions that israel makes to defend its own national homeland as it has the full

00:28:58.380 right to do against these barbaric and medieval attacks on israel do you believe russia at least

00:29:07.440 gave permission for this i mean we know that hamas is run by iran iran is now in a very tight relationship

00:29:16.500 with russia is do you believe this is any kind of trying to pull us all into a new world war

00:29:24.780 i don't think that painting russia as the boogeyman here is credible even though vladimir zelinski is

00:29:31.760 trying to do it because that's in his self-interest to chain gang the u.s into the ukraine war versus

00:29:37.240 russia the reality i think is a little bit different in the relationship between the ukraine situation

00:29:41.820 and israel take a look at earlier this year when the u.s was called on to have israel send artillery

00:29:50.300 from israel to ukraine well now that looks like a pretty boneheaded decision in reverse

00:29:56.400 the u.s is running low on our own stockpiles so we're going to have to make the choices about

00:30:01.620 ukraine versus israel versus other parts of the world nobody glenn in the race certainly is talking

00:30:07.660 about what's happening in azerbaijan and armenia there is going to get to good and evil that is

00:30:13.420 wrong what is happening in armenia to a bunch of christians who have been displaced to the tune of

00:30:18.320 hundred hundred twenty thousand in a semi-autonomous region that azerbaijan invaded but you don't hear a

00:30:23.440 peep about that why because azerbaijan and ukraine have special lobbies in washington dc and that's

00:30:30.900 how the wheels turn in dc today whichever special interest lobbies get the win they're the ones that

00:30:36.420 shape the narrative so it will take an outsider like me a leader from a different generation who

00:30:42.020 isn't captured by the super PACs to be able to speak this truth in the open talked about it with

00:30:47.460 tucker yesterday but i'm the only republican candidate glenn who's seemingly able to offer

00:30:52.560 what i think is a clear-headed rational response to on one hand strongly stand behind israel's ability

00:30:59.300 to defend itself as it should as it has the right to but with a level-headedness that says that we

00:31:05.920 still have to look after american interests in not seeing full-scale war either in the middle east

00:31:11.400 or in the ukraine situation being chain ganged into a war that i in ukraine believe does not advance

00:31:17.580 national interest getting us closer to major conflict with a nuclear power by the way one of

00:31:23.880 the lessons from the israel conflict is when we're vulnerable right here at home that was a gaping

00:31:30.000 intelligence failure and military defense failure in israel and u.s intelligence is partly to blame

00:31:35.280 for that too we have to understand what the heck went wrong there now that's not a question for later

00:31:41.920 that is a question for right now everybody else seems to think it's a question for later

00:31:46.000 if the black box of a recovered crashed plane is recovered you don't hand it over to the people

00:31:51.280 and the airliner who flew that plane somebody else has to look at that and figure out what exactly

00:31:56.340 happened before we make even poorer decisions and i think if there's one positive reminder for the

00:32:01.940 united states it's that if that can happen to israel it can happen right here at home where we are

00:32:07.580 badly vulnerable i can't imagine um hamas doing what they've already done but now they're saying

00:32:14.420 they're going to execute people on social media if israel continues to go in israel is not going to

00:32:23.340 stop um we haven't heard from the president uh really at all on this subject he's supposed to speak

00:32:30.480 sometime before nappy nap uh and uh tell us i guess what his plan is what would your plan be

00:32:37.980 vivek ramaswamy if you were president to deal with the hostages so look as u.s president a part of the

00:32:46.080 america first agenda to me glenn is it includes all americans no american left behind so we will

00:32:52.980 prioritize getting those american hostages out of there and the limited circumstance in which we would

00:32:59.480 use u.s resources directly to do it is to recover our own hostages if that's what's actually necessary

00:33:05.780 special forces or otherwise for american hostages that's what the america first agenda is all about

00:33:11.680 the u.s president needs to look after the interests of americans but broadly speaking the other way we

00:33:17.680 advance american interests here is let israel make the decision that needs to make to defend its own

00:33:22.000 borders while avoiding full-scale all-out war in the middle east and i think there's not enough times i can

00:33:28.140 say that at a time like this when people have made our worst decisions in our foreign policy disasters

00:33:33.620 in history it's as a knee-jerk reaction to something legitimately bad that was done by a terrorist on

00:33:39.980 the other side this is especially the moment to be really clear about our principles for why we're

00:33:45.380 doing what we're doing and so that's how i would lead okay we have 90 seconds left and i want to talk

00:33:49.560 to you about the number of people that have been arrested on the fbi's terror watch list we have

00:33:55.740 about 250 of them 275 of them that we have caught since the beginning of the biden administration

00:34:04.740 that's not the ones we didn't catch are you worried at all about these possible terrorist uh cells that

00:34:14.540 are here coming across from our our border and how would you solve that i'm very worried about it glenn i

00:34:21.380 think it's a real concern just a few days ago i was at the northern border where nobody else has

00:34:26.560 actually visited and that is wide open to call that porous as an understatement that's where the

00:34:31.400 next frontier is going a brazilian ex-military murderer has come in through you know who caught

00:34:36.200 northern new hampshire and otherwise this is a great risk so seal the border use our military to do

00:34:41.020 it but for the people who are already here i would fast track the deportation of anybody who's in this

00:34:47.320 country who has served or been affiliated with hamas or the palestinian islamic jihad or otherwise

00:34:52.120 including extradition to israeli custody where that's appropriate in light of this in light of

00:34:57.840 this crisis and for the rest of them get them the heck out and put them through our own justice system

00:35:02.980 bringing the highest penalties of the highest order while sealing our border that is how we actually

00:35:08.660 drive this change and the best border policy of all is stop making it so easy to get into this country

00:35:14.580 by abuse of our asylum laws it's going to take a president with the spine to lead that way but

00:35:19.960 the good news glenn is that this is a solvable problem the country that put a man on the moon

00:35:24.900 yes this is a logistically solvable problem this is just a question of political will and i do think

00:35:30.720 it will take somebody with a spine as an outsider understanding that we are in the middle of this

00:35:36.620 dangerous approach to war right here on our home turf to be able to put that to an end

00:35:42.120 thank you very much if you want to find out more about him it's spelled vivek v-i-v-e-k but it said

00:35:48.560 it's pronounced vivek 2024.com by the way we have invited desantis as well as trump and others to come

00:35:58.700 on the program and do the very same thing we hope to have them by the end of the week the best of the

00:36:04.400 glenn beck program carol roth how are you um well i am angry i am disturbed i am devastated i feel like

00:36:15.240 somebody has punched me in the gut and in the heart and i'm having a very hard time wrapping my head

00:36:23.000 around what i thought was supposed to be humanity so that's how i am glenn it is almost word for word

00:36:30.000 what my daughter said to me last night she said i there are no good people dad and i said yes there

00:36:36.300 are you just don't see them all the time um but it is i i just don't can i ask you i know you're

00:36:46.960 you're more of an economic person but what do you think is coming carol i mean it's very difficult

00:36:54.440 um to sort of wrap your head around what is coming i mean this is obviously a conflict

00:36:59.840 that has gone on for so long and there are um actors that are behind the scenes big countries

00:37:08.340 like iran that feel emboldened because we have weak leadership in the u.s that decided that they were

00:37:15.940 going to ease up on sanctions and you know send them back six billion dollars on 9-11 and whatnot and

00:37:22.640 they feel emboldened that they can cause chaos and terror not just in israel but around the world

00:37:30.320 i'm very concerned that because we have seen people cheering on terrorism cheering on the beheading of

00:37:40.140 babies the raping of children the the killing of the elderly that anybody is who is inclined to

00:37:49.660 think that way that has maybe been hiding in the shadows is going oh we're going to be celebrated

00:37:55.820 now if we do these kinds of things and so the spillover effect um i don't think that this is just

00:38:04.560 you know limited to what's happening in the middle east i'm very very worried and nervous about what

00:38:10.540 that means around the world not just for the jewish people but for everybody you were seeing the same

00:38:16.760 kind of thing happening in azerbaijan yeah uh where they're liquidating people and by the way we've

00:38:24.420 not revealed this before and i'm not going to get any details but just so you know uh the nazarene fund

00:38:31.280 is there to help get people out of that area and uh there were lots of calls and i think we're meeting

00:38:39.660 today on uh what we can do and help in uh israel for some people that are trapped and uh need to get

00:38:47.980 out um so let's talk about the condition of america as we look at a possible global war i mean that's what

00:39:00.400 iran wants i mean this is the moment i've talked about for years at some point in not necessarily

00:39:07.180 coordinated but i do believe this is probably coordinated um our enemies will all see us we can go

00:39:15.160 now now now uh and what's happening to us is what we did to the former soviet union

00:39:21.460 yeah i mean it's true and this is something that we've been talking about is that you're not just

00:39:28.660 having the weakness um from a you know a quote unquote leadership standpoint but the weakness

00:39:35.700 in our financial position the weakness in our balance sheet um you know i i think there is

00:39:42.160 a desire to see if we can get drawn into more conflicts and to frankly bankrupt us and we cannot

00:39:51.640 afford to do that i mean we we have basically an emerging market in crisis balance sheet we have

00:40:00.640 a balance sheet where debt to gdp as you were saying at the top of the segment is uh back up

00:40:05.800 again above 120 percent the only reason we haven't had a currency crisis is because we have the world

00:40:12.900 reserve currency but as you see the alignment of these different nations that are all hoping

00:40:20.020 that we go in the other direction uh i don't think it's coincidental you know one thing that i have

00:40:26.340 not heard in the media that i've been very keyed into is as we have you know talked about in the past

00:40:32.000 is we had that bricks meeting that uh you know that group of emerging nations that was brazil russia

00:40:39.520 india china and south africa and that was in august we were expecting them to come out potentially

00:40:46.620 with the new currency but what they did instead is they expanded their membership and if you remember

00:40:53.200 that three of the key names that they added were saudi arabia iran and the uae and bringing them

00:41:03.000 into that fold with those the group of people who are trying to get rid of the dollar of the

00:41:08.880 reserve currency trying to see the u.s weakened on all fronts um you know militarily and economically

00:41:16.600 this is not a coincidence in timing august is the same time that it's been reported that there

00:41:23.700 was a planning between iran and these militant terrorist groups so the fact that that's when

00:41:29.880 this invitation was extended and now they're part of this alliance i don't think enough people are

00:41:35.260 paying attention to that fact can i can i bring up something that i don't know if i understand and

00:41:43.260 we're gonna get wonky here for a second but believe me this this is really important to understand

00:41:49.240 sure um there is i read an article last week you know the idea of raising interest rates is to pull back

00:41:59.380 the money that has been printed and the money that they pull back is called the m2 money supply that's

00:42:07.300 the money that you have in your pocket that's the money that you have in your savings account uh the

00:42:13.300 money that you have in your banking account that you write checks with it's the the closest thing to

00:42:20.100 cash that you can get it's not just in your house it's it's also somewhat in your banks um and that number

00:42:27.720 is was way way uh inflated and that's when everybody was saying oh american people have more money than

00:42:35.440 they've ever had before we look at that number now and that number has crashed and that should bring

00:42:44.060 inflation down but we're seeing something we're seeing inflation not going down we're seeing it still

00:42:53.640 going up even though the money supply has crashed this hasn't happened since the great depression

00:42:58.460 what does this mean so i i've been arguing with my um monetarist friends about this um you know they

00:43:07.200 always say that uh and this came up from milton friedman again we're getting super wonky here that

00:43:11.840 inflation is purely uh a function of the the money supply and there were a number of different things

00:43:19.040 though that happened all at the same time so yes we did have 15 years of this incredible inflation of

00:43:25.420 the money supply you know first that went to wall street that inflated asset prices then it came to

00:43:32.160 individuals in the form of uh direct stimulus and that's really when we saw inflation you know go

00:43:39.420 crazy uh but there are other things that have been in play here too right there's been supply demand

00:43:46.720 balances that have been caused uh starting with the covid shutdowns and then kind of continuing on the

00:43:52.740 back of a lot of bad policy but you know we have issues around energy right the energy policy of the

00:43:59.540 biden administration uh we have issues around labor not enough labor uh in the labor market we have a

00:44:06.440 housing imbalance you know we had supply chain issues so all of those issues also factor in to the you

00:44:15.100 know the inflationary scenario that we are seeing and yes you know we have seen the fed pull back some of the

00:44:22.120 money and and have um you know had that kind of come off of the the their balance sheet in some regard

00:44:29.340 but there's still a lot of money out there and also just because somebody doesn't have it in you know it's

00:44:35.460 considered m2 that yet sort of cash available equivalent doesn't mean that they haven't you know kind of put

00:44:41.840 that somewhere else so you know all of these factors i know monetarists are going no no it's just money in the

00:44:48.660 velocity of money but i think we have to look at the unusual picture that we're in and that's part of

00:44:55.460 what is is accounting for this ongoing inflation so we i just saw that the federal reserve today

00:45:02.000 in dallas is saying that we don't have to refill the strategic oil reserve

00:45:06.880 no i mean we're on the brink of world war three why would we want to have a strategic oil reserve

00:45:14.140 especially when the middle of the conflict is the middle east that makes absolutely no sense glenn i

00:45:19.320 mean the things that come out of these people's mouths again these are the same people who told

00:45:24.060 us that there would be no inflation and that inflation would be transitory and and whatnot

00:45:27.880 but that's the whole point that's why having a stunt like releasing uh oil from the strategic

00:45:35.380 reserve was so dangerous because it puts us in this depleted position and we are in a historically

00:45:42.720 depleted position that we haven't seen in quite some time on the brink of potentially you know a

00:45:49.340 conflict that could spill over from the middle east we need that for those types of emergency

00:45:56.180 situations not for a political stunt not to save biden from his disastrous policies and people should be up

00:46:05.740 in arms about this and unfortunately there are so many things to be up in arms about and people are

00:46:11.420 struggling just to get by with the daily cost of living that would that they just don't know what

00:46:16.420 to do i think everybody is exhausted and beaten down by everything that's happened so you told me a

00:46:23.000 while back uh how much it costs if we just add one point of interest to the money that we have borrowed

00:46:31.060 yeah i don't know how many points we have added to that um but we may be adding more

00:46:36.300 have we reissued any of that debt or is any of that coming up to be reissued now it is um and you

00:46:44.780 were talking earlier about you know why it is that we're adding so much debt and there are a number of

00:46:50.900 things that have gone on um since we had that debt ceiling fight and they you know remove the debt

00:46:57.220 ceiling temporarily or whatever you want to call it but there are a few things i think people need to

00:47:01.760 understand one is that there is a sort of think of it as a checking account for the government

00:47:07.620 their operating account it's called the tga the treasury general fund um and that was something

00:47:14.240 that because they were trying to move things around and they couldn't write checks because they had

00:47:18.520 reached the debt ceiling needed to be refilled so at that point for the the stub period of the year

00:47:24.700 deutsch bank estimated that about 1.3 trillion dollars in additional debt needed to be issued just to fill

00:47:31.560 that back up and then obviously we have a massive deficit that needs to be funded on an ongoing

00:47:37.240 basis and then as you said in terms of what needs to be refinanced about 7.6 trillion dollars just under

00:47:47.260 a third of our outstanding debt needs to be refinanced uh within the next 12 months and that's

00:47:55.480 that that i think you know has rates probably with a one handle on them um so yeah that's hundreds of

00:48:04.560 basis points difference which is as several percentage points every 100 basis points is one

00:48:10.680 percent so we're talking you know several percentage points that they're going to need to be refinancing

00:48:16.320 it these geniuses uh at treasury for some reason didn't take advantage of these low low rates and lock

00:48:22.620 them in for you know 30 years or whatnot so now we have uh you know a third of the debt that's going

00:48:28.500 to need to be financed at these much higher rates adding hundreds of billions of dollars um of

00:48:34.800 additional interest expense and here's what what happens let me teach you a new phrase that a lot of you

00:48:41.160 guys probably haven't heard who are listening it's something called fiscal dominance and fiscal

00:48:47.260 dominance is sort of what it sounds like it's when the fiscal policy comes to dominate the monetary

00:48:53.480 policy which in sort of any time is somewhat neutral but in our particular case we have the monetary policy

00:49:00.960 is trying to kill inflation well what's happening with fiscal policy is because they're running these

00:49:07.140 huge deficits that need to be financed they have to finance that put in more debt and that is driving

00:49:14.800 interest rates up and that means that every piece of new debt or any refinancing we do is at higher

00:49:21.640 interest rates and then that goes back and increases the deficit and then what do they have to do they

00:49:27.280 have to issue more debt and that it increases interest rates so you get this this spiral this loop

00:49:31.880 and that could in and of itself be part of an issue that sustains inflation long term and so that's what

00:49:40.040 many economists are worried about right now is this fiscal dominance this possible debt spiral

00:49:45.300 because the other thing that's very unusual glenn is that the level of deficits that we have

00:49:51.420 it's historically like unheard of that you would have these types of deficits at a point in time when the

00:49:58.960 economy is still quote unquote expanding we're not growing at a huge rate but we're not in a recession

00:50:04.920 usually this would be uh the type of deficit you would run when things were really really bad and

00:50:10.160 and the economy was contracting so the fact that they're continuing to spend at these levels and

00:50:16.400 then we have to finance that when they're still taking in massive tax receipts and we still have

00:50:21.860 expansion again historically unheard of and not historical in a good way

00:50:26.760 la-na-na-naia-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-naaa

The Glenn Beck Program - October 10, 2023

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Carol Roth & Vivek Ramaswamy ｜ 10⧸10⧸23

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