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Ben Shapiro joins us to talk about the 2020 Democratic National Convention, and why he thinks Donald Trump is not what people have been told he is. Plus, we talk about how he thinks the media misjudged Donald Trump and why they should apologize to his children.
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what you think of the uh convention and the speech last night loved the speech last night yeah loved
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it and you know as soon as soon as i was watching on fox last night for the first time and as soon
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as the speech ended uh chris wallace and others started tearing him apart because i guess it wasn't
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loud enough for them or it wasn't rallying i was glad i was glad i liked his tone yeah when the
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audience they did it once they're like whoa i was like oh stop that right stop that and i think this
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was a a definite outreach to independence he's already got the base secure oh my gosh okay so let's
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show that the independence that they've got a comfortable place where you know you're he's not
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insane he's he's not out of control he's not what you think he is he's not what you've been told he
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is that's for darn sure yeah and i think he accomplished that really well last night so i felt
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really i was watching i felt really guilty really guilty about one thing in particular um you know i have
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no problem speaking out about the president's uh policies and i have no problem saying in you know
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2016 i don't think he's going to do any of those things um because i didn't think he would he had no
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record of of actually believing any of these things um and uh i said it and i said at the time if i'm wrong
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i'll admit it and i have admitted that long ago as he started to fulfill those promises um i was shocked
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by a lot of them um and but last night all i could think of was when he called me when my dad died
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said he called me because he had heard my dad died because we had to leave the hotel i was staying at a
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trump hotel and um he talked to me about my dad and and i hung up the phone and i said he is running
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for president and i attributed the entire phone call to politics and in watching this week
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i i think he is i mean i think he does not care about what he says about people in person i mean you
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know on stage or whatever he was he will call you anything and say anything he does not care
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but i think he is publicly like that and i i have i am afraid i have misjudged him i think privately
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you know the thing with alice johnson all of the stories that came out this week
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from people who were not political they didn't know donald trump i think one of the most important
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things about the two conventions was one you had a guy in office for 47 years who now says he's going
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to do these things and they had a bunch of people say look i've known him for a long time and he's
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going to do those things okay and they're asking you on biden trust me trust me i know him the people
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that were speaking out about donald trump were the exact opposite i didn't know him i don't really know
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him but look at what he did um and i think there's it just rang true to me and i felt so bad
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about what i said how i said things in 2016 um and i've been feeling this way for a couple of days
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during this convention uh and i just feel like i i need to apologize to his children um because i
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can't imagine i mean i just had donald trump jr on with us and i can't imagine he acted like we were
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old friends i can't imagine they didn't have several conversations about me at the dinner table
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on some of the things that i said uh and i really regret it because i i do think publicly
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twitter and everything else i think the guy is out of control and doesn't care doesn't care enjoys it
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but i think privately he's a different guy because his children love him and i don't believe like
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for example ivanka is a psychopath and how is it ivanka loves him and all of his children love him
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as much as they do if he's a psychopath in real life he's not no he's not i don't think we ever
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said he was a psychopath no no i know but people think he is because he just doesn't seem like he
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cares yeah you know he'll say anything and it looks like he doesn't care i don't think that's
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said anything wrong during the campaign frankly we disagreed with him on policy mostly uh and because
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he you know i judge his track record was not one of a conservative and if i would have left it at
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if i would have left it at politics i think i would have been fine because i've already said i was wrong
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and i said i would say i was wrong um but i i um really went after his character and he can be
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targeted with his character um and i think that's fair but i went after his character um personally
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and i think i was really wrong on the level of i think when it's personal and he's involved one in
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one one on one he does care oh i think he does care yeah yeah and i that's definitely the messaging
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i think that they wanted to get through yeah and it did and it worked and because it didn't it felt
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real you know none of this felt staged or phony or not at all you know none of it seemed like okay
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we're reaching out to the black people again it didn't feel that no because it was all it was black
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people who were saying look at i love this guy right and this guy is going to take us to the next level
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the democrats haven't yeah and like he said last night i've done more for blacks in three years than
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joe biden's done in 47 yeah and it's true by a lot it is true it is i mean when you saw i i didn't know
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about the you know the funding of the you know the the black colleges i didn't i just didn't know all
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of the things did you watch it from the beginning good list of stuff it was speech no no no the whole
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convention last night uh most of it i fell asleep at one point all right so i started watching it from
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the beginning and i was just watching the raw ap feed uh and so i didn't hear any of the commentary
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and i saw everything that was on stage they opened up with a couple of people um both african americans
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one was like look i grew up in really a bad section of town i never even thought about a republican
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um and he now works for the president and and was so full of joy it was an amazing uh testimony
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then this woman in houston who said two years ago i was homeless yeah did you see that yes
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was that powerful very powerful and the way she ended it and saying look don't let anyone tell
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you you can't do it yeah i'm i'm closing on a new house at the end of the month yeah i mean it was
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great it was because of one of his programs right and the other thing i thought was great was that
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montage they did of actual people who have changed from democrat to republican yeah and especially the
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democratic socialist oh my god said she's gonna vote for trump this time that was powerful too and the
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skinny white kid with the big you know holes in his ears yeah he is yeah he would not be pegged as a
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republican no ever and he was like you know i would never voted for a republican but i was living in my
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apartment i think in new york and he said uh you know i was talking to this neighbor who is black and i
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said you know what do you do or whatever and she said i'm in the system and he said i just realized
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everything that i thought i was for traps people it just traps them you know it was uh did you guys
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see the richard grinnell uh thing yes yeah i think it was last night yeah or excuse me two nights ago
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yeah uh where he was basically making the case as donald trump is the most pro-gay rights president
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uh yeah ever uh and it's interesting and we've been talking about that since the beginning he's always
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been kind of uh friendly uh to to gay rights i think and the only one to ever be elected in favor of gay
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marriage yeah but it was a power it wasn't like they're reaching out to these groups and like
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they're not all consistent you know like this bashing of the 1994 crime bill which is a very
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very standard thing now that republicans are doing was something wildly supported by republicans at
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the time uh you know being tough on crime law it was a law and order bill and now at the same time
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he's making this case for law and order he's also kind of making the case against the crime bill
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because biden voted for it it's an interesting thing to try to pull off i think the same thing goes
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with with you know they did it with gay voters i thought very well when you outline everything
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that he uh has done and has supported over the years there's a very important uh i think successful
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outreach to gay voters who would not normally consider a republican well i think you can talk
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about it because you are the gay character on the show i'm like a character right this was the most
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important part that you mentioned to me but you know i think the thing is is the the most important
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thing is is that i don't know anybody who had a part a problem with any of that stuff i don't know
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a single conservative that this was the true representation of the republican party anybody
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say hey richard grinnell shouldn't be speaking he's gay no nobody said that the interesting dynamic as a
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party just as an observer here right is that all the things that he was that grinnell was hitting
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biden on were things overwhelmingly supported by republicans at the time so but here they were
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overwhelmed like they were saying like oh well he was really uh you know joe biden was really late
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to gay marriage okay so wait a minute there's a difference i understand that as an outreach
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political tactic it isn't interest look the parties are it's different i think you're missing something
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what you're missing is we weren't talking about gay marriage last night this this convention was not
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about policies it was about the human and american heart we can disagree on policies but we don't hate
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each other yeah and that's one thing i think the bar has been set low for trump because of how evil
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he's treated in the media all the time he's the worst guy ever he's a racist he hates gays he hates
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jews he hates everybody so just showing that the guy legitimately cares about people and and has empathy
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for people and has treated people nicely and has people like richard grinnell who he's supposedly
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supposed to hate who he's been elevated to roles never achieved by any gay person in history in the
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united states at least out outwardly right um that is an important message i think to get out to people
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yeah you know there was no way you could walk away if you watch this convention and listened
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there is no way you could walk away and say that is a racist guy a racist party a gay bashing gay
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hating you know uh homosexual uh xenophobic party there's no there's no way you could walk away unless you
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just didn't believe it which by the way a lot of people you know you watch the mainstream media reaction
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to it and it's just so predictable you know they they were bringing out like you know look yes he says
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this this this and this but but but look i mean even big reporters were doing it after this i think
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that particularly the one with grinnell for whatever reason really got under the skin of reporters who
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don't want to lose you know they don't want to lose that ground they don't want to lose the we're the pro
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gay party crowd um they don't want to lose the we we're the only ones that african americans are allowed
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to vote for those sorts of things are really offensive really really under the skin of not just the
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democrats but the media in general they knew it and that's why they did it oh yeah and they did
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that's one of the reasons they did it politically effective i think i i love some of the little
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shots the little poke them with pickle forks things that uh trump did during the speech last night that
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you know drove them out of their minds oh yeah out of their minds you know one of the things that
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drove them out of their minds and i just i have no problem as a historian you know of i hate to say
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that because i know how the press would react to that but i read a lot of history i've i've you know
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i go to original documents etc etc so as a quasi historian i was i'm bothered by the precedence
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of the backdrop being the white house this was the first time and i hope it's the last time
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if it was not the era of the pandemic i would have i would have been screaming bloody murder because
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i don't like that however with that being said remember this was his third choice as a backdrop
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yep this is not his first this was his third democratic city said no not here can't have that
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social all that so he's like okay i'll do it from where i'm living uh you know it was not his first
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choice it wasn't but then he accentuated it last night just to get under their skin how many times
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did he point to the white house to show that he's there the time that it was like you talk about a
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pickle fork it was a giant pickle that he took when he took that fork out and said you know what they
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said this but hey look where i live yeah i mean it was it was really good
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you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program
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clarence henderson civil rights activist 1960s woolworth lunch counter sit-in amazing guy and
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uh i just love him and it's an honor to have you on the phone again clarence how are you
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good morning glenn long time no see i know i know i have been thinking about you a lot lately
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um before the gop convention because you actually were part of these protests in the 60s that mattered
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and i know at the time there was a real a lot of people were angry with martin luther king because
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he said peace you know we are going to be peaceful take the beating and there were a lot of people that
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didn't want to do that they wanted to fight back um and look where we are now i mean this is malcolm x
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if you're if we're lucky what's happening on the street but it's not usually black people it seems
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to be a bunch of white people saying it they're for black people well you know it's amazing uh glenn
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because we need to understand that violence begets violence and uh we have a people are talking about
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systemic racism we have systemic corruption going on in this country and we need to realize and
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recognize what's going on this uh with all of our imperfections we are the greatest country in the
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world the light that shines on the hill and i'm hoping that people will reckon with that and find
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their place in america where they can be successful and help us as a society to be uh that uh place that
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people can feel like they can come to and have the opportunity that america offers and so what they're
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doing now is that they're taking away it's not that it's not to tear down it's to build up even if it's
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buildings or relationships or whatever we're in the words of dr king unless we learn to live together
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brothers we'll perish together it's food and i am very concerned that people are caught up in these
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movements and they don't know what kind of movement it is there for me there are two kinds of movements
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one is the agenda driven movement where we're being oppressed back to king george the third and then
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there's the uh press book driven movement where we're continually defending our freedom such as your radio
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show you're continuing to do in there and you get ostracized for it but you continue to go on and we have to do
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those kinds of things and to stand up for what is right for ourselves and for our children and grandchildren
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that's coming up behind us so clarence um how do you what would you say to democrats that are listening
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to and i think they know it in their heart who are listening to the press and to the political leaders
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saying these are peaceful protests some of them may have been during the day at the beginning i think
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there were lots of them um but they degenerated and it's it's not even it's i don't think this has
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anything to do with black people any anymore this is all about revolution and anarchy what do you say
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to break through to those people that are it is and and what we have to realize is that we are a country
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of laws uh we have chosen to allow ourselves to be governed by the rule of law and not the rule of man
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and so therefore when these situations come up we have a judicial system a court system where we
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bring these things to the forefront and uh let it be decided in a court system not uh and the judicial
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court system and not the court of public opinion and where we become mob rule and becomes dangerous
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for everybody uh if we're not careful you have people riding around uh everybody saying i have to
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take the law into myself because nobody's going to help me for example when you talk about the police
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uh uh if they're not there then what happens especially in your urban communities where i've
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lived i lived in uh new york uh back in the 60s uh in holland and uh even at that time when it's
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different than now you know one of the things that people would do when something came up what do you do
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you call the police because you got people in this country right now that are apprehensive about coming
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out of their own house they're not bothering anybody they're not want to participate in
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any protests anything like that they just want to be left alone but these people here are jumping on
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old folks whoever gets in their way i was just in uh i'm still in dc right now and i was at the
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uh president's acceptance speech and i saw uh i didn't see it but i ran paul they were all around him
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we went in a different direction so we had just got through with having uh acceptance speech not
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bothering anybody but all of a sudden they want to come in these people want to come in and destroy
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all these things that we've worked for in this country and it's time it has to stop at this point
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and i fault the uh powers that be that are not doing anything about it because when when it turns
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into violence then we there's an order we have to stop that and peaceful protests are one thing
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but when you uh change it over to violence then uh it has something has to change and so i am
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continuing going across america talking about what we need to do to because to unite ourselves and not
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divide ourselves what's the biggest thing we need to do clarence what is the i mean you lived at a time
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where when you stepped up to that that uh lunch counter in greensboro what were the possibilities
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of what was going to happen to you did you think at the time the possibilities was i could have come out
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there in a uh vertical position uh going to jail and handcuffs i could have come out of there in a
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prone position uh going to the hospital to the morgue and i reflected back on it and that uh the movie is
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uh braveheart which says every man dies and not every man lives and so the solution for me is that
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this thing has to be done by we the people and not they the government we cannot continue to allow
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allow 535 people to tell 320 million plus people what they should or should not do it is based on we
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uh when thomas jensen said that america is an idea in the minds of men people really don't know what
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that meant he said that america should always go by the choices that we make and it should be done at
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the polls of the election let us decide what kind of country we want to live in and we have all these
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things that people vote for and then we have some elected official or somebody that's appointed
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that wants to come in and change it but for example the definition of marriage uh in north carolina
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66 percent of the voters decided it would be based on traditional marriage but some judge i think was
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up in ashville ashville but it was a case brought before him and he decided it should not be that and
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so we're in this quagmine where we're in right now so it's we the people have to come back and
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uh start to have meetings and some of the people are sitting in office right now in the democratic
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party for example which is so far removed from reality they must be removed and who even is
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if it's somebody in the republican party the same thing they need to be voted out and have people
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come in and understand for example i'll take a guy like yourself non-political but you know what's
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going on in america you would it would be served better by a person like myself or you that really
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has a handle on what's going on in america and really go and serve the people so we got to find
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those kind of people to vote into our uh uh elected system and run and uh uh serve this country
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uh and we have to do a better job of vetting our uh politicians before they get an office
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because politicians are a dime a dozen but leaders are prices that's what donald trump is for me he's
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roughly human man but he gets things done and i feel as though we saw the side of donald trump that
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nobody wants us to see that side that actually privately i mean he can say a lot of things on
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twitter and say a lot of things in speeches but he obviously cares um and obviously uh has made
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i mean the alice johnson thing i mean it the things that he's doing you don't do uh unless you actually
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care you know the way he's handled these things and i thought the gop convention uh showed the
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republicans or the conservatives uh for who they really are through actions you know there was
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this was a unbelievable outreach to the african-american community and it wasn't pandering
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did you feel there was any pandering to anybody at at any time in this convention no i had a check i
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i gave you an example i had a chance last night to beat vernon johnson uh the guy that's a democrat
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out of georgia that spoke and said he was going to vote for donald trump uh tremendous guy that his
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eyes have opened up to see what the the party is doing because uh i was a democrat long and i've been
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a republican but when my eyes were opened up then i knew the direction i needed to go in so it was
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total sincere to that people caring about each other wanting to get something done it was such a peaceful
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situation going on there last night people were standing up cheering it looked like america and i
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did brought me back to what america is like this this week has shown all all people that saw it on tv
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i saw it wherever have seen what america looks like and what this country it has been founded on people
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striving to become successful people looking for the opportunity that america offers to see you see
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the glenn there is a formula for success in america but most people are concentrating on
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looking at somebody else comparing rather than competing yeah and the formula is a free market
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capitalistic system of which uh a lot of democrats have used and now they're talking about socialism
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you got uh uh uh bernard sanders how do you use money i mean through the free market capitalistic
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system but he's espousing uh socialism which leads to communism and that's that's not the way that
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this country works i am so glad to talk to you every time we get a chance to talk um it has been too
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long clarence thank you so much are you quite welcome glenn and look i look forward to next time
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we meet you got it god bless clarence henderson civil rights activist the guy in the prominently in
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the woolworth lunch counter sit in the pictures that we all grew up with
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you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program
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his name is curtis hauck he's the managing editor of newsbusters and i didn't know that he was at 828
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until just about uh five minutes ago curtis welcome to the program how are you
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good to be with you glenn again yeah it is an honor and uh yeah 18 year old curtis
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would be uh absolutely floored uh if uh 10 years later to the day here we are it's amazing how did
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that affect you well i i mean it was just a culmination of you know watching you and reading
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you for so many years a lot of the things you know about the founders and really what the left
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has been trying to instill in so many other americans and trying to do to remake this country
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uh i learned from watching and reading you and so being able to go to an event like that and be with
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you know hundreds of thousands of like-minded conservatives and not even conservatives people
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who just love this country and care about the constitution uh being able to go with my dad
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and some of his friends and uh how cool i mean it just meant the world to me well curtis thank you
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very much um uh thanks for going and thanks for remembering it it's um it's it me it's meaningful
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all right at newsbusters you have been watching the meltdowns of the mainstream media so we want to go
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over the uh the rnc convention uh and just get some highlights from you on uh how bad was the meltdown
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and what do you think it was the best meltdown from the uh from the mainstream media well first i'll say
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that i think going back to what you've been talking about this morning which is what a contrast it this
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has allowed us you know really between the dnc the media saying this was biden's finest hour he was
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like a preacher at the pulpit he was optimistic holding a fireside chat whereas in contrast donald trump
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had no hope no hope uh it was dark and filled with darkness he had harsh attacks it was more of the same
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uh and he just wants to quote own the libs uh i mean it was really just absolutely incredible
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but my biggest meltdown was actually from before the whole speech happened msnbc last night
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you know over the course of two hours leading up to the speech we're actually saying the president
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quote doesn't care if people quote get killed or sick from the coronavirus by attending this event
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um i mean it's just i often tell my colleagues about how the media just empty their thesauruses
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trying to figure figure figure out like how how they can like melt down and describe what they're
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seeing but really this week they definitely earned it they're getting those pages are well loved
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do you think curtis that there is a an awakening beyond the uh conservatives and republicans that there is
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an awakening on the press especially over the last two weeks of like oh my god i mean you're in an
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alice in wonderland world right and especially because of the fact that the news media are saying
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what's going on outside on america's streets is not happening right uh they're saying that they're
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mocking the president for saying that there's anarchy in the streets you know you have you know going
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back to yeah looking at ferguson what was going on you know this goes to the cnn chyron uh hopefully
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people saw the fiery but mostly peaceful protests right going on they had to do something they had
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to do something this is the third time there has been burning cars in the background and they're
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talking about a peaceful protest so this time they just while they're talking about peaceful protest
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they just put in the chyron fiery but mostly peaceful i mean i mean this is like not the onion not
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the babylon b on overdrive like i mean it it is one of those things that you can this can't be real
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oh yes it's real i saw a great babylon b uh story came out last night that uh babylon b just bought
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their biggest competitor uh cnn exactly okay so let me go to the hypocrisy um your favorite hypocrisy
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moment over an rnc speech yeah i and i took a big look at the week and one of my colleagues over at
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newsbusters has been crunching the numbers about how much time msnbc has been refusing to carry the
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speech um really after the news media in totality carried about 90 of the dnc uh so let's the first
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night they skipped 33 minutes uh night 237 minutes night three uh you know with the vice president 50
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minutes uh and we're looking to 50 minutes and we're looking to be well over that uh cross probably
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closer to an hour at least uh for tonight once we finish the numbers today and they they just skipped
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it entirely talked over it correct they talked over it and i think going back to one of your other
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points from earlier this morning about stories and speakers that humanize the president you know
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tara meyers talking about her uh son with down syndrome you know caleb mueller's family uh chinese
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activist chen going chung he all of those speeches were not carried by msnbc and it's very intentional
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you know with the media sometimes they're kind of uh they stumble into their ways but you know in a lot
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of these instances they know exactly what they're doing this isn't a case of ignorance with the news media
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especially uh this past week so how is america going to react to this did do you think enough people
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that were independent uh or you know democrat by by record but are kind of sick of this do you do you
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think enough people saw the real message because the real message is most of them did not come from
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the politicians it came from the real people yeah i think that's such a great point and it's people from
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all over the country that spoke you really um it covered you know tennessee minnesota everywhere in
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between uh and then yeah the news media and i absolutely think it is because you're seeing it in
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the polling you know so you talked about you know black lives matters uh support just cratering uh you
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have seen it admitting that this is showing up in polling you seeing the governor of oregon saying
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oh the violence is bad oh my gosh we totally condemn all this uh and now we're people are
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waking up this morning to see that a u.s senator and his wife uh required a barricade of police officers
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in their bikes to get them to safety um it's like what happened in the 1960s you know people
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turned on their televisions and saw what was going on to peaceful protesters uh that were marching and
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sitting at lunch counters uh and they're seeing what's going on in these cities and they're seeing
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the emotion of these people that have lost everything and over on the other side you have
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a news media that's kind of saying well they have insurance you know yeah uh i mean it's just
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it's because it's not it's not happening to them that there's just no empathy they talk about the
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president not having empathy oh yeah uh i mean it is an alinskyite you know strategy of projecting onto
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your opponents kind of where you are yeah curtis hauck uh managing editor of newsbusters uh what a
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great uh what a great day to talk to you curtis um on the anniversary of 828 thank you so much